Discussing common "unpopular" Loona opinions

[@miracrapark]

Okay, but think about it this way. Loona wouldn't even have half the fanbase without "stan loona". They come from a company with NOTHING. + Most of the people who use stan loona inappropriately are making fun of us.

[@lovelyzstan3488]

Neppy ; exactly I only said Stan loona to people who said they were ass

[@keitea7430]

I became an orbit because of stan loona lol

[@Keplerite]

I became an Orbit because of "Stan Loona". Checked out Butterfly concert stage and now these girls own me.

[@keomdakji]

that's true, I have a trusted kpop friend who said stan loona, and look at me now. orbit trash

[@Gloss613]

It all started because of Heart Attack and then all the constant Stan Loona made me say "Fuck it, I'll stan loona". And here you have me

[@soldiercells]

there's already a lot of pressure over jinsoul's shoulders bc everyone keeps saying she's a a bad dancer, i think the choreo for singing in the rain was made to match the pace of jinsoul and not the pace of the beat so it could be easier to sing live since it includes rap and the need of a stable vocal. and hi high wasnt a dissapointing debut, that was said by the orbits who were stans of the "girl crush" side of loona and were dissapointed of the song for being cutesy and up beat, so gbye to those uglies😷

[@sponglish4903]

yves stan and I remember that by the time of her debut she wasn't comfortable with dancing in heels so that can be another reason to not make it hard

[@SleepEludesMe647]

@@sponglish4903 oh my, I never knew she had a hard time. By this comeback at least, it looks like she has no problem doing the choreo! Definitely not like the stronger dancers in LOONA but she holds her own really well.

[@biazacha]

@@SleepEludesMe647 she and Haseul studied as vocalist and opera singing respectively so they have a harder time getting the choreos than the other girls; but the level of improvment is clear as day.

[@enviisyk]

I agree with the first part. hi high just wasn’t it for me, but whatever floats your boat lol

[@seong9333]

lgbtchuu : hi high was it point black periodt

[@mintymoonmousse4957]

Those that commented on the deaths of people are not true orbits.

[@brightamiii]

MintyMoon Mousse They aren’t Orbits at all, they’re mainly antis who are trying to make Orbits look bad. There are screenshots of them grouping up with other antis to intentionally hurt people.

[@chococroissants]

They're just trolls that try to make LOONA and Orbits look bad

[@chiugai]

True Orbits are respectful of all kpop fans and opinions. It's ok if you don't stan, we just want people to give them a chance.

[@jenhoe]

lmao aight tell that to the other 99% of loona stans

[@cc-ky5pl]

@@jenhoe those toxic people are like a solid 40% but still..💀💀 we do block and report them but yeah they're still there

[@juli3836]

@@jenhoe no. most of the people who used the 'stan loona' weren't even orbits

[@yami7225]

Loona stans are so toxic though..

[@k.d3983]

belle I literally have a bunch of them saying dumb shit on my comment section just because I said I wasn’t a fan of most of their songs. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@yuratchkaplisetskys3063]

I don't think the SITR choreo is the best, but I also don't think the fancam does it justice. It looks far better in the official choreography video, because there JinSoul is completely focused on dancing... in the fancam she's balancing her singing and rapping while dancing too.

[@sssourwav]

My fav choreo from the solo's is a tie between LCM and Heart Attack

[@myvrtualangel]

mine is heart attack and every day i love u

[@nugunation69]

Please don't think Orbits will kill you 😌 we're trying to remove that concept 😊👍 There's definitely very immature Orbits specially on twt, I erased myself from there and it was the best thing I could ever do, Instagram, KZbin and Amino Orbits are the best Thanks for the video 😊❤️

[@aplant179]

Andrea Z I’ve had Twitter uninstalled for a few months, and there are so many less toxic fans on other platforms. Stan Twitter is such a toxic thing environment it’s better if you stay away

[@nugunation69]

@@aplant179 it's very true 👏👏 so glad no one defends twt because we all know it's the worst 😚

[@orbitwastaken5292]

Welp, if you're talking about utopia then LOONA Amino is that place--that sounded like an ad dammit. But it's true 😂😂

[@nugunation69]

@@orbitwastaken5292 ooooh yes I forgot about Amino, yes definitely 😅

[@Nesallienna]

Nooo guurl you're missing out 😂😂 Joking but yeah twt stan is toxic but I love Orbits there so long you learn how to ignore the ppl who try to pick a fight with us from now and then, which is a necessary skill in twt Orbits arsenal as we get attacked 24h/7

[@kayleighwales5964]

As an orbit, I was so confused seeing the title because i was like 'I swear she isn't a loona stan' but now i understand what you were going for and I appreciate that and your respectfulness! I kind of thought I was going to be a little bit offended beforehand but I am really in agreement with all of these honestly, you were really nice. ❤️

[@ChaennieLisoo]

Thank you! 💕

[@13thloona]

A thing about loona is that with their predebut project each member had a whole month of promotion with MV, EP and a Loona TV arc so obviously each member has a considerable amount of fans (even the least popular members have many fans) so Hi High's line distribution pissed off a lot of orbits. Don't know how BBC will handle this in the future but Butterfly is definitely a step in the right direction

[@SleepEludesMe647]

Tbh the predebut project, from the solos to the subunit tracks, made it feel like LOONA would be THAT group with fair line distributions. Every member was given a good deal of spotlight and a chance to show off her own talents and charms. With all the innovative things BBC had done up until that point, the expectation of a pretty equal line distribution made sense.

[@sashas8065]

Zephyrs Blade true, but these are 12 members. People even give JYP and FNC complaints about Twice’ and Cherry bullet’s line distribution and they’re only 9 members! Honestly, I think the whole reason why the project took place was so that every member got their own time to shine because it wouldn’t be cool just to debut them without showing their talents. It was smart of BBC to do that and I respect their decision.

[@thathumanbeingnobody3468]

yeah I’ve noticed that a lot, for example shunha from g idle, even though she had a little lines they weren’t nearly has much as a outrage for vivi when so what came out, like even though she is the least popular member album, her “album” sold a good amount and has a good support fans base

[@honeypopcorns]

Sasha Spills i mean izone is has 12 members and their line distributions are MILES better than loona’s. bbc dont really have an excuse

[@stefanpatrut2579]

okokok so as an orbit, here are my opinions 1 as an orbit, "stan loona" can be fun at times, but most of the times, the joke is so old that its just annoying. 1.1 all fandoms have toxic members, not all, obviously, but overall, i think the orbit fandom isnt that toxic compared to others, but that is also due to the fandom being smaller. 2. i think some were disappointed at hi high for not being this super experimental and immersive song *some* people were expecting, but from a business standpoint, thats not that doable. Hi high was a great song and also had very powerful loonaverse implications, and I feel was overall a great debut, even if not the most "wow" one. Regardless, the album slapped, and many fans that may have felt disappointed at hi high i feel were happy at the sound of the other tracks. 3. i understand how roles work, but the lines distributions really were bad for hi high era. i think who takes a certain line is mostly determined by whether that certain line would sound good in that certain members voice, and there are definitely a lot of certain lines that could have suited another members voice better, and this wouldve also helped out with line distribution. i think its a well acknowledged fact by now inside loonas fandom that the ++ line distributions were quite bad, its not that much of an unpopular opinion, but i do think that the line distributions for butterfly and the other tracks were amazing, and i think bbc will start creating fairer line distributions for the comebacks to come 4. it was, periodt! ok but fr, some parts were really cool and slapped, but some were just- "is she even moving?". it was a very unbalanced coreo imo and it definitely could have been better, but i dont think its as bad as some people make it seem like

[@ChaennieLisoo]

I agree that the line distribution in Hi High was brutal, but like you said in comparison to Butterfly it really improved quite a bit.

[@jetstormable]

@@ChaennieLisoo looks like bbc received backlash from orbits for no giving other loona members enough line, their xx comeback line distribution is huge improvement compared with ++, im glad bbc listen to us fans about this issue

[@sssourwav]

For Hi High the line distribution was done by popularity to draw more people in, song still slaps

[@rudygey3283]

Guysss, but line distribution for xx was so good! I think it was more about position this time than if this person fits the song, which in some cases like this will really work. We still wait for Yeojins lines but I’m sure bbc will listen like with Haseul!

[@spy6205]

Stan Crunchy Legend ikr! Totally agree. Yeojin has been killing it with the lines she does have though, XX made me appreciate her voice 1000x more. Btw Gowon is my bias too (assuming she’s your bias with your icon)! :)

[@sssourwav]

Orbits are waiting for BBC to drop Yeojin's Solo Album

[@myvrtualangel]

ikr haseul and vivi flippin got like 11 seconds in colors (a bside in X X)

[@annax4393]

orbits are actually the funniest fandom out there rn...

[@wyn3214]

Our memes r actually fucking hilarious

[@SleepEludesMe647]

Yo when we experienced our what? 5 month drought (in terms of MVs + teasers posted in LOONA's channel)? Our sanity fell through. And BBC kept us on the EDGE in October. Said that they were having a comeback soon and we thought we'd catch them before the end of the year.

[@ubiquitous_star584]

@@SleepEludesMe647 Looking back it was actually funny seeing all the Loona meme accounts trying to post new content whilst dying from the drought. At least we back to full power now.

[@jef-xj2fk]

acutally AID is the funniest fandom

[@ubiquitous_star584]

@@jef-xj2fk Funniest fandom name yes but the actual fandom isn't funny. I don't hear anything from them. DIA deserves greatness.

[@sirscumbag7]

besides all the trolls and toxic "Orbits", Orbits are actually one of the funniest, cutest, and smartest fandoms I've ever seen. 😅

[@sssourwav]

We can go from chaotic crackheads to smartest beings alive in seconds

[@jenhoe]

" We are one of the funniest cutest smartest fandom out there" JDJAUDHWISIJDJDISJAJWJS UR SO FUNNT

[@chococroissants]

@@jenhoe wdym?

[@jenhoe]

@@chococroissants see heres the thing, im an orbit myself but I CANNOT handle 99% of the fandom bc of its toxcicity, and I'm ashamed of that

[@yami7225]

Not really

[@OtakuPlayerAya]

I literally "hated" and avoided LOONA because of the "stan LOONA" and here I am... a LOONA stan. the stan Loona culture was just the stan culture +10 and I'm glad it has died down.

[@knifeprtyy]

Renliaino same mane, also im a new stan, please teach me more about them

[@allthingstbv8278]

Those "maybe if they stanned xyz" comments honestly piss me off so much; Spamming "stan this person, stan that person" actually turns a lot of people off from stanning said group and I completely get why; Ngl, the only way I found out about Loona was the "Stan Loona" thing, and while it didn't make me stan Loona, I've still listened to a few of their songs, and really like "Butterfly"; Line distributions to me are quite important, I saw "Hi High"'s distribution and thought "wow, that was quite bad;" Fair doesn't necessarily mean equal, but I always say a line distribution should show off the talents of the members and have it be justified, just my opinion; I definitely understand that the more members a group has the harder it will be, but "Butterfly" is their fairest line distribution from what I've seen so it serves as a good example;

[@brightamiii]

AllThingsTBV The people who comment those things are literally not even LOONA stans, they’re LOONA antis wanting to make Orbits look bad.

[@namnamseoktae-sty370]

This is so ironic because I just discovered Loona today... Plus no one wants to kill you, your sweet, honest and clearly do your reasearch before saying stuff unlike others. 💜

[@bluesol609]

honestly jinsoul is a great dancer a deserved a better choreo....

[@andre_3578]

I feel like orbits are such a fun fandom. The "stan loona" meme is used in inappropriate concepts by othere people that dont stan the grup to drag the fandom down. Thats why others think orbits are toxic but theyre not actually. They respect othere groups and fandoms.

[@gisselleinzunza336]

I think the singing in the rain opinion is true but I always thought that jinsoul solo was more into the visual of her and the mv more then the dance tbh ..... maybe that just my opinion

[@kristenmorris3189]

as an orbit since sept. of 2018, myself and other orbits see trolls or just non-loona stans using "stan loona" to try to make loona and orbits look bad. and it really sucks because orbits use "stan loona" to promote and non-orbits take advantage of it and then use it against us

[@ChaennieLisoo]

That’s a shame.

[@Nesallienna]

Thank you so much for doing this, you're actually very rational ❤ My own opinions on those : 1. Stan LOONA is mostly misused by trolls who now have a new trend of making fake accounts and a LOONA layout just to bring the girls hate which is sad and pathetic in my opinion. Otherwise the Orbit maybe annoying with it but its harmless and litterally helped the girls gain new fans over the years, we were such a small fandom and Heejin's debut album was litterally the worst selling album on 2016 , LOONA had no.exposure we had to be loud, even now, Korea pays them no attention, we are trying to help them even thought we may be called annoying, its a small price for me to pay as long as my girls get attention, no.publicity is bad publicity. 2. I LOVE hi high seriously, a lot of ppl were interested in LOONA because of OEC and their style which I also love btw, but for me I like all their previous styles as well, I am especially a sucker for cute concepts like RV's Rookie and Sappy, and Hi High was just perfect for personal taste, its also a fresh and youthful concept which is perfect for a debut, the MV was filmed really well and the dance is super catchy ! But just like you said, its a matter of personal taste, and cute concepts gets a lot of.slender especially by the int fans ... 3. Completely agree with you on the line distribution topic, as long as its not just a word or 0.1 secs its acceptable to have uneven line distribution because the main and lead vocals usually take the most as it should be, I also want to add that this is especially a hard task.for LOONA because its a 12 members grp, add to that BBC actually try to be even since the line destribution of Butterfly is soooo much better than HH, they listened to the fans complaints and they're trying to improve. 4. I actually didnt have high expectations for the sitr choreo, I remember a lot of ppl thought the dance slapped hard just from seeing the MV which is soo well filmed btw, but I personally could guess smh that it wasnt a hard one and that Jinsoul wasnt a main dancer like many were saying at the time. Also notice how in Kim Lip's and Yves MV they focus a lot on the dance, Kim Lip's MV is all dance which means they consider Lippie a lead dancer and also they worked on her choreo, they also gave us a choreo version, notice how all the members who got a performance version, their choreos were well developped and kind of important to showcase their dancing skill, I suppose they didnt releasr Olivia's because maybe its «sexy» and she was still a bit young at the time, now that she grew a bit they let her perform it live ( I like how BBC dont sexualize the members while still letting them do different concepts, but Olivia and Yeojin go and twerk in reality shows anyways ... 😂😂) so yeah, but for those ppl who were hyped for SITR choreo I understand their deception. Again thanks a lot for taking a moment to make this and doing research in LOONA, luv you ❤

[@sssourwav]

We really had no popularity at all but then OEC appeared and brought in ALOT of new fans, the debuts of KimLip and Jinsoul the blonde queens brought a lot of fans who then decided it'll be fun to put hate on Choerrys album by trying to boycott it as well as Gowons album also

[@ABLEXU]

Sitr choreography was one of the weakest because it had to be rushed. Jinsouls song was supposed to be eclipsed but they gave it to kimlip because it suited her more. So they had to prepare jinsoul solo in only a few weeks. A lot of parts of the choreo were changed after the release of the MV thats why we didn’t get a choreo mv.

[@anthonyaquariusmontoya1157]

Unpopular Dreamcatcher opinions ( if you’ve ever heard of Dreamcatcher? ( not sure if you have ) been afraid to stan loona for awhile *sends Chaennie lisoo infinite heart beams because she is respectful*

[@ChaennieLisoo]

Of course, I have heard of dream catcher. Their music is on point! Unfortunately I am afraid that there are not enough different unpopular opinions on dream catcher to make a video on them alone, but maybe I can make it work. I’ll definitely think about it.

[@cookiemonsta633]

Chaennie Lisoo maybe can you do unpopular SNSD opinions

[@JJ-dj9gs]

I though Blockberry said they don’t have set positions because every comeback it’ll change?

[@jade-rt2jt]

J J they dont

[@ubiquitous_star584]

They dont but fans can generally tell where everyone belongs. For example Main dancer- yves Lead dancers- Olivia, Kim Lip, Heejin, Gowon Main vocals- Haseul, Chuu Lead vocals- Heejin, kim lip, Jinsoul, Yves

[@natalia111213]

@@ubiquitous_star584 choerry is lead dancer and also lead vocal

[@sssourwav]

@@ubiquitous_star584 wait only Yves is main dancer? I thought we were putting Yves and Choerry as main dancers...

[@ubiquitous_star584]

@@sssourwav I dont think shes main but definitely a lead.

[@sluttybutterfly599]

"stan loona" oh man.... my friend literally got annoyed seeing it everywhere, he told me about it, i got curious, one thing leads to another, officially an orbit. so as toxic as it is, "stan loona" meme still have a part of building the fandom i guess....

[@Mary_12334]

there can be toxic orbits but the majority is people who were tired of seeing orbits post loona fancams with the caption stan loona at that time orbits were posting those fancams with that caption because we thought loona could disband because their popularity was very low, so these people change their profile pics to seem like they are orbits and then spread hate

[@cris-ki2oi]

Hi high was IT

[@jorrdan.]

About the stan loona thing and people commenting it under serious posts, there are definitely some toxic Loona fans, as there is in any fanbase, but a lot of people were creating accounts and pretending to be Loona fans just so they could say that shit and make orbits look bad. It got way outta hand and most Loona fans aren't like that.

[@devinelovinsky8704]

Omg, thank you so much for this video :))) I agree with you so much. For the stan LOONA thing, it was so innocent in the beginning (end of 2016-beginning of OEC era), then it spiralled into a mess. Some orbits went in every post to tweet about LOONA. Things have calmed down a bit now because most of the "maybe if he stanned loona, he wouldn't have died" weren't from the Orbit fandom. I don't even associate them with their respectful because they only tarnish their own fandom for clout.

[@kemperor3791]

I really don't like people who are jumping into conclusions... Obviously those were toxic people who are saying those things.... I don't get it why people still say Orbits do that.... Do they really think an Orbit would destroy Loona's image... its like common sense.... Those toxic people probably just want to drag loona down.... since their getting more famous... I really hope non-orbits would change their point of view of orbits.... I've been stanning Loona since 2016 or 2017 and orbits would never do such a thing.... ~Love your videos btw~

[@Broyan1]

1. Stan Loona can be annoying to some people, but it also brings others to check Loona out as result. In my opinion, anyone who posts Stan Loona under a sensitive topic is not an Orbit, but a troll trying to make Loona look bad. 2. I really liked Hi High. Even before knowing the company was small, I was impressed with everything they have done. 3. The line distribution has vastly improved with the new songs in XX. One thing people can't understand is how difficult it is to have equal lines. We are dealing with 12 members. This isn't some 4 or 5 member group. 4. Singing in the Rain choreo was a bit underwhelming. I see why we never got a choreo version. Thanks for your time discussing Loona!

[@cherryneb]

Honestly, every fandom gets called toxic by a lot of people and that's so stupid, just because you like the same group doesn't mean you have the same mindset lmao Tbh, I got into Loona during Hi High era but I really didn't like the debut at first.. Nowadays I'm listening to it at least 10 times a week oof. The song makes me so happy and the choreo is so adorable ♡ Especially that part where they all sit down in lines and put their hands on their mouth while singing "hua hua hua hua" ok i'll stop- Completely agree with you on the line distribution thing! Look at Dreamcatcher for example, Handong for one didn't get a lot of lines at first and now she has a lot of parts, especially in the b sides. Just give them time~ I love the Singing In The Rain choreo a lot actually.. in my humble opinion a choreo doesn't have to be extra, difficult and shocking to be good. Of course you'll remember a really creative choreo more likely as can be seen with Butterfly (or all XX choreos tbh) but it's most important how well it goes with the song. Anyway, I don't think any of us will kill you, you were so respectful ♡

[@kaylabuii]

I’m so proud of BBC since they ACTUALLY try to make things better EX: the like distributions, camera in concert rules, etc.

[@aerin0508]

I preferred High Hi over Butterfly... I didn’t really get the hype over Butterfly because the high notes when they sang “Fly like a Butterfly” were kind of obnoxious. I get it shows off their vocals, but it still felt kind of out of place. Idk I just couldn’t listen to song because it just was to extra... I still love Loona tho but I hope their next comeback isn’t like Butterfly.

[@hyperballad4971]

Aerin Seitz you’ll be in for a treat with the May/loonatheballad comeback then! This era was more visual/choreography/concept focused and The ballad album will (obviously) be more centered on showcasing the girls vocal ability! Not to mention, they’ll be starting solo/subunit comebacks up again in the summer.. this will be a great year in terms of content and variety 🤗

[@hwangara]

this was made two years ago but recently i just got rid of an ex-friend who was a toxic orbit. one time i was talking about how one of my faves in a band i really enjoy was very badly injured and she replied to that with “ maybe if *band member’s name* stanned loona that wouldn’t of happened

[@rosecarmellegermain1223]

I honestly think all the loona fans are probably getting overshadowed by the toxic ones because there is just way too much mess in such a small fandom

[@purityang3l]

i was personally very scared of loona, and almost held some kind of contempt for loona due to the fanbase and the whole "stan loona" thing. ive wanted to be more open minded, and at least knowing some type of knowledge from this is helpful.

[@juuberries]

kpop stan twitter is quick to point out the "orbits" who troll and generalize a fandom for being toxic, without checking their account. once it's pointed out and receipts are handed, they're *insert yeri's can't hear video* .

[@sssourwav]

Stan Twitter is relentless with fake KPOP fan hunts, stan Twitter is scary

[@marsmaria9033]

orbits are actually super kind and welcoming, very lgbt friendly and accepting of everyone but bc of a few orbits and people pretending to be orbits give us a bad image :( also the line distrobution was terrible in hi high no matter what you think of such matters. haseul, a previous opera trained singer and main vocal material, barely got a word. THAT is unfair. vivi, yeojin and hyunjin are weaker vocalists rn so thats why they get less.

[@orbitwastaken5292]

1. Stan LOONA became a meme and even normies say it. We can't avoid it bc there are too many, specially on Twitter. 1.1 people really need to stop generalizing because "Orbits they encountered are problematic" ... 2. Everything was already planned since predebut lol. They already planned everything TEN YEARS ADVANCE. I may be biased but imo Hi High was the perfect debut, in an eye of an Orbit and when you look at it in a marketing perspective. 3. Wtf HALF OF THEM DESERVE LINES. But here is the things, they have a lot of members, and they have assigned positions. 4. SITR's choreography is unique in my eyes because of how they made the backups significant and not just for the show... It's one of the first choreographies that I'm really liking because even though it's simple, it's not the same when you're dancing it alone... Lastly, Orbits wouldn't kill you for stating such unbiased opinions! We can't control one's vision in LOONA or their music, what we need is just to appreciate our group and BBC for what they've been doing bc they have been working hard everyday, almost WITHOUT REST. Nowadays people have been disregarding the girls because of the fandom and its toxicity which is sad because we have been trying to remove bad apples on the fandom (specially Twitter) and explaining our side even though most of them doesn't even want to listen. It's tiring and all but we have to do it so other fandoms will leave us alone

[@PatchworkDuckie]

"they have assigned positions" loona has actually said they have no official positions, though each girl is clearly in a line, so to speak ( go won has said shes part of the rap line but has no position within that ). vivi, yeojin, and hyunjin just arent pushed for their vocals, like youve said, and with so many members, thats natural. hyunjins my bias and vivis in my top 3 and its just not smth im ever mad about, i dont get it at all. hyunjins and yeojins dancing has always been a point of focus, and i really do think vivi will get more time to shine as she becomes more confident, not only in korean, but as a figure in the spotlight. edit: additionally, in xx, vivi and hyunjin in particular got a fair portion of bside lines. i rly dont see the point in getting so flustered about this : c

[@orbitwastaken5292]

@@PatchworkDuckie well there was a release of positions if I wasn't mistaken.... i saw people posted links of it way before the ot12 debut. and since you've used my bias as the example, in that list GoWon was the Lead Rapper and Jinsoul was the main. (I can't remember the link, though xD)

[@sssourwav]

@@PatchworkDuckie even if they have no official positions we can see where they are the strongest, like Jinsoul as main rapper, Yves for main dancer and Chuu being main vocal (you could say Haseul is main vocal as well)

[@Iris-gr1rn]

Loona is a group with very strong and good vocals, but the reason why they aren't so big is because of the awful backing tracks/instrumentals. A good pop/K-pop song needs strong backing tracks like catchy melodies and good beats, it makes 50% of the song a good one

[@loveforloona3855]

I disagree i stan lot of gg and loona has the best discography ever for my taste People just sleep on them because of bad promotion an xbecause they are under a small company

[@Mary_12334]

I've seen people pretending that they were fans of a group and then going to their music videos and say nasty things about the song and sometimes even the artist, so that could be one possibility of the stan loona meme or just people getting tired of it and then mocking orbits. It could be actually immature orbits but the first intention wasn't to upset anyone it was to promote the girls who came from a small company and they were worried that loona wouldn't be promoted correctly

[@soniclpslover1]

Trust me most of us orbits are super respectful, I agree with you on some of these tbh like some orbits are super annoying. But I hate the generalization that a ton of kpop stans give us. They constantly shit on the fandom which is so dumb and they really like believe most of us are super toxic when in actuality there is a whole fanbase dedicated to faking being an orbit just to use the stan loona meme to bring Loona down like idk I feel so bad oof. But I totally agree with you on not basing your stanning decisions on a fanbase like i find that so stupid and in the past it has effected me too but i realized how stupid that actually was and moved on from that, if I dislike a fanbase I ignore that fanbase like It's as simple as that.

[@enayalovesraspberries]

Orbits are always praising Loona for their "Uniqueness." Yes they take their concepts differently and have a unique charisma to them but they arent that different as orbits claim they are in modern kpop.

[@wocean6994]

I feel bad for loona with all the incidents that just happened, they got played so bad... also when stan Lee passed away and a Camila Cabello Stan tweeted “maybe if he stanned loona he wouldn’t have died” and it went viral and it gave loona a bad name... Literally everyone hates on these girls for no reason :’((( korea, international locals, kpop industries will never see Loonas true colors...

[@themysteriousturtleneck]

The thing about the line distribution is that they all don't have official positions, so they should all have around the same amount of lines. But I feel most bad about Yeojin and Vivi (Go won, Haseul and such also but like...) Yeojin has no subunit and leftover scraps from OT12 songs. Like she debuted when she was 14 then got nothing for like 3 years. But then hardly sang in OT12. She overall has the least amount of voice time. Vivi learned a whole new culture, language and left Hong Kong to have 19 seconds to sing in OT12. She also usually has the least amount to sing in her subunit activities.

[@ZootedKitty]

Thank you for making this video! It's really nice to get an unbiased opinion sometimes.

[@mitington]

I'm really glad to finally see a video from a non-orbit that actually did their research and actually gives credit to BBC and in turn Loona and isn't automatically on the hate train just because of the Stan Loona meme. I, and i'm sure many other Orbits, really appreciate this.

[@pancreaticcum2122]

Orbits are one of the most sensitive and empathetic fandoms in Kpop , and those "orbits" who comment insensitive stuff under deceased people’s posts aren’t orbits , but instead are antis who are trying to ruin LOONA’s and orbits’s reputation . And please if you’re an orbit be careful and sensitive with what you say , there are also toxic orbits don’t be one of those

[@starlight0260]

I am not an Orbit . I love Hi High Half of the ppl who hate it , just hate anything which is not "girl crush and dark"

[@blackpearl1937]

Blockberry creative is a subsidiary of polaris ent which is a subsidiary of a huge arms dealing company with close to limitless funds so uhhh... yeahh hard to say it's a small company. And there's people saying they come from a company that's got nothing. My dude, they spent close to 9 million dollars on promotion alone, what small company can afford that? They're solos are just wayy too impressive and high quality.

[@fallenbetta4377]

black pearl 9 million dollars was the budget for everything not just promotion

[@nananana-nf3vs]

4. i agree 100% that SITR's choreo was disappointing given how upbeat and powerful it was. but, it was made super ez because at the time jinsoul wasn't a really good dancer, she was a vocalist. i hope that they change the choreo, even with little modifications cause jinsoul's getting better at dancing!

[@jacob-ui2tk]

line distributions rlly come down to either popularity or which member sounds better ! or both lmao

[@sluttybutterfly599]

let me just add that the "cute concept" for the Hi High debut literally following their LOONAVERSE story concept where the girls finally unite as one. also, about the position in the group, yes i think it's changing, like choerry, at first she wasn't that good with dancing, wasn't bad either, but in this Butterfly comeback we can tell she improved so much that she might be in the main dancer line because how good she is now.

[@mariapopa1890]

Unpopular Loona opinion: Kim Lip is absolutely gorgeous

[@to_angel]

1. stan loona was annoying i'm glad it's dying out cuz people who weren't orbits started to use it it seems and that got Messy 1.1: i mean all fandoms have toxic ppl so i don't really know abt this one 2. hi high was my first loona song and it was and will always be a bop don't come for me 3. line distribution wasn't very fair i agree so I just hope when they start subunits again the lines are better well thought out 4. i think stir's choreo is fine to me, idk anyways upload a video when they release ur solo mv for loona ur already my bias omg!

[@gameskpop9645]

1. Fair enough xD. It's a double edged sword for sure 1.1. Every fandom has their toxic components. So we are not different haha. We just try to weed them out or be louder than them by being respectful and kind to other fandom so that we can all get along tgt. Agree with your point that you love a group for their members and music, not for the fandom. I have some groups which I listen to their music but I hate the fandom so you know, it's definitely true 2. More so "predictable" than disappointing. BBC went with the safe option of appealing to the Korean audience because Loona's popularity in Korea is way lower than internationally. However, ++ in general is a great album and Hi High's a fun bop. I wasn't surprised with the expectations. All of their discography is amazing so I think they did not want to mess up the debut with a sound that people do not associate themselves with. 3. A group with 12 members has got to have some of them receiving less lines than the others. It's just way too difficult to even them all out. I'm just glad they even had parts of the song to sing. I was upset with the Hi High and favOriTe line distribution because the Loona 1/3 members (Heejin as the exception) and Yeojin really did not get a lot of lines and screentime. However, Butterfly improved on that immensely and the whole line distribution of XX is more fair than ++. Moreover, I think BBC did not give positions to the members because pretty much all of them can fit a certain position. By limiting them in such a way, they would not be able to showcase their diverse talents. They have the freedom that most if not all groups don't 4. Yeah, I honestly agree with this. It just didn't fit with the song. I really like this video. As an Orbit, I will not kill you haha. We've been dealing with all of this since Loona became a thing so yeah (I dunno if you are aware of this, but their comeback has been tainted by Kakao M printing less albums than expected so we're super upset on that, there's a lot of stuff going against us and Loona). If you ever stan Loona in the future, I'll be the first to say "Welcome to the Orbit fandom" :)

[@kyokugo6460]

After this video I finally decided to subscribe, there are many disrespectful channel that discuss kpop, I actually think your way of addressing stuff is respectful and I hope you don't change that

[@serenahale1102]

HaSeul was the one singing for basically 0.5 secs and although Loona doesn’t have ‘positions’ Haseul is defiantly main vocal. So imagine an idol that is suppose to be main vocal but gets given one world to say through the whole song? That angers people a lot.

[@mspbuzmavisi5360]

oh no! it really hurts me that some loona "fans" are saying or acting things like that. from all i know, i have met lots and lots of REAL ORBITS and they were the cutest pumpkins ever. those who are mean are not orbits, please don't take them seriously!

[@onios194]

Oh god so ya'll really think hi high was flop and thought they're gone but surprise butterfly popped and burn is on it's way. idk where's the TASTE

[@EternalDrummer1990]

1. Stan Loona is how I found out about Loona so maybe it's annoying to some but it's what helps gain them fans sometimes so you can't really knock it. 2. I dunno why every fandom says so and so are toxic fandom as if having some toxic fans is a surprise. Unfortunate but It's just what happens for some reason. But also, there's probably some people out there who troll other fandoms to make them look bad. Best approach is to just know that probably most of the fandom is not gross but there will always be outliers. 3. Hi High is a bop. I'm about it. It's not my favorite song of their discography, but when I need that energy, Hi High is at the top of my list of songs to go to. But also, rest of the tracks? Bops. I can't understand being disappointed by it but that's me. 4. Cannot argue about line distributions. They be whack sometimes. Like why did they all debut with solos if half of them are barely going to get lines? I think it's getting better though. 5. Singing in the Rain doesn't have bad choreo. That choreo fit the song well. They don't always have to be doing the most complicated dances they can come up with for them to be good or fit the song. Sometimes less is more.

[@burgyrapyr1584]

I personally like Hi High a lot more than Butterfly!!! Hi high was a perfect debut for them IMO, I've been into LOONA since Heejin's solo, so being able to see all 12 of them in the same video and performances was so meaningful and exciting, so it makes sense to have a happy and exciting song to match that feeling! Plus, the song is really complex and interesting, people are just quick to bash it because it was a "cute concept"

[@aurafeen]

i REALLY like loona, a lot and i was considering deciding to stan them until i saw what the fandom is really like. the fandom is so so toxic, they're so rowdy and immediately attack anyone that doesn't have any affiliation with them. of course not all loona fans but a lot of them are like that, i don't feel like i want to be a part of that. i literally got attacked by 3 loona stans because i commented on a youtube video and they attacked me because my pfp is suzy. im really glad that you made this because i haven't heard a lot of people talk about this. i want to give the girls another chance. i hope i can be a multi stan without anyone attacking me. 💕

[@aurafeen]

@@PriyankaYadav-zg9ik i like all types of music, ive heard a few loona songs like hi high, heart attack and clips of others so could you recommend me any other songs because it's a bit confusing (the sub units)

[@wocean6994]

yeah some fans are toxic... but I feel bad for loona because people are giving them a bad name... like when Stan Lee passed away and that Camila Cabello Stan said “maybe if he stanned loona he wouldn’t have died” it went viral and gave loona a bad name :’( people are cruel

[@aurafeen]

@@wocean6994 yeah i saw that and i didn't want to think that the group was like that because a lot of people were also making fun of loona

[@detaaditya6237]

I love loona a lot. I love their songs and the members. But I don't think I will be an orbit due to the first reason you stated on the video. At least in my kpop circle the fandom is already infamous, and that's why.

[@ywsoul]

JinSoul is the main Vocalist yet HeeJin devours the whole line distribution

[@1ia802]

hey at least jinsoul always be killin it in the adlibs :')

[@roseberrydoesnotlikeberries]

I thought loona didnt have any main positions- and even if they did, shouldn't chuu or haseul be the main vocals?

[@roseberrydoesnotlikeberries]

And I think that since heejin is center, the company likes her more and give her more time to shine, which i also think is not fair.

[@ywsoul]

@@roseberrydoesnotlikeberries they don't really have official positions but all of them have something that they're good at in the group i agree haseul and chuu have fire vocals but yk some companies are bitches and only let the most "popular" members to shine

[@ywsoul]

@@roseberrydoesnotlikeberries that's true heejin's been the one at the top when it comes to lines + screentime i mean she is the ace but the other members deserve better too

[@sharongao4992]

Although keep in mind that Yeojin is super young (15, and she's already twenty thousand miles ahead of me in life) so it's a little more understandable as to why her line distribution is so low. She missed out on some promotions because her grades were bad lol.. so that was probably a sign for BBC to lift a little pressure off her shoulders by giving her less lines. As for Vivi, she's still in the process of learning Korean. Ofc this isn't an excuse for her near 1% line distribution in hi high (sounds like a joke ik) but at least she's gotten much more in butterfly era. As for Hyunjin.. BBC's only excuse is that her voice is airy or her vocal capabilities isn't as good as the others (I love her voice, it's just not strong if that makes sense?). But if that's the case she could still slip in more background vocals imo. I tried to explain it through BBC's view but it's definitely not confirmed in any way. I just hope the line distribution gets more even as LOONA develop their vocals. Until then, we'll just have to support the gorls (and Stan loona)

[@xDfairytailfangirl]

We have so many trolls surrounding us😭. Thank you for using logic and saying not to generalize and saying not stanning a group for 'the fans" doesn't make sense. Also, there's a mute words function on twt, so I feel some ppl just want something to complain abt with Stan Loona. Orbits have definitely calmed down on "Stan Loona" quite a lot since me joining the fandom in late 2017, but it's a great promo tool. With BBC having so little employees, we end up being Loona's intl promo team.

[@m1zba]

"Stan Loona" is all I see like can you guys stop ngl Loona are talented af

[@cintia4eva816]

If many think that the memes about LOONA are rude and toxic that is personal opinion of each one, but to me personally it seems that most of these memes are hilarious even if they are a little inappropriate LOL. STAN LOONA y'all. Also, for me Jinsoul's choreography for "SITR" is perfect, in fact it was one of the things that struck me the most when I saw her MV and her performance at the concert, due to her artistic and imposing presence and her confidence on stage, most of the time not yet completely formed by the fact of Idols being yet rookies, we cannot compare their choreography with that of Yves, Olivia or Kim Lip just as we should not compare the songs themselves, since each solo was thought taking into account the characteristics of the song and the artist who would interpret it, so those who ask for more for the choreography of Jinsoul do not value the masterpiece that this song is not only for kpop in general but for the same debut project of the girls as well.

[@_voyager_1877]

I thought the 15 employees was just a meme......

[@Chaerishluvchae]

I feel like for line distribution there’s definitely hope for change and better distributions. Look at Haseul, she had nothing for their debut and this comeback she’s gotten more lines and even more camera focus during their music shows.

[@wyn3214]

Your headers lookin like a textbook 1.1 headass *I LOVE THEM SM LMAO*

[@jeffm2160]

I guarantee if you click on the profile of those Twitter users that comment stuff like that under the death of celebrities, you'd see they are almost always brand new accounts created to troll

[@gibilli6]

Always remember that every fandom, maybe not all, have what you call the bad side (immature fans etc) and a good side (which covers mostly atleast 75-85% of the fandom. Just ignore the immature ones. I'm not even surprised anymore when I see immature ones in different fandoms, it's normal... But yeah, Orbits won't kill u since most of them are kind 😁. No fandom is perfect. P.S. I'd have to agree with u about the line distribution issue, I have to admit at first that it was unfair but then again, it's actually normal to have unfair line distributions especially when it's a DEBUT song (for me atleast), but atleast in their comeback songs they have fair line distributions so.. yeah.

[@siennahartle9069]

As an orbit I have to say we don’t claim those people commenting Stan Loona on posts about deaths and other serious topics. I don’t know if those were misguided but genuine fans or just trolls but either way true orbits do not support this behavior.

[@kpopjade3791]

I might sound like a jerk but the whole stan loona thing made me not to stan them or not do anything that involves them. It was a big turn off. People might say that, "stan the group not the fandom!!", I disagree. I cannot call myself a stan of a group that I know of if I don't even want to be involve with it or not call myself a part of their fandom

[@mama_penguin567]

People's expectations from Loona are too high You can't my mind becuase people are dissapointed even though they give us bop after bop Even their bsides are masterpieces

[@sadbetta9755]

If ur a loona "Stan" there is no room to be upset about any of their comebacks because all of them had a bigger meaning to them about female empowerment and self love so all these fake orbits need to exit the building

[@abcxyz9852]

In my opinion a faster choreography to singing in the rain wouldn't fit the sensual concept of the song, so I am satisfied with the choreo😊

[@tkcx3]

i wish we could see more nicer orbits but most of them are quiet and mind their own business which is good but thats when the rude ones get the chance to ruin the group's image. i understand people express their love towards their favs differently but the way the toxic ones do it is really messed up. i doubt loona would be proud to know some of their fans act like this even if they contributed in boosting loona's popularity, attitude still matters.

[@wamsjams]

Unpopular opinion: in butterfly when it shows all twelve girls and the colors are all pastel (hope u know what part I'm talking about) I think it was a bad transition and they should not of done that because it just didn't flow as well with the rest of the color scheme

[@maeganvillar7612]

I actually love this since you do your research before even speaking and not fully closing the doors on each opinion (it sounded more like an open discussion)

[@sailorderp1564]

I appreciate the “ stan Loona” meme for starting because I wouldn’t have of found this amazing group without it. BUT even as a Loona Stan I do think it’s annoying to spam it if it’s unrelated. But it’s ok to comment on post revolving Loona!

[@natattackfr]

Totally off topic but the piano vers. of Butterfly you used in the background sounds so beautiful. Great video, by the way, I like the professional vibe.

[@pinkcru]

Loona is amazing my favorite songs are: 1: "Love4Evea" 2: "One and Only" 3: "Kiss Later" 4: "Love Cherry Motion" 5: "Butterfly"

[@maxrusso705]

The Stan loona thing, or how aggressive it became,reminds me a bit of what is happening to Cuppcake when she came for Camila because she was racist, but than while speaking, she made some comments that were offensive towards Chung-ha and other Korean artists, and they came for Cuppcake, now Cuppcake always had struggles with her state of mind, and the hateful comments made her go to a lastivestream in which she said a lot of concerning things, and like a lot of Chung-ha stans really started to post stuff like "I hope this time she'll stay dead" because Cup in the past attempted suicide

[@filipe_chagas]

SINGING IN THE RAIN REALLY DESERVED BETTER

[@specialfredsw]

I have an opinion on line distribution. So when a group has 9, 10, 12 members.... How many lines do you think are available to give everyone more than a few seconds of the song? This is why I don't like big groups I don't see the point. I love twice but I think if they had 1 or 2 less members line distribution would be better. Also the voices have to go together in a way. Its difficult sometimes, in my opinion, to have so many different voices and some that sound so similar in a group. Mamamoo has 4 different voices but sound so amazing together they all compliment each other. If bigger groups could accomplish this it would be awesome. I just think its too difficult to have a group that is big and have voices that compliment each other well. Pentagon does pretty well I'm just not into boy groups and e'dawn was my favorite in that group soooo... I kinda left when he did.

[@fern6430]

the “stan loona” phrase literally empowers the loona members, they have stated this so many times so we will continue to use this annoying phrase❤️🥰

[@user-gz4zz8qf6r]

the stan loona thing is just like any other joke tbh u need to do it w/ taste, but yea i agree!!

[@emmaontoast]

I got into loona because of the whole ‘Stan loona’ thing

[@bluesol609]

lol i love stan loona bc it’s so funny (deadass orbits are some funniest fandom)

[@jade-rt2jt]

Okay might be biased but idgaf. Orbits are deadass one of the best fandoms I've been in. Literally. Ppl who say stan loona aren't fans they simply go around saying that to make us and loona look bad. orbits are so fucking kind, Thoughtful, FUNNY like were so goddam funny unlike sum dry ass fandoms. Anywho. JBSBD but frfr we care about our girls so much and try so hard to promote them and put them out there. 😔 but if ppl don't wanna believe it ion care cuz bbc acknowledges the fact were so great and even made us apart of the group 🙏💋

[@michi4989]

I think "stan loona" also is an iconic meme for the fandom and people (orbits and no orbits) need to take things less serious, I mean, I say "stan loona" when i see them really testing my wig but it isn't like I'm saying you HAVE TO stan loona, I think it is obvious... but there are those people that use it so bad and it's so sad to me that my favorite inside meme it's being frowned upon... sorry for my mistakes, english is not my first language😔

[@NoelTugy]

Stan Red Velvet

[@NoelTugy]

I'm joking around

[@honeybeeami2654]

I think the reason 2 is so common is how unique each song was for introducing the members. In my opinion the song itself is quite an average sounding song, though the music video was definitely stunning for a new group.

[@mightgetloud2298]

1- stan loona 1.1- yes, that’s disrespectful 2- if you don’t like it it doesn’t mean is one of the worst debuts, hi high is actually a bop and one of their best songs.. 3- your opinion doesn’t make sense, in loona there are no positions, they all are main dancers, main vocalists, main dancers, and main everything so they all deserve lines. Even if they had positions they do deserve lines, you aren’t in a group just to say hey, please.

[@martatozer]

honestly, the people commenting “if * had stanned loona they would’ve lived longer” etc are just people, and i’ve seen fans from many fandoms doing that. it doesn’t make orbits toxic, nor “some” or them. edit: btw it’s a horrible thing to do so please nobody comment that. ever.

[@reverizes]

the line distributions for x x era were so much better

[@wamsjams]

Hey, besides those trolls who do "stan loona" I find the fandom really nice, and a lot of orbits are so passionate about the lore and the loonaverse. It's a fandom full of theorist XD

[@gahyeonsminion1220]

Honestly all the opinions here were discussed in a very nice way, like there was no offensive tone to them so i am satisfied and agree with some of them to be honest. Like the line distribution part, Loona just debut as a whole so its normal that not all members will have a ton shit of lines at first go, like compared to Hi High, Haseul got more lines in butterfly and so did Yeojin, they all a good amount of screen time when it comes to performance so i think BBC is doing good in the distribution because they are playing with the possibilities each member has. Who tells us vivi and hyunji will not have more lines in the next comeback or the one after that? LOONA is all about concept and what fits the concept and may i remind you Loonatheballad is coming and vivi along with hyunjin are part of the ballad unit so, patience is all it takes to be rewarded guys.