Disrespected Fuel tank & First Start - Nissan President Ep3

[@theskidfactory]

Fancy Button up shirts here! www.theskidfactory.com

[@79series]

Looking forward to the turbo on this build

[@scottydaly7270]

Open that bloody exhaust up boys, it goes against everything we stand for

[@nielsdebakker3283]

@@scottydaly7270 vip cars are supposed to be quiet.

[@scottydaly7270]

@@nielsdebakker3283 denied haha let her bark

[@thecelticprince4949]

@@nielsdebakker3283 2 resonators and a free flow muffler per bank.

[@JohnComeOnMan]

When Alan said "I have to find that relay" (22:30) I breathed a sigh relief. That's the perfectionist I've come to know and love! Wait, love? Well..no, I mean respect, or...ahh..whatev. 😎👍

[@JoeSmith-jp7bk]

Ha... gayyyyyyy

[@AntonBabiy]

It's not just perfectionism though. Modules partially left in circuit can cause parasitic draw if you don't thoroughly understand how they work. Spend 10 more minutes now and save a days of headache later

[@thewoomelanghotel8756]

@@AntonBabiy Ahem, perfectionist you say. Bims on about the dodgy fuel sender/pick up abortion then puts a cable tie on the level sensor.?? A P clamp perhaps would be a perfectionist. Alans is still awesome though.

[@Daemione]

And also I think it was the single funniest moment on this channel I've ever seen... the look of struggle on his face while considering just running a new ground, then finally blurting out that he has to find it - "I can't not." :lol:

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

The zip tie in the fuel tank is still a bit backyard mechanic. Wouldn't have taken long to knock up a proper bracket. I mean we don't need to get all Project Binky on it ass, but a zip tie is a bit sub par.

[@watsisbuttndo829]

When Al stopped using the finglonger to point at stuff i struggled to know what bit to look at.

[@MrZX1206]

Dr. Farnsworth, is that you?

[@MattExzy]

A man can dream.

[@joealex65]

29:20 Marty's "IN THE BIN!" face had me in tears! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@Tilpants]

First time I've seen rust coloured smoke :D

[@cecilforbes3034]

RoadKill was drag racing other day and his Manuel 383 car I think don’t quote me ,was pumping brown smoke as it launched

[@smallenginedude71]

When I first got my Mercedes 300D it did that for about 4 months until I finally blew it all out lol

[@cainnibl]

When Woody said "can we just earth it?" But Al said he HAD to find that relay I swooned, lol. A wiring guy doesn't simply leave gremlins behind. You hunt them down and kill them.

[@johngriffin9547]

My theory on the relay - it was an early fuel safety device. Some controller isn't seeing a tach signal so turns the pump off to stop it from burning out or pumping fuel after an accident.

[@glennimmortal]

My hr31 ran a pickup pump before the main pump maybe it's just the prestart priming relay

[@coltonmcrae5873]

I was thinking along the same lines, maybe there's a messed up rollover switch in the car. My guess is this fuel relay controller is the reason this car got a carby retrofit in the first place.

[@thatguyb3rt]

This was my thought as well. My aw11 has a similar system but fed off of the flapper door style air flow meter instead of a tach signal.

[@taicr80]

Could also just be a voltage dropping resisitor to slow down the pump for light loads. Some are 12V-9V and some pumps don't like running on 9V

[@truthseeker8483]

@@coltonmcrae5873 Haha!! Most likely!

[@gjmob]

Going back to my days at Holden, the VL Commodore (Nissan Engine) had a set up which cut power to the fuel pump and oxygen sensor heater wire (on the same circuit) if the relay didn't receive spark signal after 10 seconds in case the fuel line got damaged in an accident. Because you got rid of the factory ECU the timer was coming into play.

[@PX125E]

This car rang a bell for me. The tweed heads thing in the fuel tank pretty much confirms I’ve seen this car before. It used To park up on Cavil Ave in the late eighties. Like on the footpath with bad asses sitting in it possibly procuring ‘customers’ and possibly ‘sales’ of a certain type. Back then it was the most awesome car I’d ever seen. And it still is.

[@BarrelBros]

It sounds so much happier! Even pre tune. Starts right up! Didn't do that before. That sponsor segment was pure gold! Hahahaha!

[@andrewlangford88]

Some of the old dattos have a fuel cut off switch based on oil pressure. They turn off the fuel when there is no oil pressure. The reason it probably starts for a bit and then shuts off is because they have a timer that will allow it to run with no oil pressure when it first starts up (so the fuel pump will still run when the engine is off and you go to start the car)

[@gazza116]

some early kubota tractors had ths when you changed the oil and filter you had to restart it twice.

[@DirtySlapper99]

How bloody good are dattos I've got a 200b sx in the back yard I'll get to one day

[@tortron]

VN commodores "had" that but the wiring was wrong from factory and it never worked

[@nismofreak33]

@@tortron yep. deleted that shit asap lol

[@davidmccarron4832]

yes in the uk rover did this if no oil pressure after abbot 10 secs it cutout

[@pete1973x]

This vid is TSF at its best to me: modernising a motor with great engineering and knowledge. An actual joy to watch it being done right. Cheers lads.

[@NicheEscape]

" Mark didn't request that " "Huh, what's the point? " Lost it 🤣🤣

[@nathanielking2987]

Al solving the relay problem was therapeutic and inspirational at the same time

[@IndianaTony]

Mostly we call them spark plug wires, except for a small (but significant) part of Minnesota where they're referred to as lightning hoses.

[@ferrumignis]

Totally appropriate name since they connect to the lightning whirler.

[@alexbrown1995]

Only by 34.857 percent of the population

[@zeropoint546]

According to VGG those are "lightning hoses".

[@soulwagon1251]

That's what connects the lightning whirler to the sparkulators! Derek's the best!!

[@glennponting8609]

🤣🤣 well I’ll be dipped

[@kerynbell429]

They got rid of the fuel make it happener and the clickiy clack fuel pump.

[@kerynbell429]

Too many digicals with this Haltec set-up.😁

[@ToomasTelling]

nice to see VGG fans over here :)

[@guyforlogos]

“I have to find that relay... I can’t not” Words of wisdom to live by from Turbo Yoda! You are the master Al, we are just humble padawan learners.

[@Jake_Hamlin]

"This is where we're up to" Best intro in awhile

[@Heliore]

You guys nailed that advertising.

[@MickeyJDM]

Pretty sure most Nissan's of the 80's & 90's era has those fuel control units. Basically just a unit with 2 earths, on direct to earth and the other via a resistor to reduce voltage to the pump at low engine rpm to reduce fuel pump noise. Can't remember what triggers it but when upgrading to an aftermarket pump most people bypass it and ground it directly as most aftermarket pumps don't like running at a reduced voltage.

[@mediocre_moto]

A lot of Toyota’s had this as well, Soarers and Supras come to mind.

[@kylehimself7463]

A good example Al should know is a 300zx. Variable earth Voltage control

[@Jason-cu1jp]

Yeah, Aus-delivered R31 also.

[@GavinTranter]

On all sorts of old cars, rx7s had them to.

[@T-MANONE]

Seeing Cheepa pop up at 27:40 brings back old memories of budget tv ads, and getting a vanilla coke for $1.50, but it was only slightly past it's best buy date.

[@joshcatton8686]

This needs more thumbs up 👍🏻

[@Oosh21]

R32 GTSt had an inline resistor that would be switched over to drop voltage and drop fuel pump speed when full bore wasn't required. Problem is a lot of aftermarket pumps simple won't spin at all at that lower voltage. It's common practice to bypass it. I did mine >15 years ago based on some SAU forums posts and have no idea how but I'm sure you'll work it out if you haven't already.

[@jonasthemovie]

Considering the lamp shutting down, I don´t think it connects a resistance in series, I think the extra wire is to get a resistance to time the shutoff.

[@TheBrokenLife]

Today's useless fact from me: TI Automotive stands for "Tubing Investment" and they bought Walbro, Bundy, and several other larger players in the fuel and fluid carrying business some time ago. They're a holdings company. That's why the name changed. I'm honestly surprised it took them so long. It's been TI for about 20 years now.

[@ThisFinalHandle]

That fuel tank unit was a piece of artwork.

[@negativeindustrial]

Some people will go incredibly far to not do something correctly.

[@KINGKit808]

The good old pre pump relay, got to love em :), and you cut out the ecm, which wont send the signal to the relay to keep it running

[@nielsdebakker3283]

Woody standing there looking like he forgot to take out the shirt hanger.

[@Scoots1994]

I really enjoy the snarky banter between the guys.

[@dubCanuck1]

Al's disdain on no turbo. Makes me think of the spit take with BOM.

[@pete1973x]

That was a great tie up, love that scene.

[@Matty.Hill_87]

New binky episode is coming soon, it has to be

[@Hugobros3]

the anticipation for the next episode of binky is just incredible

[@Matty.Hill_87]

@@Hugobros3 it's final assembly and little details now, so shouldn't be to much longer, they've been teasing a new episode on Facebook recently

[@bigdickbill3767]

@@Matty.Hill_87 the last 20% takes 80% of the time or whatever they say

[@graemeandrews7344]

That was the best sponsor ad ever!! Do more of these please!!

[@tommuborgir7747]

27:13 Ok, i watch this channel almost religiously, but now im even more excited. i LOVE Bonsai trees!

[@theskidfactory]

Woody is Bonsai nut.

[@adman6380]

You need to give those guys doing the shirt modelling a raise! Great stuff as always Woodrigos and Al

[@PhilTheGeek]

You were very quiet about announcing your new 4k content. The Skid Factory just took the viewing experience to a new level. Merch promo is still the best on the tube.

[@leighharron]

Love the Jack Donaghy diversifying synergy style advertising! Also, complimentary bonsai shot there Woodzer

[@Lachz10]

Perfect point to cut the self promo: “That’ll do, it’s ‘spost to be shi…” Perfect!

[@OriginalMomo]

@9:50….” Or just lend it to your wife or significant other, and they’ll do it for you “…. Al, you savage lol

[@bvward]

For me, reverse is true... Wife tells me she needs gas... My excuse to escape!

[@JDM911]

Thumbs up for the move to 4k. Looking sharp, boys!

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

Hells yes. Looks great.

[@aSinisterKiid]

That Sponsor ad was perfection. That shirt is bloody brilliant !

[@PiDsPagePrototypes]

Faaaark. The warning was appropriate! That was some rough boggage.

[@youngfisho]

Clear prop!!!! Reminds me when I used to get chauffeur driven to school in the olds 69 vw Beatle . Phil Collins, Elton John. Industrial deafness is a real thing.

[@fordyford]

Did Mark say to specify the HR31 sender unit and not to say R31? 🤣. Fuel cut off relay. I remember reading about this when doing an engine swap in my HR31. Fuel pump has a safety relay on a timer (best way I can describe it) so it cuts outs in case of an accident. Seems like that's what happening. When you first turn on the ignition the pump primes and cuts out, by bypassing it the pump will constantly stay on with ignition reds. There may be some info on this on the R31 Skyline Club. I don't think I posted anything about it in my build thread but another member (acsplit on that forum) wired my car 15 years ago and would have a good idea.

[@alitis000]

I’m pretty sure that relay that cuts the ground to the fuel pump is a capacitor and is meant to get a neg signal from the coil so the fuel pump stops after a short time period of no signal from the coil. Basically just like a LPG neutral safety switch

[@ifluro]

When the engine stops, the fuel pump stops. Toyota's used the air flow meter signal to control the "circuit open relay". Only other thing I can think of is a high/low pump circuit. Starts on full voltage circuit then cuts to the low voltage circuit for idle and light throttle.

[@alexredsell9098]

Z32s control fuel pump speed on the ground side of the circuit - i'd assume this is the same. Its pretty common to just ground the pump when fitting aftermarket pumps as the OEM pump speed controller doesn't like the extra current draw.

[@Bigelboe]

Yeah I bet it's this, a dual speed pump setup

[@haphazard1342]

So it's running at full speed during startup and then some control drops it to low speed since it's idling after the cold start enrichment period?

[@Bigelboe]

@@haphazard1342 yeah that's what I was thinking, seems plausible eh. I had an r33 skyline that had this kind of control so it's definitely not just the z32.

[@mijetman5255]

@@Bigelboe yes sounds exactly the same as my R32 setup and as mentioned above. I have and forums recommend to bypass when fitting a new / bigger fuel pump to confirm 12v getting to the pump. I believe it was to stop excess fuel circulating at idle and low revs. And also to keep the fuel pump noise down, especially at idle while stationary for example.

[@FuelInjectionSucks]

That was a clean fuel system install. Looks like we did it.

[@ludviglag]

The sponsor segment in this episode was just awesome. And the shirts look hilarious, I mean amazing. Keep up the good work guys, you do a fantastic job! Greetings from Sweden

[@RocketmanXO]

Watching you guys is like watching a detail filled 80s school presentation that appeals to a certain group of the class.

[@Akestler]

I'm American, named my son Holden and I enjoy this channel.

[@gregleithoff5943]

You guys mix up just the right amount of bafoonery with good hard facts, that works for me. I know some people are going to fix stuff that might not seem right but as long as the wallet says ok then it's ok!! I am a Ford guy here in Vegas would love to see a Barra in my wife's 78 2 door Granada!!

[@GMKOOP]

very happy with Als pointer

[@StefSki71]

Nice work lads! 😎

[@alanjones99]

Hay Al it's Al in Perth. Yep blue relay is a fuel pump relay in standard format they have 30sec on key acc power, but should still run. They are common fault Japanese stuff. Just run your own wiring n be done. Also safe 👌

[@tonywestwood876]

ahhhh! V8s, obscure problem solving, cheesy merch ads and spongebob references - you've made my day

[@NH3rrm4nn]

That end clip, some real life flinch. Y'all ever had first start explosion in ya faces? I assume so.. I'm American, am I using the word right? Legend

[@NissanNut74]

Great upgrades to a classic! Amazed at how well the haltech works with these. Keep the Datsun's and Nissan projects coming!

[@davidyates748]

Best merch plug. Ever.

[@Gjarllarhorn1]

TSF Sponsors are the best

[@scottydaly7270]

Please in the name of the skid factory open that exhaust up

[@Nitrosine]

Turbo it! Nissan did some tests with a Y40 or 44 in a 280ZX race car putting out 933hp with the help of two turbos. Loving the series so far

[@steveking9574]

Awesome to see this running guys! In my one I had to disconnect the plug to the black box by the blue relay or it will flood (shit injectors?) That seems to be a timer system that runs the pump for about 30 secs. There is a relay at the front right of engine bay that clicks on and off on mine that runs the pump but the ECU turns it off quite quickly unless the motor is running. A turbo would be fantastic on these for keeping up with traffic, been passed by tradie vans on the big hills more than once.

[@tgfcujhb7583]

That in tank fuel filter looks like the one AvE just replaced on his dear john tractor...🤔👍👍👍👍

[@fendel_]

I will definitely order a turbo button-up shirt! Love the ad! That confusing fuel-relay part was great, love when Al said that he had to find it. Any chance for The Skid factory shorts in the future?

[@tdlaustralia7791]

That DIY fuel system was crazy. The calender from holden was worrying, did they just have it or did a holden worker do it.

[@Jacobtheunwise]

Knowing holden was definitely a worker lol

[@alexbrown1995]

Bloody rough as! I'm surprised the whole car didn't go up in flames.....(before the boys got to it, I mean...)

[@twinshock175]

Using silicon sealant around the fuel pump assembly on the bodged setup is the worst ever with petrol, is sort of dissolves and goes gooey and stringy. I am amazed it didnt do that and clog the jets up in the carby. I learnt the hard way when I was a young kid and did exactly that on my motorbike.

[@darley04]

I need to check my old manuals but from memory the old Nissan ECCS systems used to run a 9 (ish) volt feed to the pump via either the ECU or a tachometric relay to keep the noise of the pump down (and heat) at idle and very low RPM. When the RPM rose the engine control system would switch it to battery power (14 odd volts) and the pump would run at full delivery. The last Nissan that i can remember that had a version of that system was the R31 Skyline with the RB30E engine.

[@kitto31]

Nissan did do some weird shit with fuel pump control in the 80s. Generally the pump had either constant or switched 12V supply and the 0V was variably controlled to ground through a resistor bridge. Either through a FPCM (Fuel Pump Control Module) or directly by the ECU (Ausdel R31 Skyline). This ground was typically black sheath and grounded back to the unit or ECU with a white inner sheath from memory. General rule of thumb - upgrade the wiring. New 12V ignition switched supply and the 0V back to a relay that is switched by the ECU. Or better yet, fuel pump PWM speed controller.

[@beerturbogarage]

the old nissan tanks were bad for slosing, as they only had a small cup the fuel pump sat in. did this one have the cup removed? i actually removed the in tank cup on a r31 and fitted a falcon style MRA (std surge tank) to the r31 top hat...as the factory surge tanks do a decent job for what there designed (keep fuel around the pump). Interesting the pressy one worked as they normally use the return flow of fuel to feed a suction valve at the bottom of the MRA to fill the MRA...and looked like the pressy just had the tube sitting in no mans land.

[@ashautomotive]

for those wondering. NASI GORENG = Stir Fried Rice. local food found around south east asia. NASI = Rice, GORENG = Fry/Fried.

[@Fan119]

It’s 11:45 pm and I was about to go to sleep. Key word was.

[@papapetad]

The back of the car looks cool. Those lights remind me of the old w123 mercedeses.

[@GarageTakai]

The relay is a fuel pump safety switch and runs off either the coil or the RPM output from the ECU. The other box has a simple 555 timer setup in it. It’s the equivalent of the old Circuit Opening Relay in the Crown or AW11 ;)

[@sickmick8846]

Love the Turbo shirts. Can we please get some kids/Toddler size bucket hats? I'll take 2!

[@foxpsi]

Love your pointer Al.

[@benmoran1567]

Intro is gold !

[@Skulljeep00]

The ending would be even funnier with a slow clap at the end. Hahaha

[@rigs1315]

Hey all, i think that rear relay is a safety device that cuts out the fuel in the event of a rear end impact. Often they are a one off use motion sensor item, so if triggered you need to replace the unit( i.e. hit up the rear or smashed in with frustration with an 8oz attitude adjuster). The unit triggers the relay and the relay cuts off the earth. I understand some states in the US have this as a mandatory RWC item.

[@ravika1206]

It's probably been said but I believe the controller for the relay is looking for signals from the engine, be it oil pressure, tac signal or something else, if the controller doesn't see the signal it automatically switches off the fuel pump after a set amount of time. It could be in case of an accident, or if they don't want the pump to keep running with the key in the ignition.

[@battyboomfatty]

@22.30 is basically the whole reason I watch 😂. Do it right!

[@Weissenschenkel]

That relay in the back could be part of an "immobilizer" system. You turn on the engine and you need to press a secret push button somewhere in a hidden spot. If you don't, the engine dies after X seconds. This kind of thing was pretty much common in the 1980's. By the way: very cool shirts!

[@detroitredwing919]

Ilove the intro 😂much love from Detroit 👍 THANX Great job( Yes Woody it made since )

[@davenorman8251]

It's a fuel pump priming/safety relay..Turn the key and the pump primes but then stops if you don't start it..the original setup would have picked up an "engine running" signal to keep it on once the car started..

[@brendonv101]

For the fuel control, it derates the pump at idle to be less noisey. I believe it requires a pressure sensor output which was probably on the old pump but not the new one. The fuel pump ecu probably has a condition where if it senses no pressure for 30 seconds it'll shut off power (in case a hose has split). You're right, skyline has the same stupid system.

[@ozbusa]

Awesome episode. So good to watch. Love a tricky problem.

[@boringbob9357]

Love the sales pitch!

[@aaronturkey]

As a Tasmanian, I appreciate the Cheepa the Chicken appearance :)

[@Jason-cu1jp]

"Don't ya love 'em". 😁

[@scummyinoz]

Chicken feed

[@soul-jacker1951]

it's all you need that little touch made the video go a long long way!

[@1971dabbles]

Was just talking about a Holden dealer I saw still open down the Tweed

[@cassowaryind]

Fuel pumps used to switch of if the alternator was not putting out 13.5v, It was an accident prevention that in an event of a crash, if the eng stopped but the key was still on the fuel pump would turn off to prevent fires. So just check that you haven't isolated a volt meter or amp meter.

[@jayeomans]

@28:18 Beautifully awkward, love it! Haha!

[@GlenDiesel]

Hey guys, I've got a 1998 pontiac gtp 3800 supercharged that would do something similar to what your fuel pump is doing. The fuel pump ballist resistor went bad and the car would start right up every time then die out after a short time. The way I understand it is they put a heavy duty type fuel pump in it from the factory and it had 2 circuits to run the pump. One for starting and a second one for running.

[@GlenDiesel]

I'm guessing my Grand Prix gtp has a similar fuel pump design to what your Nissan does.

[@saltyseadog2787]

I see the problem! The Nasi Goreng fella, specialised in wall making to keep the rabbits out not a fuel specialist 😜

[@tomahoks]

IM supriced it didn’t catch fire.

[@brycefern3209]

Bloopers crack me up 😂 legends 👍

[@cme2cau]

I've got one of those little fuel pumps in my Bedford. No trouble keeping the single barrel Stromburg supplied on the mighty red 202!

[@MrMeldarionx]

The advert at the end reminded me of "Dodgy Brothers" used cars advertisements.

[@rudykellum3096]

Bringing back the "awkward pause" at the end.

[@bbmas1930]

its a corporate car when golden exhaust gases flow

[@armandoboensel593]

Great job guys

[@vogs72]

The look of fear in Woody’s eyes at first fire- priceless 😂

[@pyromaniac1207]

Excellent cup!

[@vernkoczur]

a few days late but I know some 80s Nissan/Datsun had a oil pressure and alternator timed fuel pump cut, if the oil pressure sending unit has 3 or 4 wires one of them leads to the module, after cranking if it loses signal from both it will shut down.

[@chadlegault9993]

This series was really cool :) You guys are champs!

[@HomeMadeBoards]

9:54 "the previous o-ring has swollen to a size rendering it useless to us" 'Has swollen' is correct as it is the past particle of swell.

[@yowie0889]

You don't want any particles in your fuel!

[@MrZX1206]

*participle

[@HomeMadeBoards]

@@MrZX1206 good ol auto correct doesn't even know English 🤣

[@AlmightyRem]

Pretty sure that fuel relay setup is for an antiquated system for variable fuel pump speed so the pump only runs at full whack when needed and slows when at idle etc 😃👌

[@grahamserle7930]

The music at the end reminded me of a circus and I was waiting for the clowns. Oh well, two guys in black shirts will have to do. Nice video boys.