Discussion about When to Deploy a Throw Bag | Ep. 233

[@598victor]

Loved his comment “Ignorance mixed with good intentions”. Happens all too frequently in a confined space. A worker has goes down, and without knowing why, or what they should actually do, people go in to rescue them and the bodies just stack up.

[@henryswood]

A ROPE IN WATER, is like: AN EVIL SERPENT, WAITING TO DO NOTHING BUT HARM. I Love, what you are saying about the danger of ropes in the water. Ropes in the water, should always be the last resort. As guides, on commercial whitewater, We were always taught to get the swimmer (with a boat), or, self rescue, before deploying rope. But we trained guests to expect a rope at times of danger (Depending on our location and circumstance.) Which is confusing, for sure. But in remote areas it becomes more apparent to me, to resist what I've been taught, and wait, even longer, for the moment to throw. Don't waste a rope throw!! If you don't know how to coil and re-throw, you are no longer effective. Thank you for a great video. And remember these acronyms: ASSIST= Assess the situation, Send for help, Send upstream notifications, Implement a plan, Stabilize, Transport KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid

[@mikewhittet8499]

100% spot on. I had a similar scenario a while back. Just like in Alex's situation, the person was sill in the boat and fighting. Bagging them would have been the worst idea. People downstream were also yelling at me to get them a rope and gave me a ration of s#!t until the kayaker actually said he did not need or want a rope after it was all said and done.

[@AlexBarham]

Just followed the Analytics rabbit hole over here. Great channel, don't know how this is the first I am seeing your content. Thanks for the love!

[@GearGarageTV]

Thanks for putting that video together. Way too many people think that problem=rope and it's nice to get the message out that ropes can make things worse.

[@stephencifka4629]

Really helpful to learn from your insights/experience. Well explained. Thanks!!

[@halldorvagn]

Can't argue your logic here. Also - the throwbag is most often used from downstream safety when people know it is the way out, it's usually a team decision to set up the safety there with it.

[@downtheriv]

Also worth noting that a thrower needs to be aware of their surroundings. Sounds obvious, but it is easy to have laser focus on bagging a swimmer only to get dragged into the river due to poor footing. Bad mistake I have learned from.

[@barraliddy9458]

Rescue 3 teaches a priority list of rescue techniques that could be executed: Shout - Reach - Row - Throw - Go 1. Shouting and encouraging a swimmer to self rescue 2. Reach with a paddle if they're in short reach 3. Paddle out to them in a raft or kayak 4. Throw a throwbag to them 5. Conduct a tethered swim rescue 1-5 goes from simple to complex skills. But also 1-5 goes from least dangerous to most dangerous for all involved.

[@roddymacisaac5571]

Is blowing a whistle to get the swimmers attention if yelling does not work?

[@GearGarageTV]

I’ve never done that but it’s a viable option

[@glennsmith7894]

Hi Zack what ever became of the wing Jimbo? The only reviews I can find our yours. It seems if their where more users their would be more reviews. My son just bought an IK so now I am in the market. I love your shows. Glenn Smith

[@GearGarageTV]

I'm not sure. Maybe call Wing and ask them. It's so nice to hear you love the show!

[@zachfinney4255]

Glenn, I ordered one this summer (Chris at wing was great to work with), it’s an absolute blast. I’ll try and get some footage up in the next couple weeks.

[@glennsmith7894]

@@zachfinney4255hi Zack thanks for responding. I would like to chat more about your Jimbo and see any videos you come out with. How do I communicate with you.

[@zachfinney4255]

@@glennsmith7894 I think there’s a Way to send PM’s on KZbin but your’s isn’t showing in the “about” section. Maybe just keep an eye on my videos I should have some Jimbo footage up in the next week or two.

[@stevefrink4842]

Do - know what is going to happen when they grab the rope. Landing them well is as important as a proper throw.

[@dgiroday1]

A poorly thrown rope is worse than no rope. If a rope is tossed too far downstream it may cause a swimmer to sit up and reach for it. This is an instinctual thing. This could lead the swimmer to dropping their butt or hip and striking a river rock. In shallow water moving water, you want to minimize your draft and remain flat.