Landing on the Wrong Runway (Western Airlines Flight 2605) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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The year of 1979, to be honest, was a terrible year for one of the world’s Largest passenger plane. The Douglas DC10, even before 1979 suffered multiple hull loses and even for a time, held the accolade of being the aircraft involved in the deadliest air disaster to have occurred at that time. It’s a plane which certainly has a divided history. It’s pilots loved the plane. Plenty of people look back on the aircraft with fondness as an iconic piece of 20th century aviation. On the other hand, it had developed a reputation among passengers and the media due to its string of high profile incidents. 1979 was the plane’s deadliest year. Whether or not this reputation was warranted is up for debate. Because as with the case of this accident, there really wasn’t any wrong with the plane. Still, Western Airlines Flight 2605 contributed to that long list of accidents on October 31st, 1979.
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[@robertmcghintheorca49]

Do you think you could do a video about United Airlines Flight UAL232?

[@DisasterBreakdown]

@@robertmcghintheorca49 Yeah I will do sometime. Its a pretty big one though, its going to require a lot of time to make

[@sailaab]

Thank you sooo much for yet another balanced and measured production

[@ExperimentIV]

@@DisasterBreakdown i know of a whole lot of resources on it and talks the pilots themselves give if you’re ever in need! i can tweet at you about it if you’re interested

[@chriscs6674]

Do you think you could you make a video on the 2000 East Coast Aviation Services British Aerospace Jetstream crash?

[@doankey]

I've heard plenty of CVR's before, but this one is truly chilling. Hearing the captain go into hysterics like that was horrifying.

[@SSN515]

Foul mouthed Pud Knocker wouldn't have lasted 2 days at Edwards Flight Test.

[@LeolaGlamour]

Yes that one always stays with me because he was truly terrified

[@stevencooke6451]

This one really evoked sheer terror.

[@tskuhac]

Yeah its the worst cvr I have heard, imagine his family hearing that, you would never be able to get it out of your head. Not sure it was necessary for them to release it tbh.

[@chevyjohnson7457]

I was terrified too :(

[@kikastra]

The final seconds of the CVR from this incident is chilling.

[@fastfaps]

Yeah.. I was like.. I've heard this before in plenty of docs.. but this one hit hard

[@mysterycrumble]

at least the captain was calm under pressure

[@SSN515]

Chilling? No. Pathetic. The foul mouthed Captain was shrieking like a little girl instead of maintaining a even strain. Loser wouldn't have lasted 2 days at Edwards Flight Test. Freaking Pud Knocker.

[@trey8872]

@@mysterycrumble that comment was unnecessary and in poor taste.

[@matttzzz2]

@@trey8872 cry more

[@KatjaNX]

Reading from the comments that the CVR was played on the news after the crash is just horrible, I didn't know that even though I've heard the recording before. Imagine losing your loved-one in a crash, and as if that wasn't painful enough, you'd hear their last moments of sheer terror on the damn TV while trying to grieve. Trauma upon trauma.

[@SK-qu4wo]

Wow I had no idea this CVR was broadcast on live TV back then. I guess they did just about anything for ratings back in those days. Truly appalling. I can't imagine how his loves ones must have reacted to hearing him scream in terror during his last moments.

[@DJAUDIO1]

@@SK-qu4wo Valid point. It was the start of when News began losing its professionalism and validity, which led us to current times and our distrust of all media. Real sad nevertheless.

[@boomerborks8307]

I think this is the news broadcast which played this CVR on tv kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmGnpYp6g9-Zabs

[@Lozwave]

yeah its just wrong. It should never be played on mainstream news, absolutely irresponsible, its okay to release it, but playing it should have been illegal on mainstream news. It is absolutely trauma upon trauma

[@briantaylor9285]

All for ratings and viewership numbers.

[@trent3872]

23 left was closed, but the ILS was still functioning? My god this was just a matter of when and not if. Planes lining up on 23 left then side stepping to 23 right. What a nightmare

[@SunriseFilms76]

That was some big dogshittery

[@prismpyre7653]

What do you mean? This was when ILS tech was still really new anyway-- that was the only ILS the airport HAD. This was an incredibly common and standard procedure in the early days of ILS tech. Nothing 'tricky' about it unless you are an arrogant dimwit who doesn't listen or pay attention.

[@prismpyre7653]

what sort of a **tard INCREASES thrust when they see they are about to HIT AN EXCAVATOR?? a craven beast who is thinking only of themselves and trying to preserve their own career

[@hannahp1108]

I saw a plane crash documentary where an NTSB investigator said that pilots who listen to crash tapes (generally to identify the voices of the pilots from the crashed plane, so the NTSB know who is who -- the NTSB version of going to the morgue to ID a body) generally quit flying within two years. That tape made it easy to understand why that's the case.

[@user-tz3kg9uh4h]

I know the show and episode lol

[@drugIab]

@@user-tz3kg9uh4hWhat is it called.

[@char1737]

Someone who also watches Mayday/ Air Disaster

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

16 people survived. I didn't expect anyone to survive that. Edit: I really hope the family members of the flight crew have never heard this recording.

[@jsCP94]

It was on the news. Chances are, they did.

[@dfuher968]

Releasing those horrible last 20 seconds was just unnecessarily cruel to the families.

[@LeolaGlamour]

I said that as well! I was shocked there was survivors after hearing the CVR

[@ldsjen0227]

While it is horrifying to the families. It is a learning tool for the rest of the WORLD. Human error occurs.

[@jaboba69]

@Dfuher Yeah because not releasing it would bring them back to life.

[@mattthrun-nowicki8641]

The weird thing is, it sounds like you can almost hear more voices in the last milliseconds of the CVR. Eduardo Valenciana suggests that it’s the sound of the first class cabin coming closer to the CAM as it continues to record milliseconds after impact, as the front cabin crunches into the cockpit…he may be right.

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

Thanks for warning us about the CVR. It's a truly terrifying piece of audio, and it's not for the faint of heart.

[@stevencooke6451]

Definitely the hardest recording to deal with I've ever listened to.

[@EllaVishnevetsky]

I genuinely wonder what he was seeing in that moment

[@esteemedmortal5917]

I’ve never heard a pilot screaming in outright terror before 😣

[@chevyjohnson7457]

I regret listening to it, you feel the fear

[@ThatAviationGamer]

pulkovo 612 is also very terrifying, it's number 1 on my list under western 2605 and GOL1907

[@robertmcghintheorca49]

7:37 For those of you who have a nervous disposition, this is where you should prepare yourselves because just as Chloe says, Western Airlines Flight 2605 has arguably one of the most emotional Cockpit Voice Recordings imaginable. And if you think it's heart wrenching to listen to the pilots panic for their lives, try to imagine what it must have felt like for their families when this CVR was played on national television during a news broadcast about the crash.

[@kylemma33]

Your doing gods work.

[@Zawmbbeh]

It reminds me of another that disturbed the shit out of me. I think it was a collision between a 737 and a smaller business jet. The 737 loses half a wing and begins spiralling uncontrollably, and you’d think the G-force would’ve knocked everyone out, until you hear a whimper break the silence of the flight deck. No hysterics, no panic, just despair and defeated fear.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

The DC-10 was an amazing widebody plane for its time. I flew on them countless times in the 1970s and 1980s, but we never knew about the cargo door problems, or any of the other dangers. My family flew to Mexico on a DC-10 in 1975 and we had a great time. Ignorance is bliss, as they say. This crash has probably the most haunting CVR recording in history.

[@REPOMAN24722]

My dad flew on one with Ansett I believe, unaware of the dangers. But then again so were the unlucky people of the MAX.

[@tumslucks9781]

"The DC-10 was an amazing widebody for its time". You're obviously not an aerospace engineer. A DC-10 failed a fuselage test during development. Douglas knew about the cargo door flaw but reasoned that future law suits were cheaper than changing the design. On the Tristar the leading slats remain extended even if the hydraulics fail. On the DC -10 they do not. This was the main cause of the crash of AA flight 191 in 1979. The DC-10 outsold the Tristar by a factor of 2:1 because it was inexpensive. The Tristar was twice as good but twice the price!

[@REPOMAN24722]

@@tumslucks9781 Also all the redundant hydraulic lines are right next to each other which in one incident severed all or most of them when an engine exploded making the DC-10 lose control, even if the tristar lost 2 systems the plane would still have control of all surfaces.

[@tumslucks9781]

@@REPOMAN24722 That's true. The Tristar has 4 hydraulic systems but the DC-10 only has 3.

[@REPOMAN24722]

@@tumslucks9781 l1011 had 4 too I think and they were far apart. But one cost as much as a 747, Tristar and l1011 were the most advanced aircraft, 727 is a direct copy of the trident, they worked alongside Hawker and then the government of UK forced hawker to shrink the trident by the time they made the 180 pax variant 727 was already selling.

[@madladon]

Thank you for both including disturbing CVR recording, as well as giving a warning for their content. I usually listen to them, but some days I just don't have the stomach to listen to something so grim or helpless.

[@skunkrat01]

That CVR was definitely chilling. I remember there is a recording from a plane crash where the last thing you hear before impact is "no, not like this" Gives me the shivers

[@sjdrifter72]

Out of all the CVR recordings that have been officially released, this is by far the most terrifying to listen to. The only other one that could surpass it would be GermanWings flight 9525 which reportedly captured the screams of the terrified passengers just prior to the crash.

[@arandomthing2489]

Another terrible one is Pulkovo 612, it’s just heartbreaking. Same with Aeroflot 593. Terribly sad and you should definitely watch her videos of them

[@trnguy6137]

This CVR easily makes it to the top 5 most chilling. No one can imagine the terror that is human nature in the final moment. May they all rest in peace.

[@stealingcarbon348]

@@arandomthing2489 Just so you know for future, this channel is run by Chloe who I believe uses she/her pronouns 😊

[@arandomthing2489]

@@stealingcarbon348 ah he’s yes I’m so sorry I completely forgot! I’m not Cis myself so I apologize!!! Learned this a few days ago so sorry!

[@stevencooke6451]

@@arandomthing2489 I think most of us have gotten that thing wrong before. We're all trying to get better. Hopefully, people understand that there is usually no malice intended.

[@b.t.356]

Although this is a textbook case of pilot error and Charlie made a lot of errors that contributed to this disaster, hearing him scream for his life at the end of the CVR is some of the most chilling stuff I have heard during my lifetime. I've listened to that incredibly tragic CVR clip myself multiple times, and it never fails to make my blood run ice cold.

[@KoffinKat]

People in the comments always blaming pilots... it's disgusting 😔 Humans make mistakes, it's completely normal. It's up to the other parties (ATCs, airports, airlines and the aviation authorities) to eliminate the risks.

[@beenaplumber8379]

@@KoffinKat Yes, everyone makes mistakes, and that's all the OP said. It's not up to those other parties to "eliminate the risks". It's so much more nuanced than that: 1) Legally and practically, the captain has the ultimate responsibility for safe operation of the aircraft, no one else. 2) You can't eliminate risk, only reduce it. 3) It's up to everybody, even gate agents and catering, to reduce risk as much as possible. 4) The FAA is responsible for regulating safety, but they do a piss poor job of it. They are not required to adopt NTSB recommendations after accident investigations, and all too often they don't, and more people die. They are also charged with promoting aviation in the US, and the one conflicts with the other. They have developed dysfunctionally cozy relationships with Boeing and the airlines, again resulting in a lot of deaths. That said, according to the NTSB's practice, pilot error is not (or is no longer) a sufficient cause for an airplane crash. The NTSB keeps digging to learn why the pilot made the error, and usually there are underlying issues, such as airline policies concerning training and schedule pressures, medical issues, poor CRM, and other human factors (plus many others). Looking beyond pilot error is how we learn to prevent future occurrences. Crash reports now list causal factors, and if pilot error is among them, they will say something like "This accident was caused by the flight crew's failure to (insert error). Contributing to this was inadequate training by the airline, misleading instrumentation, and (insert other factors)." We learn a lot more that way.

[@Myrea_Rend]

Oh god, THIS cockpit voice recording. Somehow, the other infamous CVRs, like Aeropéru 603 or Air Florida 90, pale in comparison to the sheer terror that is audible in THIS one. This is the only one that has truly made me panic.

[@ahronrichards9611]

Indeed.

[@ThatAviationGamer]

have you listened to pulkobo 612? the last seconds of it is a nightmare

[@ahronrichards9611]

@@ThatAviationGamer yeah that was scary.

[@tonyhakim4321]

I was working for western when this happened. Larry Roundtree was a good friend of mine. We went to high school together. I still think about him to this day. RIP Buddy

[@CYMotorsport]

Thank you for the content warning. I can’t handle this cvr or GOL1907. Also good call on explaining ILS. I like when you do this. Even to those familiar it’s still nice to have a tidy explanation especially as it relates to this incident & motivation. Eg it’s possible the pilots didn’t go-around bc they’d feared they’d return to the same conditions not fully understanding the side step with possible deteriorating conditions.

[@hamishmitchell884]

The CVR of this crash is chilling, I listened to it awhile ago. Truely horrible! Wish I'd never heard it 😟 Thank you for doing this one through.

[@fluxthelycanroc9603]

I think of all the cvr recordings I've listened to I've always regarded this one as the most haunting. Those panicked screams as the crew saw the building come into view was just horrifying when I first heard it

[@shariys1]

Try Comair 3272.

[@Aviation1400]

My family remember that accident pretty well, at the time my father was 8 years old, my grandma took care of the house at the north of Mexico City, and my grandpa was at the time working In the headquarters of western airlines in Las Vegas. As of today I own a dc-10 model of western airlines that belonged to my grandpa, and it has an envelope with the date of December 1974

[@CZPC]

I feel like people dont talk about the driver of the truck enough. Poor guy, his family probably never even imagined something like that could happen unlike the Pilot's surely.

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

This is pretty morbid, but hearing the captain desperately scream is an interesting contrast to some of the more calm "we're going down" final messages you hear about

[@maxb4074]

Makes me wonder if some of the "calm" ones might be edited a bit.

[@aeiou9054]

​@@maxb4074theyre not

[@cail171]

​@@maxb4074no, they're not edited. 😢

[@LadyVoldemort]

I always feel safe whenever I went on board a plane with older pilots...usually just looking at their greying/white hair alone will instantly calm my nerves. And yes, my whole life I always found that older pilots gave me the smoothest flights and softest landings. This recording shows that even a captain with 31,000 flight hours in his hands was still a human being just like the rest of us. Hearing his screaming in fear in the end almost made me cry...a truly sheer terror from such a highly experienced airman, calling for his God, facing the inevitable. I am not religious, but hearing people calling their Gods in hopelessness always touched me. I hope Captain Charlie and everyone else here RIP and the families got their peace. 😢🙏❤

[@gina7288]

The screams were horrible to hear my husband said he would of been screaming if he was in their shoes.

[@jsCP94]

When I clicked on the vid, I quickly realized it was THIS flight, with the infamous CVR. What's messed up is that they played this audio on the news at the time, and a clip of that broadcast is how saw it. While it is a unsettling CVR, I personally think Pulkovo Flight 612 CVR is worse (there's a vid on this channel for it). At least the terror in this one was short, not a couple of mins like Pulkovo. I do understand why people get unsettled by this one, since it is in English.

[@crashstitches79]

There's a JAL recording where the captain is screaming the whole time. You hear the engines spool up and screech louder and louder behind him, you hear the trees impact the plane, and you hear the pilot scream in Japanese "IT'S THE END!" just as the CVR cuts off. That one and this one are two of the most disturbing CVR's ever, alongside the 9/11 CVR's where you can hear the pilots gurgle their dying utterances after their throats were slashed by the hijackers. It's no place for a soft person, on a flight deck.

[@thedigitalemotion]

@@crashstitches79 The 911 one doesn’t exist where did u get that?

[@Inessence4]

@@thedigitalemotion I think that there were transcripts released.

[@charlesjwin]

They didn't play the audio clip on TV until 1988.

[@luissemedo3597]

0:43 "It had developed a reputation among passengers and the media" Shows Ryanair approaching. Well played XD

[@FranciscoCamino]

Wicked indeed

[@ExperimentIV]

i hope you do a video on United Airlines flight 232 one day. i know with your tact and respectfulness you would present it so wonderfully. the released fragments of the ATC comms would barely require a content warning, because the pilots (and more than half the occupants on board) survived. i actually thought you had done a video on it and was surprised to learn you hadn’t!

[@chaoszombie9995]

I think the dc10 had a lot of media/public attention because of the fact that evidence surfaced that McDonnell Douglas KNEW about the cargo door faliures, but still decided to sell the airframe in a rush to beat the L1011 to service

[@raymarshall6721]

But it was only the -10 model that had it. It was recrified on the later models. No different than airbus having computer overrides to pilot inputs which put the A320 into the woods at an airshow, or the MAX family having its stab trim issue leading to accidents. Hell, even GA planes end up with AD's over design issues pushed out.

[@nyxqueenofshadows]

thanks for the cvr content warning and the ils refresher, were both greatly appreciated! great video, as always!

[@57Jimmy]

I wasn’t sure about which cvr this was from, and I’ve heard many. As soon as I recognized it, I slowly turned the volume to mute. I knew which one it was. I will never forget it. I’m considered a tough ol’ bird, but this, this one hurts even today. 🕊🕊🕊

[@nigelh3253]

It difficult to imagine the panic and fear that was growing through the pilot's and crew's minds in those final few seconds. With their brains trying to compute what was going on - probably made more terrible for the crew as they were trained and understood the aircraft. What a horrible mistake landing on a runway with large machinery present. RIP all who perished.

[@ReyRey_Plays]

This is True The McDonnell Douglas DC-10 was a Terrible year for the DC-10 Because was had American airlines 191 in May 25th 1979 Then Western Airlines 2605 in October 31st 1979 Then few weeks later Air New Zealand 901 November 28 1979 In Total 603 were killed in these distasters

[@flowercrown-eevee]

The sheer TERROR in the CVR.... It sticks in my mind like the recording of Japan Airlines Flight 123, but in different ways. This one is panicked, they do not have the time to fully process what has just happened and are trying to regain control. Flight 123 had come to the realization that there was nothing they could do anymore and had the sense of hopelessness. Both some of the hardest listens I have seen on this channel. My heart goes out to all those people and their families who lost their lives and loved one in not only this disaster but all of the disaster that this channel covers.

[@billotto602]

I loved the DC-10. I'm a retired mechanic & they were great to work on. I think it was the finest aircraft that Douglas ever made. I was sad to see them go.

[@ahronrichards9611]

This CVR recording really stands out in my mind. Hearing the captain screaming like that is definitely unsettling. Nonetheless it was a great video. Keep up the good work.

[@blerst7066]

I'm usually ok with hearing this kind of recordings, but this one was truly horrifying.

[@Jen-X333]

Thanks so much for doing this one. I really enjoyed it and very much appreciated the ILS explanation also.

[@dbnmore]

The fact that I'm watching this on the 31st of Oct. Basically 44 years later

[@phantomf4747]

I've always loved the DC10. Flown on them many times. Now I have the unfortunate news that I get to watch them flown by the pilots of Tanker10 fighting brush fires here in California. They do it with such amazing skill.

[@denimjez]

The FO told the Capt. he was supposed to land on the right runway. I don't think there was enough time to sidestep to it, but the Capt. was in the wrong for being so certain that he was right. If they went around they would of had enough time to clarify the right runway. Dying when you know you were right has got to make the few seconds before expiring even more horrifying.

[@Accelerate55]

The captain in fact agreed with the FO, but it was too late.

[@masongoff8995]

Those screams are utterly heart wrenching

[@pattingtonn69]

I have a recommendation. I may be biased because I actually understand the CVR but it is truly horrifying how quickly it went downhill. LOT Polish Airlines flight 5055. The flight was in an emergency but with calm pilots, and the next second on the CVR you hear, translated "Goodnight, goodbye!" and "Hey! We're dying!" and then the CVR cuts out. Such a sad story as it wasn't the pilots fault the plane crashed. (ik i may have made a few mistakes here as im not an aviation expert)

[@claytonsanders508]

There are almost no words that can describe the pure, unfiltered terror of the Captain’s screams on that voice recorder. I heard it by accident once while watching another video that did not provide a warning of how disturbing it is. I don’t ever want to hear it again.

[@nigelbond4056]

The CVR chilled me to the bone. Although largely caused by pilot error, ATC also should take some responsibility for the disaster as the approach instructions were missing some vital pieces of information. Never assume that others know what you know.

[@vintvarner16]

This really was chilling and makes your blood go cold. My only hope is they passed quickly when impacted, because it's chilling that they knew they were going to die and were terrified. The thing if that maintenance truck wasn't there, this wouldn't have happened. I've never heard screams like that before, hope I never hear it again

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

I appreciate the definitions and redoing them each video. I come from a family of Air Force people but I can’t remember everything.

[@maratusa]

I very much enjoy your voice as the narrator. Always a masterfully done video.

[@whoever6458]

I hope that they put in some very specific guidelines about when a go around must be performed on this side stepping procedure like, if you are unable to see the runway at some given distance and altitude, go around. I know this sort of thing exists for normal approaches but it seems like you'd probably want a bit more distance and altitude to sort out the whole side stepping thing since you don't want to bank the aircraft too close to the ground or too sharply if you find yourself way too close to the runway to bank more gently to land on the parallel runway.

[@xonx209]

If you have seen enough air accidents video, you know closing a runway and requiring planes to sidestep is going to throw off some pilots sooner or later. If there is bad weather, the probability goes up.

[@evryhndlestakn]

Absolutely agreed. When you dont have air traffic control stating it to each & every plane & requiring confirmation they were rolling the dice for sure. It was all a perfect recipe for Tragedy.

[@Tahkaullus01]

I've listened to a lot of these recordings now and felt a chill from a lot of them. But this one... Unnerving is the word for it.

[@balesjo]

Glad to hear in this instance that the DC-10's less than stellar record was not always a fault of the aircraft itself. Of the three accidents mentioned in the video, the Western Airlines and Air New Zealand flights were due to pilot error or a combination of pilot and tower/traffic control errors. The Western Airlines flight could have definitely been avoided if the pilots had simply followed published procedure to abort the landing if the runway wasn't in view at 600 feet of altitude.Then the question as to why Mexico City had an out-of- commission runway's ILS active. It's a definite liability. It may have made it easier for pilots to land by lining up on it and then doing the side-step procedure to land on the actual active runway. Both the active ILS and side-step procedures leave wide room for error. As for the Air New Zealand flight, again it was pilot error involving low visibility and white-out conditions due to the snow, combined with the aircraft's position having deviated from the original fight planned route, where the pilots didn't realize the deviation until suddenly rushing up on the side of Mt. Erebus. For all the people, both passengers and flight crews onboard all of these flights, my heart goes out to them and those they left behind.

[@WAL_DC-6B]

Technically, the 1979 American Airlines DC-10 crash at Chicago O'Hare wasn't exactly the fault of the aircraft either. A short cut using a forklift was used by American Airlines mechanics to remove the DC-10 wing engine for maintenance from the engine pylon unknowingly stressing that pylon. This shortcut repeatedly used led to an eventual crack that caused the engine pylon to fail in the Chicago crash.

[@budwhite9591]

If it was a bad year for the DC10, then it was an even worse year for McDonald Douglas, their customers and passengers

[@monkofdarktimes]

Ahhh yes the Death Chamber 10. Although it was a good run

[@questionablebackyardmeows]

Thank you for this video. There definitely needs to be a better way of informing pilots of closed/changed runways, as there's been quite a few accidents from this.

[@gaztastic]

I think that the DC-10 is an aircraft like no other. Public opinion aside, I think that this aircraft is very nice in hindsight. It was one of those aircraft that changed the aviation industry.

[@kittytrail]

so nice MDD brought their wonderful experience of crashing planes when they took over Boing management... 🙄

[@ScubaMonkeyVR]

The Last Moments The CVR Is Truly Chilling With The Very Visible And Sheer Screams of the Pilot

[@prmrosye6433]

Wow keep up with videos like this 🎉 ur explanation is easy to understand kudos to you

[@fallandbounce]

While understandable, I hope that when my time comes, it's not next to someone screaming uncontrollably.

[@RedwingBB]

If it is, you never know but you might be the one that comforts them. Like that GOL captain who kept saying, "Calm, calm" to his FO and trying to work the problem, right up to the end. 🇧🇷

[@getreal1234]

Great video again mate.

[@pavelslama5543]

I just cant get over how the airfield was turned into a labyrinth of various obstacles and other freakin mess. Thats like sailing a cruise ship into a minefield and getting blamed for it getting sunk. They basically sent the plane to an airfield which was obviously not in a safe condition.

[@railfandepotproductions]

Airport

[@Cookynator]

Another high quality video from you there about an absolute tragedy there that all of us who work in safety critical industries can learn from. Standard phraseology saves lives (makes it easy for us to build an accurate mental model) Beware the Window of Circadian Low (the hours between 2am and 6am where your body naturally wants to be asleep. I've worked enough night shifts to know just how easy it is to let stuff slip at those times. The sorts of mistakes you'd NEVER otherwise make) And above all else, if you're unsure about something, speak up. Ask, clarify and make sure you know what is supposed to be happening. You don't want your lasting legacy to the world to be a chilling voice recording of the exact moment you realise just how badly you've messed up.

[@rodolfoayalajr.8589]

We will never forget. Rip Amen 🙏. Great educational video friend.

[@TerryFarrah]

Why did the plane touch down on the grass next to the runway? It sounds like not only did they have the wrong runway, they weren’t even properly lined up with it. I don’t understand that.

[@MichaelD8393]

8:39 to skip the CVR recording; if you have a weak stomach or heart, you'll thank me later.

[@BlindBlue196]

Wow that voice recording was harrowing R I P 2 all who passed away 😇❤️

[@ats-3693]

In the mid to late 2000's I worked in Africa on mining and mineral exploration projects (I'm a geophysicist) we often had to fly in and out of various African countries on local Airlines. On one project I worked on in the DRC when I had finished my field shift I had to fly on a local Congolese airline from the town we were working in, Mbuji Mayi, to Kinshasa the capital city where I connected with a South African Airways flight back to Johannesburg. The local airline aircraft I flew to Kinshasa on was a DC10, as I walked across the apron to board I looked up at the tail and I could see the Air New Zealand logo as seen on the Air New Zealand aircraft shown briefly in this video, it had been painted over but it was still clear to see through the white paint covering it. The flight was actually really nice in spite of the aircrafts age it was very comfortable to fly in, the seats even in economy were very large soft leather covered seats with big leather covered armrests, almost like a big comfy lounge room seat and there was heaps of legroom. Other flights I took in Africa weren't so pleasant and comfortable, I once flew from Kananga also in the DRC back to Kinshasa on another local airline and the aircraft was a very old Antonov, an AN25 I think, a fairly large twin turboprop aircraft, it was part cargo and part passenger the cargo was at the front and there was a passenger section at the rear, the rear door that would usually be used to board passengers was inoperable we had to board at the front through a big freight door then make our way back through all the cargo to the passenger section, my seat just happened to be right next to the inoperable rear door which was labelled as an emergency exit inside but couldn't be opened and was bolted shut, my seat was broken and leant to one side and it didn't have a seat belt, they gave us a "meal" on the flight but it consisted of a single big bread roll, no butter or anything to put on it and it was just handed to me with no tray or plate or napkin, along with the dry bread roll I was also handed a large 750ml bottle of local beer but with no plastic cup to drink it from 🤣, I ate the bread roll and drank my big bottle of beer straight from the bottle, it was an interesting flight to say the least. Oh and the cargo in the front section was mostly some type of dried fish, I could tell that from the smell in the passenger section 😏

[@channelsixtysix066]

Poorly equipped airport, poor weather conditions, poor comminications from the tower and lack of published information for the side step landing. The pilots had no chance. Terrible.

[@Dat-Mudkip]

The only thing they did wrong was not bail out at 600 feet. Even then, they seemed to realize something was amiss; the first officer made the call to climb back up to 8500 feet at the last second, which suggests they realized they were low, but perhaps they weren't aware of how low they actually were.

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@Dat-Mudkip Agreed. They definitely had awareness that somehow, they were not where they should have been, but had no visual references to go on. Captain Gilbert only realising it when he said "No, This Is The Approach To The Goddamned Left". Seconds after that, it was too late, they had touched down partially on the grass, to the left of 23L.

[@jonchowe]

The pilots had every chance. I hate to say it because of how horribly they died (that CVR is terrible) but they KNEW they were on the wrong runway, they blew through their minimums, and there is literally no one else to blame but them. The buck, and many lives, stopped with them. There's no call for a go around, no discussion of what what to do now that their on the wrong runway, etc. Total pilot error and no excuse for it. It wasn't even their first time landing with the other runway closed!

[@jonchowe]

@@channelsixtysix066 it'd be marginally more understandable if they had landed squarely on the wrong runway. Landing off to the side like that shows they had absolutely no idea what was going on and should have gone around literally minutes earlier.

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@jonchowe Agree with you regarding their position and not knowing where they were. I don't know what the prevailing rules were back then regarding unsafe weather condidtions, but what should have happened, is for the flight to be diverted to another airport. This airport was not in a fit for use.

[@nenblom]

I remember the DC 10 with fondness. I flew on that plane back in the 80s with American Airlines and Northwest Airlines, including overseas trips. Once McDonald Douglas fixed the problems with the DC 10, it became one of the safest planes in the skies. Unfortunately, it’s reputation never recovered. That’s sad. Also, may all the victims rest in peace.

[@DoubleStupidity]

hearing people's last scream is the most chilling thing ever

[@James-tq8go]

It's amazing 16 people survived that.

[@alexibm2477]

Watching this and considering that the runway configuration remains the same at MEX feels odd. Now at least now both runways have ILS, but Flight 2605 was one of the early signs the goddamn airport is well done. We almost had a collision in May 2022, and I know many people are blaming ATC but nope, any basic geography teaches Mexico City is a pain to land in.

[@Notoriouskid28]

One of the most bone chilling & terrifying cvr’s I’ve ever heard

[@UncleBooBoo]

A couple of questions. Was the closed runway lit? Only the active runway should be lit. And is it so difficult to manoeuvre the trucks and other equipment off the runway to the side? That would leave the runway clear, just in case.

[@raymarshall6721]

Runway probabably wasnt even there since it was a resurface project. You cant move all of that out every day just for reasons, any vehicles on the field is a logistical nightmare and side stepping on an ILS approach in minimums is a no no anyway

[@claytonconn-mh6ve]

I really feel like they could’ve saved more lives, by starting their full Landing procedure instead of trying to get it up once they realize they landed on the wrong runway

[@raymarshall6721]

If theyre starting the procedure after they landed... They missed a few checklists. And no, it very well could have been worse as you end up with even more equipment to play cheese shredder down the runway.

[@randomfaca]

For whatever reason my brain can't follow this one... So the pilots knew one of the runways was closed, its said this was not the first time landing here. So what was the issue? It was their first time landing using the instruments approach with low visibility and they did not know that led to the closed runway?

[@gwblev]

Excellent video.

[@mbgal7758]

Imagine an airline reorganizing a seating configuration for lower density to improve passenger comfort. 😮

[@dmav522]

every time I hear that CVR, I get goosebumps...

[@BellaBarossa]

More than just unsettling. That was horrific. Poor, poor buggers. 😢

[@Ztbmrc1]

Indeed horrifying sounds from the cvr. Btw a side step should be executed much earlier than indicated by the graphics here.

[@kommandantgalileo]

I think you should do a video on UAL 232, considering it's another DC-10 crash

[@oilfan9445]

This CVR will always haunt me. The worst I've heard so far.

[@billythekid3234]

Thank you for the great video, It's the first time I've herd it. I will never listen to it again. This one hurt's.

[@callanharvey2293]

hey disaster breakdown, just wondering what that constant chime was that was playing through the cvr

[@alanburge2725]

Just as a fan and enthusiast I hate hearing all the negativity about the DC10 but it does seem to be an unlucky plane for sure. A real shame about the cargo door problems and other issues raised about this plane over time. I still think and feel and suspect that many might agree with me that even today it stands out. An interesting machine. Amazing design. It along with the Lockheed Tri star which is also amazing too. So I guess I am a fan and miss the 3 engine jets from the past.

[@terrysherman8808]

The L1011 was much more advanced than the DC-10.

[@alanburge2725]

@@terrysherman8808 That maybe so but that is not really the point. I like both the DC10 and the Tri star. They are both good planes in their own way. No plane is perfect. Every vehicle ever made has its good and bad points. That is just the way it is. Even the Concorde in the end had a problem........

[@allenbingham8475]

The Control Tower Said Nada Assumed Sidestep Thanks For The Help

[@Titot182]

... meanwhile, its sister aircraft was subject to a mad escape by John Matrix whilst on its way to Val Verde. Matrix managed to eject himself from the DC-10 whilst it was lifting off from LAX. Their flight attendants were Susan and Lance. Apparently, the perpetrator felt airsick and managed to climb down the front nosegear to escape. Unlike DB Cooper, Matrix achieved his mission in the end to save Jenny. The tragic tale to this story is that he probably killed as many people as those that died on this fateful air crash after he was denied the request for assistance from General Franklin Kirby.

[@gierrah]

Are there any videos on this? Flight number so I can keep an eye out?

[@Titot182]

@@gierrah Sure, it was all captured cinematically here kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHqaqIF7ZdRkeMk

[@Titot182]

@@gierrah kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX2yiYmQjdmAbqM

[@railfandepotproductions]

Where did you get this info from

[@moodimoss406]

NEW CHLOE VID LESS GO!!

[@sean8671]

The LOC and GS are two separate components. The LOC does not broadcast the GS signal.

[@DeaconG1959]

In addition, the localizer and glideslope are broadcast on different frequencies so there is no conflict.

[@senabecool7232]

Hey, you should do a video about the Air Canada 759 incident

[@SunriseFilms76]

This cockpit Voice recorder is cut and modified. Between the impact and crash, there were 26 seconds total, but in the CVR, it's closer to 10 seconds, meaning 16 seconds of the recording is lost. This is also too high pitched. The original was lower pitched.

[@PinotNoir_]

One or the scariest CVR I've ever heard after the Adam Air..

[@mark5862]

The DC10 had some high profiles accidents, but it's overall record is quite good for that generation of aircraft.

[@martinthoburn1089]

The DC10 was a great plane to fly on. Most of these accidents were either caused by maintenance errors (Turkish airlines and American). This one and the Air New Zealand were pilot error. United 232 was the eye opener to fatigue cracks that no one thought would happen in such a strong part of the engine.

[@marcg2106]

That cvr recording ... 😱😱😱

[@-DC-]

RIP to all that were lost.

[@ExperimentIV]

oh, also, it would be pretty cool to have the occasional community post where we could suggest incidents/disasters to you. i mean, if you’re up for it

[@renzvandenborre6538]

Was there no mentions of the sidestep manoeuvre in the NOTAMS for MMMX?

[@asmodeuso6]

Is it really the captain screaming? Because it seems to me that he tried to say something at 8:35

[@saddasish]

That CVR of the final seconds before the final impact... It's amazing enough that most CVR in aviation disasters don't involve pilots letting out screams like passengers during a terrible turbulence-they often shout words in a desperate attempt of salvation but not produce unarticulated cries of impending doom. You would think that the most chilling final words coming out of that pilot would be something like "We're gonna fucking die" or "We're done for", but instead you actually hear a series of pure uncontrollable shrieking of someone so terror-stricken by the death quickly awaiting him. The English language doesn't do it justice to describe the noises coming out of that captain to those who are hesitant to listen to it. It was seconds of pulsed shrieking that's more prominent than the impact noise in the CVR; it's as though there was passenger in the cockpit is suddenly being stabbed to death by someone as the plane was about to make the final impact. Take the "One of the more unsettling recordings to be released" warning as an understatement. I believe it's one of the most horrifying CVR publicly made available. The captain was not accepting his deadly fate at the slightest and his final cries clearly demonstrate it. Words don't describe one's own overwhelming fear of dying quite as well as the inability to produce such words from being so overwhelmed.

[@alanburge2725]

This flight this plane was doomed unfortunately. Very unlucky. Very sad. Very very sad. Condolences