Disgusted To Be British | Carl Benjamin Debates Narinder Kaur

[@canadianeh4792]

She refers to the British as "you" and Indians as "we" and she's confused about why someone would say she's not English, she's Indian.

[@SnowWhiteArches]

idk why they're even discussing in the first place? she's clearly not British, not even European

[@Labdozer128]

They're British when it comes to the rights and welfare but instantly shapeshift to their origins when duties and responsibilities are brought up.

[@vulkanofnocturne]

True to say she isn't English. To my mind British is a political identity and English and Indian are ethnic identities and a matter of biology.

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

Because it's purely about denying us our heritage; if she can claim to be British then the term is utterly meaningless.

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

​@@vulkanofnocturneBritish is a group of ethnicities, not a nationality. If you have no celt or Anglo blood you're not British, end of.

[@snowflakemelter1172]

Notice how these people demand full recognition of their own ethnic community and its culture but then dismiss any statement of English ethnicity with " why does that matter" ?

[@ross-lt4mc]

Spot on

[@lonewolfandcub668]

Because it's Anti white and Western Civilization

[@wobblybobengland]

@@quantumchad eat my samosa and have it too

[@rhombusisotope8117]

Come on, now, if white people were allowed ethno-cultural identities then they'd have to be accepted as being real people.

[@gideondejongh838]

Never apologise for who you are and never belittle what your ancestors have built over centuries.

[@RIShearer1985]

“Yeah but who has sympathy for ISIS?” “More British Muslims joined ISIS than the British army.” *tumbleweeds*

[@macestarwalk2736]

That was a mic drop 😂

[@JonathansProductions]

Best silence of the whole podcast

[@skywardsoul1178]

Could someone tell me where that is please? I reached my limit about half way through.

[@cindertoffy3013]

@skywardsoul1178 commenting so I can learn the same thing. I can't bring myself to listen, so hopefully, a more patient soul can help!

[@ShadoWafel]

I need a timestamp, I listened to most of the episode by now and I'm afraid I missed it

[@Schwiegermutter]

Literally the answer to all her problems is to go home.

[@ravd8082]

half of the immigrants send money back home

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

She's just slime. +

[@delq]

And maybe yours were to never leave home

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

@@delq Speak for yourself. Now scram, Godless dirt. +

[@onojioboardwalk9748]

@@delq Speak for youself. +

[@TheWhiteFaction]

She's the living proof that ethnic loyalty is what matters. A multi-ethnic society will always be divided.

[@bc5cd]

These discussions primary benefit is they help re-awaken racial consciousness in white people

[@michaelsmyth5658]

Ethnic and religious She won't say Muhammad isn't the perfect man for all time's .

[@chrisgunther109]

You can have a multi-ethnic society if you've all agreed ethnicity won't matter.

[@TheWhiteFaction]

That won't happen. @@chrisgunther109

[@chrisgunther109]

@@TheWhiteFaction As long as dishonest leaders see it as a means of achieving their political ends, I fear you're right.

[@hilaryswan4323]

Carl has the patience of a saint.

[@Randgalf]

No, saints have the patience of Carl.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

Some times Carl can be to courteous he should have had Connor with him who is a much more heavy hitter in a Debate

[@jer3887]

The English, known for being overly polite. Frightfully sorry good sir.

[@JadeRunner]

​@@gideonhorwitz9434unless the debate is about Taylor Swift...

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@JadeRunner Or really any woman Connor fancies.

[@joeymedina7115]

I love how at the beginning she cheered that the Indians took their country back and told the English that they had to go back to Britain, but when Carl makes the argument that Britain should be for the British she can't fathom it and she cries.

[@mjt7231]

It’s infuriating. I’d stop talking to her until she acknowledged that contradiction. The fact that she can’t see it or worse is ignoring it. Makes her entire argument comes from a place of bend to her will and less of a place of understanding. It’s clear she has no issues colonizing. Her problem is who is doing it. Which means her argument is one of power.

[@cariopuppetmaster]

They didn't "go back" the Anglo-indians still exist and have special seats reserved for them in Indian Parliment

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

@@cariopuppetmaster theres no such thing as Anglo-Indian, you thief

[@erc4375]

Double think and mental gymnastics are all the left has anymore

[@seanbaker9966]

The Anglo-Indians (the name gives it away) are the mixed descendants from the British and Indians who mixed. The British who had no blood ties to the land were sent back to Britain.@@cariopuppetmaster

[@DrJohnWatson8]

She got extremely nervous when he brought up the rape gangs

[@juyhtbbhkm]

Carl has the patience of a saint, This is like a Chess game with a pigeon.

[@davidroberts4398]

AN AMOEBA??.

[@SNH1305]

​@@davidroberts4398her brain cells.. Basically nonexistent. Smooth brain emotional woman.

[@deadprivacy]

Was constantly reminded of the comment warning thats how it qould go. The histrionics. And the "qllmimmigrantsvare just like me and muhammed my doctor". Just constantly looking for the racism "gitcha".

[@DavidTheConkerer]

rofl

[@Vaultboy101]

You spend more time picking up the pieces and resetting the board than you do actually playing.

[@manchegocheese997]

Carl is like the adult trying to explain simple concepts to a child.

[@funveeable]

Liberals will spend 90 percent of their talking time telling the details of how horrible their lives are to win sympathy points.

[@DC-bc6mj]

So true.

[@SirNomad]

Carl is my favorite garden gnome! And yes, she seems about as intelligent as a fence post. 🙂

[@NikeaTiber]

From my view, the major problem that she shares with a supermajority of her camp is that *she is ruled by emotion.* All of her talking points are arguments from emotion rather than fact, reason, or logic. She is very quick to jump to being offended, and being accusatory to the words *that she puts* into her opponents mouth, and then reacting emotionally to the opponents argument that she has just re-framed/manipulated. Strong emotions, be it love or hate suppress reason and logic. It impairs your intellect by clouding your judgement. Emotional reactions such as fear (or passion) essentially prevent your consciousness from operating in the cerebral cortex, forcing it to operate in the limbic system of the brain. This is why debate between the left and right often goes nowhere; the person debating from emotion will often create a strawman, or make ad-hominem attacks on their opponent when they make a logical point that they can't refute, or when they can't defend their own position from rebuttal. The person debating from reaaon/logic can either get "pulled into the weeds" trying to refute claims that are immaterial to the debate, or losing their ability to respond rationally/intellectually. Carl does a very good job in this discussion not only controlling his own emotions, but de-escalating her emotions when they are close to boiling over and preventing her from listening and thinking about what he has to say, and the points that he is trying to get across. My guess is that fatherhood has helped him prepare for this sort of interaction.

[@mattikake9859]

Exactly what I was about to say! They are of a completely different intellect. But you can’t argue with stupid.

[@digitalis909]

It took 46 minutes, but finally Narinder laid out the grand underlying argument: “For Britain’s ‘crimes’, it owes the world a living”

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

I wonder when Britain lost some kind of war and capitulate to be owed someone something like Germany did. People missed the motive why Germany repaid their sins, they did not because they are good people in general. So when US or UK trying to play like they are better and more advanced than others in any way, they don't owe nothing to those who decided lick their boots, when they came The way West is getting abused, even if deserved yet infuriating. I loosing motivation to be good towards the others, when su h outcome is inevitable - abuse of the virtue

[@yatarookayama8329]

Indeed !

[@sybentley6675]

That's right! in 1.

[@e-pflow3144]

Must be nice to think you are owed something because of a terrible event a life time ago that has nothing to do with how you live today. this woman is nasty.

[@Ojthemighty]

We brought civilization, infrastructure and rule morality to the world even stopped slavery by force. Our nations history should be celebrated and respected world over for its contribution to mankind.

[@penguingus]

This is possibly the stupidest, most confident woman I have ever heard. Carl looked like he was having a blast.

[@Kate-d7t]

‘Stupidest, most confident…’ 😂😂😂

[@redredred1]

The NHS argument always baffles me. "If all the migrants left the NHS, it would collapse." Sure, but if they all left the country, it wouldn't.

[@CrunchyNorbert]

What is the proportion of patients or staff that have minority status?

[@SteviePeters-x3u]

my girlfriend’s mum was the only white when she was there last week in a 95%+ white town

[@MarcusMoji]

Lets do it. Cancel NI and we all go insurance. Lets experiment and see what happens - lets face it the NHS isn't working now so what is there to lose?

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

We wouldnt need so many workere .Didmt we have an nhs before they came 😂

[@edfost5734]

it still would, just not as fast

[@imperius88]

"More british muslims joined ISIS than the british army..." *the loudest silence enters the room*

[@AnAn___]

The whole world knows this. Over 10,000 British citizens joined terrorist groups and mass murdered people all over the world. This is a major reason the whole world is upset with Britain. Why don't the British people apologize to the world for this?

[@typetwo]

This is where conscription (a compelled service and loyalty towards one's nation), might help weed out who remains part of British society.

[@AnAn___]

@@typetwo Interesting. But would that allow some islamists to penetrate the British armed forces?

[@typetwo]

@@AnAn___ Yes, it certainly might. However, I think most dual-nationals would give up their citizenship instead and opt to live in their 'homelands'. I also think it might be a clarifying influence on many non-Muslims as well, who seem antagonistic to the nation which they are part of.

[@robmorgan1214]

It's really sad that you don't understand how these are PRECISELY the same thing. The PURPOSE of ISIS was to destabilize Syria and areas of Iran on BEHALF of BP and exon (despite it being a really stupid plan). The Muslim citizens of the UK were the tip of the MI6 and SAS trained spear. This is what passes for "state craft" in a world of complete twitts. They were RECRUITED BY YOUR COUNTRY TO BUILD A PROXY ARMY, which is why they were allowed to do things like sell drugs and launder money with IMPUNITY, IN ORDER TO FINANCE THEIR OPERATIONS OFF BOOK. The Arab spring was a US covert operation developed and supervised by spectacularly dim-witted children, and it's completely backfired. If it had worked isis would have been lionized by the west as freedom fighters like the Mujahideen were in the 80s. If you gaze into the memory hole, you will discover a fleet of approximately 5000 brand new Toyota trucks outfitted with American guns purchased for ISIS operatives by US cutouts. THE UK Muslim population was mined like a natural resource. Lawrence of Arabia 2.0. Only stupid AF.

[@thesongoflunch]

She keeps calling carl "you, you people, you English". Isnt she supposed to claim shes English? She's literally othering herself

[@edmundblackaddercoc8522]

Can't never will be English, like most of em.

[@_dude..]

She's literally not.

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

Her contradictions are endless. Really I knew how the video would go from the moment she called herself English. Good grief.

[@boycottwarhammer6016]

Many people conflate English and British to the point British has lost all meaning.

[@fujohnson8667]

They want us to accept them but will always see themselves as people from their original (parents parents etc etc) country of origin. Will never be English.

[@Isa712x]

Gotta really, really bad headache, can't think why. Carl youre a saint.

[@batwing-plays]

I love it how she says that she's British, but then rants about how "you colonized", "you stole from..." and "you bombed Syria"

[@scottkennedy5991]

When she said what makes Britain Great? And Carl explains its geographical and not that Britain is actually great 😅

[@DnBGolf]

​@@scottkennedy5991 it's not that great. It's slightly better after Brexit, but even the US isn't "great" anymore, and I think the US is the closest country to "great" on the planet

[@FlipTrackz]

It’s actually insane how she constantly oscillates between ethnicity doesn’t matter and then immediately make appeals to her own ethnic group. Just proving Carl right in real time.

[@malpreece5008]

Exactly! She’s not British. Like most of these foreign usurpers she’s taking advantage of certain aspects of her British citizenship, while at the same time shitting on Britain!

[@timvella1817]

Noticed this trick many have used for years.

[@samsapper2658]

It's amazing how fluidly she shifts from "us" to "you" when referring to the British depending on whether it's a negative or positive point.

[@Nathan_Higgens]

And of course, by “positive” point, it’s any system or idea that benefits foreigners, and all things that benefited British people (who she claims she is) are negative because it wasn’t something helping Indians

[@edforbes1563]

The inconsistency, double standards and cognitive dissonance, is par for the course now unfortunately

[@Covertfun]

She's empty, like a parasite

[@sparklesparklesparkle6318]

@@edforbes1563 schitzo politics

[@ravd8082]

narinder explain the Bulgarians who pulled the biggest benefit scam in Britain , are they coming over to work hard so delusional this woman

[@poryginal]

Fantastic debate As a native Londoner I'm surrounded by people like her. People that call themselves just as English as me but then say that "my" people deserve to suffer to give back to "their" people

[@willg9193]

It’s a wonderful ruse playing out globally. “Your ancestors did something hundreds of years ago, so I’m completely justified in my actions of today.” Reason and intellectual honesty can be completely devoid as long as people get to claim that historical injustices are being remedied which magically coincides with them getting richer.

[@nastyp16]

its people who havent had anything bad happen to them , expecting people who havn't done anything bad to them to see them as a victim....No thanks

[@AndrewWilliams-ry6tb]

Just get the f*ck away from them.

[@sirsillybilly]

Their point can be used against them to say what they’ve done to Britain in the last 30 years is justification to seize their property, sell their assets and reimburse their funds to their national bank upon return.

[@michaelthompson8504]

Not sure how much debating actually happened. She just shouted a lot.

[@BartK2]

"I'm English/British, I was born here" 5 minutes later: "you British came to India and robbed 'us' of billions, you stole from us" Very interesting. All in all, awful "debate", as some pointed out, it felt like debating a teenager whose knowledge is based on some basic points they overheard from other people and never bothered to get into details.

[@SSODP]

She wasn't pressed on that, was She? - that would be Carls fail, aye?

[@richardsellers8671]

Never interrupt a person who's showing exactly who they are.

[@thisisntthewholesomefuture649]

She made our point for us and didn't even realize it..

[@Sujad]

@@SSODP How could he, he struggled to ever get a word in edge-wise because she never shuts up.

[@SSODP]

@@Sujad I could just copy paste My first comment here, but as You can see I'm feeling fancy. Don't excuse others, when They fail, it makes thing worse, people cuddled into not improving stay weak an' lame. Tough love all the way. Greetings

[@mikewhite6138]

This is an insane conversation. She almost immediately draws a distinction between the English and Indian people and sides herself with the Indians against the English (lots of "us" and "we") while simultaneously feigning confusion whenever Carl tries to draw a distinction between the native population of the UK and foreigners. It's absolutely wild.

[@romeisfallingagain]

typical bame etiquette

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

I feel like it's not she who is insane actually. British people are insane for letting such people in She literally a bee, refusing to accept she is a bee, and feeling strong pressure from "queen" to build hive in Britain, and she actually want to be a bee Literally AmongUs gameplay she unaware of playing

[@ffhighwind]

She eventually admits it. However, she uses two arguments. (1) English people deserve punishment of refugees for bombing and "enslaving" them. (2) Immigrants are helping the economy. She obviously hates the English and sees it as Browns vs Whites but won't say it directly. She also won't accept any evidence that immigrants are hurting Britain, which could be cognitive dissonance or arguing in bad faith.

[@whisped8145]

The difference between the British colonizing India, and the whoevers colonizing Britain, is that the British always admitted they were British in India and not anything else. While these ...adjectives... play these childish low level confusion games. Sadly it works on the youth, as youth does not yet know how thinking works - in part because schools do not teach anymore how to think, but only what to think.

[@davidyoung2990]

They’ve rewritten history and guess what? In their version they are owed a fat stack of cash for nothing

[@PureElixir]

Her: "Im british, ethnicity doesnt matter" Also her: "Your people..."; "Your people..."; "Your people..." She can't hear herself or what?

[@rollout1984]

"The beautiful thing about alot of women is they can have two competing ideas in thier head at the same time"-Adam Carolla

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

she cares an awful lot about ethnicity for someone who doesn't care about ethnicity

[@Uhtredrag1080]

Cognitive dissonance is required to be a leftist.

[@gsd4me00]

@@rollout1984. Only two?

[@Labdozer128]

She knows ethnicity matters. But the English ethnicity doesn't matter to her. She just doesn't want to say it because that would allow people to correctly see that she's not British, but a foreigner who does not care what happens to the English.

[@karandeosingh2356]

18:43, please tell this lady about the mogal empire, which brutalized hindus, siths and Jains during the 15th and 17th century in India. She needs to be educated about the Barbary pirates and the islamic sub saharan slave trade, that existed way longer then the trans Atlantic slave trade.Both were bad, however European powers forced the Islamic kalafade to end slavery in north Africa. This women is extremely ungrateful.

[@Sandym4n]

I'm a British born Sikh and I couldn't disagree with her more. Her arguments are disingenuous and demarour hysterical. England did not need immigation - for me its a privilege my parents were allowed to migrate here. India has had 80 years of independence and people are still sh*tting on railway lines and beaches. Ps. I still visit family is the Punjab.

[@KC-oh1oh]

As an English man I can firmly state that Sikhs are completely accepted in the UK and are considered a boon to our nation.

[@dan-t]

@@BellBeakerBloke Sikhs add value, one of the few groups that do.

[@Ontinara]

My grandfather was Royal Navy and came to the UK. I’m now 3rd generation and only here because he came over. Those who integrate thrive, I also got to the “waiter” part and laughed after finishing a 12 hour day.

[@lolcat5303]

That is the correct way to see it - it is ultimately a privilege.

[@Claeg5]

She has a spark to her, but you allude to her biggest flaw. People of any political background calling anyone from the middle east or Asian subcontinent "Brown people" as if they are a common people. She can't even consider the idea that Indian Punjabi Sikhs interact much better with Legacy British than they do with Pakistani Muslims. The traditional English/American importance in family and responsibility is much more closely in line with the Sikh and Hindu family. Traditionally Muslim family structures are far more centered on the head of the family and his authority and the rest of the family has a condition of relative disposability that traditional English, traditional Americans, and traditional Sikhs reject. Correct me if I am wrong. Narinder has a spark to her, but she is a post-modern Indian who publicly rejects these ideas of family loyalty in favor of vague race or wider multi-cultural loyalty.

[@hiphopguy0]

She is the literal embodiment of the "they dont understand per capita, they just see bigger number" meme.

[@DenethorDurrandir]

Failure of education system.

[@Nathan_Higgens]

I’ve seen that meme lots of times but had yet to actually hear someone argue from that viewpoint. It’s literally insane that per capita is entirely outside their mental abilities. For being that dumb alone you should be barred from voting or deported

[@lolcat5303]

Word. Total lack of understanding of statistics.

[@Uhtredrag1080]

Yep. "English commit crimes." Sure lady, but at what rate compared to the non-English.? 🤣

[@HavanaSyndrome69]

She's really hot

[@chanelMAN23]

"Im as British as anyone" "You (British) left us (Indians) in squalor" Choose one, you cant have both

[@richardjohnston3359]

Shes indian and she knows it but she uses her being born her to call her self british in an argument to shut down native Brits its so obvious whats shes doing its so obvious its just ridiculous and frustrating she can do this to beat ymus down

[@c4662]

She secretly knows that being born in the horse stable doesn't make you a horse.

[@FlipTrackz]

@@c4662based comment

[@aremedyfrosty]

If carl has a problem with sunak being the pm then he should have also had a problem with boris being the pm as he is jewish and that's a non british ethnicity too.

[@FlipTrackz]

@@aremedyfrosty yeah

[@ProjectKelstone]

"I'm from Pakistan" "I'm not from Pakistan, I'm English". "They are telling me I'm not Indian enough" Make up your mind. You lose all credibility when you slip flop on who you are.

[@jamesreed4243]

Notice how when she talks about Britain dropping bombs it’s “your country” and not ours.

[@robosoldier11]

And yet she and her ilk demand to perpetually squat here and dictate how society is run haha it’s so gross

[@N0sf3r4tuR1s3n]

Also, a refugee is supposed to stop at the closest safe country- people fleeing ISIS should all have stopped in Turkey, and perhaps the rest of NATO should have helped Turkey to take care of them, it's not really fair to leave them solely in charge of housing and providing aid for refugees. Geographically, yes, but not in terms of the burdens of financing and logistics and so forth. We really need to make sure that the term refugee isn't abused for political purposes. Asylum seekers as well- Cubans who make it across the ocean have a legitimate claim to asylum in my country, and honestly they tend to acclimate to America fairly well. They are a subset of Hispanics who tend to be more politically right wing, for example. Asylum seekers are also supposed to stop at the first safe country, generally.

[@robbienm89]

Also, whenever she thinks Carl slights India it's always us we and I used when talking about India

[@susangarbutt7189]

She hates Britain, every time she talks about Britain she is slagging Britain off. She needs to give her mouth a rest and give her brain a chance she is being racist but does not see it. She is ever the victim.

[@SENORITA1666]

Sorry - she’s 51 years old! Wow! Beautiful lady and what she said about this being a class issue and not a colour issue was spot on - 👏 I work full time and struggle to survive private renting as a single mum ❤ due to DV and choosing safety, stigma after stigma but we do what we do - always a statistic to the “common man”

[@TheMuclusla]

She slipped up at about 1:17:30, saying, "I love the way the British just make things up, you make your own history up." She revealed that subconsciously she doesn't actually consider herself British, she sees them as "other". That explains a lot.

[@Loawercs31]

There are a ton more examples of her not considering herself British way before that point.

[@bieituns]

Yes she is the definition of the 5th column. Operation Trojan horse. Create conflict from within. She is very vindictive and hateful towards Britain. She must have gotten this attitude off her parents, so we have generations of people living here who actively hate us living amongst us.

[@sutenjarl1162]

Well she clearly isn't british so shes right 🤣

[@lolcat5303]

@@sutenjarl1162 And she's also quite at home at making things up. When she tried to argue with Carl over representation in prison populations... embarrassing. Doesn't get basic statistical concepts.

[@stuartannetts300]

Well right at the start she said she's English then 2 minutes later says she's happy to be Indian. Which is it? 🤦

[@Nytephyre]

The longer I live on this planet, the more I understand why roosters start their day screaming.

[@no-one-787]

in my admittedly limited experience, they scream all day long. still can't say I blame them.

[@balazsfoldes4700]

Chill out guys, she's at least making an effort instead of just shouting "Nazi" from the rooftops. I appreciate that, and you should too. Don't attack her.

[@Tad1945]

So Carl is interviewing the famous race baiter.

[@Idontevenwanachannel]

@@balazsfoldes4700 Attacking her or not, this was extremely painful to listen to. The MOMENT she hears something she wants to contest, she opens her mouth. She is incapable of letting people set up a premise and follow it to the conclusion. Every single time Carl proposed a supposition, she never let him get to the next step before an entire word vomit dumped out and took the conversation in a different direction. The comments about comparing the patient father lecturing his hysterical teen daughter are apt.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

😂😂😂

[@lujlp]

Conservative: factual, reasonable, logical arguments Liberal: a never-ending stream of consciousness that goes on and on throwing everything you can at the wall to see what sticks over and over and over again even though you know it's wrong even though you've been disproven over and over and over again just hoping that somehow someway your nonstop and verbal diarrhea will somehow overwhelm the guy using actual reasonable arguments

[@rosspritchett8423]

Spot on. This is literally an hour of her hysterically chirping nonsense and then changing subject in the middle of his response.

[@LesediModisakeng-in8uq]

Not all of them... there's alot of knowledgeable, right-minded, articulate, worldly, balanced left-wingers 😊 Narinder is actually a person who speaks a lot of truth in some things but she's very intuitive, cheeky and loud so that's what stands out and yes some of her points are crybaby talking points but she speaks truth in many other cases... the world needs both left-wingers and right-wingers and they both enlighten the world in their own ways ❤

[@VermilionMage]

Carl has data. Narinder has anecdotes. It's literally every time with these people. So tiresome.

[@golfbulldog]

She has emotion to prove her anecdotes though....😂

[@Paladonaldin]

It's all so tiresome.

[@M1N0rZ1rC0N]

That's how right v left work's. right has information left has feelings.

[@aktuellyattee8265]

It's far more important to have theory than to have either anecdotes or data. Small minds think of people, mediocre minds think of events and great minds think of ideas. Because reality is downstream from the natural laws of the universe (theory).

[@golfbulldog]

@@aktuellyattee8265 is that true in a debate like this??

[@Jms78able]

If these immigrants are fleeing terror then why are the men leaving the women and children behind for 2 to 3 years like she said. “To get set up” sounds like economic migrants to me and not fleeing terror.

[@SirNomad]

The UK would be a lot better off if they sent back all of the unskilled migrants. Only ever allow in the best and brightest.

[@matthewdaisley9996]

They are blatantly sleeper cells, when they have the numbers they’ll be activated and you’ll be living in an Islamic state before you know it

[@kaesknacker2738]

She also says that Britain asked for them to do jobs and around the time of the Albanian topic she says that the migrants are asking for jobs.

[@joycegibbs5267]

they can then bring the rest of the family once they're here can't they?

[@matthewdaisley9996]

@@joycegibbs5267 would u leave your kids in war zone? They aren’t fleeing anything they are just illegal migrants

[@unicron2109]

It's worse than that Carl - they're not spending your tax money, they're sending it home

[@deadnorth8648]

Same in Canada...

[@Ike_of_pyke]

Yep, if it was being spent here it'd at least keep circulation here & keep the economy healthy, but nope it's going to their family's afar , it's going to the economies afar .

[@ravd8082]

narinder explain the Bulgarians who pulled the biggest benefit scam in Britain , are they coming over to work hard so delusional this woman

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

@@Ike_of_pyke alot of my own family members on the philipino side does this, they became nurses, work overseas and send their money to their families cause it pays more then to stay in their own nation. The money talks and the philipines isnt doing enough to keep its smartest workers back home to help build the nation.

[@Ike_of_pyke]

@@Sleepy_Cabbage my African side of my family occasionally did this before their elders passed , it's one of those things that taught me a lot about how a lot of people will stab someone in the back for a %

[@TheRightHonRai]

9.20 - it was general dyer. He was Irish. It happened in 1919 not in the 1940’s. She is not the right person to be discussing British rule in India and does a disservice to both Britons and Indians wanting to learn about these events.

[@3dApe]

I'll never understand the "we need low-wage servants" argument. Seems like a step above arguing for slaves.

[@bleachdemon7321]

Totalitarians have a need for slaves. That way they can manipulate the culture and always have an us vs them narrative.

[@Jayremy89]

Yesh, one Small difference. I hate it much, extremely as a US citizen living within a few hundred miles of the border where Mexican illegals have flooded through, with zero benefit to me, as someone who has done the work jobs they take up (which they don't do any better or smarter) to work at a fraction of the market rate prices of us citizens.

[@carsonhunt4642]

Because that’s exactly what it is. It’s like calling abort “healthcare”, just a nicer word for it.

[@makegeorgeorwellfictionaga9268]

Its also taking away entry level jobs for the young and its insulting saying we are all lazy and incompetent and we need brown people. Western countries existed for 1000's of years and more without brown people. The country will not fall apart without brown people

[@Gibblets411]

Those low skill jobs used to be a stepping stone for the younger generation to make ends meet. Nobody should have a career serving mcdonalds food.

[@MeTheRob]

Carl was sometimes able to stop this woman talking, which no one on GB News ever can.

[@jimbo80982]

Tbf she is VERY eager to talk...

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

@@jimbo809825min in and she already went full force 😂

[@benjaminstorace6699]

God gave humans two ears and one mouth. They should be employed in that ratio. Beyond anything else THAT . . . I honestly am convinced she's doing it on purpose to annoy and instigate, so as to reinforce her own views when the opposite number can't deal with it anymore.

[@skatingfreak1670]

It's Carl, not Karl. Carl, with the letter C, not with the letter K

[@MeTheRob]

@@skatingfreak1670 OK

[@katnightingale2451]

Her logic is basically "We have grievances and resentment against your people so you should let us live in your country." Lol. No sane person is going to want people that resent them and want some kind of revenge on them to live next to them. That's actually a good reason for wanting to keep them as far away as possible.

[@AManCalledDutch]

Absolutely.

[@newlife956]

VERY well put.

[@kjhfds98231]

Exactly. If a country did something bad to me, I wouldn't want to even go to that country to live.

[@jpw6893]

'I dont believe that data' (because it destroys my argument).

[@soerenheriksen]

Stats are a myth Evidence is a myth Objective reality is a myth All because she knows a few nice people who work 👍

[@fenrifegads5571]

indian IQ is a myth.

[@natalievu4399]

She doesn't care. She isn't even open to new information. Whenever Carl talks, she seems to see her own subtitles & it says: Rayyssis, rayyssis, rayyssis"

[@thisisntthewholesomefuture649]

Unfortunately, this is how a lot of people think. Thats not rational.

[@megaluke007]

You have to ask what job those ones who work actually have. Probably some bureaucratic job.

[@AndrwsAnimatics]

UNIVERSAL sufragage was a mistake, te Concept of Welfare State OVER the NAtion, with no PAtriotic / Ethnic Identity with Shared values WAS a mistake, Im not Brit but it has happened all over Europe, ¿Who thought that ANYONE from the Third World WITHOUT any conexion to Us could be considered EQUAL to US.?.. that just a Fantasy, ot in this case a NIGHTMARE

[@mason7067]

" Foreigner have better work ethic than the British." " I don't understand why people think I hate Britain."

[@mandowarrior123]

Oh she loves britain, hates the britons. Would have us deported for our ancestral crimes like she stated.

[@Brandubh1965]

Brits invented work ethic - 45 years in NZ as a witness.

[@raijinenel3116]

@@Brandubh1965 not wrong. I have never met harder workers than the old school English/Irish. younger ones are losing it, but you can't blame them, lower wages than their parents, competing for £5 an hour with immigrants that live 5 to a house, there is no incentives to crack on.

[@kirksharples2959]

The standard is the protestant work ethic , i don't know but I'm guessing there's not a lot of prodies in India or Pakistan

[@kostasbiker9302]

That's the excuse used in the entire west. In Greece it's "Albanians will do the work Greeks don't want to" like construction, and the last decade it's Pakistani delivery. Funnily enough nobody asked the Greeks if they will.

[@KennyEvans-eg1lw]

SHE SAYS ''WE' WHEN BEING BRITISH BENEFITS HER BUT SAYS ''YOU'' WHEN BAD THINGS HAPPENED BRITAIN WAS INVOLVED IN.... YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS CUPCAKE

[@dubiousn00b24]

" British people do it too" is not a justification for allowing people from outside the country to do it as well.

[@blowfish1702]

It also incorrectly implies that Brits somehow get a pass.

[@vadandrumist1670]

But that does imply that the speaker considers the British people to be an other from themself.

[@dubiousn00b24]

@@vadandrumist1670 to be fair, she's comparing "Ahmed" to British people. But yes, there are several times she shows affinity to anything but being British except when it suits her point.

[@Tigger-roo1234]

Sadly I have a 'white' british born friend who believes that train of thought...🤦‍♀️

[@urstruly00]

Again I’m An American 99% English DNA.. I can not go to ENGLAND and expect to get benefits, If I’m going to be a Burden on the system it would be America.. What does she not get.

[@manofculture584]

"I want to work" doesn't give you inherent rights to access a country

[@bartsanders1553]

And for some reason "I don't want to work" doesn't take it away.

[@kalashnikov1343]

I want to scrub your toilet. Now you have to let me inside your house.

[@BIATEC88]

​@@bartsanders1553 Too right 👍

[@harry..flashman]

@manofculture arent you supposed to only post things like 'once again we are gathered here?'

[@manofculture584]

@@harry..flashman 😂😂

[@benh715]

Good effort Carl. You can’t argue with double think though. She is outraged that she should be regarded as anything different from an indigenous Briton, and simultaneously obnoxiously proud of being different from an indigenous Briton.

[@CaseyDavies-od7ir]

She's confused like most of them are, immigration was always a mistake and was going to come round and bite us in the arse

[@Micromation]

A Shordinger's Briton - is or isn't British whenever it benefits argument she's trying to make 😂

[@insomnijack7528]

Never play chess with a pigeon.

[@irritatingtruth9121]

I’ll take the pigeon over this. At least we started with a game, this is just the ish part smeared over an hour.

[@briandorsey282]

“Never get in a land war w a Sicilian when death is on the line. Where was I….”

[@XBullitt16X]

That's an insult to the pigeon, you could actually train it to move the pieces, this woman not so much.

[@sunwillrise84]

She spoke facts 🤷‍♂️

[@powerplay8355]

Crazy some folk would suggest you could, ever.

[@helifalic]

"I've integrated" "my community". Brown, woman. Makes sense.

[@patrick6213]

Carl has the patience of a saint

[@NaillLookingforaHammer]

That is his fatal flaw.

[@ghostrangerz8273]

@@NaillLookingforaHammeragreed, Stoics are known for their unshakable patience which is both a blessing and a curse on them. It’s a blessing in the way that small things, even when piling up will not phase them, but a curse in that when something large crops up that needs a strong response… they’ll often remain steadfast and unshaken.

[@RegularCupOfJoe]

@@NaillLookingforaHammer It's not his flaw at all. When a person has the truth on his side, he need not be aggressively assertive. His peace and confidence is in the truth. The flaw is on her side because she has very low reasoning capacity. Or at least, an unrefined reasoning capacity, a.k.a., everything is forced through the sieve of identity grievances.

[@dubiouscaesar3709]

​@@NaillLookingforaHammer I wouldn't necessarily say it's a flaw, at least not in a civilised discussion, however, if he adopted some Nigel Farage style debate traits, where he barks back when attempted to be shouted down and is really assertive with his point then he would possibly win the debate within twenty minutes, but the downside would be that his guest might storm off.

[@Whocaresanymore970]

"All the steel factory workers were brown." No, love, that was muck on their skin from working in an industrial factory...

[@vanguard6937]

I was gonna say. I saw a short documentary on closing down the last mine in the UK. All those blokes were whole blooded Englishmen, not a single foreigner there, and they all had family history working in those mines as well.

[@wobblybobengland]

@@vanguard6937 when they teach a lie for long enough it will become an accepted truth, they know that.

[@SeanGreene13]

But she saw it on tiktok.

[@radimnechut519]

I could believe there was maybe one or two in fifty or hundred. Maybe more, maybe less. How can you tell on old low quality maybe even still black and white pictures of mucky/muddy/dirty people? Factory/mine dirt and muck covers dark and light skin alike.

[@pelnapkins4379]

Same with stokers on the ships, they were called the black gang, not because of their race, but because of the soot and muck on their faces. They will probably portray them as black and asian in the next Titanic reboot though.

[@ncey8713]

"Thanks for the warm polite welcome Carl, there's no reason we can't have a friendly debate. Now please allow me to shout over you for half an hour so neither of us can make a single coherent point"

[@katsinthecradle89]

Had to stop listening her voice became intolerable.

[@_aibohphobia_]

He let's her get away with murder here. He allows her a chance to speak as often as he can but she can't just stfu for 10 seconds in a row like she has ADHD and listen to him. Even if she does let him speak, he gets the 'I think I understand your point Carl, no, no I understand you Carl'. Then proceeds to prove she made her mind up about what she - thinks and expects - him to say in bad faith, and proceeds to show every time that she has no clue what kind of point he was making or what he was actually even saying. It's so painful to watch. At least give him the courteousy of letting him speak. She plays a fantastic game of, 'if I speak over the top of you and louder than you every time you try to speak and then you quieten down to let me speak, I'm obviously winning'. While getting utterly and mercilessly beaten. Embarrassingly painful attempt at a conversation. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@blowfish1702]

@@_aibohphobia_ I don't think she has ill intention, just a sub 80 IQ.

[@R0d_1984]

That ended 50+ years ago...

[@FirstLast-rb5zj]

She like some kind of horrific animal or a machine. She really is a motor mouth. I seriously think that it should be recognised as a disorder. I don't think that she can control it.

[@Sinsteel]

Wait, there wouldn't even be an "India" to discuss without the British Empire. Just hundreds of warring petty kingdoms.

[@Micromation]

In my experience the pettiness never went away...

[@Fernandez.54]

India is the capital of spirituality One of the oldest civilization Birthplace of major Eastern rlgns !

[@Fernandez.54]

India or bharat or Aaryavart is 5000 years old civilization Read history

[@taokuoh6805]

@@Fernandez.54and in 5000 years they still can’t build toilets

[@Gonzooo69]

Either the Muslim Mughal empire would be in control or the Dutch or Portuguese would’ve taken it to be fair. Either way the natives wouldn’t be in control.

[@gustaftheone9279]

WOW! Carl is beyond patient. She was emotional, loud, overbearing & kept interrupting

[@_Carlos]

His patience really came out when he asked her if she thought she might be accepted by British if she took up a pro-British stance and she immediately listed off loving British TV and music, because to progressives being British is loving the Queen and watching Coronation Street

[@lukegarcia3238]

One word....... women

[@harbl99]

Indian F. Yeah, checks out.

[@Wary_Of_Extremes]

consanguineous marriage in Pakistan is at 61% now...the highest in the world. Palestine is closer to 30%, Israel 10%. Much of the Americas are < 1%

[@Wary_Of_Extremes]

How many tens of millions of Indian women were spared being put live on their husband's funeral pyres, I wonder, thanks to Britain.

[@Drexoish]

I feel like people like her totally miss the point that importing migrants to do jobs that pay poorly is a big reason those jobs pay poorly.

[@davidpereira9238]

There have always been poorly paying jobs, but it's only when people were able to find an excuse to stay home and still have a good life that they had an Excuse to import workers. If you think you (British) are poorly paid, check other western European countries living standards. They don't go on holidays on benefits, or on the NHS. Until you guys start making a distinction between legal (AND working) migrants and EVERYBODY that's not working, you're never gonna fix Immigration, boats, loss of values, etc.. Caps only for emphasis

[@DickToles]

​@davidpereira9238 I see you in the replies obfuscating. The non whites and refugees need to go back. They're a burden on everything. Full stop. The low paying jobs are supposed to be for kids, a second job, working through college etc. They're not made for supporting families of 7 and also give them benefits. Of The English that aren't working it's usually due to simple cost benefit analysis. Wages stagger due to more labor aka immigration rather legal or not, the laws benefit everyone but whites, and costs keep rising due to more demand on the system again aka immigration. You put this on the British people who ran one of the greatest countries ever before diversity. I dont think its them you need to be constantly countersignaling and evaluating. They've proven their worth and their way of doing things works.

[@Trazynn]

​@@davidpereira9238 that's still inadequate. Low-wage labour immigrants are still a net fiscal burden on the economy. Meaning they take more out of the system in facilities than their work yields in tax revenue. The only people who profiteer off this are the employers while society is left holding the bag. When Rishi Sunak said migrants could only bring their family to the UK if they made more than 38k quid, he didn't pull that number out of his ass. That's got to be the break-even point after which an immigrant becomes a net fiscal contributor.

[@TheCentralScrutinizerAgain]

remember during the pando when those fruit and veg picking businesses refuse to take on british workers? we know why

[@R3tr0v1ru5]

​@@Trazynn Tax revenue is for clowns.

[@BeastofCaerBannog]

"I'm English, but we, the Indians....." Lol

[@thomgizziz]

She kept calling Britain "your country"... she is really really bad at this.

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

"I've born here, so I'm British" "I want to be Indian" "Why British people don't accept me?" Her harddrive malfunctioning, incapable of being likable

[@fiveromannumerals]

Giving citizenships away to non westerners was the biggest mistake europe has ever made.

[@kalashnikov1343]

I'm british, but YOU people colonized and brutalized MY country. 😂😂😂 This is why people are politically polarized more than ever these days, because good and evil don't mix.

[@theprincipalofficer_1]

British when it suits but only really Indian. You can’t win against stupid it drags you down. And the fact she does not against grooming gangs says everything about her moral compass, does not care supports it by wanting to try detract from it.

[@alisonbrown714]

This woman does not know what she is talking about. My Father and his two sister all worked in the steel factories as did many of their friends and other relatives. She is a very bitter woman with a huge chip on her shoulders, but she also doesn't get that many British White men were killed in the Second world war so invited people to come here to help out. The best thing would have been just to have the women do the jobs but they were in my opinion overlooked

[@toranp.8942]

It’s quite obvious from how she talks about the English and Pakistanis/Indians that she does not, in fact, view herself as British or identify with the British

[@vadandrumist1670]

Agreed. I'm not sure she even said "we" once when referring to the British, but there were countless "you"s.

[@davidyoung2990]

Immigrant of the Gaps.

[@sh.4409]

British use to mean English, Scottish or Welsh. Now it’s anyone with a passport. It’s evil.

[@theoconstantinou2839]

Funny thing is that she never use to talk like this 23 years ago but now she’s an activist. What happened to her?

[@fenrifegads5571]

Good. Brown people aint british. Sooner this fact is realised by everyone the better. The smell alone outs them as not belonging.

[@PWMoze]

This is a wonderful example of emotion vs logic. Every point Carl makes triggers an emotional litany of inaccuracies and mischaracterisations. Every time Carl tries to sift out the facts and the logic from Narinder's rant she interrupts and starts another. When cornered she simply says she doesn't believe it and uses her 'lived experience' as her evidence not to.

[@SSODP]

"Gish Gallop", in short dishonest debate tactic, centered around talking non-sense at a rate so great, it can't be properly adressed. Greetings

[@PWMoze]

@@SSODP I think perhaps it is typical of a masculine style of debate vs a feminine style of complaint.

[@SuperAd1980]

@@PWMoze more like honest debate vs feminist debate

[@billy2141]

@@SSODP every Destiny "debate"

[@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm]

It makes you think women are stupid and incapable of applying logic equally to different examples.

[@colingorrie4593]

Narinder never lets her complete ignorance of the facts interfere with her arguments.

[@DisasterConnor]

can't let something like truth get in the way of optics now can we

[@patsyballantyne9886]

LMAO

[@AmanitaWoodrose]

😂🤣

[@Andiwaslikeomgwtf]

"The blame is with YOUR government" This statement sums it all up, shouldn't it be OUR?

[@Evan_Meyer]

"I just feel like I'll never be accepted because of the color of my skin" she said on the podcast with 380K subscribers in a country with an Indian Prime Minister...

[@edforbes1563]

She feels she'll never be accepted because brown? I'm white and i cant remember feeling accepted! When were we supposed to be accepted? Was there some ceremony? Acceptance day? Like Catholics get confirmed, we get accepted? Fuck, missed that.

[@_aibohphobia_]

​@@edforbes1563we bring up the ceremonies and dates of coronations at our white privilege meetings every Wednesday. Have you not been getting your invitations again?

[@matsimurf_5900]

"I want to grift off race forever"

[@sparklesparklesparkle6318]

@@edforbes1563 every Wednesday we bring up the ceremonies and dates of coronations at our white privilege meetings. Are you not getting the invites?

[@jeremywhite9667]

The Indian PM is just another coloniser.

[@jussymorgan1358]

Ohh illegal immigration is punishment for past crimes. Thanks for clarifying

[@benfisher1376]

But why is Denmark and Sweden being similarly punished lol

[@cariopuppetmaster]

@benfisher1376 only if that is true 😆

[@bleachdemon7321]

@@benfisher1376 lutefisk and Karrysild

[@benfisher1376]

@@bleachdemon7321 haha 😄

[@172louis]

@@benfisher1376 I don't get why you brought up Denmark and Sweden?

[@Pete-tq6in]

The Jallianwala Bagh massacre, also more commonly known as the Amritsar massacre in Britain, happened in 1919, not in the '1940's', as claimed by Narinder. Colonel Reginald Dyer was found guilty in the subsequent investigation and was disciplined by removal from his appointment, was passed over for promotion and was prohibited from employment in India. He died disgraced in 1927. On 14 October 1997, Queen Elizabeth II visited Jallianwala Bagh and paid her respects with a 30‑second moment of silence. During the visit, she wore a dress of a colour described as pink apricot or saffron, which was of religious significance to the Sikhs. She removed her shoes while visiting the monument and laid a wreath at the monument. While some Indians welcomed the expression of regret and sadness in the queen's statement, others criticised it for being less than an apology. The then Prime Minister of India, Inder Kumar Gujral, defended the queen, saying that the queen had not even been born at the time of the events and should not be required to apologise. There are very few Britons alive today who were born in 1919. Shall we talk about how many Britons are alive today who are suffering from PTSD as a result of being groomed and abused by predominantly Asian Muslim gangs in cities and towns all over Britain? Would Narinder like to stop shouting for a few seconds to address that? She's a typical leftoid loudmouth. She's on constant transmitter mode, she sees everything as a binary in which she and 'her people' (who are NOT British) are victims of oppression. I can't watch any more of her tripe, it's infuriating.

[@FirstLast-rb5zj]

This is also a relatively petty tragedy at a time when millions of people had just been massacred in Europe.

[@rachelpredicts]

Such a wonderful point

[@jackr2287]

Thank you for filling in the history of this tragedy.

[@johnhennessey1464]

What does Narinder have to say about Mrs Ghandi's storming of the Golden Temple in Amritsar?Or Operation Torchlight in Bangladesh when the Pakistan military went on a murderous rampage across the country after it declared itself independent?.....or is it ok when 'we' do it?

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

IIRC it was the Gurkhas who opened fire on a stone throwing mob. It was not a peaceful demonstration.

[@lua504]

Wow, she is pure emotion. Carl is calm and collected.

[@Whocaresanymore970]

"They are not overepresented!" "Thry are 3% of the English population but 30% of the prison population." "See, they are not a majority!" My god this woman is stupid.

[@johnwade1095]

Math is hard. Nice rack for her age though.

[@Ghalion666]

@14words_We_are_the_8percent You don't know anyone who isn't white that isn't a commie?

[@fiveromannumerals]

These people have to play this game, they have to disregard every statistic, otherwise their moral arguments crumble.

[@Wary_Of_Extremes]

consanguineous marriage in Pakistan is at 61% now...the highest in the world. Palestine is closer to 30%, Israel 10%. Much of the Americas are < 1%

[@Ghalion666]

Wow, youtube auto-deleted my comment again I guess you can't use use the word that represents people in USSR/china/etc.

[@quillo2747]

'Im an indian' 'why dont people think im english'

[@possiblepilotdeviation5791]

​@BradleyUK58 Isn't the requirement to be British to have an ethnic identity that is indigenous to the British Isles?

[@BeastofCaerBannog]

​@BradleyUK58 That is British by definition.

[@MrMono360]

😂 beat me to it

[@GnomeChumpski-lv5vv]

​@BradleyUK58as a Scot you are only allowed to hate the English

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

​@BradleyUK58lol you're British, you've even put UK in your username because you're so proud 😂

[@watknig]

'We were left in squalor' - She was born here so who is the "We". It's like saying 'we were slaves' when you've never experienced slavery yourself.

[@uncletedscabin4625]

@@suewood8538 Maybe if there is any incentive for them to integrate, but those days are long gone.

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

@@suewood8538 they import brides, that's the main thing, and they make sure they're uneducated and dont speak English. It means they cant and never will integrate, not that they ever intended to.

[@MrDUneven]

If the Pakistanis are such important component of economy then why isn't the economy of Pakistan number one in the world?

[@rhoetusochten4211]

She switches between "I'm British" and "we Pakistani" so much my head is spinning.

[@daztiny9052]

only British when it suits her .

[@marcocamino3994]

Just saying she doesn't want to get into the grooming gang conversation says it all

[@AndusDominae]

"I don't understand your point so you're wrong." "You've got a point, but I don't like it, so you're wrong." Flipping heck! 🤦

[@titanicpat1275]

There are people who face no requirement to be correct. and the arguments and views and links that they form are skewed (rotten) by this.

[@georgef1936]

It was especially painful when Carl proved his point about over representation in British prisons of ethnic minorities. Narinder then just tries a 'level with me, you keep talking about race.' Ffs. She is insufferable. Imagine being her husband, absolute torture listening to that voice and accent every day!

[@SS-qk8oc]

I hear this lots from wives and girlfriends ….

[@frdsg8350]

Connor after the podcast: " I can fix her"

[@inferno5988]

Real

[@armstrong2052]

I can indeed fix it. 😂❤

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

So tired of Conor “I’m totally straight guys trust me”

[@captainbigos9267]

Nah. He's still in the closet.

[@BasementPepperoni]

@@proudsaiyanprince2651 Yeeeeaaaaa, I've got a very STRONG suspicion that he's seen one up close.

[@rolanddeschain965]

I appreciate her ability to disregard visible reality when it suits her end.

[@blowfish1702]

Visible reality, statistical facts, basic word definitions, historical records...

[@HKfortyseven]

Oh, is this your first time arguing with a woman? Lmao they ALL do this to some degree.

[@DomGiggs]

"I am British" "Your Country bombed" You just can't make this up

[@alekskonters1153]

Carl should do a series on how to remain calm when faced with excessive yapping

[@OrwellsHousecat]

✅

[@TarnaxTheBarbarian]

Good lord, this woman's flip-flopping is insufferable. From "my dad and grandad came here to work in foundries because nobody else would", to "I'm not saying the indigenous didn't do these things", like, you literally just did. Also, she isn't aware that she's making Carl's point for him. She keeps referencing the British as something other than herself that she isn't a part of. She'll say "you did this", or "you lot did that". She fundamentally doesn't see herself as British, then gets mad when people point it out.

[@Stephen-lx9nm]

Didnt see many in the mines ,steel industry ,ship building 😂

[@glorfification]

What she meant to say was, her dad and grandad came to Britain because their own country didn't want them or need them, and they were willing to accept lower pay because it was more than they were worth.

[@Songbirdstress]

@@Stephen-lx9nm What she said about Coventry wasn't true either. I was there.

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

When I read 'flip-flopping' I immediately imagined her screaming in arabic and hitting something with a sandal for some reason.

[@bvyup2112]

not to mention I didn't do any of that. I'm just a workin class guy, I don't have any power to take from people...

[@HenryTheOunce]

"I'm just as British as you" ... "We Indians" 😅

[@Zetact_]

Makes it funny when she says, "We've got poo in our water because it's privatized."

[@leecooper-mv3vf]

She suffers from a special form of cognitive dissonance. The only satisfaction is knowing how much it eats her up not belonging.

[@DouginTO]

This is the woman who tweeted about Kate Middleton "Genuine question - why has Kate aged so much? Isn't she only 42? Is she a smoker?" She's certainly no genius.

[@wibblegorm]

I actually want to congratulate Carl and the Lotus Eaters team: this conversation was very well judged. Narinda's outright contempt for both the British and logical thought is laid bare here. It's crystal clear that she has contempt for us at best. Her disgusting slip'n'slide axt where she picks her ethnic group based on whatever os most advantageous to her in the moment is a common trope that, nevertheless, is shown here in exceptional clarity. People need to understand how revolting these people are. They have to go back!

[@Ewil.Bluetooth]

Yeah sure, but it needs to be pointed out directly in the debate. You can't expect the average viewer to pick up on things by themselves. If you want to get power in a democracy, it's vital that you also speak to people who are "dumber" than Carl.

[@chrisgunther109]

I don't think she has outright contempt for the British; she's just bought the lefty talking points hook, line and sinker.

[@smithjones9130]

Tbh i don't see any genuine contempt. She just isn't very smart.

[@interesting2491]

Bang on about the fact she was calling British people “they” when I thought she is also British?

[@RockSolitude]

This really isn't the chess game you think it is. Carl was trying to have a legitimate debate with someone who's on the completely opposite side of the spectrum. As it turns out, this conversation was not well judged because it wasn't a conversation at all.

[@lewis-does-dev]

" WHO TOLD YOU THEY ARNT WORKING" "the office of national statistics..." *YELLING CONTINUES*

[@boshankers12]

Carl clearly hasn’t heard the phrase “don’t argue with a stupid person, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience”.

[@172louis]

I like that one. That's a new good one for me to remember. 👍

[@armstrong2052]

That is, I believe a Mark Twain quote, my friends.

[@NotAnElf]

Bonhoeffer's law of stupidity does a good job of giving that saying a bit more detail.

[@braveheart4603]

But Carl is still trying to convince the masses who in general are very stupid so it's good practice for him. Personally i don't think populism ever achieved anything and the masses pretty much irrelevant.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Somebody also said arguing with a stupid person pointless, like wrestling a pig. You'll end up covered in shit and the pig will enjoy it.

[@jakewaters_music]

Over 90 minutes of debating and she lost on every single point she tried to make.. yet she still thinks she’s right and you’re just racist.. utterly hopeless.

[@BenIdoine]

I actually find what she's been saying about steel and foundry workers in West Bromwich area to be quite offensive. My family are from this area. My father was a foundry worker. My grandfather worked for the car manufacturers in the Birmingham area. Our wider family were all in these jobs. To claim that white British people didn't want to do these jobs is an outright lie. These businesses were predominantly populated from multiple generations of the local indigenous population, going right back to the Industrial Revolution. In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, these places were viewed as skilled jobs. People sought these jobs because they were reasonably well paid, and mostly secure long term, and there was a significant culture from these work places that also fed the culture of the local population. Often you'd have three generations working side by side. The perception of this might have changed later with the softer, cleaner jobs people valued once education created different pathways. But, her claim is completely without fact.

[@alphaevolution]

Why do you think it's called "The Black Country"? Absolute joke of a claim she made. I'm from the area myself and granted I haven't been there for a couple of years but growing up and meeting all sorts of people who worked in the foundries (white, black, indian) because my family were in those industries, the vast majority were fantastic people to talk to who had their feet on the ground. The non-indigenous respected the local area and integrated. I'm not suggesting she is lying about her father getting abuse but so did many others who came here initially by a few bad apples. But I can tell you from going to working men's clubs, meeting people and even West Bromwich Albion and the "Three Degrees" back in the late 70's and the relationship between football and the working class , I can take a punt and say her father didn't help himself on occasions either, without sounding disrespectful.

[@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756]

Lol we had one gen of boomers convincing everyone to go to college and all of the sudden it's "brits won't do these jobs" like they weren't the ones to do them for centuries.

[@NikeaTiber]

It seems to me that she also doesn't realize that jobs in the iron industry *tend to cover you in soot* After a few hours into your shift, *everyone* has the same skin tone regardless of what it was before your shift started. I don't doubt that she has seen old footage from a mill, she just doesn't realize that you can't tell a worker's ethnicity after a few hours in the factory. I'm an ironworker, and even wearing my welding mask and not being exposed to foundry smoke my face is usually smeared with black from burnt oil and welding smoke by the end of my shift if I'm not careful to take off my gloves before I touch my face.

[@elsmallo]

​@@alphaevolution It's because they are building their own origin story. It's a myth, essentially, but because history is not taught in this country anymore people increasingly don't have a rejoinder to it. And ofc white people's history is just smeared as racism now, whereas the leftist media organisations are desperately searching for positive black/gay histories to tell. Increasingly these are the only histories told in the media. Soon, people will genuinely believe that it was black people who established this country and saved the whites from themselves. This history is already being written.

[@rosspritchett8423]

Its extremely offensive and insulting to try to take credit for the blood sweat and tears of you ancestors who built an exceptional homeland over centuries.

[@seandelap8587]

Being born in a stable doesn't make you a horse its not your country of birth but your heritage that makes you the ethnicity that you are

[@420StepsFromHell]

I dunno man she looks pretty equine to me

[@blunderingfool]

​@@420StepsFromHellBetween her and a horse? Well I hope my date is a pony or I'm going to be rather disappointing.

[@miffedcuttlefish6139]

😂😂😂😂😂 okay. I wouldnt have a home in Cuba, or Puerto Rico. I'm not tied to any of that, even though it's "what I am." By blood. By philosophy, I'm fully American. Actually, I'm far more American than my likewise 1st Gen American uncle who thinks Communism id fkn great

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

​@@420StepsFromHellthey do love a bit of inbreeding, dont they

[@vulkanofnocturne]

You are talking about beliefs, post above was talking about ethnicity and biology. American isn't a biological identity but a conceptual one. @@miffedcuttlefish6139

[@homeoftheinepttulpagamer]

Less than 1.5% of the country somehow singlehandedly drove all the buses, worked in the steel foundaries and wiped everyones bum. Quite impressive.

[@spookidrew4284]

​@BradleyUK58 into the ground apparently 😅

[@RichToff-b6s]

Let's pray for her husband 🙏

[@12yearoldscotch]

The British Empire was a gift to the world. A gift she does not deserve.

[@rayswarnau3868]

I can think of two good reasons to let her stay.

[@undeadwerewolves9463]

Ask an Indian in India if they miss the British empire. The answer would surprise.

[@BalkanUltras48]

She deserves the Turks, Arabs and Mongolians

[@nitrobob89]

But we stole everything apparently. India would rival Wakanda if the British didn't come...

[@poopoppy]

An Aboriginal Australian would disagree.

[@lolalouise9503]

Narinda is a perfect example of “you can’t reason with stupid”.

[@sgameirojr]

I don't know if it's stupid, instead of just ideologically possessed grifter whose livelihood depends on keeping a combative albeit stupid position. Maybe it's just dishonesty.

[@xyo1337]

No need to be nasty.

[@davidjohns4745]

@@xyo1337Every reason to be nasty, but he’s trying.

[@xyo1337]

@@davidjohns4745 Nah, you're as bad as the left if you feel the need to sink to such depths.

[@johnnyfreespeech5815]

I’ve always thought that it’s more accurate to say ‘you can’t reason with emotional.’ That’s what this conversation shows and the majority of liberals are the same as her. They come into these conversations with a strong emotional tie to their silly beliefs. It’s understandable to be fair. I mean if you genuinely believed that the person that you were talking to was an evil bigot because of your conditioning, then sure, it would be hard to listen to their logic and justifications. Is it any wonder they go straight in with an aggressive and patronising tone like we saw here?

[@lothos-tu4uh]

brief summary of 95mins: narinder: "britain did this really bad thing" carl: "yes but so did everyone else and we tried to make it better" narinder: "and britain did this other bad thing" carl: "yes but so did everyone else and we tried to make it better"

[@miketalley5476]

She is rude, combative, unprofessional, disingenuous and unwilling to allow Mr. Benjamin to complete a thought or comment, without interrupting him! What a truly HORRIBLE woman!

[@HeroSword_P]

"You’re saying all immigrants are bad". THIS, this is how they ALWAYS frame you when you try to actually meet them halfway, this proved that this was a pointless endeavor from the start...

[@Zenn_Chan]

This is why a lot of people have just decided "Fine, YES. Is that what you wanted? I DO now think that"

[@seanbaker9966]

Almost all immigration is bad but they want to try and make it personal, which is why they frame it as you calling the immigrant bad and not the policy itself.

[@hodgebodge]

I mean there are plenty who are decent people. But there is no way to fix the greater problem of immigration without collateral that affects the good and the bad alike. It's not pretty, but like our ancestors did time and time again, we must harden our hearts and strengthen our resolve if we intend to survive. ​@ClarenceBoddicker87

[@GamePlayuh9510]

Yep, but the political right always want to look the part of the hero, because they believe open dialogue to be some kind of inherent virtue. I wouldn't personally consider dialogue with a brick wall to be virtuous, but hey, to each their own, I guess...

[@benfisher1376]

Yes, or if you are against mass immigration, automatically they think you're against all immigration

[@CaptainoftheCs]

I listened live up to the point when Narinder didn’t understand what ‘per capita’ meant. It was a pointless endeavour after that.

[@deepzepp4176]

None of them ever do.

[@WayStedYou]

Or just ignore it

[@richmendelson8194]

No, they know, most of them anyway. They just pretend they don't. They HAVE to. @@deepzepp4176

[@racheljames7]

Leftists don't know how numbers even work.

[@iainrobinson4280]

"Seriously, Mary Jane, they don't understand what 'per capita' means. It's like their brains can't compute it or something. Try it; all they see is one number larger than the other" ~basedPeterP

[@MillywiggZ]

Interesting watching this. Someone who’s very invested in thier own race, culture, skin colour, ethnic heritage is asking the other why the English identity and skin colour is important.

[@tinfoilhomer909]

Yes, and worst of all is Carl fumbling to answer. Her question to the Englishman is WHY do racial differences matter to HIM and he can't help but turn it into a philosophy lesson.

[@Zenn_Chan]

@@tinfoilhomer909 Sadly, retardation can be infectious. I genuinely believe arguing with people like this costs you braincells. The old joke "Arguing with you made me stupider" is true.

[@Xplora213]

@@tinfoilhomer909it’s a fundamentally racist question. The fact that it’s not called as such makes it such an impossible one to answer.

[@Kate-d7t]

By the way Narinder, I’m 58, white, female, and have worked many years ‘wiping bums’ for £10 an hour. And by the way, what’s wrong with looking after the elderly, compared to spouting off your own opinions whilst dolled up in a way that would be frowned upon in her heritage country!

[@Angelcynn-x9m]

Him: "That's why the British had to get on boats and leave India" Her: "Yeah as they should of" Me: "It's funny you say that because I have the same feeling about you lot😂"

[@romeisfallingagain]

precisely. they hate the british empire, and wanted them to leave, but they all want to occupy britain? why is that?

[@go_rilla262]

Notice she claims British but says "you" instead of "we"

[@stephentaylor2119]

Then she gets all irate when she thinks he is suggesting the same!

[@vin00ify]

Just to clear things up, white British people who owned property and businesses in India weren't kicked out of India when India gained independence in 1947. Britain handed power and governance to the Indian population. The white British population were more than welcome to stay in India so long as they were ok with being governed by Indians. They weren't confident in an India run by Indians, so they chose to sell up and leave. As an Indian, what was also particularly sad about Independence was that most of the Anglo-Indian population of India (half white and half Indian people, which was predominantly British father and Indian mother) also chose to leave India too because they had no faith in an India run by Indians. Roughly 60% of Anglo-Indians left India in 1947, choosing their white British father's bloodline over their Indian mother's bloodline. At the time of independence there were minsters in the Lok Sabah (India's house of commons) that were Anglo-Indian. Today very few Anglo-Indians are present in the country.

[@romeisfallingagain]

@@vin00ify its so funny, our ancestors rejected being ruled by poojeets, but the conservative party enabled a poojeet to rule us MHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HAHA HAH oh my HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@mac1991seth]

"Here are the jail numbers, certain demographic is overrepresented." "No it isn't, I don't believe it, you got the numbers wrong." What a waste of time and digital space. Let's rewind back 30 minutes and listen how she wanted to have a friendly, honest conversation. The numbers don't lie. If you make up a total of 3% of the population then the same demographic in prison shouldn't be higher than 5%.

[@gideondejongh838]

Bingo.

[@pelnapkins4379]

Yeah that was frustrating. She really didn't understand the concept of overrepresentation.

[@SomeRandomComments]

I don't think she understands how percentages work.

[@alexmiller6955]

Why 5% and not 3%. Anyway, I might expect elevated levels if people are being treated a bit poorly by some as minorities, but not ten fold.

[@MrX-po2kj]

You can't argue with stupid

[@danj1426]

Carl: Let's talk about the grooming gangs Narinder: "No I don't want to talk about that" What is the point of even coming on for a debate when you don't want to actually debate.

[@popeye9347]

Literally too scared. Which just shows you how loving and peaceful they are.

[@soothsayer1964]

I won't watch this as she makes my blood boil. By the sounds of it she's doing what she usually does - a loud windbag full of anti-British bile who thinks drowning out your opponent means you won the argument.

[@Bar_Steward]

and he lets her get away with it? what is the point in these people anymore? they are just budget GB news

[@danj1426]

Yep I like Carl but let's be honest the entire podcast felt like he held back a fair bit. Possibly just because he wanted to be kind I guess. @@Bar_Steward

[@Timic83tc]

Karl didn't want to talk about any of the British atrocities. they both just dismiss

[@CorundumDevil]

"When has Britain ever felt sympathy for anyone?" *_Well, considering they're the first empire to stand against the global slave trade paid for out of pocket, and then proceeded to ACTUALLY-LITERALLY-FOR-REAL pay reparations to affected families--_*

[@psychogoreman198]

This women is everything thats wrong with society atm.

[@Snuffalaffagas]

"We were left in squalor!!!" Firstly, we? I thought you were British...whos we? Secondly, they found you in squalor....dont act like India was some progressive paradise before the Empire conquered it

[@wobblybobengland]

Bradford, squalid, me?

[@gregfenton7350]

If he was Native American and she was white no one would question what Carl is saying about being Native and would probably call her racist for this belief/position

[@richardbalison398]

Carl ran rings around her logically… I’m surprised she didn’t yell. “Burma!” “I panicked.”