Discussing The Upcoming 2023 G87 BMW M2 Competition | A LOT To Live Up To!

[@tigeralpha1480]

I believe the F87 M2 will be a future classic. Especially the Competition model because it has a low production number and because it has the s55 so it’s pretty special. It looks amazing . The size is perfect . I mean the car is pretty damn perfect . Even the interior is nice and simple. The G87 on the other hand is noticeably bigger ( about 4 inches in length and 1 inch in width compared to the f87) which will take a part of the feeling of nimbleness away. It s also uglier than the F87 . The Zf is worse than the DCT. I mean the only pro this car has imo is the s58 because it might be a pretty damn reliable engine ( we have to wait and see though, heard there has already been a rod bearing recall for the s58 s ) but the s55 is good enough and tbh you don’t need more than 500hp on a small car like the M2 so the s58 tuneability doesn’t really matter in this case. Just my opinion and damn I just realized how long this comment is lmao

[@MoeStash012]

I don’t think the next M2 is getting an S engine, it’ll come in the comp just like the f87’s

[@SirBJH]

@@MoeStash012 Then it would most likely get the B58 which probably isn’t the case since he mentioned 455hp. It’ll probably be the S58.

[@MoeStash012]

@@SirBJH all speculation. I actually ended up buying one of the last new f87 comps in my country (2 weeks ago) because the info I had from the dealer was that the next m2 will have the b58 and the comp (due 2023) will get the s58.

[@scottiecopasetic8315]

New M2 will get same engine thats in G80/G82 but slightly detuned. I haven't seen new M240i in person but that long bonnet looks strange to me (along with the lights both front & rear). I want a smaller, lighter car. Not something heavier & bigger w/ more HP. Car should weigh no more than 3500lbs. BMW needs to use more CF panels as standard (the cost of CF is dropping). That GT4/RS is close to 3000lbs w/ flat 6 4.0L

[@scottiecopasetic8315]

@@MoeStash012 - congrats on your purchase! Are you enjoying it?

[@14nightwolves]

i’ve owned my ‘17 OG M2 now for over 3 years and love it. seriously hoping this car is a smash hit, i’ll definitely consider upgrading into one

[@Briant7900]

must be nice - 128i owner :(

[@SimplyCarThings]

If it's a hit i'd say it'll be a solid upgrade!

[@dinero8331]

'18 OG Fbo soon going big turbo but now im even reconsidering. I thought I would never part ways, i may need both😂

[@dinero8331]

@@SimplyCarThings the og m2 also has mperformance coilovers and valvetronic exhaust for our car and it completely changes everything

[@hershil12]

just go m2C in my opinion.. these look ugly.. zf transmission.. more weight.. longer.. wider..

[@scottiecopasetic8315]

I'd be interested to know if they'll include adaptive suspension. If not I'll probably keep my F87 Comp (it looks curvier & has those beautiful proportions along w/ aggressive front facia). Not as squared off & boxy looking as the new M2 renders. The interior would be nice with carbon buckets & an that optional CF roof sounds great (a CF bonnet/hood would also be cool option), but those lights in front & rear are strange. I really wanted an M2CS but couldn't find one... Now they're selling for $115k

[@brucemilletto2909]

I bought a beautiful M4 and kept it less than a year - sold for a Porsche that I had for 3 wonderful years but when I had a chance to grab a black M2C that an order got backed out on - I jumped and have never looked back. The present M2C is the most aggressive spirited car I have ever owned. It's a car I can not wait to drive each and every day! I can only hope the new G87 version will be A-mazing! Great video BTW - super informative.

[@dbs_jd]

As a f22 m235i driver, I don't like the look of new 2 series. It will have great performance and a better interior though. As you said, I think a big chunk of the actual f22/f87 drivers don't like the new 2 series, but there's a lot of other people that like it (mostly non-car people).

[@Y333HJMS]

Exactly the thoughts I had ... much prefer the looks of the FXX series (previous F22 M235i owner)

[@johnmctigue1387]

F87 owner and I agree. I can’t get on board with the new 2 series. Or the G8X. It makes me love my F87 even more.

[@SimplyCarThings]

@@johnmctigue1387 i agree so much, these new cars just make me wana hold onto my F8X for as long as possible lol

[@SimplyCarThings]

agreed a lot of non car people seem to like the new design whereas enthusiasts aren't so keen on it!

[@johnmctigue1387]

@@SimplyCarThings facts! I’ve been trying so hard to get on board with the G8X, but it’s just not happening for me lol

[@mevans313]

I have high hopes for this car since it would be a perfect upgrade from my LCI M240i in a few years. Although I can't say I love the design of the new M240i, lets hope the M2 improves upon it enough.

[@SimplyCarThings]

Most definitely! We just have to wait now and find out

[@ryanlen2115]

Nice video. No mention of idrive8 unless I missed it. Not sure how I feel about the big screens tacked on.

[@jlnmlng8372]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Fingers-crossed you could test the G42 M240i and the G87 M2 Competition! Couldn‘t agree more with your thoughts about the design of the G42 and F87 M2/M2 Competition. A few days ago I saw the commercial, which made me „fall in love“ with the 2-series. „The Drift Mob“, filmed in South Africa, with the M235i. I compared this and other TV spots with the actual Commercial of the G42 M240i, there wasn‘t the same feeling..But I think nowadays it is „brave“ that BMW gives us a „small“ car with a inline 6 and rear-wheel drive. Let‘s see what the future will bring. All the best to the Simply Car Things-Family!🍀🙏🏽🙂

[@Mogadypopz]

This will be a tough one as it’s going to be the last rwd bmw M in this coming gen that is under 2 tons. I think I’ll keep the m2c, it’s exactly what I wanted from bmw. Hopefully it isn’t priced like the new gen.

[@Redemption2022]

I like the smaller compressed look of the M2 I think the M3 and M4 are a little too big

[@BigSky_Nomad]

Great video. Excited to see the final design and available options. Confident the performance will be there but how do you top the OG / M2C in looks? That’s a tall order!

[@swpdisciple]

Hey! Is the 2016 (with the non-M motor) M2 worth buying or should I scrape together the additional 15-20K to get a 2018 M2 Competition?

[@s7robe297]

I know this has nothing to do with the vid but I really want a bimmer and don’t know what to get. Was thinking of getting an m240i or stretch the budget to an n55 m2 or 2016 era f80 m3. I really like the b58 and would end up getting the lsd add on later down the line if I ended up with the 240.

[@GordonGreenCincinnati]

No link in description?

[@SimplyCarThings]

apologies, just added it in

[@fullthrill7314]

I wish DCT was still an option too. I can finally afford one, and of course it has the zf8. The zf8 has a good rep, but I’ve always wanted to experience a good DCT if I was not going to get manual.

[@ARKXR1]

Will the OG F87 tank in value then?

[@Shcleichtallikatla]

I look forward to upgrading my current M235i to this upcoming G87 M2!!

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

This M2 will be amazing. Pretty sure will be categorized as the best ///M yet. Or maybe the most overpowered ///M. They can’t give the M2 every option the M3/M4 get. It will destroy their sales. The carbon bucket seats will probably be available on a future Competition/CS edition. I’m surprised this one will have a carbon roof from the get go.

[@freedbeefpontoons]

All the specs sound really good. It's interesting, BMW seems to be positioning this car as almost an M2.5. It'll likely be priced closer to the M3/M4 than previous generations and I think it'll move upmarket if it's getting things like a standard CF roof. When the M2 started out, it was a full step down from the M3/M4, but once the M2 Competition came out and kind of set the precedent for having an "S" engine in the chassis the car almost became a "short wheelbase M3/M4" more than that full step down like it used to be. I think with stuff like the no carbon buckets for the G87 or the lack of colors/no HUD with the F87, its really BMW trying to almost inject value into the bigger, more expensive cars. Because if BMW honestly gave the M2 a non-detuned S58 and some more options, nobody would buy an M4, because why would you (Unless you need AWD i guess.) The interesting thing will be to see how close the G87 gets to the G80/82/83 on price this time around. When the M2 came out in 2016, just five years ago it was a $50K and change car. I'm guessing it's going to be closer to $70K now. Also, side note, I really feel you on those F87 colors. I have a Hockenheim silver M2C and man...don't get me wrong it's a very pretty color, but when you're paying that much for a car, it would be nice to have more than 5 options. And yeah, basically every time I see another one, it looks like my twin.

[@seanmt5]

Regarding the seats, i think Bmw and M division know what the're doing and why the Carbon Fiber Buckets are not available. General public or the few that want to buy it i think prefer some normalness to the M2 and comfort

[@er98ah]

New designs are amazing!! I hope they hit us with a monster grill on the m2. Go big or go home!!

[@francisgomes9976]

Its going to lose the M2 characteristic with new model being 300ibs heavier and larger car. Tho.. Its going to little faster, ZF8 transmission is smooth but cant match dual cluth.. Exteior designs is taking a step backward juding by the new 230i and M240i. Could have been much worse if they decided to keep the M4 grill 😂😂 One thing its got going on is the S58 reliblity over S55

[@SimplyCarThings]

Yea im a bit worried about the added weight too, and the ZF8 just isn't the same as the DCT. Design language is very questionable, but i'm reserving my judgment until the car is actually revealed

[@francisgomes9976]

@@SimplyCarThings I would've been okay with everything else, but new car is going weigh around 3850-3900 lbs and its going be little larger overall. Thats a deal breaker for me.. I will keep my M235i for a while. Perhaps next car I will get used AMG GTS or a 991 Carrera

[@GoBrand0n]

M2 with X drive is a very serious sleeper

[@deaconstevej1]

From what you showed, I like the direction, and you know I like Big Beamers. We'll just have to wait and see

[@clintz7906]

M2 is certainty the goldilocks of a M-car I absolutely love the OG N55 engine although its not a M-engine. It gave M-cars variety in terms of engine sound and character. Now all M-cars sound the same because they have the same engine. That's a bit disappointing to me as a purist.

[@bmw-rebuilder-8639]

The car weight distribution and symmetrics aren't good the specs are decent but nothing compares to the n54 platform I keep trying to tell people that they don't get it

[@LRS7B]

*02:27* Your the first and only person to say the *G87 M2* will be RWD only 🧐🧐

[@icanmanifest]

If that spy shot of the front clip is real.. this isn't going to be a beautiful design like the current gen. It doesn't look bad.. just looks unnecessarily over-styled. Hopefully the final product looks better.

[@SimplyCarThings]

I genuinely hope so too man

[@noblesseoblige4622]

Let’s be real here the f87 was already like 3600lbs as it is 😅 if they keep it around there I think it will be fine

[@micraw714]

I think it's going to look dope in person! I loved the G80/82 from the beginning too though. I'm weird like that lol

[@SirJamesTND]

M2 is weird. There was never a weight difference from the m3/4. Its just physically smaller

[@user-sn5kj1gy1t]

I’m very excited to see what this thing is capable of.

[@bella_testastretta]

I read "Disgusting" and was ready to click like but read again and it was "Discussing" lol

[@skrypka]

I don't even understand how people can compare G87 and F87. F87 is built on the basis of a small family car with too many compromises none of us wants. G87 is a dedicated sports car platform. Lousy Zupra is based on this platform. This M2 will be something enthusiasts were waiting for a long time. It's a pity that it's a bit too late and just before eletification comes to wipe IC cars from the elite, but for real enthusiasts as long as there are gas stations around it should not be a problem. For those in doubt just look what is the driving position in G87 - the seats are placed in the car where the driver is sitting almost on a rear axle, which is a great balance. It's a real sports car, finally!

[@Toymonkeyjr]

if they don't fix the grille and tailights and make it rwd only then it's gonna be a downgrade

[@caribbeanseas]

The bmw community for the most part needs to learn to accept change. Some of the most groundbreaking inventions or events where controversial. I have a BMW G82 X Drivre in Portimao frozen blue and I have been stopped by so many people in the va last few weeks that have told how amazing it looks. Mostly these people are probably not bmw Fanboys and had no expectations on the car and what it “should” have looked like according to “them”. I’ve had all the M3/M4 cars back to the E36 and that kidney grille was getting stale quite honestly. Also to answer the question what would the appeal be for the M4/M3 against the M2? Obviously as far as the M3 goes that questions answers itself just because it’s four doors. Secondly as I’m over 35yrs old an M2 seems just a little to “ricer” looking and unrefined, it doesn’t have the same road presence and as you said it’s stubby looking. Not taking away from its capabilities but If you’re in you’re late thirties you probably aren’t going to be to interested in this model. P.S i don’t where know this pig snout sh*t started but obviously this is a major exaggeration.

[@paulpateman6723]

I think BMW will get the G87 M2 spot on Omar a friend of a friend works for BMW and they are well aware of the standard set but the F87 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍🇬🇧👍

[@Mr_g.h.o.s.t.e90]

I work for a bmw dealership and honestly waiting for the m2 to fully unveil so I can decide on either getting that or an f87 m2 comp the m2s are so fun to drive so I’m praying they don’t drop the ball

[@GiovanniGamer345]

This one is kinda livable, hope it doesn't weight as Much as a elephant like the m4

[@SimplyCarThings]

Same here, hoping the curb weight is less as well

[@lindylindylindy]

that render looks like a vacuum cleaner

[@unowen-nh9ov]

Since u suk u wood no.

[@TheHoosiers2008]

Agree, just picked up a 20 F87. I think this G87 will be great as long as they replace those hideous triangle shapes on the front bumper with the typical M treatment. The overall shape of the car is good. The CS version of this thing will be a collector’s car as it’ll be the last M that’s not hybrid or electric. Probably.

[@hyperinflation5285]

If it doesnt have the bucktooth grill im in.

[@SimplyCarThings]

i think its safe to assume it wont. Lets hope the rest of the car looks good!

[@sRxcss]

This riced e90 taillights hurt my eyes

[@tractioncontroldelete]

I hope the new M2 is a hit so I can pick up a OG M2 for cheap 😂

[@razorraysolarsavings70]

They are already cheap, lows $30’s. Lol

[@aaronmunro5818]

The iDrive8 will be in the new M2, and is a tech nightmare. Also looks terrible. Doesn’t belong in an M2. They should have stayed old-school with the dash and interior. Absolute deal-breaker. The 2021 M2 Comp is the last of the classic M cars.

[@BrianJohnson-kh7mg]

I think it'll be somewhere in between. A lot of people will prefer the f87 but it won't be as ugly as the new M3 and m4s. It will definitely feel more synthetic. And be heavier but also more powerful. The f87 will probably become known as the more raw analog version. And many people will prefer that.

[@SimplyCarThings]

I think you summed it up pretty well. If the M2 at least looks better than the current M3/M4 i'm all for it lol

[@Mo-ij8re]

the new m2 looks absolutely terrible like the rest of the new bmw lineup, idk how you people think these cars look good. the f87 was a perfect m2 all around especially in styling

[@SimplyCarThings]

well the car hasn't been unveiled yet so i think it's a bit early to jump the gun and say it looks terrible IMO

[@Mo-ij8re]

@@SimplyCarThings definitely true but renderings of the g80 were just about the same so I feel as if these renderings are fairly accurate but we’ll see. overall these new m cars just look terrible man idk what happened. the f80/82 were the last best looking m cars. also been watching your channel since the e92 days man loving the m4 content

[@kcw9313]

If it doesn't come with wider fenders front and rear, it's a non-starter for me. If yes, this is really the real M3/4. The G87 proportions are just right as I found the F87 a bit short bus with a blocky/flat rear end. The size is right to get a manual trans, although the BMW shift action leaves a lot to be desired compared to Porsche/Honda.

[@freedbeefpontoons]

Hard to tell with the camo, but if you look closely you can see that the G87 will be wider than the M240i version. It's easiest to tell around the front fenders, since the rears are already really flared on the non-M version. But if you look closely at the M2 under the camo at the front fenders you can see how much wider they are.

[@SimplyCarThings]

i agree i prefer the look of the slightly longer G87, looks less stubby and the roofline looks a bit sleeker. I'm 99% sure it's going to get nice and wide fender arches

[@joshuawi99]

The shortness of the F87 is the reason it is so great. The new M2 is like an F80 M3…

[@skillz1855]

Well it's not 2022 yet

[@mrjsprenger1285]

What do you think of the 1M? I know limited numbers but essentially the same recipe as the OG M2.

[@SimplyCarThings]

I like it, but I would rather have an OG M2 tbh. And i think the M2 is a much better value especially when comparing the market for both

[@t1000eg]

Had my 1M for 10 years now, by far the best car I’ve ever had..

[@jimbaranresidence8]

A6 C7 Headlight.... 10yrs ago.......

[@unowen-nh9ov]

2002 tii, half a century ago. Original 328, 80 years ago.

[@sunmin0316]

its ugly