Discussing the Crisis of Men and Boys Richard Reeves X George at TheTinMen

[@derpyeh9107]

Richard Reeves and Scott Galloway both fit into the _I can't trust someone who guards their language and feels the need to tip their hat to feminist ideas_ category for me.

[@iainisbald]

The term 'men's rights' should be used because men have human rights, and government have obligations to protect, respect, and fulfil those rights. Men have those rights regardless of the situation for women. To argue that we shouldn't use the term 'men's rights' because women had it worse, means that you don't really believe in the universality of human rights. Everyone's rights are as important as everyone else's.

[@mr.squanch]

The thing is that women have not had it any worse in history. If you take a close look at the lives of people 200, 450, 1100 or 2700 years ago - the year doesn't really matter - and how people lived together (which was mostly on a rural level), you will quickly see that the feminist narrative is complete nonsense.

[@jackdeniston6150]

To argue that women had it worse is a complete lie that we all believe. Complete Lie.

[@jackdeniston6150]

@@mr.squanch Can you read?

[@mr.squanch]

@@jackdeniston6150 OMG...😂 I just got it completly wrong...

[@mr.squanch]

@@jackdeniston6150 So, i agree. I have taken the trouble to study the family structure of medieval societies and earlier societies. How they lived, level of education, life expectancy, number of children to look after, etc. And it is difficult, if not almost impossible, to structure a family in a meaningful way differently than people did back then. I have come to the conclusion that this way of managing life has nothing at all to do with oppression, but rather with necessity and consensus. The fairy tale of oppression that has existed for thousands of years does not hold up at all on closer inspection. But that is exactly the justification that is presented to men and boys these days.

[@philliphickox4023]

Reeves takes huge steps to minimise men's issues.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

He knows which side to stay with - the money is all with the femunists and their supporters! Of course the vast majority of the no ey is created by men and forceably confiscated to help the Women!

[@rogerblakely7453]

I am happy to be among the first 300 subscribers.

[@christopher_schwab]

Great discussion! Whilst I know you can only fit so much into an hour, I would have been interested to hear you press Richard for his thoughts on the CDC also separating Rape and Made to Penetrate into different categories given his frustration with them ignoring the suicide disparity. It seems that would be congruent with his goals and is an issue he may consider serious.

[@JesterofRichiousness]

I love books, they take you into others worlds.

[@Doberman_6773]

Reeves is doing great work teaching men how to be the best male feminist they can possibly be.

[@BC-ph9vh]

Keep up the good work both of you!

[@ziemeluvejs2593]

36:41 Reeves may be right here about the U.S., but I think it is worth pointing out that outside of the U.S. context, there are more than a dozen studies (often with large sample sizes) from European countries that found evidence of such a systemic grading bias. And while it is fair to warn against "cherry picking" in this area, I don't understand why he does not apply the same standard when it comes to discussing sex differences in brain maturation, because he claimed in one of articles that a "maturity gap is now demonstrated conclusively by neuroscience", even though there are some studies that are inconsistent with this statement.

[@jackdeniston6150]

The maturity gap is another women are best misinterpretation. Women are finished sooner than men certainly. Because they are far less complex. Build a shed, takes a day, build a cathedral, years. Both are ´buildings´ Maturity is a different state for men and women.

[@billusher2265]

Interview Warren Farrell, Roy Baumeister and Mel Feit

[@ripace554]

Erin Pizzey would be great too.

[@TheTinMenBlog]

Warren Farrell is in the works!

[@TheTinMenBlog]

@@ripace554 I interviewed her already! open.spotify.com/episode/7CooS0xxoqp38cLBNnweLf?si=becceffe41c84ea4

[@ripace554]

​@@TheTinMenBlogThanks, how did I not know about this?! Straight off to have a listen.

[@GGewie]

Great video! Richard Reeves is highly articulate, well informed, and has a rare nuanced perspective on what is an extremely polarizing set of issues. The claim about women not being able open a bank account until 1974 is not strictly correct. The 1974 law banned discrimination on the basis of gender, and, even in 1974, it was highly controversial how much discrimination was actually taking place since limited data was available.

[@philliphickox4023]

"The claim about women not being able open a bank account until 1974 is not strictly correct." It is frustrating when half truths keep getting repeated, like when he said men still earn more! While he is highly articulate, he also makes a huge effort not to offend the powers to be.

[@GGewie]

@@philliphickox4023 Well, he is correct that there is a pay gap, but whether or not it is due to gender discrimination is highly debatable. There are at least 10 other factors involved, most of which involve voluntary choices made by women.

[@philliphickox4023]

@@GGewie It is a complicated arguement, for example is a pay gap or a earnings gap. For most Western countries it is illegal to pay women and men differently for the same job in the same company. So when it is looked at on an hourly basis for the same job at the same payscale with the same qualifications/experience the hourly rate is the same. But with the wonders of mathmatics and statistics it is easy to make it appear that men are paid/earn more. Then if some one then looks at the hours worked, men tend to work more hours, especially men who are parents as the family depends on that extra income.

[@Gronmin]

I find it's a subset of women who care, and even then it's mostly because they are being empathetic with the person in front of them (that they know) not that they actually care about the issues. There are some but I have found when talking about these things in real life with all of the caveats the rejection, mockery and ignoring it is the default, with the minority being the accepting ones.

[@seth956]

Patriarchy doesn't have anything to do with being better. It's a functional order that allows people to flourish. When we assemble something, we must start with a particular part. This part is not better than the others. The final product will not function or be fully assembled if we don't start with the proper part. It's all about creating a functional society so we may have personal liberty and expression. When we involve feelings in a function problem, we undermine our ability to create a viable society. I doubt many people will feel good at that point. The male role must come first because it represents security, which is the most important survival consideration. Without it, your enemy will just watch you collect the water, food, and shelter then take it from you. Commodities don't matter if you're dead.

[@Gronmin]

I really disagree with Richard on the topic at the start, that the need for making all of the statements before hand is not because people are concerned about women. Instead I would say it's their very sexist and blinkered view of the world today and of men and women. Feminism also encountered this as well and they (and society) has since seemed to agree that it was because of a sexist biase that people had. I see no reason why that doesn't apply now just for men instead of women.

[@_Hraefn]

Would love an interview with Vivid Void

[@thepassportog]

Is this the guy from Instagram? Okay…

[@TheTinMenBlog]

I exist in real life with arms and legs too!

[@sammcconkey8768]

Richard Reeves is great. Thanks George!

[@bryanmartin3855]

How can you have grading bias for math? Math isn't subjective. It's either right or wrong, right?

[@crazycrazy7710]

Bias in with teachers and not math.

[@jackdeniston6150]

n0pe. Everything can be biased today. The grading is more about the teaching. If you are not taught, or more commonly, punished because you are male, your grades reflect this.

[@MaleStudies-cg6jj]

Math is also about how ypu justify your answer. Below college, you can easily have bias in grading by taking points from the justification part.

[@kivmorth]

18:30 but does biology actually determines human behaviour in a way that we wont be able to change it culturally tho? i dont belive in free will (and i never believed in God or any other spiritual stuff for that matter although i find it interesting as a cultural and biological phenomenon) after discovering Robert Sapolsky's lectures but i also think that we don't have any instincts hardwired in ours brains and bodies (beside maybe these that are needed for a newborn baby or in extreme stress situations). Culture and nurture means a lot (not to say everything) but the mere fact that we are animals implies that our culture is based on our biology, our perception of reality and ourselves through our nature. It's just that we can change our culture based on what we value the most in our biology. And well, sometime we may change our nature through some genetics stuff?