Discussing Civil War Movies PART 1: The Good and The Bad

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[@matthewbissonnette2658]

When "Gettysburg" came out, my mom took me because she really wanted to see it.. gave me easily $20 worth of quarters thinking I would be bored and rather go play video games in the lobby.. she was wrong, it sparked such an interest in the civil war for me. I think this is the calmest I've seen Gary Andleman. I love your energy in the love videos! I know you get ragged on for it, but I see your passion for the subject and I respect and admire it! I too get animated when I'm talking about something I'm passionate about. I can only imagine what the two of us would look like in a conversation or in a tour of the battlefield..

[@sophieamanda4800]

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[@brianwinters5434]

My number 1 is Gettysburg 1993. Especially the director's cut all 4 hrs 45 minutes of it. It is too long for many but I love it. Glory is my number 2. It is more popular by far.

[@kbonh22]

I had to watch Gettysburg in two sittings but it was worth it.

[@nathanapodaca3456]

We really need a movie about Ulysses Grant and his story, given how he goes from poor-washed up Army captain working in a leather store to the commanding general who wins the war. I'm amazed we've never gotten a feature length movie about him

[@smizdeazy]

I agree. I thought i heard of a movie being made avout Grant that featured DiCaprio in the works, though i may be wrong

[@christopherr.561]

@@smizdeazy I think that became the History channel documentary but could be wrong

[@kyleschannel6252]

History Channel did one. It's on DVD I have it

[@christopherr.561]

@@kyleschannel6252 it is very good. I bought it digitally.

[@markwest1963]

100%. The story arc is the very best in American history. Broke and selling firewood to General Commanding within five years and then President for eight. The very American dream itself

[@citizenbobx]

It needs a BAND OF BROTHERS or PACIFIC type treatment. There haven't been enough good depictions of the really big events, other than LINCOLN and GLORY, but there was a lot more happening than that. I found 'The Blue and the Gray' edifying as an eighth-grader, but I wouldn't call that anything like accurate.

[@DakJackal_Films]

Hear hear

[@Painfulwhale360]

Totally agree. A band of brothers type take on the civil war would be incredible.

[@PathfinderHistoryTravel]

Completely agree. Spielberg and Hanks, are you listening?

[@citizenbobx]

The trouble is Hollywood itself, which only embraces a single narrative about this period that is only becoming more negative by the minute. That, and any names you'd name who'd be equal to the task (Spielberg, Gibson, Eastwood, David Milch from Deadwood) are getting a bit long in the tooth to take on something like that. So if it did get done, it would be an entity other than Hollywood, by people we haven't heard of, yet. I'm not sure what people's opinions are of the Ralph Peters series that starts with CAIN AT GETTYSBURG, but it follows a whole series' worth of characters fictional and non-fictional through the whole second half of the war, and would make an amazing show.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

The problem is such a movie could never come out of Hollywood today because it would require honest and even empathetic depictions of Confederates (at least to the same level as Union soldiers), as well as misdeeds on both sides… which is now unthinkable in 2022. Am afraid we will have to wait generations for such a film to emerge.

[@steelerguy52]

Gettysburg was the 1st movie that i took my father to...all my life he'd took me to movies but finally as an adult i took him to a movie and I paid for everything ...When ir was over i asked him how he liked it and he said he didnt like where it showed the south losing (keep in mind we are southerners lol) but he did enjoy the movie overall lol. ....that will always be in my memory and a special moment to remember now that hes been gone for 25 years now

[@crippledcrow2384]

In the movie "The Horse Soliders" the cadets were not cadets from New Market or VMI. They were cadets from Jefferson Military College in Washington, Mississippi. The scenes were shot from that campus, which the buildings were WBTS era. The college has long closed but is open to visitors.

[@JacksonMcCoyJrHistorian]

I'm not going to lie, I was hoping that the Civil War scene in Diary of a Wimpy kid would be covered! This was great!

[@jimbrew4529]

Thanks to Gary G, I just watched Pharaoh's Army. Two big thumbs up. It was refreshing to see soldiers with uniforms that didnt look like they just came off the sewing machine - without a speck of dust on them.

[@johnzajac9849]

In his book, 'Bloody Roads South', Noah Trudeau describes a grisly scene. After the fighting at the 'Bloody Angle' at Spotsylvania CH, soldiers discovered a rebel and a Yankee standing up against an entrenchment. One soldier had bayoneted the other through the neck, the second had bayoneted the first soldier in the chest. Both were propped up and standing, by the bayonet-tipped muskets.

[@Babararoot55]

Zajac

[@rajmankhan3936]

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[@RockinL7BuckingBulls]

I actually worked on Gods and Generals. I was hired as a consultant for the looping group Super Loopers. Looping is all the chatter you hear besides the actors. I was recommended to the production by the late Brian Pohanka. I was given a box of VHS tapes to watch by the production company. I will say that after watching just one tape I was so disappointed but, a job is a job and maybe I could help this disaster a little. Let’s say the scene has two soldiers looking at a letter as the camera passes. The director would ask What would they be talking about? I would come up with dialogue a four second track. In the scene where Jackson is talking to a Sgt about the execution of a soldier, it’s my voice one hears giving the manual of arms in the background.

[@dbrinkm1]

@@Babararoot55 Bull ?...you did not believeRockini ?

[@ricardoaguirre6126]

I haven't bothered to watch Gods and Generals but I liked the book.

[@RockinL7BuckingBulls]

@@Babararoot55 what ever, Names in the credits under looping. Have a great day.

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[@michaelgryboski1]

Gettysburg is my favorite Civil War film and my favorite film period. Awesome battle scenes, powerful music, great performances, and more accurate than not. Having career Civil War reenactors, filming on site, and no CGI added even more authenticity. I know some folks are turned off by the Shakespearian-like atmosphere, but I think that's one of its strengths. Chamberlain speaking to the mutineers about the cause and Armistead talking to Longstreet about the last day he saw his Union army friend are among the best monologues in American cinema, in my humble opinion. That said, I can understand how Gettysburg tour guides can get annoyed by having to frequently clarify things that the movie got wrong. Some people need to realize that even the most accurate historical movies are going to have errors, because it is literally impossible to 100% recreate a past event. Something is going to be wrong or otherwise embellished. And that's okay.

[@tracysweatt5401]

Agreed. What I loved about Gettysburg was how the light was shined on Chamberlain and his pivotal actions there. How he moved his men and inspired even mutineers. I still get chills when I watch the scene on Little Round Top and Jeff Daniels yells out “Bayonets!” (Whether or not this was totally historically accurate or not is up for debate, but it very much seems possible based on accounts). The last two hours of the movie always move me to tears despite knowing what’s coming. It was such an emotional experience when I first watched it in 8th grade years and years ago, but remains so even today to revisit it with my children as part of learning about our home state and the role Maine played not only in the Underground Railroad, but also the Civil War with people like Joshua Chamberlain and the 20th Maine Regiment (as well as many others). I also felt that the portrayal of Lee was actually quite good in Gettysburg as well. He wasn’t a ruthless military man, but a leader that his men loved and looked up to. He was a hero for the South, but he also had “Southern Charm and Manners”, if you know what I mean? I know there are inaccuracies, but I can’t help but love the movie that made the Civil War hit home for me, much like Chamberlain’s story did as well.

[@larrydemaar409]

Thanks for the Civil War movie discussion. My favorite is “Red Badge of Courage” starring Audie Murphy. The lead actor is a Medal of Honor recipient, wonderful.

[@thomast8539]

Sadly, we will never get the film in its entirety, unless it is re-discovered hiding in that great warehouse at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

[@Yundra344]

Helo friends🤝🏻🙏🏻

[@Sheilamarie2]

I loved seeing Prof Gary Gallagher, no wonder he is one of my favorite Historians, I've been in love with the movie Glory waaaay before Gettysburg. To see both Gary and Garry is a big Wow together, and thank you for the topic of movies: 1st in line for the first showing of Gods and Generals, I am/was, in my city. Just feed me American/Civil War History, and I'm good! Last wish is to move there and just live it everyday (honest, move there)... Thank you both!

[@Yundra344]

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[@walthyde5159]

my favorite is The Field of lost shoes about the VMI cadets at New Market

[@tkingsley5761]

My least favorite, surpassing even Gods and Generals. Nevertheless, all respect to the VMI Keydets at New Market, and the opening scenes of the annual commemoration ceremonies at VMI are stirring.

[@IRISHguitarist777]

No "The Undefeated"!??? 🤔 John Wayne and Rock Hudson at their very best,the scene of the Union soldier following the dying Confederate as he slumps and wraps himself in the Stars n Bars is a powerful analogy for the CSA in 1865 and a brilliant piece of Cinema. John Wayne as Sherman in "How the West was won" is a classic role also and "the blue and the grey" must get an honourable mention!

[@glennrishton5679]

May have been the same scene where the union officer as the Confederate why are you still fighting? Because this is our land and you're on it. Words my not be 100% accurate it has been a few years. I always felt like that was a great part of the motivation for the Confederate soldiers to fight.

[@IRISHguitarist777]

Absolutely, this film would never be made today,showing a highly sympathetic portrayal of the Southern soldier. It's an incredible film which l watch monthly.

[@DH.2016]

Good to see Glory was their #1. Plus, not forgetting the all too short scenes on the Civil War in How The West Was Won and, to lighten the mood, Buster Keaton in The General. 8-)

[@davidfeador4125]

A little bit ago Disney ran "Johnny Shiloh" He was the youngest bravest yankee drummer boy. Also they died with their boots on depicts Custers early military career as well as his participation at gettysburg. Errol flynn was excellent. Andersonville and the Hunley are also worth the watch. Lets do a part 2 guys.... great job

[@Babararoot55]

David 👋

[@christopherquinn5899]

"They Died With Their Boots On" for sure. Great film!

[@jeffsmith2022]

Nice to see Mr. Gallagher back on...

[@Babararoot55]

Hey Jeff !

[@Ether1501]

I'm enjoying Professor Gallagher's Civil War lecture series on Wondrium/The Great Courses.

[@jeremiahyeager9858]

Love God's and Generals and Gettysburg. The only thing that throws me off is Stephen Lang playing Jackson in God's and Generals and Pickett in Gettysburg

[@thomast8539]

Not Jeff Daniels' paunch and much heavier face??? How do you get past him portraying the same man who somehow grew older before going on to immortality at Gettysburg???

[@russellcollins52]

To me God's and Generals covered way you much time. It would have been better as a mini series. Downside for choosing union leaders in 1861 and 1862 was how often they were replaced. A mini series could have done a better dive into why some states seceded and why people wanted to fight for the union. Gettysburg I think presents both arguments well. With Jeff Daniel's delivering the union side and Steven Lang presenting the southern side.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@russellcollins52 That’s actually a great idea- a miniseries featuring each state’s process of entry into the Confederacy. There was actually a series of books about exactly that, you can still find them in used book stores.

[@vinceo1058]

I like the movie that gave the 1st Minnesota their due... So, let me know when that happens.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

I’ve never been to Minnesota, but after 2020, I’m afraid to watch anything more about it lol

[@bjohnson515]

Gods and Generals ....Jackson's flank attack, IMO a great scene. Birth of a Nation...the original.....great battle scenes with actual veterans as consultants to the making of the scenes....how could they miss this one? Let me guess.... Try to watch this original......great realism

[@cybelemarie7913]

"I took the same oath you did, Reverend ... to the Confederate States of America!" -- John Wayne, The Searchers

[@sharingtimeagain]

North and South was the beginning for me. Still a great favorite despite its soap opera like moments.

[@PathfinderHistoryTravel]

Conceived in Liberty is a book following Chamberlain and Oates through their lives, meeting in battle at Gettysburg and to the end of their lives. Would make a great film. I also think the 1st Minnesota would make a good movie.

[@ragnartwrii744]

Totally agree about the 1st MN... the only thing is most non-civil war history buff people wouldn't believe the story of the 1st at Gettysburg because it is almost so unbelievable! They would think it's been dramatized by Hollywood. But I agree, it would make a great movie if done right. Could have the ending be 150 years later with VA government asking for their flag back and MN saying f*ck you! Haha

[@crippledcrow2384]

@@ragnartwrii744 the 1st MN is a little dramatized maybe even in Gettysburg history. The fact is MN is holding the flag illegally.

[@Joshua-rb2hv]

Glory got me into the civil war....but the movie gettysburg is my favorite movie of all time lol I can quote every verse lol (VIRGINIA....VIRGINIA...for your lands, for your homes, for your sweethearts,for your wives for VIRGINIA) 😆

[@douglasdelong1526]

Read H.L. Mencken's statement on the Gettysburg Address. He nailed it. Simply NAILED it!

[@gitchegumee]

The title of this clip is : The Good and The Bad... and The Ugly was left out.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

There are 2 kinds of people in this world, amigo… those who mention TGTBATU, and those who don’t… you do.”

[@stevenhearnden6103]

The Outlaw Josey Wales..... Come on, one of Eastwood's best.

[@edglass9912]

What would you rate “The Class of 61” and “Field of Lost Shoes “ Ed from Lynchburg

[@Babararoot55]

Ed 😑

[@jimmyjames9752]

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[@Lobotomy59]

One you didnt mention... The Undefeated, curious as to your opinion on that one...

[@granpaul5020]

You left out "Birth of a Nation" which was a very influential movies made.

[@284Winchester]

Glad you mentioned Ride With the Devil. Excellent movie.

[@ML-Brumski]

Sergio Leone captured the Civil war more authentically than I’ve seen on any other movie. The bridge and railway station scene in the Good the Bad and the Ugly took you back.

[@grandpavanderhof]

Oh god man, that's the worst part of a great film.

[@DRush76]

Except there was no railroad in 1862-63 New Mexico.

[@theozarkblacksmith9234]

I thought Ironclads was decent. Having E.G. Marshal in a support role was pretty cool.

[@jacksoncanaday1787]

What about TNT’s The Hunley movie?

[@smizdeazy]

Anything that has Gary In it Always has my attention!

[@Frank_nwobhm]

One you guys overlooked was Buster Keaton's The General. Top five CW film for me.

[@Houndini]

True. That movie was based on 1 more true story. 1 or more them guys was from divided state of VA/ West Virginia, Much more divided than historical books say. I think our county vote was like 59% for North, 61% for South. They shut down courthouse in 1861. Didnt open back up until summer or fall of 1865. True story my family meet each other on opposite sides of lines a huge bunch times, Some family stories of cousins helping other cousins escape or other ways of help. 1 nasty story 1 cousin killing the other 1 using the war as a excuse to ambush & basically murdering him. Still today they are hard family feeling over that stunt.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@Houndini What county? Marion Co here

[@peterf.prowant9290]

Buster Keaton used Civil War photographs to stage the sets. In a way, it's the most accurate Civil War movie.

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@peterf.prowant9290 Yeah but his splosions were not as good as Bay’s

[@ndeyefatoudiop102]

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[@michaeldouglas1243]

Great discussion fellas. Was terrific having both Gary's together. I agreed on most votes. However I did like the free state of Jones overall. Haven't watched Lincoln, plan to this weekend now.

[@k.c.8658]

Ride with the Devil was excellent

[@marks_sparks1]

I agree it's the best

[@couthon]

Uhhh, no mention of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly!

[@grantss1]

Two notable omissions: The General (1927) by Buster Keaton. A comedy set during the Civil War, it is based on an actual event, The Great Locomotive Chase of 1862. The Birth of a Nation (1915) by DW Griffith. Extremely controversial, and rightly so, because of its pro-KKK stance in the second half. However, the first half is great and largely covers the CIvil War. The film featured some revolutionary (for its time) camera techniques and the cinematography is like nothing previously seen before. It was largely thanks to the cinematography that Orson Welles, no less, regarded DW Griffith as one of the greatest directors who'd ever lived. The film was heading to be a masterpiece, based on that first half, but was totally let down by the racist, pro-KKK sentiment of the second half.

[@kenbattor6350]

I live in Western Missouri so I would include Outlaw Josie Welles. Many ordinary people were driven into the Southern cause by the actions of the Union supporters from Kansas.

[@Fortaker]

They should make a movie about John Wilkes Booth. I bet it would make a killing in theaters.

[@calenoch8813]

I enjoyed The Blue and the Gray miniseries over the North and South. I give Gettysburg 5 cannon balls because it helps scratch that battlefield itch when I can’t get to batttlefields for awhile

[@snake316171]

Love the blue and the gray.

[@KikiRevenge]

Agreed. I loved the Blue and the Gray. A little disappointed they didn't hit it, but this is about films, not TV.

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[@BillsWargameWorld]

Outlaw Josey wales is considered one of the top five civil war movies on all the polls

[@johncipolla8335]

You guys missed The Hunley, and Ironclads, The TrainRobery with Jeff Hunter,THe blue and the Grey

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

Yes the Huntley was good! But, since it portrayed Confederates positively, academics are unlikely to mention it. By the way watching Sutherland sing a number is worth the price of the DVD alone.

[@frankcozin7322]

Hey, you guys forgot "Andersonville" - Great Movie!!

[@Babararoot55]

Cozin 👋

[@steveb287]

How does Josey Wales not get mentioned ?

[@davidkinsey8657]

I'd like to hear your comments on two of the earliest movies set at least partly in the Civil War, The General with Buster Keaton and D.W. Griffith's infamous Birth of a Nation.

[@granpaul5020]

I was surprised that Birth of a Natio was not mentioned.

[@yhanniemei5745]

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[@Frank_nwobhm]

It's not a CW movie per se, but I feel that the ABC min-series Son Of The Morning Star deserves mention. The subject material is Custer at The Little Big Horn. All the principle players are CW subjects. Custer, Sheridan, Grant, Sherman, Terry etc. It ranks with Dances With Wolves for cinematic beauty and overall authenticity. The battle itself occupies nearly an hour of screen time which is pretty phenomenal. They got all the details very accurate as far as I understand the battle.

[@danwoodliefphotography871]

I agree with Glory as the best ever. Gary, I am also a Jewel fan and now want to watch her Civil War movie.

[@BillsWargameWorld]

Gary this was very interesting I am amazed what movies you talked about and what you Failed to talk about Google civil war movies .. Drums of the Deep South, Josey wales, Blue and the Gray, several others. Maybe this is a topic for a revisit in the future

[@DaveC9F]

Thought by title you would have mentioned The Good The Bad and the Ugly, Good stuff as always, thank you.

[@pizzafrenzyman]

or Beguiled who starred in The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly.

[@TheHistoryUnderground]

Agree that Glory stands head and shoulders above the rest. Even after 30 years, it still holds up.

[@rawfoodwriter]

Why? bc its about blacks?

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

I can’t get through it, it screams “campy 80s movie”. And whenever I look at Broderick I think “Buehler…. Buehler….”

[@rawfoodwriter]

@@historyandhorseplaying7374 it's not that great. Try Gods and Generals. It's way bettet

[@cognomenunknown2144]

@@rawfoodwriter G&G didn’t even get the date of Antietam right.

[@rawfoodwriter]

@@cognomenunknown2144 seriously? I never noticed

[@brucebardarik5760]

The General and Birth of a Nation should have been mentioned as the two most famous silent Civil War movies. Still enjoyed it thou.

[@Babararoot55]

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[@royman62]

Great video guys. Lots of fun.

[@Babararoot55]

RoyMan 😑👋

[@alemander_01]

Sahara FTW. I love this campy movie and glad you guys mentioned it. It is what it is and I always love the opening ironclad scene. Also I love Lincoln and you are absolutely right about DDL as Lincoln.

[@addressinggettysburg]

Glory, Ride With the Devil and The Horse Soldiers are my favorites

[@wesleyfinch1574]

Sad to not see The Blue and The Gray not mentioned, although I suppose that falls under the miniseries category. That movie/miniseries played a huge part in my love of history, especially Civil War history. Andersonville is another worth seeing that wasn’t mentioned.

[@2DSTORMS]

If they mentioned North and South, they should done The Blue and Gray, too. B and G was amazing

[@Babararoot55]

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[@danielbowman6250]

Disney's Johnny Shiloh is what originally sparked my love of the Civil War. Still my favorite to this day.

[@coleparker]

Mine too.

[@thomradice8680]

Excellent exchange with the Gary’s! They touched on every movie I was hoping to hear about. Also liked how they deferred to quality and not so much to “thread counting”. A gratifying side road taken off the highway or pure history discussion. Thank you both. Great fan

[@Babararoot55]

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[@Houndini]

Myself I like the Eastwood movie The Outlaw Josie Wales the best. They even said a lot of it was based on the true story of Thomas Atticus Hawkins, A farmer from Maries County Missouri.

[@horusheresy6949]

You forgot Field of Lost Shoes!

[@terryeustice5399]

Interesting. Your take on Civil War Flicks. I think out of the ones mentioned. Glory and Red Badge of Courage. And you did not rate it.

[@Babararoot55]

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[@majcorbin]

During the 1960's My parents subscribed to reprints of the 1860's HARPERS WEEKLY.. My Sister and I had school requirements (Current Events) that were mandated upon us. So our parents required us to read aloud at the kitchen table, one article per week

[@timferryA1]

Love, the one on one discussion!

[@Babararoot55]

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[@peterblum613]

Glory and Lincoln are really the only Civil War films that capture the large themes and are great films. It is amazing that we don't have more like them, given the wealth of material. The reasons why we don't have more could be the subject of a dissertation. But it comes down to the lost cause, our twisted politics, and the banality of corporate-dominated Hollywood.

[@ColleenCupido]

Yup, it is me, Colleen Cupido. Those e mails when I sought out your college address, after that 48 Great Courses Civil War lectures changed my life ( I knew nothing about the Civil War before). Then we lunched at the Huntington together, and you Autographed your Civil War book to me, Causes Won, Lost and Forgotten, with your hand written message: To Colleen, who will, I hope, someday write books of her own. AND, you advised me to skip my Masters Degree and go straight for my PhD

[@charliefox3157]

Well done! I enjoyed that very much.

[@alexiaNBC]

I've seen a lot of Civil War films and noticed one common mistake they did: the frequent use of bayonets in battle. In the war, bayonets were not popular among the troops as they were cumbersome, made shots inaccurate, and most troops prefer using their rifles as blunt instruments then stabbing. Yet in all these movies, the soldiers immediately brandish bayonets but only fired volleys.

[@Frank_nwobhm]

I believe I read once that the bulk of bayonet wounds were more self-inflicted than anything else. Seems that the forceful act of ramming home a minie ball in a fouled barrel with fixed bayonet often caused the bayonet to go through the palm of the hand. OUCH!!

[@edwardpike3386]

Bayonets were popular in the Civil War... I've heard that soldiers used them to cook meat, if they could find a chicken.

[@Yundra344]

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[@peterblum613]

Newer research suggests that bayonet charges were important in the Civil War. No, there weren't many bayonet wounds; but that's only because one side would generally flee before they could come to grips. It was the shock and awe of the charge that won battles.

[@jayuihlein1664]

Great to get C W perspectives from two great masters. And yes, sans the thread counters BS and fake knowledge I learned a lot from these two.

[@wvumaniac87]

This was a fun one and picked up a few movies I need to see.

[@matthewlee5636]

Ride with the Devil was correct having an African American Guerrilla, his name is John Noland.

[@Babararoot55]

Lee

[@steveschlackman4503]

This made my day. An unexpected treasure.

[@reginabillotti]

Nice video. It would be nice to see a follow up about Revolutionary war themed movies.

[@kbonh22]

Gettysburg would have to be my favourite even if it is very long. I just love how it shows both sides and some scenes are just so memorable and the casting was perfect. Glory is brilliant too. Denzel was incredible.

[@williamiselin3977]

What about the made for tv movie "The Private History of a Campaign that failed"?

[@rmgosselin951]

Ron Maxwell's "Copperhead," from 2013. There is also a 1974 version of "Red Badge of Courage" starring Richard Thomas, aka "John Boy Walton" that featured a battle scene that has stuck with me all these years.

[@Frank_nwobhm]

I like the 1974 version. The portrayal of Jim Conklin and The Tattered Soldier were very memorable.

[@williambrown6585]

My favorite was Gettysburg.

[@noneofyourbusiness43]

Gettysburg just needs a better score. The "big dramatic theme" every time a friggin officer finishes a paragraph gets old after the first ten minutes

[@jasminemadison840]

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[@robj7386]

always wanted a civil war movie akin to platoon, full metal jacket, or saving private ryan. something like the opening scene of the movie Lincoln

[@floydcampbell1501]

How about the movie about the battle of New Market, The field of lost shoes?

[@heynowls3058]

Great fun. Thanks Gary & Garry!

[@rodneylove8027]

Great ratings!! I wish a streaming series about Gettysburg would be made with the production value and passion that was evident in Glory.

[@tomservo5347]

'Glory' and it's opening Antietam battle sequence actually terrified me the first time seeing it as a 12 year old. I was excited when 'Gettysburg' came out expecting 3 hours of Civil War combat like 'Glory' but was rather let down at how 'clean' the battle scenes were.

[@karenwood4101]

Glory is probably my favorite. I also love GWTW. Gods & Generals, I fell alsleep🥱I enjoy Gettysburg, as a guilty pleasure!

[@michaelbarnes5223]

Curious to know what these two thought of Wicked Spring. For a small indie film, I thought it did a great job at showing both the brutality and humanity of civil war soldiers. Not to mention, the accuracy of the weapons/tactics/uniforms/behavior of men under fire is phenomenal.

[@Babararoot55]

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[@russellcollins52]

I think you missed a great old movie, The Great Locomotive Chase which is fairly accurate. But I think that movie was a bit too focused on historical accurate.

[@Babararoot55]

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[@exmarine268]

The Red Badge of Courage. Starring real war hero Audie Murphy. Classic book by Stephen Crane.

[@thomasbiroscak1865]

I was sure Andersonville and Field of Lost Shoes would have been in this. But any way this was a great discussion

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

They aren’t going to include any movies remotely favorable to the South

[@johncipolla8335]

they didnt mention a lot. The good the bad and the ugly . another one

[@williamerwin7094]

@@historyandhorseplaying7374 And yet they discussed Gods and Generals

[@historyandhorseplaying7374]

@@williamerwin7094 Briefly and negatively

[@cyndiebill6631]

Field of Lost Shoes is a great movie. I finally got to watch it. I totally enjoyed it. It’s now one of my favorite Civil War movies.👍

[@pilates68]

You guys did skip over the “other “ Civil War Mini series from the early 80’s. “ The Blue & the Gray”. It’s not as well remembered as North and South, but I enjoyed it more. It was the first attempt to put the war on film with some efforts towards authenticity. I’m not saying that they always succeeded or that the story was always good and believable. But depicting a battle scene where men move forward in formation accompanied by drums and fife was nothing I’d ever seen in previous civil war movies. They also include a sizable portion of plot to highlight Thaddeus Lowe and his balloon and also include a brief but well done (for the time) a mat shot of a Federal gunboats shelling Vicksburg. That had never been done before. They also used some really good extras with 19th century faces in those Vicksburg scenes. The Blue & the Gray is not perfect but it was the attempt to try and get it right that I appreciate and why I think it’s more worthy of mention than North & South .

[@EnigmaticAnomaly]

You forgot Andersonville. Also there were a couple paranormal themed ones: The Supernaturals (1986) and Grey Knight (1993).

[@briangoldy8784]

Good call.',,,,,,,,,,,,Andersonville .........The Good The Bad an the Ugly..........The Outlaw Josey Wales,............. 2 more they missed.

[@fincorrigan7139]

@@briangoldy8784 I was shouting TGTBATU & TOJW as Eastwood examples and then I remembered The Beguiled is set during the war too.

[@jmccallion2394]

The two "gods" of Civil war history: As Mike Myres and Dana Carvey would say: "Were not worthy!!!"

[@110665]

What about Friendly Persuasion?

[@JC640]

The only film I feel you gentlemen forgot was Andersonville. While a bit far fetched in some of its notions, I believe it's the only film that truly encapsulated prison life during the Civil War. It was one of my favorite movies growing up and I would frequently watch it alongside Glory, Gettysburg, and Gods and Generals.

[@michaelgryboski1]

I remember as a kid seeing ads for Andersonville on TNT. I remember thinking it looked too disturbing to watch and my kid brain was already turned off by the idea that it probably wouldn't have any battle scenes.

[@jonnie106]

For a moment when I saw the title of this video, I thought there'd be a nod of light recognition to "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly". I don't know what the qualifiers are for a movie officially being 'about' something, or 'based on' something but the plot of Leone's single action pasta is firmly rooted directly in the American Civil War. Confederate gold to pay for the fight is highjacked. While searching for the gold, the main protagonists assume the identities of confederate soldiers only to be captured and sent to a Union prison camp. The names of Sibley and Canby are woven into the script, setting up the main characters escape from prison, and building the framework for what is probably the battle of Glorietta Pass, which ends up being between our hero/anti-hero duo and the gold. Leone does us no favors in representing our greatest conflict on the screen, though. He's as inaccurate as most but worst of all, he can't help himself from suggesting that the courage of the American soldier came from a bottle. The battle scenes were grand, high scale, lots of extras which portrayed human struggle well. If you can forget about what Leone thinks of the 19th century American soldier's will to fight, you'll have a director's use of the Civil war as a plot device, with the general inaccuracies you're used to. Along with some legendary Clint Eastwood moments! Speaking of Eastwood, "Outlaw Josey Wales" was also passed on. Hmm..

[@AmericanBattlefieldTrust]

A lot of this is touched on in Part 2 of our discussion!: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3-Yq3eLiZWBf6s We also have a solo video about The Good The Bad and The Ugly filmed 😀

[@Ozai75]

I think for a great view of the Southern partisan cause is "The Outlaw Josey Wales" even if it is a bit over-dramatic at points.

[@josephberger9143]

Agreed. This movie never gets the credit it deserves. Clint Eastwood directed AND starred in it. One of my favorite westerns with Civil War themes.