Disc Golf Manufacturers Hate This

[@raddaks2039]

I was watching a video by a manufacturing expert, and his point was that design overshadows everything else when it comes to cost... by a LOT. One of the benefits of being a smaller company like you guys is that you can make design decisions that ease the complexity of manufacturing, saving you both time and money. Thanks for sharing your insight into the process! I threw your prototype midrange a few times today; I like it a lot.

[@jamesdickeson6981]

love this kind of insight into the technicalities. these plastic discs that we so often flippantly bomb at trees are actually so complicated and well thought out, building on decades of experience in manufacturing. super cool, would definitely enjoy more like this

[@lanceb7556]

I am so grateful to you and MVP for being so open about the manufacturing process.

[@theLizardof0z]

TPU.... You mean Trash Panda University? Cuz this feels like I'm back in school... 🤣

[@dannydiscgolfs96]

Thermal Poly lol

[@theLizardof0z]

@@dannydiscgolfs96 Yeah, I know what it is. #derpderp

[@dannydiscgolfs96]

You got the gist of it! There’s a lot more that comes with processing but you’ve come a long way! I’ve always posted on my socials, but if you ever need any help I’m always happy to lend some tips for the TrashPanda Gang 😎

[@kruksog]

Love you guys. I know discgolf has waned a bit over the last year or so, and I'm really rooting for you guys. Ill pickup a couple dunes soon to show my support❤

[@Twistdflinx]

I wasn't that interested until you started talking about the proto Canyon. Then I realized that I had one in my bag to look at.

[@jcapicy]

❤ Love the behind the scenes!!!

[@Stephen_Dumeyer]

"Don't quote me on that because idk if that's a thing" right after perfectly describing a Pharaoh

[@ogdiscgolfer]

Great to see you noodling with this and letting us Nerd along with you! Hope you make it to Expo South!

[@dcus55]

As you could tell by my questions at the expo… I find this is so interesting. Keep at it!

[@joebialas]

Great information. Really makes me appreciate well made discs even more. Love is tangible.

[@JohnnyFairway]

Thanks Jesse, love it My Canyon prototype had significant parting line flashing, sharp but easily emery boarded away. The bottom of the rim was just fine

[@Stereojockey]

I've been doing all the math and looking up prices of parts to design an injection molding machine and there are so many hurdles that I never even imagined. The greatest problem I see at the moment is psi overload. More psi means more high-pressure equipment which means more expensive equipment which means I need to save a bit longer... You have no idea how grateful I am that manufacturers like you and MVP are bringing us along your process for this. It is so exciting!

[@KevinJames90]

For major flashing (like in your thumbnail) you can also adjust back pressure or screw speed to help, although like you said TPU will inevitably do it (polypropylene and LDPE/LLDPE/HDPE also have a habit of doing this), but that can help it happen *slightly* less!

[@caseysmith544]

This explains why prior to 2005 when brands started making discs with the Champion/Z type plastics were more common they were not as bad on the flashing and if it disc did have flashing the issue of minor flashing was often gone after the start of the next round with only a few exceptions like in Pro/X type of plastics.

[@dannydiscgolfs96]

Not necessarily. Lowering back pressure might alleviate some of the flashing if that’s the true cause. Could also be clamp pressure, injection hold time, injection pressure. Could be flash stuck in the ejectors(if it uses them)

[@JacobPorterLadder]

@9:30 that combo is a Pharaoh and 5e opposite is the emperor

[@0qqY]

Love it! Very interesting stuff. 10 points for TrashPandoor 😂

[@dejugulators]

as an avid disc golfer and plastic scale model builder, i know all about flashing.

[@JohnRider]

Metal is far more flexible than it seems. 👍🏽

[@Ishiisan]

how much does altitude affect the manufacturing? and Proto Canyon PDGA approved yet? ;)

[@ElijahMachRisk]

Could you use a vibration grinder for flashing?

[@skylerhall10]

I’d rather have more than not enough! Life lesson while having a construction painting company… I just turned it into a life fact

[@scabbed]

Tight tolerances over at Trash Panda sheeeeh, the perfect disc 🤌

[@caseysmith544]

The brands like Innova or Prodigy do not do the thing Discraft does in their videos for lower flashing prevention first shown about the time Paul McBeth went to Discraft and this is why Innova can have when molds need to be either retooled or redone from a 3D cad program is that Innova discs especially in the midrange on up that have more of the Concave and Convex rims can have more lower flashing the brand refuses to remove from the bottom.

[@dannydiscgolfs96]

Yeah. You’re way off lol

[@jeremybensley]

I believe the scientific term is 'RUD' - Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly

[@Theblack_bandit]

What is a moderate rating to get a sponsor from you guys?

[@jaywashua]

🙄

[@Its_me_3333]

I think we’ve learned this off season that it takes A LOT more than a rating to get sponsored nowadays

[@jakerothert3000]

Take a look at cryogenic deburr

[@Rbajter]

In Swedish flashing is known as ”casting beard” (gjutskägg). 😁

[@erikfickey5033]

👍

[@caseysmith544]

The only bigger brand that does not have flashing is the 3D Printed Disc golf discs from NSH disc brand as even the now expensive remakes of the limited production Vibram discs will have some flashing from the way the oil based rubber is vacuumed into the mold. There might be a few other brands that make 3D printed discs but in so small of numbers basically the minimum numbers per model to get approved and keep making said minimum numbers they are not really even a brand.

[@BurntBanana]

Hi Jesse at Trash Panda

[@henrikbeushausen4408]

What do you think the future holds for cnc manufactured discs? Mold consistency? Costs vs press machines? No flashing?

[@dannydiscgolfs96]

CNC machines are already used in the tooling side of mold making and finishing

[@arr64lima63]

Polyester- or polyether-based TPU?

[@peterandersin]

I think BOOM! is scientific enough.

[@Its_me_3333]

Whatever Discraft does I’m gonna have to say they are THE BEST at handling flashing. MVP is amazing, one of my favorite and most bagged brand, but even if that took they been annoying me with some flashing issues lately Also, idk what happened but the parting line flashing on my Canyon is kinda horrendous but the disc is super fun

[@HansTheGeek]

You probably never had a royal line disc in your hands, right?

[@Its_me_3333]

@ nope! Are they manufactures or is that just a line in another companies disc lineup

[@HansTheGeek]

@@Its_me_3333 it’s a line from l64 with the grace being the most known disc. The dd version is called supreme. There is zero flashing on those discs and they feel amazing.

[@Its_me_3333]

@@HansTheGeek I’m a dummy 😂 yes yes I used to through a royal grace! Still have some on the rack actually I would agree. Top notch production but from a company AS A WHOLE… across every plastic they make, I have found no one more consistent than Discraft… but my opinion

[@EMichaelBall]

Have you considered making plastic baskets?

[@CMTeamCobra]

You are getting a lot of flashing because you are using a 220 ton machines on a 8-9" disc with most of its surface area parallel to pull, you would need a minimum of a 250 ton machine by standard injection mold calculations. Not knowing optimal machine setting and poor mold design can contribute also. Stating that you are just going to get flashing on a part like that is not correct. Running a hot runner system with outer injection as you competition is using would cure a lot of issues also. (20+ year Injection Mold Engineer/ Tool and Die machinist)

[@Stradivarius6288]

When wracking my brain for a scientific way to say BOOM, my mind went to spontaneous dental hydroplosion because of the "plosion" ending I'm sure.. thank you for the opportunity to remember a scene from The Office.

[@ox4df5h6g5ff]

Where can I buy the Barney Ozone 🥲🥺🥺 pls