Want To Save Money? Switch To Linux!

For many of us, the main reason we choose to run Linux is because of "freedom." But I think we are the minority. I think most people choose Linux because it is "free" as in "free of charge."
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[@lambtron-69]

I live in third world country, can't afford a PC, I only use these low specs 6 years old laptop, and Linux run smoothly in it, thanks to all passionate Linux developers you make my computing experience smooth and better

[@georgechertkov4140]

not a developer myself, but you are welcome. linux helped me too utilizing my 10 yrs old laptop until i saved enough to buy a new one

[@liambond5653]

scemer

[@PixelBoar]

I live in a first world country where food prices have skyrocketed and the electricity bills are piling up and especially during winter times, which this year are going to break records for some. Also there is high unemployment. I also use old computers, we are in this together.

[@liambond5653]

@@PixelBoar tech support scemer

[@PixelBoar]

@@liambond5653 Weirdo.

[@SonderingGhost]

Special thanks to all the volunteers and developers working on and contributing to FOSS!

[@laletemanolete]

Running a 12 year old macbook pro, reused from an office that was throwing it away. Mint saved me money, and my job.

[@TarebossT]

Yeah, my laptop is 13 years old and runs Debian flawlessly. I'm typing from it right now.

[@ihategoogle-fr7zf]

13? hah that's nothing, my thinkpad's a legal adult

[@senritsujumpsuit6021]

pulling out a USB to anyone Laptop an just having my own OS is insane the times I booted into a Windows Machine an it was stuffed by the owners BS or had a 9 hour update aaaaaah

[@VladiFx]

jah! i have phenom 2 905e pc with debian. :D

[@ringo8410]

I'd say that "free as in beer" *is* a form of freedom. It's liberating you from being chained to a subscription service to a major corporation that you probably don't want and doesn't really do much for you except make your bank account lighter. I loathe the subscription model for modern software and it is one of the reasons why I love Linux so much. When I installed it, Mint never asked me to set up an account (other than root). It never asked me for my credit card number. That's the way computing SHOULD be.

[@Cyco_Nix]

I use it because I do love it and have been using it since the literal beginning of it. I donate way more to FOSS projects than I ever would spend on buying software or computers. But yes I see it. I work with a group taking older hardware loading it with Linux for families that lack the means to buy even a used computer.

[@infinitivez]

Did this for the local nursing homes in my hometown for almost a decade. Passed the mantel on a couple of years ago. We've made it to where each and every resident had a tablet capable of emailing their loved ones, and a computer room where they could voice chat and play games online with other residents. (chess, checkers, and an assortment of card games). If it wasn't for linux, I don't think this would have ever been possible. It really breathed new life into their old hardware and many of the donated systems.

[@Cyco_Nix]

@@infinitivez That's wonderful. I go through computers like crazy and started repurposing mine and my family's systems and donating those that need it. Then started working with friends and local companies to grow the effort. It has been rewarding in itself. Never thought about a nursing home, that is a great idea.

[@pauloleitao3960]

Hi everyone. I've been using Ubuntu on a Microsoft surface pro 5 for almost one year. And works better than before with windows 10. No more windows for me.

[@RAFI-fx6vx]

does everything work perfectly? i have been thinking of installing it, i also have a sf pro 5

[@tolgayenici]

I am so honest. The biggest reason I switched to Linux was that I was unemployed, my credit card was blocked by the bank, and where I live has a terrible local currency-USD ratio. I really cannot afford paying for OS and I don't like pirating. You cannot imagine how life-saver the GNU/Linux has been for me. I will never give up using Debian (What I am using right now). GNU/Linux is as super hero as Wolverine for me. Because it was with me and supported me when I was broken. Thus, Linux rules forever, for me.

[@UltraZelda64]

My current laptop is ten years old. It came with Windows 8 w/ downgrade rights to use Windows 7. Swapped the hard drive out for an SSD a few years ago and it still feels like new. It can technically "run" up to Windows 10, but that compatibility abruptly and arbitrarily ends with Windows 11 just because it does not have a TPM 2.0 module. But that's okay, because it runs Linux anyway, and I see no end in sight with its Linux compatibility.

[@micranes673]

That is one of the major factors for me. The windows path is one of constantly upgrading hardware and then third party software because they won't run on the new version of windows so then you have to upgrade. Just a constant flow of money going out. And I really hate this idea of constant upgrades. If a piece of software works, why do I need an upgrade? Why should I invest my valuable time to learn a whole new layout for new software to do the things I was already doing with unbloated software. I am loving linux.

[@glucid4222]

One extra reason why Linux freedom is good: it lets you learn more about what an operating system does than what Windows lets you learn. Zero cost was my first reason why I switched over, but then, as I started learning more about Linux, I also started to appreciate its true value even more. Oh, and one more thing: Linux isn't born out of a corporate and obscene pursuit of profit at any cost like Windows is. Instead, Linux is the altruistic product of countless of contributors who just want the best out of everyday computing and don't mind sharing that with everyone else. I'm immensely grateful to all of them.

[@ByTheRiverHelge]

It's like driving an old, worn car that keeps breaking down: you learn more about what a drivetrain is than what a reliable car lets you learn.

[@TheoWerewolf]

Most people do not want to learn about the OS. That's not why they buy a computer. It's to get work done using software running ON the computer.

[@glucid4222]

@@TheoWerewolf True, most people don't want to do that, but when the OS that you paid for as part of the whole hardware + software package breaks down, doesn't do what you want it to do, or worse still, doesn't let you get your work done, what do you do? You can either give up, try to tinker with it and try to make it work the way it's supposed to and expected to - by which stage you're left with no choice but to need to learn about the OS....or get another OS that let's you have full control over it, and lets you get your work done. Between forking out for something that still needs you to stick your hands in it, and getting one for free that still let's you do that, and more so, I know which one I'd rather go with in the end. Just like most PC users, I started with Windows as well, but when the hardware lasts longer that the Windows version that came with it, and the next Windows version wasn't allowed to replace it on the same PC, I had no choice but to use an OS that came for free, worked better than Windows, and finally let me own my own damned PC. When something doesn't have a price tag, it means that it earns its value by other means.

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Untrue: time is money. And learning to use Linux doesn't take a measly 4 hours. I have to tinker for weeks with weak documentation to learn to make Linux to do anything for me. This is the real problem of the Linux community. Make it accessible, and nobody will use Windows anymore.

[@edmundob.guevarra9565]

Maybe if you're using something like Arch or Gentoo. Been using Ubuntu since 2014 and I've never had any major issues.

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

Sorry you had a bad experience. You need to look at Linux as something new and different, not a version of Windows. You are used to Windows and see it as the de-facto way how things should work. Linux is different and in many ways better. It can be difficult to get work done at first because you 'know' how to do it but it fails on Linux. I solved that by forgetting everything I knew in Windows and stated from scratch and let logic guide me. I kept notes on everything I did. The smallest problem got written down. A few years later and I hardly ever use my notes. There is plenty help out there, some good and some that just leaves you hanging. You need to be prepared to look for solutions in many places. Once you find the answer, write it down. It takes effort to change and make your computer safe. Every minute you spend doing that will be time saved in the future. Tone down your expectations. Realize you know nothing and be prepared to learn from the ground up. It will get easier and better quickly. Things that stumped me seem obvious now. When Windows spyware goes full online and people get hacked and lose $$$ you will be happy you endured a few weeks of hair pulling to learn to regain control of your machine. Good luck.

[@karstentopp]

Indeed. Learning something is really expensive. Think of University fees. They charge you thousands for every year, some even tens of thousands. So one has to expect, that you have to pay for software to learn to use it. If I use Linux, I don't have to pay for the tool, if I use Windows or MacOS, I have to pay. And, let's not forget, using MacOS or Windows, I won't have to learn anything and whatever I need to learn.... wait. What?

[@cinccave5459]

I switched from Windows 10 to Linux Mint because I was becoming unhappy with the extreme bloat of Windows but what pushed me over the line was when my computer could not upgrade to 11. That Linux Mint has been trouble free in the 90 days since I've upgraded has been a bonus.

[@Modifiedfs]

Not being able to use windows 11 should be considered a blessing

[@huljaxful]

Although linux and it's ecosystem is free as in freedom as well as is no cost, it's a good idea to remind people if they like the software and use it daily, they can donate a bit to the project. I kind of forgot about that and donated to the projects i use and love.

[@Cyco_Nix]

I always tell people that there are many ways to help with the projects they love, even if they are not a developer themselves. Donating, documentation, or even just helping others that need help with using it.

[@ramirroxd6986]

Obviously only the people that can more than just afford to live their lives can obviously donate to linux , many cannot , plus If I really want to donate money , I'd rather donate it to poor children in Africa than some sophisticated software Engineer that probably has a day job , they choose to make it free , they're not entitled to anyone's donations .

[@busybaci]

Eff donations. Why should I donate to someone who makes something I have no say in it? I'd rather prefer to buy it in that case because I know what I'm getting, a finished software product. With FOSS you have no say in it and the project is just a money pit so the devs could have a paycheck for some years to come and the project never ends. FOSS is just a promise, just like Fund Me Early Access games like Starcitizen that has been in development for years now. Eff that noise.

[@Cyco_Nix]

@@ramirroxd6986 Of course, not every one can donate in money and are entitled to do with their money as they see fit if they do. Now, to your snide remark to donating to developers, keep in mind that one they are providing the ability for the destitute to have access to computers and learning. Many developers are destitute themselves, I have supported a few that work on FOSS while on their 15-year-old systems that they got out of the trash. I appreciate your desire to focus on a certainly worthy target, but that is not the only thing out there that is not only the worthwhile endeavor. There is no need to downplay how others donate to an ecosystem that helps the entire world and has proven to help the poorest among us.

[@Snorlaxiian]

I have never really cared for laptops but I have gotten back into the laptop life for portability and to have more than just a desktop. And my laptop happens to be new enough that it supports windows 11. I tried windows 11 for under an hour and went back to my OS of choice for laptops, Linux Mint.

[@D.von.N]

Some new update of Win11 24H2 is having BSOD issue these days. Oh my! 😂

[@GG22n]

Why did you downgrade your OS?

[@GG22n]

​@@D.von.N Yeah because people with no clue trying to force update instead of waiting for official rollout

[@kukla-mukla6000]

@@D.von.N Not new, it's always been like that since win 10. They opted out of tests and adopted BSOD > everything way of solving conflicts. Can't say linux does things better since while you get sort of a more clear error message - you are still required to check and learn lots of stuff to fix it. As for stability of LTS - not much stable really. POP OS LTS - kernel update incomming!!! Nope, you no longer can use your wify.. ...and bluetooth too. Backward compatibility ? Never heard of it.

[@D.von.N]

@@kukla-mukla6000 Since I am not an IT, I go with stable distros like Debian. Haven't had an issue yet, on LMDE, which comes ready to work out of the box after a few simple initial set ups (turning on firewall and timeshift). I created clones of the entire hdds in my machines, so it shouldn't need a rocket scientist to restore if something went terribly wrong. Linux has limitations, certainly, but for a general use of computer like the vast majority of the population use it, it is more than sufficient. And faster, more responsive, less surveillance and bloatware. It was exactly the issues I got with Win10 earlier this year that I had to learn more, even extend the recovery partition for Win10 to be able to do certain updates, and I said to myself, if I need to do stuff in cmd and powershell in Windows, I can as well try Linux and terminal. And I must say that I love the terminal, me, a naive PC user. Since this issue earlier this year I have learned more than I ever dreamed of, and I am still a novice.

[@MaxxxJoker]

I donate, of course I want to support Linux! With Linux I have a hell of a lot of privacy, etc. Another thing. When people buy a Windows (they have to pay) they don't havn any kind of privacy... Windows stays so popular, of course almost all people want to play games.

[@GG22n]

Everyone uses Windows and most of them don't even care about privacy at all. I think Privacy isn't a big deal

[@cr4p0tt3]

Yep, in my case, it helped saving a perfectly functional Mac Pro 5,1 with dual Xeons, which now sits and runs quite happily at my desk. Still beats me how Apple dropped support so quickly for these perfectly capable machines, but hey, for us who don't give a damn about running macOS, there's a whole lotta life left in them.

[@holymegadave]

Ahh Linux gaming is finally i thing i can enjoy. I built a second gaming rig that only runs Linux. Running all kinds of games brings me so much joy. That was the thing that kept me returning to Windows. Not anymore.. just on time.. Windows 10 will be my last Microsoft Operating system.

[@chris122380]

I purchased a refurbished ThinkPad 2020 or 2019 model. The reason for it being refurbished is likely because it could not run Windows 11. I purchased it for under $300 and have been running Linux on it with no problems whatsoever. There are some easy file conversions tools that I use that aren't nearly as easy to do in Windows. I like that the operating system is mine and the way I like it and not the way somebody else thinks it should be.

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

If you put the same amount of time debloating windows as for tweaking linux you in fact can run Windows 10 on a 12 years old PC. And it runs just fine even with HDD.

[@gregcampwriter]

I'd been using GIMP, LibreOffice, and VLC long before switching to Linux both because those work better than the Microsoft alternatives, but also because Microsoft and Adobe adopted a subscription model, rather than a one-time sale of the software. The move to a Linux distro fitted right in with both of those motivations.

[@TheUnicleo]

On a 15 year-old Laptop, Windows cannot use the Bluetooth, touchpad scrolling, SD card reader, synch time, Brave browser...but they all work property like a rabbit in Linux.👍

[@salazar1554]

What desktop/WM are you using? I'm wondering because I've tried using desktops outside of the "heavyweights" (GNOME, KDE etc) for increased battery and it always seems a bit too annoying/disconnected. I'm wondering if those are light enough for you to run or do you use something else?

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

obligatory obnoxious coment saying "its free as long as you dont count the time learning it" lol im a linux lover btw, and when we say free, behind the scenes the projects have many sponsors and donations, important to remind users about it

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

People seem to forget that they didn't emerge into this world knowing how to use a Windows PC either - at some point at school, at home, at their place of work or in a training course, they had to put in time and effort into learning Windows too. They just "conveniently forget" that they had to do that.

[@tobeqz7065]

​@@terrydaktyllus1320I don't think most people forget, they just don't want to do it again

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@tobeqz7065 Then that is their loss. I have no sympathy for laziness.

[@GG22n]

​@@terrydaktyllus1320 Well it's not laziness, Windows works for most of the time just fine and most issues with Windows are easily fixable. It's much better than switching and learning Entirely new OS.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@GG22n I don't believe handing over all my personal data to Microsoft is "better" - I think anyone that does that just because they can play a few rubbish AAA computer games needs to get therapy. Why are you here in a Linux group if you are such a Windows fanboy anyway?

[@maartenc6099]

Updates on Mac are free. They don't cost money. But after a few years apple just decide to not support your hardware anymore. And then the update cost you a new computer.

[@jiddick]

@@maartenc6099 not to to mention when a tiny capacitor or, heaven forbid, the soldered-on nand sdd burns out after a year or two. Impossible to repair, bye bye Mac; hello 2k paperweight.

[@yuvvrajkperson]

honestly my opinion is if you're coming to linux because it has no cost, and you are a technologically inclined person, it is honestly better to pirate windows and all necessary softwares. Its literally a few commands and clicks for windows and other software isn't too hard. If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing

[@busybaci]

That's exactly what people with working brain cells have been doing in Eastern EU, Russia and much of Asia. We use pirated Windows because it works not like that free shite of Linux that no one can use it for anything. We just buy the hardware and that's it.

[@moetocafe]

The biggest selling point of Linux nowadays is personal privacy and the escape from Big Tech's surveillance (the Matrix). I've switched relatively recently from Win to Linux, and at that time I was fed up with Windows, it was crashing, making the PC worse and worse. On top of that Win10 was approaching EOL and Win11 required me to buy new hardware, so I can help Microsoft spy on me better. wtf?! So, at that point I've already decided to abandon ship, but the thing is - I thought my PC has some hardware issue(s), so I was ready to buy new PC for the Linux. First I just installed Linux to test it on the old PC (but still thinking I'd need to upgrade) - and guess what - zero crashes since I moved to Linux and up to this day. Working fine and now I don't feel the rush to upgrade at this point. I will have to - maybe in 1-2 yrs. But Linux works just fine on my current 10+ yrs PC.

[@GG22n]

Yeah the biggest selling point for Linux is PRIVACY. 70% of users don't care about that. No wonder no one uses Linux

[@locatemarbles]

The vast majority of people don't have money but they have time, so spending some to learn linux isn't as devastating. Secondly after spending the time learning the linux way you become very productive, as you end up automating everything, saving you time in the future.

[@official.sirhaxalot]

My main rig is a 15 year old dual core .. ssd and 8 gigs ram is fine ..more stable than my mac too

[@D.von.N]

I also need to correct you: Windoze does upgrade compatible OS free of charge too. My Win10 PC is compatible with Win11 and it has been offering me free upgrade repeatedly. No charge for it. On the side note: since I installed free Win11 iso on a usb as an OS I have been using it for a while, I have not been asked for a license key once. Whether it recognises that this laptop came with a Win11 originally, I don't know, it has LMDE installed on nvme. Maybe since the main income for Windoze comes from subscriptions, they aren't as heavy on OS license? I don't know. Another note: unless there is a widespread sale of new computers with Linux preinstalled, you cannot avoid paying for Windoze or Mac. It is included in the price. You paid for it when you got your machine for the first time.

[@penguin2137]

afaik you have an OEM license, which means the Windows license is tied to the device

[@D.von.N]

@@penguin2137 hm... if I understand it right, if I bought Mac, and installed Windows on it, then it would ask for a licence? Why did previously Windows demand licence key on computers?

[@Lucas-yh5zz]

​@@D.von.N yeah if you brought a mac and wanted to install windows you'd have to pay for it (also it may not even work because of the new cpu architecture they use for newer macs). Almost all big computer manufacturers buy thousands of windows licenses and preinstall it on their computers because it's more attractive for the average consumer, this has been common practice for decades but it's not really required, specially for smaller companies, so it's possible that you brought a computer without a windows license at some point

[@aintnochange]

​@@penguin2137well, there's also a license that is linked to ms account that is not tied to a device's hardware. It's also pretty expensive

[@D.von.N]

@@Lucas-yh5zz OK so from my understanding, you can run any licenseless installation of Windows on any computer that came originally with Windows? Sounds quite convenient.

[@akosmarton8339]

I got a MacBook Pro (2009) which runs MX Linux without any issue. :)

[@kukla-mukla6000]

Time is money, linux requires frequent time investments to solve uncommon problems, so not really.

[@Seofthwa]

For me it is privacy, security and cost. The only cost to Linux for me is that you have to take some time and learn new things. MS and other vendors are looking to squeeze every penny out of their users.

[@emem666]

I think you should stop talking about Windows because... 2024 - 15 = 2009. According to Wiki Windows 7 was released in October. I'm sure all normal PCs and even most netbooks made 15 years ago could run Windows 7. They would struggle with newer Windows but it would be the same if you tried to load KDE or Gnome desktop distro on the same hardware. You didn't even notice that Windows user got free upgrade to 10 and 11.

[@danielescada6785]

True! Also, these days software doesn't seem to be truly yours even when you have payed loads of money and monthly fees for it, making FOSS more important than ever. I'd much rather have a FOSS alternative that I can ALWAYS rely on than a corporation-backed closed software that ceases to work as soon as I can't pay for it anymore.

[@MyszkaAgresorka]

3:22 - Windows 7 is already 15 years old, no problem running it on a 15-year-old computer...

[@breadone_]

what are you _doing_ on a 10, 15 year old computer though? i run linux even though i have a very high end system, because my work still needs that raw compute power. even if i was on windows with this hardware, switching to linux won't mean i can switch to a 2005 thinkpad and run everything at the same capacity

[@illumicoder]

I always used to hear it as "free as in speech" vs. "free as in beer."

[@DxBlack]

Once someone gives you beer: it's yours to drink or spill or vomit or turn into bread...they can't un-drink or un-spill or un-vomit the beer, and they most likely wouldn't try to take beer away from you if they're giving it to you for free.

[@marco31]

It's free as in freedom.

[@EZBlast]

Running Zorin Pro Regular on a 15 year old Del 17' notebook - now running 2 2TB ssds, 16gb ram, 4 core i7 - chugs right along - I use it for my lab - it dual-boots into Zorin and KDE Neon. May try another ARCH distro, but they can be fragile and have broken just from updates -lol

[@davewagler1092]

Yep. It's been more than 15 years since I paid for any piece of software. I also have a 22 year-old laptop running Void. (although it is no longer my daily driver).

[@Omar-Asim]

It may save money, but won't save your time

[@jedipadawan7023]

Yes it will and yes it does.

[@mr_hardy5329]

I have old potato PC and i don't have money to buy new. That's why i use Linux.

[@Evan-rd2rx]

Hey dude, do you actually have a finances-focused channel? I'm interested but couldn't find it.

[@someguy4849]

I resurrected an old Dell laptop with a core duo and 4 gigs of ram with pop os.

[@Basserino84]

Want Windows for free? Sign up for a class at a community College! Your student emails give you a Windows 10 Education (before that was 8.1 Embedded Industry Pro) or Server licenses! With that out of the way, I went to Linux because I wanted to learn something new and I was sick of seeing my 10 year old setup having its CPU resources wrapped up in all sorts of Windows processes that don't even have relevance to you playing a game (for example)! The one thing you don't learn about with Windows Vs Linux is how all the ways we "cheap out" on builds causes ACPI firmware issues (our "boards") related to the kernel! I like the different (and free) variety of software available for Linux! But being cheap wasn't the only reason I did it! It's that the equipment serves me well and Linux facilitates that!

[@AZbyNite]

1:30 starts flaming most his viewers. Wild.

[@DomMcD]

Great video. It is important to note, however, that Libre Office, Gimp, etc are all available on Windows as well. The reason they're so popular on Linux in particular is that we have no choice but to use them, since Word, Photoshop, etc won't run.

[@itsdokko2990]

obligatory need to mention that ONLYOFFICE exists, and, as a mainly MS Office user, it has saved me during my time at uni, works just like MSO and uses it's formats perfectly, unlike LibreOffice

[@kensmith5694]

Yes, and if you want to feel like you paid for it, you can help with development. This can be something as low tech as getting the latest copy of a given program and trying to "break" it by doing weird things that the authors never thought of. If you can document a bug and explain how to recreate it in a few steps, you have a way to help. You can read through the lists of existing bugs and then add any new ones is you find them.

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

Actively looking to buy a fully AMD powered laptop to put Linux on it

[@jiddick]

Go framework. I just got a 13” and I am blown away by its high quality. And every time I look at it I know I can so easily repair anything on it. I feel like that is the laptop that will die with me, and not before me.

[@nsawatchlistbait289]

@@jiddick yes I want it too

[@tonyshaw13]

my current of Kubuntu pc is 15 years old, I also like the fact that I can use older hardware that does not work on windows 10 let alone 11

[@JMBalaguer]

A perfect example: I have the Microsoft Lifecam-VX-1000 (an old webcam from Microsoft itself!) that stopped working after I upgraded to Windows 10. But it works flawlessly in Linux!!! The Microsoft “solution” is to buy a new webcam…

[@robotron1236]

I use a 13 year old thinkpad and a MacBook 2012. 😂 The work perfectly! I use Arch and Manjaro with KDE Plasma, but recently switched to i3 because I liked it, not because KDE was too resource hungry or anything like that.

[@TheoWerewolf]

Sorry - utter BS. I have Win 10 running on a ThinkPad 240 - from 2003. On a Toshiba SV700 from 2007. On a Samsung Q1 UMPC from 2007. Maybe YOU can't get it to work, but that doesn't mean it's not possible (or even difficult). Maybe you're not quite as clever or tech savvy as you think you are. Your point is valid for Win 11 and guess what? Win 11 has the worst adoption rate of any Windows since Vista exactly because Microsoft decided to put an arbitrary CPU level support on it. But more to the point, so what? Look, if you want to live in a museum and tinker with 20+ year old PCs - cool, have fun... but that's hardly a selling point to most people who just go buy a fricking new computer because they don't want to screw around with a hundred distros, desktops, filesystems etc - they buy a computer to get work done with software they know on a platform that runs it. They literally don't care what that is (ok, except Mac fans, but they can be... shall we say.. special?) Don't think so? Well chew on this: Windows is 68% of all desktop computers, macOS is 21%, fricking ChromeOS is 4% and Linux is a whopping 3%. And Macs are renowned for being expensive - doesn't seem to stop people buying them. Windows runs on $200 laptops. That's cheap enough for most people. It's NOT about cost for the vast majority of people. Clearly the things you see as problems with Windows and macOS - the people buying computers and using them do NOT see as problems. Even on platforms that are arguably Linux based like Android and ChromeOS - people are not buying those devices to run Linux. Like BSD Unix on macOS - it's the underlying system that most users never see or care about. At some point Linux fans will get over this superiority complex induced resentment and learn WHY people aren't going with Linux - it's all about the workflow. Linux workflows are just awful and feel like they were designed by people with literally zero training in UI/UX design. Gimp may be technically more powerful than Photoshop, but if your workflows are Photoshop centric (and most are), then Gimp is a nightmare of inconsistant and bad UI design. Inkscape is even worse. (Although I will grant you Win 11 is almost as bad. Almost... but at least the apps are well written.) Until then, enjoy being #4 behind *ChromeOS*. *snicker*

[@JohnCrawford1979]

Watching this on a 10 yr old HP laptop while updating DTOS on it. 😉👍

[@cantrememberusername]

Remember to donate to the projects you love and use, they free but theres a tram behind it, guys ❤

[@barrycheesemore2928]

Until recently I was running Linux (and sadly Windows) on a HP Z620 Workstation (2012 vintage) that I got as a used bargain last year, and to be honest they both ran fine. I was a Mac user in the past, and the OS updates were changed to 'free', just as long as your hardware was still supported by the new version, although forced obsolescence was not and still is not something that I'm happy about, although I do understand why to a point. Personally I use Linux because it does what I want when I want it to, without worrying about being spied on or having data on my PC sold by Microsoft or whoever, just because I have their OS or software. I do still have 2 dual-boot PC's, but they won't be dual-boot for much longer, I just need to finalise a few things then I'll get rid of Windows for good!!

[@nathsabari97]

having it free and open source learning about is all cool, but i just want my software, games and devices to work so i am using windows? windows just works.

[@albertwolf9544]

I only watched the first 3:29. I'm going to label you as a Disciple of Linux because I think you believe what you are saying. The first laptop I bought is 15 years old and it shipped with Windows 7. That laptop is currently running Debian. You should include Vista with 7, so the modern OS that you say can't run on 15-year-old hardware is about 17 years old. Windows 10 isn't all that modern either.

[@catwhisperer911]

Many open source software that run on linux is also available for Mac OS.

[@thalateye]

I truly don't mind paying for software as long as I get to keep and own it, I'm on Linux because of the open source aspect... Once you realize that our entire modern world DEPENDS on digital infrastructure you realize your entire digital existence is in the hands of proprietary file systems. I simply can not allow such a thing. I distance my self as much as possible form proprietary formats and from software which is SaaS based. I much rather have drives formatted to either EXT4 or BTRFS than APFS or NTFS because I know I will always have access. It takes just a single stick drive with which ever flavor of Linux downloaded from anywhere on the planet with no extra steps. Meanwhile accessing APFS or NTFS requires much more than just a USB stick drive with an OS.

[@Lon1001]

I have a 15 year old laptop that runs windows 10 just fine. But I never boot into windows on it anymore, just run Fedora on it for general use on it.

[@svd348]

I doubt that it's as much as you think but that doesn't mean this isn't important. You could just keep reusing your student edition of Photoshop from 20 years ago. You could still be using Win 10 on a 14 year old PC or a 12 year old laptop with 4 Gigs of Ram. (Or win 7 behind a firewall). Instead, Linux allowed you to compute and do things as if you were spending thousands. It's allowed you to appreciate your hardware and software more and it's given you a hobby that's mostly free and opened your world up. You live a much richer life than if you didn't. Now ask a Linux Thinkpad Enthusiast if they have saved money. They might be buying former $3500 systems for $75 on Ebay, but they likely already have a functional computer. You could save money by working on your car as a hobby. But likely you'll spend more in some cases because you'll do more work on your car than you need and you'll want a car you enjoy working on. TLDR; I'm making a stupid distinction that doesn't need to be made. Linux is still great and yes, there is a great satisfaction to reviving E-waste and putting it to some use when a fresh copy of a light distro.

[@user-n9u3s]

just a question? where are you from? english is not my native language and i find your accent quite different in a good way

[@77seban]

Sometimes is nice to support developers that software you use. Not much $5 -10 🙂

[@KrishnaDraws]

It saves money, but but it costs time, which is money... (I struggled to get a Bluetooth Logitech MX Master 3S to work in Linux. Googled for solutions. Nothing worked.) Meanwhile, it was plug-and-play on Windows and Mac.

[@KoopstaKlicca]

I get what you're saying, but ideally you should be able to donate towards projects that you use and care about. I set aside four times the money I would probably use to buy windows

[@mikecantwell77]

I don't think paying for Windows upgrades has really been a thing for close to 10 years. They'd been doing upgrades from 7 onwards for free. Perhaps there was end dates on that but think for most people on Windows it's not really been a cost and, as I understand it, MacOS is also free if you're prepared to pay the price for their hardware. That being said, paying for Windows upgrades was what made me jump ship and by the time it got round to XP I was sick and tired of it and went to Linux rather than have to pay to continue you use my perfectly fine hardware, as well as the prospect of having to suffer the indignity to the "Tomy My First Computer" asthetics. And thank god I did because I fully avoided the car crash that was Windows 8. But, yes, I do agree "This will save you considerable money". And it's not just about being cheap (and if it was, who cares?) because, certainly with me it was that I wanted the freedom to continue to use hardware I'd paid good money for and knew still had a good amount of life left in it. How many perfectly good, relatively recent, computers will unnecessarily become e-waste when because Microsoft delivers a message saying the machine won't support Windows 11? Freedom from artificial obselecence is a worthy freedom as well as saving money!

[@TecheiMouse]

I use my 11 year old laptop as daily driver with my own custom Arch based Distro(hyprland btw) runs smooth af works fine for my usecase. linux works faster than windows, works much better, great for my coding usecase, can game on it perfectly fine(not todays AAA) but any 4 year old or older game works fine, web browsing fine, coding fine, little gaming fine, I want nothing else from such old hardware paying off with linux

[@georgeunknown2833]

by the way ... I use Arch

[@who432]

I just want a desktop FREE of Microsoft ads

[@GG22n]

There's no ads.

[@alfkh]

my personal opinion, so don't kill me 4 this, is being open source, ie source can b freely viewed & modified by anyone has the added benefit that ppl are free to collaborate to improve the code. This is the spirit of the 4 essential freedoms. Being "free of cost" is a "by-the-way benefit." Those of us who use the software free of cost can treat it as our payment in kind for using, testing & documenting watt ever quirks are in the software to improve future versions of it. i think thats more effective being the case that testors are the 1s that have a real world use case

[@Goodluckhavefun-ds4xd]

Link to the finance channel?

[@MrSuvvri]

3:40 i might be nitpicking but I never paid for an upgrade of my windows since the initial license i bought for w7. I've had a w8 and w10 since then and they all ran on the same key/license I had for w7.

[@Hexagon666]

Yes but what you save in money, you pay with your nerves.

[@YrmiZ]

Not to forget that Linux is fun to use!

[@D.von.N]

Just to say a lot of free software runs on Windoze, too. But yeah, a new Linuxer here and exactly for the corporate redundancy of millions still good to go machines, I decided to give Linux a go. And paradoxically, I started with it on a 2 or 3 year old Win11 laptop I bought second hand, for maybe third or quarter of the price of a new one. So I have the best of both worlds now, when the need comes. Win11 on a usb, Linux on nvme and another Linux on exVista laptop I myself refurbished and tried several distros, 32 and 64 bit, settling on Wilma. Microsoft has ditched that machine long ago, not sure it would run Win7 evven. But with Wilma it is a perfect machine, still with a dvd mechanics! It even burned its own Wilma installation dvd, as it won't boot from a usb, that old it is! Bios only recognises up to 3GB RAM.

[@infinitivez]

"Not going to get free upgrades on Windows or Mac" I don't know about Mac, but ever since Windows 10, the upgrade to 11 was free. Every security and system upgrade so far has been free. The initial cost however, is a bummer. Esp if you're buying Pro for some reason, as all the tools that come with Pro, you can download free of charge or there's better software alternatives. If we're solely going by the video title, this feels kind of a nothing burger when it comes to the OS itself, considering Microsoft does free updates, and most new system come with windows pre-installed, and many manufacturers don't have an opt-out during purchase. But dang, if you don't save money on quality software you'd otherwise pay a fortune for on MS.

[@ghost-user559]

Mac has had free updates for over a decade now.

[@infinitivez]

@@ghost-user559 I kinda figured, but wasn't absolutely sure. So we're really only talking about savings on software. Even Microsoft allows you to download their ISO freely, install and run it, without registering it (for a limited time that's easily bypassable)

[@ghost-user559]

@@infinitivez Even then it’s a non issue. Pages, Numbers, Keynote are the equivalent of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, all free, and then iMovie and GarageBand. Also free. Many hit songs have been made just using GarageBand, and you could easily edit a movie or run a KZbin channel with iMovie. Notes is free and equivalent to Onenote, also free. Really the only cost is the hardware and anything additional that a person needs specific to their work or art. I think Windows charges now just to use the word processor lol, so it’s mostly a Windows argument at that point.

[@ghost-user559]

@@infinitivez Yeah even then software is not the issue. Pages, Numbers, Keynote are the equivalent of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint, all free, and then iMovie and GarageBand. Also free. Many hit songs have been made just using GarageBand, and you could easily edit a movie or run a KZbin channel with iMovie. Notes is equivalent to Onenote, also free. Really the only cost is the hardware and anything additional that a person needs specific to their work or art.

[@davebirch2543]

I've dabbled with one linux os or another for years but the driving force for me to make a permanent move away from windows is my passionate dislike of microsoft making increasingly desperate grabs for our personal information and advertising inside a system that they charge us for. I don''t have W11 on any of my devices yet and don't intend to ever.

[@abdul4515]

Main thing that sucks about Linux is that it doesn’t work for every niche use case that you might have for it. For example, DaVinci resolve is horrible on Linux and you have to use distro box to get it to work and even then it breaks sometimes. And if you’re like me and you’re running a gaming channel, you pretty much have to use either premiere pro or DaVinci resolve because the timeline really gets busy with those kinds of videos and Kdenlive just can’t handle it. And not to mention how many games don’t run on Linux. I play Siege and Apex Legends and neither of those games run on Linux. And recently GTAV dropped Linux support for no reason whatsoever. I run Gentoo on my laptop, but my desktop will remain on windows until these problems get fixed.

[@jedipadawan7023]

It's true that Linux has problem with the 'edge' cases and not being able to run Adobe is a major drag. If you have ot run Adobe products Linux is out of the question. But it's a bit of a numbers game. More software will be ported over when Linux hits a certain market share - between 10 and 15%. Yeah, a long way to go but Linux share is increasing and people cannot afford all new hardware all the time. The more people who do NOT have weird/edge cases, the "I use Google" users switch over the more Linux market share will increase. The edge cases will never be resolved until more people switch.

[@abdul4515]

@@jedipadawan7023 True, but there are people whose livelihoods depend on software that is only available on windows. I feel like the only way to get them to switch is to provide FOSS alternatives that are at least just as good as the proprietary stuff, even for niche use cases. But that’s easier said than done. All the FOSS alternatives for photoshop/premiere pro are like 5 years behind or more.

[@nateanth]

You’ve probably answered this in a previous video, but what window manager do you run?

[@kyle9777]

Installed Zorin os linux on an Imac 2011 it runs excellent and stable

[@yunanux-xh6zs]

Zorin is a great os!

[@ettoreatalan8303]

You can save even more money if you ride a bike instead of a car.😁

[@catwhisperer911]

Mac OS upgrades and updates are always free too.

[@ghost-user559]

Not only that but Pages, Notes, Number, Keynote, iMovie, and GarageBand.

[@linuxrant]

I'll be honest I came to Linux for the Free Beer, but I stayed for the Free Beer... AAAAAAAAAAnd the Freedom ;)

[@linuxrant]

ok jokes aside, I understood the power of the penguin after I switched. I didn't know what I was missing until I tasted the freedom. People are drowning in waterfall of abuse with other systems. Being forced to buy stuff, to watch stuff to listen to stuff, to do things in a certain way... a fish does not see the water in which it is swimming.

[@robbrigham1125]

My elderly neighbor had an old pc. It stopped working. I checked it out. The hard drive was bad, windows would not install. 🤔 how about Linux? Apparently, a bad drive might run Linux fine. It worked for 5 years I know. She moved. Capitalism is evil! Windows didn't work because “they” wanted her to buy a new computer.

[@LocovsworldNL]

yes this is the way.

[@7orres]

i thought apple stopped charging for os updates a few years back

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

So your belief is that none of the cost of any Apple device that you buy goes towards the development of the OS running on that device?

[@DxBlack]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 He's talking about on the device he currently still has...HE'S not talking about the profits from the sales of hardware being used for software development...😑

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@DxBlack If that is your interpretation of what he's saying, then so be it - but I think you're wrong and you're just being an Apple fanboy. I also stopped painting little faces around words that I write when I got to age seven and first learned joined-up writing. What are you, a 13 year old Apple fanboy or something?

[@7orres]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 please tell me more about my beliefs lol

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@7orres I don't need to, you haven't disputed the first comment I made yet.

[@Greenmarty]

I run Linux not to save bucks as MS doesn't give a damn if you run Windows without activation. Their policy is to get you on Windows / MS office regardless of whether you bought it, so you then want to use it in you job where they charge extra and sell at huge numbers. I run Linux because MS and Apple are overgrown corpos who only care about their filty riches they can suck from their users or their users' employer but not about the users themselves. Linux on the other hand is developed by folks who use it. It's like back in the day when games were actually made by gamers for gamers. + privacy, low resource requirement, no spy/bloatware etc... I run Arch BTW 😎

[@desvendandoornasaude4127]

Dt which tilling window manager do you use? Could you explain your configuration?

[@Adrian_Galilea]

MacOS works relatively well on old macs and updates are free. And let's be real libreoffice, gimp,... suck, it is amazing that they exist tho.

[@danilaros]

No it doesn’t…latest available macOS version to my 2013 MacBook Pro runs painfully slow, and Apple just stop supporting a perfectly fine computer…i install Fedora on it and that thing gain another life!🙂

[@jedipadawan7023]

Put MX Linux KDE on a 2017 Macbook Air now unsupported by Apple just a couple of months ago. user was utterly unable to install new, essential software. Guy was very nervous and concerned Linux would be hard to use, really techie and he would not be able to learn. He discovered KDE was easier to use than MacOS and is loving it. Machine continues to run happily and he can now use up to date essential software. And Libreoffice, GIMP, et al are BRILLIANT for most users. If you are a graphic designer or have 100 VB macros in office then, sure, you cannot use GIMP or Libreoffce. But that's not true for well over 90% of the world's population. And for free, no subscription, brilliant! Besides, everyone now uses Google docs and Canva anyway.

[@ghost-user559]

@@danilarosHow much Ram do you have? I have Catalina on mine and it runs on 16GB totally fine. Plus you can go up to the latest with a patcher.

[@danilaros]

@@ghost-user559 I have 16Gb of ram, I don’t want to deal with patchers, I have one time an update going wrong with opencore and I lost data on my drive. That’s why I switch to Linux, I been using Bluefin, an immutable distro from universal blue project that is based on Fedora Silverblue and i love it. My only regret is not change sooner because I use to have some afraid. But hey, if MacOs with patcher works for you great, but one day just give Linux a try if you willing to learn something different.

[@_M_643]

Barely anyone who uses windows pays for it.

[@alienfetus4]

Xfce4 needs 2 in 1 thinkpad support.

[@xperience-evolution]

I use Linux not to save money but to be not dependent on one big corp. And to not be a Product of MS/Apple

[@takakazushi6703]

With MS spying SO THROUGHLY ....it wasn't about the money for me.... Its just that I don't like companyies crawling up my colon, camping out there for life and then selling the info they find at the campsite they've invaded. (PS- I donate $8/mo to Linux MInt to help further research and development)

[@Modifiedfs]

Cant fully switch but I dual boot on every pc I own

[@exodous02]

Hmm, I guess. I just don't want to be a pirate, windows is painfully easy to pirate, even get a key from one of those questionable websites, I'm not sure those are legit. I just don't want to be a pirate. One day I just wanted to be honest. Then I don't want to worry as bad about security. I know Linux isn't 100% secure but it is a ton more than windows on a fresh install. If I just wanted to save money I wouldn't wipe windows off of notebooks and install Linux. Windows is 'free' with computers. I have bought a few System76 notebooks, ran really well, but I paid more for those than a cheaper Windows notebook with the same or better specs because it is more than saving money for me.

[@harry-smith404]

Wanto to Waste Time? Do the same!

[@claytonpellow4767]

not sure about saving money, i can use the same free software on windows and with 11 i never buy an activation key i just use it without one because 11 doesnt have a watermark BUT, at the same time i use arch because windows is slow nosey and just not as cool looking as linux can be. the only reson i dual boot windows with arch is because all my abletonlive and vsts for music on windows. other than making music i use arch for everything else including games on geforce now

[@rahuldsouza1985]

I installed lubuntu 24.04 yesterday but it won't detect my wifi 😢, it shows no wifi networks

[@calvo_en_moto]

Everything here is TRUE

[@davidkachel]

Free-of-nuisance is even more valuable than free-of-cost. Let's face it. Microsloth and Apple have made themselves into genuine pests! Stalkers, if you will!!!