Disrespectful Melee

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[@roy_mezz-awake2470]

"Shroomed taunts frame-perfectly".

[@an_annoying_cat]

all of melee is frame perfect there is no buffer

[@fluoromarx]

@@an_annoying_cat frame-perfect because a single frame later he would've died to Jiggly's rest

[@user-wk6xw9iv2v]

@@fluoromarx what no

[@fluoromarx]

@@user-wk6xw9iv2v Super Smash Brothers Melee runs at 30 frames per second. Every single frame, characters can move or be moved. When being knocked back and experiencing hitstun, the only movement a player can make is "DI" in order to avoid being KOd. Regardless of DI, eventually a player will be KOd and lose their stock. The player known as Shroomed was experiencing knockback from Jigglypuff's down-special, "Rest". This move has a very small hitbox but great knockback. As Shroomed's character is of medium weight and was at a very high percent, it is almost guaranteed that this attack would KO him, losing the entire game. However, the time runs out, and the game ends as a draw. At the speed Shroomed was moving, the amount of frames per second in Melee, his percentage and position on the screen all indicate that this was, in fact, a frame perfect taunt as stopping to taunt a single frame earlier could have given Jigglypuff the opportunity to kill him sooner and win the entire game.

[@user-wk6xw9iv2v]

@@fluoromarx he was taunting for multiple frames though. how could this be quantified

[@Kyle_Schaff]

1:44 The title to my Melee fan fiction

[@kelvinmatheus6178]

Kyle Schaff this is the best comment on this video hands down

[@Kyle_Schaff]

*Kelvin Matheus* Hey, thanks, man :) Hope you had a good New Year

[@juneru2]

i can imagine the "it's always sunny in philadelphia" theme playing to that title

[@kizuuwu7563]

"Want me to show you my new move?" M2K whispered softly into Leffen's ear. "I call it the... up D."

[@worstspytf2824]

@@kizuuwu7563 I want to die Good Job

[@GrugGangGrugGang]

AKA "Everyone Hates Ice Climbers".

[@GeeGe.]

Fuck that character.

[@gitgud3245]

Ice grabers

[@dotfoxtom5942]

I don't have a problem with Icys, if you main icys and wobble every now and then that's fine, but if you main icys specifically to wobble that's what I would have a problem with. However what happened at the end is a good example of why I cant stand the melee community, its not cool and that puff does not deserve that win, also the fox that taunts 30 times that's also not cool. When you bully a person like that because they play a character you hate I don't think you should have the right to pick up a controller and play you know? what has that person done to you? nothing but yet they have the audacity to just crush there spirits and just embarrass them in front of everyone watching for the soul reason of you hating that character. Shame on all the people who did wrong in this vid and respect your fellow players because this kind of stuff is just uncool plain and simple.

[@kingjacko302]

DotFoxTom if only there was a way they could play another character that doesn’t make the tournament experience so miserable for everyone else

[@pwrightrocks]

DotFoxTom They make everyone else have a bad time with their cheap bullshit zero-to-death GRAB. I think it's fair to fuck with them as much as the game will allow. (I don't condone being a douche to them in real life, btw. That's way too far.) Also, the only reason anyone plays Icies at a tournament level is because of wobbling. If Icies didn't have that, they'd be low tier. You can't say, "oh, uh, but some people only do this shitty exploit some of the time" when that's all the character has. They do it every time they can, otherwise they would not have picked this character.

[@BeastlyMussel61]

"Oh, you're not approaching me?" "I can't beat the shit out of you."

[@PomadaGaming]

Lmao

[@rosaL8008]

This is a lot funnier than it shouldve been

[@timellis051695]

M2Ks shield breaker on leffen gets me every time. Read and a half right there

[@remkeymssb143]

M2K was living rent free inside Leffen’s head that match

[@GeeGe.]

@@remkeymssb143 hahahahahaha

[@isaaccooper862]

M2K > Leffen

[@Sandux930]

It's da king

[@myboy_]

"do something, I dare you"

[@lillieofthevlly]

[m2k uses neutral b once] "some very unorthodox move selections"

[@firstlast3313]

He also grabbed fox's side b

[@elgatochurro]

@@firstlast3313 with melee marths range on grab though... I'm not even surprised

[@Jardonius]

@@elgatochurro It's still something that requires a decent amount of timing to pull off. But you right tho, homie has the Force.

[@elgatochurro]

@@Jardonius "decent amount of timing" Yeah... as simple as pressing the button

[@Jardonius]

@@elgatochurro dang I said decent, not godlike 5ms reaction :\

[@kxngrxse1562]

imagine pullin up ready to show some of your skill for huge cash prizes just for some guy to kill you once then purposely avoid you for the entire rest of the game

[@quantum_leap786]

the dude was playing ice climbers. He deserved this

[@lagalil]

@@quantum_leap786 bro wobbling wasnt legal at that tournament what are you even talking about

[@bixlord]

@@lagalil why would he pick them then?

[@bennysbushcraft3378]

@@bixlord ice climbers have a lot of cool unique combo routes thanks to de sinking, you just don’t see them because wobbling is so stupidly easy and gives you the same result for doing less, why learn or do a complex combo when you can just grab.

[@YUSoMadYo]

@@bixlord because he mains ice climbers you dunce

[@BroChillRyan]

I just want to clarify that Colbol and I are friends and that was a joke, clearly.

[@Kriszzzful]

Ryan Collis COLIN IS CRAZY!! (btw colin is colbol, i can use his first name because we are tight like that. yeah i know top players but its whatever to me lol.

[@puckfaul]

Kriszzzful thanks for the input, i guess?

[@realityhumanity4619]

@@Kriszzzful Weird flex but ok

[@flyingfish1138]

Kriszzzful Bro that’s like not even a humble brag you just straight up trying to brag but newsflash no one gives a crap

[@Juan94766]

@@Kriszzzful i dunno how you can be "tight" with anyone with that attitude bro

[@protonjones54]

did he just walk away slowly and side smash?

[@azumarill1403]

Doctor Jones "He did, he really did tho" 😂

[@nerioroo8442]

I do that all the time when i play with my cousin, it's so fun when it works

[@B61zz13]

I understood your reference

[@ShinziiArt]

@@B61zz13 who doesn't lol

[@Fizz-Q]

@@ShinziiArt your sister mk11 players ult noobs

[@ricardoludwig4787]

Chu dropping his wobble on purpose is some next level bm, mad respect

[@Themonkeymartin]

What does bm stand for?

[@plainszebra8085]

@@Themonkeymartin Means "bad manners"

[@JosephQPublic]

@@Themonkeymartin - all the cool kids abbreviate their words now and use those words in the wrong context/application. Try it out some time.

[@mmmyum4779]

"wobble [...] respect" two words that shouldn't be used in a sentence together

[@overqwilgaming6614]

Respect? You do remember the part where he was wobbling, right?

[@adoll.5.0.02]

1:57 actually one of the most incdredible things I have ever seen in Melee

[@gustavocysneiros8513]

How many frames do you have to actually do that?

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@@gustavocysneiros8513 the frames that marts grab has

[@Aflay1]

That’s what happens when you talk trash to Mew2King. He literally goes Ultra Instinct.

[@pawlstothewall]

I do this with Ganon every time Fox side-b's into my grab range. Poor move choice on my part, but it's like a power-move. It really isn't hard to do. Jab would be a better choice for Ganon, however.

[@EgoPanikBG]

M2K just didn't give a fuck

[@Sombres]

1:57 I feel I've seen this moment animated before

[@VVheeli]

This feels like Cell calmly walking through Vegeta’s blasts. Like: “Fool. You thought I was fazed?”

[@Livisaber]

Lmao the "Marth is OP" animation.

[@exonax4188]

Fire emblem takes up have of the fucking roster it’s so fuc’n annoying

[@DynaDere]

"You're weak, Sasuke." "You're weak because you lack frame advantage."

[@awkwardcultism]

There are two fire emblem characters in melee.

[@shaunthesheep24]

Smash Melee Ice Climbers: oh great, here we go. Time to get wobbled. Smash Ultimate Ice Climbers: oh God, please no. Don't desynch combo me.

[@benjaminratthe9904]

I think Ice Climbers is the only character I prefer in Ultimate over Melee and that says alot

[@IGamingStation]

@@benjaminratthe9904 Because people hate that wobbling shit in Melee. Didn't at one point that move got banned or IC in general so people wouldn't abuse it?

[@mike-ns6sw]

Id rather die from a desync combo than being wobbled I can at least somewhat prevent my death instead of just sitting there staring at the screen and hopping they mess it up

[@elijahtidwell9220]

The issue is that wobbling is relatively easy compared to desync combos in melee. This has lead to melee IC players not pushing the IC meta forward because wobbling is easier and more optimal than desyncs. If wobbling was banned, new strategies would be found and ICs would probably still be viable.

[@Fizz-Q]

@@rewinddawg1126 it's already ban from like 3 months

[@revand8011]

"Yo, melee is so sick bruh" 9:35

[@thecountercounter9127]

As a wise man once said "melee isn't innately sick. The people are for it"

[@electrolyteblend]

This is actually why spaceies are important

[@den93050]

I knew exactly what part of the video this timestamp was going to lead to, yet when I clicked it still made me laugh

[@joseclapp319]

m2k beat a small child and no one cares

[@TwoHeadedMeerkat]

Wow. I didn't know Falco was still a minor.

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

Just a normal week in the melee community

[@TNinja0]

So this is what banning wobbling looks like.

[@ChristianTheChicken]

This is what whiny ics players who don't want to learn the mu without wobbling looks like.

[@BigJay_]

Both are assholes lol

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

@@Eric-ih5mb puff camps at least take patience, with wobbling you just grab and mash lmao

[@Rahnonymous]

@@hhhhhh-vi6sq what patience? You just get a percentage lead and run away for the rest of the match. It takes no skill and even less effort than wobbling. How is peach not allowed to time out an opponent, yet jiggs gets off scott free

[@hhhhhh-vi6sq]

@@Rahnonymous you need patience to not randomly run in and do dumb shit when in a percentage or stock deficit. with wobbling you just grab 4 times and win lmao, wobbling takes much less skill.

[@Kyro4Productions]

I feel like ChuDat isn't getting enough respect for that top-tier disrespect. His opponent tried to take away the satisfaction of the victory by making it seem like he didn't care, so Chu called him on his bluff and made him look stupid for trying so desperately (& failing) to recover.

[@alexan7058]

I think you're reading too much into it my guy. He was probably just thirsty

[@armanpamma9454]

Yeah, probably a dry throat

[@bup6340]

It really wouldn't make a difference. He had lost. Then ChuDat disrespected him and gave him a small chance to survive, which his opponent tried to capitalize on. I don't see anything wrong in that.

[@smirfbroil6934]

@@bup6340 I dont know wouldnt even call it disrespect, I think chudat just wanted to have some fun

[@Wyvern201]

So he got locked into an unwinnable situation and decided not to try to feebly and pointlessly fight against the unwinnable glitched situation and the guy who just blows it off and doesn’t get upset is the asshole?

[@silvesta5027]

9:27 S2J just being based as usual 😎

[@user-rv8yv4yh9n]

1:56 m2k just grabbing Leffen by the throat there, what a chad

[@joshuapatrick682]

That frame perfect taunt was exceptional.

[@thefunnyman3187]

1:21 DID HE JUST WALK AWAY SLOWLY AND F SMASH

[@stockicide]

"Wobbling is an integral part of Ice Climber strategy! Just don't get grabbed!" "Jigglypuff camping is unfair!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:("

[@su9cp]

stockicide haha jigglypuff goes sleep sleep

[@e7nn]

@@su9cp haha she shleeps

[@jupiter843]

@@su9cp no you cant do that im breaking my fingers to play this highly skilled character haha night night

[@guywhoplaysbass]

My opinion is we should at least give climbers a way to close out stocks when they lose the puff matchup regardless and get camped out

[@TheRedCap]

well... Puff's camping options are unbeatable by a wide margin. With Puff, all she needs to do is run away at any point in the match. With ICs, you need to get your opponent to %60 (which in of itself is a feat and a half considering how fucking hyperactive the top 3 are), and hit a grab, and make sure Nana is set up the right way. Wobbling is definitely lame, but Puff camping is definitely worse

[@BlackfeatherMain]

I'm certain Shroomed knew full well he was going to get rested as soon as he threw out that taunt and just timed it perfectly so everyone could see it while still winning

[@bert_wert]

1:58 marths grab range be like

[@tylerzelanick9283]

Gold

[@Aflay1]

7:48 Has to be the saddest moment in history. The two most hated characters in Melee, the most broken matchup, so broken that everyone stopped playing out of frustration. That’s not just insulting to the player. That’s insulting to the game.

[@benjaminratthe9904]

I just don't understand how someone can pick up Melee only to play IC's or Puff. Like go play Ultimate lmao

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@benjaminratthe9904 because they exist?

[@disgruntledcommenter]

@@freddiesimmons1394 Imagine playing high level melee only to play the shittiest and most boring characters

[@freddiesimmons1394]

@@disgruntledcommenter Imagine thinking that your subjective opinion is what matters

[@stardustspark5682]

@@disgruntledcommenter imagine playing high level melee and wanting to win 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@kingkrispy5289]

3:25 that’s a real epic gamer moment if I’ve seen one

[@smackedpickle]

The dweeb Weeb I don’t think Puff should have won that, his percent was still higher and the screen ended on Time! not Game! meaning that Doc was still in the match~

[@kingkrispy5289]

Joshua Bass hamburger oil

[@smackedpickle]

The dweeb Weeb couldn’t have said it better myself

[@cmattss4]

The puff didn’t win, shroomed did

[@kingkrispy5289]

Christopher Mattsson *that’s the joke dude*

[@MyKingdomforAdRevenue]

Puff vs Ice Climbers, the most concentrated levels of degeneracy available in any party game ever

[@leorousselet3135]

Ice climbers vs meta knight in brawl is at a high level too lmao

[@h3ck774]

Fuck iceclimbers puff is fun get rested loser

[@alexblackburn2247]

imagine going to ur first tournament with the dream that you might place semi decent, and then you place against mew2king in pools and get rekt by his pichu

[@arabmunny]

I love that shroomed is literally always fucking smiling

[@TheDestroyerComics]

The puff camp is always so hard to watch but it's NOTHING compared to the clown ass shit that was the Evo 2018 smash 4 finals

[@imperiallarch7610]

That Evo moment was hilarious though because the players were both in on it, Puff camping is just sad because in like half of her matchups there's literally nothing the other player can do.

[@uli_Gio]

Which one was that?

[@NatePhan]

@@uli_Gio Think he's talking about the Bayonetta ditto where two people, CaptainZack and Lima, both held B against each other in GF set 2 for an extended period of time and only stopped once asked to play the game by the TOs. It made the smash community look pretty bad in the eyes of their FGC counterparts.

[@uli_Gio]

@@NatePhan yikes

[@SharKing319]

Wobbling is anti-competitive bullshit, but you have to admit, that Chu moment at 4:36 was fucking hilarious.

[@sirtchamp8033]

Best part of the video

[@Super_Suchi]

Chu plays like a shitposter and it’s so funny

[@goldsocks9999]

I absolutely love disrespect clips. Basically the only reason why i play axl in strive

[@Ryusuta]

Faux's tag was "PLAY." Chango's like "Nope."

[@TheRedCap]

I can't wait for someone to bring out Kirby at a major tourney. Mark my fucking words its gonna happen.

[@whyisblue923taken]

I'm hoping the next Smash un-Nerfs him. He doesn't deserve this.

[@DuringDark]

@@whyisblue923taken for some reason I get the feeling that Smash Ultimate might be the last Smash

[@lightningmcqeenofficial2558]

2:11 Wow! Look at that Shine! Use Rust-eze! And you, too! You'll look like ME! KA-CHOW!!

[@peggy_book5710]

Thank you Lightning Mcqueen Official. You are my favorite car

[@SaviOnYoutube]

Thank you Lightning Mcqueen

[@brunkosproogle5046]

Wait I want more on this wobbling ban story what happened

[@AvgSundayDriver]

Battle of BC 3 implemented a no wobbling rule. Chango took advantage of that and used it to stall the IC'S out for a free win

[@Leto_0]

Ice climbers couldn't wobble. They said that would prevent people from camping (running away). Puff player took the lead and decided to camp anyway, waiting for the timer to go down and win by timer instead of actually playing the game. Ice climber guy gave up trying to chase him down and quit the match. Puff player wasted everyone's time by being incredibly lame. I'm not so familiar with tournament level play but if they didn't have timers this would be avoided.

[@brunkosproogle5046]

Why did the ICs player stop chasing? I know puff bair is tough to contest when they’re camping but it’s not impossible right? The puff player has no reason to approach.

[@Sami8s]

I’m sorry friend. But unless puff makes a rather large mistake Icies can’t reach Puff. Imagine Fox on the pokemon figurine map. You can’t realistically reach them.

[@brunkosproogle5046]

Sami8s dang that’s pretty grimy. They banned wobbling but camping with puff was allowed? Is wobbling allowed again or no?

[@isaaccooper862]

That up throw to forward air from Dr. Mario was kinda sick

[@HectorGonzalez-qx9nk]

When people complain about wobbling, I just say “Melee is a perfect game.”

[@grasshopperrin133]

Point being?

[@Rahnonymous]

@@grasshopperrin133 what does ice climbers have other than wobbling? Honestly without wobble, they are pretty garbo. And inb4 you ask, I'm a Roy main

[@christroyer69]

Dharc Daniel There grab game is spot on excluding wobbling. If it didn’t exist I’d say they’d still be somewhat viable.

[@CaptainRasco]

@@Rahnonymous handoffs/desync "I'm a roy main" aka "don't mind my opinion"

[@adamgrant6433]

3:15 y'all remember when krum caught the snitch but lost the game

[@lovemachine5151]

If you can't ice climb without wobble, maybe you shouldn't ice climb at all

[@awkwardcultism]

That's like saying "If you can't Puff without rest, maybe you shouldn't Puff at all."

[@peekatyou7315]

@@awkwardcultism this man chose to play Ice climbers in a tournament where wobbling was banned. That's no one's fault but his own LOL

[@mastershake1071]

@@awkwardcultism rest is move built in internationally to puff and is fairly hard to pull off of a good player. Wobbling is an unintended exploit that leads to loosing a stock for getting grabbed once, something that's not particularly hard to do. Shit comparison, shit comment, shit opinion.

[@eldenlean5221]

@@awkwardcultism exept wobble and rest are literally nothing alike...

[@palco2786]

@@awkwardcultism this makes absolutely no sense lol

[@amerikanskispy7842]

1:57 that was sick

[@aurahub84]

The thumbnail is perfect

[@voidhades4720]

I understand that ice climbers is incredibly cheese for wobbling, and most pros who mained them probably stuck as them for tournaments where they were banned just cause they had so much practice, but camping someone out for a whole game when you could’ve won without it is just crazy

[@ltcmdrtobyfox3969]

I mean, it's the ice climber player's fault too, he was sat there all the same

[@Philostipher]

Agreed. Cheesing a win is pathetic no matter how you do it.

[@ohno5507]

@@ltcmdrtobyfox3969 He sat there because he gave up trying to catch Jiggly. He wanted to play, and was trying to, but Jiggly was just using the higher mobility to just time him out, which is bullshit.

[@TechnicSky]

@@ohno5507 Git Gud moment. Not condoning the Jigglypuff cuz camping is camping and Jiggly should’ve turned on the aggression when having the stock lead and mental lead. Nonetheless, the Ice Climber player should tried to use his own good mobility to chase Puff down. Puff Ledge grabs? Good, win by planking Decision. Puff Keeps jumping in the air? Great, wait for the opportunity for the Puff to land or predict the landing to either grab ledge from her or launch an attack. The IC player had options and either didn’t go for them or at the very least, capitalize on the situation where the Puff wasn’t moving and made his own moves.

[@liberty2087]

"Smash 4 sucks cause people camped at an event" Melee: 8:18

[@xelectrix_1863]

The Bayonetta incident was in Grand Finals tho :/

[@BBGirlSamus]

@@xelectrix_1863 does it matter when it took place if its still a streamed match?

[@xelectrix_1863]

@@BBGirlSamus yeah because the melee clip in question was in pools. With people who have the possibility of being toxic. People can show up to your event and want to camp in order to win. The campers don't win big tho, however Smash 4 had 2 people in Grand Finals of probably the biggest Smash 4 event at the time. And BOTH player chose to camp

[@BBGirlSamus]

@@xelectrix_1863 the reason they did it was because they were heavily criticized for the character they played, not that their behavior was excusable, but they chose to stall not out of strategy but as a form of backlash to their haters.

[@xelectrix_1863]

@@BBGirlSamus I understand that but the initial statement only talked about the camping portion of the scenario. I'm just trying to make it as clear as possible that the scenario we see in the video is a much more toned down version of the Smash 4 incident. Tbh I just want everyone to get along in the community no matter the Smash game, but it's literally impossible.

[@jojicore4L]

Hell yea takes a lot of skill to wobble

[@bevvvy1374]

@Quest Tzecai 5head

[@stevieg4210]

"Wobbling"? More like "Handicap"

[@Jardonius]

It's such a love hate relationship for me. Some of the IC's that are pure wobblers have pretty good or even godlike defensive game, so *sometimes* it's really cool to see them outplay/outspace someone and get the finish... But like... Ugh it's dumb to watch while waiting for the next moment they "out play" their opponent. Whack-Whack, Whack-Whack, Whack-Whack. Shame that handoffs are not the meta, even if it's almost the exact same concept it's still way fucking cooler to watch.

[@bireon878]

@@Jardonius Yea thing is you can be good and play ICs but while you're wobbling you're doing something that requires much less skill than the reward you're given. Thus you're giving yourself a crutch and if you're a good player you shouldn't need or want that. I also disagree with the amount of advanced tech in the game though so i personally would just play Ultimate myself. But yea for Melee Wobbling should be banned every event. It's about time people realize the game isn't perfect and the community actually can help it get closer to being there rather then just put up with obvious bs that's needed to be addressed for decades.

[@VVheeli]

Stevie G I immediately thought of Nintendude as soon as I saw this. Am I a horrible person for thinking of him like that?

[@Saltyoven]

@@Jardonius I actually would be fine with wobbling if they instead did it in the handoff style because that at least looks cooler and has some skill to it.

[@Jpeg_skeleton]

I think we should give IC a "wobble limit" for each grab

[@jorgenbluered2151]

Nah. Still ban wobbling.

[@Ahakqnqkanjssnsh]

Jeremy Bluered ya

[@jorgenbluered2151]

@@Ahakqnqkanjssnsh ya man.

[@sharkbandanaz]

Naw fuck that ic are unviable without wobbling my dude. I think it’s not impossible to play around, or all the top players would be playing ic and getting wobbles, yet not a single ic player in the top ten should be okay to let it live

[@Finneagan]

@@sharkbandanaz ICs deserve to be unviable, wobbling is degenerate and they're otherwise inherently bad characters lmao.

[@sharkbandanaz]

TØM HΛTCHER I mean I don’t even really think they are that viable with wobbling anyways. I feel like the ics match up is about 70-60% mental, which I feel like makes the matches the best to watch. Good players who can read movement and predict the opponents approach options choose to play ics for the ultimate punish of a wobble. I think that’s pretty cool and I don’t believe it to be unhealthy. Just don’t get grabbed bro

[@yesno4628]

chudat dropping the wobble in the middle instantly made the other guy the dumb one

[@fauxvier8519]

Your thumbnails and editing are the best

[@ag64oragm56]

7:25 I Feel Like If Hungrybox Was In Dizz's Spot The Melee Community Would've Been Procieved Far Differently Than It Is Now. For One: A Hospital Patient

[@catman1900]

wow these videos are so funny! I can't believe nobody has found this channel!

[@genesisfgc]

Pretty sure this is the same person who had the channel AwsumSaus or something like that

[@Matt-dp7ze]

Emerald SSBU AsumSaus and these are all on here because his channel was no longer deemed elegible for monitization

[@Ausfaq]

these are reuploads bro

[@ctsr1117]

That last one triggered me.

[@boiboi7717]

Sometimes I don't even think Melee is a real fighting game oh wait

[@givecamichips]

As a wise commenter once said, ChuDat's intentionally dropped wobble was genius not just because of the extreme BM, but also because it takes away from the air of coolness from the person who puts down the controller early.

[@jsoholt11]

This is called revenge. Wobbling is just as boring.

[@Ryusuta]

Well said. Not so fun for the ICs when THEY don't get to play. XD

[@verde7595]

@Quest Tzecai Kill confirms off grabs do not exist with every character. The ones that do are extremely precise, and only work at certain windows. Ice Climbers press Z once when you're at 0 and you die. It's not anywhere in the realm of comparable to any other grab in the game. Anyone who says they're similar has no brain stem development.

[@randommexicandude3061]

I love when Jigglypuff players just stall, not sarcasm. It's so funny

[@indicasmok398]

6:28 laughing in pain

[@joeyday225]

mE nO hAvE wObBlY I nO pLaY

[@omarcasillas6188]

9:11 even hungrybox is against this lmao

[@JohnSmith-kr1cy]

the tweet was from HugS not hungrybox

[@teejaay7609]

Omar Casillas that ain’t hbox chief

[@shignificent]

The Faux x Chango match was so annoying to see Faux acting as if he was in the right. If you're down and YOU don't approach, then all booing is yours for the taking.

[@RumpIeForeskln]

If I was the puff player at the end I would have popped off so fucking hard just for laughs.

[@JustMike2132]

this video is nearly two years old but I feel this should be said. No matter the situation, coaching even though its against the rules, taunting, camping, stalling, it doesn't matter, a commentator should NEVER boo at the players in the game. I'm referring to 9:10

[@Barry-v3r]

They were literally both sitting not moving the characters. One gets up and quits before the game ends

[@thatoneguy9582]

I don’t know what was happening with the IC/Jigglypuff match but it looked so fucking bullshit I love it

[@toxic_shr00m]

Chango (puff) had a one stock lead on Faux. Wobbling (ice climber's best strategy by far) was banned in this tourney, something that basically made him vulnerable to everything, especially getting timed out. Puff is very good at avoiding conflict, so Chango made the executive decision to not actually play the game.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@toxic_shr00m Aren't there rules against stalling, though?

[@toxic_shr00m]

@@user-fe8gx3ie5v It's kind of a grey area, where he wasn't technically stalling, there was just literally nothing Faux could do to get to Chango. They might've analyzed it and stuff but I don't know.

[@user-fe8gx3ie5v]

@@toxic_shr00m If people keep pushing it, timidity will get banned, too, LOL.

[@kipitrash9403]

what’s funny is people used to get mad at ice climbers for camping, waiting for their opponent to approach, and then being able to punish players with just one grab (which would cost them their stock). And now people are feeling sympathetic for an ice climbers player because he got out camped? ironic

[@Blunechi]

Holy fuck that Luigi walk at 1:20 was so Bm

[@ctsr1117]

That last one was the most disrespectful moment,

[@Guillermo-bz5qp]

Can someone explain what happened in the match between ice climbers and jigglypuff?

[@hinkage]

Guillermo he played to win, smelly Melee manbabies seethe because they didn't just keep running at each other blindly

[@lovemachine5151]

@Hermaphrodeity tfw icies can't win without wobbling

[@BrickyRiver0712]

@Hermaphrodeity icies can still zero to death without wobbling. It's just the matchup is lame and chango is especially lame

[@polar-star64]

@@BrickyRiver0712 He has the stock lead, why would he go in? He has no reason to.

[@ArguablyTheWorst]

@@polar-star64 Exactly, the problem isn't the ice climbers, its Jigglypuff. Jigglys entire gameplan was to get stock lead and camp the match. Boring garbage gameplay thats not enjoyable to anyone other than the guy subjecting all of us to it.

[@lordzevallos]

COME ON ~fox voice~

[@berrysodaa]

Imagine losing 2 sets to ice climbers without them being able to wobble when your playing as jiggly puff..

[@lightbrand_]

*games

[@samskott2344]

The stunt Chango pulled is a contender for some of the weakest shit anyone has ever done in tournament.

[@Varg69420]

imagine wobbling and thinking you're good

[@Kurisu545]

Imagine camping with Jigglypuff and thinking you're good.

[@benjaminratthe9904]

@@Kurisu545 You really had to call our your younger self like that?

[@efnfen]

@@Kurisu545 well he did win so...

[@blitheringape5321]

in that m2k leffen match where the commentator says that both players are playing out of his mind I'm curious why he thinks Leffen missing every tech is particularly grand play

[@myboy_]

8:03 a stain on the jigglypuff nation

[@anotherdnb]

Frame-perfect disrespect

[@Sammy-tw6zv]

Lmao take wobbling away and the Icies suck so bad they dont even want to finish the match. But the JigglyPuff shouldve been the one to lose that one cuz how do you approach when your main cheese is gone.

[@VideoGamesRus100]

It's their fault for playing icies. While I am not a fan of this stupid camping gimmick, their grab cheese is a stupid gimmick to rely on for tournaments...

[@mccainjames116]

The Icies took it to a game 5 and it sounds like this was top 16 at the tournament? Obviously he's good enough with Icies to play without wobbling

[@VideoGamesRus100]

@@mccainjames116 right, but that's because the player has good fundamentals. If he played falco/marth/sheik at the same level, he'd easily taken that set. Icies without wobbling is like falco without a shine.

[@Coolbeans554]

speedguy20 falco’s shine can totally be chained by hitting only the B button over and over again to guarantee a kill on every character in the game

[@VideoGamesRus100]

@@Coolbeans554 Not if your opponent has good DI/SDI, not to mention at higher percents, shine-->shine-->fire fox won't combo, therefore taking a while to kill with purely shine, unlike how wobbling is a guaranteed kill.

[@Wingsaber]

"but dizz is a nice guy oh nooooo!"

[@Captain_Ista]

A caster should never boo a player.

[@teejaay7609]

True, regardless of wether they deserved it or not

[@ezhll116]

Yeah it is completely wrong

[@9forMortalMen]

That last game, like ice climbers are cancer but that was really lame.

[@tobiisbanned]

Why don't they make it you cant wobble for more than 5 seconds or something

[@Jpeg_skeleton]

Yeah that's good, reward ic for grab but not too much

[@susparia4724]

how do people not find chango timing out fauxhebro hype, bro literally forced a stalemate that's crazy

[@chosenundead7118]

Chango wasn’t camping ice climbers. Fauxhebro refused to approach even though the ball was in his court, as he was down a stock. It’s Fauxhebro’s fault.

[@trixssbm]

Did you watch the match faux did but chango was camping him

[@DaikoruArtwin]

Fox: *spams taunt* Me being used to Ultimate: Wow, taunts were so slow back then!

[@a2rhombus2]

To be fair to chango why tf would you still play ic if wobbling is banned

[@VideoGamesRus100]

@Quest Tzecai Or pick up Marth. He's pretty easy to use and relies on the player's fundamentals of the games.

[@insun4868]

@@VideoGamesRus100 Yeah you know just pick up marth and get top 16 at a major, pretty easy if you have 3 weeks. Done it 8 times in a row now.

[@frogchip6484]

WØRLD LOL, it’s so true “Just pick up Marth” 4Head

[@VideoGamesRus100]

@@frogchip6484 if you want to "git gud" consistently and quicker play Marth. But you have to realise at higher play, your character matters less than your actual fundamentals of fighting games and mu specific knowledge. It's why you can see m2k dumping on some kid with Pichu in pools without breaking a sweat, or how players such as Axe, Chudat, luigikid etc got super high in placing.

[@Whocares792]

Colbol's smile is great

[@broomguy7]

Chango was up in stocks and would win if there was a timeout, and it was advantageous to force Faux to approach rather than doing it himself. It's not poor sportsmanship, it's the right decision in the match. Faux was losing the game at that point - if he didn't commit to an attack then the timeout would make him lose. Instead of playing the game, he conceded in the most petulant way possible, because the tournament didn't allow wobbling. Wobbling is honestly the worst bullshit in Melee, and it's not like the tournament rules weren't clear about it beforehand - he had a damn shirt printed up about it. Faux was clearly in the wrong and wanted to bitch and moan to seem like a victim.

[@shayeslavinski9747]

When you play any game, you sign an unsaid contract that you will PLAY the game. Chango was a bitch here and broke that contract simply because he knew he could. Wobbling may suck, but at least it doesn't lead to people being this big of dickheads just to win.

[@superheriber27]

Except he took it to game 5 without wobbling, moron

[@stev_.]

I'd rather watch 3 hours of puff stalling than iceys do anything for 5 seconds

[@Greyhound33]

Lmfao at 2:30 mew2king be like: you’re leffen so I kno you gonna wave dash from ledge so ima sit here and bait you and I kno u gonna take the bait”

[@Aflay1]

When you have 3 stocks and you taunt final stock Ice Climber *I used the disrespect to destroy the disrespect.*

[@CrummyJoker]

I'm a smash noob and only started to play more a bit ago. Why is 1:45 --> disrespectful? The title of the video would lead one to believe that...

[@nomis2268]

Using marths neutral b to cover the ledgedash>shield option is a very hard read

[@CrummyJoker]

@@nomis2268 and that's disrespectful because...?

[@MegaMinecraftchaos]

Crummy Joker it’s incredibly risky and would’ve been an easy punish from Leffen, and no top player would take a risk that big at EVO unless they are just going for style points.

[@CrummyJoker]

@@MegaMinecraftchaos Still don't see how it's disrespectful, only a bit show-offy

[@bowlplatt]

Crummy Joker To add what filler1995 said, both players know that it’s a very unnecessary risk to use neutral b in that situation. By doing so, it warrants an air of disrespect, as it can be implied that M2K didn’t care for such a risk, and did it anyway. TL;DR - The lack of care for such a move can be extrapolated as disrespect.

[@graysonjenkins6977]

Love the look on the kid's face who got destroyed by m2k's Pichu

[@drewjensen2798]

And not one player had a shower that day.

[@pie6088]

amazing doc mario play

[@johnchumas7099]

I’m not even being sarcastic but what’s so wrong with what Chango did? The dude playing Icys didn’t bother approaching

[@nibba352]

That’s because it’s literally impossible for icies to approach puff. Like the video stated, the matchup was already hard enough with wobbling, imagine without.

[@verde7595]

Because people will look for any reason to dislike Jigglypuff. Ice Climbers player KNEW it was a bad matchup, and took it to game 5 anyway. Yet he decided to give up. Not Chango's fault for playing the matchup. It IS, however, Faux's fault for refusing to.

[@ArclightLuna]

verde ok so if you main IC’s then what then? You just accept the loss because you can’t “adapt?”

[@nibba352]

greatest bruh moment of all time

[@cham9480]

Litteral Trash Its his fault for solo maining a character with such strong matchup problems, it's why no one solo mains sheik, because a solo sheik has never won a big tournament

[@birthoftheblues1123]

I'm kind of confused as to why the last one the ice climbers didn't just fight when jigglypuff was just standing there

[@johnk2070]

because jiggly puff has insane air mobility and can easily camp out ics on top platform

[@esthersmith3056]

He'd been trying to fight Puff the entire time and getting nowhere because Puff can easily camp out ICs. If he'd started moving again, Puff would have had plenty of time to start moving too. There's a video on the history of this sort of "extreme" stalling, which covers this match among others, if you want more context kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGnPnYyKbLB6mqs

[@trixssbm]

He tried but puff has to good mobility she can just jump away the ic was trying to play but the puff just did thst

[@TheRedLeo]

It's almost 2020 and stalling and timeout is still legal...

[@throughwalking6736]

RedLeo ok and?

[@TheRedLeo]

@@throughwalking6736 and that's the reason why that lame moment at the tournament happened. What's your opinion, Mr naked krabs?

[@throughwalking6736]

RedLeo Theres 0 reason to ban stalling because it’s optimal

[@PippyToon]

It's almost 2020 and people willingly play Smash Bros. Melee: a 20+ year old game with obvious errors and exploits. The Game is slowly dying... Let it die.

[@tomaslozada9397]

@@throughwalking6736 yeah but it should be considered anti competitive behaviour. Nobody is having fun, not even the player stalling. It doesn't promote sportsmanship it's just boring an annoying to watch. The fact that it's in the game shouldn't make it okay at least when talking about competitive play (imo)

[@su9cp]

Scott the Woz got bodied here 4:08

[@UndertakerU2ber]

Seeing a one-trick pony IC player get stomped on in the end because their favorite exploit was banned is so satisfying. This IC clown sits there asking himself "How is this fair for me?", but he doesn't ever stop to think about the opponents he one-shotted in the past with wobbling who were asking themselves the same question while they were forced to watch their characters get hit for minutes on end without being able to escape.

[@superheriber27]

Bro, he took it to game 5 without wobbling, did you even pay attention? He was just tired of the Puff player being lame

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@superheriber27 “Derr derr derr Puff player was being lame!” No, Ice Climbers and wobbling is lame. Did you even pay attention to the prior parts of the video? Wobbling forces your opponent to sit there and stare at the screen just as the Puff player forced the IC player to sit there and stare at the screen while he plays keep away. TOO BAD! The Ice Climbers player lost because he couldn’t play anything else other than his niche, no-name, trash tier character and abuse his favorite glitch to get free wins. It’d be more honorable for him to play Fox than Ice Climbers. THAT’S how pathetic it is for someone to one trick Ice Climbers in Melee.

[@superheriber27]

​@@UndertakerU2ber In that specific tournament wobbling was banned, so it wasn't a factor, if other players in other tournaments used wobbling is a bit irrelevant to this match lol Not to mention this was game 5 in a top 16, your ass wouldn't make it that far with Fox, even less a "niche. no-name, trash tier character" without wobbling kek

[@efnfen]

@@superheriber27 if he's going to have crybaby tantrums and rage quit maybe he should switch to animal crossing or something

[@Epicgamer-eb7kk]

3:47 Precise Button Mashing, that is how you play Melee

[@umkirraqueen1192]

that jiggly vs ice climbers match is why the rest of the fgc treat yall smash players like a joke

[@sirxthethird7930]

If you play ice climbers, you deserve to get timed out