Divers Recover Critical Evidence from Bayesian Yacht | SY News Ep386

[@ryanlindner3518]

Thank you for your honest and fact based assessment of the Bayesian tragedy. The CEO of Perini Navi has turned me off of their company because of his quick and baseless blame of the crew. He doesn't have the facts yet. Wait for the authorities findings.

[@sarkybugger5009]

All boats are unsinkable, until they're full of water...

[@retartedfreak]

Unsinkable...unless water gets in somewhere.

[@squireson]

The Rainmaker wasn't sinkable even after being flooded with water. Look up the images 2 years after being dismasted and abandoned !

[@SveinMBortne]

All boats are sinking, until they're pump empty of water. It's the ultimate work of Sisyphus.

[@MrPLC999]

I accidentally filled my ski boat with water until the transom was well under. But it didn't sink because of built in flotation compartments. So my boat is "unsinkable," in fact. If you're wondering...I immediately hooked up to the houseboat and started towing. Water went out the back and the transom came up. The automatic bilge pump removed the rest. Two hours later, she was high and dry. Except for the engine of course which was full of water to the top of the carburetor. A nice mechanic spent 4 hours removing the water and she started right up. No water got into either fuel tank and the boat served us well for our 7-day vacation on Lake Powell. And no, it was not a missing drain plug...

[@gregbrazier209]

@@sarkybugger5009 my boat is is balsa core and epoxy so will never sink. But flooded and smashed up is just as useless as sunk.

[@edwardwojtecki1534]

Sailing as a commercial mariner we are always under the microscope of AIS That info is dodgy and would be challenged in any court as suspect to interpretation. Great coverage of an unsinkable yacht. Keep up on the facts based investigation. You are doing better than some news organizations who might look to easy answers from less knowledgeable individuals. Cheers Capt Ed Wojtecki

[@waynejohn8]

Subject to interpretation...

[@Horatio1886build]

I don’t trust most of the media outlets out there. There are only a handful of ful of news sources that are not corrupted by the temptation to sensationalize or just pure corruption from large sums of money some people and organizations can bring to bare. This is one of the few sources I Trust.

[@christopherwust]

I will never understand anyone claiming a vessel is unsinkable. Mother nature is no respecter of persons . Best always to remain ever humble before the raw power of nature.

[@williamlloyd3769]

Just trying to deflect public sentiment pending in inquiry which will no doubt cause a shit storm not to mention upcoming wrongful death lawsuits

[@alexwipe]

Seems no one ever learned after the titanic…. Astounding!!

[@MindbodyMedic]

Saw a fella try to hawk one of those oil rig rescue boats in London on FB Marketplace "Unsinkable" he says , designed to withstand 300c oil fire. Ok then

[@annsheridan12]

DUH! A 89 degree knockdown with keel down was unrecoverable as well as 70+degrees with the keel retracted.

[@annsheridan12]

The openings for the generators were open , enough to fill her up.

[@scottfortune9016]

I think you may be the ONLY news channel that is completely unbiased.

[@timdunn2257]

Also the only news channel that knows anything about yachts.

[@judybailey9031]

Agreed

[@artfulalias3984]

Dick Beaumont of Kraken Yachts (who seems a reasonably reliable source) put out a video. In it he says the point of vanishing stability for the Bayesian with the keel raised was only ~76º. And the down flood angle for the vessel, due to the large well decks and their access near the side decks, both front and rear, was only an incredibly low 45º. I haven't seen that the forward side doors were known to be faulty. But the canvas top over the forward well deck was not clear before this video. Thanks for adding information to the discussion.

[@gha9543]

The designer is French and the navy architect is British.

[@hb1338]

@@gha9543 Wrong. You only need a minute or so to discover that the vessel was designed by Ron Holland, who is from New Zealand, and was built in Italy according to Italian regulations.

[@gha9543]

@@hb1338Why was it registered in the Isle of Man? Was there another retrofitting for the water tight cabins ? It was done in the UK ? Did it carry twin engines and generators +hydraulic pumps?

[@joeordinary209]

I hope the crew will get a fair judgement, not a witch haunt....

[@jaxdragon1723]

a 'micro-burst' or 'down-burst' can knock a 737 jetliner out the sky, from thousands of feet. So how is a sailing yacht supposed to stand up to.1000's of tons of wind from above, come straight down on your boat. Mother nature has you in her hands, see if you can hang on for the whole ride

[@donatass.4699]

Italy has 51.4% of global super-yacht industry. It would be hard to let it go. Its either crew or many lost opportunities :) Let objective investigation decide the faith of it.

[@LiveFromLondon2]

@@jaxdragon1723 there was no "burst". Just a normal typical summer storm in the Med. They are sometimes referred to as cloudbursts, nothing to do with downbursts, despite the similar name. Just a monumental deluge. But even that wasnt the cause - some clown left a door open.

[@print-master]

There is no way the crew had anything to do with the sinking of this ship or nor could they have prevented it.

[@print-master]

@@LiveFromLondon2 they’ve already said all pertinent doors were closed.

[@DavidTangye]

Excellent info in this episode. This clarifies the sinking to me. I have posted several times about the 45 degree angle being sufficient for tons of water to rush below via the side deck cutouts into the aft cockpit and then to the main saloon and beyond. It seems I me that the taller mast is the reason she could heel to that 45 degrees relatively easily. Extra ballast would have been added to counter the effect of wind on the taller mast. This ballast weight lowers the yacht's waterline. The extra weight of the tall mast is relatively unimportant. It would not be much compared to the weight of extra ballast. So the latter that is far more significant. It appears that the reason she was limited in stiffness (ie could tip relatively easily) was that there was a limit to extra ballast that could have been added to her without sinking her waterline further. She was already sunk by extra ballast as close as was thought prudent to the port side big hull door. At design time they wold not want to move that door up to a bit higher on the hull, and that would result in having to redesign the height of the inside deck there to be at the same height (We can't have guests tripping over lips or having to step up or down when coming aboard, so everything has to be the same height where possible.) Ideally she should have been designed to not ship water until at least 70 degrees (true offshore yachts can and do roll an entire 360 without shipping much water), and had sufficient ballast to make it very hard to get to 70 degrees (eg the force from perhaps a 150 knot wind) which is easily modelled in nautical design software.

[@hb1338]

'Bayesian' was designed as an inshore yacht. - there was no need for it to behave like an offshore yacht.

[@sannefridolin]

I just love that you have all the facts, and can give so much information, more than I have read anywhere else. Good job!

[@judybailey9031]

Love this channel!

[@Talk4UK]

I have an inkling that the comments of the yacht maker are not going to age well....

[@louisavondart9178]

... next step, voluntary liquidation before the Lawsuit hits.

[@Osentalka]

He's been arse-covering since day one.

[@chuckaddison5134]

You may be right, however, I would suspect lawsuits for wrongful death would far outstrip any savings gained by cutting corners. I'm thinking the crew was either untrained or unprepared for the serverity of the weather encountered, or both and failed to button up the ship.

[@meofnz2320]

@@chuckaddison5134 “Failed” implies “did not follow normal procedures for a given set of circumstances”. So far there is little evidence to support this.

[@chuckaddison5134]

​@@meofnz2320 "Failed" also means collapse, implosion, or other stresses beyond design limits. While that may not involve the crew they also have not been vindicated yet. Another "failure" is the weather forecast as to the severity of the storm. The fact that they survived and the guests didn't does not necessarily indicate guilt on their part, but it certainly does not indicate innocence either. That a (laughably) unsinkable ship is sitting on the bottom indicates one or more failures. Whether all of those rests with the design and or weather or involves human failure remains to be seen. That said, Aviation has a saying that no catastrophe has a single point of failure. Instead a chain of failures causes the crashes. Most, but not all usually resolve to somebody not doing their job, or doing it wrong.

[@suedyer5279]

You need to watch the CEO of Kraken Yachts evaluation of the Bayesian incident. The point of vanishing stability on Bayesian was only 73 degrees (with the keel up) and deck flooding began at a mere 45 degrees. No one is talking about design limitations but wants to immediately blame the crew. I’d be interested in your comments.

[@elsiesmith1771]

The 73 degree of no return plus 45 degree of ingress has already been discussed here by eSysman. It was an informative video aired here at least 2+ weeks ago discussing the design short comings that would have contributed to the sinking.

[@suedyer5279]

@@elsiesmith1771 thank you for sharing that. I was unaware of that video. Did he go into design attributes beyond those two factors? I’ll look to see if I can find that episode.

[@ZainalAbidin-d8q]

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen 😢

[@achitophel5852]

The KZbin discussion featuring The Kraken Yachts founder is the most informative, expert knowledge based to date.

[@jay-nq6ii]

Where he explains that climate change did it. Right

[@fraserhardmetal7143]

The take from this sad event is that the yacht sank and people died - whatever is recovered will not help - those lives are lost - what happened was a complete catastrophe - a combination of weather and a vulnerable vessel.

[@mrdr9534]

@fraserhardmetal7143. Agreed, but one could also hope that this tragedy gets thoroughly and fairly investigated, so that "we" can learn from it. And thereby minimise the risk of it ever repeating.Whether that is through new requirements or regulations OR by prosecuting people who in some way caused this tragedy. Either by neglecting their duty, or even worse directly causing it by some "direct action" ((And I'm not only talking about the Crew, these charges could also be leveraged against people "involved in the construction" depending on cause of this catastrophe )). Best regards.

[@LiveFromLondon2]

and a poorly trained incompetent crew.

[@LiveFromLondon2]

@@mrdr9534 there is a lesson to be learnt - dont hire any crew who isnt fully experienced in the waters you plan to sail.

[@print-master]

@@LiveFromLondon2 I can’t imagine Lynch hiring a bunch of bozos for a crew. They were all highly trained.

[@nicholasbell9017]

Yes, it was a "vulnerable vessel" because the owner persuaded the builder to adapt an existing seaworthy two- masted design to accommodate a single mast, the tallest Bermudian rigged boat in the world. Like,

[@mirandahotspring4019]

You said the engineer and the captain are both British, Tim Parker Eaton, the engineer on Bayesian is British, but the captain, James Cutfield, is a New Zealander.

[@byteme9718]

Given we owned them and they use our flag there's no difference. 🤣

[@mirandahotspring4019]

@@byteme9718 Fine, let everyone know how stupid you are. I guess you believe Hawaiians are British too. They have the Union flag on their flag as well.

[@livelongandtroll9108]

Once again, another astronomical display of arrogance by Mr. Giovanni Costantino. It is despicable to blame the crew without a shred of evidence. Furthermore, it's not a good look to claim you designed an unsinkable ship while divers search its wreckage.

[@Syndr1]

@@livelongandtroll9108 me thinks he doth protest too much

[@adrianthoroughgood1191]

His position is that it's unsinkable if all the doors are shut. That's why he keeps saying they must have left a door open.

[@DrJuan-ev8lu]

The best defense is a good offense. He is getting into the fray rather early for someone who has no worries about liability. But maybe he is just trying to continue selling his ships.

[@ronaldperrin9583]

What ​@@DrJuan-ev8lu

[@LiveFromLondon2]

Its obvious what happened. The doors werent closed in time. Otherwise there is no way for the vessel to take on a sinkable amount of water.

[@johnnoonan9982]

Always great coverage and content!

[@victoriaburkhardt9974]

Amazing scenery. Thanks for that drone footage and all else that you do.

[@paulblacklock2160]

It's Air-Lee beach. I'm a Queenslander. Love your Blogs. Thank you.

[@tommymonza]

There was a 50 meter Peroni Navi down here in Florida that went out to sea in Hurricane Wilma because there were no safe area in Key West for it to moor. It ended up losing all power during the storm because the large vents for the engine room allowed flooding of it. It then became dismantled and washed up on a sandbar 4 miles from Key West.

[@huntspoint3442]

I was down in Key West at that time, and saw that boat on the bar. That was surreal looking. If remember correctly the crew was staying on the boat so it could not be declared abandon.

[@timdunn2257]

Maybe you mean dismasted rather than dismantled?

[@slopermarco]

Correct name is "Perini". "PerOni" is an italian beer. 🍺😊

[@Ali-Bea]

Interesting. Didn’t sink though.

[@smacksman1]

A ketch rig weighs more than a sloop rig, has higher windage, less efficient and costs more. But the ketch sails are smaller and more easily handled and the centre of gravity (and effort) is lower.

[@bobansak2583]

I almost certain the masts for all of the sister boats are carbon fiber not aluminum.

[@smacksman1]

@@bobansak2583 Maybe true, Bob. My post was in reply to the statement in the video that sloop rigs weigh more than ketch rigs, which is not true for like for like materials. The ketch main mast will still have chain plates, compression post if deck stepped and standing rigging (though a spreader or three less) and shorter. Running rigging will be the same for sloop/ketch main but shorter. Fores'l furling gear, boom furler, sheet winches and blocks the same but a size smaller. Electrics and hydraulics the same. Then add the mizzen mast, standing and running rigging, winches and blocks, electrics and hydraulics. There is a reason why modern yacht (not superyacht) builders build sloops.

[@bobansak2583]

@@smacksman1 Gotcha. I'm pretty familiar w/different rigs. I sailed and raced +100K ocean nm on both small ~7.5 meter to 35M flat out race boats and luxury yachts as a crew (temporary and permanent) and captain .

[@lucaschueli984]

Italian is my first language. I saw the Porta a Porta TV show a few days ago and fully agree with your comments. There are certainly too many large recesses on that deck and possible water intakes! Added weight from mast and keel (retracted) certainly added to instability and downward drag.

[@paullandreville5394]

Yet another professional report eSysman. Thank you sir.

[@2sailSIM]

Info: AIS uses VHF radio and in heavy storm conditions particularly if lightning is involved the transmission is corrupted. Basic AIS info is the most frequent, and more detail is added on less often transmissions. This can be why AIS data is lost, or partial during storms. I personally have experienced a number of ships AIS "disappear" off a screen during a heavy storm off Gladstone in Australia, ps, Airlie beach is said "air" (as in air or water) "lee" as in lee shore. happy sailing over the weekend

[@Deltarious]

For me the most interesting thing left about Bayesian is that it's likely there are divers right now who 100% do know what happeend to the vessel or at least have a strong idea of how it happened, but it would not be propper for them to assert a cause or talk about it without all the data being offciially gathered as they may not be correct on all the details. The shell door for example is likely very easy to spot if open or not on a dive and is something you'd be able to tell quite quickly, as is that rear salon door, you'd only need one quick pass arround the vessel to asses their final states. Of course the sinking may well change the position and states of things so an investigation *is* needed but I'd be surprised if there weren't a few divers who have working therories right now that turn out to be correct

[@Hilighted]

@@Deltarious I agree, it’s not rocket science. Most likely the keel was up and portals were left wide open.

[@daversj]

The footage of Norway is beautiful. Have to get my butt to Norway and see the sights.

[@svWanderingPuffin]

Take me with you? I'm old but still sassy! 😁❤️Bobi

[@JayAdams-ml5jf]

Lawyers win again. The number of different lawsuits from this will be insane.

[@timdunn2257]

How many lawyers will represent drowned refugees in Italian waters?

[@Pecanut]

@@timdunn2257The question is completely irrelevant to the particular case.

[@timdunn2257]

@@Pecanut Your indifference to the deaths of thousands of poor people tells us all about the state of your soul, just as it tells us about the souls of those who govern Italy.

[@JayAdams-ml5jf]

@@timdunn2257 Did the Italians drown the refugees? You seem to be speaking of a topic not related to the topic of this conversation/video. And I must confess that here in the US I haven't seen anything about Italians drowning refugees.

[@timdunn2257]

@@JayAdams-ml5jf Who is "the Italians?" The Italians didn't drown either the yacht guests or the African refugees. Only huge denial can see the refugees and the yachtsmen's deaths being of equal concern to the Italian government.

[@brunonikodemski2420]

The "Shipping channel" also has commentary about the AIS and how it works. The AIS is NOT a reliable indicator of ships orientation, only the movement of the transmitting antenna. Any rotation is not properly indicated, and their software just assumes that the vessel is pointed in direction of antenna movement.

[@johnh9031]

As soon as the yacht leaned over 45 degrees it began taking on water and flooding. Anyone trying to escape from down below would have been met with a river of water. Then to float into an air pocket and run of oxygen, just terrible

[@MinSredMash]

The downflooding at 45 degrees would only run down to the engine room and bilges, not inhibiting evacuation. It was only at 70+ degrees that catastrophic downflooding would occur.

[@johnh9031]

Good point. But it ‘began sinking’ at 45 degrees, exponentially making the situation worse. Bilge pumps and drains would have been overwhelmed

[@eire711]

I look forward to a computer graphic reproduction of the sinking. I wonder what the force of water would have been? and if it would have prevented any escape?

[@MinSredMash]

@@eire711 At 70 degrees of heel you would be lucky to escape the hull even without flooding.

[@Ali-Bea]

@@MinSredMashnone of the survivors have mentioned 70 degrees of heel. 20 - 45 they say.

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

🙋‍♂️THX ESYSMAN ,🤗 for your continued objective sharing of facts without speculation🧐🤗💚💚💚

[@richardstamper5630]

Your diagnosis is spot on (in my opinion). Your rational explanation is far more trustworthy that the documentary shown by the Italian channel. Fingers are going to wag when the boat is lifted.

[@achitophel5852]

Very doubtful that it will be raised.

[@slopermarco]

The television program "Porta a Porta" (Door to door) is not a "documentary" but a program for "desperate housewives"😅. So, skip everything mr. Costantino said and instead keep in mind what was said by the admiral of the Coast Guard (no storm/gale warning, unpredictable event) and by the captain of the Sir Robert BP (the ship sank at bow). Two very important elements both for establishing/excluding any responsibility and for reconstructing the dynamics of the sinking.

[@abbywinters7751]

Excellent coverage and update on the Bayesian. Mahalo!🤙

[@Dax893]

Damn! Norway is beautiful, especially with violins.

[@thegallopinghousewife]

Airlie is pronounced exactly as it’s written- Air Lee - common stopover from NZ on the way to Indonesia and then around the world for cruisers and super yachts alike.

[@ssylar]

Ty and have great weekend as well

[@AnnaAllford]

Every time I admire your professionalism and creativity. Thank you for your hard work and effort!🖤❤️‍💛

[@ssylar]

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[@LuckySpinster.]

So they harassed the captain and started a conspiracy because another crew member lives in the same St. Eye roll. There's probably a community of Brits living in the same area.

[@DigDug_The1975]

I bet there were modifications made that don’t meet code. The CEO knows this & that’s why he’s blaming the crew. He has some liability in this & doesn’t want to be exposed. He came out, publicly, BEFORE any investigation passing blame onto them. That’s a huge red flag! NOTICE: how he hasn’t expressed ANY empathy for those that died on a vessel HIS company built. There’s a reason he hasn’t.

[@illdeletethismusic]

interesting possibility, couldn"t put it past someone switching a design from 2 masts to 1 just to get the tallest one to demand some additional modifications that aren"t wise

[@romeisfallingagain]

smart comment

[@carpenc1]

The guilty dog always barks first.

[@csjrogerson2377]

Complete and utter supposition without a shred of evidence, just circumstantial inuendo and an over-enthusiastic imagination. The Earth is an oblate spheroid; we have landed on the Moon and the Earth was not made in 6 days

[@Sssthpok]

@DigDug_The1975 you got a comfy armchair there, have you ?

[@Private-GtngxNMBKvYzXyPq]

The outro footage and soundtrack are sublime. Thank you for sharing!

[@Freesavh1776]

There has never been & will never be an unsinkable boat. If it displaces water then it can sink.

[@7phyton]

I recommend a revisit to high school physics; or just exercise of common sense. For something to sink, it must be more dense than the fluid it sinks in. So, a boat comprised entirely of materials with density 1. If cargo (gold!) and ballast could be jettisoned quickly enough, the ship could stay afloat. Unsinkable boats have been in continual use for thousands of years, probably tens of thousands. They are made of aquatic plants with spongy interior tissue, lashed together. A boat made from expanded plastic ("styrofoam") would be similarly unsinkable.

[@mileshigh1321]

'Maltese Falcon' wow! first time I have seen her! Love to see her with sails raised!

[@MindbodyMedic]

The CCTV footage will be recoverable I'm sure , that's good to establish exactly what went on and when .

[@d.t.4523]

Thank you, keep working.

[@antc5010]

You've now mentioned both forward and stern cockpits of the Bayesian, but the other important point is that these cockpits are at the same deck level as the huge saloon / lounge area separated by the sliding doors of previous discussion. This is advertised on charter brochures as an alfresco dining area. The importance is that in combination the "cockpit" encompasses an area from the forward point of the bow cockpit to the rear of the stern cockpit. Most yachts minimise enclosed cockpit size for obvious reasons, whereas Bayesian has maximised its cockpit. Therefore, when flooded, not only is this a huge area / volume, but it can drain below via stairwells to below deck.

[@anjou6497]

Yes, what was the designer thinking ....😖

[@lindakrelle6607]

I was wondering as you mention when one of the crew forced the saloon glass doors open while escaping if it unfortunately allowed a lot more water inside as it was already listing badly and that was the 2 minute moment before she sank rapidly. It might have just sadly been the literal tipping point.

[@andyb8268]

Appreciate your coverage

[@kuromameshiba4418]

This video has NOTHING to do with the work I'm avoiding, yet here I am liking and subscribing. I came for the clear explanations of the Bayesian sinking, but I think the music choice on the outro today pushed me over the edge.⛵🎻

[@laboursoflove]

Me too 😂

[@jeremy1350]

Hello. I've seen the destructive power of a downburst/microburst first hand here in Montreal, and it's destructive power of anything below it. If that burst came down onto the yacht, and there was the mentioned "Canvas Cover" on the fore lounge, a burst carries a great deal of water with it (to begin with) and you said that it only takes a few (cm) of water to make the vessel unstable. Whether or not the doors were open, or the yacht turned of her own accord or was dragged, if the amount of falling water (to a greater extent) fell on the Bayesian, she was going to go down. If the shell door was open or not, the fact that she was lower to the water, than other yachts, due to her aluminum single mast, the confluence of factors going on all at once, seems to me the Bayesian was doomed. The factors of the mast, the sitting lower in the water, the amount of falling water, and the pressure of the downburst, adding up all these events into a timeline, just tells us that the Bayesian didn't stand a chance in these circumstances, yes, or no ?? I'm just adding up all the provided factors. If they are trying to paint a picture of the Bayesian's last moments, have they seriously looked at the confluence of events that led to the sinking, or rather, they are trying to paint a picture that exonerates her crew of wrongdoing ?? When a downburst/microburst hits you, there is no time to think and respond, because by the time you "get there" the destructive damage is already DONE. Who's to Blame or Not to Blame ?? I think everyone was hit broadside and spun them off their guards. In our case, the burst hit in milliseconds. And an entire park full of "centurion trees" were snapped like twigs, and thrown in all directions. All the cars parked on the periphery were destroyed, including the facades of every home around the parks periphery. There was no time to think, nor act to preserve property. Nobody knew what was coming, and it hit them squarely, and off their guards.

[@omniaholland8906]

This is the first time I have heard of the canvas roof over the forward lounge! This in itself is a huge red flag with a downburst … how could it not take on water?

[@laboursoflove]

Canvas in a downburst doesn’t sound much better than my 1960s canvas tent in a storm in my grandparents’ garden when it got shredded.

[@DavidTangye]

The canvas is over a sunken cockpit, which has sealable hatches/doorways to below decks. Being in the centre of the yacht, it is far less likely to be the cause of the sinking by some supposed massive concentrated downpour of water. It might be possible but I think nowhere near as likely as simply heeling in strong wind to over 45 degrees and shipping tons of water straight through those side deck cutouts that lead into the aft cockpit and directly down into the main saloon and beyond.

[@lulabellegnostic8402]

Imagine paying all that money for a boat and not being able to use the lazaret unless it was flat calm.

[@FranktheDachshund]

Like having a 230 foot mast for no reason other than bragging rights. A mast that seems to have played a direct role in the sinking.

[@ZainalAbidin-d8q]

Yep beauty over function, as is what is normal.

[@csjrogerson2377]

The problem of where to stow tenders and how to launch/recover them in less than clement seas/weather has been an eternal problem in ships. There are no good solutions, only compromises and trade-offs. There are few options on a SY. The most useful aid has been the introduction of On Anchor Stabilizers. At least the vessel is stable (largely) but only King Canute can calm the seas. Oh, bugger!

[@delilahboa]

New Subscriber here 👍🏻…… I came across your channel because of the Bayesian Yacht disaster, I’ve never sailed, don’t know anything about sailing or yachts etc, I’m actually terrified of water and the open ocean, also diving etc, but I find this channel so interesting - I’m sorry I haven’t learnt your name yet - I find you so knowledgeable and I already feel I trust the information given and it matters to you that the information is correct ….. I feel you may be from the Liverpool/North West region of the UK originally, as am I 😊 too, sorry if that’s incorrect!….also the last few minutes filmed in Reine in this particular episode was amazing. I’ll watch every episode, but this will now be my 1st stop should there be any other stories such as the Bayesian in the news….. thanks 👍🏻 Jan

[@ro19gat]

Your pronunciation of Airlie beach is perfect! Well done 😁

[@wanderlustasia]

haha i didn't think so. It's pronounced AIR LEE

[@r312du6]

Small correction : Andromeda is still called Andromeda , it’s the bigger one formerly named Ulysses that is named MULTIVERSE now ( I think so that Graeme Hart keeps the name for his new Feadship ( I think ) Every time a vessel is called “unsinkable” by the builder and to the press … get to the life boats😂. MY Savanah looks cool.

[@gabrielabadi0223]

I was going to write it haha It’s indeed Andromeda which has the grey hull, I took the pictures. Funny enough she went through the Panama Canal on it’s way to the Bahamas apparently and now Multiverse (the one with the blue hull and larger in size) it’s on it’s way to Panama

[@BitcoinNewsTodayLive]

Small correction, the 2 mast ketch rig will weigh a similar amount to a 1 mast sloop but the latter will have weight higher and that is what necessitates the additional ballast. In short it’s the location of the weight, not the amount of weight.

[@angelapantony6593]

Thank you for your insights and careful analysis of the current information regarding the precious lives lost in the tragic sinking of the Bayesian. Kudos to you and your team!! Sure appreciate your work. Have a good weekend as well!

[@user-xc2kh2im6j]

Thanks so much World Peace

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Thank you eSysman for the update on Bayesian sinking + more..... Old F-4 pilot Shoe🇺🇸

[@grondhero]

The CEO reeks of taint. I won't be surprised when the investigation is over that the crew did the best they could under the circumstances and the fault lies with the weather and the build.

[@meinolf153]

The captain almost slept over the storm, failed to lift the anchor, let the anchor drag. If that is the best he could I wouldn't hire him.

[@randyjude3046]

​@@meinolf153 ummm lifting anchor in the middle of a storm? " Letting anchor drag"? And as for sleeping through... There's more than one person on watch, sleep is a thing nowadays 😂

[@meinolf153]

@@randyjude3046 of course not in the middle of the storm but much earlier, by looking at the weather forecast. Such as the schooner next to it, which strangely enough managed to lift the anchor in time.

[@Paul-ik8fm]

​@@meinolf153how ould have the skipper known the severity of the storm before it happened seems like a freak storm event

[@meinolf153]

@@Paul-ik8fm The weather forecast predicted the storm exactly as it occurred, violent thunderstorm with downburst was predicted. And it wasn't a freak storm.

[@marcuskelly5768]

You are the best on boating reviews. You get straight to the interesting relevant points. Thank you.

[@antonomaseapophasis5142]

8:05 In reference to hatches and openings, this boat was designed by someone who has designed sailboats for rigorous sailing conditions for 40+ years going back to a very successful sailing race boat named Imp in 1970's The original design of the Bayesian boat would have assumed the boat could be blown over with the mast horizontal. It is not a maneuver that is.done on purpose, except in sea trials, but it is a normal possibility that would be incorporated in the design. It is not optimal sail trim, but is within normal to have the side decks in solid water. I imagine that with the mast all the way over to horizontal, pointing downwind, the hull would have presented a big wall out of the water which would have been pushed by the wind. This may mean that the deck of the boat was acting like a scoop, and pushed water up into the interior.

[@scabthecat]

Maybe super yachts should not be sail assisted. Vents for engines, aircon, kitchens etc would down flood during keel over angles that pure sailing vessels could experience and survive.

[@antonomaseapophasis5142]

Looking at the tracking presented here on my phone, I haven’t noticed wind and current being noted. I think I read the boat was anchored in 35 meters, and it sank in 50 meters depth. I don’t know how much scope was set, or if that is a normal anchoring depth, but it would appear the boat dragged anchor. Adding it all together, wind direction, current direction, dragging anchor, mast laid over pointing downwind, windage of exposed beam of the hull could account for some of the unexpected headings shown on the track. These elements may have combined to scoop water into the interior.

[@tonythompson5419]

I love this channel and been following you for a few years now but as a former Royal Navy and Commercial Diver I had to laugh at the photo you used for explaining what the Italian military divers were using. This Standard gear has not been used for decades. I would image the diversity are now using surface decompression to gain more bottom time.

[@tapinviewpastoral]

I thought heavy depth commercial divers often ‘lived’ in compression while the dives were on

[@ruger8412]

100mm is 4in for the Americans

[@barrybrockbank5705]

😊

[@print-master]

And England

[@gwiyomikim5988]

100mm = 11.8 barleycorns (approximately)

[@alexmarshall4331]

In "Church of England" too👉🧿👈

[@SidPotter-ug9fu]

The subject of a Mistral has never been mentioned. Very similar in instant severe weather . I did my weather homework several years ago while as the Captain of the MY Sea Falcon. A fast drop in barometric pressure in the summertime in the northern Med is a sure sign of high wind coming of the Alps hitting the warm water of the Med result Ina Mistral. Several large and small yachts have recieved extensive damage and in several cases sinking. I still believe the MY Coco Channel sank because of a Mistal

[@gtrzero2157]

what a joke claiming the yacht is unsinkable. any man who says that, I'd never ever ever buy a boat from. That is the exact kind of absolute crazy talk that someone who is clearly lying and afraid he is going to be held responsible for clearly building a boat that is in fact very sinkable. so sad.

[@markkunath8440]

The Trump of yacht design! 😂

[@gtrzero2157]

@@markkunath8440 indeed.

[@jimtitt3571]

The yacht was built in 2008, Constantino took the company over in 2021.

[@AndyUK-Corrival]

They said the Titanic was unsinkable until it sank. Mr CEO is saying the yacht is unsinkable…. after it sank…hmmmm.

[@gtrzero2157]

@@AndyUK-Corrival 100%

[@Syndr1]

Hi Esys, everybody seeming to forget about the freak Squall that came out of nowhere.

[@robvaneck5410]

I know skippers who only allow crew that they already know… or that they know their father for instance… this way they have more guarantees that they are good people

[@annsheridan12]

It’s not rocket science, the downburst knocked the vessel down beyond what she could recover from and openings allowed water ingress a nd down she went.

[@eslofftschubar206]

That is not how it works. this is not a 6 meter daysailer. the inertia of such a ship is huge. I have sailed with different sized boat, the difference between a 6m, 10m and 15m boat are immense. the reaction time of gusts on a tiny boat is immediate, on a 15m boat its almost non perceivable.

[@annsheridan12]

@@eslofftschubar206 however a 150 mph downburst would easily do the job as demonstrably it did, the open hatches aft for the generator did the job as she sank stern first.

[@olasek7972]

Yes, could have been that simple, in other words regardless of the design, mast height, etc, whoever was there (similar tonnage class) was doomed

[@annsheridan12]

@@olasek7972 called a non negotiable storm.

[@hb1338]

@@annsheridan12 Ignorant speculation and circular logic. Explain why your very specific assertion, which is based on almost no evidence, is the most likely of the many different possible explanations for how 'Bayesian' foundered.

[@GlendoveerEngineering]

Great accounts of events with non judgemental delivery. Thankyou for this channel. As always will keep looking for updates on bayesian sinking with sadness of the soles lost. May they rest in peace.

[@felixcat9318]

From the very beginning, Constantino has constantly, vehemently blamed the Crew for the sinking and for the deaths! So much so, in fact, that I am reminded of one William Shakespeare and a quote of his, "The Lady doth protest too much, methinks". Despite there being no evidence to support his rabid allegations, Constantino has seemingly made it his life's work to blame the Crew, including the Chef, whom was killed during the sinking! Wholly untroubled by any actual, factual evidence, he repeatedly slanders the Crew as being soley responsible for his company's "unsinkable" superyacht laying on the sea bed and multiple Very High Net Worth Individuals being deceased! There are concerns that Italy might prefer that the Italian builders and Italian authorities that certified the vessel are not seen to have been in any way liable for design or construction aspects which may have rendered the vessel prone to suddenly taking on huge quantities of water, and where that would lead... The French authorities were overwhelmingly eager to close the book on the ill fated superyacht YOGI suddenly becoming an artificial reef...

[@noelht1]

I’ve said it before. Having lived and worked in the southern most reaches of Europe, ‘it’s not my fault’ is the war cry the second even the slightest thing goes wrong.

[@annmcdonald6180]

​@@noelht1 totally agree......

[@slopermarco]

​@@noelht1Maybe you're right, but I wouldn't make it too much of a "geographical" question. Even Boeing immediately after the 2018 Java disaster rushed to say that its 737 Max was the safest plane in the world and that the crash could not be caused by a design flaw. 🙄

[@tellucas]

Even if a recorder was not required, it's a luxury yacht. Why not include some verson of a recorder. Even many modern cars have an ECU that will record seatbelt, engine, speed, and braking status prior to impact.

[@ues5587]

it hasn't been great advertising to describe any ship as "unsinkable" since the White Star Line tried that with the Titanic.

[@charlieschultz4446]

hi there , from Sydney , Australia , after being a resident of North Queensland , I can honestly say that , the correct pronunciation is ( as sounding ) AIR - le Beach . gratefully yours Charlie Schultz .

[@kathleennelson6692]

This is a very enjoyable channel. Thank you

[@pacoxxi3302]

Maybe that's one reason why the Bayesian was anchored a hundred or two hundred meters from a large rock that juts out into the water. another reason is that you didn't anchor well. My dears, if there is no second, the first doesn't go to sleep, if the first one goes to sleep without a second and misfortunes happen the first one pays the most!

[@dougcargill6730]

The drone footage of MY Savannah at the end is spectacular. Where is she anchored?

[@engineeronno2371]

AIS data is most accurate when using a gyro for heading and ultrasound for speed. Placing it on the first spreader and relying solely on GPS data during stormy conditions can lead to significant fluctuations in accuracy and high inaccuracy in course interpolation.

[@TexasCannons]

Love the channel

[@louisavondart9178]

In the photo at 02:24 you can clearly see a large open stairway on the aft end of the saloon. When the boat was knocked down, that would have allowed tons of water to flood in. From there it's a straight shot down into the guest cabins. What a death trap.

[@bhmavrik]

I find it highly suspect that one of the first press conferences given was by the yacht maker proclaiming that the sinking of the vessel and the loss of lives wasn't his company's fault.

[@rtdgreg]

The fact that black box recorder is not required is not evidence that one has not been installed. Not required infers that installation is optional.

[@olasek7972]

Comrade, he explained before, when “not required” means such equipment is practically never installed

[@martiwilliams4592]

Very interesting! Thank you.

[@doogssmee9742]

Surly if the port side door was open the divers would have noticed that on there first dive when they were looking for a way in to the yacht

[@richardvivian3665]

Just my observation as a yachtsman. If I was the captain of that boat I would be fully aware of how vulnerable the yacht is to sinking. It’s pretty obvious when you look at the construction and water comes in at 45degrees and the vanishing angle I’d be nervous as hell in any storm with a boat like that. I’m not saying its the captains fault because a down blast is impossible to predict. But I would say that if there was even a hint of a storm I’d have the keel down on that pos.

[@tabletennisforfans7868]

And people to be advised leave the yacht

[@timothybliss3799]

Agreed. Tim Bliss

[@hb1338]

The position of the keel made very little difference to the stability of the vessel.

[@paulhenry7]

The canvas roof is interesting.

[@olasek7972]

It could be the key to this sinking

[@redjacc7581]

Italian special forces divers are very very good.

[@letuswalkinthelightofthelo5350]

The problem is, the yacht floated upright until it didn’t. Too much ocean in the yacht caused it to stop floating upright.

[@captainwin6333]

The Italian yacht builder is getting out there first with his own narrative. I'd safely ignore everything he has to say and go with the official investigation.

[@christopherg2347]

If you claim your design is unsinkable - you definitely messed up the design.

[@paulputnam2305]

Great job on your video work! You also have a wonderful weekend too! Thanks.

[@TM-yr3pc]

Ceo is not stupid. He is attracting attention to himself but with a sense of impunity. Who (really) owns ISG?…

[@pozer9119]

Just came across your channel, love the videos mate. Keep up the good work

[@jfkastner]

Episode 386 - Talking about Harddrives, CCTV and Data Recovery ;-)

[@ruk2023--]

There are three footballers that play for the same team living in the apartment building I live in. They must be planning something then.

[@joedevlin9493]

It's weird (from a UK perspective) to have all this guessing and opinions aired on TV before any official Expert investigation is concluded??

[@MrPagnu]

Pretty typical in my country, not even air crashes are spared poor journalism, TV is real trash in Italy

[@annafdd]

There is nowhere near the same amount of reporting restrictions in Italy regarding ongoing investigations.

[@nadir8804]

​@@MrPagnuTrue,news media and talk shows in Italy speculate on many events for days on end instead of keeping only to straight info on investigation updates.

[@mmtutes]

I lived for many years in a small community in a rural beach area of Australia. There were a dozen or so houses. Two of them were lived in by sailors that had sailed the world twice together, in a 30m yacht. Both were English and had met when one of them (the owner) was looking for a mate to sail with. When the owner sold and settled his mate settled a couple hundred kms away. But eventually moved near his friend. Strange? No. Unusual, yes!

[@anne4083]

Anyone else think it's time for black boxes to be mandatory on all boats no matter what size.

[@peterevenhuis2663]

Maintenance yearly is expensive plus even a simple setup is extremely important expensive

[@joeordinary209]

Definitely not, why? The engine was probably not running, what does a black box help on a plane parked on a airfield?

[@sauter1]

No

[@GunShark0]

Don't be silly.

[@donatass.4699]

Please add "luxury" to your question, so that people stop mentioning "expense" as if it plays any role in these type of boats :)

[@laboursoflove]

That’s really helpful. Isn’t it likely that those doors were open to the guest sleeping rooms making an easy ingress torrent? It’s the speed of sinking which implies a huge volume of water came onboard in short order implying the entry hole was reasonably large. Thank you for your expertise.

[@hb1338]

Water ingress via the deck cockpits would be many times faster than via the shell door.

[@bsteadfast]

Beautiful video at the end ❤ I love your channel, such great and classy reporting. Thanks 😊

[@mm-yt8sf]

the ceo sure is devoting a lot of personal time to tell everyone it's a perfect yacht 🙂 [i thought it's part of the design what the critical angle for not righting itself is for the ships....so no one is saying the ship shouldn't have falling over and not gotten up especially with a super long mast...but that it shouldn't have sunk?]

[@londonman8688]

the company they just bought depends upon it

[@brianmockba5984]

Small Correction - 10:50 MY Nord is filmed leaving Abu Dhabi in the shot NOT Dubai as mentioned.

[@fabioprimaio8503]

It's a funny channel, Bayesian was built 16 years ago and she sailed in any condition until this tragedy. On the other hand, we have an anchorage on tilted plane bottom (see local bathometric) near well marked shallow rocks(see nautical map), turn off motors engine during strong wind (opposite than nearby vessel), no chain recovery(wrote in any basic manual) a Captain on the bed after a great party, based I suppose not a pure water. What is wrong? Vessel design, great job!

3.03 In Spanish it’s the same: “puerta a puerta” (“porta a porta” in Italian).

[@londonman8688]

was there a storm or a random down burst

[@olasek7972]

both, there was a storm albeit not a very strong one