DMR DSTAR FUSION Head To Head - Which One Is Best? | K6UDA Radio

If you are considering trying out one of the digital voice modes but don't know where to start, WATCH THIS VIDEO before you buy one. We're going to discuss DMR, D-Star and (C4FM) Fusion modes. Which one is best, and which one is best for you.
I'm going to dispel the age old myth of sound quality between the three, look at the radio designs, talk about price. This is what you need to know getting started on your journey into digital voice radio.

[@davidobrienirl]

As a new HAM (Saturday 1 August 2020), I am now doing equipment research for handhelds, for automobile, and for my homes. I found that Bob helped me out with his opinion on the Kenwood brand radio. Thank you, sir!!! :-)

[@davidshermanlittle919]

You were loads of help. But, I still don’t know which way to go. How deep are my pockets - retired totally.

[@davidb8126]

Studying for ham tech license, thank's Bob for the radio comparison.

[@bluffcitytech]

I love how honest and up front you are on the subject. I have avoided buying any digital radios because of the confusion from everyone else.

[@3TQVK]

Hi Chris Your absolutely right I have been involved in D-Star since 2006 and its progressed to a really smart system, its very mature and works well. I believe Bobs video is absolutely correct. All three systems are great, its when agendas human nature and blown up brand loyaty gets in the way I love the clearness of All the protocols and enjoy ALL of them Fusion Brandmeister or D-Star they all good Pete Willmott VK3TQ 5053202

[@jurisembergs9245]

I love radios, because you arevreally independent, and talk with ones you feel comfortable to talk (almost everyone there are good persons, smart). All mobile carriers are goverment approved bussiness "man". HAM altruistic independence, once bought, no monthly payments. And these people are real, no propoganda, simple, nice, ordinary people, with brains and healthy, bright minds. And digital radios soon will be alternative for internet for HAM guys. And more, there all persons are with knowledge, and these "round tables" replaces or creates alternative for "coworking" rooms, to share ideas, discuss, improve creativity, to do studies etc. And almost for free and with effort for everyone.

[@W5HSJ]

Chris, thanks for your comment! I purchased a Yaesu FT70DR handheld, and I have a Rugged Spot hotspot ordered and will be here when it gets here. For me, the learning curve for all this digital, Fusion, etc. etc. is way too much for me overall. So what I am trying to do is since we don't have alot of digital repeaters here in the Corpus Christi, Texas area, I ordered the Rugged Spot from NEX-GEN and understand this can even cross over Fusion to D-Star, etc... What I sure would like, if any of you know, is where is there a KZbin video that explains how to set all this up? Right now, my FT70-DR handheld is set up on FM repeater use because in our area, FM repeaters are used most often. However, now that I have this money invested, I need to understand all of the pieces and parts that make up the digital puzzle and how to set them up to get them to work like they're supposed to. Any suggestions or videos to watch would be appreciated. This video helps pick a radio, but for me, that's already done. Now help me start with programming it (I have ordered but it's not here yet, the RT systems software and cable) how do you choose rooms, how do you pick another ham, how do you disconnect, yada, yada, yada..... Thanks! Mark G. W5HSJ

[@demizer1968]

Out of all the videos out there on the subject, this one actually got to the point best. Since I had already invested in some yaesu's that were not fusion radios, I went ahead and went all out and went fusion when I decided to dip my toe into the water. So far so good and you're right, fusion is the "cheapest" to get into out of the big manufacturers.

[@K6UDA]

At least the FT70 is. I wasn't impressed with the FT2. At a $400 price tag, I expect a lot out of a handheld and while I was intrigued by functions, display and touch screen, the programming and driver issues killed it for me very quickly.

[@demizer1968]

@@K6UDA I got a FTM 3200DR. Wasn't expensive at all,$135 from gigaparts, plenty of watts out and I move it back and forth between home and pickup. Not too many fusion repeaters in area, but I can hit a few and I'm learning the digital ropes.

[@dineshkhimji]

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[@demizer1968]

okay, a few weeks ago I made the statement that Hoshnashi was also into air rifles. I'm a dork. I confused him with Hajimoto productions. I can't remember which video it was on, but I found this one. sorry for the confusion. Now, where did that beer go?

[@mstriker3656]

Re DMR in the UK. There is a great codeplug that covers the whole UK, and the analogue repeaters too. Moonraker have a dual band DMR and analogue codeplug for their HT500D, which is the same as a Retevis RT 82 and a TYT2017. It also works on the RT3s. Thanks for the video!

[@Doonit_hard_way_since_65]

Much of the choice comes down to what system is favourable in your area. Personally, I like D-Star best, but all of the local repeaters are Wires-x. Makes the point of which I prefer a bit mute. I found DMR to be frustrating, it's great if you stay home, and a disaster for travel. So many of the repeaters don't have their information listed properly, or only partially listed. Not user friendly at all.

[@crwalker33]

I'm a new tech and have been diving into SOTA, APRS and just familiarizing myself with connecting to repeaters and making contacts. As a new HAM, I find the information/option overload is the biggest initial hurdle. These types of videos are awesome to help prioritize! I have a Yaesu FT3D, but haven't even tried Fusion yet. I feel less FOMO after watching this. I already have plenty of chat groups. I think my time is best spent exploring different antennas with what I have. Thanks!!!

[@christopherpuleo]

I know this video is a couple years old now, but the info is spot on. I switched careers several years ago and went into communications. Having gotten a first hand look at LTR, NXDN and DMR in a commercial venue it was natural to want to play with DMR as a ham. Your summary of DMR being designed around enterprise application is spot on. It's not like as hams we don't have a habit of using commercial equipment, but for hams that can be limiting,. It doesn't allow agility and adaptation to operating(especially travel, as you noted). The commercial setups are designed to be setup and then given to folks who only need to use the device on only one or just a handful of channels. The other thing that kept me from getting seriously into DMR is the local DMR group. Yes, they've got a whole huge network of repeaters, but their onerous rule set, operating limits and apparent attitude regarding their system, means you might as well not use it, and I know more guys that've stopped DMR use because of it. I heard such bad reports about the group I stayed away from D-Star and Fusion thinking it had something to do with digital modes all together. I've finally started playing with D-Star and I'm finding that mode to be much more ham friendly, especially with a new ID4100 in the truck making it so easy! I haven't tried Fusion, but if Yaesu has made it that easy it might be worth a look too. I think If I had it to do over, I would've left my DMR experience at work and concentrated solely on D-Star or Fusion for my hobby and/or Emcomm use. Yes, the initial cost of some DMR radios is cheap but I think the other modes will have a more longevity for me in the hobby. Thanks for the vids! 73 KX3A

[@goosecouple]

Which mode is best for SHTF ?

[@jhutch1470]

@@goosecouple Depends. Analog for GMRS frequencies that have the best possibility for contact. AMR for the best possibility for digital contact. DMR is the most widely used.

[@kk0dj]

Best video on digital voice I've seen. Thank you Bob for a fair assessment of them all. Here in Iowa DMR is prevalent, but for me being in a rural setting, I have all three and use a hotspot for them. It's a hoot to listen to folks all over the world on any of these modes. Thank you for this video... enjoyed the quip about other languages... LOL.

[@K6UDA]

Thanks.

[@shandybrandy5407]

One of the best videos in the Internet that brings immense clarity on different radios in the digital platform. I guess now have to first survey the repeaters in my country and then take a final call whether to go for a DMR, DSTAR or a Fusion handy. Really appreciate all your efforts in creating these videos and making it simple to understand. Greetings from Bangalore, India. 73s VU3TQT

[@bradh6185]

For someone like me who is just starting, this is a great, down to earth presentation. Big help.

[@edhillseo]

K6UDA, this the best explanation of the price, quality and usage of the 3 digital radio systems. Thanks for building an excellent video that helps radio users to make their decision.

[@K6UDA]

Thanks. My goal is to make the most watchable, easy to understand videos in Ham Radio.

[@jonneiderbach]

My first exposure to the new digital models and you did just a great job. Very clear, very helpful.

[@Billybob-qq7dy]

Thanks for another great video and thanks for the QSO yesterday. I started with D-Star and then bought a DMR radio. Of the two I enjoy D-Star the most. After watching your video. Now I’m tempting to try Fusion. Thanks again. Billy N5DEA

[@K6UDA]

Great to talk to you yesterday. And I'm always happy to help spend other peoples money.

[@Billybob-qq7dy]

K6UDA my kids and wife like to spend my money too. I’ll add you to that list. Now I’m waiting for your OpenSpot2 video. Take it easy73s Billy N5DEA

[@arthurziegler6021]

Excellent for newbies Excellent for comparisons (Helicopter noteithstanding)

[@K7AGE]

Get the same digital modes as your friends! Someone to talk to. Someone to help with configuration. Well done, Randy

[@3TQVK]

Hi Randy, your absolutely correct....where your friends are Pete Willmott VK3TQ ex Icom Australia PS Really Like your videos too !!

[@Achisachis73]

K7AGE friends are world wide are they not? What is the purpose of a system like this if not to connect with the entire world?

[@andrewbaerm.d.3984]

I first got my license in 1967 but let it lapse in the late 90s. I just got it back and digital amateur radio is new to me. This is the best, cut to the chase video about the subject I have seen. Thank you.; W1RNY

[@t.m2933]

I am radio shopping and Bob's video answered everything for me. Thank you Bob for the info and content.

[@opticalman1jeffkeokro741]

Thanks Bob, great video. I started out with DMR and wrote my own code plug which was a experience. I then found a used Icom ID 51a and began getting acquainted with D-Star. Then at club last month we had a presentation System Fusion C4FM. So... I bought a Yaesu FT5 dr. Still working on the setup for Fusion but it is exactly as you said they all can do about the same thing at the end point. Glad to hear you explain it is very easy terms for all of us. 73 Jeff KE0KRO.

[@TheSmokinApe]

I think your dmr radio might be part of the experience. I can take my BTECH DMR-6X2 anywhere there is a DMR repeater and program it from the front panel in seconds. Also, it works fine on analog FM.

[@mythicalef]

Agreed, I have the Anytone 878 and one I figured out the menu I can do the same. This was my first ham radio.

[@thewatcher5271]

Hey Man, Just Curious How It Held Up, Do You Still Think It's As Good As You Did Three Years Ago?

[@vk3fbab]

I've seen Dstar audio quality differ from radio to radio. I did an on air simplex test. FM, P25 and Dtsar on IC7100. Performance was in the order listed. However P25 out performs analogue when you have weak signals. When we had weak signals we couldn't hear the P25 when tuned to FM but P25 radios were able to demodulate the audio.

[@jacuswoczega9180]

Very realistic material. Without single "the best for everyone" solution. With regards SP9IT

[@mikewalsh511]

Was looking for a comparision vid like this for a long time before I switch to digital. Thank you!

[@briankibiger24]

As a new Ham operator to the Digital world . this was a great presentation.. Thank you...!

[@jamiegolden7093]

I recently picked up a Yaesu FT-70D at a Ham flea market for a hundred bucks. It's my first foray into digital amateur radio of any kind, and I have been pleasantly surprised by System Fusion's ease of use, especially after having attended a DMR presentation at a ham club meeting. Getting on a local WiresX repeater was easier than getting on the local analog repeaters and I was pleased to be able to participate without having to buy a Hotspot. This video seems very well considered - thank you.

[@Shastasays]

We each got the FT-70. Haven't been on Fusion yet, but this radio is versatile. Glad we got them. Thank you for the thorough explanation. 73 de KD9NGU

[@USAFJUNKIE]

How's the battery life on it? I keep hearing it's bad, which is making me cautious about looking into this radio any further. Thanks!

[@DucatiMTS1200]

Thank you country cousin for doing a great intro to these digital / analogue radio developments. Very helpful. Stay safe.

[@petek1pml746]

Thank you for the detailed video, like you said everyone has their opinions about each. It was nice to hear the good and bad about each mode and their respective radios.

[@gregtruchot8826]

Appreciate the open and honest format! Thanks

[@QRPp_Radio]

Bob, I enjoyed the relaxed-style video (all of 'em) Just gotta say - You are the sorta guy that makes me just want to sit out there on your Patio and rag-chew ham-radio with you for hours! - but your videos are next best thing - Thanks!

[@K6UDA]

Thank you!!

[@corgily]

This is a great video, i had to watch it twice a second time after i did a bunch of research on the differences to DMR/dstar/fusion/wiresx even is.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Idk if I can trust this without seeing an FT2DR 🤔👍 Great video.

[@K6UDA]

I had one... For three days. You got to see my FTM400. Doesn't that excite you?

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

K6UDA I saw your video where you commented on the ft2dr. I think I’ll post a walkthrough video. It can be a complicated radio.

[@brianroselli229]

I have the ft2dr like it

[@tankrust1]

I like my FT2DR. It is pricey but to me it’s well worth it. I also like the APRS functions.

[@gmquiroa]

Thanks for the video Bob. Just picked up a Yaesu FT70DR and FTM 400XDR, I am new to the hobby, just received my technicians license over the weekend. Waiting for my call sign and looking forward to expanding my knowledge.

[@lukeoid153]

Hey Bob. I had a blast talking with you last night. So glad to meet you. I was itching to see this. Great job!!

[@Beowulfsurvival]

The best explanation I’ve heard on KZbin for a newer ham not familiar with the digital world side of ham radio liked and subbed sir. KG5AUB 73

[@garyclark4930]

This has been very helpful for me. Very unbiased and answers my questions. I live in Northern Ca and there are little to none of any of these type repeaters. I will stick to Echo link and IRLP.

[@thormusique]

Thanks for this thorough discussion. Truly excellent and very helpful!

[@K6UDA]

Thank you!! I love the feedback from you guys.

[@nap4lm69]

Great information! I'm looking at getting an AnyTone 878 due to the fact that I can get almost full state coverage with DMR. Video wise: I loved the switching scenes. However, I would recommend making sure you level the audio when doing so. I had to constantly mess with my volume levels to ensure I could hear you without waking up my wife. Please keep them coming!

[@whirledpeas5644]

I have the MD380 and a SharkRF Openspot and use my phone and a TP Nano for WiFi, battery pack for portable use.I can do DMR, FCS, and WiresX. The analog part of the MD 380 is great no complaints. Cheap way to go

[@MrBracey1970]

The first video that compares the different types of digital, with out bias,and that’s all you can ask,and because of this honest review I’m buying an FT70 next payday,Thankyou Bob!

[@MrBracey1970]

And a just got paid,and I’ve got my FT70 and a zumspot usb and having fun!

[@CrittendenIV]

Thank you very much for making this video. I keep learning toward Kenwood... :) Thanks again!

[@Dennyg73]

A great video comparison at 10k foot level, Bob ... It should certainly help people on the decision fence on mode or $ to make a good decision. Thumbs up!

[@K6UDA]

That's huge coming from Dr. Balun.

[@markt.3454]

Great summary!! I've not heard it said that clearly anywhere else! Definitely helped me, along with a search for local digital repeaters, choose the best option for me.

[@johnbonvillian4417]

Thanks Bob! i am a new ham and have been investigating which way to go with my first radio-your video certainly cleared that up for me. KI5FRK 73.

[@STRJOE57]

Fusion works well...and the AMS mode is great on fusion. It will let analog or digital contact you

[@vicrod74]

Best honest review on the planet. :)

[@walterluffman9718]

I'm getting into the conversation late (Tech 1/2023, General 3/2023). I bought the Yaesu FT-5D as my first radio, but not really for getting into "rooms". I chose it because the local Ham club runs Yaesu repeaters and I was impressed by both the build quality and value per dollar; I got the FT-5D instead of a less expensive Yaesu HT because I wanted some I won't outgrow quickly. (My backup HT is the Explorrer QRZ-1, and already it seems a bit limiting.) Nice thing about System Fusion radios is that they can be set to go between digital and analog automatically, depending on the signal your radio receives. (System Fusion repeaters can do this too.) I don't think any other digital voice radios or modes offer this. As for overall build quality, Icom and Kenwood are probably tops, but you pay a lot more for both brands. My Yaesu is well-made, pretty rugged, and delivers an honest 5 watt output on both 2m and 70cm. I even turned my FT-5D into a "sorta" mobile rig by adding a trunk-mount antenna and speaker-mic, with the radio in a cup-holder mount; works well, limited only by the 5-watt output. Both DMR and D-Star interest me, and I may try one or both when I start dabbling in Ham VOIP ... but that's not a priority. I also want a VHF mobile rig (and maybe a different vehicle), an HF base station (and maybe a different home QTH where I can erect antennas), my Amateur Extra license -- not necessarily in that order.

[@pilotmike67]

Bob, extremely helpful for an OM trying to figure out which way to go. Thanks for the straight talk. 73's.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

Just noticed we have the same MFJ clock. I like it a lot.

[@3TQVK]

Ive got two 7100 clock radios, one mobile one shack, the best versatile radios Ive ever had

[@chuck4050]

Bob, I have to say this is one of the most honest reviews I have seen on multi brand ham radios! Great review I have a digital mode yaesu mobile really haven't played with it much yet and not sure it is Fusion capable I got it for a offroad vehicle so not the top model. Keep the videos coming great info.

[@K6UDA]

Thanks.

[@roberttosa2560]

Thanks Bob. Very informative. I went with the Yaesu FT70DR

[@tim2140-c7z]

love the videos, trying to get an understanding of all this HAM stuff... very helpful! Thank You

[@tomsmall2479]

I truly enjoyed the presentation - I have the IC 51 A and still trying to understand it fully ... Your direct and well crafted presentation on the subject was a pleasure to watch ... Thanks 73

[@neilspector9221]

So true the choice is a matter of personal preference. I have all three and here is what i have managed to derive. DMR is popular now but even the high end HT are either super expensive Motorolas or made in China. Yeasu System Fusion is really easy and the FT 70 is alot of bang for you buck. D-Star is my personal favorite because of the ability to locate near by repeaters by your GPS location. Also D-Star is the most popular in my area. The Icom 51plus two is my current EDC.

[@AlGritzmacher]

Thanks for this video and giving us the unvarnished truth. I picked up a DMR handheld a couple of weeks ago to play with. One of the things in the back of my head was using it for travel and you answered that question. My solution is to bring my hotspot along, but it sure would be nice to be able to use it in a strange city without a lot of pre-programing and searching for repeater information. Your information helped there and one of the other modes may also be in my future.

[@K6UDA]

Sorry to be the bearer of that bad news. There's some DMR guys that disagree and say everything can be done from the front panel and done quickly but when pressed for details I'm told "its complicated". I don't understand complicated.

[@k1tig]

Ailuance hd1. In contacts enter contact ID, group, and it's name. In band a or b set choose your color code , time slot, and select the contact you just made. Done from the front panel. Under 30 seconds. I travel through 4 states almost every weekend for off roading. Use it all the time on the fly. The HD-1's campaign literally is the dmr radio made for amatures. And before anyone else chimes in, I have the latest firmware, the volume has been corrected, my tx power isn't off, and yes I only use Ailuance antennas. Overall zero issues with it and I use it almost daily There's the details.

[@3TQVK]

In Australia we have a national D-Star program for the 51A and the 5100 with ALL analog and Digital repeaters in Australia with their respective GPS location Data programmed in A lot of hours and hours of work to program but its done. Now the "Near Repeater Function works in D-Star AND analog. Really great in a big country like Australia Try and get a crappy TYT to do that, and then export to excel to program other Icom radios, DMR is for Masochists

[@everettrantanen1732]

Bob, great video and answered a lot of my questions on going digital. Thanks for the great comparison!!

[@scottabeers]

Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge. I have been a ham since the early 1990's but took a bit of a break from amateur radio in part due to my job. I worked as an EMS Lieutenant and a lot of my time was spent in the communications center...surrounded by radios. Anyway...I have since retired (Jan 2017) and I am getting back into ham radio. I dug through the closet and set up my shack and car with some older equipment. As I started plugging in local repeaters...I was noticing comments/notations in the ARRL repeater directory that I did not recognize. Apparently we have gone digital in a number of places :-) Deciding upon which mode to follow....kinda reminds me of the Beta VS VHS decision a while back and the BluRay Vs...I don't remember...Vs another format.... Anyway...time for me to re-educate myself about amateur radio and your video gave me a great start. Thanks again! Scott N1KMX

[@K6UDA]

Welcome back to the hobby

[@rv3dhc]

I got a way to get on DMR in October 2018. Nice one way to get communicated across the world. You're right about: all 3 modes are simply the same , and user can take him/her choice which way to get connected. 73

[@MMCUSN]

"If I offended you, too bad". If that isn't already on a T-shirt, it should be. Great stuff, Man. Thank You.

[@justincase9638]

Your wrap up - if you have a lot of Fusion Dstar or DMR in your area you want to go that route! Right on. Enjoyed your informative video - except for the change in volume between you filming indoors then outdoors. Thanks for the info!

[@K6UDA]

Volume is my nemesis. switching between different cameras, mics and ambient conditions is not an easy task.

[@alanb76]

@@K6UDA It was fine, hams have AGC. :)

[@kellyblock9745]

Another great video Bob. Since there are no Digital repeaters near me I will wait until your open spot video to show me what all that involves. There is a guy that has his Fusion open that I have gone thru to get to the groups on Wires X. Keep them videos coming

[@JohnUsp]

Excellent video, one of the best about this topic.

[@kc3ppb]

Informative video. In the market for a mobile rig. Looking into all three digital modes and this video helped with that. Thank you.

[@hamradiocomms]

Really great job of covering the three digital modes available to hams.. well thought out info on all the aspects of each type, the radios, you covered so much in the 16 min video. I’ve listened to all 3 a lot also and I thought it was just me thinking they sounded so much alike in the quality of the audio.

[@tadhoddick2614]

Thank you, for this chat. I am totally new to digital. I am mostly working from home, and am in a motorized wheelchair whether home or not. We have multiple repeaters locally, of all flavors. I think I will grab that Yaesu 70, and maybe the Kenwood too.

[@cossiedriverrs]

Don't forget, if you have a Shark hotspot, a DMR radio will allow you to work Fusion as well, because the Shark transcodes. Equally, a Fusion radio can access DMR via the Shark. No transcoding available to/from D-Star though... D-Star to D-Star through the Shark is fine.

[@ronburden3622]

Thanks! Best video on the subject I seen. Going to get the FT70 DR.

[@jayw654]

Check out the FT2DR dual digital dual-band transceivers with full X-wires support, both transceivers have digital capability.

[@jamieh9551]

Check out DMR first, just to make sure.

[@bbolte]

Great video. Thanks for the explanation. Locally, I have a Fusion repeater. No D-star. The local ham shop said there's lots of DMR usage in the area. I'm leaning towards the FT-70dr at the point as I want to go analog with it as well. Since you don't like the analog capabilities of the DMR offerings so far, that kind of seals it for me.

[@davep6977]

Thanks for the video. Very informative. I'll have to watch it several times to absorb everything. I'm an old analog guy. Still as I understand it. DMR, Fusion and D-Star can't take to each other. So in a "situation" analog is the only common denominator

[@K6UDA]

Think of it like this, CW, PSK31 and FT8 can't talk to each other, but lots of us use all three. Pick one and run.

[@BenDover-wm7wf]

I thought there were bridges that could connect different protocols?

[@drnv150]

I would say, what is best depends on what you plan using the most, the Kenwood is a great choice if you want to use all three bands, talk on D-star, use aprs & packet and want to listen to shortwave radio with it, if all you want is FM analog on vhf/uhf, then you probably don't need the extra cost to operate D-star and listen to shortwave and or use the 220 mhz 1.25 meter band. More of a preference as to what you want for capabilities vs. what you will actually use on the radio. 73's

[@rtewdtew]

Nice job on the video Bob and very informative. I've been dabbling in D-Star for a short time and this gives me a great overview of the different digital modes Thanks. Jerry N4oze

[@jamescopeland5358]

I'm learning more and more! Dstar is big in my area. I'm leaning icom id-52 unless I can find a good used radio. I have a id4100 as my mobile

[@bilboXbartok]

very clear and concise... I would only add that among those radios shown, only the Kendwood D74 has APRS built in! Thanks, and have fun

[@flyboybobio3431]

Nicely done Bob. Very informative. Keep the conversation going. Knowledge is the key.

[@KenKopper]

Excellent. Just getting started. It's a great hobby and looking forward to diving in a bit deeper

[@K6UDA]

Thanks and welcome to the hobby.

[@chuckk5358]

Very good rundown/comparison, thanks.

[@cory57]

Great video, I know there's been some changes since this video was made, but everything is still very relevant. I will say that I haven't had audio issues on analog with my BTech (Basically an Anytone) DMR radio. It's my go to travel radio. Its not the simplest and most easy to program from the keypad, but I can do it. And it works great on analog as well. The only thing is it dosnt have my beloved 220 MHz band.

[@radiohobbyist13]

If I understand things correctly, DSTAR was designed for amateur radio users from the ground up. The other digital modes have been "adapted" for amateur radio and are not as user-friendly. DSTAR has been around now for about 20 years.

[@milemarke]

Well Done Bob. I feel you put it just the right way a lot or hams are thinking . Good Video Bob.

[@kevinscully6647]

The most important issue is who has the most robust repeater network in your area. In New England, DMR is King, hands down.

[@andreasgauckler3152]

I consider getting the ID-4100 for my truck. It does all I need and it will find repeaters near me. On top the 4100 is small enough for install and the price is great. This video is a great help to definitely skip the DMR stuff. Thanks

[@centralarkansashamradio]

I agree on sound quality there the same. My poison is DSTAR. I use DMR but it's not my go to and fusion is great but limited to the hotspot do to the lack of repeaters. Great video

[@itscaleb1984]

I went out and bought both the Yaesu FT-70D and the Kenwood TH-D74. I have to say after using them both for a year, I love them both. Most of my repeaters around me are YSF/WIRESX or DMR but when I travel to a new area, it is so easy to get on D-Star if they have a repeater. And I use APRS on my Kenwood daily. I just need to get me a hotspot at home for home D-Star use. Anyways, great video and content.

[@bulldogbrower6732]

Best evaluation I’ve seen yet. Great job, informative and fact filled. My conclusion is that I’ve got to pick one of the major manufacturers, Yeasu, Kenwood or Icom, and then I must purchase a cheap DMR so that I can talk to anyone. DMR is open source, any manufacturer can add it without paying for a patent license. It would be great if the major 3 would add DMR into their radios as a universal solution. Until one of these gets smart and adds DMR I will just have to carry 2 radios.

[@scottleonard8377]

Thanks this is the information I was looking for thanks again

[@torbeyeubanksn7kixnovicera576]

Hi there bob, I Rilly DO enjoy your vids, I'm still not sure what's best for me, we will see,. Thank u soooouch for doing a professional video!! T. Eubanks N7kix. Since 1986

[@chunghawliew2956]

Tks very well and clear explanation. Good job

[@jeromemckenna7102]

In my area most of the nearest repeaters are fusion. So, as a beginner, I will buy a radio with fusion. I would also suggest with DMR, one doesn't know if your particular radio will be supported for long.

[@everettrantanen1732]

Thanks Bob, Great video and answered all my questions. Very informative!

[@AJ5C]

Thanks Bob. Great video. I just received my D74A this past week and am learning all about it. Since I do not have a D-STAR repeater in the area, I will have to depend on a hotspot. I can't wait to see your review of the new OpenSpot2. I hope it will have access to the X Reflectors. 73 de Bob, AJ5C

[@3TQVK]

Youll love the open spot, really versatile piece of kit, I have an Openspot 1 for DMR, D-Star ( Have DVAP as well) and Fusion and I use the OpenSpot for DMR cross linl to Fusion via XLX 389D Just amazing Pete VK3TQ

[@bobbyt2788]

$850 for an HT! Like the specs but wow! Great video, thanks.

[@3TQVK]

Hi Bob Great Vid No BS No adrenalin filled Brand loyalty Really good, Would of like to see a 5100 though No BS You are correct No Difference. All sound awesome on a big 3 way speaker. all the best Pete Willmott VK3TQ ex Icom Australia Also impressed with the FT70 and the agressive pricing, many hams will buy.

[@K6UDA]

Thanks.

[@jerry_satcom]

I have at least one radio for all the digital modes (D-Star, Fusion, DMR, P25, and even NXDN), plus a Wires-X node and a bunch of mmdvm’s. (Not to mention a few AllStar nodes too.). Comparing the DV modes isn’t something I really like doing as it’s kind of like comparing oranges and tangerines, but DMR is very cheap to get into (there are many DMR CCR’s), plus if someone new learns DMR first, the other modes will be extremely simple afterwards. Not that DMR is overly complex, but it does involve some simple TDMA multiplexing. Having worked with mux’d supergroup trunks consisting of hundreds of channels before, mux’ing two 6.25 KHz channels (TimeSlots in DMR terminology) is trivial. The downsides to DMR is that there isn’t much dynamic audio range when it’s being funneled through a 6.25 KHz straw. Also, DMR gets its roots from the commercial world in Europe, so using it for amateur use is kind of like putting a square peg into a round hole, same with P25 and NXDN. D-Star and Fusion were created by amateur radio for amateur radio and imo, the reflectors on those modes tend to carry more interesting QSO’s. Try them all out and see which you like. By starting with DMR, if you aren’t sure about Fusion (or P25), you can use crossmode to get a slight feel of their reflectors before investing in an actual radio for them. Yes, there are apps too like DroidStar, but the AQ won’t be as good as a native radio. Also; by having native radios for the modes, you can use them also with just repeaters or even simplex’s. Just because they are digital doesn’t mean they have to be internet linked, it just means they are digital. Have fun and explore them all, but imo, it probably makes most sense to start with DMR if you want to check them all out eventually. I’m now into FreeDV (a HF DV mode).

[@herrprepper2070]

Excellent discussion and explanation. If I were in a populated area with adequate infrastructure, I would probably try digital. (I run a Yaesu 400XDR in my pickup and an FT-991A as one of my base units). Problem is, here in the Northern Rockies there isn’t a Fusion repeater within 300 miles of me, (closest DSTAR 150 miles) and probably never will be. My internet is slow DSL, topping out on a good day at 4.5 Mbps, and we’re lucky to have that. On the other hand, we’re at 5,700 feet above sea level and the sky is always blue except when it isn’t. Anyway... I enjoyed the video. Always interesting to see how the other half live. 🍻

[@vicpurvis5884]

Great video, Cleared up some of the confusion. NB4T.

[@Chuck1855]

After looking at the video i am going with fusion my club has a fusion repeater. We were one of the first clubs to get one when fusion started. I am new the digital stuff. Starting fresh with new equipment. Been off the air for years getting my feet wet like a new ham again.

[@Captain-ku2rm]

I've been trying to understand all this digital mode stuff...GREAT VIDEO! I am also trying to decide between buying a FUSION, DMR, or DSTAR mobile radio. I'm considering the Anytone 578 (DMR), and the Yaesu FT300DR (Fusion). The Anytone has 220mhz., the Yaesu does not. But, repeaters on 220Mhz are becoming less prolific, and some believe they're on the way out in the USA, with some of the band width being skimmed-off by the FCC to other services. So, while the Anytone has the band width advantage, as well as a stellar reputation for performance, I'm leaning toward the Yaesu, simply because the 220 band isn't that desireable to have. And, I've been a Yaesu guy for 35 years, and their quality/performance is generally outstanding. Of the two repeaters in my rural area, one is Fusion, less than a mile from my house, and the other that is ten miles away is multiple mode capable, DMR, DSTAR, and FUSION. I also have a Yaesu FT3R (Fusion), and could take it along when traveling, and easily access all the Fusion Repeaters while traveling in urban areas. If you have a cheapy with you that's DMR (Baofeng, TYT, etc...), then just use it to access DMR repeaters if need be, and the Baofengs are easy to program with CHIRP open source software. The way I see it, the real remedy is to take along the Shark OpenSpot 3 when traveling, and that seems to totally level the playing field so you can access any and all of the digital modes through your cell phone's internet connection. And, the Shark Open Spot 3 can just as easily be employed on your home turf as well. Of course, these various options with respect to cost assume that cost is no option, especially with the Shark Open Spot 3 ($300.00). Now, these are all assumptions on my part because I'm just getting started, and trying to uderstand the options. Do I understand the options about right?

[@RandomBitsRV]

I got my ham license about 18 years ago. I opted to not go down the digital path. Digital is very cool, but I think we are missing the point. Ham operators live by the motto " when all other forms of communications fail". The problem I see is that digital radios are setting themselves up to fail just like our professional radio counterparts. In an emergency, who wants to program a radio with a laptop in order to communicate with someone else? How cool would it be to just turn a dial and talk? I personally travel full-time in a motorhome, and pulling out my laptop to program my radios every time just plain sux. Seems like GMRS is the best path for me. But thanks for taking the time to share this info.

[@tecdive8045]

you are mistaken. Ham operators DON'T live by the motto " when all other forms of communications fail". Dorks live by that motto. Hams that think amateur radio is only for emergencies are living in la la land. It's entertainment - a hobby. And repeaters fail all the time - they don't even need an emergency to fail. Those who think other forms of communication will fail in a disaster, but repeaters won't are naive. HF is another story though. Also, the only radios that require a laptop to program are Cheap Chinese Junk, and DMR radios. Most Icoms, Yaesu, and Kenwood are fairly simple to front panel program. So if you don't want to have to use a computer to program a radio, then don't buy Cheap Chinese or DMR. But you should probably stay with GMRS -

[@clicky306]

Great vid, very informative and good pointers

[@ChrisBullock1978]

for me, APRS was critically important so I had to go with the Kenword D74. True it was more expensive but for what I needed and all it was worth the price. KF5GN

[@K6UDA]

APRS is a big reason the D74 is my favorite.

[@HamRadioCrashCourse]

I had the D72a which scared me off kennwoods for a while. Also the 74 isn’t full duplex so I went ft2dr instead.

[@K6UDA]

@@HamRadioCrashCourse I was scared off of Yaesu radios for a long time. The FTM400 cured me of that and the FT70 is so simple and inexpensive I had to have one

[@jiml40]

Ft2d has APRS

[@hobbygaertner420]

The AnyTone D878UV also has analogue AND digital APRS. If you had just waited a few months you could have saved yourself 600 Dollars.

[@hunt555fish]

Great job Bob.Thanks for all the info.I got a Ft2D and it is up and working.Also have a FDT 400 and need to get it up and working on digital.Using a hot spot no fusion repeater in my area.

[@bev8200]

Thanks for the no BS approach