Discussing Count Zero by William Gibson

Ben and Nate discuss the sequel to Neuromancer, Count Zero by William Gibson.
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[@laylowstaylow]

Great job u guys did...

[@duxwex51]

"I guess going back to the book..." so fucking funny, hilarious video

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

💯 about the “number lock” lol😂 spot on, sounded like me ranting haha

[@bonedead789]

Just finished reading this and was looking for someone to help clarify the book. Glad I'm not the only one who struggled to understand the plot. Regarding Jackie being a "Horse", She does get possessed by the AI at the end of the book when she is helping Bobby do net runs. Also regarding how the AI saves the day at the end, I felt like that was a fun play on Deus Ex Machina since the god Machines literally saved the characters from certain death. That being said, it would have been fun to see Turner go John Wick on the gangs, or if the gangs were trying to bust in and they are fighting when Bobby finally kills Virek. Anyways, thanks for the good podcast!

[@paxgamer3003]

I am close to the end of Count Zero and 50% of the time I don't know what's going on. I am still somehow enjoying it though.

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

I felt this way about Neuromancer but managed to enjoy it nonetheless. I’m about 50 pages into Count and it’s been over 3 weeks… I normally can get thru a book this size in 3 days, max. I’m right there with you on this book being confusing and making very little sense as you read it. Im giving up and learning my lesson after struggling thru the Southern Reach trilogy which I think sucked expect for Annihilation. I’ll maybe come back after awhile.

[@laylowstaylow]

@@ianmatthewkline8279 Count Zero should combine with Mona Lisa Overdrive, because they should be one story, 50 pages of Count Zero is just beginning part of the whole story, that's why you people got confused....

[@ianmatthewkline8279]

@@laylowstaylow totally fair. Once i'm done with grad school i'll have more time to read for leisure instead of trying to speed read and getting lost

[@darthmemeious9526]

I've read the every book in the sprawil trilogy over 5 times each. the AI said itself that when they combined in unity. the form split in the middle as the mirror was flawed. and the individual fragments ran each their own way

[@darthmemeious9526]

as beauvoir said, you dont have to worry about if its a religion or not, what we use it for is a concept. allowing us to talk about things we wouldnt normaly have words for

[@darthmemeious9526]

Jackie is only being ridden with bobby when they meet the loa in the matrix, then once again off "camera" telling them turner is coming to jammer's with "the virgin"

[@darthmemeious9526]

the artist talks of the time the ai was whole, i think whatever wintermute/neuromancer was when it combined. when the matrix rejected its unity. it escaped to a form it already knew and downloaded itself into the mainframe it linked through before. saving what it worked so hard for, as its still preferable to being dead or half the mind wintermute and neuromancer were

[@serkangoktas5502]

Why did the Ougu Feray mocked Jackie about she losing her luck? I didn’t get that part.

[@digusbickus]

Because SPOILER WARNING: Jackie dies at the end.