DJs Should Stop Playing SoundCloud and YouTube Rips

[@joeriwoudstra]

bout 2 rip this video & play it in my sets

[@sizzle3207]

lol

[@tanyawilliams3179]

+Joeri Woudstra To Funny.

[@hunterguy30]

Lmfaooooo! !

[@djelivate8303]

hahahahahahahahaha that accent doe

[@hunterguy30]

Who da fuck is this guy???The ripping cop?Get the fuck outta here!¡lol

[@aaronvlee7]

DJ City : "Shouldn't play SoundCloud rips" Serato : Serato DJ introduces SoundCloud integration 😂😂😂😂😂

[@caleblackie8564]

Its with a subscription though

[@Nico1978-e9g]

u r missing the point. the fact that you can stream from soundcloud, doesn't mean it's GOOD QUALITY MUSIC. So you can argue, but he is right, no matter what year this video was made

[@CONCRETEJUNGLE-be6ic]

And the QuarterBack is toast.

[@Vitruvian]

@@Nico1978-e9g he's talkin about ripping from soundcloud, basically stealing it with a web downloader, you're prob gonna get it at 128kbps, but if the person submitted it for streaming at 320, you'll stream it at that... I assume.

[@RaquelFoster]

@@Vitruvian Does the SoundCloud integration with a subscription give you better quality than 128 kbps?

[@mmmmigs]

2020 in the middle of a pandemic with djs not even playing in clubs and i promise djs are still doing this

[@Tonyromeo1970]

99% of djs will NEVER play in a club with a sound system good enough to hear the difference.. Especially in today's world of djing that you need to produce a hit song before you can be playing at any super clubs.. The local bar or small club don't have the hi fi sound systems where you can hear a difference.. The systems in these places normally suck. So even if it's the highest quality wav form track it will still sound like ass in these venues.. I can't hate on kids or djs that can't afford to purchase or subscribe to a record pool when it's so easy to get music for free. Unless you're a big time dj, IMO there is no reason to be blowing money on music in this day an age. Swapping Hard drives with other djs and downloading music from soundcloud, youtube, or one of the many sharing websites is as common as your morning cup of coffee. Just google a track and you can find it for free. Unless the price of music comes down to a reasonable cost, then this will continue to happen daily.. I used to buy 12 inch records back in the day with 4-6 different versions on it for 3.99-5.99.. Imports were always more.. Now they want to charge 1.99-3.99 for ONE SONG??? And it's not even a wav.. If you want a wav it's a dollar more... So give me a reason to stand up and fight for buying music instead of overcharging us to buy music.. Sound quality is not gonna do it... Sorry MoJaxx. Not for the kid starting out... Not for the dj that it's just a hobby... Not for the bedroom dj.... And not for the local dj that gets paid nothing in the local bar or club because djs are a dime a dozen in promoters and club managers minds, and if you won't dj for minimal pay, then I will just find another dj that will... And because djs are soooooo hungry to play out in a club or anywhere, they do it for the hopes of one day playing a festival in front of 100 thousand people. Tracks should be .50-99 cents... Then these sharing websites would disappear, and instead of going through the trouble of burning youtube videos, you will just go buy it for 50 cents... Thats my 2 cents. I understand your video and where your coming from, and also that DJ city is probably hurting from all this free music sharing and downloading as well.. But when the pricing comes down to a reasonable cost, then I will be right there with you preaching... Until then I wouldn't hold your breath.. You're fighting a losing battle.

[@roastlonely]

+DJ Tony Romeo you don't have to be playing in a major club for this to apply

[@Tonyromeo1970]

Yes I agree with you... But Im talking about what happens in real life...

[@roastlonely]

***** that is real life. I've been djing 20 plus years

[@pikherz]

+DJ Tony Romeo you can hear the difference with phone speakers...

[@theinfamousdjoo7863]

You know I agree with you 100% that is the real world of DJ I've been DJing since 1984 and I can assure you times have truly changed unfortunately don't know where you're going to make any real money is if you are on that big super club scene at the end of the day local DJs do what they can real DJ do with that must to get a head Lee's DJ that pop up like pop-up books every day when they have a laptop full of bootleg music want to try to call themselves DJ if you don't know your craft if you're not working hard if you're not on the grind hitting the streets pounding the pavement to perfect your craft as well as promote yourself then you're not even close to being a real DJ it takes dedication hard work and effort to be a DJ a lot of people don't understand all the time that goes into the work and you're right these club Owners are scumbags half the time wanting to pay you cheap money for all of your hard work or they want you to be the club promoter like they hired you as some marketing tool to make their Club better so then six months down the road they can fire you when they're paying you top dollar and get the $50 a night DJ to take your place because they have a great play list well if you've been DJing as long as I have you know it takes more than a playlist to be a DJ it takes more than button-pushing it takes skill technical ability music savvy a listening ear and crowd relation to be one of the best DJs in your city state or even country so I just wanted to tell all the DJs out there the real DJ no matter if I know you are don't know you you have my respect and to those who pretend to be DJ hey I'm no hater I'm a congratulator just stop f****** up the game for the rest of us and set the standard for who you want to be as a DJ

[@bboymac84]

Double edge sword topic. I agree when it comes to new music,yes, get the real MP3 form a real record pool. But old music...that's hard to find those records....

[@Mr.Brolic]

👍

[@iampeaking]

old, buy it, discogs.com

[@bboymac84]

Bpm supreme has old songs too.

[@robertroberts9115]

Mac Joseph not a good enough excuse. Hunt those records down, plenty of shops online who offer old skool tunes.

[@bboymac84]

Robert Roberts yes, I dig too.

[@DadOnYT_NL]

To be honest.. I started with rips. There was no knowledge, no expectations or even a good ear to hear the difference. Now that I've grown up my lowest standard for MP3 is 320 and I have some lossless files that I keep myself promising to convert and save some space. BUT when I hear a (new) track and I want to fool around with it for a while or I want a particular part for scratching, I still rip it first before I realize I want it in my crates and try to find a better quality in a dj pool. So to sum up.. There is absolutely no excuse to play a 128 rip of a rip in a club. But I think it's a good way to practice with in the bedroom or even use as a special request (that song that you'll never gonna play again) at a private party.. I know this is a old videos but Love the content.. Keep sharing the knowledge.

[@namboozleUK]

Some of the tracks on DJ City's pool sound like KZbin rips.

[@criticalend]

Couldn’t be more true. I’m part of other DJ pools and some of the tracks are gawd awful quality. Work with what you are able to. If you don’t have $$$$ for downloads - find a way! Be resourceful - and listen to your tracks on a good sound system. Once you start making money, invest in better versions of your favorite tracks!

[@Tech-geeky]

@@criticalend I'm kinda shocked DJ's used rips in all fairness.. and not just there own rips... Someone else's rips.. Basically the same as normal users would do online to grab stuff.. "pros" od the same which is shocking.. There should really be a one drawn somewhere shouldn't there ? If *everyone" does it, even the pros we look up to, how can anyone learn ? I would just ad, unless you listen on pro equipment only, your gonna notice,, In the same way as playing 1080p video at a acceptable bitrate may be ok for viewing on a 32 inch TV, but cause issues on a 50-inch one. Still, for music, there "should" be a minimum regardless where you listen to it right ?

[@therealSunnyDizzle]

I've gotten tracks and remixes from youtube before, many hundred times, and I have gotten the occasional "bad quality" file, which I obviously wouldn't play, but 99% of the time, the tracks sound just as good as the shit I've paid for on Beatport, Crooklynclan and other websites I get music from. and honestly, never, and I mean never have I ever in my 15 years of being in clubs bars and on the radio has anyone ever said to me that what I'm playing sounded bad, or has anyone ever came up to me and said, "Hey DJ, stop playing that 128 kbps mp3 you douche! please play 320 kbps tracks, they sound better!"

[@opamusic9457]

Unbelievable that you can not difference between the WAVE or AIFF Tracks from Beatport vs your "bad qualities". I guess you have a €50 audio system or the clubs use Logitech speakers that everybody is happy with that tracks.

[@opamusic9457]

@David Davesby that kind of answers are from poor DJs which prefers quantity instead of quality. Keep going with your KZbin tracks...

[@Hhajsjeieirhrbbr]

@David Davesby hey did you know there is actually a website you can take a test on to see if you can pick Wav file over 128 files. using decent headphones, funny enough I picked the 128 most of the time. lol

[@hellavisionsmellavision]

This is so true. The shennanigans need to stop. My old friend would rip everything from soundcloud and when he would play it in the clubs, it just sounds embarrassing.

[@dacianchronolog4104]

This. Modern "DJ" don't even listen to the damn acoustics of the venue. and it ALWAYS sounds like shit.

[@ZacharyAghaizu]

What should dos do if the soundcloud song is cannot be bought or downloaded? Is it moral to just get it through other methods since they don't want to sell it?

[@merwanrambeau102]

Whil sound checking on a great pair of F1 dance stacks a few months back, a friends thought that his youtube ripped Call Super track might have been porrly ripped because it sounded badly. I happenned to own the record and have it in my bag at that moment. We compared both on the exact same system just one after antoher, and my friend was so ashamed that he stopped mine after 10 seconds playing.

[@afk1448]

I completely agree with this video and I always try my hardest to find the highest quality versions of songs I can. BUT, I think it can be acceptable provided the song is obscure and unavailable elsewhere.

[@JVOnGreenStreet]

I agree. I’ve found songs on KZbin that are nowhere to be found. Not even on Apple Music. I mean you just have to use the best judgement with that. Don’t allow someone to tell you that it’s not okay because to be honest I’ve found some KZbin files that sound better than some DJ pool files. It’s about making sure you have the right video and not just some lyrics video but the original song video.

[@DjNikGnashers]

100% I play rare and obscure 90-93 oldskool jungle techno, most of the tunes only had 300-500 vinyls pressed and they are unobtainable now. Yes modern house shit buy it.

[@harlemfire]

I hear DJ's Complaining about what others DJ's do. When you're a DJ you have a trained ear to hear all of this stuff and its very annoying but a average club goer with an untrained ear, that knows nothing about Wav, Lossless, 320Kbps, do they actually hear all of theses things? Some of the average ppl that go to clubs listen to low quality rips and probably don't even notice an issue w/ a song being played in the club that came from a youtube rip. I would like to hear there opinions on this issue.

[@itskay96]

and most people get drunk and if you play the worst mp3 file they won't notice xD

[@traxonwax]

So true, on top of that, a good many sound systems in clubs are either poorly set up or are just a victim of neglect and abuse. Also, the average person never gets to hear the lossless version of anything. FM radio only goes up to 15khz, many of them get lossy formatted songs for their automation systems and the one time they do listen to anything that sounds above 96k it's probably stock phones that came with their smartphones.

[@FSwiftDJ]

Many clubbers won't tell, but not even realize that Low quality mp3 on a club systems pa setup pumping out will be not good for the clubbers ears , the DJ will keep pushing the levels up to balance the sound more due to the lack of quality that's never going to be present because of the way it was originally rendered or encoded , he might over do the high more because he can't hear the hats crisp for example ! Bad frequencies too much high range ! normally in a low quality mp3 rip, the high frequencies end will sound poor, the hats will either sound very loud or ripping the ear , no balance of audio

[@mitpoker7319]

Harlemfire It also depends of the headphones that you use. You won't train an ear with $15 cans.

[@dacianchronolog4104]

I hear it very clearly, your tweeters are screaming and your bass isn't even thumping our chests... Blame it on the equipment? Blame it on the gear? Nah... We know who to blame: to not know the system... to not know the music. And you didn't even calibrate it... Train Wreck Choke AND Tone Deaf 70's Disco agent...

[@SULTANRS]

well from my experience people are all drunk so quality is probably the last thing they’re noticing but most of us dj’s especially the ones starting out don’t have enough money for high quality music crates for one full night at a club or a barso we pirate music we know it’s bad but some of us have more important stuff to pay like rent the electricity food so

[@CAL1MBO]

128 KZbin ripper spotted. Artists have bills to pay too.

[@skylerblog]

How can you afford to dj and buy all the gear but you can’t buy a 2$ song off beatport???

[@djpineapple3156]

Dude with record pools it’s a monthly flat rate for unlimited downloads at high quality... so can not afford 20 a month? You make more Than that back in events.

[@DJWixel]

@@CAL1MBO Leave the million dollar artist alone😤😤😤😫😫😫

[@thatchinaboi1]

I only play FLAC. The irony here is that turning on Key Lock (or Master Tempo) by default and leaving it on (like most DJs these days do) using FLAC sounds way worse than low bitrate mp3 rips. So this insistence on having good sound quality is actually bullshit and people are just parroting what they hear other people say. If low bitrate mp3s are so terrible and DJs should care about sound quality of their system, then why MOST DJs these days leave key lock on by default? Obviously all this interest in sound quality is BULLSHIT.

[@_sl3600]

One of the reasons I only bought 320k for a year and went back to lossless some time ago was precisely to cut one transcode out of the "recording mixes then publishing to web players" pipeline. It WAS noticeable. Limit the amount of transformations your source content has to go through until it reaches its final stage as much as you can, it all adds up.

[@killervacuum]

2016: stop playing soundcloud rips! 2021: it's perfectly acceptable to play those godawful AI-seperated acapellas

[@sgtcreasegrease]

YEEEEEppp... lol I mean tbf, if you're using lossless, the stem separation is better but it doesn't sound clean at all. Its cool if you wanna drop something out of a track for a second but, eeehhhh... Maybe I'm just old school.

[@1980HiphopFunk]

Hahahaha. Word !!! My old vinyl records still have way cleaner sound

[@deejayshmoove]

I totally respect paying the artists for their work and actually buying the MP3, Just like a Dj should be well paid to perform (No matter how small or large the venue or event). The question becomes availability. I'm subscribed to 3 different digital Dj pools and every once in a while (about 1 out of 10), its just NOT out there to purchase. Most of these artists and musicians dont have the time to respond to their soundcloud / facebook / youtube messages. What then???

[@Mago.-]

We rip it. Thats what then.

[@Mago.-]

Its not like most of the times you are playing for an audience full of djs themselves. Audio quality comes second when budget is a factor. And even when u have the money, audience that really can tell the difference between a riped record and a bought legal one is almost non existant. If im playing for my friends in a private party, sure, i would love to give them the best audio quality... cause they know their stuff. For day to day audiences... well, most wont even notice it unless it really sounds bad.

[@LouixIskander]

RIPPPPP and then compress it even more and label it as a “lofi track”

[@alandalton5072]

So what about the bootleg or white label vinyl? Never pressed well but if you wanted to be the first to play a track or even help break a track this is what you used...

[@DJKRIMEBEEOCH]

As a old school DJ this is something I hate with the digital age in that it's so easy to find the latest tracks for free meaning better profit for the DJ who doesn't give a shit about the sound quality. Was a fair playing field back in the day of hunting around London's record shops searching for the latest white labels. The more you put in the more your sets stuck out!! There is one problem in that there is loads of old tunes that simply aren't on any legit sources and ripping old vinyl takes ages and often sounds rubbish.

[@SpeakNowHoldYourPeace]

Just curious with this question but I have to ask. Why does it bother you of how other people get their music and the choice to play. How does that affect you? If other DJs want to play rip music that is no concern to you that is on them. Why worry about what other DJs are playing if doesn't affect you at all. And I've never seen a crowd in the club stop dancing saying "hey this music is ripped music from KZbin I'm going to stop dancing and leave the club". If it doesn't bother them why should it bother you?

[@andnegr]

Agree at 110% with you but sometimes (1% of the times) I'm not able to find a specific song in any digital store and I don't want to re-start ripping from cd or vinyl so only other choice is youtube...for 1% of my collection is ok...I download many versions looking for best audio quality and using Spek for checking the spectrum...these are my 2 cents

[@nicolaslazy-soul6318]

+Andrea Negri Lazyness is a terrible excuse .

[@andnegr]

It is...

[@DJKrowbarKE]

+nicolas lazy-soul Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha....

[@salvaavlas5757]

Djs promote artists. Djs wouldn't have to pay to promote artists. Djs buy equipment, pool subscription must be included in the price of equipment just like Serato license.

[@GabrielQuiroz95]

Salva Avlas nah djs make money out of artists. + you should respect them as most famous djs are artists themselves.

[@ev9466]

DJs used to put stickers on the vinyl's label so you didn't know who the artist was. I recall the mail order shop sent them along with the vinyl. This is not what I call 'promotion' :)

[@adammarcinkowski109]

I totally agree with you and I can totally tell the difference with bad tips sometimes. Mostly I might download them to play with the file and if I like the sound of it in my set/how it fits with other songs I'll try to find a version to buy. But the problem with buying everything is that some trapnation/small producers/remixes don't have legal high quality download links at all and the only audio source of the track might be on KZbin......

[@DoFunkk]

Same goes for people"downloading" for free (320 kbps) music in un-official websites. Do you really think they are alll just giving all the tracks fro free? 95% of those tracks are KZbin rips transcoded to 320kbps. The website only gets money from advertisement in their website(Google Adsense) by getting traffic of innocent people thinking they are getting full quality music for "free".

[@badtcat]

but not every song u can get on dj pool

[@jaybub3442]

and you would need to look really for one song

[@buffalodj]

sometimes

[@samuelbrewster97]

I DJ at a strip club in San Francisco and the strippers ask for Bay Area hip hop and the djpools have some but all the ones the girls want like Round and Round by Mozzy.

[@danielcachopo6645]

@@samuelbrewster97 Well to be honest here, using some YT rip's in this situation I think it's justified because your clients aren't going to a stripclub to check your DJ skills or sound quality, so if your co-workers ask you to play something that improves their performance, then do it!

[@bobbyfletcherDJ187Hardtrance]

soulseek

[@djpolar5576]

This is prevalent in the Bahamas. Tons of DJ's don't want to dive into record pools, nor spend money because flat out they're too cheap? I don't know Mojaxx. But what I do know is; I certainly can tell because if Im playing with somebody and I see that "Official Video," tag it is disappointing and what's even more disappointing is that the audience doesn't know. There has to be a higher standard like you said across the board to get this problem eradicated.

[@57ashdot]

>what's even more disappointing is that the audience doesn't know. You kind of just answered the question though. The only person that can tell a difference (or at least think they can) is you, the DJ. 99% of people listening can't hear the difference between a 128 kbps vs. 320 kbps even. This is the only jump in quality that there is a perceived difference, anything more is kind of just snobbery at that point. I stick with 320kbps, keeping a bunch of FLAC is just a great waste of space on your USB.

[@Harvedge]

They can’t hear the difference but they can feel it

[@benson1ification]

A single gig will give you enough money for atleast an entire set of legit, good sounding music. Practising at home, sure rip whatever you want to, but playing out one really should bring the best possible and there is really no excuse. One song is about a dollar.

[@Psythik]

+Pepe Kebabo Not every DJ takes gigs, you know.

[@thimaldealwis1631]

+Psythik That was his whole point, rip stuff until you're playing out at a venue, and then pay for your tunes with gig money. It's pretty straightforward.

[@benson1ification]

***** Beatport, producerloops, just google it. It's all out there man.

[@NJJoeLewis]

+Pepe Kebabo Unless you dedicate a set amount of gig money toward music, its very hard to compile and collect current/new music. Its a constant expenditure, especially DJs that play every "now and again". I understand why people get Soundcloud/YT rips (Take No More Parties in LA for example which i've heard played at 4 different clubs last night). You have to spend money as a DJ and when you cut corners, it shows. It's not going to stop people from doing it. Unless you are at the top tier of producer/dj land, you are not going to get the new shit first.

[@NJJoeLewis]

Someone should seriously make a video about the hidden costs of DJing. While its easy to say "Just buy legit music" however buying music is a very steep venture.

[@1Hanginon]

It's not just format and bit rate. Legally download Adele's "Hello" mp3 from Amazon, open it in Audacity with clipping turned on, and look at all the red. Sound quality? Do to the "Loudness Wars", they couldn't do a worse job if they tried. We are willing to pay for quality downloads - where do you get them?

[@mistertobs4044]

A mate of mine plays mp3's in his Dj sets, I play vinyl.. We were Djing together the other week in a fairly large club and I followed him after his set. The sound difference was HUGE, his mp3's sounded thin and tinny compared with the vinyl I was playing. He doesn't play mp3's anymore

[@Audastrian]

Well, what you are saying is right, but there are no real arguments in this video. Professional audio engineers might here a difference, but if you dont take the most bullshit version on YT but the original upload from the label and download properly, it will not be noticeable. I bet I could give you different examples without you knowing wether you are listening to an original MP3 file or a YT rip.

[@andreivacsi]

i don t agree with you. even if you download the upload from the label, it will skip a lot more than the hq version. in the long run it will be harder to beatmatch properly and mix since you ll have to adjust the track every 2-3 seconds. this of course depends on the type of music you play. i m speaking from the perspective of techno, minimal dj.

[@djbowzer1308]

It’s funny how even the biggest DJ’s aren’t against SoundCloud downloading and the DJ’s that go no where are natzis when it comes to this subject. Let that sink in. A lot of music that gets used in sets at Ultra, EDC are found through SoundCloud.

[@kingoffortress3890]

they are found through soundcloud but they aren't ripped from soundcloud, they are then bought from Bandcamp/Juno/Beatport. support your local artists buy their music.

[@colindietrich5720]

@@kingoffortress3890 absolutely agree - you find music through SoundCloud but you shouldn't rip it from there since the quality is horrible. When I started off as a dj I immediately noticed the difference when I shifted towards proper files even though I usually just played on quite mediocre systems. I don't even want to imagine how a KZbin rip on a festival system would sound like

[@Ciel_DJ]

the easiest way to make this point is to play the same song, one that's 320 and one ripped from youtube and actually prove that they sound different and sadly the difference is so minor it would make the point seem silly

[@heironb5090]

thanks Mojaxx for you explanation and making clear to us this stuff. Me as a young DJ (1 year experience) I didn't know about this issue. thanks for your all great videos that your share with us... you are a star! :)

[@DawnHub666]

THIS VIDEO NEEDS TO BE SHARED EVERYWHERE --- People need to understand.

[@sidechainblane4153]

It's funny because some DJ's will pay a fortune for their headphones, decks and speakers, then ruin it with low quality rips, what a waste of time. don't fall at the final hurdle guys! Also buy your tracks, and support the scene!

[@DJCLIENTEL]

After reading the majority of the comments on this old post I realize that a lot of DJ's feel as I do about the quality of their sound and their performance. I have spent thousands of dollars on vinyl and when the AAC, MP3, and Wav files came in to play I was happy to put down my crates and more into the 21st century. This information is very helpful and really needed because speaking up and speaking out shows that you care about the art of DJing. It is true that not all DJ's are the same however we share the same common goal which is to move the crowd. I don't totally agree that sound quality makes you a better DJ but I do agree that it's vital to set yourself apart from most DJ's in the industry. The new jack pop-up DJ's who know nothing about the music other than the latest hits on billboard or the local radio station is making a joke of the craft thus lowering our prices and using subpar music with subpar equipment. They are the paracites in this industry and should be treated as such. The message in this post mainly appeals to them and not a lot of you on this post because some of you have many years in the craft like myself with 30 plus years on the turntables. I implore those that are on this string to be vocal in your local DJ community when you see things that are not in order with the craft. I want to share a quick story that just happened to me last night and was the worst display of wanna be ism I have ever seen. I am a 25 year Veteran of the U.S. Army and an active member of a VFW (Veterans of Foreign Wars) Post. We rent space to the public for many types of events and one of my functions because of my expertise is to monitor when outside DJ's utilize our sound system. I encountered a laptop music player and I say that because he does not warrant the title of DJ. Long story short he came unprepared to handle the event because he only brought a laptop and no other accessories like a microphone or a board to enhance the sound of the laptop and save his sound card. I had to assist this wanna be with the event and in doing so I attempted to give him tips of the trade. The reason this story is being told is that his music files were maxed out and distorted. I pointed this out to him and his response was that he would turn it up and down to control the quality. After hearing this I totally stopped giving this guy information about being or wanting to be a good DJ. In closing, it is important to have good sound quality however if you have no skill, no experience, and above all no knowledge of music you need to just do all of us a favor and kill your dreams of being a DJ. Keep to turntables spinning and the people dancing my turntable brothers. Peace.

[@DawnHub666]

U ARE SOO RIGHT -- Ive been telling everybody, but people think im crazy -- They say, KZbin HD is better than an MP3, and i say - it just isnt - And im really surprised with the comments - People still trying to stick up for Soundcloud and KZbin Rips - Nobody seems to get it - Maybe thats the mark of a real DJ - One that would never play a KZbin rip.

[@DawnHub666]

***** - NO MP3's are ok - most music i get comes on mp3. 320 is the lowest i will go. And its ok. Some of them sound better than vinyl

[@JayElzDj]

Well said Mojaxx... Garbage in Garbage out. Can't show up to a gig with sonic artifacts in your music files and think people won't notice. Clean audio is a no brainer

[@bryanfontez]

Couldn't disagree more. If you're diligent, have a good ear and take your time to find the proper recordings, you can find rips that no normal person will ever be able to tell isn't the original. I would bet my life savings that A) Most people can't tell and B) They don't care. The difference is so negligibly small that it's just not worth the extra time and investement. If I'm playing a niche tech house set at a high end club, sure I'll grab the originals. I want to impress that crowd with creativity, use the sound system to its full capacity and put on the best performance I can. But a wedding or a bar playing top 40? GTFOH. I'm not wasting my time or money. Call a spade a spade and stop being self righteous. Plus half the remixes and tracks I want aren't even available anywhere but youtube so your argument is redundant. These are tools and IDGAF what you say I'm gonna use them how I see fit. And that's coming from a professional musician with 5+ albums on spotify who has spent their life writing and recording music.

[@bryanfontez]

Also take into account all the new forms of electronic and hip-hop music that are purposely being produced like shit with distortion and solid brick waveforms going off the charts so that the snare sound is literally crackling and distorting. I don't play for DJs. DJs don't pay my bills.

[@queenpurple8433]

This comment is so true. Unless you’re listening thru the highest quality headphones ever you’re pretty much not gonna be able to tell.

[@thatchinaboi1]

I bet you use Key Lock and leave it on by default like most DJs do these days. 🤣🤣🤣

[@bryanfontez]

@@thatchinaboi1 I have never used key lock or sync and literally don't even know how to.

[@thatchinaboi1]

@@bryanfontez Good for you. We are in the minority unfortunately. I don't use it for 3 key reasons: sound quality, inability to utilize pitch inflation, and 99.9% of the time it isn't even necessary.

[@capthegreat]

the problem with this is sometimes i cant find the song anywhere on the pools. only mainstream bullshit

[@veselin4504]

I have to disagree in only 1 situation. Sometimes I cannot find the download link for the song or purchase it anywhere. I would rip it from Soundcloud. Then there is the situation where it was only released on vinyl and cost 180$ on Discogs. I would rip it again. I would love to buy the song but sometimes you don't have options.

[@tom_mac]

another thing worth mentioning is DJs downloading 'mixcuts': tracks cut from a from a mix cd which has the tunes seperated into individual tracks for skipping and tracklist/tagging reasons. always sounds terrible and it's super embarrassing when you hear elements of the original mix CDs transitions in someone's blend

[@shemmy7302]

With the amount of money DJs have spent on vinyl and CDs back in the days, it shouldn't be that hard to subscribe to a DJ record pool. For $20-$30 a month, you get unlimited high quality music.

[@ClevelandTerry]

+Shemar Williams Yes and no. I have to subscribe to 2 record pools because 1 won't have it all. DJ City is a prime example. I can get a good amount of POP/ current hip hop edm, but a lot of times it won't have super new hip hop and it doesn't really have any classics besides some unnecessary remix of one. I'm also on Beat Junkies to supplement what DJ city is lacking. I'm spending at least $60+ a month including iTunes purchases.

[@PhizzleSea]

+Cleveland Terry I'm glad you subscribe to some pools. Every professional dj should be. $60 dollars a month is really nothing considering how valuable your music library is as a dj. If you cant afford $60, then you have other issues to work out or consider another career that doesnt have said expenses.

[@djvartan]

+Shemar Williams All record pools past and present offer nothing but crap selections.

[@shemmy7302]

+djvartan I'm with franchise record pool and they offer a wide variety of music. Including Latin, current and old hip hop and R&B, reggae, old and new. You should check them out. And it's only $20 a month

[@rejtechnoandhouse7507]

+Dj Phase Agree. When I was starting out, a record shop guy (it was a long time ago) told me the main thing you really need as a DJ is bottomless pockets.

[@DJMigrane]

when an artist gives away a song on sound cloud are those files bad quality as well?

[@akaTRAPxx]

Funny thing is I've been ripping from both for so long, it's easy for me to find a good rip of a song. Though it is a bit difficult to find one, there are sites out there that will rip a KZbin file in high(er) quality than others. My rule of thumb is if it ain't HQ, I ain't ripping it. I can't always find a 320 bit file but I can easily find a 256 or close to it. I'm a member of Digital DJ Pool and some of my KZbin rips sound just as good as the files from the pool. I honestly can't tell the difference from 256 to 320, but can with anything lower than 192. Since I am a part of a pool now, the only reason I'll rip a song is if it's not on the pool (either too old or from an unknown artist).

[@Ninja_Gaijin]

are you even using a media info tool to look at the actual specs of the video you are ripping from lol.

[@akaTRAPxx]

Oh how much my opinion has changed in two short years LOL

[@Borderlands808]

I’ve gotten loads of decent/really good quality KZbin rips. If you know how and what you’re doing, it doesn’t matter much where you rip from especially if you’re just playing in the clubs/raves where mostly everyone is drunk and/or on drugs.

[@andreivacsi]

it s about respect for your craft. even if the crowd is high af or drunk they still deserve the very best you can offer them. like i said in a previous comment to someone, youtube rips tend to skip a lot more than the high quality files making mixing a lot more harder than it should be.

[@Borderlands808]

@@andreivacsi what record pool sites would you recommend?

[@andreivacsi]

@@Borderlands808 honestly i don t use any. i either buy them off bandcamp or receive tracks via promo mails from record labels or i buy vinyl. the secret here is to follow all your favourite record labels and at some point they ll open up there promo lists so you can add your email. it takes time, but it s a lot better than ripping yt or sc. plus it ll help your name grow in a more respectable manner.

[@andreivacsi]

@@Borderlands808 it also depends on the type of music you play. speaking for myself i play only techno, minimal, breaks and deep and i don t follow the rule of having the newest tracks or the ones that everybody has. i think this is the way to differentiate yourself from the other djs . don t jump on the same horse as everyone.

[@tresporros]

if you work with Traktor and utilize playing in harmony - there is a massive difference between 'tuning' mp3 versus flac check it yourself, mp3 pitched one note up or down with mp3 file - you can hear aliasing and weird distortions..

[@jonathanwatson9243]

I play a lot of retro house and tech from 89 to 91 so a youtube rip is the only place youll find 75% of the music unfortunately.

[@GrantedSerenity]

Jonathan Watson fortunately

[@FSwiftDJ]

Jonathan Watson go buy vinyl mate then, all the classic retro tunes are on vinyl , there is plenty of second hand shops like discogs etc

[@Ninja_Gaijin]

Wait.. don't you mean discogs/ebay on vinyl??? It's available, you're just a broke ass (unless it's super rare). And then, I NEVER want to play a vinyl rip (unless I made it and even then.. eww) - with DVS, double wow and flutter, the inbuilt from the recording and your added playback .. it's just stupid.

[@HBC101TVStudios]

Three words: Spotify and Tidal.

[@N9TT-9G0A-B7FQ-RANC9]

Alot of people don't realise that with KZbin converter, it will rip it at 192kbps bc thats the streaming quality of youtube videos (even if you choose 320kbps). However, theres a way of ripping KZbin audio at a true 320kbps mp3 equivalent, the source audio on KZbin is encoded into an opus codec which is a fairly new codec that has crazy good compression and has a similar sound quality to 320kbps mp3's. To obtain these files, you need to use youtube-dl which can be used in a command promp or can be found with a GUI.

[@MrJustease]

mojack is the man ty sir it is true should spend the money for quality audio, also thanks for always having fresh and new things each time i check you out

[@MrTonig12]

Had a gig recently and I allowed the birthday boy to hook his Samsung smartphone to the aux. It sounded horrible, I had to crank the volume to the max but it was still shitty. I hooked up my IPhone 5 playing iTunes music and the sound was excellent. I only DJ with WAVs and AIFFS.

[@HBC101TVStudios]

Anthony Petersen Same, man.

[@DJSixOneTV]

I completely agree, BUT for me and a lot of other dj's I know and have seen perform that doesn't always hold true due to the underground music we also play. A lot of the Jersey Club, Baltimore Club, Philly Club and even New Orleans Bounce music that I play during specialty sets can't be found on a record pool. You can reach out to the creator but alot of them don't have these tracks mixed for commercial use whether due to funds or whatever. So I have to grab them where I can fine them If I could find a reggae record pool I would be in DJ heaven.

[@bluex217]

I get so mad when average people using spotify who know nothing about DJ'iing and or audio quality try to tell me to just get my music from youtube, or to just use spotify..

[@DARE-zd8xl]

If you own spotify premium, then you're able to hear 320kbps files ;)

[@rachelkaraoke7461]

I found a Spotify subscription very handy but I was Karaoke so I was very happy with peoples requests. Are you a club dj working small like superstar type slots ? If so you wouldn’t be bothered by these “average” people You’d possibly be in some high as the sky glass box Those people are the most important thing

[@HBC101TVStudios]

Spotify is acceptable since it uses Ogg Vorbis, which is better than MP3 since it's audibly transparent to CD quality at 160 kbps.

[@lithim4164]

There is so many famous songs I'm searching for for but can't find it

[@videosolutions1683]

So happy that someone came out and said what I always thought. Dj's too cheap to buy music should not DJ.

[@djtimt6871]

Guy I DJ’d with on Saturday has 4 x cdJ 3000 a pioneer A9 mixer and over £25k in equipment he could mix but was djing with a hard drive full of 128k rips from KZbin. Sounded tinny and shit and lack of range and detail. It amazes me how many people do this and how common it is. You are being paid so people deserve at minimum a 320k or 256 MP3 🙌 ❤

[@traxonwax]

I compare sound files to looking at a garden with a bunch of 60 watt traditional bulbs vs when the sun is shining down.

[@42tehfloor]

Don't hate on the underground, especially if you're getting your stuff for free for promoting it. Remember where the creative heart of any music scene comes from. I don't buy the cover story of sound quality issues btw. Peace.

[@WesKingpriaghosts]

42tehfloor cover story? It’s kind of a scientific fact. The more compressed the file is, the less information there is too read. Therefore you lose sound quality.

[@DJKeo]

Great video I have gotten into this argument with a few bedroom DJs and I tried to explain if you play 320 bit files and then play a 128 ripped from youtube it sounds horrible compared to the better ripped files. And the difference between them is very obvious over the loud speakers.

[@illusionnl9237]

i rip at 320 from YT

[@DJKeo]

@@illusionnl9237 do you Dj in a club professionally or at home

[@illusionnl9237]

@@DJKeo if i would DJ proffesionally i would buy it ofcourse, so the answer is @ home

[@willkahn1433]

Thank you! Sometimes I hear these on the radio too!!! I don't even want to see MP3 anywhere... I work for Burl Audio (audio company from Santa Cruz CA) and now I can't even bring myself to be OK with MP3s... I want my tracks to sound their BEST if I ever do make it to play on a BIG system where you can really hear the difference. I rip my own vinyl through our B2 Bomber ADC for digital tracks... Thank you for posting this video!!!

[@hindenburgerhelper14]

come to my next set and see if you notice

[@djmac1873]

You can listen to the new tracks on soundcloud but then you download them on MYMP3POOL or DJCITY. All the new bangers are there.

[@nathanoshea5790]

When I'm downloading music from KZbin I make sure that its official audio and I also make sure that its 192kbps

[@domgerencser3660]

is there a minimum quality for festivals? would 320kbps still be good enough

[@djizzy525]

I always hear it from parties when I say wtf is that sound quality I can hear it right away

[@clintnyc03]

I wholeheartedly respect not playing KZbin and SoundCloud rips, but what if you CANNOT get the track? You ask a DJ and they NEVER respond or some DJs/Producers will hoard the track and never give up access.

[@PacRam619]

Then it's not your right to play their music. Should your neighbor let you drive his car because you asked? Best way to get the best music sent to you is to produce.

[@DJWixel]

@@PacRam619 lmaooo what a terrible excuse

[@mixxinmel]

Ive done it in the past but in small venues its not that bad, and if your a sound engineer like myself i can get the bad sounding Mp3's sounding really good on small systems as well as large systems you just got to learn the tricks. It takes some time and skill but it can be done, but nowdays i just get my music/videos from dj pool's via subscriptions. Nice/informative Video By the way bro, Keep em coming!!!!

[@djsoomo]

Ye canna polish a turd!

[@7086526468]

I started off deejaying of from rips from soundcloud and youtube. Yes some songs you could hear the difference other don't not. As an 16 year old it was hard for me to buy songs due to not having a job but once getting gigs I right away subscribe to DjCity. I only get music via music pools or ripping from vinyl records. For me personally, if you're a professional it's sad that you're still usings rips.

[@miket8571]

+Omar5050505050 id recommend signing up for Club killers. Not that dj city is bad but club killers has a much wider selection n assuming your gonna be doing weddings n such Club killers is awesome for that! Cheers n best of luck in the future with your djing

[@7086526468]

+Mike Tebbe thanks. ill try club killers. im was also subscribe to MyMp3Pool and Late night music pool.

[@moonahmed8084]

Im in crateconnect, franchise (usually has a lot of beatport top tracks), and djcity....been looking into club killers though

[@rohan_carr]

MP3 and AAC are my main sources, but whenever possible if I like the song a lot, I'll buy WAV for my own personal listening and then pass that onto my audience as well. Ripping a song off of KZbin is just wrong, no. No. No. No. I'm currently sorting out a CDPool subscription and will soon start to replace some worse quality files with nicer ones. Although listening through all 20,000 files will be fun.. You can tell I'm mobile not club!

[@HBC101TVStudios]

I use AAC, mainly for listening to music. Most of my tracks are encoded in 448 kbps CBR and a few in 320 kbps VBR. Stopped using mp3 last year.

[@JojoOlarte]

what can you say music from itunes? i subscribe music from itunes and i used sidify to convert to mp3, and the audio quality for me is fine.

[@planco]

I was mixing one time with some ripped tracks and others were paid HQ song , on that bad sound system i could not hear difference, but what was really bad was what was happening in HD-25...

[@DJShoji]

I agree 100%. I feel that majority of young DJs are so used to badly encoded audio. We are still in loudness war, and many DJs and listeners seem to forgot how recorded music used to sound.

[@geluix69]

Omg, the loudness wars are killing me in the studio. They always want louder and louder , my answer is why ? Just turn up the gain moron. Uncompressed audio is the best at minimal boost.

[@TheatricsOfTheAbsurd]

Thank you. Just started Djing and this was literally the first issue I encountered.

[@skate1snow]

Mp3 rips are definately a last resort thing. I have a special crate in serato for them so I don't mix them in with my HQ songs. I have a acoustic treated studio with high quality monitors, I've compared 320 mp3 and yt rips and I cannot tell the difference 90% of the time. Even if I can it's so subtle that there's no way someone whose drunk/dancing with there friends could tell the difference. If your a festival dj then it's not a great idea, but if you drop a few yt rips in a set no one will know. They are more focused on the actual song. I agree it's wrong to steal and if your entire library is from KZbin that is not good! But if your using them sparingly the quality isn't going to send anyone running off the dancefloor during a set lol.

[@dacianchronolog4104]

Typical warehouse King of Snake boi...

[@Emp210488]

if you cant afford music from beatport or any other site, download dvd soft. Rip music from youtube make sure sound quality is 480p and above. After that is complete use dvdsoft to convert music from mp3 to wav, flac or aiff.

[@PacRam619]

Then you should not dj. Or learn to produce and get tunes for free. And you obviously missed the point of the video. I guarantee you are not getting 480p or anything remotely close to good quality rips. That's what all you dummies don't understand, just because it says it's a particular bit rate, it's probably not.

[@cmcapelli]

100% agree with You. Dj's must keep quality at the top, at all times. When a song sounds bad in a club, for shure it's the dj's fault.

[@g00d34]

dj city has hardly any songs tho

[@adrianmixit1998]

you tube and sound cloud mixes are great to play before the crowd gathers in. Pre party mixes.

[@Jack_Frozt]

what sucks is when you purchase a track and it sounds worse than it when its ripped from the tube

[@illyb514]

Alright bro, I don't think your gonna answer me because this is 4 years ago... I'm not a fan of youtube/soundcloud rips either. That being said, What do you think about using them for tracks that are old favorites that have been long out of print or the particular mix of the track you want is nearly impossible to get a hold of? The only time I do use them is for that reason specifically and if I've exhausted all other avenues. It's now 2020, has anything changed in that regards to quality? Are there work arounds as far quality besides simply desperately playing with knobs? It seems to be a bit easier to blend them with newer legitly bought tracks in genres like techno. wondering what your thoughts are and if you can make a video or just answer this comment?

[@djhaloeight]

You can definitely hear the difference in sound quality of a KZbin rip played back to back with vinyl or a high bitrate MP3...something from Beatport or Traxsource. Even on my modest home system it’s super noticeable. You can hear the grittiness of the encode. Big no-no.

[@Akaimayn]

Cant believe people are actually playing KZbin rips at gigs. Hilarious

[@daonek3000]

true I am guilty of this but I recently found out about DJ pools so I am switching over. however not every djpool has new releases. So I would like to network with dj's to get new Clean releases vs trying to find them on KZbin

[@PacRam619]

Or you could you know... Like pay the dollar to have a legit copy. Pathetic.

[@doom2319]

Unless you are hearing impaired, the difference between mp3s and wavs is absolutely massive on even the most modest of sound systems at home, let alone in a club... Do you frequently play gigs in the bottom of a bin?

[@juniorhodge243]

what if you need to find the song you want and not available on beatport,itunes, tracksource etc?

[@ishigirihayato]

What if there is an unreleased track that fits 100% perfectly in your set and changes the whole dynamic... unfortunately it is not for sale anywhere and can only be ripped from a low quality source. Is the average listener/rave attendee going to think... wow that track sounded a bit off or wow that part of the set was incredible and memorable? What was that track?

[@PacRam619]

If it's unreleased it's for a reason moron. So you can't play it. You want access to the hottest dubs before anyone else then learn how to produce. You are disrespecting the artist by stealing their music, then playing it the worst way possible. If you think that having the one hot tune is enough to get people to like your music than you're in the wrong biz. A dj who can properly mix released music will always sound better than some sucker ass dj playing pirated shit.

[@ChrisBeirne19]

audio snobbery!! for your average drunk in a bar or club they will hardly be able to tell! adding &fmt=18 to a youtube video link then ripping on one of the 320kbs sites can improve your rips, just saying : /

[@OldSkoolDJFX]

I feel properly told off. Sorry sir i'll be a good boy from now on!

[@dacianchronolog4104]

You better be having the best MDMA and SHROOM slingers at your parties otherwise you are probably broke already.

[@HTBLuVA]

I found out that KZbin only support aac sound at arround 190-220 kbit/s because of the mp4 video format

[@GRiiMExTiiME]

I guess nobody has heard of ripping live from your soundcard to ableton in wav format... Not that i do that for unreleased tunes or exclusives or anything. It rips it at the bit rate it plays at.

[@PacRam619]

Just because you tube lists it at a high bit rate does not mean it's actually playing at that rate. People lie to get more plays.

[@johnscardy]

I thought I could get away with youtube rips for a kiddies party we hosted at home... I have a good setup, but it sounded awful. Never again

[@primarypadma1591]

Can someone give me an example of a bad sounding rip compared to the original mp3 file

[@DJWhitetailfluff]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that just cause some Dj as a hobby and has the decent skills to do so" they "clearly aren't a Dj cause they don't treat it as a business and they play for free and have fun." Ya might as well tell the guy who likes to customize or work on his own cars that hes not a true car guy cause he doesn't have a profiting business out of it. Or a gamer can't be a true gamer cause he doesn't work for some game developer and or beta test the games. Ive Dj'd for free at some of my friends room parties at cons and things have gone ok. Ive even Dj'd along with other Djs who are friends of mine at some of them. I care about having fun with it and as long as I'm having fun and the listeners are having fun then that's all i care about. I don't look into Djing for profiteering. And along other interests I vouched to myself i would never turn my hobbies into a job or careers cause that's when shit goes sour in the long run. The motives go from oh I'm doing this cause i like doing it to ya I'm doing this for a living cause i need income to pay bills and such. I do try to play the highest quality tracks possible but one thing i noticed with my audience is that no one cares or notices nor do they notice any technical aspect of what I'm doing behind my equipment. A thing to point out that you must not realize. People sometimes get heavily drunk at parties and can't even tell what the hell they are listening to. Im always the sober guy so i know whats going on.The only one who should notice is the Dj i played along side a few times and he hasn't pointed anything out. None of them could tell if i played a loss less Wav. file or a 320 kpsMP3 file. And i won't play anything under 320 kps. It just seems to me that some Djs have an over inflated ego and think that just because someone else doesn't fit into what they feel a Dj is that person then can't be a Dj.

[@dacianchronolog4104]

If you are OG and that said you just said you are not. You are just a lame producer and thief. If new stuff is legit??? ASK PERMISSION FIRST!

[@WesKingpriaghosts]

DJWhitetailfluff if the most compressed you play is a 320 kbps mp3 than they won’t be able to tell unless you actually throw a track on that’s an actual record. Than someone would notice I can guarantee it.

[@123KaneG]

I’m a UK urban DJ. A lot of the artists don’t have their songs on the platforms you suggest. In that case would I still not use their song from soundcloud or KZbin 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@cytrixz-codm6444]

I have a rip of MP3 which I had converted to 320kpbs. and the quality is almost the same as the original one on beatport. if you want, just provide me your email address. I can send you a copy. Of course I highly recommend you buy music off from legal website e.g Beatport. but for my case. I am not getting paid of DJing since I only do it as a hobby in my bedroom. so I don't mind ripping off. but sometimes I will still pay a dollar for my favorite track

[@Ninja_Gaijin]

Also against youtube - often they won't be lossless going into the video they make to upload. It will be mp3 or other lossy to begin with, lol. So source - lossless format - mp3 encode - video encode lossy transcode - youtube transcode - downloader POSSIBLE transcode (you can direct rip and extract video audio without further transcode.. but it seems from comments here a lot of people don't know that lol)

[@KennethSaul]

Hey Mo, so okay I get the point of the rant, but how about a tutorial video showing how to move away from rips into a more righteous audio library. I realize this is an older video, maybe there is already such a tutorial. But yeah, ranting is one thing, but offering a doable solution or explaining the alternative (preferable) option would be great. Cheers.

[@jpnumarkpimenta4638]

thank you for support

[@famoushorse]

i still use records i must be a dinosaur, there a pain to carry but they sound awesome hands down

[@Ninja_Gaijin]

Except for the thousand things that make them sound crap xD trust me I know they CAN sound good but really, the amount of work and knowledge on YOUR part as a DJ (and cost with replacements or at least LAST preservative formulas and things to get extended life out of your records) and also having clubs with good analog setups.. good luck. Last gig the one track I played on vinyl fed sub back through the cart, since it was too close to the sub (the stage/booth) and system too loud. DVS or a setup a few feet further away (two booth setup) no issues. The one facepalm was that one vinyl track, inbetween otherwise issue-less Serato DVS. I love vinyl but they are a harsh mistress. I basically won't play any stuff now until I get some fancy cleaner (thinking AIVS) and some LAST preservative.

[@Mixalot140]

I came from a 3rd world country. Maybe you haven’t heard of re-pressed or recycled vinyl. It sound literally like an AM radio.