Disguise Self Became Permanent?! Baldur's Gate 3, Nine Hells Challenge

[@IliumGaming]

"Nobody cared who I was until I put on the disguise"

[@Melth]

If I dispel that disguise, will you lose your +1d4 to all checks?

[@Thumper8544]

my mother always told me, "keep making that face an you'll be stuck like that"

[@Melth]

And apparently she was right!

[@hi2u670]

in my most recent playthrough, i did that kobold fight from the other direction and put a spike growth right at the door. i had also just gotten cull the weak on that character, so the kobolds spent their turns trying to get to me and popping like fireworks about halfway across. normally i wouldn't bother using a 2nd level spell slot there but i've had too many fights like yours in that narrow room with everything flammable. now i hope i can do it that way every playthrough, haha

[@RatelRegalement]

The extra kobold in the stores room appeared for me when I approached from the other side - he stumbled through the door and passed out. Might be a scripted thing you missed by coming in the other end.

[@Melth]

Ah, that could be it maybe!

[@Chronische]

Broken bridge, deep pit, or most egregious of all, "object in the way" such as a rockslide or, most insulting of all, knee-high boxes are all just developer shorthand for "We are either just showing off an environment you aren't meant to go to" or "We need to add some more gameplay/story here so you can't just go past" in every game. It's worst in games where FLYING is an option long before you get to such points but OBVIOUSLY you can't fly over their important PLOT! I genuinely had a gm on tabletop try to use the 'broken bridge' trick and he was quite off-put when we simply cut down trees to cross.

[@Melth]

To some extent it's probably a necessary evil in videogames where (unless it's an open world game) the developers do need to put up fences of some kind. But they could certainly have made the fences more logical! In the shar temple, maybe we just run into a floor to ceiling rockfall in what we've already learned is an area that could collapse if we messed around with it. And in the mountain pass, they should have just not created that tiny broken bridge at all! It serves no purpose other than to show us how pointlessly we're being forced into going to the shadow cursed lands

[@Chronische]

@@Melth Or using magical barriers, or simply not showing it as an otherwise traversable path if there wasn't something as puny as a broken bridge, repairable with literally a cantrip once you join the rope together.

[@Melth]

@@Chronische yeah, though magical barriers might make us start asking things like "why doesn't dispel magic (I know it's not actually in the game) fix this?"

[@Chronische]

@@Melth The caster's too high level, so you can't undo it, obviously! It was cast as a 10th level spell, or whatever excuse you want to use, is still better than "My character, who can leap 80' without harm, and knows Featherfall among other spells or magical abilities, can't go down to grab a rope or cross a comically short chasm distance." Magical reasons are easier to handwave than mundane ones that are so simple that even WITHOUT magic you could resolve them in a relatively short time.

[@Melth]

@@Chronische I agree, magic would be a better explanation, but it can certainly also feel arbitrary and call more attention to the barrier than just having it make physical and narrative sense (when that's possible)

[@brokenmeats5928]

I love ALL Melth videos!

[@Melth]

Always glad to hear it!

[@nevrast-1]

Wake up Babe, new episode of Nine Hells Challenge just dropped!

[@Melth]

Ways to wake a sleeping character: 1) Help action 2) Shove bonus action 3) Damage them 4) Tell them there's a Melth video!

[@man_apologist]

if you fail the nere head roll it just plays a longer cutscene and all your companions make fun of you! its really quite funny there are videos of it around

[@Melth]

Good to know!

[@nio804]

Huh, there's a typo in the text at 8:45. Z'rell is apparently a favorite of the "Abolute" Great stuff as always.

[@Melth]

Sounds like an Aboleth bard build!

[@ranmashiah1999]

By the way, The kobold's that were not surprised, were not surprised because they got into the fight in the middle. They are inside the Firewine barrels and when you explode them they appear.

[@Melth]

That's half the answer- but in general in this game if you join a battle in which some of your teammates were surprised, YOU get surprised too. The kobolds from the barrels seem to be a special exception to that.

[@yhnujmik987]

The General doesn't actually have a safe path to temple because of the Sharran spirits in there; that's why Balthazar's progress in there is slow. He and his minions keep getting attacked. So, it makes some sense to send Nere and see if an approach from this direction would allow them easier access to the Nightsong.

[@Melth]

That only superficially makes sense though, because the path to Nere's side involves long stretches that the cult doesn't control either AND there's no reason Shar can't summon her teleporting spirits at that side of the temple if she wants to.

[@samuelpetrunyak4989]

So funny that disguise bug

[@Melth]

Not for poor Bhaalista who now seems to be stuck looking like a Drow for life! 😢

[@paragonvice1128]

At least Drow are handsome lads. He just gotta put up with everyone (correctly) assuming he's a murderous monster

[@Melth]

@@paragonvice1128 I mean it could be worse; he could be stuck as a hideous githyanki or a tiny gnome. But now he has a weird gray face instead of being a handsome mostly human fellow!

[@Kat-xf3cs]

@@Melth Theoretically this bug makes sense, Bhaalista is now a kind of shapechanger like Orin :D

[@Melth]

@@Kat-xf3cs he really is! He probably spends less time in his natural form than Orin does, despite it looking much better!

[@Swagskog]

The slurping sounds are from kobolds in the barrels, if you hit a barrel a drunk kobold will appear😂

[@wesmantooth32]

I thought it was an invisible kobold? I think I got it to appear after throwing a water bottle at the slurping sound.

[@Melth]

You're right! I missed one! I'll add killing those to an upcoming video. I guess it's just the wailing Gremishka in a box then, which is bugged to keep happening even if the Gremishka is definitely no longer in the box or alive

[@Melth]

@@wesmantooth32 I don't think there's an invisible one; I walked all through the room with See Invisibility and nothing had to make a saving throw

[@wesmantooth32]

@@Melth It might depend on if you take out most of the wine barrels or not? The last time I did it the slurping sound moves from barrel to barrel, and I was able to use some AOE to break the invis based on that. I was getting constant checks with Volo's magic eye, though.

[@paragonvice1128]

@@wesmantooth32 If you approach the Kobolds first, the Grimeshkas above save against Volo's eye. There are just multiple kobolds in multiple barrels. You can also just pick up the barrels and throw them to deploy a drunken, explosive kobold on the battlefield. I don't know how useful that information is, but it is funny.

[@jayrobitaille2402]

Since I am dealing with Nathaniel before doing the Sharran Temple, I have to remember to buy Balthasar's Potion of Speed. It is a rare game that allows you to trade with NPCs that are on the opposing side, so you can do disarming tactics like this. It is really beneficial because you get a Potion of Speed which is a good item to buy anyways, while preventing him from using it.

[@Melth]

Interesting, I didn't know he had a potion of speed because I usually one-round kill him What's the benefit of Nathaniel before Shar temple?

[@jayrobitaille2402]

@@Melth Okay, finishing the Shar Temple starts the battle at Moonrise Towers. I have seen the quest line to remove the Shadow Curse not work after beating Ketheric. It seems like that is the last time you can do it without any issues.

[@zigzakz]

that bug at 18:50 has got to be the one of the funniest ones I have seen with this game

[@Melth]

And I still haven't found a solution!

[@CasGRos]

I thank you fore this seres so fore You gave my the inspection and a new way of thinking when it comes to strategy, this gave my the inspection to do hotermode. I have now the golden dice

[@Melth]

Glad to hear it! Congratulations on finishing your run

[@CasGRos]

98h

[@Melth]

@@CasGRos nicely done! Sounds like enough time for a thorough run

[@CasGRos]

And I did act 2 and 3 whiteout longresting by using the strategy cald stand in darkness and spam control And maby shelf

[@timkvernen4852]

Always on board for Melth owning Honor Mode :) Question for the community. Does anyone else wish there were a way to respawn/create new fights later on in the game? Once I get my cool build online, just about everything is dead :/ It would be fun to fight some leveled up gnolls, or even have the ability to spawn enemies in. 2 Raphaels and a fleet of iron hands at the gate to the Emerald Grove, please!

[@Melth]

I agree I think- I mentioned before that I think in some areas (particularly ones that are meant to *feel* dangerous like the Shadow-Cursed Lands), it might be good if there were some respawning wandering monsters. They could give no XP/reward so as to make it better to avoid them and make the area feel dangerous and encourage stealth. And of course, they would be ideal for people who want more battles!

[@cannyvalley8522]

Oh the story writes itself with this game. Is Bhaalista still stuck in his drow form? Will he eventually get better?

[@Melth]

He still hasn't recovered as of episode 45 😢 But I do have an idea I might try for 46

[@daturtlez]

I'm now kinda curious what happens if you interact with the magic mirror in camp with your new 'drow' form.

[@Melth]

I'll be trying that in ep 46 to see if that lets me cure this weird bug

[@mrjondeee]

If you fail the check beheading Nere you still behead him but in a very sloppy way and your companions will make fun of you :P

[@Melth]

Fair!

[@sbattepac]

Have you considered using halo of spores to break the speed potion in between your characters? It's disgustingly power gamey and I love to do it

[@Melth]

I'd forgotten it was possible until someone suggested it a few videos ago. I start doing that in an episode or two- though I often just use Shovel's attack for it instead

[@user-wo9jj6ii6t]

Hey Melth: what is the heavy armor in act 2 that you prefer over the adamantine splint mail? If I go heavy armor, I always keep that until act 3. The only one I can think of would be dwarven splint mail ??

[@Melth]

Dwarven Splint Mail is definitely better than adamantine for most purposes, and is available almost right away. Also, you start finding multiple medium armors immediately which let you add your full dexterity to AC. Those outclass adamantine completely if your Dexterity is good. And Dexterity is the most important stat in the game; it should be good on every character. Once you hit level 9 (which for me is about 1/3 of the way into act 2), any generic merchant will also sell Splint Armor +2 which is also arguably better than adamantine.

[@user-wo9jj6ii6t]

@@Melth thanks!

[@DiabeticNecromancer]

Maybe you have a cursed disguise ring :)

[@Melth]

A great item!

[@bi_smth]

That Kobold fight was messy af. An RNG that bad wouldve made me rage quit for 45 mins and maybe take a depression nappy.

[@Melth]

It felt especially weird with the gremishkas also having had terrible RNG just before! But luckily some good tactics and a strong party were enough to overcome most of the dice's interference

[@Chronische]

Forgotten Realms having racial pantheons is pretty redundant, I agree. Outside of a god whose only thing is 'patron of X race', you'd think the others just guises of the other gods. That IS the case sometimes - Talos in particular likes to pretend to be other cultures/races gods to gain another foothold of divine power. Especially if he can successfully pretend to be a god of some domain he doesn't actually control, since even a foothold can give him a measure of control of the portfolio!

[@Melth]

It's a weird narrative decision. It might be meant to tie in with the old d&d idea that high level adventurers become gods, and any race eventually has a few high level adventurers or something. But they don't really play up that aspect, and instead the dead 3 are almost the only gods whose status as former adventurers is emphasized. In which case, what narrative purpose does it serve to have like 10 gods apiece for 1000 races? And wouldn't it make more sense if they mostly worshipped the same gods of various portfolios, etc

[@victor1756]

More bugs in BG3? Not surprise, I've finished honour mode, got the golden dice, play a little, but the game started to crash, so I've reinstalled BG3 and the golden dice is gone! Now I just wait for patch 7 to install all back .

[@Melth]

That sure sounds like a nuisance!

[@probag8414]

Larian cancelling their future slated Until Long Rest buffs that were to be released with the next surprise goodies update. *Management to devs*: "I can't see the screen anymore, look at this nonsense! I can't even count that high.

[@Melth]

We certainly do start to clutter the screen with these after a while!

[@goombots-zb4xe]

Did you respec while in disguise self and maybe that glitched it out?

[@Melth]

Not sure, maybe! But I think I've respecced in disguise in the past without a problem, so it must be a rare bug at least

[@goombots-zb4xe]

@@Melth I thought you had strange. I had no precedent for that to be why but it’s the only thing I can think or something weird on level up

[@Melth]

@@goombots-zb4xe my best guess is it's something to do with how Grymforge makes you sweaty, because the sweaty face also persisted even when leaving Grymforge

[@NDW_248]

5:59 nothing

[@Melth]

Glad we had to roll the dice for that then!

[@jakeparkinson8929]

Comment number [funny number]

[@Melth]

789 already? Wow!

[@jakeparkinson8929]

@@Melth ya blew it!