Disturbing Health & Beauty Fads From The Victorian Era | Answers With Joe

[@joescott]

So many have pointed out that the corset stuff I talk about has been debunked and I want to point to videos and creators who have done that, including Bernadette Banner: kzbin.info/aero/PLjMlfIMJIJDgt6rOUV3PGgVvIszIqVE-R And Abby Cox: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aomlfXWcjLN7bas

[@i_smoke_ghosts]

we love ya joe !

[@Moonlily23]

As a fellow fashion historian, I was on my way to link just those videos once I reached that part! Thank you for posting those links, they really are wonderful learning tools!

[@BarbarianGod]

I was literally scrolling down to comment about this xD

[@KatharineOsborne]

Haha yes, I came here to post the Bernadette Banner link. Also wanted to mention that crinolines were foldable and flexible, so it was easy to sit down or scrunch into narrow spaces, but obviously it was still awkward and the fire risk was high (some of the illustrations might give the impression that they are a completely rigid cage)

[@Acin75]

Joe, you definitely need to see the film "in good hands", if you did not see it already. Basically like 2/3 of this episode are touched upon in that film, but I'll nit spoil it for you. I just say... hysteria!😁😁😁

[@Karin_Allen]

Speaking of painful medical procedures and treating women as less than human, here's something that still goes on today: Women who get IUDs are almost never given local anesthesia before the procedure. Anyone who's morbidly curious can Google *how* IUDs are inserted. All I'll say here is that many women who get them scream, almost vomit, and even nearly pass out from the pain. And it's totally unnecessary! Giving a local anesthetic beforehand would be so, so easy. I have no idea why it's not done.

[@nykesinorix4630]

I don't know how this is done in other countries but in germany you get prescription painkillers. It's still not pleasant but bearable. Still I don't want to have an IUD ever again!

[@Karin_Allen]

@@nykesinorix4630 I'm glad to hear that at least some other countries give you painkillers! I'm speaking from a US perspective.

[@sharondesfor5151]

Wtf? If inserting an IUD hurts, get a new gynecologist. It's no more painful than inserting the speculum. I've always used IUDs. The only painful part is cramps for a few hours after your first one. No worse than a menstrual period. (And if you've given birth, you won't even get the cramps.)

[@strawbunnies]

Same goes for some surgeries! I had a hysteroscopy without any pain relief

[@milomuffin0]

local anesthesia is hard to get paid for by insurance sadly

[@DragoniteSpam]

"But wait, it gets worse" - The official motto of the Victorian era

[@lindaseel8633]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@_PatrickO]

And QAnon and anti-vaxxers. The only difference is that modern people should know better.

[@midshipman8654]

idk about “getting worse”. given what came before and the fact that hindsight is 20/20. Ironically enough I think people act very victorian about the victorians.

[@off_Planet]

@@_PatrickO Don't you people get bored of your exaggerated and/or imaginary boogiemen sometimes?

[@gramioerie_xi133]

More like human history

[@WinterCrystal1009]

I feel so bad for ancient Egyptians. Like... imagine going through a religious burial with a grave full of your personal belongings, only for your corpse to be eaten over a millennium later by Victorians.

[@essies4294]

Such little respect for the dead. Tragic, truly.

[@WinterCrystal1009]

@@essies4294 Ikr? It's quite upsetting :/

[@linoleluminum2017]

yeah they feel your pain

[@Unshavedd]

@@essies4294 Those people who held those unwrapping parties were probably the same people who put those cages on top of their own graves so their body wont be stolen. Ironic.

[@purpleskiesforever]

@@Unshavedd If a 10 million tonnes stone pyramid can't protect you from grave robbers, a cage ain't nothin'.

[@BexlarsIRL]

I think it's easy to laugh about Hysteria treatments, but if you really think about it it's horrific. Any woman who stepped out of societal norms would be labelled as hysterical, forced to the doctors and molested. It makes me shudder.

[@BexlarsIRL]

@@cynthiamartini8982 I'm sure some did, but I highly doubt all felt that way. Plus, doctors held positions of power over their patients. Refuse Hysteria treatment and likely end up in an asylum and we all know what those were like. So it's not as if women of the time were able to freely provide consent for the treatments to happen.

[@lindacf2379]

@@BexlarsIRL It was also stories about women faking hysteria… 😊

[@BexlarsIRL]

@@lindacf2379 Dgmw, some women probably did. Some women probably enjoyed the treatments. But a lot of women also felt very, very differently and didn't have much say in the matter. Those are the women I'm referring to in my original comment.

[@lindacf2379]

@@BexlarsIRL of course, I just wanted to add an perspective. I mean, sexuality is a force to be recognized, so if this was a legitime way to get off, of course they did it. I just want to point out how very complex it was, and still is.

[@lindacf2379]

@@karatechick306 But we do know that women working in the factories enjoyed vibrations. 😊

[@cidb.212]

How humanity has survived is truly mystifying.

[@Bro1223-c2e]

it's still rolling as we speak. nwo u see...

[@m-w-y7325]

we still have nukes are gonna use one day so yeah. quite mystifying indeed~

[@youtubeaccount8182]

Cheat Codes.

[@markferguson3745]

Let's see if it survives technology.It might continue , but be better off going extinct.

[@oh...hi.]

fortunately, places other then Europe existed which is helpful

[@fakhruddinnalawala5451]

So apparently medieval dentists used to think that the blood vessels and nerves under teeth were worms, and after pulling out rotten teeth, would pull them as well as they "were the cause of the pain". I'm so glad I don't live in the past.

[@oxenford539]

jesus...

[@emberlynkelley5434]

Oh my gooood NOOOOOO

[@nowaynomore]

Thank you, I hate it

[@badrequest5596]

i dont know what would be worse. to live in victorian age, or in the warhammer 40k universe.

[@benjaminbeaulieu7890]

we do! we live in a past where progress is assured by movement in any direction. even backwards, downwards, fastwise, on collision course with evian refuse. do not be so ready to believe how backwards and detective the past was. much of what you hear is propaganda presented on behalf of a looming, less-than-favourable future, planned for us by people several generations removed from experience of consequences, all guards, gates, and golf courses-- prescribed whatever drugs they want, held to standards of behaviour lower than an average toddler's by the goosestepping, bootlicking cowards the public have been selectively bred to become, calls for personal responsibility to the point of literally banning *straws* whilst the penalties for MAJOR irreversible CATASTROPHES occurring as a DIRECT RESULT of co. policy do not even BEGIN to hurt profits in such a way that might ENCOURAGE so much as a SLOWING of INDIVIDUAL PACKAGING that will end up swan-diving the have-nots into an ever more micromanaged, miserable existence. entire bodies of water are purchased by nasty congloms in backroom meetings, lining wallets of local rep wanks as public resources are "privatised" and sold back to public at a hi-fructose, individually-wrapped premium. best of all, comment sections are curated for the comfort and convenience of being *properly* misinformed and GIGGLE *could* conceivably decide any election it pleases, so that the sanctity of our punch-n-judy political system cannot even reasonably be considered a reality. i mean, uhh... "YEAH THOSE FRIGGING OLD STUPIDS WHO LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR EVERY CLAIM TO SOCIAL AND INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY WE PRESENTLY DEFEND ON BEHALF OF BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS WHO, IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM, HAVE INVENTED THE USEFUL FEATURES OF MANUFACTURED OBSOLESCENCE, "updates" to products that END THEIR SERVICEABILITY so as to keep what might have amounted to an unnecessary labor force EARNING SCRAPS and lining up for the slapstick of INCOMPLETE TRUST-FALLS as the GARBAGE PILES EVER ONWARD AND UPWARDS and WARRANTIES WILL BE MADE NULL AND VOID BY UNLICENSED TAMPERING WITH OBJECTS LEASED TO US because we are no longer allowed OWNERSHIP of what we PAY FOR with every moment of our lives spent BUZZING ALONG, gathering pollen for the benefit of those who have the working class hanging by such a precarious thread between earnings and overhead that simply mildly inconveniencing the upper management could mean instant loss of habitation and reduction to a class of people PUBLIC BENCHES ARE DESIGNED TO DEPRIVE OF REST. well guess what, lazybug? your local corp has teamed up with you community planning committee to improve overall productivity by jumping the shark and making ALL forms of public "loitering" ergonomically designed for maximum discomfort! "there but for the grace of-- oh? *stole* nerve gas from perfectly reputable dispensary chambers with their *lungs*?? typical. prolly smuggling it over the border for making "bath salts." like breaking bad, just add prussian blu--

[@zombiedoggie2732]

As for the corset thing, Tightlacing then was actually seen as creepy as we find extreme body modification today. Most women just wore them in the same context that people wear spanx and bras today.

[@hkandm4s23]

Yep. It was just women's underwear. Skirts were heavy, boobs need support. Most of the talk of fainting and organ rearrangement was by satirists, companies marketing new girdles and underwear later on, and doctors who wanted to blame legitimate symptoms of women's problems on vanity rather than admit they didn't understand women's bodies.

[@JSkyGemini]

Spanx and bras don't cause your liver and other internal organs to look like they were squashed in a tiny cage with bars, which actually killed women.

[@zombiedoggie2732]

@@JSkyGemini Ah yes, another myth. yes there was one case I know of. (one( in the 1910s of death by corset, and that was a poorly constructed one and a freak accident. It's like if a poorly made bra's underwire snapped and punctured a woman's lung. There are also injuries and yes, deaths, related to bras. Oh! fact: Pregnancy shifts the internal organs more than a corset. Fact 2: Those 'tightly laced' antique pictures were photo manipulated. And fact 3: there were tricks employed to make it look like the waist was smaller than it was. the Edwardians used something called "Falsies" to pad out their breasts, and the butt often had padding as well.

[@zombiedoggie2732]

@@JSkyGemini Correction to comment: The woman died in 1903. Odds are tightlacing would of been involved as well. Majority of women didn't tight lace.

[@julieweaver7208]

You ever try to get in and out of a pair of Spanx? It can be freaking torture.

[@shell_kickat]

The dudes jaw breaking off was beyond disturbing. Made my stomach drop

[@53mandevilla]

Omg…me too! How did he survive? 😮

[@TheMarshmallowMushroom]

​​@@53mandevilla i mean... he probably didn't, for very long at least

[@douglasclerk2764]

Downright jaw-dropping.

[@TheBranchcliber]

Imma be honest, should have put at least a warning before showing that photo

[@carolinaroot3492]

@@douglasclerk2764😭

[@sketcharmslong6289]

- There's no anaesthesia for surgery - gives morphine to kids

[@dr-k1667]

Goes to show you how two things can be going on at the same dam time and people wouldn't be smart enough to make the connection. Have we gotten any better? Only a little bit!

[@dianeridley9804]

Oliver Twist: "May I please have some more... "

[@DarkElfDiva]

Victoria ruled for a long damn time. From 1837 to 1901. When she became Queen, the steam locomotive had just been invented. By the time she died, there were cars tooling around. A lot of shit happened over those years, including the discovery of morphine and other painkillers. So both statements are true, just at different times.

[@krashd]

@@DarkElfDiva Joe hit the nail on the head when he said that the Victorian era was a transitional phase from the old to the new, people often remark that their life today is very different to their childhood due to the changes we have witnessed over the past 20, 40 or 80 years but imagine being alive in the Victorian era? They literally went from a world governed by superstition to one governed by science and saw the rise of engineering, electricity, hygiene and medicine. Being born in 1830 and dying in 1900 you would have watched everything you had ever known be replaced by things that would have been utterly alien to your parents.

[@x2wheels1lovex]

Just take two mummies and sleep it off.

[@coreyleigh187]

Speaking of radium, here’s a true story for you: my grandmother, who was born in 1898, had painful, heavy periods. So, the doctors thought it would be a good idea to put radium inserts into her uterus. Thing is, they not only put them in, but they left them there! Much, much later, when she was in her 70s, she developed a bowel blockage. During surgery, and discovered the blockage was actually scarring … from burns caused by radium in her uterus.

[@tbonemalone3407]

That’s horrific!

[@coreyleigh187]

@@tbonemalone3407 Ha! Yeah, especially for my grandmother.

[@joylox]

Yikes, and I've heard people say copper IUDs are painful... Copper isn't radioactive.

[@Neppy22]

Did it improve her periods at all?

[@pissapocalypse]

Whaaaat the hell

[@robw2379]

My grandmother (b. 1896) told me a story of going to a beach on Long Island, NY (c. 1912) with friends. Several were sitting against an upside-down lifeboat. The beach patrol came around and told them to get away... not because it would damage the rescue boat, but because it was indecent for girls and boys to be reclined against the same object in public. Back in the day, the beach patrol was to maintain public decency, and if there were any drowning swimmers, then that was a problem for volunteers. She had a picture of her in her "swimming costume." It was a full-length dress. Drowning = OK, reclining slightly = public menace. Yay, victorian priorities.

[@brianmiller915]

Wow, do you know what beach on Long Island?

[@beesquestionmark]

Ay I live on Long Island. That’s so interesting

[@greenbean2222]

@@stratosphere2323 probably the woke bullshit we deal with today. Then again, judging someone on the content of their character started in the early 90s and end in the 2010s. So it makes sense that this stupidity can persist longer than the "positive" beliefs.

[@jamesbischoff9465]

Your grandmother sounds like a floozy

[@starfishw7138]

Yikes!

[@anonplussedhuman2615]

Vintage Clothing Dealer of 18 Years Here: I thought I should add that majority of beach attire was made from wool. In fact, I've rarely seen cotton and the synthetics didn't come until much later. Cotton was proper in 1930s then some elder versions of elastic blended fabrics were introduced in the 1940s and 50s. Mostly synthetics like we know today by the 1960s.

[@Kevin_2435]

"Oh honey I'm feeling particularly hysterical today. I'm going to have it released." "But you were just released yesterday! Don't make me sell you!"

[@LisaBowers]

"Oh alright, dear." :-( "I don't feel as hysterical now, dear." :-\ **goes back to calmly eating bonbons on the sofa** (◠‿◕) **becomes increasingly more hysterical** (⊙_◎) "Changed your mind yet, dear?" ヘ（。□°）ヘ "I'm hysterical enough to keep this up _all_ day." 🪟🔨ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)

[@bloodcarnage8285]

The doctors intentionally named it histeria/medical procedure so all wife's in town would go to doctor to get released. Fkin genius . And they got paid for it..

[@georgetitsworth8919]

@@bloodcarnage8285 Sly dogs 🐕

[@memesfromdeepspace1075]

Bruh 👀👀👀

[@susangibson9123]

😂😂😂

[@LeeAtkinson98]

victorians: "oh no dont dig up the dead its wrong evil and you anger god" also victorians: "mmm yummy fermented person"

[@teflonpan115]

eating people was illegal, and this practice was not a widespread activity. This video is just more nonsense propaganda from Joe.

[@FirstLast-kp9jx]

@@teflonpan115 But it still happened, didn't it?

[@geralddans8126]

Cultural consumption is an global phenomenon. Sadly it was european based also. Joe is unable to look in the mirror probably because he hates his person. Blaming the brits for the worlds ills is the current trend.

[@martiddy]

@@teflonpan115 Just because it was illegal, it doesn't mean it didn't happened.

[@HiThere-ig5iz]

My god, this is an outrage! *I* was going to eat that mummy!

[@earlofdoncaster5018]

Funny story: Sir Joseph William Bazalgette built the London sewers, his great-great grandson Peter Bazalgette was chairman of Endemol, the company responsible for the TV show Big Brother. So, whilst Joseph Bazalgette pumped shit out of our homes, Peter pumped the shit back in.

[@wayfa13]

lol

[@rach478]

Damn lol

[@mikitz]

The road to abhorrent TV productions is paved with good intentions, I suppose.

[@sulfo4229]

The shit must flow...

[@gabrieldemourae]

Holy crap dude hahahaha

[@trala8911]

I was given the modern equivalent of belladonna eye drops when I needed a scan of my eyes. They super dilated my pupils. On the way home, my mum thought it would be fun to take my sisters and I to a petting zoo. Not only was I blinded by the sun, the animals *hated* me. I was attacked by alpacas, emu’s charged their enclosure fences. It sucked.

[@RobinMoreOrLess]

Wow that sucks for so many reasons... that eye doctor could have given you paper sunglasses to protect your retinas, and many predators pupils widen before they attack; so the animals reacting to your weird eyes made sense.

[@morbidmanmusic]

No eye doctor would give you those totally benign eye dialoting drops, without giving you some Shades to wear, or at least would have told you Tom wear dark glasses. .. ... it had nothing to do with your zoo visit.

[@pennyp7382]

Ohhhh YES they would. It happened to me in San Diego. The second I opened the door to go out 😮😮😮😮😮😮Aaahhhhhh I started screaming and dropped to the floor completely blinded. Luckily a kind woman helped me back to the optometrist as I couldn't see anything and was in so much pain. She ended up reading them the riot act and demanding my $ back for me. They said they "ran out" of glasses and everyone apparently thought everyone else would tell me I NEEDED sunglasses...dark ones. Thank you kind stranger. Don't be so certain that NO Dr. Would do this THEY DO!!!​@morbidmanmusic

[@mctrustsnoone3781]

I have been going through eye treatments for 2.5 years, I have never been given or advised to have sunglasses on hand. Now was really fun and creepy is when they only dialate one eye! Your comment about the alpaca and emu nearly made me snort water out my nose!😂

[@pennyp7382]

@mctrustsnoone3781 Having a full pupil dilation where your eyes can not retract your pupils will let every bit of sunlight in straight to your optic nerve. There are many eye treatments. 👁 But not all require full Bella dona like pupils being wide open. That being said. I wish you all the best with whatever is ailing you.

[@animezinglife]

Victorian woman: I've under a lot of stress. Doctor: Ah, yes, hysteria. I'm prescribing orgasms and cocaine.

[@sarahoshea9603]

Now why can't I get a doctor like that

[@christiegilpatrick9264]

I mean, honestly there's not much that orgasms and cocaine won't cure 🤣

[@tiffanyparker6852]

😆😆😆

[@trala8911]

To be fair, you’d feel better

[@davonmulder8458]

it works tho

[@RAZTubin]

As a kid growing up, the most entertaining use of anesthetics was to watch Western movies. Whiskey was drank as an anesthetic and it was also poured onto the wound.Not only that, both the patient and the doctor drank Whiskey before the medical procedure.

[@starfishw7138]

Done today

[@Darktimes17]

I never understood this until I got super drunk on whiskey and I felt a numbness all over that other spirits really never made me feel. It was enlightening 😂😂

[@beckyenglish4783]

Yes! I didn’t know whiskey has different effects to other booze, though (am not a whiskey drinker, but am definitely a drinker!)

[@judethaddeus9856]

I’ve never heard of anyone using anesthetics then watching westerns

[@kkeegan32]

Alcohol as an analgesic and an antiseptic is a real thing and it does work.

[@briangonigal3974]

Ironically, consuming mummies for medicinal purposes probably did save at least a few lives, assuming they did it as an alternative to chugging radium & belladonna cocktails.

[@TimeConsumingInc]

Imagine if they had access to ivermectin...

[@DefianceGal]

@@TimeConsumingInc There wouldn't be any parasites for sure.

[@frutosdomar5315]

Now let's talk about the disturbing health and beauty fads from this current era!

[@yeetyeet5079]

The only thing nearly as bad as Victorian trends today is Botox because of botulinum toxin

[@felis1224]

Goop anyone?😂

[@jakecavendish3470]

Yeah I kind of feel most of ours are actually going to turn out to be worse!

[@frutosdomar5315]

@@jakecavendish3470 for sure

[@dansw0rkshop]

Abortion being called healthcare?

[@samuel_excels]

The hat pin craze was another way a woman could rebel. They were long and substantial pins that went through a hat and the wearer's hair to keep the hat in place. These pins could also be deployed as a form of stiletto dagger in an era where men were frequently creepy and failed to keep their hands to themselves. Sufficient numbers of men got stabbed as a result that the British government did consider banning them as a form of concealed weapon.

[@rivcannibal869]

From my understanding they did to an extent. The eventually only allowed a certain length of hat pins because men got super super upset about them, I'll see if I can't find some of the articles I read, assuming I can find this comment again, I'll post them. Super interesting, if horrifying.

[@gincee6156]

Well, if guys couldn't keep their filthy hands away from the women, who clearly didn't want that kind of attention, then the guys clearly deserved it. An excellent reason, to have a hatpin around all the time.

[@LilyHarvest]

i have one- those "pins" are very hard-very stiff, like a piece of steel. no joke.

[@thebonesaw..4634]

Radium is chemically similar to calcium, hence it's propensity to work it's way into one's bones. The only problem is... once it gets there, it does the exact opposite what calcium does.

[@carolynworthington8996]

Interesting. I read The Radium Girls, and it was both fascinating and horrifying.

[@daemonthorn5888]

"of what" calcium does.

[@thebonesaw..4634]

@@daemonthorn5888 - 1) Nobody gives a shit. 2) I was born and raised in the South, this is how we fucking talk... get used to it. Also, don't go around correcting people's grammar, especially someplace as informal as a comment board. If this is all you have to offer, just stop. Because, you're not helping people and, what you're really doing is... trying to show everyone how "smart" you think you are. That's how it comes off at least. And, lastly, it's just... mean, and it has the potential to cause some people to stop using their voice because you made them feel stupid... and that's the move of an asshole. That said, if you're targeting the content creator for - say - horribly mispronouncing a word, that's a bit different. But try to only do that on channels where the KZbinr has a large following and in regards to things he or she should know because it has to do with what their channel is about, which means: even here, let the small shit slide, and try to punch up not down. But, what you're doing? Stop being an asshole to commenters.

[@babypewdie]

Honestly, re-reading your comment.. “of what” is the right grammar. 😂 That guy doesn’t know wtf hes talking about. Anyways, Thats super creepy how just a couple of different chemicals can do extremely different things to the body..

[@ThePlayerToBeNamedLater]

@@thebonesaw..4634 I think your reply was its own proof for your final sentence.

[@willehster]

the thing i love most about this channel is not specifically the content, it’s how passionately you and the team dive into each subject that crops up. don’t ever feel like you have to “pigeon hole” yourself into a certain kind of video content!

[@ziggyinta]

Agreed, well said

[@Todesnuss]

I'd say the format is so consistent that the topic barely matters. It's still definitely a 'certain kind of video content' though.

[@sarahjangles1]

Mine is the opening turn around and smirk on the chair to the little drum

[@kidus_1010]

My heart genuinely hurts for these people knowing that they were real ordinary people who loved their lives unknowingly consuming deadly toxins and dying at early ages.

[@Stellarainn]

Ignorance is bliss

[@whatdoesthisthingdo]

Here’s a thought - it probably happens all the time nowadays too. We just don’t know it yet. In the words of HP Lovecraft: “We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.”

[@daemonburns-waight2421]

In the future, we're gonna be like "Botulism toxin injected around the skull, what the hell were we thinking?"

[@fiberpoet6250]

Exactlyyy

[@ronjones-6977]

Well, look who does that kind of thing. Kinda explains a lot.

[@lolazal1]

Some of us already think this.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

In modern times you get an artificial blue iris implant. It's illegal in most developed countries but stupid or uninformed people still travel to countries like Brasil to potentially damage their eyes. Why? Because it looks cool

[@stevethebarbarian9876]

Well the difference is, we _do_ know that botulism is a toxin, or that iris implants are unhealthy and destructive, we just knowingly do it anyway. Back then they didn't even know that half of that shit was poisonous.

[@thecryptidkeeper9913]

Some of these Victorian medical practices are jaw dropping.

[@notmyname327]

I was definitely not prepared to see the literal jaw drop

[@tenaciousrodent6251]

Dude literally turned into Raziel. Sucks to be him. o.O

[@MrAtoz-jq5ry]

With enough morphine anyone's jaw would drop.

[@dafien530]

lol, do you mean treating people with radium?

[@AnnaCurser]

add a rimshot

[@bill_and_amanda]

"back then thousands of people didn't get medical treatment because there was no anesthesia, but luckily today they can instead not get it because they can't afford it"

[@harryithink5336]

*Laughs in NHS*

[@travispluid3603]

@@harryithink5336 Laughs in waiting lists

[@myscreen2urs]

Somebody needs to create anesthesia for the bank account. The pain is real!

[@myscreen2urs]

Pick pockets be like: "Don't worry, you won't feel a thing"🙃

[@Highonwater3X]

@@travispluid3603 You never really have waiting lists for actual important shit, only elective/non-emergency procedures.

[@cassiesimmons5972]

Joe, belladonna/opium suppositories are still available. They work wonders for patients after urinary tract surgery that pain isn't relieved by modern pain medicine. So yeah, it's still on the shelves and I am quick to ask the MD for it when my patients aren't getting pain relief after their surgeries (I'm a RN). They're called B&O Supprettes. Lol

[@53mandevilla]

Whoa…didnt realize this!

[@SarahWells777]

Wow!! Really?!

[@inthelandofmorethansmall7582]

Ok wow. I'm an RN and even I didn't realize this!!! (Ofc I work in the ER. Not post op. Best thing we carried was cocaine nose spray for nose bleeds. But we don't even have that anymore. 😕)

[@KssN27]

Newbie rn good to know as I head into med surg haha

[@AWGragg007]

Hm, I wouldn't have guessed that. Interesting...

[@CyanLightning]

"Hey modern medicine, thanks for not being worse than literally no medicine, it means a lot" -Sam O'Nella

[@ericBorja520]

Oh you have a light cough and fever? Here, take my concoction of cocaine, cannabis, and arsenic and you should feel good in the morning.

[@alasdairwhyte6616]

so you don't use modern medicine? good luck

[@CyanLightning]

@@alasdairwhyte6616 Are you referring to me? If so, then I honestly intrigue how the hell you can came with that thought. For the record, I use modern medicine and the reason why I quoted Sam O'Nella is because Modern medicine is the only medicine that work with great result.

[@40watt53]

dont remind me of him

[@anontheshade]

Wish he would post

[@FeloniousAngel]

Bernadette Banner and Karolina Zebrowska have very informative videos on myths about corsets. The average woman did not wear her corset particularly tight. It's a myth based in Victorian sexism. Tight-lacing existed, but those people were as odd back then as they are now.

[@ellisharlan6881]

yes!!! this!

[@cindermagus]

Thank you for saying this, was wondering if anyone else would bring it up. I can’t help but roll my eyes every time I hear someone say that corsets were tight and suffocating for women back then. They were our bras, and it seems like they are actually even more comfortable if properly tailored for ourselves rather than a bra.

[@stephaniecollins6052]

Thank you! They were the rare, extremists

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

Yes! This! Properly worn and broken in, a corset is actually not uncomfortable. Tightlacers were the extreme.

[@Andi-uz5mt]

Yes! Exactly I was considering commenting something like this. I mean people don’t generally like being uncomfortable so a garment would not last hundreds of years if it were extremely uncomfortable. There were actually a lot of benefits to corsets as well such as back support and helping to redistribute some of the weight of the skirts.

[@JamesJansson]

"His jaw fell off" - mine nearly did too when I first saw that picture.

[@reubennichols644]

- - D i d o ! ! !

[@lareolanKFP]

How did he even SURVIVE long enough for his jaw to fall off?!

[@liamgreat8024]

@@lareolanKFP For real, I'm scared af 😱

[@lainiwakura1776]

Mr Ballen has a video about that!

[@sanmarino8605]

And he survived for two more years after that, I wonder how

[@cannibalcatgirl]

I would love if you did a video on ancient Persian medicine as you mentioned that Persian doctor. I was looking into it the other day… and they were way ahead on a lot of ideas compared to Europe and other places at the time. The first hospitals, some of the first anatomical charts that were starting to go along the right ideas. We talk about European medicine as the basis of what old medicine was, but the Persians actually had some neat stuff going on. Factoring in Alexander the Great burnt down a lot of their literature… the Arabs buried Persepolis and destroyed a lot of literature too, so it makes you wonder how much was lost

[@brick6347]

There were still Victorians alive till recently... And I mean recently. Violet Mosse Brown was the last subject of Queen Victoria, and she died in 2017! As a kid in the 80s I knew a few elderly people who were born in the 1880s.

[@stumccabe]

I'm 69. All of my grandparents were born while Victoria was still the Queen.

[@stephanledford9792]

My grandfather was born in 1888. Over his life he went from driving a horse drawn logging wagon, saw the arrival of the telephone, radio, air flight, automobiles, space travel, two world wars, men landing on the moon and more. He died right after his 100th birthdate in 1988 so we are not that far removed from some of the things mentioned in this video. I am 70 now.

[@RinrvUSA]

As were both of my paternal grandparents and maternal grandfather..

[@a.alphonso6193]

@@stephanledford9792 wow 😮😮😮

[@wolfzmusic9706]

my great grandfather was born in the 1880s i believe which is pretty cool

[@cathyannferreira8694]

I was born at the end of the 1940's and one of the happiest memories of my childhood in the 1950's was being given paregoric (camphorated tincture of opium) for a bout of diarrhea. Good times.

[@linoleluminum2017]

lol.. I was born in 49 and I didn't get any of that

[@ujmrider]

That stuff was nasty!!! I had to take some in 1972.

[@scottpreston5074]

It worked quite well.

[@jenniferblackwell0706]

I was born in 1976 and I was also given it too, I had a son in 1994 and his pediatrician gave it to him.

[@daisyviluck7932]

@@jenniferblackwell0706 I worked as a nurse for a pediatrician in the 90s who used to prescribe it! Older guy. (Probably the same guy) 🤣🤣🤣

[@MidnightSt]

the best slogan for packaging of anything: "I guess it's better than having arsenic in it!"

[@wheelmanstan]

or "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"...which is like saying "if you're not first, you're last"

[@camwyn256]

@@wheelmanstan what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, or cripples you for life.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

They had their arsenic eaters and strychnine dosers, (pre amphetamines).

[@feonn_art]

@@suzyqualcast6269 n

[@feonn_art]

@@suzyqualcast6269 nnnn

[@CurtisCT]

Looking forward to the KZbin video on "Disturbing Health & Beauty Fads From The Early 21st Century" when I'm in my 90's. The great grandkids will be ROTFL!

[@TheDavidlloydjones]

Never forget the pharmacists' principle: "Eight hundred years of protecting the people from the doctors."

[@baronvonbarbeque]

i've never heard that. hahah I love it.

[@kimberlyandrew5734]

@Jack Michael I understand the fact that tomorrow isn't promised to anyone, but investing today is a hard thing to do because I have no idea of how and where to invest in?

[@jamesphilip5272]

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[@joy6703]

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[@tomwatt4416]

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[@andrewsenseigames]

Do you think the kids’ party game “pass the parcel” could have been inspired partially by the mummy unwrapping thing? Smaller trinkets hidden beneath some layers until the final reveal.

[@dreamlogic.v3390]

Puts that game in a new light....

[@beesquestionmark]

I’ve never heard of that, but seeing as “ring around the Rosie” comes from the Black Plague, it wouldn’t be surprising.

[@Psi105]

oh god

[@Illegiblescream]

Well, given that funerary wrappings included religious icons folded into the layers of fabric, as well as personally important trinkets and occasional gems, yeah I see it.

[@faycarretta280]

I remember my mom saying that when she was a teen they would put drops of lime juice on their eyes to make them whiter for parties 😭😱

[@geraldkenneth119]

Wouldn’t the resulting eye irritation have the opposite effect?

[@jameshughes3014]

Imagine living in a time when you would skip getting surgery that you need because of pain, instead of living in a time when we skip surgery that we need because we can't even afford the special 'hospital taxi' ride much less the surgery

[@lybri5490]

We've really progressed

[@Bryrye236]

So back then people would not get surgery because of pain as well as not being able to afford it.. Today nobody skips a surgery because of the pain. But since the beginning of time and to the end of mankind, their will always be people who can't afford a medical treatment. It is unfortunate but its reality.

[@jameshughes3014]

@@Bryrye236 i don't think it was that vastly expensive back then? what was the average cost to get a leg cut off by the guy who cuts your hair? because the average cost now is over 40,000 .. for a lot of people, that's more than a years income..

[@jameshughes3014]

@@Bryrye236 I did some digging. Information is hard to find.. but I did find records listing the price of removing a tumor in the early 1800s at $7, (compared to 30,000 today).. the average worker made about $8 a month.. so, a months income vs 2 years... Seems like prices have gone up - a lot.

[@Bryrye236]

@@jameshughes3014 I'm pretty sure someone could still get their leg cut off by their barber if they wanted to do that. The cost would probably be the same as in the 1800s. The option is there. But the thing that is different now days is the advances in medicine and medical procedures. If you need to have your leg cut off with minimal pain and without major complications and infection. As well as physical therapy to help in recovery. Modern medicine gives us these options. All of these advances in medicine cost and are not very cheap. It would be great if these things were free and available to everyone but we know that is not realistic.

[@Veristelle-]

I was incredibly confused about how someone could have a 300% mortality rate, but that makes sense. Wow, legitimately inpressive (in a bad way).

[@riccardosartori3822]

Liston was also allegedly the inventor of Listerine, which he used as a surgical disinfectant

[@kenlieck7756]

Shouldn't it be 400% anyway? I thought he said that the patient + an observer + two assistants died...

[@riccardosartori3822]

@@kenlieck7756 no, One assistant died, the two was referred to two fingers of the assistant

[@kenlieck7756]

@@riccardosartori3822 Ah, got it. I should've played that part back again...

[@mikitz]

Not even Josef Mengele managed to break that age old record.

[@aedelus]

Either way, 28 seconds of an amputation still feels like an eternity.

[@jennytinna9842]

Hello

[@jaakkopontinen]

Absolute hell, no doubt.

[@emberlynkelley5434]

Foreeeeeeever! Anyone that has felt time slow in a stressful situation knows how long each and every second can take to pass

[@jennytinna9842]

@@emberlynkelley5434 how you doing

[@emberlynkelley5434]

@@jennytinna9842 I am doing well, and yourself?

[@MrEdWeirdoShow]

The most enjoyable feature (besides the accurate treatment of the subject matter) about this channel is that the guy telling these stories is not the usual loud carnival barker type, aimed at attracting views to his venue at any cost. Instead we got a very calm and polite IRS man. In many cases he seems to end up being quite embarrassed by some of the nutty things he keeps bumping up against, which makes listening to the tales absolutely hilarious. So keep up the great work, shy dude!

[@baronvonjo1929]

I'm sure it varies. But corsets back in the day were actually made for individuals at the time to make it fit in the best way possible. I've heard many stories of modern actors using corsets and struggling with it. That's because they didnt get it fitted for them specifically.

[@kayq3231]

Thank you! Working women wore them just as much as high class ladies.

[@zombiedoggie2732]

As the industrial era moved in, corsets began to be made to standardized sizing. They were advertised in catalogues. As for actors and the corsets, there are so many variables, such as wrong size of corset. the corset not being made to measure. It being laced too tightly because of the producers 'vision' and misconceptions of the era, thinking women can go to size double zero via corset on first day. (Ouch!) So these actors, over worked, unused to the restriction of the corset, that may be laced far too tightly of course is going to say something about it. If I were in their position I would complain too.

[@pheart2381]

Female opera singers have found that wearing a corset enhances their vocal power because of the support.

[@Harvester4509]

“Told you there was going to be another one.” Lmao immediate thumbs up

[@akhilezai]

Lol me too

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

"Oh another one!" -me when I saw the title

[@tamarawinnett4138]

I did exactly the same.

[@jaehenlee7633]

Same. I want to know who these people are that are giving thumbs down. i love Joe's videos

[@Ben-rz9cf]

The victorian videos are my favorite ongoing series here just because there's basically unlimited material for how fucked up the victorian era was

[@emilypresleysee]

If you really want to understand the purpose of corsets, go watch any videos on the subject by Bernadette Banner, Karolina Zebrowska, Abby Cox, Nicole Rudolph, Morgan Donner, etc. The purpose was not primarily to cinch ones waist down to as small as it could get but to provide support for the body (yeah, women have certain anatomy that needs shaping in the upper body... breasts.) and structure for the clothing. Just saw he acknowledged this. Seriously, go check out these fashion historians. They are multitalented and extremely knowledgeable about their area of interest/study.

[@icarusbinns3156]

And never wear corsets, stays, or bras to bed. It’ll encourage atrophy of pectoral muscles and encourage sagging. It’s best to go without

[@tododuck4636]

finally someone said it. I was cringing every time he said corsets were for tight lacing.

[@nancyt.7134]

[@jennamason4154]

Your channel is phenomenal! The order the material the better. The videos on the Victorian era are some of my favourites. Thank you for your hard work!

[@pouch2598]

My ancestor was a 14 year old girl who was unfortunately one of the 78 victims of the Arsenal explosion (Pittsburgh, Pa) on September 17, 1862. And like many of the girls who were either atomized in the explosion (plural), or burned beyond recognition. Found amongst the rubble were dozens of iron hoops from the dresses of the victims.

[@beckyenglish4783]

Wow - awful story, but fascinating.

[@Firstthunder]

Wow. I have read some about this explosion. Thanks for the live history lesson! Finding metal hoops from dresses after an explosion is just something I could not have imagined or thought. The most innocuous, innocent things we leave behind make some of the biggest impressions.

[@zombiedoggie2732]

Wow, that must of been a huge explosion to obliterate someone to the point that only thing that is left is the hoop steels of their crinolines! Rest in peace, your ancestor.

[@lindsey9958]

Explosions?

[@zombiedoggie2732]

@@lindsey9958 Fromt he little I read on this thus far, it seems like a spark set off some gunpowder at this arsenal factory. Something that can happen today too, especally at flour mills, and wheet storage towers. (yes flour dust is explosive)

[@samuelstensgaard4828]

"Excuse me doctor, I think I'm having another bout of womanly hysteria." "You seem perfectly calm to me-" "I SAID I'M HYSTERICAL!"

[@anthonyhutchins2300]

"Okay sorry... maybe it your time of the month" "HOW DARE YOU?!"

[@thebonesaw..4634]

@@anthonyhutchins2300 -- (... her time of the month to have him work on that... hysteria "problem")

[@kokoleka808]

So the Epsteins and Prince Andrews who believe they are living in a new Victorian age justify what they're doing as releasing female hysteria.

[@VeganV5912]

@@kokoleka808 > Plaque forms eating animals. First time 6 years, no plaque. Are used to think it was normal having plaque, go to the dentist, 6 months (🍖)😬.... but now I’m vegan, 6 years I don’t have dentist service because I don’t need it. Can’t believe it ✅❤️😬👍. But gorillas are plant-based and they never eat animals. No plaque at all. And no toothbrush !!! Clean and fresh !!! Gorillas teeth on Google.. look for yourself. And meat et cetera as fat deposits, Weight gain if you eat animals. Long, long stomachs. We are herbivores ✅❤️😬. Scientific fact. Yeast is B12. Teaspoon 500% !!!!! And it’s natural 🦠 (hint hint 🥖🍞B12 ). Or marmite teaspoonful 480% !!!!! Duckweed B12 500% teaspoon !!!......

[@jon-christiankaczor5384]

Just take this ampule of morphine twice a day and a toot of opium once a day and liberal cocaine abuse and you'll he fine maam

[@aubreyackermann8432]

When I was 18, I bought my first ever corset. I could lace it all the way comfortable except over my hips, which compressed my waist to 18". I could comfortably walk, scrub floors, do homework, etc. The only thing I couldn't do in it was eat at a normal speed. Looking back, it wasn't the greatest plan, but it certainly didn't stop me from breathing or squish my organs. CT scans of a woman in a corset show that the lungs, blood vessels, and organs all maintained their volume except for some mild compression of the digestive system. It shifts the organs less than a pregnancy would.

[@Jolenesmart1980]

I’m a woman and my waist is about 34” and chest 40 so I’d be huge next to you then

[@aubreyackermann8432]

@@Jolenesmart1980 we're about the same size now

[@joylox]

As someone with back pain, I've been seriously thinking about making my own corset. And considering how heavy those skirts were, having something supportive would have helped a lot. People wear compression garments for other things, just that elastic wasn't around then. I wear compression socks due to one of my medical conditions, and often compression gloves as well to reduce pain when typing.

[@aubreyackermann8432]

@@joylox I've made two, one was eighteenth century stays and the other from a 1902 pattern. It's a very long involved process, but the fit can be amazing! The stays only needed zipties for boning, and they're great for upper back support. Something mid to late victorian would be better for lower back support. Good luck!

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

@Chloe KM Have you tried one of the mesh or vented corsets for hot months? They're supposed to be cooler.

[@AmyAndThePup]

I forgot how much I enjoyed your videos! Good stuff, as always. I could listen to you talk about this, or any other era, for two or three times the length of this video. :)

[@melindafrench9385]

When I was pregnant with my daughter I got a severe case of food poisoning and my doc was worried I was going to miscarriage. He prescribed Belladonna for the nausea and cramps! It worked!

[@2Complex2]

Possible you're talking about Homeopathic Belladonna? Ah, thanks, good we got this clear

[@heidi9272]

what did you eat?

[@melindafrench9385]

@@2Complex2 it was a prescription I got from my doc and took to a pharmacy to get filled

[@melindafrench9385]

@@heidi9272 it was 30 years ago so I really dont remember. Fast food I'm sure

[@Biepsi]

Belladonna is in many homöopathic treats and it works very good!

[@eyeln9ne696]

I've never seen a grave with bars around it, that's crazy. I'm 40 and never even heard of that. Great video Joe, I already learned something new today.

[@scienceface8884]

I visited Edinburgh in Scotland a few years ago and one of their older graveyards had a bunch of graves with those cages over them. I had assumed it was to prevent grave robbers from taking any jewelry they might be buried with.

[@milamber82]

@@scienceface8884 Burke and Hare were in the business of grave robbing to supply Docs for dissection in Edinburgh, Couldn't keep up with demand so they just started murdering folk and selling them to the docs.

[@ronjones-6977]

@@milamber82 Bonus points for being go-getters!

[@sanmarino8605]

Well most of them were in the UK so if your not around that area it's probably rare to find one

[@christinematt5530]

My great grandma was young during the Victorian age & she taught my grandma that having your period was something you should be embarrassed about! Even up to my mom’s younger days she’d freak if she saw a commercial for Kotex pads! “Oh why do they put such awful stuff on TV?!” 😂 if my gram could see the commercials now she’d faint 🙄💯

[@linoleluminum2017]

It is disgusting to show that, and underpants with a woman's crotch bulging and medication so a man can get an erection ,modesty and decency are gone

[@chareefabiano8173]

My Grandmother and Mother were going exactly that way. You were not supposed to even mention it. Not Kotex, menstrual cycles, bad touches nothing of the sort.

[@chareefabiano8173]

Indeed, my grandma was born in 1902

[@53mandevilla]

Yeah, periods are normal, but even a boomer was taught it’s personal, so it took me awhile to accept Kotex or Tampon commercials…not that it was shameful, but that it is a personal & private thing…still should be! This is just having class! Nothing classy about shouting it from the rooftops, is it? Just sayin…😂😂😂

[@meemaw2200]

@@53mandevilla whats there to be private about? not menstruating is the real shame and since you can't thats something to be mad about, menstruating is a natural thing and a blessing.

[@Scottish_Rose]

Today's beauty fads aren't any less horrific. Lip injections, breast implants, butt implants, gluing eyelashes onto your eyelids, fake nails, fake hair, plastic surgery...I wonder what people hundreds of years from now will think of our beauty fads.

[@cdkj8573]

did you watch the video for christs sake? all of those things are WAAAAAAAAYY better than anything mentioned in this video.

[@rickwrites2612]

So what? These are much safer and not medically horrific at all. The only bad thing about them is that it's so overepresented in media that young people feel they have to look like that. Which has more to do with hypercapitalism and is a totally different issue than safety.

[@IreneWY]

You didn't pay attention to the video it seems

[@jercasgav]

And we still have dangerous things in cosmetics like asbestos in powder make up containing talc as it is hard to separate asbestos from talc, or shampoos that have caused major reactions and hair to fall out. Nail polish is incredibly toxic unless you get certain brands and the chemicals from the polish get into the blood from the nails! Cheap jewelry from China often has cadmium or lead...we aren't as safe and fancy pants today as we would like to think!!

[@central3425]

Remember folks: The businesses and people who invented these things said they were "safe." Makes you wonder what things we take now will be considered toxic in the future...

[@lauragold7099]

Exactly

[@158-i6z]

V A P I N G

[@mkay5862]

Fizer

[@central3425]

@KaRue 3 So was asbestos and other toxins. Pfizer also was the company who had to pay the biggest criminal fine at one point as well so don't think they are infallible. Sure hope not as a lot of people got the shot.

[@central3425]

@KaRue 3 I'm from Canada, we not only approved asbestos we mined and sold it up to 2011

[@eyorke01]

Very interesting update - makes me wonder, 100 years from now - which of our modern beliefs and practices will seem crazy but we don't realize it today.

[@staceghostc2c]

Please don’t be hyaluronic acid…

[@sebastienmcgrath6077]

They might think that the majority of us used things like negative ion rock salt lamps and anti 5g crystals.

[@hmarie2494]

25 year olds getting fillers etc....makes them age 15 years overnight. I see it, but they don't.

[@The_ZeroLine]

@@hmarie2494 15 years older you mean. Totally.

[@jamesc140292]

Chimps in zoos and the lack of focus on mental health will look barbaric

[@raskov75]

Arsenic Complexion Wafers was the name of my college band.

[@RoguePsychMan]

I know this video came out a year ago and Joe likely doesn’t monitor the comments on it, but I wanted to say thank you. Every video you end by saying “love you guys” and honestly? Not many people say that to me and others anymore.

[@TwinBleaks]

"Victorian dump truck" is a term I didn't know I needed in my life until now.💀

[@krisamagus1]

you didn'tneed it . You just wanted to use a boring meme to sound clever and funny. Failed.

[@TwinBleaks]

@@krisamagus1 Wow, someone's bitter lmao. Let people enjoy things, sour puss. Obvs 21 other people liked it too.

[@krisamagus1]

@@TwinBleaks not really. You are all what's wrong with our society. No identity, copying everything, go after the herd.I'm not bitter, only sad. These likes designed to take away our remaining brain cells, and succeded gloriously. You even defend your foolish comment for likes. This is just insane. Wake up. People like everything that doesn't mean anything.

[@TwinBleaks]

@@krisamagus1 Hahaha sir, it's really not that deep. I don't care about likes, I pointed them out since you said I failed. What did I fail at, exactly? Making a harmless and silly comment on a video? Get the stick out of your ass and climb down off your high horse and live a little. People like you are the sad ones.

[@perpetualbystander4516]

@@TwinBleaks I'm sorry you had the misfortune to get attacked by someone who chose to misunderstand and ruin a perfectly good joke. 😖

[@LikaLaruku]

Fun fact: Belladonna is still used in some medications, such as ear drops to treat Swimmer's Ear.

[@sukimay9441]

Crazy, something randomly told me to throw away my ear drops yesterday… that’s fkn wild.

[@olgapisova6207]

Fun fact - some old-school eye doctors, when checking the eye, might still use diluted belladonna drops. This has generally fallen out of favor as the eyes can take a long time to return to normal, but AFAIK it's not forbidden. I've experienced it first-hand in 2013, in Central Europe, it took me about 3 hours to start seeing details again and about 2 days to stop being hypersensitive to light. It was also the only time I could get away with wearing sunglasses at school (pestered the doctor into signing a paper for me for a week), it was some great time for pranks! Especially since I already had some special FX contacts laying around😁towards the end of the week, I was almost nicknamed Sauron.

[@OuterSpaceDollface]

I was prescribed belladonna for bowel cramping in the early 2000s!

[@rose6610]

atropine

[@kjcross1087]

The eye drops for pink eye in my medicine cabinet have belladonna in them and I've used them with no issues. Bought it recently at a major supermarket 🤷 Prob very small amount in it and you don't use it for more than a couple days

[@johnfech3985]

“Victorian dump truck.” Literally made me lose it. Lol!

[@edoardocecchini3652]

"Anemia Is the sexiest disease" lol

[@Leviathan1216]

It goes with the “ant waist” lol

[@PheobeKate-1111]

today started WONDERFUL!!! I can't believe how excited I was to already knooooooow where barber shop quartet's evolved from. like, I was dancing around the room.... ok, admittedly, not as cool as it feels. But, still a great way to start the day. I feel kinda smart, and usually that's not the case when I'm watching you. great show!

[@InkanSpider]

Don't know if people have already said this, but the most common reason women fainted during this time wasn't because of corsets, but because of tuberculosis which was very common (and even somewhat fashionable? Victorians were weird man). And corsets were made to fit the individual, so they were actually more comfortable and even worked better than modern bras (work better because all the weight is put on the entire upper torso and not just the shoulders). Also also, you talked about the stuffed birds used for hats. And the first image you showed were from the 1900s, around 20-30 years later (dependingon when you start counting). Because during that time (the Edwardian era) stuffed birds were still a hype, or even just feathered hat

[@happymess3219]

😶 don't know how true it is, but i've heard that when those huge wigs were popping, wealthy women sometimes had actual, small live birds, butterflies, and even lightening bugs in tiny cages in them. they really went all out with the wigs and gowns. the more outrageous, the better.

[@adlwilliams]

There was an episode of Futurama where they were eating mummies ("this ones teriyaki style!") and I thought that was just a gag until now

[@jessicafishburn7671]

I just wanted to let you know that your sarcastic humor is much appreciated! Not only did I learned a lot watching this video, I also had some much needed laughter! Thank you!

[@kristingeater]

Twenty years ago when I was in nursing school, we learned about Belladonna and Opium Suppositories (B&O for short) for pain relief. In my personal experience, I've never administered one, but they were apparently pretty common once upon a time.

[@TrekNatal]

Joe, you should do a video about things that seem normal to us, but might seem insane to people a hundred years from now.

[@johndurrett3573]

Because...trust the science. lol

[@40watt53]

racism

[@anthonyhutchins2300]

So everything? Lol

[@mikitz]

@@johndurrett3573 You have to trust science in order to improve. Without the e.g. Victorian era trials and errors and scientific knowledge (even as they were mostly proven wrong), we wouldn't have what we've got today and this goes on and on, probably forever.

[@darkfeffy]

@14:42, I think it's important to explain to the non-USA audience the difference between emergency room and urgent care. See, one could cost you thousands of dollars, and the other just 100$ for the same treatment

[@JeffSpurlock]

"these fashion crazes were insane! look at this bustle!" Kim Kardashian: "uhh.... ya... so crazy... why would they do that just to make their ass look bigger?"

[@lindaseel8633]

Well said! 🤣🤣

[@Colaglass]

Nothing has changed, hubris is the mind-killer.

[@sambloke1327]

Exactly. Give it a hundred or so years and people will be like "they injected silicone into their asses and breasts to make them excessively large"

[@Colaglass]

@@sambloke1327 Lots of other examples, but none are appropriate for social media these days it seems.

[@lindaseel8633]

@@sambloke1327 You are so right.

[@shaylahowie3251]

I just love your channel. I recommend you constantly to everyone🤣 I love your open minded, analytical perspective on all these topics and all your research has helped me learn so much. Thanks for helping keep me questioning everything, learning what there is to learn, and having random facts for every subject🤣💕

[@karinland8533]

A different treatment for hysteria was a hysterectomy 😳 because hysteria was thought to be caused by unnatural moving uterus 🤦‍♀️

[@evenmykidneyspounding]

lol does that mean the word hysteria came from hysterectomy? thats so funny

[@queenieburgers50]

I have PMDD, many women resort to have hysterectomies from the severity of the symptoms and feel tremendous relief. PMDD wasn't known about back then, the understanding of why those women became so emotional with 'hysteria' couldn't be solved, it's incredibly difficult to deal with today. I know hysterectomies happened also for women who just stood up for themselves as well. Endo would cause hysteria. Lot of conditions can cause those kinds of symptoms and hysterectomy helped and still done today.

[@erzsebetkovacs2527]

@@evenmykidneyspounding No, both words come from the Greek word meaning womb.

[@RandomStranger246]

The lady I know as "Grandma" that adopted my Dad had a hysterectomy around age 20 after her brother went missing in war and was never recovered. They claimed her reaction to the trauma of losing him was "hysteria" and gave her a hysterectomy as a cure. Appalling, but my Dad ended up with a wonderful childhood as a result, so there is some happiness that came from it.

[@coinwater8511]

"we all know anemia is the sexiest disease" Me, a recently diagnosed anemic: 🥰😎

[@JSkyGemini]

Take your iron!!

[@susieqz813]

*chews ice* “we sexy af” 😏

[@thetruepatriot7733]

@@susieqz813 heck yes! I just finished smashing up my bag of ice for the day lol.. I go through a lot.

[@blackops2revival122]

@@thetruepatriot7733 lol yes ice is the best I am not anemic but I could so eat a bag of ice a day

[@saneemaybein6743]

too hot so I eat ice 🥵🥵🥵

[@valeriehinkle8995]

I'm assuming from other random biographies and writings about"common people" of the victorian era, and victorian era pictures I've seen, that it was mainly Rich, "educated" and upper class people who chased after these nonsensical trends. Farmers and homesteaders and servants ( everyday people) didn't participate in such ridiculousness. And I don't believe it was because they were poor with no access. I honestly believe that much like today it was the poor, common and more grounded people who had more common sense and better things to do than to try and out do and impress their friends.

[@PrakritiSehgaal]

Well said. The rich and the 'elite' are still doing the same. If we look around there are still many nonsensical trends going on amongst the 'elite' in today's society, which I'm sure will be mocked in future.

[@jenniferlloyd9574]

So, so true. The average person couldn't be bothered to participate in nonsensical, high ridiculousness. They were too grounded and busy striving to live.

[@jac8158]

This is plain false? In the Victorian era almost every single woman in the world wore a corset. And most of the upper class simply had parts of their photos painted over to make it look like they had a smaller waist. And don't even get me started on the crinolines, and at times big sleeves, and bonnets which made the waist look smaller than ever. The normal waist size for most of the Victorian, and Edwardian era was around 37-40 inches for a normal woman in her early to late 20's. And the average waist size for a 25 year old woman in modern times is about 29 inches... If you want to do more research I suggest you check out Karolina Kebrowska and Bernadette Banner

[@gabbief789]

This is not completely untrue but it is missing some key elements. Everyone wore corsets and multiple skirts as it kept out clothes clean and people warm as there was little to no central heating unless you were very rich. The Victorian era spans over about 50 or so years as in England, the rich continually changed the woman’s silhouette (like ball gown to lobster tail) to distinctively mark who was upper class, those who could afford to change their wardrobes every ten years, to those who couldn’t afford petticoats (those who were servants and very poor wore the hand-me-downs from their very rich employers). But those in between who were middle class, definitely wanted to keep up as much as they could afford because to be seen as “out of fashion” meant poor. Which at the time was very discriminated against and mocked openly, especially if you were a woman

[@valeriehinkle8995]

@@gabbief789 well on the American Homestead corsets and hoop skirts could have gotten you killed. Wearing wide rimmed skirts would have been a fire hazard around camp or fireplace cooking fires and women helping building and working the fields wouldn't have been able to wear corsets for lack of oxygen, as it was common for women to faint from over exertion when wearing corsets. Even today, but especially back then If you're busy doing meaningful daily activities you have no time for fleeting fad's and ridiculous impractical dress and behavior. It was more important for a woman on the homestead to tend to planting harvesting and preserving so her family could survive the winter so I very much doubt if she spent much time caring about such things as ball gowns and lobster tails.

[@glenjennett]

I was thinking while you were talking about how crazy fads and fashions were back then and I see parallels of that happening today with all the beauty, health and diet fads in modern times. I can imagine in 100 years people will look back and think how barbaric people were in our current times.

[@petergant1379]

The golfer that drank three bottles of Radithor a day for years and lost his lower jaw, I'm surprised he survived it with him JUST losing his lower jaw! Didn't he DIE just from drinking that much, seems like he'd have had tumors, all through his gastrointestinal systems, just as a start!?

[@ebony3419]

What* autocorrected.

[@carolynworthington8996]

Yeah, he probably died, but first he lost his jaw.

[@ellieeliandelliot7439]

This is probably where we got the phrase jaw dropping.

[@petergant1379]

@@ellieeliandelliot7439 Aha, well played, my good sir, or, madam! Yes, I'm miffed I didn't sieze the opportunity!, I was in serious mode, there.

[@danan9061]

He died from multiple cancers as well

[@Nemoticon]

I've always loved the Victorian era because I studied mchanical enginering and arcihtecture, being a golden age of discovery and development... I had never considered the other aspects of daily life that you have highlighted in this video, especially the facts and details of medical understanding (the lack of) and poor personal hygene. Thank you for giving me context!! 😆

[@typ044]

Smithers " phrenology was dismissed as quakery " Burns " you would say that, you have the brainpan of a stagecoach"

[@mikitz]

To be fair, phrenology did get some things somewhat right. It was also the precursor to (neuro)psychology.

[@typ044]

@Rainy Days not sure I get the comment, if you're trying to say quackery is 2 words, it isn't. If it's a joke or reference to something else it went over my head.

[@gamtngirl3655]

I LOVE the intelligence and humor of this channel.

[@mackenziemorgan9963]

I love that every word that comes out of your mouth is dripping with sarcastic splendor. I'd listen to you read the back of a cereal box for hours, and im sure I'd chuckle along the way.

[@mollygreenwood7786]

So, interestingly, when Joe talks about surgeons separating off from barbers, it moved from barbers to apprenticeships for surgeons - you didn't need a medical degree like a doctor. The lasting remnant of this in the UK is that we call our surgeons Mr or Ms, not Dr, because the original surgeons weren't allowed to use the title Dr because they had no medical degree (they do now!). I didn't realise this wasn't a thing in the US until I spoke to some Americans about it!

[@bombappetit]

Yep. In Malaysia too, being former colony. My brother changed from Dr to Mr as he completed his post grad course and became a surgeon.

[@jennytinna9842]

Hey dear how you doing

[@bradeurich5183]

*crinoline catches fire* "Quick! Stop! Drop! And Roll!" Woman wearing a 6 ft cage under her dress: "Ummm...."

[@ikitclaw7146]

I believe at the time the thing to do while on fire was, Run in circles screaming bumping into more flammable things...

[@xponen]

@@ikitclaw7146 hilarious!

[@off_Planet]

Stick in the spokes meme

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

...and this is how breakdancing was invented. 🤸‍♀️

[@EFTTappingwithHeatherAmbler]

Great video. Watching it, I was tripping out (once again) on the fact that I'm old enough to have known several people who were born in the 1800s. The one I knew the best (step-great-grandmother) was born in 1891.

[@lucasglowacki4683]

Why the screaming? Thought they had a bunch of morphine laying around😂

[@IraeCarvalho]

Wouldn't be manly to take kids medicine! How dare you suggest it?

[@samisbasement]

they actually thought pain was sent from god and trying to reduce pain was against god

[@nicknorthcutt7680]

With Morphine you'd still be screaming in pain just in less pain lol. You'd need to be unconscious.

[@FeedScrn]

And cocaine. ... although it's true that it's not a true sedative.

[@BMarie774]

Fun fact: Belladonna is still sold in homeopathic eye drops. You can go buy eye drops RIGHT NOW, and not even realize you’re putting Belladonna in your eyes.

[@Miroslava_Ivanova]

Don't they use atropine drops for eye exams, because they make your pupils dilate?

[@ronjones-6977]

@@Miroslava_Ivanova Yep. It's an unusual drug. Low doses can slow the heart, while higher doses cause it to speed up.

[@klausillo]

They area homeopathic drops. So you are not putting anything but simple water in your eyes.

[@danielmurphree5846]

@@klausillo most people have no idea what homeopathy really is. Like you said simple tap water mostly

[@audreysark]

I was JUST going to make the same comment! I was shopping yesterday & saw Belladonna in the ingredients in some eyedropper! I started laughing in the store & got some very strange looks.

[@TheFray212]

that isn’t a photo of eben byers. apparently it is a soldier that lost his jaw to cannon fire

[@williamromine5715]

Supporting evidence please.

[@TheFray212]

@@williamromine5715 whenever that picture floats around of eben byers it is debunked. apparently came from a book or journal and the larger non-cropped photo has the description about it being a wwi soldier. also, this is clearly not kind of damage you’d get from radiation poisoning, and another actual real photo of eben byers with no jaw looks nothing like this and you can tell it’s the same man from his photos before it all happened.

[@stephanieschaffer2133]

Either way I was not prepared for that photo, it's one of the most disturbing I've ever seen. 😱

[@williamromine5715]

@@TheFray212 Thank You. I felt that the picture didn't seem to fit with radioactivity. Your answer is logical.

[@HayderAbdulridha]

I think we can all agree that almost everything was insane in the Victorian era.

[@lukastemberger]

Almost everything is still insane though...

[@TheWebstaff]

Yeah and 100 years from now. Those mental people!

[@john_michael_white]

I think the period from 1850s to the 1920s was when we saw the most astonishing leaps in our technology and scientific understanding that perhaps humanity will ever see. Sadly with each new leap you've opportunities for hucksters to huckster, and that ends up with the occasional golfer having their jaw fall off.

[@arch1107]

it was the era of winning!

[@mikitz]

Just about every era was fucked up in more than one way, including ours.

[@sylviahoffman9440]

I have done a lot of research on the Victorian Era for Steampunk conventions for panels (classes) I have hosted. Excellent job and very thorough research and presentation on this subject! It is absolutely horrifying what the Victorians did to themselves, homes, and children and I'm amazed that humans even survived it. Some really stupid ideas and practices. Thanks for your excellent video! I subscribed instantly.

[@joylox]

I'm into the more cosplay side of things, but it's neat to see both where the fashion inspirations came from that inspired so much of fantasy and subculture today, as well as just how far we've come. I for one am very thankful elastic was invented, as well as medications that are safer. I would still love to try using a sewing machine from back then, my main one is from the 1970s and then I have one from 2010, but I'd love to see the differences between how things were made.

[@musiclubrary]

Hi, actual law student here, I have read judicial decisions about selling wife's in the Victorian era. It did happen, but it was never legal.any courts denounced it early on .

[@shunawestern9153]

Really enjoyed watching. Found the whole Victorian era completely fascinating, and rather shocking, especially when you came out with the last wife to have been sold on record was in 1913 if I remember correctly. That's not that far back really (shocking). But basically in that era, everything was just a poison in one way or another. So glad we live in the here and now hey. 🙂

[@andrewwhiteside2033]

I love your videos Joe but the part on wives being sold sounds a bit misleading. Although wives were sold, the women did have a choice in the matter. The whole process was basically a way of divorce at a time when divorce was only accessible to the wealthy. Men would make a public display of selling their wife so that everyone knew that he was no longer financially responsible for her. The man to buy her would be pre-planned and chosen by the woman (usually her partner in cases of infidelity). Women could refuse to be sold and could not just be shipped off like cattle.

[@kanna317]

Yeah, Today I Found Out did an in-depth video on this and it was a way to get a divorce for people who couldn't really get one. The wives weren't really forced into it.

[@АндрейСоколофф]

Thanks for the information

[@endlessstudent3512]

Yeah, for sure they were not forced at all. If she said no, i am sure absolutely nothing bad would happen to her. Her husband wouldn't have beaten her, starved her and otherwise made her life a living hell at all. Yeah. Of course, it was all peachy. (Married) Women had no rights, not for working a paid job (needed approval of husband until the 1970th), owning property, voting, studying etc...

[@icarusbinns3156]

Two parts of my family were sort of part of this. At one point, it was seen as okay to trade one’s wife. With her consent. One fella liked the lady. The other guy had his eye on the second guy’s horse. So… they traded. Wife for horse. And along with the wife came three kids and a dog and a cat! A family for the price of… a plowhorse. But the second husband was better. Raising these unexpected kids, and being the father of four more!… one of which was a manager to a group of the Radium Girls My family has issues! A lot of issues…

[@mcmandy086]

@@endlessstudent3512 My thoughts exactly. This comment makes it look like somehow it wasn't "that bad" but I can only imagine, following logic, how awful and demeaning it must have been for women. Also, wives were literally the husband's property, that alone says a lot about the real saying the woman could had in the whole thing.

[@sycamorevalley8580]

"Victorian women wore corsets...because they wanted their waists smaller and smaller" spoken by a man who has never had to support breasts.

[@tymanung6382]

Also. as the above historical clothing experts show,in many photos women had their waists photographically reduced (predecessor of Photoshop).

[@IntriguedLioness]

True. In 2022 I find myself wearing corsets with certain outfits. Everything in moderation of course but they really are a much more comfortable way above lifting ones bazooms rather than the "over the shoulder boulder holder" which the bra, especially underwire!!, became.

[@sycamorevalley8580]

@@IntriguedLioness Even in modern bras, the band should provide 80% or more of the support. Corsets spread that weight distribution over a larger surface area than a bra band. If you shoulder straps are providing more than shaping, your bra doesn't fit.

I have to support breasts. Very big breasts in fact, and sure as hell I don't want a corset. Also, before the Victorian are people had breasts and had ways to support them and didn't need a laced stiff piece of clothing with literal metal bars or boning in it.

[@thomast847]

Joe, the missing jaw photo you’re showing isn’t Eben Byers. That’s a wounded WW1 soldier.

[@lntrlp4936]

Joe makes shit up all the time because he knows 99% of his viewers will never do any kind of their own research.

[@jimmykelly2809]

I thought something was off when I saw that!

[@Meatsipie]

When you search Eben Byers, that picture shows up quite a few times.

[@bostonreese4807]

As an Herbalist, I have a deep and personal obsession with educating myself on the ‘Victorian era, etc. After quite a bit of research, I find that NOTHING surprises me anymore.

[@anonplussedhuman2615]

Is there anything you think we should bring back if altered?

[@bostonreese4807]

@@anonplussedhuman2615 can you please elaborate on what you mean by altered? What would be brought back and where?

[@joannp5806]

As an Herbalist,you do know that many so called poisions,are still used today in Homeopathic recipies,of course not full strength. I use one called,Topricin. If you Google and read the ingredients,one is Beladonna. 50% of all Pharmaceutical meds are derived from Herbs,as I'm sure you know. Far as I'm concerned? All cures are in plants,but of course Big Pharma would never admit that one. I've also studied and used alternative remedies for over 20yrs.

[@anonplussedhuman2615]

@@bostonreese4807 lol it was a light-hearted question. I'm not taking too seriously. Nevermind.

[@anonplussedhuman2615]

@@bostonreese4807 was literally asking you that but ok

[@Jayk129]

14:08 THANK YOU JOE! This is literally my single favorite joke in all of SNL History. I often quote the small toad or dwarf bit every time a doctor tells me about some new treatment or medicine.

[@___LC___]

Oh no Joe! Don’t fall for the tight lacing hysteria! It’s like looking back at this era and thinking everyone had plastic surgery like Kim Kardashian.

[@nataliajewelmusic]

I was just looking for this comment! Fashion history is my passion and it sucks when facts get misconstrued

[@rajatbhoyar2166]

17:17 we still call wax as a "moam" here in India, and also candlestick as a "moambatti".

[@heloisaschmidtburg8219]

In brazilian portuguese we call mummies "múmias".

[@carminia824]

The use of Radium for presumed health purposes was not a Victorian thing. Vidtoria died in 1901. Radithor, for example, was introduced after WW I.

[@galaxysprinkles1573]

I feel like it should be pointed out that the crinolines and bustles were collapsible, as in they weren't rigid structures. :) The crinoline could lie flat on the ground, it didn't stay in the cupcake shape, and the horizontal rings were "squishy" so you could push on the rings to get through tight spaces and to sit down. The bustle worked in similar ways. Prior Attire has some good videos about it! :)

[@sondra4789]

I drove a Cobalt in a civil war era dress one night to pick someone up for a Halloween party. The driver side was completely filled with the dress though. But the hoop is VERY collapsible. Mine is made from spring steel. The dress has about 30 yards of material, possibly more since I forgot if I included the chemise, pantaloons, the underskirt and overskirt. Maybe 40 yards lol I lost track (I made the dress and underthings many years ago).

[@LilyHarvest]

the first hopps were not collaspsible- they were very stiff, sometimes made of bone. women would sometimes get the dresses (the hoops) caught on things while walking - when they fell, the dress went UP (and yes- show EVERYTHING under that dress, lol). they started making the hoops with other materials. softer more pliable material that you now talk of.