Discovering Why I Love Persona 5: A Retrospective Journey

[@henriquebarreto4552]

"So what's with Japan and handhelds?" That's actually a good quetion i myself was curious about it and went to look it. It's because their downright inhumane work hours portable games are just more convenient for them where you can have short bursts of gameplay during commute and breaks

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Oh thats so sad, i couldnt imagine not having time to enjoy games

[@zuch127]

Found this channel through KH and honestly, there’s so many videos I wanna watch. It’s like 4am but fuck it, we going for the ride on this one lol. Always love long videos on my favourite game/franchise

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Glad i could deliver so well

[@juniper1350]

ryuji is literally so bf... and bi. I love him and I wish we could date him.

[@ClexPlay]

What in the entire game shows he’s bi

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@ClexPlay his energy his vibes his fucking fasion sense. Theres a lot to this stuff more then just stating very roboticly "i am bisexual"

[@Hyp3rSonic]

I know i commented on this video like, 1 year ago, but i think you definitely deserve way more subs! So i subbed! ❤️❤️❤️

[@kitlandslot9887]

Sorry to be that annoying person, but Ann's ability to randomly distract demons for a turn works regardless of the gender of the demon. In fact in my playthroughs she charmed the lady demons way more than the dude ones lmao.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

In my playthrough it was only male codes ones, i think the description say it too. I could be wrong though

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@ThinkBoxChrisshe did that for both male and females ones in my playthroughs 🤔

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@Hyp3rSonic i swear in one of the games it says male demonds i wouldnt have made that point unless it was there

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@ThinkBoxChriswhat were you talking about? It was different in the other games? I'm confused

[@robbegeusens1302]

There is quite a big difference between gamefreak and atlus being that one owns the largest media franchise in the world and the other is a relatively much smaller company with nowhere near that income. Yes some of these things like lack of voice acting in social links and some lacking animations are annoying. At the end of the day they had a limited budget which no doubt will be higher for the next game in the series, considering the ammount of money and fame the studio got from p5. I have a way larger issue with the day 1 DLC Atlus does for every game they own.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Im aware theres a big difference between the two but p4 golden dold gangbusters wnen it came out, and a simple turning animation is all im asking for. No studio does it these days. Hell in kingdom hearts donsld and mickey just jump and spin mid air, which is cute but still obviously weird. As for the dlc i can agree thats annoying

[@robbegeusens1302]

@@ThinkBoxChris I wasn't saying that I wouldn't like the animation to be added I was just saying the comparison wasn't all that good when considering the size of pokemon, vs persona. $1 billion, with half of that coming from p5 alone, vs $88 billion, where the latter doesn't even have voice acting or anwhere near the ammount of polish in it's recent titles as p5 did.

[@franklinking5403]

KINGDOM HEARTS + PERSONA 5

[@ThinkBoxChris]

I mean i love that idea but what brought that up?

[@crimsonapollo1]

This is perfect timing I actually just beat yaldaboath in persona 5 royal

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Oh awseome! Glad it lined up that way

[@crimsonapollo1]

Yeah me too! Great video as well btw

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Thanks i really appreciate it, this was a massive year long endeavor i wanted done like in August

[@crimsonapollo1]

@ThinkBox Chris well your work really payed off

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Thank you i really appreciate that

[@Ninja07Keaton]

In truth, the average model starts at the age of 16. Whatever your thoughts of Ann's design, it's actually realistic. Your issues are with the modeling industry, not the artists.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Or, anr this is a radical idea, i have issues with both.

[@Ninja07Keaton]

@@ThinkBoxChris Maybe, but that doesn't change what I'm telling you.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@Ninja07Keaton they didn't have to make her a model, remove that aspect of her character and nothing of my point changes. Its still weird to have her dressed posed and done that way

[@Ninja07Keaton]

@@ThinkBoxChris You've played the game yourself. Many females enjoy feeling attractive, I know my cousins certainly did at that age, but I digress. More to the point, Persona 5 is a tale of tricksters. The story needed a character whose outward appearance was efficient at misdirection. Seduction has been a long standing tool for theft and assassination. Of course, I play fighting games, so perhaps I don't give too much thought on this regard because many female character designs in fighting games are more obscene than Ann by a considerable margin. Her entire character is centered around her looks due to being quarter American, not a "pure"Japanese as it were. You're correct, they didn't need to make Ann a model, but why put extra work into justifying her role alternatively when writing her as a model gives the desired result with much less effort? Another thing of note is that after Kamoshida, Ann is shown to be the one in control of those following moments, a very important detail that often goes overlooked. She's never portrayed as helpless, as those who made the mistake of taking her at face value would discover in the worst way possible.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@Ninja07Keaton i really don't care how you want to phrase it shes 16 in a runner suit thy high boots with her tits out and brandishing a bull whip... thats not ok like flat out. Shes over sextualed as a 16 year old. Put this in collage where their like 20 and this problem goes away because its not a minor

[@bagon_the_bacon]

I have played all Persona games(mainline not spinoffs) and P5 definitely has the best gameplay out of any other game.But the best story and characters are in my opinion reserved for P2 innocent sin (seriously the story is wild mainly because of funny sunglass man)

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Ive never played 2 so i cznt comment on it but that does sound intresting

[@bagon_the_bacon]

@@ThinkBoxChris oughto I love the story of P2 the gameplay for me is atrocious and slow I wouldn't recommend

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@bagon_the_bacon thats fair hopefully 1 and 2 get the 3 remake treatment

[@bagon_the_bacon]

@@ThinkBoxChris Yeah cause let's be honest they needed it a lot mote

[@ChiangKai-Shrek]

Kinda wondering what you think of Persona 3 Reload now that it's out

[@ThinkBoxChris]

I havent really seen much of it my friends gonna let me borrow it, i also didnt play any version of 3 so id hsve nothing to compare it too besides 5 of that makes sense

[@Hyp3rSonic]

I love Persona 3 Reload!

[@divertedgamer1050]

I've just beaten my first playthrough on this game on switch so Im gonna enjoy this video.😊

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Awseome thanks, and glad you enjoyed the game too

[@divertedgamer1050]

​@@ThinkBoxChris I will be sure to watch the rest of the stuff, once I have beaten an all max confidant playthrough and as well as beaten strikers. And idk about the dancing game as it seems to be not on switch but overall on I have watched. Its very good video. Looking forward to more content like this if possible.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

That makes complete sense, gotta love that chapter system huh. And can you elaborate on what you mean by videos like this? The length, the depth, an all in one stop kinda thing, or just a positive video on a topic?

[@divertedgamer1050]

@@ThinkBoxChris It's mainly a mixed. Love that you didn't hold back on the criticism of the game and what they fix on royal. How in depth you go to each part of the game but being very focused and don't go making a point bigger than it needs to be. And how different the game is once you finish your first playthrough, about how replayable and how not replayable it is. It may sound weird but I love it when the things I love get constructive criticism as it means the people love the same things I love. One day. I will play all of the Persona 5 series of games and will watch this video in one sitting like a very good movie. I'm thinking of getting strikers but it depends as I am doing my first new game plus max confidant run and I am doing my first playthrough of persona 3 portable. So alot of persona content I'm doing. Though, Strikers digital deluxe is on sale right now. What do you think I should do?

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Thank you thats exsactly what i was going for and it makes my heart just sore hearing that from someone. I say go for strikers now while its on sale i adore that game to bits and even like it better than royal for its combat and characters, thats only if you can afford it dont break the bank on the word of a rando haha

[@jmurray1110]

Strikers can get really tedious with that platinum I know that I exclusively spammed jokers infinite ammo gun special for 3 entire playthrough so I could basically not use SP because of how infuriating it is when the team whines about being low Eternal bonds needs to chill

[@thewingedcheetahwolf2615]

1:13:16 Ahh yes, another Ryuji x Protagonist shipper. Very cultured indeed...

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Thank you, i actually like joker and Mishima more but i know its popular in the fandom so i went with pirate boy

[@Hyp3rSonic]

I think that the tentacles was intentional, since her personas ARE based on stuff like lovecraftian. But it it MIGHT be a hentai reference, but it's not weird fetish stuff imo.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Its not a weird fetush to me, i dont really care what people are into on a case by case basis. Its the uwu gamer girlfriend thing with the short shorts but long shirt thing and the shy akward girl nextdoor thing ALONG with the henti thing. Thats why i said "ala d. Va" its her outfit choices i mostly take umbrage with

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​@@ThinkBoxChris you are the only that said on the internet that Futuba is sexualized. Also, funny that we have the opposite opinions about Ann's and hers sexualization(Ann being sexy is good works for character and isn't just "fanservice"

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Its implicit sexualization plus its just the internets weird fascinating with her kind of character, ive seen a lot of similar characters be horned after so its just my brain being ew by association, but im nor wrong in what ive said thus far. As for on its not out of character for her to be a model or you know be an attractive 16 year old and her school outfits winter outfits and even summer outfits all feel like something i could see her wearing. But as a sextual assult victim and having a friend who tried to literally drop dead as a result of sextual assult her phantom outfit is still gross to me. Why is she in what looks to be rubber why are her tits out why the bull whip? None of that is ok, her age is a factor but mostly its her situation that got her into being a PT in the first place being, well that and thr outfit being that sexy is something no ine thought of beyond "taking back my power" when realistically she'd be in therspy and her theif outshit should have a big coat like jokers so she can feel more comfortable since shes not on display

[@Hyp3rSonic]

​​@@ThinkBoxChris What implicint sexualization? Or am I going crazy? Also, I can see both sides of the arguments. Nice to see we respectfully disagree.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Like I said the odd short short long sleeve combo thing the tenticals the way she really leans inro the gamer girl next-door thing. Idk maybe im reading to much into it since shes quite literally niave to the world so im trying to be mire protective but that could just be me. And i agree im glad its more of a "i see it but i also get it" kinda thing

[@themacaronihedgehog7573]

Found It funny how your favourite phantom thief Is my least favourite and your least favourite phantom thief Is my favourite. No hate or anything, Just got a kick out of It. Also really Impressive video btw, hope this channel get's more recognition.

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Huh that is funny, do you mind if i ask why that is? I just like asking people these questions. And me too my friend, if you've got friends who are inro this sorta thing please send it there way ever bit helps

[@themacaronihedgehog7573]

​@@ThinkBoxChris In all honesty, I'd say none of the Phantom Thieves are actually bad characters whatsoever. They're fun to dissect, understand and Interact with. The only character I'd say that I completely fell off with after their Introduction arc and wasn't Interested In the slightest would have to be Makoto. After wrapping up the Madarame arc, I got really Interested In which direction the game was going to go In next, and when Makoto came to the stage I got really Interested In what they were going to do with her. That scene with Sae lashing out at Makoto still has a lot of Impact to this day and Is probably one of my favourite scenes character wise, but that's beside the point. As the Kaneshiro arc progressed, I started to grow really attached to this character and thought that I understood why people loved her so much, but then something started to make Itself very apparent. The game, for whatever reason, had this strange obsession with ramming Into your face how smart and perfect Makoto Is, which got obnoxious for me really fast. But hey, I'm not gonna write off her character Just for that, so I thought to myself "Maybe It's her Social Link! Maybe that's why people like her! " and so I started her social link and... I think It might hold the record for one of the most boring social links In the series for me personally. It felt like they created this really cool character that they were super proud of but forgot that this character also needed an actual social link, so they cobbled together one In like a month's time before release and hoped It would suffice. Making 70% of the social link basically have NOTHING to do with her whatsoever sort of Just killed a lot of my Interest for the character since the story didn't really do her any favours after the Kaneshiro arc, other than the game constantly reminding you "Btw, Makoto Is smart." Another think I wanted to comment on, although minor, Is how badly the fandom has butchered the perception of her Into a complex and unique character to "I want the protagonist In my bed" and It's really unfortunate. Makoto Is NOT a bad character In the slightest, she's still like a B tier character for me. Just my least favourite. I'm not sure where to begin with Yusuke, since I have so much to say about this character, so I'll try and keep It brief to stop this comment becoming longer then the video Itself. I absolutely adore how aloof and oblivious he Is to his surroundings. The Madarame arc as a whole crushed my soul when I learned what actually happened with Yusuke's mother and made me really get attached to this guy. [Also because his Awakening scene Is probably one of the best In the series] After the Madarame arc concluded, Yusuke didn't really get much of a time to shine during the whole Kaneshiro arc which Is understandable I suppose. He sort of meshed with the background and didn't really do all that much Important, which sort of made me worry at first... but then Futaba's palace came and went and Yusuke quickly became one of my favourite characters with his constant bickering with Futaba over trivial Issues. Yusuke and Futaba are such a fun duo because they perfectly bounce off of each other due to how socially Inept and quirky they are, which I'm honestly little surprised you didn't touch more on during the video. [I understand though, the video Is already almost 2 hours and 50 minutes long.] Although, I'm not gonna call you wrong about how useless his social link reward can be. I think I used It a maximum of 3 times In my entire playthrough? Maybe 4? Afterwards, I never touched It ever again. This wasn't really a problem for me In the end because his social link story kept me hooked right off the bat and I was really curious as to where they were going to take It. Every rank up with Yusuke was really entertaining for me, because he always ends up finding a way to get himself and the protagonist In the most awkward scenario humanly possible. I would continue on more, but I don't want to end up rambling on and on and make this comment longer than the actual video, so I'll stop It here In case you're curious, here Is my ranking. I probably missed someone lmao. [Minus the protagonist] 1. Yusuke 2. Ryuji 3. Futaba 4. Akechi 5. Zenkichi 6. Haru 7. Sophia 8. Sumi 9. Ann 10. Morgana 11. Makoto

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@The Macaroni Hedgehog With makoto i found it admirable that she just wants to help people, her social link is about her wanting to stop a student getting used by someone. That slap i brought up is impacted because it shows her rather direct nature, she's got a lot of little moments of shyness and stuff like that but her drive to do whats right is so much of her that i cant help but like its simplicity. I do agree her link can be boring as most of it is just talking about the girl its about but Anns is effectively the same thing and that doesnt bother me. Come to think of it Ryuji is a bit revenge a bit helping people thing so that tracks. Yusuke on the other hand is hard to get, maybe because his story is very similar to most hero origin stories of the dead parent leaving an orphan kinda thing so i found that less impactful because its almost stock at this point. His arch about finding his passion again is something i think we all can relate to, but it feels both drawn out and rushed at the same time, i cant explain it any other way. Like they added in the guy who offered him the art deal just to padd it out, maybe im wrong on that front but hey thats just me. As for him and futaba i like it, but its not exsactly the most engadging thing since thats mostly their dynamic it doesn't evolve padt that. Futaba only got more intresting as the game went but he just didn't

[@Cameron088]

So, I wanna say something about Kawakami. I do agree that the power dynamic is indeed horrible and creepy as fuck, but the story about her being a maid to repent for what she thinks is her fault (the death of a former student) is why I love the link. I hate the people who date her and like her for the "mommy" shit, but I like her actual story ONCE she opens up to Joker. Prior, its not a good link, but once she does, I enjoy it a lot

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Oh yeah no when the game gives up the goat and is about the actual issue shes dealing with its great. Its the maid "uwu master" part i hate

[@boubayaga_]

I could swear there's a part during the Madarame arc that Yusuke says that he's gay or at least suggests he's not sexually interested in women. Like when Ann accuses him of only wanting to see her naked or smth

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Ive had to play p5 like 7 times for my big video and i can say thats nothing but subtext but god i wish it was actually said

[@ChiangKai-Shrek]

It's weird how much you like the Velvet Twins, when in my playthrough, I genuinely coukdn't care less about them. Hell, I liked Lavenza more than them tbh

[@ThinkBoxChris]

To be fair i played the game 4 times in a row to get this footage AND played royal right after so i noticed a lot of little nuances in them that go unadressed unless you go in looking for them. I love brash and bold characters and Caroline is just that lavenza is just justine with a book and i think thats boring. I want characters made up of two desperate personalities to be a mix of them. She should be more like Elizabeth and not Margaret or hell she should be more like makoto thatd be a fun parallel

[@Enwrong_]

Now do one on P4

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Haha well first off thanks for telling me you like this in so few words but also i havent played any version of 4 or 3 so im kinda not sure how id do it. I have golden on my ps5 but thsts really it, oh and the dancing game

[@jmurray1110]

And I’ll add here Why aren’t they anarchists like actual anarchists not edgy teens with a perpencity for explosions but proper libertarian left anarchists That political philosophy just feels far more appropriate than the charge from within centrism the team current has going

[@ThinkBoxChris]

Because anarchists dont sell well to a popular market, edgy teens with guns and the power of team work do. The series concept of taking back what society took from you without being a complete monster about it is something i like. Changing society takes more than just flipping tables showing people why they're wrong so they can fix the curruption they played into is a much better theme and lesson to get across

[@jmurray1110]

@@ThinkBoxChris sure but anarchists are themselves not monsters in fact the philosophy is itself quite altruistic and it’s activists do simple stuff like volunteering for food shelters or normal protest Hell there’s an entire sub philosophy that completely abhores violence of any means and that’s why they are anarchists as the state itself is a force of violence that monopolises it’s ability to supporters the people to maintain control

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@jmurray1110 be that as it may most people only know of the anonymous kind of anarchist and its a word that does not boad well for a reputation. Trust me the word would have turned off more people than bringing them in

[@jmurray1110]

@@ThinkBoxChris perhaps but you don’t need to say the name out loud if you include it Besides it would probably mean that things like the ending wouldn’t have just said let the people who continue to status quo break the status quo instead

[@ThinkBoxChris]

@jmurray1110 i mesn who else to break the status qoue but those who perpetuate it? Those in power need to change the ways in which thing opperate to align with the people not themselves. The theifs tell the people to make people accountable thats pretty impactful, taking babk whats yours but we need more than vigalanties, which is why the peoples hope is what gives them the power to stand up to a false god