In this video I install a new window on a old house (DIY) with some tips and tricks. Feel free to comment and ask questions
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@user-vh2hf5nd9w4 жыл бұрын
Not trying to be a chooch, but you need to install flashing and prime your trim boards on all sides to seal prior to installing. Never caulk bare wood and priming all sides prevents future rot. Obviously not necessary for Azek or hardy board type material. Good basics though! Like i said, not being snooty, just trying to inform
@Germanloverfromchina Жыл бұрын
Good to know! Great advice ty?
@BMfixit Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm installing new aluminum windows on my daughter's log house. Wood wrought has attacked this old house and I'd like to make sure the new logs don't deteriorate. Thanks for the heads up
@antennaegrimmett27829 ай бұрын
👍🏽
@mlewisml974 ай бұрын
Good advice i am gonna looking up the how to details of your advice and aply it to when i instal my window.
@soup4u8023 ай бұрын
Wish I read this sooner. Good job. Now people will know the important things.
@spir51028 жыл бұрын
As a woman, I don't care what color the tape measure is, I really appreciate you taking the time to make this video . VERY HELPFUL!
@roddaman75456 жыл бұрын
Don't do your windows like this. He skipped the most important task in window replacement - keeping water out.
@tdelrio4 жыл бұрын
Lol! You left out the part we all wanted to see.....removing the old window!
@julianbedolla39383 жыл бұрын
Prybar?
@roserouge89383 жыл бұрын
I remove my widow and I pulled on my frame it was not even nailed Into anything
@JobeStroud3 жыл бұрын
@@roserouge8938 Same here. Slid right out. Mine was held in by the trim.
@roserouge89383 жыл бұрын
@@JobeStroud they did a lousy job building my house!
@sirvayr3 жыл бұрын
@@JobeStroud Mine is held in by the paint LOL
@maddie690ify9 ай бұрын
Flash the bottom corners with window flashing tape. Then flash the bottom. Put a continuous bead of caulk around the sides and top of the nailing fin. Not the bottom. Put window in, shim to ensure it is level. Then flash tape the sides, then the top. Then caulk.
@clintr95158 жыл бұрын
Hey man, thanks for the video. This is what KZbin is supposed to be about. I learned something without a bunch of hype or commercials.
@ParisvonRabenau3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for coaching me on the install. It is more than I thought it would be adding wood. I thought I would simply remove windows, clean the existing widow frame and push in the new. But am up for the challenge. 19 windows to do.
@retroburden2 жыл бұрын
How did you do? Or how are you doing so far?
@ezekielstout38206 ай бұрын
I’m sure you’ll be a master by the time you’re done 😅
@robertpreston69955 жыл бұрын
Where is the moisture shield or flashing or weather guard . The most important part you forgot. Before you make a install video you should first learn how to install properly yourself.
@myhauntedislandhome624 жыл бұрын
I don't like Trolling Videos but I was about to say the same thing. That is the most improperly installed window I've seen all year
@joepetrick39735 жыл бұрын
It is a new construction window. Not a replacement window. And that is a great video of why not to hire a handyman and how not to install windows.
@FreshCityVentures6 жыл бұрын
"my suggestion to you would be to take the trim off" That is a great tip for removing an old window. I'm not sure how I would have done it otherwise! THANKS!
@GSUonion8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I'll be replacing one that's in worse shape than this. It's on a General Store that operated in the 30's and 40's. Your video helped me get a better picture of what to expect. Thanks again,
@michaelg.gartman11486 жыл бұрын
Where I live the rough opening has to be wrapped including putting a pan under the window. After installing the window you have to wrap the exterior as well as make and instal head flashing. It looks like your just relying on caulk to seal out the weather?
@smithmalcolm62176 жыл бұрын
Well should definitely use flashing at least on the sill to protect from water. Then what about squaring/leveling window with shims before install ? Then missing sealant which goes under nailing strip...missing vital steps !
@zilfondel2 жыл бұрын
He didn't do any of that. This window was installed like they did in the 1940s.
@edwardluth77402 жыл бұрын
Flashing first then windows and caulk. Flash all new wood and bring out a little.
@vdubing012 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY the video I needed. Old house, same siding and matches my skill level. Thank you!
@RM-lk1so Жыл бұрын
Dont FORGET the sill seal. And the vapor barrier and calk
@kewlztertc53867 жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing me I need to hire a professional!
@roddaman75456 жыл бұрын
Theo, If your professional does it like this guy, fire him.
@secretmuse4203 жыл бұрын
@@roddaman7545 😝👍🏽
@roddaman75453 жыл бұрын
@@secretmuse420 I’d forgotten how horrendous this was. ‘Caulked the crap out of it’?? Ugh.
@frankdalton4833 жыл бұрын
That's funny. That's what I say about auto maintenance now days.
@JanYi20237 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great and simple video. I am a mechanic by trade and never have replaced house windows, but after watching your video I am pretty confident I can do it. Thanks again.
@brianrausch77572 жыл бұрын
Well yeeeaaaaah. Evidently a blind person can do it.
@shanemandoh4202 жыл бұрын
@@brianrausch7757 bet you can’t find a video of that
@shanemandoh4202 жыл бұрын
@@brianrausch7757 I suppose we are her for the same thing? How’d yours go.
@emorywhitehair13416 жыл бұрын
It is a rough lesson! Always good to get an idea from other people's work and build on that the best you can and keep improving!
@jber95693 жыл бұрын
Yes. Makes the video only partly useful.
@cdavideakin2 жыл бұрын
Great video! You just need to add flashing. I am redoing the windows in the house my Dad built. He didn’t flash the windows and I had to use larger windows in order to cut out the rotted wood at the bottom. Modern caulking is great BUT miss a small place and water WILL get in!
@bigjohn87958 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about all the rude comments. Why are they watching instructional videos if they already know everything? At least you took the extra time to record it.
@PlateletRichGel7 жыл бұрын
Because I'm always trying to get better, to be a craftsman, to do things properly, with the right application of caulk. So I might charge more for this, and lose the job to a dooosh who does it wrong and covers his tracks with two tubes of caulk. There are windows like this which last hundreds of years without leaking. in New England.
@MrCougar2147 жыл бұрын
I watch these videos because i'm a broke mofo that can't afford to do these things so I live vicariously through others home improvements.....lol
@trnrbryn907 жыл бұрын
Jaran Schwend just for everyone watching, i watch these videos so i can comment and tell our customers to stop doing dumb shit. Everything you did and installed was completely wrong. I take pride in my job, i work 5-7 days a week, my crew puts in 30-45 windows a day. Apartments we hit up to 145 windows a day. Theres nothing worse than getting caught up on a crappy window installation where the owner thought they could do it themselves. Call a professional! This is one of those things where u dont skimp out on. Ur better off leaving it alone than opening crap up and making it worse
@archaicroger6 жыл бұрын
Actually KZbin recommended I watch and being old school and trying to learn from complete dumbasses like this fella is why I just couldn't stay retired from exterior remodeling after 34 years. You should have had your new unit in the opening within 10 minutes of being set up but instead chose to remove the entire old window. There's nothing wrong with the existing window frame but rather the sashes yet removed it. It was STRAIGHT with the house and not level and you removed it and leveled the new unit in. I can spot these leveled windows, now crooked, in a straight house with outstanding accuracy. Good luck with the outside trim fitting back where it came from too as the window isn't straight with the house anymore. Are you sucking up extra work by making the job far more complicated with on the job training for $30 an hour? The industry standard is to cap replacement window facings with metal where a guaranteed seal can be made and never with dirt attracting silicone.
@roddaman75456 жыл бұрын
Roger, Unless he knew the old window frame was water-tight, replacing the entire window is sometimes a better bet. People use replacement windows and after installation wonder why their walls leak - it's because the original window was leaking at it's perimeter and the replacement process didn't fix that. Not saying replacement is always wrong, or right - you have to identify the problem.
@DTRAX335 жыл бұрын
great video, this helped me in replacing a window in my house that was built in the 30's.
@ilovecubes85985 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Appreciate your advice to go 'smaller' and not bigger--to avoid headaches. Thanks!
@SlawKingOG7 жыл бұрын
I am watching this video to learn how to do this and this video helped so much. Great Video. Thanks and Thumbs up.
@lylachristopherson8656 жыл бұрын
This was actually helpful for me. "Use a slightly smaller window' . . . seems like common sense, which I apparently do not have.
@MMGlassSurrey9 жыл бұрын
The explanations were really good, though you could have improved the lighting especially indoors. Thanks for sharing!
@gailandrus76672 жыл бұрын
Can you come to my house....I have a few old double hung windows with those weights that need to be replaced! 🤣 Good Video!!! Thanks!
@TheeJeffrocco6 жыл бұрын
Always use a wet rag when caulking. It will allow you to clean your hands and wipe the excess caulking smooth.
@Rarebreed6 Жыл бұрын
Thank-you Sir. You video helped me alot... and Thank-you again for taking the time to explain everything good day from San Antonio TX 01/13/23
@Crazzilla3 жыл бұрын
This is an old window, in an old house. This is the old house without the old window. This is the old house with a new window. There seems to be a lot missing in between.
@la1965 жыл бұрын
Preparing to replace a bedroom window in an old condo. The existing window is aluminum framed junk (mid 60's) and I just know the framing underneath is not in great shape and was simply an overall terrible install. Either didn't care, or just simply works without their heart in their workmanship. You answered a question I was asking myself. Getting ready to purchase an Anderson sliding window this weekend! But was asking myself if I should order one for "new construction" or replacement. Because I don't expect to find the framing in optimal condition around the existing window, I'll go for the new construction window. Thanks for the info, very helpful!:).
@mariatorres92949 жыл бұрын
Tnx for the post. I would like to see the tear out and actual install though:)
@hh72584 жыл бұрын
Tell me about it! I see the professionals remove the window in one piece. They use a sawzaw..
@douglasthompson27408 жыл бұрын
For future repair or removal I like to use pancake screws on the nailing flange. Simpson Strong Tie makes one variety that works well but there are many others just get the true pancake head. Also read the directions as most windows do not want the fastener seated tight but up just a hair for expansion and contraction especially on vinyl. I would also use one of the flashing systems before installing. Good video. Doug
@MarcellaSmithVegan5 жыл бұрын
Gosh, I wish I could see what you are measuring and what you are doing
@volcanowb2 жыл бұрын
Love your 'realness ' brother! Wish more folks weren't afraid of 'just being themselves'! The project turned nice1 And, the inside trim looks handsomely done. On top of it all and more importantly your daughter was by your side!
@jimmieromero81813 жыл бұрын
How do you seal it? Just bought a home where they installed new windows around the house and it just rained today and its leaking from the top of the window near the frame on the inside of the window. It trips down onto the top of where the window slides.
@michaelakins85975 жыл бұрын
thank you, I just replaced a couple windows, im going to go back and do some extra stuff thanks to your ideas
@theshit19602 жыл бұрын
Hello they are replacing the windows in this house we are living in. Was this your home ? Did you live in it while you did the replacement? Can you tell me how to prepare for this ?
@1971mav Жыл бұрын
Very helpful. I have installed replacement windows but I have window i want to replace a window completely. This gives me an idea what to expect.
@auserg11173 жыл бұрын
I don't know why when somebody tries to help somebody else. they're always fools did try to find the negative out of something that pretending to be good. yes! it may not be perfect but he did a great job and the whole idea was to give somebody hope that they can do it their self. For you professionals out there why won't you make a video step by step and watch people find your mistakes. And see how you feel. Don't forget we all are "born to live to teach the die" God bless you all
@Bryan-fn6lp Жыл бұрын
It would have been nice if we could have seen the interior walls and the actual work from start to finish.
@byronc72847 жыл бұрын
A lot of haters here. Like 10 years ago, i installed a window and did a lot of mistakes, the mistake i didn't do was that i caulked it really well. 10 yrs later i opened it, and no water in it. lucky i guess. sometimes getting hung up on the small details doesn't help. Good job on the installation.
@bigcamote10803 жыл бұрын
Attention to detail makes a job look better. Caulking...just hit it with a wet rag and it leaves no edges. Scoring the edge of the old paint leaves it looking better. Thanks for the video.
@ELPeeDubYou6 ай бұрын
Nice pink tape 👏 Nobody's gonna steal it!
@koh98942 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂 That's a lot of swearin.. i LOVE it. Gonna use that one Thanks for the lesson
@Zinkevm14 жыл бұрын
Great video for tips, but you skipped the whole “putting the window in” and the caulking part of the video! Which is what I needed. 😢
@derrellgraysr10574 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@wade59414 жыл бұрын
Then find another video. He was very clear that the objective of the video was sizing the window.
@aforsy4 жыл бұрын
@@wade5941 the title isn't clear at all, and that's what leads most people to click on a video...
@educatedonealways62813 жыл бұрын
@@wade5941 which he didn't do
@jessicavandrunen59768 жыл бұрын
after laying a bead of caulk, cover it with windex then smooth it out.
@eagl02154 жыл бұрын
Jess Wheels going to try this and see why. :-)
@shawndicamillo67384 жыл бұрын
As long as you keep a wet finger and rag youll smooth it out just fine ......windex is useless
@oldfart269 Жыл бұрын
I know what you say about picking a smaller size. Try putting a window in a mobile home! Available sizes: 30x54 and 30x48. My rough opening measured 30X52. One length of 2x4 and one piece of 1/2" plywood took care of the problem. I had a guy tell me that I shouldn't have done it, but what can a person do? I sure can't afford custom built windows!
@jeremysmith96243 жыл бұрын
Pre-stain or paint the trim first, then install and touch up
@jm-wi5ob7 жыл бұрын
thanks buddy I do tiles but I need to change a window for someone this helped.
@uriel0002 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video I wanted to see how you close around the edges.
@DB-cx6cb Жыл бұрын
You work great in the dark!
@doloressalomon57328 жыл бұрын
who even has sash windows anymore? Video still was helpful. We are doing one right now…..but here's the thing that you didn't address…how do you get behind the siding?? There was a deck built after and on top of the siding at the bottom, and an overhang to cover deck on top. New window is smaller, etc. etc. Thanks tho. It's still nice of you to share your knowledge. Sincerely, Even girl can do it
@charliedillon60972 жыл бұрын
Great job bud.. it is what it is with the window plumb its a win lose situation
@cookinitmax2 жыл бұрын
It's always good to use some sort of backing rod to seal gabs in window. I just had to redo 10 windows inside out side fun stuff.
@rigidarm80266 жыл бұрын
Nice job Dad and helper! Thanks for taking the time to do vid.
@MrRkrug6 жыл бұрын
Rigidarm thanks for watching
@jaredmiller874018 күн бұрын
If you had rebuilt the weighted window and put a storm window on you would have had a solid window that lasts another 50 years AND is more energy efficient than that modern thing. Not to mention you would have kept it original to the house. New is not necessarily better.
@chaptonconstructionllc16178 жыл бұрын
You must remember to install the correct sill pan, side and head flashing or the window will leak and your warranty will be void.
@PlateletRichGel7 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@fordnut49147 жыл бұрын
haha warrentys aint no good half the time any ways they always give you the run around on why they wont warrenty its always users fault .
@robbjoyce6 жыл бұрын
You don’t install a sill pan with a flange style replacement window.
@scrateshooter6 жыл бұрын
really? what sheds the water to the outside of the siding?
@roddaman75456 жыл бұрын
Robb Joyce You absolutely DO install a sill pan - every time you can if you're putting a new window in a rough-opening. If your dropping it into an existing window frame (replacing the sashes) then the pan is trickier, but still a good idea. For the standard install in framed rough-opening, there are lots of ways of approaching it and you don't need to use metal always. For instance, Anderson's instructions utilize flexible flashing like Tyvek FlexWrap and a post-applied back-dam.
@MrNanah38 Жыл бұрын
Nice video but I would get some windows tape to water proof the opening.
@jaybecker21329 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, this helped me a ton. I have the same windows and same problems.
@jefflosey15615 жыл бұрын
This is just a Homeowner doing his own install, he didn’t do anything to WP transition at all...the wood around that window will be rotten in months from the finish of installation.
@seattlespartyguy8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. You made it so easily understandable. Thank you.
@CounterCODE18 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks for the help. Gonna attempt to replace all our windows a little more confident now
@jkrug808 жыл бұрын
Take your time , watch a few more vids and It will turn out O.K.
@denver33696 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information, I feel a bit more confident approaching such a home project.
@lorchri147 жыл бұрын
appreciate it, but people do more research than this one video to determine best practices for your purposes. that's about as nice as I could be about that.
@jeremyreevessicg22184 жыл бұрын
Yes you are correct! The info is very questionable
@maciejfassa43942 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up. I want to leave with this, for good windows in affordable price I suggest Dako.
@qmax-en5ry6 жыл бұрын
He didnt seal the window with self adhesive membrane. Also hed used yellow pine wood on the outside trim. Incorrect onstallment
@iprofox37583 жыл бұрын
Caulking?
@qmax-en5ry3 жыл бұрын
Caulk will fail eventually since it was apply on bare yellow pine wood., is better to apply self adhesive window wrap around the window prior to install the trim moulding, and then apply caulk around the edge .
@leuchtag15 жыл бұрын
Should you flash the sill and even put sill pan underneath window to prevent water from rotting studs in wall under window?
@zilfondel2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you should. Drop edge flashing at the top, tape wrb over it. No sealant at top. Flash the jambs. Sill pan flash where the window sits. No sealant at sill to let water drain.
@janeseymour1781 Жыл бұрын
@@zilfondel where does one find written instructions for these steps?
@kerriburton42568 жыл бұрын
Thankyou very much. You helped to make a daunting task(for some) a doable task. God Bless You
@danielvalentine28257 жыл бұрын
good video....advice...came in real handy today when I was switching out an old window w a new double hung...thanks
@kendal44522 ай бұрын
Nice window but the vinyl siding was jacked up after the installation. Not sure how it looked before the install. I've got to install 3 windows, and I've got vinyl siding too, I'm just going to call Lowes and let them do it. I hope they don't leave the exterior looking jacked up.
@lulumorryka59767 жыл бұрын
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@johnnybvera782 жыл бұрын
Perfect just what I was looking for looks like my house.
@kalisvarkrom99375 жыл бұрын
Looks good. You could rap the wood in metal, would look better and last longer.
@mlkmlk40268 жыл бұрын
you didn't show the most important part of the install which is the flashing to waterproof the window.
@jonm7005 жыл бұрын
he skipped that step he said it in the video did u watch it
@johnvalentinocruz44675 жыл бұрын
I agreed
@melchgarnicajr57985 жыл бұрын
Should be title how to install new window in old home skipped all steps use your imagination.
@gizzardliz45765 жыл бұрын
MLK MLK - don't use treated lumber either and just paint the 2x4. Lol. 10 years from now. Need new window.
@KevsGuide5 жыл бұрын
@@melchgarnicajr5798 lol
@jameshorrocks29395 жыл бұрын
This guy should be happy with his work. He shouldnt be teaching others though. Totally skipped flashing to keep water out. Flashing also prevent drafting. Dont use his instructions.
@wade59414 жыл бұрын
Was not the scope of his video. He even stated that his objective was the sizing of a window for an old house. Plenty of other video that demonstrate flashing and water proofing if that is what you are looking for.
@sirvayr3 жыл бұрын
"Caulk the crap out of it" Been there done that. Silicone is your friend
@patrickdengate9 жыл бұрын
The interior scenes were useless. I recommend re-shooting this with some LIGHT on the subject. Also, removing the old window was basically just mentioned, without explaining how it was held in-just "these old windows come out pretty easy."
@thedeathdealer20088 жыл бұрын
+Patrick Dengate patrick are you a youtube movie director?
@kzrr70097 жыл бұрын
Patrick Dengate exactly
@SN13506 жыл бұрын
I agree, inside shoot was bunch of crap. Take the time to show how its done.
@somethingidk88756 жыл бұрын
not a lot to explaining demo. take the shit off. not sure how much instruction is needed
@vinniemass2 жыл бұрын
I managed to watch the whole thing, no big deal
@a.b.59254 жыл бұрын
great video but you need a low lux camera feature that will pick up the light when in darker areas.
@Tutoringservices6 жыл бұрын
great video thank you for showing the details for how to chose the window size.
@noahvogt4 жыл бұрын
Are you doing any flashing tape or metal flashing at the top to deflect water?
@urScorpioLady7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. It really helped me.
@SuperWoodyboy8 жыл бұрын
Dude!..you don't nail every hole in the nailing flange!
@AndoMANIAC4 жыл бұрын
Usually you do for andersons
@sashasokolchik3149 Жыл бұрын
How did you add siding to this window? What insulation did you use between the window and siding?
@CheapskatesNetworkcom7 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see you take out the old one! These old houses have all sorts of shit holding them together, so i would love to have seen how you dealt with the problem...:-)
@soup4u8023 ай бұрын
No flashing?
@hangingman16 жыл бұрын
Where is the 30#Felt paper you have to install on the bottom shelf and sides before the window goes on? From my own and my friends experience. If you dont add that felt paper.. the bottom of the window will rot. As you saw before you took out your window. This is what many people or people that think they are doing a great job. Only for it to rot on down the way in a year or so. If your going to pay quite a bit of money on the new window. Wouldnt you want it to last you more than a lifetime?
@liquidjungle1237 жыл бұрын
This window kind of reminds me of when I came home from school and there was some dead guy stuck in the smashed window of my apartment. He'd been trying to break into the place, but instead gutted himself on the insulated glass. That was not fun trying to explain that to the police.
@arki_kat34824 жыл бұрын
It's 2019, I would like an update whether you now have water damage or not, because you did NOT put flashing around the opening before installing the window. This installation is not water tight /sealed at all. Guys, please do not install your windows this way. The main thing about installing windows is to keep water out of your wall by use of flashing and water proofing membrane.
@missparadise8792 жыл бұрын
Exactly, thank you!
@chrisschlis9440 Жыл бұрын
Good info. Thanks for the video!
@desirabledeals4u3 жыл бұрын
WOW.. Was really excited to watch this how-to video!!! Then, Screen goes black when you enter the house... WTF!!! Guess ill switch to another how-to video... WOW... no thought behind the filming of this vid
@mercyndoro708912 күн бұрын
Wen the opening is a bit bigger than the frame you make adjustments at the bottom or at the top?
@notgoodtosee3311 ай бұрын
Very hard to see inside the house, need some lighting. Would make this good video even better.
@candacebrewer10963 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Im replacing 4 windows.
@le91867 жыл бұрын
So by getting a smaller window , how are you going to trim the outside - cover the gap with the old siding?
@Spiderelectron8 жыл бұрын
Didn't actually show any of the important bits - I know, you can't work and hold a camera at the same time, but this is youtube we need to see what you're doing, not just hear you talk about it.
@yamaha420c6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Covered some ground that was very helpful.
@JoseSanchez-xd1oz2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing,your knowledge.
@The123doug8 жыл бұрын
Great job,thanks for the tips
@jkrug808 жыл бұрын
+Doug Barry I will do another vid next window.. some of the interior shots could have been better . I can't believe this video is getting as many views as it is .. thanks for watching.
@CodecFace8 жыл бұрын
Great video! This resembles my situation more than any other video! Question for you- looking straight down, there's that gap between the base (bottom/sil/stool, whatever it's called) and the siding. What is that material? On mine, it looks like wood that has become sort of fuzzy and I can break it apart easily. I'm wondering if I should fill it in with some kind of mud or place a base board that extends just to the end of the gap/inside edge of the siding. Thanks!
@brianrausch77572 жыл бұрын
So did u go ahead and do something about it or r u still waiting on an answer. I would help but i have no clue what ur talking about. Prob. insulation though
@chopsu1236 жыл бұрын
Nice and simple, straight to the point. Good video
@scott370403 жыл бұрын
7:10 You skipped the part I was interested in. Did you install the new window on the bare wood 2x4? Water on wood = Rot. You gotta protect that 2x4 on the bottom. As a homeowner, I don't want to have to replace that same window ten years from now.
@LegalVideoMan3 жыл бұрын
With that wood sill you'll be ripping it out and replacing it again in 15 years. PVC won't rot.