Discover Why Ark's Ascended Breeding is Completely Broken!

[@HabbaBabbaPanda]

Alot of people confused still so ill try to give another way to represent the change 1 point equals 100 health in this example so a dino with 20 points into health would have 2000 health We also know thatva mutation is equal to a 2 point boost so 1 mutation into health would actual be an additional 200 health So you can start with a dino that TAMES out at 20 points into health or 2000 health Now say you mutate that dino 10 times into health giving you 20 base plus 10 mutations which as previously stated gives 2 points per mutaion forba total of 40(20base+10mut)points into health or 4000 health But then you tame a new dino with 30 points base health or 3000 health You can now breed that base into your line and the 10 mutations you already got will now add to the new base giving you 30base+10mut for a total of 50 points into health or 5000 health So by taming a higher health base you jump up 10 extra levels whithout having to remutate the new higher base health dino In other words the mutations are retro active hope this clears some things up

[@HabbaBabbaPanda]

It's important to understand that base points and mutation points are counted swperatr now. Originally 40 points was just 40 point period but in my above example it is now 20+20(10mutations=20points) So you can change the base number with a higher base while keeping the the mutations with again using above example you can jump the the points by using a higher base ie. 30+20(10mutations=20points)

[@lucablake2851]

Soo it work like old ark nice

[@MoIds0]

​@@lucablake2851I'm 100% sure people who say this have 0 clue how to perfect breed 😂

[@lucablake2851]

@@MoIds0 it doesnt change soo much and thats single player most of things are different on official.

[@lucablake2851]

@@MoIds0 and i got that bit of hours and made that "bit" private breed to know what im saying lol

[@chikalikedis8170]

so basically what this means is theres no need for you to breed a bunch of good base hp stegos to get a mutation, instead u can breed a bunch of low base hp stegos and if they get a mutation you can breed it with the good base hp stego and youll get a baby with good base and the mutation

[@gb76231]

ppl usualy breeded the top hp with a bunch of lvl 1 or 5 females until the hp mutated

[@RedxThexBoss]

correct

[@alexjavier9671]

then how is this new? its the same sht that i used to do 4 years ago

[@wuzzle5261]

​@@alexjavier9671 If Red is correct, imagine a scenario where you have bred up an army of health stegos with say 25 base points in HP and you have 20 HP mutations. You tame a stego with 30 base points in HP, you can now breed that 30 base points with the 20 hp mutations and get the higher 30 base + 20 mutation. Essentially, the base points and the mutation points are separate values, when before they were combined. Before, in the same scenario, 30 base health mated with 25 base + 20 hp mutations would result in either 30 base health or 25 base + 20 hp mutations.

[@RedxThexBoss]

its new, read to the comments some people explain it better than me but in short you can get a melee mutation on a low level giga right? lets say a level 5 giga now it has melee mutation, you take that giga breed it with a high level giga that you want to transfer that melee mutation too and you can. im not talking about how in ase you just would breed a 225 giga with 100s of level 5s and hope to get a mutation on the high level giga over the low level one. now it doesnt matter which one gets the mutation cause you can just re-breed and pass it down. hope that makes sense@@alexjavier9671

[@wuzzle5261]

So hold up, it basically picked the higher base value and then basically added a "mutated=yes" value to it? That streamlines so much about the process, wow.

[@graphite7473]

That's actually exactly how it worked in ASE, just so you know. A baby could always inherit a stat mutation from one parent and the actual base stat it gets applied to from the other parent. Likewise a new mutation can appear on say the mothers side, despite the baby getting the father's stat (plus the extra points from the mutation). How do I know this? I have over 8000 hours in Ark.. and I have bred just thousands of almost every kind of dino. At one point you could ask us for a specific color region combination, and we would make you one with all our best stats in those colors.

[@PetersExcapades]

keep these videos COMING brother! definitely earned my sub!

[@RedxThexBoss]

Thanks you the MVP

[@brandon-xu5pb]

keep making content this was super easy to understand and well done without making a 30 minute video on it. Well done.

[@jmiogo]

Huge difference. Mutations carry on top of any base stat now. No need to wait for a perfect base pair.

[@spottedot]

Tiia's video is causing a lot of confusion because she doubled back on herself. But I think that you're right. For your video tomorrow, make a fuss about the ancestry screens and how the mutation counters would have changed if it was a new mutation instead of being inherited. Additionally, make the video with a dino with 6 color regions instead. As you know, every new mutation comes with a color mutation as well, so just to really drive the point home. Excellent testing. Looking forward to your next video.

[@RedxThexBoss]

Thanks, and Will do

[@user-rr7pq4su5w]

Just get another raptor with a random stam and show the mutation carries over and affects the stat

[@ihatehealthbars]

Tila is a clown girl

[@RedxThexBoss]

will do for 2mrws video@@user-rr7pq4su5w

[@ReadR00ster1]

I guess they changed it so that if the child got the base stats of one parent the benefit of the mutation in that stat on the other parent doesn't go to waste. I don't know what that means if you have multiple mutations of the same stat on both sides. Whether the higher number wins, or all the mutations add up? I would assume the same mutation bonus wouldn't get added more than once still.

[@CeeCeeYasuko]

Damn you're better than my teacher's explaining stuff to me when I was in school I understood completely

[@joeman123964]

hmmm i noticed this too! i actually decided to breed and stack mutations for my sabortooth (saborteeth? 😂) bunch of low levels for damage mutation. i finally got to about 16 mutations and tamed a lvl 80 with solid dmg stats and basically added the mutations onto that one. helped out cause the taming timers are much shorter etc with low levels

[@_The_God_King_]

Yeah man Tiia threw me for a ride of emotions the other day. But with your test group having such different base stats its easy to see the mutation stack seperate from the base stack. The only thing tho is I wish instead of inventory stats you showed the Tek Binocular ui stats to show that 11/1/0 on that Baby. I feel like Tiia realized something but backed off due to how much time people might lose if the info was false when someone gave her a plausible explanation. I might have to jump into creative and run some tests to see if yoo can spawn in tamed dinos with specific stat distributions for base and mutated. This would change things alot tho. it incentivizes breeders to keep taming in the hopes of high statted rolls. IF the base stack and the mutation stack are independent itll be important to have the binoculars if your base stats arent uniform amongst your breeders bc their levels will be all over the place lol

[@RedxThexBoss]

i have another video coming out later showing more on this. i tested it over and over getting the same result every time

[@RedxThexBoss]

she was right at 1st idk why she switched up, i think she might have confused her self or over looked something

[@_The_God_King_]

@@RedxThexBossSweet man i look forward to it. Ill probs mess around a bit tomorrow myself as well.

[@_The_God_King_]

Now that Im looking at it again I think she removed her second video walking back the initial claim.

[@kuiperdasniper]

All this did was make wild tames with high base still relevant after breeding has begun, instead of a final decision that is lost once the line has started. This is good. It just takes the higher of whatever you throw at it. Thank goodness.

[@Gnomaana]

All this means is the mutation breeds separately from the stat itself. It's not "broken". Just a new way to do it. Basically ignore everything but the 2nd number while you are stacking mutations and after you reach the target mutation number breed that into a really nice tame.

[@Seducier]

Yep. It's nice

[@itsyano1277]

No dawg, the raptor got the fathers stam Stat and a mutation on top of that. Very cool that they now show you those stat values tho😂

[@RedxThexBoss]

sorry but you're wrong, i bred 10 more raptors and all the same

[@itsyano1277]

"Patrilineal" means from father. Therefore, the original mutation is on the fathers stamina stat. Seeing as the raptor has all the exact same stats from the father, except stamina, it should be level 35 from the single mutation. There must be a 2nd hidden or wasted mutation somewhere in there. You failed to show the parents of the female raptor with the so called mutation. If it's father was the raptor with 11 points in stamina, that means it got a patrilineal mutation on stamina but did not carry it over. That mutation then got passed on the baby on the fathers higher stamina and was ghost-duplicated as is why the offspring is level 37, not 35. It's literally the same system as ASE. Mutation on father side of 315 stamina, baby gets fathers stamina with mutation from mother side that originally came from 'grandfather' so to speak

[@RedxThexBoss]

i didnt fail to show it actually, you pause at 0:59 where it says mutations on the box there would be a 1. to compare it pause again at 1:00 . i have a video coming up 2mrw where i breed a ton of dodos and i keep doing the same thing i did in this video. no way 10 raptors all by luck got a random health mutation right?@itsyano1277

[@Czermet666]

To simplify, so the mutations are not locked to the mutated parent's stat? So rather than inheriting the mutated stat total, you can inherit the either base stat + the mutations added separately.

[@thomasdevlin5825]

Wait, did they not disable cryopods? I heard people talking about how they wouldn't be coming to ASA, but from the sounds of things it was only going to be for the first few days, maybe even that was just for official though. That is good because the implications for breeding was the one thing I was worried about if we didn't have cryopods in ASA, I remember on one of my island saves I had a cryo fridge completely full of breeder dinos, if you had to keep them all out in the open I don't think mass scale breeding would even be worth it unless it was just for a single creature

[@RedxThexBoss]

Mods has them, they been in the game maybe since day 2 or 3

[@zerocharisma573]

@@RedxThexBoss do most servers use the mod?

[@user-zl1vf4me1p]

@@zerocharisma573 Some unoffi servers do, if that's your question, and also now console players will be able to use mods as well

[@RedxThexBoss]

yes besides the official servers@@zerocharisma573

[@donkeyjoe4782]

question, if I have 10 females and one male and 2 of the babies come out with a heatlh mutation, can we now add those 2 together then add the resulting 2x health mutated baby to my already 10x mutated dino?

[@RedxThexBoss]

as of now it seems that way, i will do more testing for 2mrws video and clear up all questions

[@akario973]

Ok I see so mutations are actually separate now while in ASE mutations were simply +2 levels to a random base stat plus 1 random color change for a region now they are separate to the base level essentially they are bonus levels and don't fuse with base stat meaning mutations can't be lost now right? so essentially that new raptor rolled the father's stamina which was higher but since mutations are bonus levels now not base it carried over and gave +2 levels to stam on top of base from the father. I imagine its still a chance roll for which stat it pulls for the newborn or does it guarantee to pull the higher stat? Did I get all this right or em I still lost? 😂

[@RedxThexBoss]

you nailed it! but yeah still a chance you get the other stat but at least the mutation does go to waste

[@schizellepi8180]

so basically what i got from this was that mutations are transferable, but can u transfer mutations from two dinos that have mutations in the same stat

[@Juvi4309]

Might be a weird question and a bit of word vomit so sorry in advance lol: But you know when you have a line for one stat (lets say melee) and you lay hundreds of eggs to get that next mutation for that stat? Usually you’d just trash any mutated eggs for stats that weren’t for that line (lets say you got a single health mutation when you’re 20 melee mutations in) but does this change let you add that previously unwanted mutation onto another line or would the other mutated stat still just muddy something up? Can I add that one odd health mutation on my health line (lets say 10 muts in to add up to 11) or does the other stat still interfere too much (31 Mutations total thus making the 10/11 health harder to continue since you pass the 20 mark?). Im on console so just curious if it’s gotten this dissected yet? Might be too soon to get that far yet but thought it worth a try to ask? Thank you

[@RedxThexBoss]

I'm not to sure as I'm still testing things out, i have a video coming out 2mrw and I'll see if i can test this.

[@AK_Death_Metal]

so correct me if i have this wrong...... from memory, in ASE if u had 2 dinos and one had 3000 hp and one had 1500 u would either get 3000 hp or 1500 regardless of the previous mutations on the lower hp? becoz the stats were combined to calculate the breed regardless of the mut counter, it was just the highest stat passed on (even tho mut might also transfer without stat increase).... if u got a mutation on the high hp 3000 it would go to 3200 or whatever.... in ASA difference now is, if the 1500 dino has 2 health mut already (1100 base + 400 from 2x 200 mut), it passes to the high stat automatically.... aka instead of small chance to mut to 3200, u now guarantee to get 3400 so less breed cycles waiting for mutations randomly and just guaranteed mut transfer even in the trash low level dino?

[@tdawgg6561]

so you're telling me, if i get my hands on a super duper megatribe supreme wooly rhino with 255 points in melee and health, disregarding the level cap, I'm not gonna have to mess with getting the good stats, because the mutation will always get paired with the good stat??

[@undauntable6456]

So dose this mean for example, if we had a perfect pair of rexs (all equal stats) and they had a baby with a melee mutation. Once we breed that mutated rex, its offspring would have a 100% chance of being born with the mutation too?

[@Kano443]

So basically breeding a line to max stats should take less time now right?

[@thomasdevlin5825]

Also, if you can see the amount of points put into a creature with the tek binoculars, is that something you can check at any time? in ASE I would always write the initial stats of a breeder down on a note so that I could level them and still reference the base stats at any time

[@RedxThexBoss]

yes you can see them at any time with the tek binoculars

[@azuretn5923]

What if like the mother had +2 on hp and the father had +4? will it turn to +6 on the baby?

[@RedxThexBoss]

I made another video about this where i clear up your question

[@zeztox]

So correct me if im wrong. You say if i get a 50 points hp tuso. i then breed a tuso that has 20 points hp and 10 mutations, which makes it 40 points hp, if i breed the two together, i will now have 70 points in hp on my original tuso?

[@Rainacles]

that is actually wild, but W vod

[@anoopsakkaria6071]

is there cryopods in ASA?

[@Stevensoto98]

I’m on console what do I activate to see the stats like that?

[@ShubhsGamingHub]

I would say it's not broken, but it's fixed.

[@Concret3Cowboy]

Good video.. ark always surprises me with the dudes that will die on a hill being ignorant (prime example in these comments). Video is easy to understand

[@RedxThexBoss]

my Brain hurts trying to explain my results in experimenting, I bred the raptor 10 times and got the same result

[@Concret3Cowboy]

@@RedxThexBoss a mutation isn’t tied to a stat. It’s tired to the creature carrying the mutation that can be added into a higher stat from another parent. Very useful video and now I’ll breed every level I have and stack mutations without caring about level. Especially being on the island we’re levels are crap.. very useful

[@Shadow_Dragon55]

Wondering what's a good setting for baby mature speed etc now, I have an issue with them crowing up too fast for me to get to imprint on them or being forced to wait 8+ hours

[@BizcuitsNGravy]

use beacon. It helps you mess with settings in it without having to test it yourself.

[@Shadow_Dragon55]

@@BizcuitsNGravy Playing non dedicated I'm not hosting an actual server.

[@liveuk]

Mutations are a boost percent breed base first clean no muts then take away the ones you do not want with a level 1. Then breed to mutate, never breed a mut with a mut

[@kimkto]

so dinos are not passing stats but they passing mutations ?

[@RedxThexBoss]

yes in short

[@kimkto]

@@RedxThexBoss thats a good news mate, keep it up

[@RedxThexBoss]

Thank you! Glad I could help@@kimkto

[@xwx8037]

so if i have a lvl 5 dino with a melee mutation and breed it with another dino that has a high melee stat, it will give the mutation to that higher lvl stat? making it have even better melee?

[@MoxieGamess]

Yes you could theoretically start mutation breeding with a crap level Dino, and get all the mutations you want until you get a wild Dino you want to give those mutations to. Then breed them and pass the low levels mutations to the high level one. Also means if you are mutation breeding and find a wild Dino with one more base point into the stat it’s worth breeding them as you don’t start back over with mutations, they will add onto the new stat as they count separately

[@xwx8037]

@@MoxieGamess yeah so you can pretty much get free levels into dinos by passing mutations on to higher stat ones

[@lukethwaites8523]

I wanna be able to be a good breeder but half the time this stuff goes right over my head 😂

[@RedxThexBoss]

It can be very confusing but once you get it, you get it lol

[@bigshotcj1966]

As the level of pre tame increases the % you get for each level increases with it, level 20 put 1 point in get 2 added melee level 120 put 1 point in get 20 added melee, its a little more complex than your explanation here tries to explain.

[@Godemode_Andy_Live]

Gonna watch a couple of times

[@RedxThexBoss]

I Feel you on that one, i got another video coming out 2mrw where i explain it better and show much examples

[@swatmax10]

If this was true dinos with over 1 mill mutations would be unstoppable. So don’t think you are right

[@nickybeingnicky]

Your pop noise is just a lil loud my guy.

[@RedxThexBoss]

i ll work on it, thanks for the heads up

[@RedxThexBoss]

bubble pop you're talking about right?

[@noback91]

Don’t breed like this mix all your Dino’s in to two perfect match levels and stats, get a bunch of females 0/0 and breed one male to them and swap it with muts

[@michaelc5722]

No it took the fathers Stam and got mutated from 315 to 345, an increase of 30 stam, there’s nothing new here, if it got the mothers stam but it was mutated it would of gone from 195 stam to 225 also an increase of 30 stam, old news mate

[@RedxThexBoss]

Okay if you look at 1:11 i didnt get any extra mutation, i kept breeding over and over and i have a bunch of raptors that keep popping out with the 345 melee when i breed the 315 with the 195, either im super lucky or the lower stat mutation can now be passed on to the higher stat

[@ChrisVolzke]

Another creator tried to say the same thing yesterday. Do more testing show better results

[@RedxThexBoss]

I tested it 10 times got the same result. i can make another video on it showing my 10 raptors all with the 345 stam@@ChrisVolzke

[@ChrisVolzke]

​@RedxThexBoss don't do it for me, do it for your community. I'm willing to be wrong if the information looks legit. But your baby you showcased, on the binoc view it looks very blurry and the mut pts look like a 2. I checked the lineage on the tames you showed and they seem to add up, but the creator I argued with yesterday realized she got another instant mut into the same stat without realizing. Given how broken the game is still idk if anything works the way it is intended Sadly I play console so I can't do my own work yet

[@RedxThexBoss]

I'm doing more testing atm I will up update everyone @@ChrisVolzke

[@rightdamask8705]

Sick discovery!

[@Ian-ie3hy]

thats not broken...the baby took the higher stat AND the mutation...easy explanation

[@lip_736]

But it was always like this ?

[@yeahman147]

My dumbass assuming I'll learn something new

[@AceKurd]

So exactly the same thing in ASE

[@RedxThexBoss]

No its not. Before you needed to get the mutation on the higher stat dino. Example, lets say you have a level 5 Raptor with a melee mutation its overall melee is 20 now lets say you breed it with a 225 raptor with 300 melee, you can pass that melee mutation from that level 5 raptor to the 225 raptor making it have a melee mutation and a stat of 315 now. Before you would have to directly get the mutation on the higher level raptor. Now you don’t

[@AceKurd]

@@RedxThexBoss thank you

[@caseyscarb]

I saw someone else post this same thing then they retracted and basically said they just got lucky and the new one just got the same mutation

[@RedxThexBoss]

but wouldnt i have 2 mutations in that case?@@caseyscarb

[@OldManLoxx]

you do. the mutation count on the offspring is 2. @@RedxThexBoss

[@MindGames_187]

It’s not man lol. Check any mutations vid from ASE, and iv mainly bred my self personally in ASE, it’s nothing new

[@RedxThexBoss]

It is, read the comments. or watch my next video on it. i explain it a little better

[@bunnyprowler]

So nothing changed from the previous system, got it.

[@RedxThexBoss]

Wrong, You can boost your stats a lot easier now. before if you got a mutation on a trash dino it was a waste. now you can take that trash dino and apply the mutation stat increase to a good dino. hope you understand it

[@thomasdevlin5825]

Mutations are added independently of the base stats now, before it simply increased the base stats. Say you start with 24 points into your rex's health in ASE, then through mutations you bump their health stat up to 40, later on down the line you're flying around and you spot a freak of nature with 30 points into health, but since your rexes already have 40 points taming it wouldn't do any good because you now have rexes with higher base health, so you either ignore it because you're done breeding, or if you really want that higher health stat for boss runs or something you would have to start a brand new breeding line from scratch. But now an ASA you can tame that rex, breed it with one of your mutated rexes and just add 8 mutations onto it. In other words you don't even have to worry about stats at all when breeding if you don't want to (unless you're just breeding for the imprinting bonus), if you want to you could tame the two lowest levels you can find to save on time and resources, stack mutations onto them, then when you find a really high level with the base stats you want breed them with you mutated dino and get all of their accumulated mutations at once

[@bunnyprowler]

@@thomasdevlin5825 can you inbreed and accumulate the mutations like that?

[@bunnyprowler]

@@RedxThexBoss ok I got it, sorry.

[@bunnyprowler]

@@thomasdevlin5825 thanks for the explanation

[@watermonkey408]

pues lo mismo que en el anterior

[@Blue-bn3xu]

ur still gonna breed the same way arent you tho? U use low lvl females and a high male and u wanna get the muta on the male. Nothing changed...?

[@RedxThexBoss]

there is a change so before you needed to get the mutation on the high level dino. now you can get the mutation on the low level dino and re-breed and pass the mutation stat to the higher level one. its hard to understand, sorry if its not clear enough

[@KSMusic541]

@@RedxThexBoss Its the same you just have to get the stat doesn't matter the level

[@HabbaBabbaPanda]

No it isn't the same example say a tame has base 10 points into health and got 5 mutations into health it would be 10+5, you then can breed with a non mutated with base 20 health and if it gets the base 20 it will now be 20+5 boostjng up the health meaning you can start doing mutations before getting best stats because you can come back later with a better base dino and work it's base stats into your line

[@RedxThexBoss]

omg you understood it perfectly!! did I do a bad job explaining it?@@HabbaBabbaPanda

[@KSMusic541]

@@HabbaBabbaPanda So your saying it gains both health stats instead of just taking the higher stat ?

[@user-rr7pq4su5w]

This is absolutely no different than ASE. Go get another dino and show the mutation actually boosts the stat above what you had. ASE the side of the mutation was never related to the stats it inherited. Nothing different here.

[@RedxThexBoss]

Stay tuned for 2mrws video. I will try to make it as simple as i can. If you read the comments some people explain it better than me

[@MindGames_187]

exactly what i was thinking watching this, he must have not bred in ase haaa

[@RedxThexBoss]

Too Bad this is new, idky you guys have a hard time understanding new mechs@@MindGames_187

[@cobydoes186]

Nothing changed

[@TheRealGerman935]

this guy never breeded in ase and used dododex it seems xD

[@RedxThexBoss]

Lol Sure. If you Can't understand the info I'm showing you, just ask questions instead of trying to clown me because you don't understand something thats a NEW mech in the game. This wasnt in ase

[@TheRealGerman935]

@RedxThexBoss well im clowning u bcs the point system is not new and u maybe should look gor more info b4 u put a video out bcs u cant breed mutation into stats ;) u might wanna test some more before claiming things

[@3d_Prophecies]

​@@TheRealGerman935hes a know it all

[@RedxThexBoss]

read the comments why do people see it as new then? you just arent understanding. you might wanna know what you're talking about before you try to clown someone for helping others understand new mechs. You my friend is the one who doesnt know how the breeding mechs worked in ase if you think you were able to pass low level dino mutations to a high level to increase its mutation stat it got from the low level. example i have a level 7 dodo with a melee mutation, i breed it with a 225 dodo that has 300 melee, the baby now has 300+ melee higher than the parent! you see how thats different?@@TheRealGerman935

[@TheRealGerman935]

@@RedxThexBoss it has already been debunked brother im sorry to be the messenger

[@jjlitt870]

Dude next time you make a video about mutations at least do it properly with perfect zero zero parents

[@FrogwareCheats]

best video ever 🥰🥰😍😍😍😍

[@taimanchan9380]

It is not nroken . They intend to do it this way to shorten the life of this game so peole will just quit soon.

[@rabeiabdallah6146]

Information video with no information on it 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RedxThexBoss]

wym? this is new. its just hard to understand, you have to pay attention carefully

[@rabeiabdallah6146]

@@RedxThexBoss infos from ase

[@RedxThexBoss]

its not the same. its just hard to understand. You can boost your stats a lot easier now. before if you got a mutation on a trash dino it was a waste. now you can take that trash dino and apply the mutation stat increase to a good dino. Before you needed to get the mutation on dino you wanted it on, now it doesnt matter which dino you get the mutation on because you can just breed the mutation onto the dino you want@@rabeiabdallah6146

[@user-zl1vf4me1p]

Didn't watched the video, oviraptors, that's it you don't even need to be there to perma breed lmaooooooooo