Diving Further Into The Fallout Of The Arizona Coyotes’ Imminent Relocation

[@pizzaratlord]

I love that they have a segment going in on names of a Utah team and then follow it with a segment on tone deaf takes.

[@dylanwynkoop4578]

You guys can complain about Delta Center all you want but the facts are it has more than double the capacity of Mullet. Playing in an arena that small is an embarrassment to the league

[@Utonian21]

Comparing it to Mullet Arena at all was ignorant, and just a horrible take, lmao. I grew up in Utah, and the arena is much nicer post renovation. They clearly have no idea what the hell they're talking about

[@jasonm1838]

Has no one informed them that Utah has approved 900 million for a new arena if Utah secures an nhl team and an another 900 million for an mlb stadium. It has nothing to do with the Olympics

[@Utonian21]

I question the authenticity of it taking a decade for Ryan Smith to build a new arena, as well. As you pointed out, he already has approval from both the state, and the city. Meanwhile, there's still no guarantee a new arena will be built in Phoenix at all.

[@caferacer99]

There's more to the Roadrunners leaving Tucson than just how it effects the team. My daughter is 9. She's played Junior Roadrunners hockey for 2 years. If the Roadrunners leave, we won't have a sheet of ice here in Tucson for next year. All the kids who play here, and there are a lot of them, will be left without anyplace to play. There is supposed to be a new "ice den" type facility being built down here in the next couple of years, but it won't be next year. These kids are being left holding the bag if the Roadrunners leave.

[@arcadeshift5071]

15:40 The Minnesota Twins AAA affiliate is the St. Paul Saints, partly owned by Bill Murray. They play at CHS Field, a beautiful modern park in downtown St. Paul. Only an 10 minute drive when players get called up to the big club. PS losing the Roadrunners is a big blow for Tucson. Those fans, staff, and players give a shit about this news.

[@ashishcardwell1698]

Smith has already indicated he wants to build a NEW arena. He just got a grant from local govn't for $900M to help in that effort. They have plans to build it in downtown SLC. I've never heard from anyone suggest that buildout is 10 yrs away. Most have prognosticated 3yrs.

[@ChrisStinson]

It's not the arena, I think it's Meruelo wanting to make a quick $500M to help pay for his GSR upgrade and arena in Reno.

[@Eagleknight815]

That's what my guy tells me. One rich rat 🐀

[@ctownaqib]

Utah doesn't have the same arena problems as Arizona. They have the same problem as Denver had when the Avalanche moved there. They broke ground on a new arena 2 years later.

[@jeron3966]

It will most likely start the end of this year. The governor and city mayors in the whole valley are backing it

[@Utonian21]

Bro's on crack if he thinks it will take 10 years for a new arena in Salt Lake to be built, lol

[@elosogonzalez8739]

NO MORE MERUELO IN PHOENIX! That's the problem. I don't know how any fan would want to invest their hard earned money, to invest another decades of lies and abuse. This ownership DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE FANS!😢

[@newsie05]

I’m not a Coyotes fan, yet I found it important to write this list: Coyotes fan boycott list: Former owners: -United HealthCare -Branded Cities -Rick’s Cafe in Jamaica -SimpleBet -KnightSwift -BlackBerry -Athens Kallithea FC Connected to Smith: -Qualtrics -SoFi -SeatGeek Meruelo Group: -Sahara Hotel and Casino -SaharaBets -Grand Sierra Resort and Casino -KWHY 22 -KBEH 63 -KDAY 93.5 -KLLI 93.9 -KLOS 95.5 -KPWR 105.9 -Fuji Food Products(sushi delivered to and/or sold at grocery stores, universities, high schools, etc.) -FujiSan restaurants -Okami -Wandering Gourmet -FujiSan products -Commercial Bank of California Jazz sponsors: -Delta -Toyota/Lexus -Ford/Lincoln -the state of Utah(unless you live there) -LiveView Technologies -Qualtrics -Vivint -Coca-Cola owned drinks Real Salt Lake sponsors: -America First Credit Union -Domo -Domino’s -Ford/Lincoln -Great Clips -KeyBank -Anheuser-Busch owned beers -McDonald’s -Toyota/Lexus -Wendy’s If you are a Coyotes fan, do not go to these businesses or buy their products!!!

[@Blasthole]

Good luck

[@maryannellis2434]

Thank you guys so much!!

[@mt_machine]

44:18 I have no idea who that agent is Miller is referring to, but to my understanding, limited NTC lists can be updated/resubmitted before the beginning of every season (per 32 Thoughts Podcast). So that take doesn't make any sense at all.

[@ChrisBrown-sl2ym]

Let’s forget about the hundreds of millions dollars spent to renovate the Delta Center in 2017 lol

[@Utonian21]

Ikr? They're acting as if the Delta Center hasn't changed since the 90s, lmao

[@elosogonzalez8739]

What happens to the arena in Glendale?

[@Eagleknight815]

The Arizona Rattlers from the Indoor Football League I become the anchor tenant. They also have shows and other events as well. Glendale arena is not shutting down anytime soon to my knowledge

[@JustMikeTV]

51:00 if that was the case why not move into Footprint? Ask the Sun's owner of they could lease the building around their schedule and I'm sure NHL would have accomodated it. Just like they made a schedule with Utah Jazz in mind. This would have been the best case scenario. A respectable arena size for the next 5-6 years until a new arena is built.

[@ChrisStinson]

Coyotes asked the Suns to share their arena and the Suns said no. The Coyotes wouldn't have got any money from concessions or parking or advertising at Footprint anyway, similar to the reason why they moved from there to Glendale 20 yrs ago. Glendale was a bad location for week night games, majority of fan base in east valley didn't want to drive 90 min in traffic to go to a game. Then Glendale wanted Coyotes to sign a 20-year lease in 2021 and the team said no and went to Mullet. Yes the Utah move sucks, but if Meruelo didn't buy the team in 2019 the NHL would have relocated the team anyway.

[@JustMikeTV]

@@ChrisStinson but that's why I'm not entirely blaming it on Muerelo. Coyote fans can put the blame on Phoenix Suns owner if he wouldn't let them rent his arena for a few years while their arena is built. This isn't just one thing as you stated. This is a case of a combination of things in the last 20+ years. Previous owners. Not a winning team and fan interest. There are fans. But maybe not enough. But I'm just surprised the hosts were always delusional about all this. Even I, who have no insider knowledge said it would make sense to relocate the team and in 5 or so years get an Arizona expansion team. How can the hosts act like playing in a small college arena isn't a big deal for 4-5 years when a potential arena is in the works?

[@ChrisStinson]

@@JustMikeTV I don't think anyone should knock the Mullet unless you have gone to a game there and didn't enjoy it. I've been to several games there and the Coyotes fans and especially the out of town fans love the experience. Even the visiting teams rave about how good the ice is and the outdoor warmup area and huge modern locker rooms. Tickets are sold out and are the most expensive average price in the entire NHL. The Coyotes had it's 4th highest revenue from ticket sales in team history playing there. There is no minimum capacity rule in the NHL/NHLPA CBA and the arena meets all of the NHL requirements. But the team loses money from lack of advertising, concessions, parking, etc revenue and I agree small attendance is not a good look for the NHL. As a fan of hockey the arena is an amazing NHL experience and I'd keep going to games there for as long as it takes.

[@JustMikeTV]

@@ChrisStinson of course from a fans perspective it's great. A smaller intimate venue is going to be a better experience as a fan. Who would want to be in a big size arena in a nose bleed section and hard to see? But this is supposed to be the number 1 hockey league. Can't brag about selling out a 4600-5k arena. If they weren't selling out then that's a bigger problem. Teams relocating isn't something new. It happened a lot. Just not since 2011 in NHL.

[@ChrisStinson]

@@JustMikeTV I agree, kind of ironic/karma how Phoenix took Winnipeg's team and now SLC takes Phoenix's team. Who knows, maybe AZ will get an expansion team one day. If the NHL can't make it in the 5th largest city in the US then that says something about the NHL. Anyway, good chat, thanks.

[@Utonian21]

Is the Delta Center old? Yes. Is it anywhere as bad as they made it out to be? No. The arena was actually renovated a few years ago as a response to its age, in which they installed newer, more comfortable seats, added in new clubs, and renovated the locker rooms and other facilities, along with adding more concessions. It's true that the arena was built with basketball in mind, so while hockey is possible, the sightlines aren't ideal. That's why Ryan Smith has committed to building a new arena specifically for Hockey. Comparing it to the Mullet Arena was just straight copium

[@squeekywheel9591]

I feel for the fans. Every city will have this issue when arena plans are up in the air. Every city in every major sport has this happen-no arena is always a big deal. My gut is the best Yotes fans can hope for is a new franchise deal with new arena strings attached. They'll be back in the city in five years. The NHL wants the market, but they need to establish leverage for their negotiations on a new arena. I think this is what it's all about. They've lost leverage in Phoenix and can't get the deal they want. When they have a billionaire ready to write a check in the wings, it's hard to say no when you can't get a deal on an arena development.

[@Blasthole]

If Smith could get a deal to use the Maverik center while they build a new arena in slc then. The Maverik center was built for hockey for the Olympics and has 10,400 capacity. It's the best solution, not the issue is that Smith doesn't own it, West valley City does

[@mt_machine]

Guys, first I want to wish you and all the other people affected by this the very best for the future. However, I have to agree with @worldrummer. You, as fans of an NHL team, have been in an incredibly privileged position over the past DECADES, to have your team be granted so unbelievably much leeway. No other franchise has ever gotten a get-out-of-jail free pass this many times. As much as it sucks for you as fans and people, other locations and different ownership deserve the chance to develop an off-ice product that is not as much a dumpster fire as the Coyotes have been. It's time to relocate.

[@ChrisStinson]

In 1996 when Coyotes first moved to Phx, if one owner owned both the Suns and Coyotes and they played in a downtown arena built for both sports (i.e. Kroenke in Denver) the Coyotes would have been solid from day 1 and never had any "dumpster fires". It all depends on who the owner is, not the fan base.

[@evanmiller7602]

Utah Stormin Mormans

[@Phil00484]

Sad to hear.

[@tim.kaiser_aka_timmaay]

You're just like a bunch of Apologists on religious radio. This isn't even sports talk.

[@kevinsherman420]

I mean, yeah the Delta center is old... but at least it exists. I feel so much sympathy for the Coyote fans. Its not fair that the team is being moved. But it feels a little weird that on the pod today it feels like we are partially blaming Utah for the move. Lets be real, its the owner whose at fault.

[@ecgrif]

with the Coyotes moving to Salt Lake and the Roadrunners moving to Tempe would the Salt lake Grizzlies (ECHL) move to Tucson?

[@DanielGomez-io5bx]

Slat Lake City Bandits

[@bountyhunter7975]

i feel like crying. .... i think its time for a drink

[@moonytheloony6516]

Don't be so melodramatic.

[@worldrummer]

As a life long Winnipeg resident, I'm embarrassed what your state did to our team. We didn't get a decade of garbage attendance leeway to goof around and try and figure out how to house a hockey team. The second y'all renamed to Arizona, the team should have been moved. It's been embarassing to watch and I'm not sorry they're FINALLY facing relocation.

[@2018josh]

Sometimes weak people get online to troll. It shows how pathetic and small some people can be. Ur comment illustrates that.

[@cansomebodyturnitoff]

Don’t worry buddy, you guys are getting that garbage attendance now! Congrats!

[@2018josh]

@@cansomebodyturnitoff bro I’m not even a local fan. I’m a CA based yotes fan. I’ll follow them if they relocate. I will follow them if they ever come back in 20 or 30 years. It’s a flight to one airport or another to me. But the Winnipeg douche above is shallow. He needs to get a hobby or love from a parent or a hobby or something.

[@worldrummer]

@@2018josh 4700 seats and you still have tickets available to potentially the last game ever. Outside the Arizona bubble your franchise is a laughing stock. But okay. Sorry for dropping some truth that hurts your fee fees.

[@USC_LAKings28]

I’m a diehard LA Kings fan, and I have to say Winnipeg 2.0 will be coming to Arizona again. Your attendance this year with a top team is still atrocious. Winnipeg doesn’t deserve an NHL team since your current franchise can’t even sell out right now.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

You guys put too much trust in Meruelo believing he could pull off all his virtual plans that never saw fruition. For 6 months everything Craig Morgan said about the Coyotes has been WRONG. Stop being shills, challenge, ask questions, be skeptical. Were you even aware that the Mayo Clinic wants the state land. Have you reported that the Coyotes weren’t paying their hotel bills? Yet you said repeatedly that the new arena was a go. How can you find $3 billion to build while not paying hotels for housing your players.

[@chrismurphy9492]

Salt Lake City Wives

[@davechan8613]

Salt Lake Sister Wives*

[@sit2go]

@@davechan8613 Then the expansion team can be called the Arizona Abortions 😂

[@jasonaltig985]

Arizona Theocrats.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

@@davechan8613Sorry Charlie, the SisterWives are in Arizona not Utah

[@davechan8613]

@@bobbypaluga4346 I wasn’t referring to the TV show, but the general practice of Polygamy in Mormonism.

[@bobbypaluga4346]

I told you so……. No new arena, the Coyotes move to Utah

[@ZeroGhostEight]

75 minutes of high end delusion

[@lawrenceturner3891]

I would same long in for coyotes in Salt Lake City and different colors blue white purple brown green next season a black jersey and white jersey and red jersey Salt Lake Coyotes SLC Salt Lake Coyotes Utah Coyotes SLC Salt Lake Huskies Utah Huskies

[@russstephanson6987]

"Who gives a shit?" really? Petey is an ass. If he really cared about the Yotes, not just his personal interest, he should care about the development system as that is the way to a competitive team. No wonder the Coyotes have been a tire fire of a franchise for 20+ years. I hope the next chapter for the Yotes is one where there are people with integrity are part of the solution.

[@paulbolognese463]

Hi Craig love the torpedo hat. Do you follow them in the khl. The nhl is a business like any other. We rarely hear the disdain when the auto or steel industries move.

[@GuyIn801]

Faults with the Delta Center? Really guys? This is laughable and clearly you've never been inside it. It's remains one of the best arena in the NBA for basketball fan experience. Locals DONT want it to go away. While boxy and dated inside ir lacks nothing inside. An NHL team in SLC will get a hockey arena here stop with your nonsense. You're coming across as a bunch of crying school girls more so than sports fans.

[@lawrenceturner3891]

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[@tyandbrand]

Lol, mentioning cold winters of SLC and ignoring the brutal summers of Phoenix.... Yeah, you're not butthurt at all about SLC....

[@habs4life41]

Huge mistake if the yotes move.. they just need an arena and need to be in the playoffs again to sell out. Look at the 09-10 and the 2012 season.. you saw the arena sold out with 90% yotes fans.

[@GoodMenstruationAttitude]

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