Discussing the Crisis of Men and Boys Richard Reeves X George at TheTinMen

[@iainisbald]

The term 'men's rights' should be used because men have human rights, and government have obligations to protect, respect, and fulfil those rights. Men have those rights regardless of the situation for women. To argue that we shouldn't use the term 'men's rights' because women had it worse, means that you don't really believe in the universality of human rights. Everyone's rights are as important as everyone else's.

[@BaronSquanch]

The thing is that women have not had it any worse in history. If you take a close look at the lives of people 200, 450, 1100 or 2700 years ago - the year doesn't really matter - and how people lived together (which was mostly on a rural level), you will quickly see that the feminist narrative is complete nonsense.

[@jackdeniston6150]

To argue that women had it worse is a complete lie that we all believe. Complete Lie.

[@jackdeniston6150]

@@BaronSquanch Can you read?

[@BaronSquanch]

@@jackdeniston6150 OMG...😂 I just got it completly wrong...

[@BaronSquanch]

@@jackdeniston6150 So, i agree. I have taken the trouble to study the family structure of medieval societies and earlier societies. How they lived, level of education, life expectancy, number of children to look after, etc. And it is difficult, if not almost impossible, to structure a family in a meaningful way differently than people did back then. I have come to the conclusion that this way of managing life has nothing at all to do with oppression, but rather with necessity and consensus. The fairy tale of oppression that has existed for thousands of years does not hold up at all on closer inspection. But that is exactly the justification that is presented to men and boys these days.

[@RM-uk4xq]

The difference between toxic & nontoxic masculinity is nontoxic = benefits women, toxic = doesn’t center women

[@chimpwimp9407]

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. The issue is that toxic masculinity can in certain ways benefit men and not women and benefit women and not men. When I say "toxic masculinity" I really just mean traditional gender roles. For example, toxic masculinity can help men in the area of being a leader but hurt a woman in the same work place. On the flip side, toxic masculinity can say that men have to pay for women and pamper them with gifts while the women rarely ever need to initiate because it would take away their traditional womanhood. These are light examples. It obviously goes deeper than that but those are just to examples.

[@RM-uk4xq]

@ where have you heard a woman call men paying for stuff as toxic?

[@chimpwimp9407]

@@RM-uk4xq You obviously missed my point. My point was that there are ways in which toxic masculinity helps women and hurts them. In this case, pampering women is part of toxic masculinity that helps them.

[@RM-uk4xq]

@ ok define toxic versus nontoxic masculinity

[@chimpwimp9407]

@ There are some that do and some that don’t. Typically progressive women (feminists) will call it toxic. One time a white woman let me on a bus first which seemed to have annoyed the black woman behind her. Obviously not all of them are like this but you get the idea.

[@fcolecumberri]

One would assume that not turning the homework and not paying attention in class would affect every subject equally. However somehow the more objective the class is (Like Math), paying attention and doing homework is less important. That or the more objective the class is (Like Math), bias manifests less. According to Richard Reeves if we only had more data we could solve this puzzle... This only shows a bigger problem: When women/girls are doing worst, the first theory to rise is systemic bias even after proven the contrary. When Men/boys are doing worst, the first theory to rise is an innate problem in boys/men/masculinity even after proven the contrary.

[@okaySam]

Perfectly encapsulated.

[@andluc693]

I agree completely that the vast majority of women can be onboard here.Problem is this majority aren’t the ones heading into politics ,media or activism

[@jonahtwhale1779]

No, The silent women are quite happy to accept the advantages that femunists have guilted men into giving women. These women will not lift a finger for equality for men.

[@fcolecumberri]

About the last part, when Richard Reeves suggest that we should ask to the feminist women in the UN and similar organizations (the same people whose entire model, discurse, carrier and business is centered on the idea that men have it always better just because they were born on a patriarchy) that maybe they can help... Have anyone here ever knew Erin Pizzey's story? When at any part of the world, someone wants to raise a shelter for men, who stop them? If you want to do something like this, do not ask for permission nor help, just do it.

[@philipc8280]

Who's stopping them? Did you know Erin Pizzy got bomb threats when she tries to include men?

[@rogerblakely7453]

I am happy to be among the first 300 subscribers.

[@ziemeluvejs2593]

36:41 Reeves may be right here about the U.S., but I think it is worth pointing out that outside of the U.S. context, there are more than a dozen studies (often with large sample sizes) from European countries that found evidence of such a systemic grading bias. And while it is fair to warn against "cherry picking" in this area, I don't understand why he does not apply the same standard when it comes to discussing sex differences in brain maturation, because he claimed in one of articles that a "maturity gap is now demonstrated conclusively by neuroscience", even though there are some studies that are inconsistent with this statement.

[@jackdeniston6150]

The maturity gap is another women are best misinterpretation. Women are finished sooner than men certainly. Because they are far less complex. Build a shed, takes a day, build a cathedral, years. Both are ´buildings´ Maturity is a different state for men and women.

[@oxymoron500]

​@@jackdeniston6150well, women are the ones with the complex hormonal system, wouldn't you agree?

[@SpicyMarshmellow3]

I really want to like Reeves. I'm really trying. But I feel very marginalized by him, and very upset that he is arising as this most prominent mainstream acceptable voice speaking for me. I called myself a feminist from my mid-teens to mid-thirties and said a lot of the things that it's popular to say today before it was popular. And truly believed them. But I found myself in an abusive relationship, partly because I went out of my way to help someone based on those beliefs. I knew I was in an abusive situation, but I convinced myself for like 15 years that I was an outlier and my story didn't matter in the bigger picture. But a few years ago when my home situation was hitting its breaking point, the cracks started forming in my worldview, and I started looking around more objectively at the stories of the men that I knew, the realization dawned on me that almost every man I knew had been abused by women in their lives. And there was just such a strong taboo on recognizing that fact that I wasn't willing to do it until my world was falling apart. And as soon as I started talking with people about my situation and asking to be treated with consideration in the discourse by the progressive circles I'd been immersed in for decades, I felt a sort of hatred from everybody that I'd never felt before. This immense peer pressure of "Stop. You're one of the good ones. But if you can't let this go, that won't be the case anymore. You're an outlier. The discourse doesn't have to respect you because you're an outlier. If you don't meekly shrink into the shadows with your story, then you're out. You'll be one of the Tate crowd to us." I started paying more attention to "manosphere" spaces because they actually allowed me to exist. Because my son attempted suicide because I couldn't leave his mom for years for fear of him ending up living alone with her, and if that had happened I am 100% certain he would be dead today. And I hit institutional barrier after barrier to navigating that situation with my son's life intact. Because that same son almost didn't graduate high school because he was unpopular (due to having issues for obvious reasons) and in his senior year random rumors started spreading about him being a rapist... despite him not having a social life and spending zero time with anyone outside of class. He never even found out who started the rumors or who he was supposed to have raped. But he was afraid to go to school, because he felt like he was going to get jumped by vigilantes. Because my kids have had elementary teachers who openly told their students to their faces that they hate boys and discriminate against them. And despite them having very few male teachers, my kids have seen two separate cases of male teachers being accused of sexual molestation by their female students, who later admitted that it was a lie because they just didn't like the teacher. But when I try to talk about those issues in progressive spaces, I'm stonewalled. They're considered at odds with women's issues. Because how dare I imply false accusations actually happen. How dare I imply that domestic violence isn't a male perpetrator/female victim issue. How dare I imply that women can be sexist to men. Sexism is something men do to women. These things can't be remotely considered as possible, because to even give that a shred of credence would, in their view, roll back decades of progress on women's rights. To them certain issues are zero sum. I don't believe they are. But that's how they see it. For example, false accusations are hard stop. You can't talk about it. They'll admit it happens and it's horrible. But to actually have that conversation of "ok how do we handle accusations then", they see any inch given on seeing false accusations as something that deserves attention for the sake of men as a hate crime against women. And to be clear, abusers lie about their victims. If women can be abusers, then it's reasonable for men confronted with an abusive woman to fear false accusations. It's a fear I still have about my ex to this day, because she lied about me to protect herself from being seen as an abuser constantly, and people believed her. As happens in all cases of domestic abuse. That's just the nature of it. So if we ever went to court or she felt like she were facing any sort of social outing, why would I not expect her to falsely accuse me of something to protect herself? And when I look around at the other men in these men's rights spaces, I mostly see men who have had experiences like mine. I don't see men like Reeves who've done just fine and had no issues with the legal system or with being discriminated against by women or abused. I mostly see men who've been put through hell somehow. Someone like Reeves just doesn't speak for us, and in some respects, actively throws us under the bus. It was heartbreaking to see him (very tactfully) marginalize us when asked directly about domestic violence, or at the end of the video even get somewhat scornful at the notion that people like me should be treated as real.

[@rentaleper3816]

I'm sorry that happened to you and your son. Your post resonated with me greatly, especially recovering from believing in that "happy wife happy life" nonsense. It makes men vulnerable to abuse and it took me quite some time to realize just how miserable i have been in my last LTR. I have brushed it off everything for years and always blamed myself, i still do sometimes. This may sound funny, but ever since then, I feel generally unsafe around woman i have to work with. I always have my guard up and make up scenarios in my head to prepare for being attacked verbally and psychologically - it's very strange, because i get along splendidly with the woman in my life, but every time i'm about to interact with woman i don't know, i can't stop ruminating about this. I hope your son is doing well, my heart goes out to the two of you!

[@semperfidelis6943]

You raise some really valid point and speak to the loneliness experienced when trying to surface these painful issues.

[@MrSohrab76]

Very true. I had a very similar experience. Men ARE being discriminated against. Not only by laws but by the attitudes of those in power. Reeves is a shill that spends his time having pleasant conversations with feminists and revelling in the attention and acceptance he gets being one of the "good guys". He likely never spends time with men that have really been affected by the issues in family court. His lukewarm call to action is not fooling anybody.

[@oxymoron500]

as a women, I'm really sorry that happened to you and I'm ready to call out these injustices

[@kenyanicholas6809]

I saw you on Reddit.

[@philliphickox4023]

Reeves takes huge steps to minimise men's issues.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

He knows which side to stay with - the money is all with the femunists and their supporters! Of course the vast majority of the no ey is created by men and forceably confiscated to help the Women!

[@drewyetti]

I suspect that too and I suspect that he’s trying to subvert men’s issues to reflect feminist views.

[@tonguemybumb]

​@@drewyetti especially how he constantly mentions he's a democrat and left winger. I suspect he's trying to gatekeep men's rights issues (watered down version) and isolate the traditional faces of the manosphere.

[@billusher2265]

Interview Warren Farrell, Roy Baumeister and Mel Feit

[@ripace554]

Erin Pizzey would be great too.

[@TheTinMenBlog]

Warren Farrell is in the works!

[@TheTinMenBlog]

@@ripace554 I interviewed her already! open.spotify.com/episode/7CooS0xxoqp38cLBNnweLf?si=becceffe41c84ea4

[@ripace554]

​@@TheTinMenBlogThanks, how did I not know about this?! Straight off to have a listen.

[@officiallydreama4412]

I would say bring on Jason Wilson as well

[@christopher_schwab]

Great discussion! Whilst I know you can only fit so much into an hour, I would have been interested to hear you press Richard for his thoughts on the CDC also separating Rape and Made to Penetrate into different categories given his frustration with them ignoring the suicide disparity. It seems that would be congruent with his goals and is an issue he may consider serious.

[@burtonlee22]

Delighted you are interviewing Richard, watching it in full now

[@derpyeh9107]

Richard Reeves and Scott Galloway both fit into the _I can't trust someone who guards their language and feels the need to tip their hat to feminist ideas_ category for me.

[@finze1]

Have you considered the possibility they actually believe what they're saying? I mean, those feminist ideals (whilst not all logical) are there to help protect women and their rights, which is also part of our job as men.

[@derpyeh9107]

@finze1 I don't doubt their sincerity, which is all the more reason for me to distrust them. Feminism and male protection of women are mutually exclusive. Equality can not exist when one party relies on the other for protection or provision. In other words, women can enjoy equality or chivalry, but not both.

[@philipc8280]

Even though I don't agree with everything he says, he's shifting the needle towards normalization which is necessary

[@GGewie]

Great video! Richard Reeves is highly articulate, well informed, and has a rare nuanced perspective on what is an extremely polarizing set of issues. The claim about women not being able open a bank account until 1974 is not strictly correct. The 1974 law banned discrimination on the basis of gender, and, even in 1974, it was highly controversial how much discrimination was actually taking place since limited data was available.

[@philliphickox4023]

"The claim about women not being able open a bank account until 1974 is not strictly correct." It is frustrating when half truths keep getting repeated, like when he said men still earn more! While he is highly articulate, he also makes a huge effort not to offend the powers to be.

[@GGewie]

@@philliphickox4023 Well, he is correct that there is a pay gap, but whether or not it is due to gender discrimination is highly debatable. There are at least 10 other factors involved, most of which involve voluntary choices made by women.

[@philliphickox4023]

@@GGewie It is a complicated arguement, for example is a pay gap or a earnings gap. For most Western countries it is illegal to pay women and men differently for the same job in the same company. So when it is looked at on an hourly basis for the same job at the same payscale with the same qualifications/experience the hourly rate is the same. But with the wonders of mathmatics and statistics it is easy to make it appear that men are paid/earn more. Then if some one then looks at the hours worked, men tend to work more hours, especially men who are parents as the family depends on that extra income.

[@philliphickox4023]

@@GGewie My other comment was deleted by KZbin.

[@ericjames7819]

They still shouldn't be able to.

[@Doberman_6773]

Reeves is doing great work teaching men how to be the best male feminist they can possibly be.

[@rentaleper3816]

yup, sums it up nicely

[@hughiemg2]

Thanks for all the work you are doing, keep it up please!

[@OliM9595]

this is such an interesting discussions, two people who don't have totally polar opposite views discussing a topic respectfully. I often see these sorta of discussions done by people who bring on others who are so combative where nothing of substance is discussed. Where these two people are able to concede on certain points where, for example, a Christian is not gonna concede to a Muslim on the point of Jesus being the son of god.

[@Bjorn_R]

I saw the comedian Whitney Cummings talk about circumcision with Chris Williamson. She quite clearly put some thought into it and didnt seem to have strong stance on it herself. I was mindblown to hear that she decided to remove the foreskin of her son on the argument that he should look like his father. Of all arguments, thats the one she went with? Take any other invasive surgery and use that argument and ask yourself if that makes sense. That would be a never ending loop of circumcisions.

[@williamgordon4001]

Awesome stuff, George

[@BC-ph9vh]

Keep up the good work both of you!

[@__anonymous__4533]

My concern with all this biological reductionism is that this might actually backfiring against men and boys by institutionalizing misandry. And the worse part will be that everyone will think they are building some great civilization and doing good.

[@SpicyMarshmellow3]

That is one of my grave concerns with Reeve's red-shirting proposal for education.

[@andrewgray2029]

What's the music/song at the outro?

[@LaboriousCretin]

16:36 Toxic masculinity is cherry picking a very small amount to smear a larger grouping. Besides you don't hear of toxic femininity, and it should cross sexes as a term. I don't think they want to deal with that. One thing it does show is a bias set. 20:48 look into your crime statistics and sentences for male vs female for the same crimes. Inate biases in the system starts to show. Look at male vs female support networks and systems for abused and abuse statistics for both sexes and does it correlate. 24:18 Look at male vs female teachers and counselors rates. 25:35 male vs female sex workers to show one side of natural imbalances. Mining and heavy industry more male sided naturally. Forced placement over merit and such is a bad thing generally. 28:30 Notice it started in the male side, but the female side is spiking also now, but still under males and almost like a delayed tracking. Also look for a spike in female teachers or counselors R@%ing kids. Also the tracking of masculine vs feminine qualities in both sexes and age ramge. Or biochemical and plastics with estrogen mimicking plasticizers leaching and reports of low T or sperm counts. Even things like entertainment have been changing imprints. The lack of strong male roles and bad representations of strong females. Injection and hijacking of male spaces instead of making new variants. 44:20 Nice to see you caught that. In a way links to lego test. Boys look up to role models to be like or imitate in ways and girls look to change things to fit them, and how that evolves out with complexities as they age. 48:28 The patriarchy is a social war bias set that has morphed over time in the US. Used in bias shifting within echo chambers on the feminist side. The male red pilled side has the same type of things, just different talking points that bias shift. Both have a political leaning with small crossovers. 58:51 It's neglect and rights. If you want equality than use things like statistics to help guide what and where to help. Thank you for sharing the video.

[@DictatorDoPa]

Their whole gang is made of post-human sycophantic hippies in the throws of a shroom binge.

[@JesterofRichiousness]

I love books, they take you into others worlds.

[@Gronmin]

I really disagree with Richard on the topic at the start, that the need for making all of the statements before hand is not because people are concerned about women. Instead I would say it's their very sexist and blinkered view of the world today and of men and women. Feminism also encountered this as well and they (and society) has since seemed to agree that it was because of a sexist biase that people had. I see no reason why that doesn't apply now just for men instead of women.

[@ErnoSallinen]

I posted this video accompanied by a well thought out text about gender equality to my 1400+ friends on Facebook yesterday, on the International Men's Day. Got four likes and zero comments.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Main cause of suicide is family breakdown with society and family courts heavily biased against men. Taking his children away from him is often the one thing that tips him 8ver the edge!

[@brianmeen2158]

This was a great discussion! Thanks George n Richard

[@symonym7]

Post-election in the US I'm seeing a meme making the rounds telling 'good' men to stand up against those holding up the "women are property" (or whatever) signs, and my first thought was: "...but I thought confrontation is toxic masculinity?" So now that there is a perceived threat women need protection from we're allowed to be aggressive? Something like that..?

[@autoclearanceuk7191]

Re male suicide. I have looked and there is not enough information in the stats on who commits suicide. The stats are not broken down into employment status, medical conditions, relationship status, family history and much more. In Scotland the suicide stats are not even divided into male/ female. Male suicide is an epidemic, and needs vigorous in depth studies to get to root causes. I have not seen any research papers or stats that does this.

[@bryanmartin3855]

How can you have grading bias for math? Math isn't subjective. It's either right or wrong, right?

[@crazycrazy7710]

Bias in with teachers and not math.

[@jackdeniston6150]

n0pe. Everything can be biased today. The grading is more about the teaching. If you are not taught, or more commonly, punished because you are male, your grades reflect this.

[@MaleStudies-cg6jj]

Math is also about how ypu justify your answer. Below college, you can easily have bias in grading by taking points from the justification part.

[@fcolecumberri]

Maybe that's the reason why Math is one of the few subjects where boys are not behind girls (Actually boys are slightly better).

[@Stoneballs315]

Recognizing the progress achieved by women could result in substantial financial and political repercussions, potentially weakening the left across the nation. Consider racism, for instance; despite considerable improvements, some on the left behave as though racism today is more severe than it was in the 1960s during the Jim Crow era. TThe left often struggles to acknowledge progress, operating instead on fear and emotion.

[@_Hraefn]

Would love an interview with Vivid Void

[@kivmorth]

18:30 but does biology actually determines human behaviour in a way that we wont be able to change it culturally tho? i dont belive in free will (and i never believed in God or any other spiritual stuff for that matter although i find it interesting as a cultural and biological phenomenon) after discovering Robert Sapolsky's lectures but i also think that we don't have any instincts hardwired in ours brains and bodies (beside maybe these that are needed for a newborn baby or in extreme stress situations). Culture and nurture means a lot (not to say everything) but the mere fact that we are animals implies that our culture is based on our biology, our perception of reality and ourselves through our nature. It's just that we can change our culture based on what we value the most in our biology. And well, sometime we may change our nature through some genetics stuff?

[@chriswyer7144]

"Ask for permission", I think that's down to us.😐

[@CanalDoJothape584]

15:43: “The term 'toxic masculinity' is in itself, toxic

[@thepassportog]

Is this the guy from Instagram? Okay…

[@TheTinMenBlog]

I exist in real life with arms and legs too!

[@Gronmin]

I find it's a subset of women who care, and even then it's mostly because they are being empathetic with the person in front of them (that they know) not that they actually care about the issues. There are some but I have found when talking about these things in real life with all of the caveats the rejection, mockery and ignoring it is the default, with the minority being the accepting ones.

[@stopdragginaround]

I think here we are throwing out the power of empathy though. If everyone met everyone with empathy and a willingness to connect (men met men with empathy and openness, women met women, men met women) then we wouldn't have the loneliness crisis on either genders side. I would say empathy is the super power, not railing on the internet.

[@polyspastos]

Richard does so much sugarcoating i wonder how hes not diabetic yet

[@rasputintouring9014]

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[@sammcconkey8768]

Richard Reeves is great. Thanks George!

[@stunspot]

Richard drives me nuts. He's oriented to the right goal. But he insists on communicating like a woman. I can't respect him. Every time he leans into the "men like to provide" horsecrap, he ALWAYS skips the important bit: like to provide for worthwhile women who need them. Look, if you want to get anywhere in these topics, the VERY first question you MUST answer - out loud, with your bare face hanging out - is "What should we BLAME women for?" What character flaws are they commonly prone to and are obligated to work on and control and SHOULD be shamed for succumming to? Men have violence and sexual desire. What do women have? If you can't say "These are ways women are shitty." with your name attached, you are not an honest actor. Always refuse to talk with a woman about these things until she answers it. Don't accuse - ASK.

[@yurigansmith]

Exactly.

[@stopdragginaround]

I think most women though, would just answer with what a bad person is. Like, I don't get yall, if we just treated everyone as people, stopped socialising boys and girls differently (and, don't get me wrong, I think we fail young boys completely in how they are taught and treated differently than women) we would have a lot less problems.

[@seth956]

Patriarchy doesn't have anything to do with being better. It's a functional order that allows people to flourish. When we assemble something, we must start with a particular part. This part is not better than the others. The final product will not function or be fully assembled if we don't start with the proper part. It's all about creating a functional society so we may have personal liberty and expression. When we involve feelings in a function problem, we undermine our ability to create a viable society. I doubt many people will feel good at that point. The male role must come first because it represents security, which is the most important survival consideration. Without it, your enemy will just watch you collect the water, food, and shelter then take it from you. Commodities don't matter if you're dead.

[@ericjames7819]

The reason men represent security is because we use reason to function in reality. Women live in a world of their emotions.

[@oxymoron500]

​@@ericjames7819 we can see how unemotional men are when they watch football or play videogames. ah, but that doesn't count, right?

[@ericjames7819]

@oxymoron500 correct. they aren't basing life decisions on it. It isn't even the emotions that are relevant, it's reacting based on emotions or using reason despite emotions.

[@oxymoron500]

@@ericjames7819 what life decisions are women basing on emotions? i cannot think of any.

[@ericjames7819]

@oxymoron500 you must be joking? Going into to debt for degrees that make them feel good. Marrying and divorcing because of how they feel. Voting for public policies and candidates that make them feel good. Wanting to make as much money as men but also wanting to marry a man who makes more money than her. Wanting to be "equal", but wanting to receive special treatment from men. The list is endless.

[@alexmuenster2102]

53:08 "40% of women in the U.S. earn more than the average man." Mr. Reeves cites this as a POSITIVE example of the "strides forward" which feminism has achieved for the female sex. But this includes the TACIT and FALLACIOUS assumption that "better career chances" plus "higher earning" = "better for women," let alone "better for society." WESTERN SOCIETIES ARE DYING OUT, because women have been ENTICED and SHAMED into equating "earning power" with "personal fulfillment." Western women are taking record-breaking levels of mood-altering (prescription) drugs. Western women are increasingly hitting 45 and (suddenly) realizing that their eggs are gone, and that life in an office cubicle is NOT "more fulfilling" and "more valuable" than homemaking and raising children.

[@oxymoron500]

if its so fulfilling, why aren't there any men interested in homemaking and raising children?

[@alexmuenster2102]

@@oxymoron500 >>if its so fulfilling, why aren't there any men interested in homemaking and raising children?

[@oxymoron500]

@@alexmuenster2102 ah, I forgot that men and women are different species. eating different foods, speaking different languages, walking differently and enjoying different things. that's why there are no male cooks.

[@stopdragginaround]

Both genders are taking record amounts of mood altering drugs because it's profitable for pharma to medicate. Both genders need better community, but as a woman I find this can come just as much from platonic community as family. I hope men also fine beautiful platonic community amount one another ❤ Many women have decided they do not want children, or they do not want to have children alone and they have not found a partner who they believe would be a good enough co parent. We all make choices and we will all feel a normal amount of suffering. Both having a family and being single are hard in different ways.

[@stopdragginaround]

My question to the people watching and in the comments who are unhappy in Richards approach: what policies do you want that will help men? Like, I see men complaining about the draft, but I've heard drafting women that's gone forward in congregation and been voted down. Draft women if that helps men, cool! I see a lot of men talking on the internet negatively about misandry and things but I NEVER see any recommendations or plans or policy ideas. It more often than not is just referencing women. I would LOVE to see comments from men, helping, loving, and emotionally supporting other men around them!

[@asocialscientistresponds]

The truth is to pay women more to attract men into Healthcare and Human Services.