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2024 M8 Dyno & AFR Results Before and After Stage I Upgrades ...PLUS
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The 2017- 2024 Gen I and Gen II Milwaukee-Eights are fine with the OEM tune with free flowing intake and exhaust. By fine, I mean they do not run lean. Will they run even better with an optimized tune, Yes, but they do not run dangerously lean like the Twin Cams and Sporty do.
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[@FriedPi-mc5yt]

Wow!! That’s messed up. When I got my 2018 Road King. The first thing I bought besides gas was a Vance and Hines FP3. Mostly because I knew I was going to be doing a stage 1 as soon as I could.

[@DKCustomProducts]

I hope that you are enjoying your bike and that the FP3 is working well for you. The new Torque Based Nanny Control is messed up. I am glad that we know about it and know that it can be tuned out now. Here is a video on a Choosing Stage I Upgrades that you may find interesting - kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWKugqGprcR-bqs Thank you for commenting! MB

[@samslade739]

Thank you so much for keeping us informed.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@scott2228]

I have a “new to me” stock 2021 Street Glide Special. Even with my overweight wife, this bike halls ass. Even going from 70 to 80+ on the interstate to get away from other vehicles. I’ll focus on comforts like seat, windshield & shocks 1st. Much faster bike than my 88ci Dyna. I’m happy!!!

[@DKCustomProducts]

Congrats on Your New to You Ride! Good to hear you're enjoying it! Here's a video that you may find interesting useful for Rider Comfort...don't be put off by the Trike...this is a list for Trikes and Touring models like yours. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGO7e6esl6pkmpY For your passenger, probably the three biggest things are: Tour Pak Relocation Passenger peg/floorboard Relo (FB16) Heat reduction Always feel free to email or call with any questions: [e-mail] 662-252-8828 KP

[@craigkemmerzell5741]

Good to know I think Zippers are working on a new Thunder Max also they just came out with there new cam for that motor 😉

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, I know Devin is Impatiently waiting on a new Tuner so that he can tune his bike and get rid of the Torque Based ETC. Hopefully it will be soon! Thank you for commenting! 👍MB

[@donavonsmith3394]

So what is different about a 21-23 ecm compared to a 17-20? More nanny’s and emissions bs on the 21-23 or did they actually make improvements?

[@DKCustomProducts]

There are more nanny's! What is the same is that they are not too lean from the factory and you can upgrade the Air Cleaner and Exhaust without having to re-tune your bike. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@brucem8129]

I have noticed, all the 23 CVOs with the gold chrome, blues if the owner adds a free flowing intake and mufflers. Look at pictures of them, they are easy to spot. Maybe it's that they are running them harder? Mine has not blued, 100% stock.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Not sure where you're seeing the gold/blue? If it is on the chrome of the mufflers, that is an indication of excessive heat. Devin rides very hard, and his are not discoloring. Generally, especially with the heat that the cat generates, the headpipe is going to see some gold blue color, but it should not spread to the chrome heat shields or chrome on the mufflers. We have an entire series on how to cool down the bikes so they do not get so hot. You can see it here- kzbin.info/aero/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C KP

[@TheDankh]

ThunderMax and Impact ECU both available for the gen2 117s

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thank you for sharing I will have to look into the Impact ECU. 👍😎👍 MB

[@kevinreynolds5068]

I believe ThunderMax has a tuner for the non VVT Gen 2 M8’s and Impact Wiring Solutions has a ECM that works with the VVT and non VVT that is said to be incredible.

[@DKCustomProducts]

From what I am finding they do not have a Tuner even ThunderMax that works with the VVT at this time. Thank you for sharing and for commenting! 😎MB

[@joserionda7513]

I’ve got a 23 streetglide w stock Harley header , cobra neighbor hater slip ons and want to replace the stock air intake for a more free flowing screaming eagle intake keeping stock header pipe. From what I hear from this video looks like I won’t need to retune the bike I order to upgrade the air intake. Would this be appropriate? Thank you.

[@DKCustomProducts]

That is correct! Of course for optimum performance you would want to get a tune, but it is not necessary and your bike will not be running too lean. Here is a written report on the subject that you may find useful/interesting - www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-dyno-charts-other-interesting-info-dk-m8-rpt.htm Thank you for commenting! MB

[@dennismundt7378]

Thanks for the video. And honestly my opinion on it. Some motorcyclists need a nanny. And the built-in nanny, like in this video, is way too nice to them. You have a CVO with fully adjustable chassis and 107 hp at the rear wheel from a high-performance engine that still has to meet all regulatory requirements. Isn't it enough for the road and in any climatic conditions? Many motorcyclists simply do not know the value of the motorcycle, where the manufacturer Harley has invested a lot of money in developing this motorcycle to function safely and reliably. These owners do not see how the Harley employees assembled this motorcycle, which then leaves the factory after the successful final inspection. And when I see how extremely rough some motorcyclists are with their expensive Harleys and then make REV bombs, then these drivers need a nanny. And personally, in my opinion, these people don't deserve a Harley to ride.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I see where you're coming from-motorcycles are definitely built with a lot of care and advanced engineering. It's important for riders to appreciate and respect that.

[@slayer04031974]

Maybe HD should stop advertising the idea of Freedom of the open road, selling Stage 1, Stage 2 etc. Upgrade up to 135 etc. Selling Upgrade in the dealerships. And only sell stock bikes and the idea of options and more power for your expensive and cherished-well crafted bike. You have no right to modify or enjoy the bike as you see fit. You will obey

[@DKCustomProducts]

It’s a valid point that marketing and modifications can influence how we view and use our bikes. Balancing personal expression with brand values can be a tricky issue. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@slayer04031974]

@DKCustomProducts Yes it can. So can a manufacturer going into racing and bragging about performance etc. But it's not difficult or tricky to avoid putting flawed parts in engine or the double standards for modification is OK. If you buy from the factory. But in some cases. Still no warranty for what is stock or OEM.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Actually Harley got in trouble for telling people they voided their warranty. You can see a video we made on that at this link - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZbXk2qFa5d6haM Thank you for commenting! MB

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

I thought They had to set the governor because the New SG got the death wobble.

[@DKCustomProducts]

That is a different issue! On the VVT they did make the highest achievable speed 100mph for that wobble problem. In this video we are talking about the Torque Based Nanny control that cuts power at a certain RPM. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB

[@NorCal-refrigeration]

@@DKCustomProducts thanks for the clarification now I get it. 🤘🤘

[@DKCustomProducts]

You are most welcome! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB

[@jackklarich7045]

Nothing surprises me any more from HD, I am thinking they will have problems with the VVT

[@DKCustomProducts]

What problems do you think they will have with the VVT? HD has certainly made it hard to be surprised about anything, but seeing how the nanny control decides when you are giving too much throttle was a smack in the face. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@jackklarich7045]

@@DKCustomProducts So first off, when we are riding and we need a bit more throttle to get out of a situation the computer will not alow more throttle? On the VVT, this works off of oil pressure, knowing HDs problems with oil control and pressure with the first gen m8s I am going to be very surprised if there are not problems and trouble codes with the VVT

[@DKCustomProducts]

The Torque Based ETC that is on the bikes equipped with RDRS the computer essentially determines how much power it is going to allow. You can go to the 7:54 minute mark of this video that you are commenting on and Kevin reads about the Torque Based ETC. Yeah, Harley fixed their Oil Pump issue that they were having, not to say that there aren't other issues, or that there won't be issues with the newer bikes, but I certainly hope not. Thank you for your insight and for commenting! MB

[@electraglidewayne8654]

Great information! Thanks.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@thakery5720]

It's not just H-D - the emmisions agencies worldwide ( including OUTSIDE the states) have been slowly eroding 'bikes power sonce the 1970's with CV carbs and vacuum advance and then EFI. Yeah it's done to lower pollution especially in cities but if manufacturers had actually tuned each bike then they wouldn't pollute so much. I have rrmoved all the EFI junk from my 2010 Dyna when I rebuilt it into a 113" monster making over 130 hp and torque. Here in England there is no yearly emmisions testing but apart from noise levels my bike makes less pollution now than when it left the factory - it must do as it makes more power and uses less fuel ! Every vehicle should be tuned individually but it'd cost too mich !

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks for sharing your perspective! It’s true that emissions regulations have impacted bike performance over the years, and your experience with tuning and power upgrades is interesting. Thank you for sharing and for commenting! 😎 MB

[@thakery5720]

@@DKCustomProducts You are welcome, I suppose it's ironic that despite most pollution cause by motor vehicles being due to poor tuning in order to minimise manufacturing costs, it is the end-user that gets the blame and pays the costs not manufacturers - I am thinking about the emmisions testing controversy over here in Europe by the big car manufacturers and the increased level of 'personal' taxation have to pay for using vehicles deceptively labelled as 'clean' !

[@DKCustomProducts]

Valid points and certainly something to think about! Thank you for sharing and for commenting! MB

[@sixwheelcarlisle8491]

Makes me wonder if the 2022 gen 1 m8 has some kind of nanny that my FP4 tuner cannot tune out🤔 I used it to get around the speed limit nanny that cuts power, but it feel like it’s still there but only lets me sit at 115mph even though the motor feels like it could go faster.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Most likely you haven't tuned out the Torque Based ETC and that is the drop in power you are experiencing. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@dcdell2008]

Are you able dyno the CVO/ST 121 high output and see how it compares with the 117 Gen2 and also limits the overall power and torque with the "nanny control" ? Thanks for sharing

[@DKCustomProducts]

We would need both of those bikes and a dyno to do so, but if a bike is 2019 later and equipped with RDRS it has the Torque Based ETC and your bike is cutting power at a certain RPM. Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB

[@mikebailey5127]

I have a 2017 triglid with a tork can would I need a dino

[@DKCustomProducts]

After upgrading the CAM it would be ideal to have the bike tuned. If there is a canned tune for that cam in your bike, you could use that, and then use autotune with a Power Vision. Whether it is a dyno tune or a canned tune, or a canned tune with autotuning, when changing the cam, there must be a change in the tune for the engine to run safely and properly. You can see the Power Vision at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/dynojet-power-vision-flash-tuner-w-auto-tune-dk-pv-cmp-pkg.htm Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB

[@Hjfvvdst]

Great information.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 😎👍 MB

[@shawnharper3440]

EPA is coming after the aftermarket. So it’s safe to say my 24 114 Heritage is good to add air cleaner and exhaust without tuning it?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Absolutely. No problem adding free flowing intake and exhaust without changing the tune on your M8. Here's a video you may find interesting/useful- kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXyYqWaimLapgLc KP

[@jasonlamay9108]

David Crane is the man!

[@DKCustomProducts]

He was a pleasure to work with and definitely knows his stuff! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@michaelmazzitelli6251]

Didn't HD throttle the power as a means to resolve a higher speed instability / wobble in the Street Glides?

[@DKCustomProducts]

That is a different issue! On the VVT they did make the highest achievable speed 100mph for that wobble problem. In this video we are talking about the Torque Based Nanny control that cuts power at a certain RPM. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@Buka851]

So does this apply to my 2024 Tri Glide Ultra?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yes it does! Your bike is not too lean from the factory and you can change your Intake and Exhaust without a re-tune. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB

[@alsaint7944]

2 things 1... my friend has a new 2024 roadglide..his bike keeps loosing the use of the throttle ...he has to glide over to the side of the road take out the main fuse and wait about ten mi s for his bike to work properly again he has returned to harly 3 times already for this he is giving g them one more chance to resolve the issue. 2. Rumor I heard.. that the new haeys do auto software updates when the bike is parked over night and that parking in a area that has poor wifi is causing issues with the updates and hence causing problems. Has anyone had this issue and does anyone know if this info about the auto update is true ? please let me know. Thanks

[@DKCustomProducts]

I have not heard this, but Devin had his bike (2023 CVO Street Glide) do that after doing a software update and they had to change out his entire screen. But the software update did not happen on its own, Devin had to do the install himself. Has his dealership given him any kind of explanation? I hate your friend is having this issue. I hope he gets it figured out and fixed! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@TheDankh]

Innacurate. He just has a lemon. My 24 RG has been flawless for 7k miles. Also, no auto updates, requires usb flash.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you are not having issues with your bike! Thank you for commenting! 😎MB

[@kdar93]

i've got a 23 low rider st im in california i've heard my bike is running really lean. i was looking at getting the power vision 4 what do you think??? thank you

[@DKCustomProducts]

We have not done any testing with the PV4, I know that the Power Vision 3B will work on your bike, I think getting a tuner shipped to you in California will be the obstacle that you face as it is illegal in California and we nor any one that sells Tuners that I know of will ship to California! I hope that you find a way to get your bike tuned if that is what you want or need! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB

[@kdar93]

@@DKCustomProducts yeah its called AMAZON LOL Thank you for replying back my friend just bought the power vision 4 and bought a new road king and tuned it he says its so much better now

[@DKCustomProducts]

You are welcome! Good luck on your Tuner endeavors! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB

[@Charger1908]

What years did Harley have a bike that was dangerously lean? I bet none of them. If Harley put out a bike that was that lean they would have lost their butt with all the repairs they would have needed under warranty. Am I wrong?

[@DKCustomProducts]

The Twin Cam's were lean and if you upgraded your Intake and/or Exhaust without a re-tune they were dangerously lean. They stopped making them so lean when they started making the M8's. With all year models of the M8 you can upgrade to a Free Flowing Intake and/or Exhaust without it being dangerously lean with the factory tune. Which is why we wanted to Dyno the new 2024 to make sure that the tune was still rich enough for upgrades without a tune. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@joehansen4889]

I have a 2020 street glide. And put a 828 outlaw airfilter and mufflers and S&S intake manifold. Dealer said I had to do a tune. I had them tune with the screaming eagle tune. Did I do good or bad? Thanks!

[@DKCustomProducts]

No, this video was to let people know they do not have to get a tune when you upgrade to a Free Flowing Intake and Exhaust. That the AFR is not too lean for those upgrades. Getting a tune is not a bad thing. Here is a written report on M8's that you may find interesting/helpful - www.dkcustomproducts.com/milwaukee-eight-dyno-charts-other-interesting-info-dk-m8-rpt.htm Thank you for commenting! MB

[@marcwesley6942]

I am so glad I am not that easily fascinated with high-tech bulshit I will never ever own any of this bullshit evos forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DKCustomProducts]

We like what we like! I hope your EVO runs forever! I am not too much for all this Tech Crap either, but my husband loves Tech stuff. To each his own! Wishing you many miles of smiles!!!!!! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@marcwesley6942]

@@DKCustomProducts I think that technology is good for certain things in life it has made an improvement on certain things but to put a computer on your vehicle to control it was one of the dumbest ideas ever simple machines have always lasted better

[@DKCustomProducts]

I agree! Adding a computer to your vehicle only adds to the problems you can have. Thank you for commenting! MB

[@cgirl111]

Harleys problems are not their bikes or their price since you can buy lightly used. Their problem is their culture. Harley riders wear a uniform and I don't like that uniform. The prefered shirt is black and preferably a Harley shop shirt from an out of town shop. A long beard is required and braided or hair banded. I don't like any of those things. I ride a gen 1 Ducati Diavel Carbon Red and don't feel the need to dress or look a certain way to be accepted in the Ducati universe. Honda had it right 45 years ago with the "you meet the nicest people on a Honda" campaign. Harley has decided to go in the direction that they will sell fewer bikes but at a higher margin to try to continue this Harley culture myth. Harley is making all shops upgrade to their idea of a superstore and this will push all the independent shops out. You will deal with corporate shops. Harley is fast becoming a boutique brand and going to be their downfall. If the could get rid of their culture and become mainstream they might have a chance.

[@jimmyjohnson1452]

LOL You must be be a Democrat

[@DKCustomProducts]

You raise some valid points about Harley’s brand identity and its impact on their market. It’s clear that personal style and brand culture can influence our perceptions and experiences. It’ll be interesting to see how Harley adapts to changing preferences and market trends. But I am certain that there are Honda Riders that wear black just like there are Harley riders that do not. To each his own!!!! Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB

[@boomdawg56]

The best reason to buy a Harley Davidson is aftermarket parts. I have older bikes, I will ride them till I can't work on them anymore. I will rebuild and overhaul them, there are no nanny controls in the future for me.

[@DKCustomProducts]

The ability to customize and work on your bike with aftermarket parts is definitely a strong point for many Harley riders. It’s fantastic that you’re able to keep your bikes in top shape and enjoy them fully. I think many riders feel that way about the nanny controls! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@jackwillson8099]

Started aftermarket part company. Make some bullshit exhaust. You'll be a millionaire in 3 months or any another part for a Harley! in 35 year on working on them nothing fits lol

[@DKCustomProducts]

Well, I wish that were true if one made good parts like we do, that have a lifetime warranty. KP

[@patrickhollis5332]

But how MUCH different is the VVT on the regular gen 11 because the others don’t have VVT

[@DKCustomProducts]

I think you are asking how different is the GEN II from the GEN I M8's. There are way to many differences to list them all, but here is a video where we go over some of the differences - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fouvqpKifZ6WsJI There are differences, but the 2024 Gen I and Gen II M8's both are not too lean from the factory and you can upgrade to a Free Flowing Intake and Free Flowing Exhaust without needing a re-tune. Please feel free to contact us with any questions; [e-mail] 662-252-8828 Thank you for commenting! MB

[@concepcionortiz2898]

@@DKCustomProducts No. He's talking about the difference between the 23.5 CVO and the regular 24 RG/SG The GEN 2 RG/SG does not have VVT. You tested a 23.5 CVO with VVT.

[@DKCustomProducts]

The Non-VVT Gen II's have the same AFR as the VVT's. We do not personally have one of them, but the shop we were at has done more than a few of the non-VVT Gen II's and the AFR's were the same, both in closed and open loop. KP

[@ericlemieux9989]

Thank you

[@DKCustomProducts]

Glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 👍😎👍MB

[@alanwhiteside410]

So you can’t tune a Gen-2 and you can’t tune a fish! 🤔

[@DKCustomProducts]

You can't tune a GEN II yet! Soon hopefully! I do like Tuna fish, but I've never seen a tuned fish!!! 😂😎👍 MB

[@fernandocamilli4232]

Excellent information you guys rock

[@DKCustomProducts]

I am glad you like the video! Thank you for commenting! 😎👍 MB

[@HawgRiderBC]

Harleys have always needed a cam, tune, and pipes. But they make them underpowered just to pass Commiefornia emission rules.

[@DKCustomProducts]

It would be nice if the only thing they worried about was making a good bike. Thanks for commenting! MB

[@HawgRiderBC]

@@DKCustomProducts After 38 years as a Harley exclusive rider, I bought a BMW S1000XR about a year ago, and it's the perfect addition to my 07 Glide. I still love and ride both bikes, but each has a different place and time.

[@DKCustomProducts]

I am glad you have multiple bikes that you love riding! Wishing you many miles of smiles on both! Thank you for commenting! MB

[@patrickpaglia1383]

Good morning.. I installed your EBS on my stock 2023 Street Bob. Can I use it with your hi flow air cleaner. Already have your torque things installed

[@DKCustomProducts]

Our Air Cleaners are designed and manufactured to work with our External Breather Systems. Since you already have one of our External Breather Systems, You can email or call our Customer Service and they can help you determine the best way forward with the EBS you have and the Air Cleaner you want. [e-mail] 662-252-8828 Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB

[@rudy8216]

Good info video, so I ask, if we turn off traction control button does the nano control go away while this is turned off leaving that open throttle drop off a non issue. ?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Turning off the Traction Control does NOT get rid of the Torque Based ETC. Only way to get rid of it is with a tuner. If you have not hit the notification bell for our channel, next Tuesday afternoon we are releasing a video where we show how we tuned that Nanny Control out. KP

[@mikefisher4557]

Would like to see a video/opinion on OEM plastic vs aftermarket intake manifolds. Tune required when replacing ?

[@DKCustomProducts]

I will pass this video idea on to Kevin! No you would not need to re-tune your bike for replacing the intake manifold! Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB

[@dylanr13]

Me and a guy from work both have similar bikes only difference his is a 2022 114 street bob and mine a 2020 107 standard. same exhaust different air cleaner he has the stock HD smaller ventilator one I have a S&S Stinger. We both where running about 70mph and then we just give it hell is bike pulled away for a little but I caught up and kept a higher speed at about 120 and his at 115. I have no tune he has stage 1 HD tune.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yep, every bike is different! Sounds like you two had some fun! KP

[@MadMexism]

I had a 2020 softail standard. I hit 120 with S&S teardrop air cleaner, and neighbor hater slip ons. nobody believed me. They said that Harley had them governed at 100, and that I was lying. Lol. Looks like you are proof the bike could do it.

[@DKCustomProducts]

The only bike that I know of them governed at 100 are the GEN II VVT models as there was a terrible wobble after 100. Sounds like you have your bike running great. Thank you for sharing! MB

[@scottryan492]

How much power do I want....All of it!

[@DKCustomProducts]

lol 😂 You are not the only one! I know Devin can not wait to be able to tune out the Torque Based ETC. Thank you for commenting! 👍 MB

[@seansimone-e6k]

Thundermax is making one

[@DKCustomProducts]

I am sure that every company making tuners is working on making one. It will be nice when they actually become available to the public. Thank you for sharing and for commenting! 👍😎👍 MB