DK.IceIceIce: "Icefrog has a lot of patches to do" @ TI4 DK Player Lounge

[@widdz]

Gotta love iceiceice

[@JodeciWatches]

Will keep supporting DK, please stay together! Love you all, legends! ♥

[@BladeGaia]

In a parallel universe: finals eg vs dk (still on game 3)

[@BladeGaia]

Update: DK won (2-1 in favor of them now) game 4 will resume after 30 minute break

[@BladeGaia]

Its over DK won, holy shit wat a game (3-1). what a last game for burning and lanm. ＲＡＴＴＥＤ　ＢＹ　ＩＣＥＩＣＥＩＣＥ ＲＡＰＥＤ　ＢＹ　ＭＵＳＨＩ

[@AzureFides]

DK won, RTZ cried, IceIceIce went to comfort him. They felt in love afterward and be the first gay marriage dota couple. True story.

[@Kohiku]

I'm crying

[@Ricardoth15]

absolutely right

[@Dreadnaught1985]

Ice3 just too salty. I love him though. Keeps it real

[@fleecejohnson245]

I hear 0 bitching

[@OMGlvl86turtlepilot]

Warren Ke when asked about why NB was able to beat VG so efficiently, he said Icefrog has a lot of patches to do. basically saying they only won because imbalance.

[@colorchameleon8823]

adapt. nearly 100% pick/ban rate on lycan, yeah icefrog needs at least one patch :3

[@Thegrandvoodoo]

i think everyone is salty over this.

[@rtocow]

Warren Ke 100% bitching. crying about the patch haha ok i overreact, but he did cried a bit

[@melodicdeathz]

worst final ever.

[@mistaflake]

I love how iceiceice is ''trying'' to be honest all the time. :)

[@DanAdiletta]

Personalities like iceiceice is what makes being a fan of an eSport so much fun. I'd buy his merch, favor his sponsors, watch his games, and root for his team no matter where he ends up.

[@Mr0z13]

ICEx3 to EG please :)

[@AzureFides]

***** Stop create clone army in China pls.

[@timmyg1015]

I think universe is a much better offlaner for eg

[@TheShadowmanger1]

***** Nice la

[@jasondehustler4994]

timmy G implying icex3 can only play offlane

[@struyep]

I hope ice3x, meracle, ddz, mushi get together and form sea allstar team

[@LittleTinGodGaming]

I really hope IceIceIce starts streaming again soon :)

[@bruno-santos-00]

The finals were boring because the mainstream teams wasn't there. iG in TI 2 won a game against Na'vi in 20 minutes and nobody bitched that time. The hate it's because they haven't a team to cheer for.

[@notjux]

They were boring because they were huge stomps that were over in the first 10 minutes. Most of the other games at TI2 lasted 50 minutes+.

[@ThePostOffice3]

Yeah a game.... but this TI all 4 games was ended so early... and all of them were a stomped like pub game. Im pretty sure everyone was cheering for VG especially for ROTK, at least I am

[@AmmyandIssun]

The longest game in the finals was 26 minutes long, the last game of the finals was 15 minutes long, and only ONE rax was taken during the whole series. They were just incredibly boring and disappointing games.

[@yuyuyuyu94]

Rest of TI4 series were much more entertaining than these 4 matches, that totaled 80 minutes. Each game on average lasted 20 minutes, pure stomp, only once any barracks were taken. Sad finals, amazing Main Event playoffs.

[@Thegrandvoodoo]

bullshit, those games were actually exciting to watch....im not even an alliance fan but you dont even need to be one to get excited over ti3 when alliance and navi exchanged for a base race.

[@RazorPhoenix7]

3:58 My same thoughts ice3, silly me when I could just look at the video timer.

[@Nokiya]

IceIceIce we love you please stream some! You mentioned you might :)

[@dreamEnd]

DK vs EG at final would be the shit. I was looking forward to it when they manages to get to the top bracket. Those two were my favorite Dota team in the scene, sadly LaNm is now gone and i don't know about Fear going to play at next year or not.

[@LethargicSounds]

Man i love this man... agree one hundred percent

[@mephedr0n]

DK PLS NO DISBANDERINO. BURNING PLS NO RETIRERINO.

[@sttommore]

I'm glad someone finally said this! Everyone had been talking about how great this patch was, and how you could play in any strategy and win. The finals proved otherwise. This patch is tremendously imbalanced.

[@gem1996-eth]

I love how he can say it haha

[@collute]

chinese is considered a race in singapore,it's written this way in every official documents every singaporean would have so yes, one can say iceiceice is chinese

[@neilsenjdnex]

iceiceice is realist guy.. he agree that this TI4 Grand Finals was crappy..

[@artkco]

Na'Vi.Iceiceice shots fired.

[@werpo123]

If DK does disband I wish Mushi and iceiceice form a SEA dream team. Getting a sponsor might be tricky. Orange may do it. If DK doesn't disband but Lanm and Burning retires I hope they recruit someone who agrees with their playstyle.

[@DaBawws]

I've been considering the SEA dream team as well and I have to say it sounds like it has potential, I think chuan could join (if he were to leave iG). Net from Titan sounds like a good idea and... maybe throw black^ in the mix?

[@jfatsnorlax]

DaBawws chuan support, meracle carry, ice3 offlane, mushi mid. we need one mroe.

[@DaBawws]

IMO ice3 mid and mushi offlane would be better, could just be me. but yeah idk who else you could throw in. perhaps MMY if he's not retiring but idk if they'd communicate well (not sure if there's a language barrier)

[@DaBawws]

black^ could be legit

[@coooldonkey]

so many sea dream team have been formed over the years, exactly 0 of them worked.

[@TheColorfulPube]

I wish it were a DK vs EG final

[@june8960]

Ashloch means hello :D Like Icex3's teasing style

[@StormyNight]

im do love this curruent DK too

[@viktorpersson8465]

MOre interviews with him, he was so damn funny

[@Braaaiiinsss]

so sad you didnt ask more questions

[@alicanakdag701]

those t-shirts are so nice where can i buy one?

[@AMKGolf]

Why didn't you ask him to elaborate on why he thinks there are a lot of patches for icefrog to do? Stay on your toes man.

[@guibble]

Hey, thanks for the constructive criticism it means a lot ! I will try to remember that in the future and when in preparing and practicing. :)

[@TheMRTIMBUK2]

i agree 100%. there is no problem with the game, actually newbee and vg play way better than other teams. And i believe they will do the same in ti5. So find counter strategy against it instead of blaming devs or game itself.

[@XiaoManeuver]

***** hu do u exactly agree with 100%? both top comments dont really disagree with iceiceice, and shit dota2 needs a patch, and a big one, u can tell if you play dota2, top teams now just abuse the current meta.

[@groomgroom12345]

Zai, ice3, fy, MMY and Mushi coming for ti5

[@devilbhrothesavage2807]

iceiceice talking german was prolly the best moment of the whole TI4 but well after this final this shouldnt be so hard.

[@AlexKrieger71]

IceIceIce you're officially my favorite Dota player now

[@MyNameIsNotCraig]

Wow his english is really good

[@iezadafie]

i would love to team with someone who can lead the game, proper leader, someone who can actually lead.(not mushi)

[@darkstalix]

He is right you know.

[@ifg2jordan]

I don't know about you all, but this International went so so wrong and its so so weird, so we end up with boredom easily. How u expect to have fun international without Gyro, Alchemist, Luna, Dark Seer, Anti Mage, Kotl, Magnus, CK, Puck, CM, Lifestealer, PL, Pudge or Sven? Every game i see Razor, Mirana, Brew, Doom, Ember, Void, and Naga Siren which annoys me completely. Almost same play every day with the same heroes and same items. In the Natus Vincere case: No Antimage, no Alchemist, no Gyro, no Luna, no Weaver, no Lifestealer for XBOCT? Where are Dendi's Puck, Magnus, TA, Pudge, OD? Funn1k's Mirana, Windranger, Batrider, Timbersaw, Clinkz or DOom? Kuroky's Rubick or Visage? Puppey's Chen? Don't tell me that these heroes are nerfed, We all know that these all can still kick ass. What we saw so far from Na'Vi was a stupid Void only tactic. Meh, vomit, ew! They were standing 5 minutes at the bottom tower and did nothing against c9. No push, no kills, no harass. They were playing without 1 single idea. This was totally unknown Na'vi in my opinion. GL next year Natus! We still support ya. Just to mention: Alliance suffered also from the wrong picks. I don't know what happened to these 2, but it ended up terrible for both. Only Newbee are team that played decent. I don't cheer up for them and i don't want them to win, but if they do, at least i know that it will be deserved.

[@yasaswy]

Everyone forced to play these new shitty meta heros instead of their own best.. and all sucked in the end..

[@aokiji99]

please dont disband...

[@sophielyn]

would like to play with them... my MMR wont let me!

[@Tollerah93]

DK vs EG is the final that should have happened.

[@TheQueHegan]

God i hope they dont retire. Or at least Mushi, Iceiceice and Chuan make this insane SEA team that will destroy all.

[@14KroshTV]

as a part of dota2 community and part of building 10million prize pool. its kinda upsetting because i was expecting much more in the finals. i feel unhappy about the finals somethings missing about it. if i express my feelings its like, emptiness, crap, shit, bullshit, boring, meaningless, futile, blank, and pointless.

[@susahidup]

I believe he said "THX FOR WATCHING THE CRAPPY FINAL" so much lol

[@Snake35Eric]

iceiceice = LEGEND

[@edgarace2991]

mushi + ice3 + Yamateh + chuan + xtinct = SEA domination..

[@KillFect]

How does he have so good english for a chinese player?

[@stygis6244]

They haven't prepared properly because they don't have teams to practice with. This I believe which I've i read in a post before was a doing of xiao8. It's because that DK is not an all chinese team that's why they boycott practice with DK even encouraging other chinese teams except for VG and CIS.

[@blackheartscars]

DK EG FINALS YEH

[@Haleria]

I'll like that he, as a chinese player, says the finals where crappy. wich they where!

[@macarongblack3694]

so many people talkin abt how Iceiceice not chinese....-_- well if an indians born in the US does it make him not indian, we r talkin abt cultural background here kids

[@flashaxl]

When a Chinese not from China identify himself in the international stage, he (or she for that matter) will identify himself as citizen of his country Sure Mushi is also a Chinese, but the commentator will refer him as Malaysian as oppose to Chinese. By right, SingSing is also Chinese, Merlini and Luminous must've some blood too, It's just when you represent your country in the international stage, race is irrelevant and you want to be recognized by your country of origin.

[@Brynhildrify]

"You as a chinese player" the guy is from CSGO or SC2?

[@MoiZzZn]

Could ask more questions,you seemed a bit nervous.Overall an 6/10.

[@guibble]

Thanks for being supportive :) I was SO nervous!! He is one of my favorites and while everyone else treated me like annoying press, he treated me like a good friend. Such an awesome guy, but yeah super nervous. Starting with Ayesee this was my first TI and my first time interviewing anyone ever, so iceiceice was the 4th and biggest interview. Thanks again for being kind with your criticism -Rafi

[@jojojojojojojojojojojojob]

navi.iceiceice

[@kayy4511]

this ^

[@luizjaq]

dude owns

[@rrgert4]

ice u fucking boss u are the man

[@LASD1892]

we can all say it for ourselves that it was the worst final and the worst that will ever be, without him saying it

[@DadahStronG1028]

That is so quick like TI4 go to c9 pls ICEICEICE

[@Dudububu57]

four 28 minute matches.. worst grand finals ever...

[@Thegrandvoodoo]

dk pls dont disband, if you guys were able to scrim weeks/months before ti4 then the outcome would have severely been different...if you guys retire, you are giving up on yourselves and all your fans (fans from all around the world)

[@87_North]

Icex3 | Zai | Banana | Arteezy | Rotk too stronk

[@tyanavenged]

banana is an idiot you know

[@Dotanalyst]

Damn straight Ice Cube.

[@tungpham8147]

Why iceix3 said that Icefrog have a lot of patches to do ? what are the imbalanced point of dota 2 heroes ?

[@AttilaMagyari]

I'm also curious about this. I don't think it's the heroes, those were really diversified, but maybe the whole meta and the strategy it "forces" on the teams to take if they want a sure victory.

[@LoxD123]

tier1 towers extremely easy to push down? LOL.

[@IroNoHimitsu]

Arthas Leks It was a huge bug, but aside from the whole gank failing didn't fail much else (I know it led to more and more and more) But aside from that bug, not much else is in the game. There are always gonna be bugs in the game because of constant changes but they are quite rare. In over 2k games, I have maybe came across 3 extremely minor bugs.

[@ml4dj0]

such a cool guy iceiceice :D

[@danieliop]

Ti5 SEA allstars Ddz = carry Iceiceice offlane Mushi mid Meracle 4 Chuan 5

[@LoxD123]

meracle 4? better give Net or Xtict.

[@aizatemirs]

Lee Daniel i think his idea is okay. just let titan stick together and they will become stronger trust me.

[@IroNoHimitsu]

Lee Daniel Yeah I like Net more than Meracle.

[@Thegrandvoodoo]

We need you dk, dont disband..next ti wil be even more grand.If you give up now you give up on yourselves and your fans.Dota kings need to take their crown.

[@KelvinOoooi]

Well this is pretty awkward. The interviewer doesn't know how to do a proper interview. Anyway, good luck iceiceice and hope you can bring home the TI5's aegis with Mushi :)

[@guibble]

Hey, sorry to hear you don't like my interviewing, only the 4th one I've done in my life :P I was nervous as you could see. Could you give me some tips and constructive criticism on how to better myself in the future ? -Rafi

[@KelvinOoooi]

Travis Elliott Wow, can't believe I can get a reply from you. Well, I feel like maybe you can prompt more conversations with iceiceice so there are not many "awkward pauses" each time he answered you. Maybe you can crack some jokes and tries to improvise to ask him more questions instead of looking at the prepared questions. These are just my two cents, oh yeah, sorry for my bad english, I'm from Malaysia btw :) Good luck on your future interviews

[@guibble]

I'm trying to turn this into a career, so I would love to here from people who think I could have done better. I actually had no prepared questions, this was a very on the spot interview as Valve was not very good at giving the press any access this year. So I had about 2 minutes to think up as many questions as I could, and I will admit that in my nervousness, I forgot a lot of them. Thanks for the helpful advice and well wishing words. -Rafi

[@KelvinOoooi]

Travis Elliott Well okay, keep up the good work bro :) Looking forward to seeing more of your interviews in the future

[@OMFGLOLROTFLWTF]

dont have that mindset ice, even if its a joke, #TI5CHAMPS

[@SilverMiraii]

what a cool dude

[@MsAlone9x]

damn is dk gonna disband? :( lanm retired for sure burning might change team with mmy i think ice3 and mushi should join a western team

[@kehroro]

International 5 !

[@MegaTheJohny]

Dream TEAM: Mushi, Burning, Faith, FY, Iceiceice.... Team DK need leader + stable drafter !! and non will be able to beat them

[@malakaiunseen]

Sooooo cheeky!!

[@smthingcreativepls]

no shit about it. TI4 final is crappy.

[@Raithed]

I love ice3.

[@seol9999]

Crappy finals

[@soren7944]

Nice sub

[@DK-dh8qn]

is he hinting that lamn or burning cannot lead by saying he would love to play with someone who can lead properly? LOL

[@Dreadnaught1985]

I think you're reading too much into it... it's hypothetically if DK disbands.

[@nyctre]

well, they did kind of lose that lgd game because his team wouldn't go for last lane of racks when lycan had 30 seconds to resurrect still :P

[@The666Slayer]

He saying it in the sense if burning and lanm were to leave dk.

No, iceiceice has been very open about not wanting to be a drafter or ingame leader, so he wants to play with someone who leads well, so he doesn't have to take that responsibility. But I think if LaNm and Burning were to leave, Mushi could lead just fine, he made a great job on Orange.

[@GaboObando]

nyctre and later iceiceice was pinging like crazy to take the rax, but they went and feed 4 vs 5.

[@ethanz9940]

quite frank

[@nevermind7592]

ice3x to the president!!!

[@poolebai6453]

look your invoker plays and look at his，you'll see

[@muadz18]

well that's quick. lol. he want to be asked moarrrrr

[@kimoyofficial]

Burning will retire for 1 day.

[@Wuselol]

This was actually one of the less cringeworthy interviews... why so short? Oh and iceiceices pronunciation of 'Arschloch' is actually not too bad for a non-german :D Maybe he should join a german Dota team Kappa.

[@yannielow]

crappy final ! yeahhhh man

[@xabdev]

iceiceice big boss

[@K4m4sull4h]

glad to hear even prof. players thinks the same. WORST TI EVER

[@RedBCPride82]

Interviewer makes this so awkward.

[@guibble]

Sorry you feel that way:( any tips or advice you could throw my way would be much appreciated :) -Rafi

[@RedBCPride82]

Sweet a response! I feel like he was willing to go in depth more in the questions you asked but you kinda avoided asking. That and you ended pretty early, maybe those were all the questions you were able to ask him, i dunno.

[@guibble]

Wow, I have not checked this in a while. Thanks for the feedback. Yeah I was given about 2 minutes to come up with questions. It was also hard to talk to him because he likes to pause for what feels like a good amount of time and then say more things, which I was not really used to. I was caught off guard by how willing they were to do the interview as well, I was told he had other interviews so I thought I should keep it short and stick to my questions, but their manager was so nice about everything. I'll definitely be greedier with my time next year ^_^

[@MechaKnightz]

current meta is boring as fuck to watch

[@lli99]

Iceiceice is an ethnic chinese.

[@simplecoupIe]

he was rooting for eg lol

[@Zanthous_]

I honestly think the deathball strat needs to get nerfed. Makes the game less fun to watch.

[@MrMerlin87]

less fun to watch? well yes if it ends in a stomp like what we just witnessed. nerfed? i really dont think so. as we saw in WB semi-final aswell as VG vs EG, it can be countered by not giving away too much in the early game aswell as great teamfight execution. if a team wants to be thought of as the best of the best its up to them to fulfill this requirement. although DK vs EG final wouldve been wayyyy more exciting

[@Zanthous_]

hugh smith maybe you're right. We won't really get to see how teams play against it for a while after ti unfortunately

[@pauloh6191]

Dk Eg Finals While Dk Is Get an ass woopin in vg Hahaha ! Deal with it bro and better luck next TI

[@lefty298]

This was the first TI Navi didnt pick a pudge :(. what happened Navi Also worst ti final to date

[@matamo18]

Na`Vi.iceiceice

[@sesh8863]

True winner!

[@basedGODDDDDDDDDDDDD]

trolltrolltroll

[@vbandur]

this interviewer is pretty weird i get the vibe that he doesn't even play or watch Dota at all

[@guibble]

Sorry you feel that way :( I actually play a lot of dota. Any constructive criticism you can offer ?

[@vbandur]

Travis Elliott Nah man, I got that feel because it seemed you don't really know the players that well, or you're kinda shy in front of them and can't establish a chemistry or a casual type of conversation. You were kind of distant, thats all ...

[@xitdedragon]

Travis Elliott You did your best on short notice. I think you could try to act a bit more natural and relaxed. Don't be afraid to banter a bit. And if the interviewee gives opportunities to ask follow up questions, please do. Watch some of HotBid's interviews and try to pick up on subtle things he does to put people at ease. Also, keep eye contact!

[@guibble]

Thanks for the advice ^_^

[@shamhoshino]

DK EG final, YEAHH GAHAHAHA

[@grrs91]

iceiceice

[@yahoo0593]

retire for 3 months lmao

[@rtocow]

haha get rekt iceiceice