The Truth About The Milestar Patagonia MT.

[@DirtLifestyle]

Hey folks! I want to add some context in the interest of clarity. As far as big offroad tires are concerned, these are what I've used in the past. 39" irocs, 40" pro comp MT2s, 40" maxxis razrs, 39" BFG red labels, 39" bfg KM3s, 37" bfg KM3s, 39" KO2s and these 38" Milestar Patagonias. Most of the other tires I have ran were 36" and smaller, like my super swamper boggers, TSLs, wild county's, kumos ATs, Procomp ATs, and a couple sets of good year ats. I even ran the original BFG mt for a year in 2006 and a couple other no name MTs before that. My thoughts on these Milestars are flavored by my experience with these multiple brands and like you, I ran many of these for years. The only blow outs I had in the last 18 or so years of wheeling was the TSLs and these Patagonia Black labels. I treat all these tires with the same amount of abuse and run low tire pressure on everything. But these reviews don't come from a place of thinking I'm an expert. I get asked questions about my tires everyday so I'm simply sharing my honest experience to answer some of your questions. I hope you enjoy these videos! Tires are definitely one of the most important parts of an offroad rig so choose wisely and do lots of research!

[@christopherhowell2050]

You have a good run with tires but I’d like to know your thoughts on the TOYO mud terrain tires.

[@thechrismbify]

non black label 35s, blew a hole in a sidewall. guess I touched a rock under the mud spinning the tire at a whopping 15 mph. the sidewall is mind blowing thin. I’m not worried about it in the rocks, it’s when you need the wheel speed in the mud if it touches anything it’s game over. I’m very interested to try the mt 02 and see if it holds up.

[@DrHavok1]

def the tire I can't wait to get ahold of myself is the Maxxis trepador one of these days I will own either a 37 or 40 in them and I can't get enough of seeing people use them and want to know more about them. I don't live in WA anymore I live in Missouri about 40 minutes away from flat nasty orv park so I will have plenty of wheeling opportunities coming up after I finish my zj build

[@davidanderson3999]

I have ran tel 42” swampers probably my favorite tire on 79 Ramcharger, just swapped out my Patagonia for At. , no bead lockers for me, to be fair the Patagonia were not 15” wide like my swamper were, but like swampers both are loud on highway,

[@johnmcwade222]

We use Pro Comp Xtreme M/T, currently 35” and it is a amazing tire in all conditions, mud, snow, sand, rock, dirt, highway. We use them all year around here in Ontario, Canada. We have 38,000 kms on them with no issues, also the wear on them, they still look new. Would like to see your review on them.

[@JohnDoe-ud2cc]

The selling point of these tires was the price. They used to be great performing tires at a cheap price. Fast forward to 2022 and now they are the same price or more than name brand tires like BFG. My next set of tires coming up will not be Patagonias again. 3 years ago my Patagonia’s were like $800 for a set of 37s, now they are like $1800. So at that price my next set of tires will probably be BFG or cooper.

[@timking2194]

I agree they lost there price advantage for a tire that only gets 25,000 miles

[@Firebird-ru7je]

@@timking2194 my buddy bought a set of 31s for his yota for 500 2 years ago, went to go get a new set- 1400, so he spent the extra 600 and got some 37"mts and rims

[@fordracing19]

Same. I've had 35s, 38s, and just jumped to a 42 and went Nitto.

[@vanillagorilla911]

I also purchased the Pats for the price. I got five 35s for $900. I'll be replacing them soon, and an identical set will cost me nearly $1500. Add another hundred or two and I'll have BFGs that will last far longer that the 20-25k I will get with these. No reason to use the Pats at their current price point.

[@1uniqueguy]

I had Milestar Patagonia M/T 35’s for two years no issues. Now I have a set of 38’s for about 6 months. They have preformed great. My rig is only used for wheeling and I wheel pretty hard. But the tires do get some gnarly chunks taken out of them pretty easily. But it hasn’t caused any sidewall issues thus far.

[@ft4dt]

Hey Y'all - I've been wheeling in the southwest, I live in AZ, for just over 20 years. Many different vehicles over all those years. Suzuki Samurai, Hummer H3, Jeep XJ, Jeep JKU and now a Jeep JLU Rubicon Diesel. Over all those years, many different brands of tires. Mickey Thompson, Pro Comp, Goodyear, Generic Budget selection and Patagonia's. Many different sizes, from 33, 35, 37 and now 40. Over all that time I've never had a sidewall blowout until the Patagonia's. Mine were the standard variety MT01. After nearly 10 months of trail use a couple times each month, my first sidewall ripped wide open. It was replaced under road hazard warranty. However; over the next month I had two more rip open just the same. I do air down to 12 psi each time I hit the trail. So it isn't just the Black Label that had the issue. And I'm sure it isn't going to affect everyone. The trails of the southwest are quite rocky with many sharp edges just waiting to jump out and grab at your tires. I've since went back to Pro Comp Xtreme M/T 2 (2nd favorite tire) as the Mickey Thompson Baja Boss wasn't available at the time in the 40's I wanted. Many months into these tires on many AZ trails and the sidewall aren't showing any signs of damage from the trail. The Patagonia's looked exactly like the rock had been ripping at them. I loved the Patagonia's for all the reasons everyone else loves them. They had always gripped great and the on road ride was incredible as well. And at the time, the price was super low. I'll be spending just a bit more moving forward on either Mickey Thompsons or Pro Comps. Weak sidewalls are not an option here. Good luck with the replacements! -Greg

[@jasonwernli422]

I am on the pit crew for a 4800 Ultra4 KOH car. We run these in 37". We have had 1 flat in 3 years of racing KOH. I guess any tire can have issues, but KOH is brutal, and we have had great success!

[@advapp]

I've never ran them but all my friends have because of the price. They've had the regular and the black labels and have had blowouts on the side and in one trip we had multiple blowouts on fairly new tires. They will never run those tires ever again. I was on the Rubicon with a brand new set on my vehicle and passed a guy who just put on a brand new set and had a sidewall go out on a 40. I had a pair of Nittos 40s that had 30% tread life left and if you look at them they're sliced and diced chunks missing never had one leak never had one blow out. I've also ran Coopers, BFGs and never had these issues. I think it all comes down to this- there's only so much rubber and technology you can put in that price point. One thing I will say is they are excellent in the snow because they fold over so easy you can run crazy low pressures however I would never run them I want to be able to rely on my tires not have to worry all the time about cutting a sidewall or having extreme blowout on the freeway.

[@daveisnothere]

It is so nice to actually see a YT'er that has tires bulging from properly being aired down. Wheels are only a little too narrow for that size tire, which I'll explain below. As a near 20 year tire industry vet and having 40 years of off-roading, I have not been impressed with these tires just from what I've seen on YT videos. I've seen some 'user errors' as well which contribute to some of the problems with tires but mostly the Pats dont impress me. Most of my viewing was Matt's Offroad Recovery, but have seen others running them as well. First thought when you were sticking your hand in the sidewall cut was OMG, that sidewall is weak. I looked them up and the Black Label's are 6 or 8 ply and they have 3 ply sidewalls. Well, one thing I used to tell people when BFG first came out with 3-ply sidewalls back in the day, "Those 3 plies are way thinner individually than the 2 plies on other brands, if not the tire would ride really rough, it still needs to flex". That may be the case here, esp since you could bend that sidewall with your hands so easily. MIchelin has had thin sidewalls for as long as I can remember, they are also 2 ply like the other brands, but not as thick. Now if you were able to rip that sidewall with that little air, I would say there is an issue with the construction of the sidewalls. I've literally rubbed my sidewalls on 33x12-50 Wild Country's on so many rocks, some pretty sharp and never cut a sidewall. But at 3-4 psi the sidewall just moves out of the way. One little known fact I've been preaching for more than 30 years and almost no one has known, and almost as many get argumentative about is the relationship between tire width and wheel width. The reason people get argumentative is the tire manufacturers misinform people in their specs on pretty much every offroad tire made. I looked up the Black Label's and their 13.50 width tires, they say can be mounted on 8.5 to 11 inch wide wheels. This is where they are setting people up for poor handling and premature/irregular wear. The general rule of thumb is you take the section width of the tire, subtract 2.5 and that is how wide of a wheel the optimal size is for that tire. Example, 10.50's live happiest on an 8 inch wheel, 13.50's should be put on an 11 inch wheel. This also works out to tread width=wheel width if you cant do math. So if you have that 13.50 tire on an 8 or 10 inch wide wheel, you are shooting yourself in the foot. There are many things that happen if you run a tire on a wheel that is too narrow. First, the handing is not going to be as good due to the cross section of the tire. Traction and wear will be sub-par due to the tread tending to "dome".. not be flat across like radial tires are designed to be (Look at tires on a Corvette). Air pressure will need to be artificially low to counter the warped tread-face which will effect handing even more. I was about to give Matt a hard time about not airing down because his tires never really bulge out like they should while aired down, another symptom of improper wheel width, the tire is stressed to the point the sidewalls cant flex like they should, this can also contribute to sidewall punctures due to the sidewall being taut. On the other hand a wheel that is too wide can cause irregular wear and means you need to run the air pressure artificially high so the center of the tread will make full pressure contact with the road. Traction then suffers due to a smaller contact patch front to rear on the tread. Even after showing people solid proof of this I still got a lot of people saying, "Well BFG says I can run this 33x12.50 on an 8" wheel". Personally, I believe BFG just wanted people to buy their tires and if they had to replace them early, oh well.. more profit.

[@demented_cycles]

I had them on my daily driver 2010 Avalanche. They were 285/70/17s with e load rating. I used my truck for work while I was a utility locator for a pipeline company around Houston so I was off-road literally everyday. I never had sidewall issues but my two complaints would be tread life and mud traction. I went through a set of tires every 12-18 months and had much better luck with my Toyo Open Country MTs, although they were twice the price

[@cobra12398]

......So the question would be with them , as a daily driver, ...."is what type of yearly (annual") mileage were you getting" ? I ask because out west, 'heat checking' is a real problem Ran BFG AT's and never got more than 45,000 due to sidewall cracking. This made them to unsafe for highway use. The tread was getting marginal, but they did last about 3 years a set. As a price point, if I can get 25,000 out of a set, them i think i am ahead.

[@warrzone910]

I have a set of 285/70/17 that I originally put on my sequoia for a month long road trip from NC all the way to CA so they seen some pretty different conditions along the way. Half of the trip was mainly on the highway, the other half was spent in dry desert conditions to snow covered mountain ranges. All of this was done pulling a 7,000lb trailer most of the time so of course I got stuck and had to be pulled out of different situations but this wasn’t due to the performance of the tires but more or less that I was pulling a heavy trailer off the beating path lol. When I got back home I threw them on my Rebel that I use strictly for landscaping work and pulling trailer to see how they would hold up. Needless to say, the tread life has been horrible but again I am using them outside of their intended purpose.

[@demented_cycles]

@@cobra12398 sorry for the late reply. I think I got 25-30k miles out of the set

[@dunnoyolo2238]

Have had 2 sets of Milestar Patagonia MT's on 2 Diesel Trucks and have been great . Now i will try the Milestar XT on a 4 Runner

[@maccook1692]

I've had my non black labels down to 7psi on snow/ice and I could creep down a slope that everyone else slid down. So I'm a big believer of these in the snow!

[@egx3713]

As much as people may hate on the bfg ko2s or km3s, those sidewalls are crazy tough. I would recommend those tires!

[@MrRmga420]

I have a set of 5 Milestar Patagonias on my 2011 Lexus GX 460. It’s a full time four wheel drive SUV. I love these tires for what I use them for. I’ve had them in a little bit of snow, some mud, and allot of rocks, dirt, and sand. This is my wife’s daily driver. These tires give me confidence for my family to get where they need to go no matter the road surface. I have noticed as the miles rack up, they’ve gotten a little louder on the Highway. I also have some of the sidewall lugs that have chunked off from off-roading. But overall these are a solid tire. I also do 5 tire rotations every 10k miles to keep them wearing evenly.

[@mikemorgan4670]

Informative video. I am partial to BFG myself, never had an issue with them. Hope you are feeling better Nate. Good to have you back!

[@TreeLovinAdventures]

We run Patagonias and they have been an amazing snowtire. Before we bought them we heard a lot of bad snow reviews but after running them for 2 winters, they are by far our favorite snowtire for deep West snow. We got down to 2 psi with no beadlocks a few weeks ago. Zero issues, and our little 35s had to drive around and pull out a truggy on 40s with swampers.

[@swampdonkeyoffgrid190]

Running d rated standard pats for three years, have a solid year and a half offroad on the sharp rocks of arizona, no beadlocks, 15PSI, zero issues. Love the tires on and off road. Like most would love to be able to get more miles out of them but understand the trade off.

[@jumpersclerk9705]

Do a review on the cooper SST pros. They are also a lighter tire. I always worry about the sidewalls on lighter tires, but I love to keep the weight off of my rig too.

[@justingalvan4050]

My favorite MT so far. I work in the tire industry and have the chance to try out different tires and they tend to be lighter than everything else like you said and for how aggressive they are they actually drive great and grabbed everything for me in different vehicles for different terrain.

[@BigBluePile]

@@justingalvan4050 that's good to hear! I'm switching to these since the GY MTRs I was running are trash now and still have half their tread still!

[@DirtLifestyle]

These are definitely on the list! Hopefully I can get my hands on a set 👍

[@justingalvan4050]

@@DirtLifestyle let me know if you need any help with that 👍🏽

[@jaredyoung6519]

I had bought these tires in a 37/13.50/20 for my 2015 Sierra just because I’ve heard of the sniper performance and they handle like a dream on the highway very low noise never had any issues at all got about 43,000 miles out of them! So I bought a set for my daughters ZJ and 31 1050 She Drives mostly highway and wheels on the weekends and so far you can’t even tell if they’re wearing! My my daughter even hit a pothole the size of her jeep at 35 miles an hour didn’t hurt the tires at all but it ripped a lower control arm off the jeep!Love these tires! I was a big fan of the BFG KO2 for years but they just don’t wear very well so I switched to the Patagonia‘s

[@quintili1]

I've had two sets of their regular mud terrains with no issues at all. That's interesting to hear the issues with the black labels. I would love to see you test out some MT Baja Boss Mt's, I think those will be my next tire.

[@rlaracue]

I have the Baja Boss MTs in 37x12.5x17. Love them so far. Great off-road and the on-road noise is fine. 34 PSI seems to be a sweet spot in terms of pressure. Even 32 psi if you want a smooth ride on the road and over highway seams. All that said I would like to see a review of them going through lots of different terrain.

[@Thexkidd]

I’m just about to put a set on.

[@robbennett]

I have the mtbb AT and love them

[@michaelwebb8788]

I run the MT MTz in 35x12.5 and I love them as well. I have done snow, mud, sand and rock with them and am almost embarrassed to admit I have never aired them down. They did great at full pressure.

[@surfstarcc1]

Big fan of Mickey Thompson rubbers!! Currently running a set of 37/13.5/r22 Baja ATZs and they are by far my new favorite tire. I've run most of them, Toyo, BFG, Nitto, maxxis...

[@anthonymercuri1115]

Few buddies of mine run them, but all of them have experienced pretty fast wear, and chopping

[@iamblaineful]

I run their 37 x 12.5 non-black series. I run them on a JT diesel, usually loaded pretty heavy, with a big lift. It isn't my daily, it's my trail and get stuff done at our property rig. We spend most of our time wheeling in the Sierra Nevadas including the Rubicon, as that is where we live close to. I tow trailers(open cargo type) with it and wheel it a lot. We have 10k miles on those tires, from AZ to Death Valley, to the Rubicon. Never had an issue. It is the tire of choice for Jeepers local to the Rubicon, almost all of us run them, never seen this happen on the regular non-black series, and only once on a black series, but it was like yours, rim to tread tear in the sidewall. I rub the sides of mine on sharp rocks, tree stumps, etc....without any worry. We wheel at 12PSI in most places.

[@davecamilleri9411]

I have been selling tires for over 35 years and wheeling them. I have not had the opportunity to sell or wheel a set of Patagonia M/T's so I won't give praise or anything negative about them. Other than that, there aren't a lot of tires that I haven't run and on my 97 TJ I run Mickey Thompson MTZ's and they have proven to be a very good tire for me. Now, I am old school and only running 35's, but with 15 inch wheels I am limited. Mud performance and snow performance are my main interests and the MTZ's excel. I liked your comment on different snow conditions, I am in Northern Wyoming and our winter snow is super dry and like sugar and very tough to get on top of. Sometimes the only solution is chains on all 4 and other times 3-4 psi will get it done. I also run tracks on an atv in the winter and when the snow it super dry I have buried the atv and spent a bit of time shoveling out. Keep up the good work.

[@mitchellanderson7369]

Unique experience from me, I had the 35 Patagonia mudder on my rig for about 18 months, using it as my daily and wheeling it hard on the weekends. I then deployed to iraq for 7 months, and came back. Continued to use them the same way, but got a tear in the side wall 2 or 3 trips into getting back, got a hole big enough to put a couple fingers into right on the tread face, and got bubbles happening all over the side of another 2 tires. With 4 of my 5 out of commission, I moved to the km3, and have loved those since.

[@anthonygendron9737]

On my Gladiator I started out with 37” Toyo Open Country MT’s and they are amazing but really heavy. So heavy that a bought 37” Patagonia’s MT’s and they are so much lighter that I kept them on till they wore out and have done well on all surfaces. The only issues is they only last about 25,000 miles. Now I have the 37” Patagonia A/T for daily use and switch back to the Toyo for off-road use.

[@mattbrew11]

How are the patagonia ATs in rain? How they wearing so far? I run 39” KM3s on my DJT with sport fenders & 4” rustys lift as much as I love them if I can get away with a 37 AT without it looking too tiny and save the expensive tires for off road trips its probably smart financially

[@JCPaintGuy]

@@mattbrew11 I ran through two sets of Patagonia A/T’s and got 65,000+ out of each set. They did amazing in the rain and the little bit of snow we get here in Middle Tennessee each winter. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy them again for any truck or SUV.

[@anthonygendron9737]

So far the A/T’s are great in the rain and snow. They are much lighter and super quiet. The only down side is they look a little funny with my 4” lift in a 37”. The fuel savings is worth it in the end.

[@ajfarson]

I have run Patagonia M/T tires on my Bronco (33x12.5x15) for three years and absolutely love them. I wheel in snow, mud, sand, and in the rocks around Reno/Tahoe and the Eastern Sierras. They have never let me down. The M/T tires impressed me enough to purchase a set of their A/T R all-terrain tires (315/75 R17) on my daily driver/tow rig. These are not all-season tires, and the performance in road snow or even heavy rain is not impressive but workable as long as you are mindful of their limitations and weaknesses. I regularly run them at 7-9 PSI without beadlocks. I inherited a set of Patagonia M/T tires (315/75 R16) on my 80 Series Land Cruiser in March of 2021. The PO had taken the 80 from Vegas to Cabo and all around Baja, then back to Vegas. He also took the 80 to Imogene Pass and around the Rockies on the same tires. So these were well used by the time I got them. With only about 35% tread life remaining, road handling characteristics became unpredictable, and road noise was noticeably worse. This should be expected for a soft compound M/T tire, so no surprises there. All and all, I am a massive fan of the brand and especially of the M/T. I have not used the Black Labels or the G2 version yet, so I have no opinions on the subject.

[@nicholassbardella6045]

I love to see a long term review of the bead grip wheels too. Is it more of a marketing gimmick or does it really help when aired down. I want the advantages of a beadlock when aired down but don’t want all the hassle of the mounting and dismounting.

[@davethrasher4124]

I bought a set, haven't been able to get them on yet (waiting on the lift, damn delays). However the shop that mounted them said they were a bit more difficult to mount than regular wheels, so take that for what it's worth.

[@billwaterhouse5894]

Yes, me as well...gimmick or greatness.

[@LBCR6]

I have the same bead grip wheels for 2 years now and have been down to 8psi. Never had a bead break loose or even burp air.

[@peachpole]

I have the same set as Nate on my jeep. I run 8psi every ride with 37” KM3s and have had zero issues. I also have bead grips on my RZR and run them at 7psi in the dunes no problem. The tire shop had a hell of a time mounting the rzr tires though. I think that was their first experience with the bead grips.

[@daveisnothere]

Just to paly 'Devils Advocate'.. 40 years off road, running as low as 2 psi, never owned beadlock wheels, never will... Only once, and it was more my fault than the tire's/wheel's fault due to a heavy pedal and steering being applied I got sand in the bead. Never have had one come off, and I've done a lot of the trails in CO and UT. Typically the beadlock on modern wheels is pretty good at keeping the tire on. Now if you like to drift with all the ponies engaged, beadlocks may be worth it. Drive like grandpa on a sunday drive, I think they are a waste of money.

[@proeagleoffroad]

We have Milestar tires on two UTVs, Jeep JK, Bronco and a 4400 race truck. We’ve raced KOH twice, numerous BITD races, Moab and more and have never had a single issue. I cut across the desert in Baja and earned a well deserved sidewalk puncture from a cactus in the Jeep. In 5+ years that has been the only puncture or issue of any kind. I appreciate your honest review.

[@brapbrapbrrraaaaaapp4163]

I have a v10 Excursion running 20" wheel 37's. They are a load range F. Only go air down to around 20psi. The side wall lugs have been tearing off each time I go out in the Arizona desert. On the street they are at 45f/50r and just did 3000mi through the gulf to Charolette without any problems. Did great in the beach and highway.

[@jasonethridge]

I’m a southwestern wheeler (Johnson Valley and Big Bear are in my backyard and I travel to Arizona and Utah 2-3 times per year) so I can’t speak about performance in real mud or heavy snow, but I have loved my 2+ years running Pattys. They flatten out to wrap around rocks or float on sand as well as anything on the market; maybe better. Now, I don’t run super-low pressures (8-10 is my low) and that may be why I haven’t had any failures that I didn’t deserve. They do have soft sidewalls, which helps me run higher pressures and still get that pancaking that I love. Maybe that’s the key. Maybe they’re too soft to run in that 4-6 psi range, and because they’re so soft, you don’t need to.

[@jamesonmiller5799]

The weak sidewalls of Patagonia MTs are not exclusive to the Black Labels. Milestars are only 3 ply - where a Cooper is 8 or 10 ply. This is part of the reason they are so much cheaper than other brands. On the East Coast these tires do not hold up well in wet, muddy terrain we have. They get caked up with mud, don’t clear the treads well, and thus loose a lot of traction. Overtime they don’t wear evenly causing the treads to cup and make a lot of road noise. The Milestar tires are trash don’t let anyone else convince you otherwise. They only got popular because of Kevin and Brittany Williams (who got them for severely less than the average consumer), and they don’t even use them anymore, because they are trash tires. Save your money and buy a better tire. Save money in your build elsewhere.

[@RyanRKJ]

I watch a lot of KZbin, so I’m basically an expert. What I’ve seen, is that the Milestar tires do great on a lot of different terrain. The only time they seem to fall on their face is indeed that “east coast” terrain where you have mud and slick (like actually slick, not Moab slick) rock where you need some wheel speed. Nitto Trail Grapplers do much better.

[@elmateo487]

The cooper SST pro uses a 3 ply sidewall. What cooper has an 8 or 10 ply sidewall? I don't think there is one in a 40

[@TimRoyalPastortim]

I have minor chunking issues on mine, but overall I'm very satisfied with mine. No puncture issues.

[@Escape.Idiocracy]

What PSI are you running and how much wheel speed in the rocks? I had chunking only when not aired down enough and too much wheel spin up shale.

[@MichaelBEarl]

I run Patagonia's on a 2008 Wrangler Unlimited. I have the 38.5" 01 series (not black label). I have had them for about 4 years. I live in New England and they have been run on the highway, through 30" mud, through shallow rivers, up rocks, through deep snow, and in normal driving conditions. They have performed excellent. No issues with wear, they are pretty quiet when aired up properly, the grip great when running low pressure. I run mine over sharp sticks and rocks regularly and have not had any issues. I have some lugs broken on the edges of the tread from gripping rocks, but that's abuse from me. One thing to note that I found when buying them was the weight of the tire. These were several pounds lighter than any decent tire of the same size when I bought them. Rotating weight can make a big difference and I wanted a lighter tire and wheel combination to make it easier to change when necessary.

[@jdsrcs8061]

The Pat's have been great for me. I run the 295/17s on my ram and 265/16s on my wife's XJ. We wheeled and road tripped and have worked in all situations. I will buy them again with out hesitation.

[@fmndmn]

I have had two sets of patagonias. Wheeling in AZ I never cut a side wall, but I the chunking was really bad and this year at EJS I somehow ripped an entire tread block off the tire.

[@travispinkerton9916]

I’ve seen that happen before on milestars. IMO I’d rather run mickeys coopers or even nitto and I’m not a nitto fan for other reasons😂

[@waggy401]

@@travispinkerton9916 I have Mickey Thompsons and they are shredded for several reasons. Even have chunks of sidewall missing. But, as long as they still hold air it's all good!

[@Weatherby406]

Live south of flathead and had great performance on a 2019 f150. Used for trails and hunting. Has been great from the mountains to eastern mt. Temps from -40 to 100 deg. Mostly snow and rock. No crawling.

[@timolheiser7874]

I run Milestar Patagonia LT315/70 R17 MT 12.50 tires, I put 20,000 km on a 2020 Sport S Gladiator, and 47,000 km over the last two years, with them on a 2020 Rubicon Gladiator upgraded to 5:13 gearing, with standard suspension. I rotate the tires every 3000km, and have good wear and have only lost 2/32 off the tread. I like their snow performance, but have to be in 4 wheel drive for them to really shine in 3 foot snow, both city and country road driving in Alberta winters, where temps range from 0C to minus 40 C. I haven't yet needed to go into 4 low and apply lockers. In winter I park up piles of snow when parking is full. When I bought them they were $200 per tire, now $464.47 per tire, but I would like to go up to either a 37x12.50R17 LT M/T-02 or 38x12.50R17LT M/T-02 tire, with a 4.5 Terraflex Alpine CT4 Long Arm Extended Travel lift, and Falcon 3.1 shocks. Yes these tires are getting pricey. I had one screw in one tread, and found I had overinflated them, and run them at 37 psi now, rather than tire reccommended 41 psi. That gives me a flat tread and better wear. I had a RAM 1500 with KO2s and found they grab rocks and throw them at speed in corners, but the Milestars hold less stones, and therefore throw less stones.

[@christophersanders5007]

I run a set of 38" Toyo M/T Open Country on my Chevy square body. My truck is 80% street and 20% light to moderate wheeling. These tires work very well on the street with pretty decent performance off road.

[@ryanmontague7937]

I would like to see you put on a set of the new Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT's and see how they stack up against the KO2's

[@TheJrzy2111]

I’m on my 3rd set! The new 35x12.5x20 m/t are now M/t 2.0 . Best freaking tire on the market. Love them on my mega cab 2500! 17 months of Highway use 65,789 miles on my last set!

[@wrightcycleworks]

I have a set on my MJ Comanche. These were on before I bought it. I absolutely despise them. They are loud on the highway, and don't do any east coast wheeling well at all. My group of friends walk most obstacles I have issues on. Will be upgrading to some STT pros or Falkens soon.

[@monteclampett7862]

I've been running The Milestar Patagonia MTs for about 3 years and I've been completely satisfied. I run them in the snow, mud, rocks and highway and have had absolutely no issues. I have them on an 06 TJ Rubicon.

[@1JayZed]

I have a set of regular 37" MT01s on my Rubicon. Been very happy with them. My 3 favorite features are 1, light weight. 2, good sidewall flex even at 35 psi. I often don't air down because they not super stiff like Toyo. 3, road manners. Quiet, handle well etc. They do seem to be wearing fast, but so far 0 complaints. I'll probably step up to a 38 next.

[@evanwalker6258]

I really like mine on my cherokee, they are not the black labels and I run them around 8-10 psi everywhere I go from Moab to a bunch of places in the Midwest and I’ve not had a single issue with them, and I’ve had them a little over a year with probably 10-15 wheeling trips, i really like them, and they’re more affordable than a lot of mud terrain tires in a 35”

[@AGTFBS]

love my patagonia MT 37s on my JKU, on road and off-road balance is awesome - no issues

[@wesleyhuddleston1]

It's not just the black labels. I punctured 2 of my 38s, 1 of which was very similar to the tear you have. Mine was done on a tree root in some colder weather as well.

[@gen1c8rs88]

Yokohama Geolander MT G003 tires are a lighter weight option also Mickey Thompson Baja Boss MT tires would be interesting to get your thoughts on these as well.

[@ferp420]

my maxxis tire did the same thing also started with a small stick in the side wall i bought some huge patches and glued the hole up and patched it then put a tube in it the patch lasted over a year it blew out yesterday lol oddly enuff the new tires i ordered should be here today !

[@RyanBennett_Gpd605]

I loved mine but you have to stay on top of rotations more regularly than usual. I do wish the rubber was slightly harder for road longevity but off road performance was amazing!

[@marv8481]

My problem with them is they’ve went from being cheap to the same price as their better, use to be more expensive, counterparts. (When I say “better” I’m talking in terms of wear, as I do a lot of highway and commute driving on pavement and hit the trails on the weekend, it seams these wear a lot faster then something like Falken at3’s, and they are now, atleast in my area and what I can purchase them for online, in the ball park of the same price range.)

[@pnwrcdrift]

The general grabber x3 would be cool to see your opinion on, I like them so far and have had them for a year, e rated and 265/70/17 on the same method wheels as your Tacoma even and love the bead grip wheels

[@watchchannel8201]

Have a pair on my 04 discovery 2. Cords are showing where one of the treads tore off… also big gnarly gouges and splits in the tires side walls. Not leaking air yet, but I’m at the point where it’s no longer safe to use them. Maybe I’ve got 6000 miles at most on them. I got them used off a wrecked discovery 2 and they were almost new when I got them. I am very impressed with the performance this far except the fact they have so much damage…

[@Thomas_Tolson]

I daily drive my JKU, but I'm on 35" Patagonia's... never had any issues. But also not black label. As far as highway mileage, rotating them every 3k miles really seems to help with wear.

[@stevest1300]

In November of last year, I mounted a set of Patagonia M/T2 37x12.5 17s on my lifted 2000 Excursion. The V10 struggles with the torque so I'm headed to 4.10 gears in the spring. I've cut sidewalls on many industrial tires (Yokos, Toyos, BFGs...) and I was worried about these big sidewalls on a cheap Chinese tire (let's face it. That's what they are). I've got about 4500 kms of winter logging road and muddy skidder and log landing areas without an issue so far. Frozen and/or dried sticks are the biggest enemies for all the tires. These things float on mud to the point of being drifty. Their size has a lot to do with it as I also run pizza cutters on other trucks that are far more controllable on mud with a bottom. But this year I have contracts for logging in some swampy areas so I thought I'd try these monsters on the old crew truck Excursion and see what happens. Spring breakup is just around the corner and the mud will be bottomless for a couple of weeks. I'm looking forward to seeing how these things handle with 8500 pounds of loaded truck in deep mud. I also just replaced the 12,000 lb winch with an 18,000 and an upgraded block pulley...just in case.

[@steveforgues72]

I’ve got about 38000 miles so far on my set of Pats. They have been great on and off-road. My only minor gripe is on road. Because of the small contract patch, they tend to break loose a little on the heat applied road lines, especially when wet. Other than that, I love them. Will be replacing in the coming months before my wife and I go on a 6000+ mile cross country road trip. I’ll be going with another set of Pats.

[@gmarksvlx]

Patagonia MT in 305/70R16 on a 99 XJ. I run 15 psi on Colorado and Utah rocks and dirt. No issues yet (not black label)

[@kendingsor]

Off-roading is like whitewater paddling in that we put our gear through absolute extremes and I think often people aren't realistic about that when reviewing gear. Wet, dry, banged down rocks, sun exposure, dragging through trees...Tires connect you to the ground and our paddle connects us to the water or shoes to the ground. I've seen just about every brand of paddle break, or wet shoe fall apart. I've broken my fair share, and any paddle will break if you stick it between two rocks and crank on it just like any shoe if left in a heap of wet gear and put through brutal hikes and portages will wear faster than sneakers for walking in the mall. Often times the ego turns that user error into the products fault. It's nice to see you be honest about a product give it a fair chance and also maintain the relationship with the manufacturer. I've switched paddles after questioning build quality and breaking my 4th and I've broken paddles and stayed with a manufacturer because I know it was my fault. All times were inconvenient but you have to give the product a chance and not blame it immediately when there are so many variables that can go into it's failure.

[@ronthompson2366]

Good info and your right... tires are just tough to rate for all the reasons that you stated. But that being said... you asked... what Goodyear do you have experience with and how do you rate the Goodyear line up ? Along with Mickey Thompson tires ? I grew up in Eastern Washington and those were the go to brand [in the 70's]... and then we used Goodyear farm implement tires lol... not a lot to choose from back then. Now I am living in the south and Nitto seems to be the go to brand... lots of red clay ... but they howl and don't last on pavement and wet rain on the road can make hard big tread mud tires like skates on ice... Again goes to your point on how difficult it truly is to have a "do all" tire.

[@jeromeburrasca6710]

Try the Atturo Trail Blade MT or Boss.

[@justingalvan4050]

For the street may be okay

[@ashtonmariefranklin725]

I've ran my milestar Patagonia MT's till they were completely worn out without any problems. I run them on my 97F250HD Project Truck, even aired down to 20psi. In deep wet snow. I tried getting the truck stuck and it would just grab Traction and keep trucking on. I love the milestar Patagonia MT's. Next set ill try the MT02 version

[@alex_ctrn2012]

I have had my milestars for a few years now. I bought them right before they got popular. I absolutely hate them. I can't wait to get rid of them. There and okay hybrid tire. If it's a daily driver weekend wheeler but. I wheel in the Pennsylvania mass And new Hampshire area and I have no traction. Obstacles that my buddies would walk up I would have to winch up. The slightest moisture and I'm pretty much done for the day. I have a video of my jeep jk in NH sitting double locked in 4 low aired down to about 8-10 psi. Just spinning on I was able to get out of my jeep and take the video. With the jeep in gear just spinning. I had to have my buddy pull me out. They are horrible with any type of mud. Definitely would not be buying again. Nate let me know if you want the video I would gladly send it to yoy

[@Tuxedorunner]

Toyo open country MT or the AT3

[@joshuacourtney1123]

AT3, Ran these on my 97 FZJ80. Phenomenal tire. Went through about 12-18" of snow no problem at 34psi

[@chrisbrannan3784]

Since the black wall is their competition tire, is it possible they are using a slightly weaker sidewall in favor of a bit more "bounce/flex". Considering a lot of the big events include long high speed desert runs, that could make sense. I would love to see you run some Nexen Rodian MTX tires at some point. I hear great things from other Jeep shows regarding their on road performance, long life, and comfort on more mild off roading. Would love to hear what a more extreme off roader thinks, particularly for rock crawling performance/durability.

[@jonathanconaway9487]

I’m on my 2nd set of M/T 01s on my TJ (only 35s) and love them. Handled great in the snow and rocks of NW Colorado, handle great on the highway (though wear is a real issue but they are MTs so that’s par for course) and overall all around great tires. I have a buddy with a JT and he doesn’t like them on Snow but also like you said didn’t air down, I’ll stay with them as they are the best bang for the buck and over delivery for their price IMO.

[@sidwinter9833]

I have a set of the mto1s and have had zero issues with them at all I also have a set of a/trs on my daily truck and the only issues I’ve had with them is people leaving nails or screws in the road

[@eodjeep2137]

My first set of Milestar Patagonia MTs 285/70/17 load range E I had on my JKU for 82k miles with zero issues. Tread wear was even and still had 6/32’s when I replaced them. Most of those miles were highway with some off-roading in Utah and Colorado. I ran them at 35-37 psi for on road and 15-20 for off-roading with regular rotations at every oil change. I’m now running a 315/70/17 load range D on my JKU with about 2k miles on them and I’m seeing the same wear as my previous set and I’m running the same psi’s. I try to baby my tires as I can’t afford new ones every year and I rotate them religiously. I did notice with my first set that the rubber was rather soft and they did wear rather quickly at first. I went from 19/32’s to 12/32’s in just the first few thousand miles. However, the rubber seemed to harden up after that and they wore much slower after that in my case as is evident in the mileage I got out of my first set. I realize the mileage I got from my first set isn’t typical but I’m hoping to get at least 2/3rds of that mileage from the set I currently have. If so, I’ll be happy.

[@drubradley8821]

This was a good video. Please note, buddy, I do not know a single thing about these Patagonia units. With that said, I have lived by a rule that larger tires, that are being required to go up in pressure, and down in pressure, while then experiencing the same torque to the side walls, I was once told, doing such, can take a 20K mile tire, down to a 3 to 10K mile range, safely. I know that is not idea, and exceptionally costly, but, From my experience, of not only beating on rubber, but building rubber, I had to agree with that old timer. If a tire is left at one pressure setting, it is golden, but, that micro-structure of the sulfur in the rubber compound get extremely hot, and sulfur does not like heat. It is hard to believe, simply due to you can touch the side wall of the tire and it is just warm to the touch, but, on a micronic scale, it is cooking itself.. The stretching, flexing, bending, etc., causes heat and a thinner wall, having less material to dissipate the heat, so it is claimed to focus itself and feed itself like a chain reaction. Drag slicks, as you know, endure massive amount of side wall stresses, but, the wall is only on one type of stress, and the fibers deal with that. But off the line, all the wrinkles in the side way in that 3 to 4 10th's of a second, are doing the same thing. The side walls of tires compound are a different formulation then the tread area. Each having a different job to handle. Again, I personally have no info upon these tires. But, I would still like to speculate, that these are designer tires, meant for short term usage, even though, the tread leaves the impression, that you have 40K miles left to go yet? Please note, I could be 100% wrong on this Patagonia / Black Label series? I really do not know. But, even the trophy trucks Kats, dump their tires after a race or 5, simply due to the torture testing a few races puts them through. You mentioned the "Trade-OFF's" of rectify one thing, but something else will likely suffer.. I speculate, that is the case with these units, buy a set, run'em a few events, and dump'em, and rinse and repeat. They sound like they are great performers, when they are new, but, start to give up the ghost after a hard less then 10K miles? For all I know, these may have more or less miles on them? I suppose all I am saying is, these might simply be, just that type of designer tires, run'em a little bit, dump'em, get new units, for the peak performance factor as every edge counts? I think the date code also can give a name to this process, called "shelf-life". Even if they're brand new, and never mounted, if they are old, they are no good? I must say, I Do not know if this is a factor with these units. Good luck Boss. I do look forwards to seeing what research you come up with upon these units. I wish they would bring back the MK-2's...LOL... Yah, I am still hooked on the old school units.

[@fckurcouch]

I love my cooper discovery stt pro I haven't done any crawling but an medium trails never had to even air down and had no issues (37x13.5 r18) also have a set of 33x10 r18 that I used to run until my 37s and never had a complaint been driving on them for 1.5 years so far and the thread is still at 60% (daily driven)

[@ajr5195]

Not tire related.. but your taco is THE COOLEST taco ive ever seen. You did a great job with this build. Keep up the excellent content.

[@DirtLifestyle]

Thanks man 🙌 I appreciate the kind words!

[@JCPaintGuy]

My first exposure to Mileatar Patagonias were their A/T’s. Times were very lean for my family then, so I tried a set on my old F-150 2wd. That set of tires went almost 65k miles in just over two years, as it was my work truck as well. I was so impressed by how well they performed in the wet and the snow that when I need new tires, I bought a second set and obtained almost identical results. Our oldest son put a set on his Explorer and got almost 70k out of that set. Last year, when we bought out 2021 Gladiator, money wasn’t near as tight and explored other tires, but ultimately decided on a set of 35x12.50 Patagonia M/T’s. They now have 13k on them, and they have been flawless in the rain and snow - just like the A/T’s were. They are noisier, but that was to be expected. I haven’t had the nerve to take my Gladiator off-road yet, but hope to squeeze in a trip to AOP here in Tennessee in the near future. I can say we have taken the Gladiator on three long distance road trips, and while a bit noisier, it is not exhausting, and the knowledge that I have such a capable tire on my truck is reassuring. I appreciate the honest review Nate. I hope you have better luck with this 2.0 version, and look forward to seeing how they perform for you.

[@Bigdaddyslasher]

Everyone I know who had them got rid of them because of the sidewall failures. I run Nitto Trail Grapplers since 2016 and I have some really bad cuts on those old tires and they still hold air.

[@thetrailoutthere]

A good tire that has surprised me is the Kenda Klever RT (Rough terrain AKA hybrid). I switched from open country MT to these kenda tires and don't regret it one bit. The sidewall is aggressive for when you're aired down yet the center tread is not too aggressive so as to not create a lot of road noise or rolling resistance which means better mpg. They've been making tires for mountain bikes and other applications for a few decades but they're pretty new in the truck scene.

[@thorn4run]

I’m running the 38x13.50-17 M/T's on my ‘88 4Runner. This is my second season of hard wheeling on these tires and I am very impressed. Only damage I’ve noticed is some of the little sidewall treads have came off. Just yesterday did a trail with a tight squeeze between 2 large rocks. Rounded a few heads off of the bead lock bolts on all 4 wheels but no damage to the tires. My buddy just got a set of Maxxis Trepadors. His first run on them he got a cut in his sidewall about 2 inches long. Luckily not deep enough to be catastrophic.

[@Casey250]

"Im very torn..." - Sticking hand through tear in sidewall lol!! good kick off.

[@muddypawsadventurer7775]

The Pats got my attention because of the crowning of the tire. This Summer, I will be flat towing my Scout behind my truck and camper. I've full float rears that allow me to disengage like a locking hub so my drive train doesn't turn. I'm looking to add a mile or two mpg while towing. Put in the drive caps and go explore...

[@Reaperz_Gaming]

I'm Impressed with the performance of the Radar Renegade R/Ts

[@justinsmith623]

I got Patagonia M/T’s after having BFG K02’s. The BFG’s were way better in the snow. I don’t have beadlocks, so I didn’t air them down into the single digits, but I didn’t with the BFG’s either. I’m back to K02’s now. To me, if you have to air down to the point where about any tire will be good enough, it’s probably not that great of a snow tire. For my purposes, the BFG’s seem to be the ticket. The Patagonias were spectacular for everything else, but we don’t get a lot of snow here and I really love riding around in it. The K02’s aren’t wonderful in mud though. I suppose everything is a tradeoff. I’m just a weekend warrior and I’m sure I don’t push either tires near their limits. I never had any issues with the Patagonias though. They looked way cooler too… lol

[@masonranabauer4864]

I’ve had a set on my 97 7.3 f250 and had no problem but mine weren’t the black labels.

[@ELEVENSDIRTLIFE]

I’ve run multiple sets and sizes of Patagonia’s and have been very happy with on and off-road performance. They are actually the only tire brand I’ve never lost a sidewall on and I’ve run most the big name tire brands over the years. Currently running 40” black labels on on JLU and my wife is running 38” MT02’s on her Gladiator. We’ve put close to 5k miles on the MT02’s and have done a few wheeling trips (including Moab) and they have been awesome.

[@cofcortez]

I bought my '16 Rubi JKU about a yr and half, the Milestar Patagonia MTs were on and I was very surprised and shocked at how well they are performing. I've been in the deserts of southern NV many times in the last yr or so and they perform great, sometimes I don't air down, that's scary, but they still do well. But when they are aired down, I feel perfectly comfortable and they perform marvelously! Keep up the good work.

[@rsjohnson7436]

I've got Milestar 37s on my Gladiator and all it takes is a damp paved road (i.e fog) and they will send my truck sideways in a heartbeat on a curve with a few small bumps in the pavement. The only goodness is that it's predictable. Happens EVERY time. Otherwise, no complaints.

[@ms.annthrope415]

Any tire can be ripped if it grinds against a sharp rock, tree branch or steel rebar. We also can't test it against a bunch of other tires in the same controlled puncture source to see if it would tear the same damage. But going off road and overlanding i would use 3 ply sidewalls like BFG or Cooper ST Maxx or Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT.

[@brianball9514]

I’ve had a set of the MTO2’s for about ~30,000 miles. They’ve performed exceptionally in every setting I’ve put them in except for Kentucky River bottom clay. There’s not a whole lot of tires on the market that excel in that kind of clay so I didn’t expect peak performance but they still get me in and out of the clay well enough. They’ve been quiet on road and handle well. I run mine around 30 psi on road and about 15 psi offroad since I’m ballin on a budget without bead locks. I’m sure I’d love them even more if I could air them down even further but I do have to consider other tires as these do wear pretty fast. I’m going to push this set as far as I can to see how the performance lasts offroad with less and less tread. Otherwise, I’d recommend the MTO2’s

[@kjm8135]

How’d you get a pair of the MT-02? Can’t find them anywhere can’t even order them anywhere

[@daveruperd7516]

I’ve had the mt01 in 35 and 37 and they’ve been great. Recently picked up some MT02s in 38s for my LJ and I anticipate more great results.

[@RenegadesGarage07]

I have 2 sets of Patagonia mt 01 a set of 31.5 on my frontier and a set of 35in on my Jeep I love both they perform just as I need. Looking in to a set of 37in someday for the jeep. I mainly got them for the reason they fit my budget being a pretty cheap tire in the tire market.

[@Abourgeois17]

I had a set of 35 inch patagonias, i loved them for the most part, great on the trails we have around here (north east) did have some issues with the wear pattern, im pretty anal about tire pressures and tread wear. I just couldnt seem to get it right with them so they did have some minor unevenness. But for the price of them i wouldnt complain. Ill most likely be buying a set of 37s once my current tires get worn out

[@Alex_556]

I had Patagonia M/T on my Jeep Commander and they were performing very well offroad. No punctures or sidewall issues. My only 2 negatives are their lifespan and road noise. They are loud! I tried 30 psi, 50 psi, and any pressure in between but their roar is way louder than A/T tires (as Milestar advertised) and even M/T (Maxxis Razr M/T on my truck). Because of that I won't buy them again.

[@andrewbagnall6007]

Just got my tires and lift installed waiting for driveshafts, but I can't wait to try out the M/T01 on my Grand Cherokee !

[@rlaracue]

Tires to try: Baja Boss MTs, Baja Boss ATs, Maxxis Razr AT 811 model.

[@EdBlack-]

Patagonia MT02’s have been improved. Highly recommend.

[@evanrmoon]

Running 37" Pats on a JKU Rubicon for the past year in New England, Rausch Creek and recently went to Windrock Tennessee. I have not had an issue yet with the side wall from sticks, cut stumps, sharp rocks etc. Typically I run about 16 psi as I don't have bead locks.

[@johnwheeler690]

I ve had them for about 3 years mostly highway miles 75 lb psi my truck weighs about 8,000 lbs I love em I really don't think they are a mud tire because of the straight bar where as a diagonal tread self cleaning lug works best but if I was rich I'd go with bfg mt or even good year kevlar Mt I like them both when I was fishing everyday on the lake front I'd have to drive through the orv area and these old boys have some big tires and big deep ruts never got stuck I guess my best tire I've used was a set of Chevy split rims 20 tire 8.25 they were 38 inches tire tube type and 100 lb tire pressure the rocks and mud never bothered me but again I had a heavy one ton Ford with a flatbed and a camper on top to keep me dry when it snowed or rained I did this on a daily basis but now 80 don't do much fishing any more just watch videos

[@badgermetal]

Ohhh thank you. I was thinking about getting these soon but maybe not.

[@JonnyDIY]

Nice review, thank you for being honest. Theyre a good budget tire, I think they need to come up a little more to play with the big names.

[@3.2.1.adventure4]

I have had the mt1s for about a year now did a wheeling trip from California to the Canadian border in Montana and back last year and use my jeep as a daily probably have 20,000 miles in the year I have owned them. Haven't had a single issue.

[@matt6986]

I have personally seen to many sidewall holes in Patagonia's to ever run them myself. I really like the BFGKM3's but the last set of 37s measured out closer to 36" and I don't like it when manufactures do that. Currently run the Irok bias 39.5" tire and it has been my favorite so far. Best performing tire in the snow in my experience and they still do really well in the rocks. I live near the Rubicon so I go there often along with Fordyce. Majority of wheeling is snow in the winter and I definitely run single digits with beadlock wheels. 1996 Toyota Land Cruiser for vehicle reference.

[@assassinworks]

I've had both sets have ran them in snow, sand, and dirt rocky terrain no issues with sidewall. I've even ran a set till the tread was gone still no issues

[@DznByLimbo]

Woah 3-4 psi sounds crazy! Good thing I’ve never been in that kind of snow cause I’d be stuck not knowing that 😂

[@pyrostwistedride4821]

Sometimes tire issues are tire issues, and other times it's the driver. No one wants to think they choose bad lines, sometimes that rock just jumps out at you. This isn't a apples to apples type thing. We had 8 sxs' on a trip to Windrock, and 6 tires met their demise with sidewall issues. 2 of the 3 brands was the same, but different models. The machines without tire issues on the trip was running tires with "weak sidewalls" per popular opinion.

[@craigcowling865]

Hankook Dynapro MT2 with Les Schwab warranty is a winner in my book. Would love to see a review on those. A really underrated tire.

[@bobvincent4841]

They've been a good 37 inch tire on my 2016 Power Wagon. On my 2nd set. I regularly pull a 16ft dump trailer and a 4ton excavator and frequently wheel at a Moab.

[@zackbeall1242]

3 years no issues on my landcruiser @40s wear fast but still great. Must air up on the hwy to 35psi+ snow has seen 1.5psi multiple times.