DIY Polishing Stropping Plates w/ 80k grit!

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[@hunszaszist]

How did I get here? Google's bots are getting more sophisticated, knowing what I'd be interested in even before I do. Good job, Google. Subscribed.

[@dimmacommunication]

Ardusk Algorytms today are getting smarter :)

[@Burrfection]

welcome. thanks for watching and stay in touch. many more giveaways and knife DIY projects on the way.

[@hunszaszist]

Exactly!

[@EagleRun23]

ME TOO!

[@MountainFisher]

I use one micron diamond compound for my leather cutting tools, works quite fast and is cheaper than buying aluminum plates. I have belt grinders for making knives, but past 400 grit it just gets too hard to put a finish on. I made some leather belts and used diamond to put a mirror finish on faster than ever. One micron is 15,000 grit according to the micron grit size chart. 60,000 grit is one half micron. Use a cutting oil on those fine grits. 40 microns is 500 grit.

[@garethbaus5471]

I wasn't sharpening a knife, but the finest polish I have ever put on a peice of metal was finished with .3 micron aluminum oxide and the results were so flawless I might try to make a setup capable of sharpening knives to that level of polish soon.

[@MountainFisher]

Try 0.1 micron diamond compound, 100,000 grit, fairly cheap on Amazon. I find that 1 micron or 15,000 grit is more than sufficient for my leather cutting tools. Diamond works quite fast.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@MountainFisher I used a series of diamond compounds to reach a mirror finish and switched to the super fine aluminum oxide for the SEM.

[@MountainFisher]

@@garethbaus5471 What is SEM?

[@garethbaus5471]

@@MountainFisher scanning electron microscope.

[@MountainFisher]

@@garethbaus5471 I should have known that. I'm a retired biologist/engineer, but it didn't occur to me you were polishing for SEM analysis. Shoot, now they have atomic force scanners.

[@awhite69]

I wandered onto your channel from a woodworking channel to which I subscribe. I really enjoy your videos - excellent presentation, thorough coverage of each topic, be it stone, knife, or in this case, stropping plate. ... With regard to this particular video, the one thing I struggled to understand is why you took aluminum blanks (which are already flat) and hand sanded them, not even using a sanding block or diamond plate with a known flatness? For stropping with 30 micron film or finer, surface flatness is key. It seems to me that you would be better served by just specifying a guaranteed flatness level from your machine shop, something they could easily achieve with a CNC mill. In any case, thank you for putting out such great content on knife sharpening. Keep up the good work!

[@rotex]

I use glass tile 3"x12" about 3$ for the 3M Lapping film to sharpen my straight razor and my Spyderco knives. I need to make a video on how to put it on the tile to prevent air bubbles. I use simple green or olive oil. When it wares out pill film off and clean the glue off with Goo Gone then soap and water. Thanks for your Videos.

[@sammyblackchow9541]

A trick I learned on decals, Scotch Cal or contact paper is spray it with Windex. You can slid it around anyway you want then use a squeegee to soothe it out

[@bodeine454]

Or you could just spread some lard on those plates with a cement trowel and fart on them after having my best friends ex wifes cooking and sharpen them on the fart dust? Just kidding, I don't really use lard!

[@alfredomarquez9777]

After reading several comments about stropping on leather, I felt the desire to share my own experience. I was using a piece of leather loaded with the green compound (most probably Chromium Oxide) when stropping the blades of my planes and chisels, then I saw a video on sharpening a plane blade on the youtube channel of Tamar Hannah, a self-taught woodworking girl, and she uses a piece of MDF instead of leather, applying the polishing compound directly on the MDF... And got noticeably better results! It seems that the firmer and flatter surface of the MDF deforms less under the pressure of the edge of the blade, resulting in a less convex geometry on the edge. I do not have a microscope at hand to check if that is true, but the results I got were repeatable, as I kept going between the leather and the MDF, and found the MDF better.

[@williamfigueras9754]

You can put the excess on a metal rod to make a sharpening rod.

[@Burrfection]

haha. not a bad idea!

[@EagleRun23]

The grey is 5 and the white is .03 microns. You mentioned a green one. It's 1 micron. I have a set I was going to mount on wood but you changed my mind!

[@Burrfection]

unless you have REALLY hardwood, and a plainer, i would not put it on wood.

[@EagleRun23]

I have both, but for some reason I never thought of aluminum blanks/bars. Great Idea. Have you seen the TS Profile system? I have one that I really love, but I DO sharpen by hand too!! good videos, I enjoy your stuff new sub

[@giog1313]

Burrfection I need to be aluminum plates or two how can I get a hold of you

[@18magicMARKer]

0.03 micron? that's smaller than some viruses! highly doubt it...at least not at this price.

[@gongjin]

i like your videos since they are very thorough and i have learned a lot. having said that, i hope you can provide timestamps in your description to indicate what part starts where (like sharpening on "x" grit - "x:xx", stropping - "x:xx"). this would be very much appreciated to avoid having to fast forward and missing any important parts.

[@Burrfection]

thanks for suggesting that.

[@larrybrantley2292]

The rust erasers are great. I use it to take the hard right angle from the edge of the stones and many other things.

[@buddhamack1491]

Really interesting take on stropping. I may consider this in the future. Let us know how long they last before they need changing. Looks like simple system once you have it all set up. Using compounds on leather strops requires maintenance. You have to clean the compound off every now and then and re-apply. This may turn people off (even though it's really easy). I made my own strops and they're great for maintaining an edge, strop once a week and barely need to sharpen your knives. The rust eraser has a 1000 uses! I love my rust eraser. Anyone that's interested---I bought some kangaroo tail leather (very thin but toughest leather in the world) and glued it to a couple of pieces of wood. I ended up with 2 double sided strops for around $50 AUD so $38 USD Maybe $45 if you include the glue and wood, but I already had those. Some cheap stropping compound, 3 types, medium to very fine and a plain leather side for finishing. This can make a mirror polish, even after only going up to 1000 grit stone and can get scary sharp. Works on very hard steels too. It's a nice way to pretty up your knives and get a wicked edge. Don't be scared to try things for yourself people :)

[@Burrfection]

think they'll last a long time since i'm only stropping on them

[@mruffinit]

This is a great idea you have come up with. I can not wait to see it in action. Keep up the excellent work. I learn a lot from you.

[@Burrfection]

lots on the way

[@Hurleytube]

No matter what new hobby or obsession I get into. Its funny how they all lead to diy art projects. Maybe art projects is what I'm actually in to loo

[@Burrfection]

true!

[@afrog2666]

When applying film to a flat surface you should start with one end, and lay it down from there, to avoid bending and bubbles. With a rectangular surface like this you could line up two corners, slightly bend the film, and just slowly lay it across the surface. The first adjustment is critical, but it does make it a lot easier to avoid having to take it off to readjust :)

[@Nikosi9]

Or, just peel back just enough of the protector film, position it on one one side/two corners, then slowly pull the protector film off.

[@wilsonline90]

stropping sheets, interesting stuff, especially for the hi grits.

[@Burrfection]

yeah. saves a ton and since you aren't grinding away like you do when you are sharpening, stropping on these have been really nice. videos coming out soon

[@ernie548]

Aluminum , Stainless Steel, tempered glass, CF are all great choices.

[@jasonroets9906]

I just use a piece of moderately dense wood that has been planed smooth as a strop. Works extremely well. It's firm and it holds the honing compound well.

[@Burrfection]

yeah, work and leather works great together

[@jasonroets9906]

i was speaking about using only wood. i have used it extensively to sharpen all my tools and it works extremely well. and when the wood becomes deformed i plane it flat again and just carry on

[@alfredomarquez9777]

@@Burrfection Well, I am following the technique of Tamar Hanna, a self taught woodworking girl that has an excellent woodworking KZbin site and has developed an extraordinary high quality and capability for working with wood in a very short time! Tamar uses a piece of flat MDF, not leather; She applies some green (Chromium oxide) polishing or "stropping" compound directly on the MDF plate, and goes stropping. It seems that the advantage of using the comparatively hard surface of MDF, is that it tends to DEFORM LESS than the relatively soft leather, and that helps to avoid a too-convex apex on the polished edge. So far, I seem to achieve better results than using my piece of stropping leather that I bought at Amazon, and that was somewhat expensive for what it really is.

[@alfredomarquez9777]

@@jasonroets9906 I followed the technique used by Tamar Hannah in her youTube channel, and used a piece of MDF instead of my Amazon bought leather strop... Surprise: it worked better!. The MDF piece is quite flat, and firmer than any leather, so it works better due to less deformation under the pressure of the edge under stropping, getting the edge less convex.

[@edwrd1990]

Really cool idea. I would think that it will work better on some sort of glass or ceramic. Thank you for the suggestion, keep up the good work!

[@PaulK390S90V]

You need some wet/dry sandpaper Ryky! I just found some on Amazon 120 grit to 3000 grit 42 sheets for like 8$! I find I need it all the time

[@Burrfection]

will pick some up!

[@bryanr.3241]

I'm a firm believer in stropping on kangaroo leather on glass and magnet on bottom. I use an emulsion that last quite a while. A .1 micron emulsion is equal to 160,000 grit. Thanks for your video

[@TerryPullen]

I find that baby kangaroo is best, nothing older than 6 months. ;)

[@haylspa]

actually it's 120,000 because 12,000 is equal to 1.0 micron simple math you divide 12,000 by micron percentage you wan't to find your rated grit/mesh mesh and grit is the same number simply the answer is how many hole/abrasive particles can fit in 1 square inch

[@haylspa]

it's actually 12,000 per micron, industrial standard if you are buying emulsion compounds they are over-rating there products but be standard they are suppose to rate it by the largest particles in the compound not the smallest!! over rating is a habit the cheaper compounds do! for example most of your 12,000 true Japanese water stones rate there stones 12,000grit 1.0micron a guy on here on youtube has been trying to rate his emulsion/stropping compound as 160,000 0.1micron which is a rating of 16,000 per micron, any ways pointing being look up the standard and not what just any company throws at you! this is very important now at days because there is alot of products on the market now at days that have way over rated specs then what they really are more noted in this is cree led flashlights and batteries!!! Naniwa uses the actually numbers from there smallest particles they use the 12,000 to 1.0micron math formula! another example I am a micro farmer don't have every thing posted on my channel off track any ways point being I buy fabric pots from china hears an example of there over rating there two gallon size rated bags are actually one gallon! quite literally one gallon and there 3 gallons are actually two gallons, another kick to the nuts is there five gallon rated bags are actually three gallons etc, not joking this is the actual specs being off that bad :( flashlights for example are so over rated it would put the most talented con-artist whip out there pen to take not's for fear of getting put out of Business, don't even get me started on the batteries (to late!) they actually have massively overated specs stamped right on the batteries from the manufactures!!! specs the most advance batteries on the market can't touch with a ten foot (1,000ft) pole! I mean absolute shit batteries (10mah rated at like 3,000mah!!!) if you are buying from a company that is saying 1.0micron is rated above 12,000grit they are already falsifying the information there giving you and you might want to avoid there products not buy into it

[@haylspa]

not totally sure what you mean by that, but it's fine, :) I actually enjoy sharpening it's relaxing and some how emotionally satisfying, have a great night

[@leovelenza697]

Tanks for videos, I studied a lot, everything I need, and I spend nothing! Hold on!

[@Burrfection]

right on

[@RndomFX]

great video and concept, but you need to realize using your fingers and hand when sanding doesnt sand true or straight, as your fingers put different pressures on it. always use a sanding block. and ya, apply the paper that is slightly larger than the block then use the razor against the block and trim it up to fit with the surface facing up and the blade at a slight angle to put a angle on the edge and it will fit perfectly.

[@robertoalfalla256]

Very Kool.. I would love a set of plates...

[@pseudosam2458]

I would be really interested to see a knife sharpened with nothing but sand paper in the budget whetstone series. It would be kind of like the control group. Also I'm very interested to see how well these plates work when you test them.

[@Burrfection]

haha.... sand paper.... will look into this

[@wilsonline90]

I first started with sand papers. Work good, convex the edge a bit. But the sheets don't last long. Still use then time to time.

[@EduardBobrik]

Hi Ryky, I wonder, do you use Touch ID on your smart phone? You polish your finger prints on daily basis, does it work??? I had a trip with my son to stone mine, we were half day messing with stones, tree days later my IPhone still refused to recognize my finger prints:)))

[@Burrfection]

no..... my iphone 6 cannot read my finger tips anymore.....

[@VidalesJorge]

Hey man, how long would the film last? Would I have to re apply the grit often?

[@Burrfection]

testing, and will know in a month or so

[@chriscotton4207]

any confirmation on how long they last?

[@doublepoil]

Up !

[@bensampson1553]

12 or so sharpenings each

[@solosaroman]

This 3M microfinish are so expencive.OMG

[@emilianochavarin7145]

Ikr

[@radustanciu2445]

Nice vid and very good info!

[@Burrfection]

right on

[@BTH_Ocala]

Great Vid. I'd like a set of the plates.

[@joeynuggetz]

Totally should have lapped those plates on granite this way they'd be truly flat.

[@xabc1]

We're hand sharpening I don't think that level of precision is ‭necessary

[@gregworrel2623]

Good idea. Granite tiles are only about $10 for a 12x12 so it might be an easy cheap option if you have a wet saw to cut them or can have them cut at a tile shop.

[@ChefMeetsWood]

leaves milling marks. at this grit, it would translate to the knife

[@J276]

This is really relaxingm

[@zentex99]

super cool idea

[@meijikenbootes]

I can't really get to find the sample pack or bundle pack of the 3M PSA backed lapping paper on google, or any major online stores. I only saw them in a 3M's online catalog. Anybody has other recommendation? Or i could also get some sort of adhesive tape to tape some other sort of waterproof sandpaper on the metal plate instead?

[@vasilismanatos8288]

They are really chip this films but how many of them you have to buy? How often you have to change them? The stones are much more expensives but you must buy 2-3 of them for ever!

[@dougswaby575]

Thank you for another great video. I was about to order some microfilm but it is kind of spendy and I was not sure how long it would last or if it would really be cost effective. I use diamond paste all the way down to .5 micron on leather for stropping right now.

[@buddhamack1491]

Diamond paste can be pretty costly too. I'm curious how long this will last too. Easy to clean and re-apply some compound to a leather strop.

[@Burrfection]

long term testing on the way

[@dougswaby575]

i use different leather for each grit of diamond paste and I find that once the leather is loaded with paste it lasts a long time and takes very little diamond paste to recharge the leather

[@ravescience2000]

Wow, good job 😉 big like👍👍

[@Burrfection]

right on

[@davehendry2519]

what are the dimensions of the plates?

[@xabc1]

Dave Hendry I can give you a guess. LxHxW 8" x 1/2" x 3" aluminum

[@garretthaley314]

Hello, can anyone find this pack of paper? Thank you

[@bearnecessitits]

Any corrosion issues so far with using the aluminum? Like raised white spots or white colour developing on the aluminum? Just curious, our metallographic lab has constant issue with aluminum plates used for lapping.

[@Burrfection]

never seen the aluminum have any problems. will do more videos addressing flattening and long-term use

[@crozzno3454]

Methodical video all always. I like to make my edges shine if I have the time.

[@Burrfection]

right on

[@justinlawton8000]

I'm deff down to purchase two of those plates dude

[@Burrfection]

right on. i have about 7 left. send me a private message

[@giog1313]

Burrfection what's the price for two

[@Burrfection]

right around $30 shipped anywhere in the US. give/take couple bucks. $10 per plate, and $9-$10 shipping. where are you based?

[@justinlawton8000]

I'm just seeing this now? Any plates left? Not sure how to private message you I'm sure if you message me I'll get a notification and be able to figure it out..hope your up I'm a little ahead in time than you are as I am in Troy NY

[@ShalomYal]

Hi I was just about to order on Amazon but I noticed that they sell both aluminum oxide sheets and silicone oxide - What did you get?

[@recoilrob4765]

Do you still have metal plates for sale?

[@3obardThawn3]

that's a good idea. thanks

[@Burrfection]

right on

[@3obardThawn3]

I might try out out...

[@immk9988]

There's a good chance you touched on this earlier, but I couldn't find the answer in your other videos: What is the difference between the less-expensive King 1000/6000 combo and the King KDS 1000/6000 combo?

[@wilsonline90]

I'm not him, thought: I think it's quality, don't have them, just saw his videos, yes, he have videos on both stones. The KDS is a good one. The ks 65 is just as other cheap chinese stones or a bite better. The cheap ks65 wear very fast, like a joke stone to me. Take a look at Ha No Kuromaku, premiun stones at an ok price. For a kitchen knife, I think a 100 grit is ok. Remember, hi grits lose the edge faster in most knifes an uses.

[@Burrfection]

i have talked about it briefly, but just ordered a new KDS so i'll do a full side-by-side series on them

[@j.d.1488]

What size are the plat?

[@ureasmith3049]

I'd buy 2 of those plates.

[@Burrfection]

email me at [e-mail]. thanks for watching and stay in touch. many more giveaways and knife DIY projects on the way.

[@StaySharpFacas]

Any place that can produce flattening plates for stones or DIY, I live in Brasil. And 100 dollars are expensive after getting here, weight, shipping charges customs etc. I want to produce then to resell with my stop ki t Great channel by the way

[@Burrfection]

i get them produced locally in Los Angeles. they are really heavy to ship in quantity to Brazil.

[@TerryPullen]

Go to a local glass shop. Ask for 12mm thick in a size that makes sense to you. Have them grind the edges to take off the sharp corners. You can have it cut to 1/3 of the size of a piece of sandpaper or cut to fit multiple grits side by side, your choice.

[@stubbybutt8839]

Why didnt you stick first then trim the excess???

[@Mrplacedcookie]

Interesting! Nice idea:

[@Burrfection]

right on

[@__Pre]

I did it on a flat surface because it has infinite grits

[@jermih]

Any chance the plates and sheets are still available?

[@neutronstar1633]

Those are Aluminuim plates you had cut to size?

[@MegaWeagle]

Thanks for the video! That block you were using "rust remover" can you provide a link to that? Also I used my stones for first time ever last week. There is a couple shiny pieces on the 6k grit side how do I get those off?

[@Burrfection]

here you go amzn.to/2nUd9wd

[@MegaWeagle]

Burrfection thank you!

[@dymone4894]

I have found my next project.

[@kretieg]

I would like a set just like you have there. Did you decide to make a batch?

[@ernieflores1]

Burrfection do you have a straight razor strop video?

[@Hurleytube]

Been a while now for this video. Any new thoughts. How long did the sheets actually last you.

[@Hurleytube]

Never mind man. Just read through the comments lol got my answer

[@tundraotto]

Your Amazon link listed goes to playing card size sheets....too small.

[@Bruno089100]

Sorry, but i dont understand, i am Argentinian. That is sandpapper or similar ? How can I search it here ? Thanks

[@bensampson1553]

imagine it as sticky backed sandpaper that you stick to a flat surface

[@jared5638]

i just saw the youtube video and would like to know where i could get a set of the aluminum plates?

[@Burrfection]

www.etsy.com/your/shops/Burrfection1shop/tools/listings/513962990

[@TerryPullen]

There in the aluminium lapping plate isle of your local Home Depot. Really... go see.

[@christianhansen3292]

U sell these too or is this just a prototype experiment?

[@christopherstaples6758]

I use glass plates

[@phillipal-redha4910]

Why not use glass plates? no rust and perfectly smooth

[@Burrfection]

easy to break

[@srak1875]

try breaking a small piece of tempered glass then

[@DoggoWillink]

Those won’t rust, they are aluminum. Aluminum doesn’t oxidize the same way as iron. Stainless steel does not noticeably rust either. It is easier to get a plate of aluminum or stainless steel for most people.

[@davehendry2519]

so how much would it cost for you to send me some of those plates?

[@GhiaSteve89]

Hey man, how are these holding up? I'm looking for the PSA backed stuff online but having a terrible time finding any.

[@Burrfection]

the coarse and mediums last about a dozen sharpen sessions so far. finer grits will last longer.

[@Burrfection]

have fun. amzn.to/2DYxJm5

[@dizzolve]

you should probably lap those plates instead of hand sand

[@hernancoronel]

How do you know the plates are flat? You should flatten them on a known flat granite plate with finer and finer grits until you get to the same grit you are planning to install on the plate. I will gladly watch that video! Keep up the good work!

[@DoggoWillink]

A micrometer

[@justinlawton8000]

Just the plates

[@haylspa]

1 micron is 12,000 grit/mesh 1 micron is equal to 1,000 nanometer's so 80,000 grit would be .15 microns :)

[@Burrfection]

my math stinks

[@haylspa]

You totally Awesome at what you do you really are but!,, I am going to get on you about this, I do not care how much your experience shows you on your math or counting skills, you are not your experience! look say you are improving and working at it trying to get better etc it's not a lie and you are getting the same point across without negatively enforcing some thing you really don't want in your life and don't listen to that comfort voicing that says it's me why bother to change/can't, seriously stop enforcing it!

[@francescomazzara9380]

can you help me find a films?

[@garethbaus5471]

I think there is a link in the description.

[@rijaca3]

Rykyi, are you still selling the aluminum plates?

[@Burrfection]

switching over to tempered glass plates.... much straighter and comes polished... will post video update soon

[@ChefMeetsWood]

definitely interested in the glass plates, keep up the good work brother!

[@rijaca3]

If you decide to sell them, let us know. Me first. ;-)

[@isaacsrandomvideos667]

And I thought 600 grit was fine.

[@crumb_]

This is my ASMR

[@Burrfection]

haha. thanks for letting me know

[@Burrfection]

more like it coming kzbin.info/www/bejne/a37Wo2Srfdmpaqs

[@justinlawton8000]

Any plates left?

[@Burrfection]

yeah, i think i have a couple left. do you want just the plates? or do you want the plates with the sharpening films?

[@helicopter7280]

Не пойму, сталь чтоли?

[@Chingus696]

Those sheets wear out so fast. Sorry but I don't think that's gonna work out for you. You prob should have just put a piece of paper on a granite plate and lap the aluminum flat first before mounting the 3m sheet. Best of luck to you.

[@Rottidog]

I'd use a piece of brown cardboard for super fine stropping. If not I have 1/4 micron paste, 1/2 & 6 micron pastes for different needs/results. All on blocks of aluminum with leather. Realize that a hand sharpened blade on a whet stone is not going to have a truly flat primary bevel. It will be convex to a point. (depending on the sharpeners skill). A truly flat & thin, with no give to the substrate stropping surface won't cover all the primary bevel. IMO

[@svipull5816]

Hey I got a problem, what is the best way to contact you, I just wrote you a private message over KZbin, not sure if you check these, so yeah. Would be nice if you could answer :)

[@Burrfection]

watching this video and see if it can help kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnmpp5aohLhrbZo. check the description of that video, it'll have all the items used

[@sonicrollin]

cardboard is nice

[@BennyCFD]

So....Not too many things sharper than a straight razor or a sushi knife. They can be made face shaving razor sharp with an 8,000 grit stone and a leather strop. What is an 80,000 really going to do for you.

[@Burrfection]

why not?

[@tylerross3163]

No don't change the razor, sharpen it!

[@Burrfection]

razor series coming soon

[@budm.1450]

You should be using emery cloth, not sandpaper.

[@DANVIIL]

No idea what is going on in the first 4:00 minutes. ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz. . . .. .. . . . . .

[@rusty6583]

Y don't u believe in stroping ?

[@tHeO14573]

Could be a 1-2 min vid, can't see how anyone would watch from start to finish.

[@crazyace63]

I know right. I kept fast forwarding trying to see him do anything. I almost fell asleep.

[@gunny4029]

true, but he means well, i think he explains his sharpening sessions well

[@afrog2666]

Don`t watch then

[@afrog2666]

Or use fast forward lol

[@budm.1450]

Christ!! It's like watching PAINT DRY. Absolutely BORED TO DEATH. I use a leather strop with red compound and all my knives are razor sharp.

[@mrcpu9999]

tedious. And way too long.

[@drewsfjord]

I have the same park spoke ruler lol.

[@ChefMeetsWood]

what are the dimensions of the plate?