DMZ was a Social Experiment and We FAILED

[@arpadszabo661]

Its a shame. Dmz was my favorite cod game mode ever. It had more potential than re-releasing the same game with different locations and weapons and of course this is the one that gets cancelled.

[@Nezie22]

Because it was more expensive to maintain. They don’t have to invest as much time to reuse old maps etc to keep other modes going. They could have tried to refresh it and sell it as a stand alone game, but chose not to. I for one would have gladly paid a reasonable price for DMZ that was fully supported and maintained enough content to keep the balance between missions and PVP. Sadly the must believe not enough people would buy it to make them the money they must make to do it. For the DMZ fans that love(d) this game more than any other….soon we will be left with the memories we have. There will never be another DMZ the way we had in the first few seasons. It was magic. Until they pull the plug, I will keep playing and do my part to wipe the cheaters and glitchers as best I can with my teammates.

[@mco5634]

Set a morality value of sorts. Have neutral, good, bad of these values for your character then it would be no issue recognizing those that made more antagonistic choices or responses to situations. It would add more risk within the framework of the game. i.e. kill squads may become a class like a mercenary or in WW2 It'd be a cartel member. On the opposite side it's a peacekeeper. Having other classes in between. While still having the missions and other features. It had a chance to be an entire world based on the CoD franchise. Be a different dev team devoted to this And still have the other game. Grinding at those made warzone seems easy - no bots just other operators. Having bots hone in on you on a constant basis is a pain but helpful on other modes. Will miss this game

[@KingOfKings89-89]

@@Nezie22 yea they could make a paid version and I would have been cool with that. But jest keep dmz around don't release dmz 2 dmz 3 just work on that game just as a stand alone game

[@InGodshands7]

EVER!🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@sirkarmart]

Same, bro.

[@F0ulestgn0me]

Activisions biggest failure. DMZ could have been a long term great game.

[@the_true_pepol]

I think Activision just hates long lasting games

[@lord-marroking1315]

Blame the community, DMZ failed. You just don’t see that. It wasn’t received well by the community. Not enough players played the game. It’s that simple

[@brontantwoord7266]

I love DMZ because I’m a slow paced casual player. I bought Half Life opening day old school. I like the methodical and missions. The Uber salty pvp in other game modes hold zero interest for me. Those modes are all about movment and meta. I don’t have time for full autists hyped on addies and caffeine vibrating in and out of this dimension 😂

[@F0ulestgn0me]

@@lord-marroking1315 It didn't fail due to lack of interest by any means. I'm in a discord server for people who play dmz and there's a few hundred of us, and I imagine there are alot more servers. It was dropped when Activision decided on bo6.

[@F0ulestgn0me]

@@BEAST.420G In the regards of money, yes Dmz was in the best interest. It made Activision a shit load of money for it's short life span. Enough so that if they kept 5 people working on bugs and keeping updates rolling, they could have milked dmz for another 5 years easily.

[@DonovanAenslaed]

Maybe it wasn't a social experiment but sure the interactions that would happen on it were... I got my own The Walking Dead episode once. A teammate and I were surrounded by a (back then) 6 man squad in a police station. The leader requested us to sing a Katie Perry song or we die. We refused. After a minute or so of psycho warfare another team stops by and the aggressors convince them to join the hunt. They did. Now it's a 9 vs 2 situation. They proceeded to harass us in Tandem and call every name on the book. We got fed up and told them to shut up and attack. Of course we couldn't contain all of them and lost. It just felt odd, like witnessing the worst of human nature unravel in a hostile environment. Now, DMZ is all glitches, exploits, bugs and PvP with slim chances to finish missions. DMZ was great while it lasted.

[@okiemwiejskiego]

I'm getting older and my son is more involved in playing COD, but I liked to visit DMZ from time to time. You're right, it had to be some kind of experiment. What really struck me was the method of calling for help. A natural human instinct is to help another, in DMZ calling for help is usually luring into a trap. A rather disgusting method that eliminates normal players from wanting to play this game.

[@infrared6777]

I'm just waiting for school to start back, too many little kids playing 😂😂😂. Other day was playing and this kid who didn't have a mic on at first was just driving like he was at a derby and drove us out of bounds just too say sorry guys. I was heated lol

[@archflamingo9156]

i think it’s because of the 4 man team limit which affects how teams are playing personality i wished you could have 5 man teams so two of your other team members won’t be sitting their for the rest of the game with nothing to do but wait

[@LilBleachThaGod]

issues yall always have someone pushing teams at the jump instead of using getting loaded up than pushing like bro i got 1 plate armor im making comms vest not pushing the power plant lol

[@infrared6777]

@@LilBleachThaGod I'm a team player so I'm down for the team but when the game starts and guys wanna do hunt contracts it annoys me cause ya get damn near nothing. I like to wait till mid or late match to start hunting players

[@user-dg1qz1wf7m]

Activision are idiots for not putting all available resources to this mode.

[@Jaydubz207]

They may have something in mind and are just trolling us

[@TheHCMF]

Or…. It is a great game that was given up on too soon. Someone need to make this as a standalone.

[@animanaut]

dmz, the "shooter meets looting meets murder mystery meets social deduction game meets ... sandbox game" . the endgame in dmz really resides in prox chat usage/mastery as a meta game feature. proper communication can turn a potential "return to the lobby" moment into the most awesome round you ever had.

[@redcloud9700]

I think the take away from DMZ is not a failure of the player base’s choices but more so the devs or management’s inability to balance the components of the game that made it uniquely different from War Zone while also being a profitable product. Perhaps selling skins in a freemium business model is not a viable long term profit model. It’s hard to know what the most significant choices kills a game like this. The player choices certainly play a factor but no doubt the management and execution was the biggest factor.

[@marti_abernathey]

@@redcloud9700 it’s definitely the devs that did this. See also: six man teams. That was a dev choice and it impacted the game pleasurability of the game. The game got considerably better after they did that. Leaving it to die was also a choice

[@lordr1c325]

@@marti_abernathey hard disagree on the 6 man squads. DMZ was objectively worse after that removal. There was no reason to be friendly and squad up anymore unless you were solo.

[@GoogleSucks-j4o]

Yeah so the toxic community has nothing to do with it huh? Your one of them aren't you

[@daranobrien]

Watched a streamer at final exfil another player turned up and got the ok to get on dude actually dropped all his gear to give hand over. Said streamer said he would shoot him instead Kali sticked him to death. I called him out for it as a shitty act. Got banned from his stream

[@sashagraves6842]

Mind blown- isn’t this a completely accurate representation of the evolution of man?

[@williamselby314]

your bang on with this phix when dmz had friendly players it was amazing. if choosing to be friendly or hostile people ended up being hostile. if the devs can make the nect game with a few tweaks to stop constant pvp off the bat and hunting down solos it would be better.

[@JasonCohen99]

Still playing DMZ daily .. so fun still

[@chaotictranquility228]

They should’ve had two DMZ modes. One with pvp & one without because let’s face it, 90% of people are either toxic or don’t trust anyone.

[@rgvwingchun]

Spot on about people’s frustration at other players; it’s more revealing about themselves! I never understand people who call people garbage because they were “not good enough” and then cry when they lose to the ones that are good enough….

[@drtomasdds]

I think it’s a representative sample side of how society in general behaves. I’ve met some really cool people playing and some really terrible people. Keep up the content.

[@yassel54659]

Respectfully Phix, I've been saying this since season 2.The Devs didn't fail this game mode, we failed this game mode. I swear, the vast majority of new players that wanted to get into DMZ just got ran off by the toxic people that wanted to wipe an entire server even when missions were still new. Now that's all you run into. People using glitches and/or trying to wipe the server. We turned DMZ into Warzone instead of letting it be its own thing, and letting people just have fun. There are some good people in it like yourself, but this might be the most toxic community I've ever been apart of. And heck, i've played games like destiny/2 and GTA for a decade.

[@yassel54659]

@@jdjzr9343 Yeah, personally, I gotta just not let it get to me. I fell in love with DMZ. If I was a content creator I would play as much as Phix does, everyday for hpurs. I guess deep down them deciding to kill DMZ, it broke my heart. But deep down Even though I don't believe the Devs did their best job with DMZ, And I don't want people to think I don't put the majority of the blame on them. But I feel a solid 30-40% was on us driving away new players.

[@jimtaylor431]

I have said the same for a while.. it absolutely feels like some kind of social experiment with tweaks up and down to the mechanics to see just what effect it has on people. I have had some brilliant interactions in game but also had some truly staggeringly awful ones as well. It really is incredible.

[@mh27400]

Worst thing for me is spwaning in with people who don't have/use mics. Makes coordination and gameplay difficult, then when they die, they just join another team.

[@yohan50111]

@Phixate, finally the most ideal video of DMZ after season 1/2. I have tried playing DMZ as solo until MW3 with zombies that is more PVE. Old dog BP cannot take the toxicity of DMZ. I would love to run with you just for old time sakes.

[@plantmanageradams]

5:47 parachute flying off to the left over the water

[@Anti-Villain-Wolf]

Who knows, they might smarten up and start supporting DMZ again, but I have my doubts. Hopefully Delta Force: Hawk Ops will be just as good, if not better

[@7frodo7]

If delta force takes off in a big way I think you’ll see dmz being rammed down our throats by activision. But who knows only the powers that be know and it certainly looks like they aren’t interested in dmz as it’s just not as profitable as br.

[@zocutspokuts5994]

Dmz era un modo juego increible, hice mis mejores amigos de armas en ese modo. Ahora somos unos 15. Br es un modo que al final cansa mucho es matar sin sentido, un modo para niños disfuncionales. En cambio dmz ers táctico, creaba situaciones graciosas, jugadores que te traicionaban uniéndose a otro equipo cual ratas y morían como tal. Amistades por el camino.Fue el mejor modo pars mi en años de la basura qur nos tiene acostumbrados NonActivision. LOL

[@jakedunn5827]

1:18 this is exactly what makes dmz great. Individuality available in a game is what makes it great. And toxic players just comes with the call of duty name. Wouldn’t change anything 🤙🏼

[@phred5]

Dude .. I’ve said it before, if someone had to do a essay on social behavior dmz would be the only research they would need

[@fuzzylogic33]

@phred5 this is not social, it's goof balls sitting behind a monitor with mics on

[@phred5]

@@fuzzylogic33 that went way over your head.. you good bro ? It’s their actions, the way they interact, if they choose to kill and loot over assimilation or working for something, and that’s just naming a few obvious points . But those options are actually there in DMZ

[@fuzzylogic33]

​@phred5 but it's not how the majority would get on with someone face to face, probably spotty little freaks sit in the corner picking their nose, that isn't social interaction dude!

[@stucunningham1]

The US lobbies seem so peaceful compared with EU haha. EU is like the wild west badlands kill squad central

[@ausgegebenemanlass.4598]

Bunny Central

[@stucunningham1]

@@ausgegebenemanlass.4598 haha Mr Hops 🥕

[@frankluzuriaga742]

Its more amazing that you have been able to play this for a additional year and not lose your mind !

[@SteveAldous]

I still play DMZ as a casual player Mainly fodder for the hunt squads

[@D_Rog79]

I used to love playing DMZ as I was new to the COD franchise. It’s how I learned to play. I sucked at Warzone until I really got into BR and Resurgence on new game. I mean, I wasn’t great at first, it took a season to adjust to it as I only played BR a handle full of times on Warzone 2 and resurgence maybe only twice as many times. Now, experiencing the freedom of movement and the mechanics in the new game that I didn’t have while learning DMZ, it feels too restrictive when I have gone back to play DMZ. The game is just so much faster and movement is more fluid on the new game. Now that I’m accustomed to that, I can’t go back to DMZ. Now, I understand why so many people crapped on MW2. They lost some movement and mechanics that they felt should’ve stayed in the game. Honestly, if they ever make a new DMZ and take it out of BETA, it would be best to give it the BO6 mechanics (including omnidirectional movement). That’s just my opinion.

[@FictionCautious]

Life is a social experiment and humanity has almost failed it... Enjoy what you like, do not hate. Hate will only hurt you.

[@Luke04386]

Phix upload, me click

[@bigblue9484]

GREAT VIDEO SHIRLEY ❤

[@dadboddamien]

I've been saying its a social experiment for about a year now...but yeah.. I'll still get mad at the cheaters.. because they're not playing within the rules of the game. just because it's an exploitable glitch, doesn't mean it's okay.

[@bones9498]

Gutted loved DMZ4EVR LEGEND PHIXATE🤛💪😎🇬🇧

[@otakumagnet8106]

DMZ brought me into COD and it also pushed me out. I've heard the complaints of players that the devs refused to fix the games but I didn't realize how bad they were until I played. Their version of fixing things is releasing more skins to generate instant cash rather than updating the games to increase player retention.

[@salvyballacc]

There NOTHING like DMZ. Its a whole Vibe!

[@Inshokuten69]

You actually have it really good on the US servers. The oceanic servers are chock full of chinese hackers at any time other than the morning it's disheartening. My hopes are on Delta Force, but with it being a free to play game by a chinese developer my hopes are covered in enough salt to kill an elephant.

[@murphine969]

Delta Force is gonna take this demographic of players. The toxicity definitely helped kill it, probably all the false reporting too.

[@uxbytim]

Do you have any DMZ loadout recommendations? Given the state of the game mode what insured weapons are a must have?

[@Phixate]

Theres a lot of good choices, but these should get you started AR - Hemlock w/ AP Blackout Rounds, Sniper - MCPR, SMG - Vel

[@FutureDMZ]

i use to get mad at people for their playstyle but ive grown over the past couple months and dont really care as much.

[@KingOfKings89-89]

DMZ was the best game cod has made and they continue to not update it why i really dont kno but thinks to delta force hawk ops will have that expirence again

[@chriswwjd777]

Played with randoms. Spawned in. Two of us moved immediately knowing where we spawned. I had my spotter scope and sniper rifle. The one passive guy is just standing there and gets snipes in seconds. And gets mad that they played like that. I’m like “they did what any body would do. I play like that” . I hate playing with ppl who don’t loot and hunt.

[@FreedomEagleYT]

Phix is 100% correct. Also got me thinking, how do hacking/cheating WZ streamers have millions of subs, while as far as I can tell, a legit streamer has 125k. Goes to show you peoples morals in a nutshell.

[@brocclyde4884]

I have come back to dmz. I am mission grinding weapons case grinding still having fun but dang some up dates would be lovely.

[@aarontodd9773]

Such an interesting concept bro on how they accessed the game

[@Dougiedoeschloehard]

I wouldn't know how to glitch anything haha, I'm still solo trying to survive, back on for a few days now and hasn't been to bad , alot of hiding from killers but I survived last 3 rounds haha

[@chamberlin06]

I feel like you were practicing your audition for SNL monologues hehe

[@MistahE]

I've been joking about this since I started playing DMZ at the end of S03, but I've always felt there was some truth to it.

[@MrMason.33]

DMZ was good to play, I hope they buff the darn thing in the future.

[@Yojut]

I still talk about it allllll the time. I just can not for the life of me understand how activision let DMZ go. Was it not the biggest thing to come out of COD ever!? Such a unique game mode, I wish they had made it a focus. I still play it every weekend, and still love it. But it makes me sad they let it go. I just really thought this was the one. I really really hope they are doing something behind the scenes for a newer and better dmz.. that would be so awesome

[@justrodriguez21]

No Matter how toxic it gets DMZ is the the future, if they invest in it there's no telling where it can go. Personally I'm a mission type player.

[@vueltaskelter414]

It has failed as a experiment to see if people could form a society. I loved DMZ when it started: doing the missions - solo or with friends and working with randoms. I had new friend call over Europe from it. Then around the 12 month mark loads of toxic players came in - the lazy sad losers who couldn't win in WZ - even in a team. Just a depressing mess of gloaters. I quit DMZ 8 months ago as I play games for fun and relaxation and the toxicity of DMZ wasn't proviiding either. I still keep an eye on a few streamers I like: you, Westie and Stodeh, and Onic but I can see no future for DMZ unless they re think it.

[@infrared6777]

I played dmz for like 8 months straight and I mean i played every damn chance i could do i knew the way ppl played. I stopped for 2 months and got back on and couldn't believe how much the tempo changed. Hardly anyone wants to exfil, most wanna kosheii out and final is hardly contested but it's my favorite mode bar none

[@bigblue9484]

5:08 failed opportunity to say ok...IM RELOADED!!!!!😂

[@BAG1989]

i saw someone called brad donated 5 and was so confused for a minute lol

[@chewie84_71]

I miss the good dmz days

[@RSK412]

DMZ is the greatest fps mode ever created. Hands down.

[@haxjd7260]

No man COD failed us, at first release it was really great DMZ. It's so much fun and had a blast llaying it. 4 man team was really fun and to group up to play with your frie ds.

[@shaunjensen226]

Everyone needs to remember,,, it's just pixels.

[@bittertruthnavin]

This is the reason, I am playing this game every night cause I know one day and very soon, they'll pull the plug. Phew.. it was such a nice game mode, such a realistic beautiful looking visuals and graphics.

[@theALMIGHTYYY]

I was so happy when we got new contracts to complete

[@Dustin-by7qv]

I have done a glitch with another dude this past week. I don’t play like that but I did have fun tho. The player I can not stand is the dudes who down you and act like they’re god. So happy they downed you they be texting there GF. Telling their parents. Making FB post etc. LAMES

[@rune7343]

Never give up

[@bronzy72]

dmz was so cool it feels like they dropped the ball let it roll down a hill and they said “ yeah i’m not going to get that”

[@nonenone7761]

DMZ is the only mode where Warzone 2 actually worked well.

[@dyiinbreed9750]

DMZ could been our GTA for COD players. I would easily pay 60+

[@Mr.Scootz]

Well said Phix.

[@714chucky]

I’ve been running into a ton of cheaters the last few days.. blatant aimbot under the map and underbarrel losers!

[@leonjones-henry4646]

Wall hacks underbarrel glitches one shot shot guns the game is officially broken there literally in this mode thier is no reason to cheat unless your not good at the game …. The great thing about dmz was you could be an average player skill wise but beat the best skilled players with good tactics

[@ChillBruh16]

Love the intro

[@chaotictranquility228]

People chose to hunt & grief people 😂 Plus, all the cheaters is ridiculous… No wonder they’ll get rid of it.. sucks because it was my favorite game mode but it’s impossible to beat missions.

[@fubarexress6359]

I think it'll be back! There is ZERO shot Activision/MS gives up on extraction shooters. I think they'll use this as valuable data on how to do the next game. It just wasn't well thought out. The concept was there, it just lacked a solid economy, loot pool and quests were lackluster. If they go back to the drawing board and really take their time, they could 100% make a VERY fun XS.

[@archflamingo9156]

without a mic dmz with random team mates is hell

[@Thewayofthe185]

Everyone on pc is running walls now I stg. Not moving, stealth, no ai engagement. Teams run right into me with call outs of what guns I'm using and my name. F'n wild bc they all run meta one shot builds and knifes.

[@Enzo_F430]

I would tend to agree with this, except DMZ was never supposed to be a majority pvp game mode…it was more in line with team raids and team co-op modes…the casual player who is concerned with completing missions has no place in DMZ anymore.

[@jasungraham8325]

I just don't wanna stop at DMZ , i want something better than DMZ for the gaming community. The future will let is know !!!

[@grandmarquice3655]

Al mazrah was a ghost town when I played it last week.. I missed the peak of DMZ..

[@FiveInline84]

Still lot of players out there in Mazrah.

[@Armzed1]

The final straw for me was when my team got downed,i saved them,gave them both self revives,then i got downed,they both looted me first, then revived me,took all my stuff,everthing. I understand the rules, its fair game if youre on opposite teams but this was different ,i helepd these guys gave them styff amd theu still looted me,i took it personal 😄 Uninstallled the game. Still play it from time to time,solo only 🙏👑

[@DYung91]

I loved DMZ. I played all play styles it was real fear and suspense when playing this, the fear of losing all your shit what made it fun for me. It was like real life figuratively speaking when saving ppl that died or being a dick killing friendly ppl 😂 good times and bad times.

[@BNT461]

The worst thing about dmz was that you couldn't progress without a team because of the terrible missions...I really liked it but got bored because of the shitty missions everything else was good even the toxicity

[@tryzinpew]

I only installed the game because of DMZ and i still am a regular player so the isn’t dead yet. If only Activision would allow mod support

[@McCrapweasel]

I'd just like to play again. Have they fixed the mega lag problem yet?

[@HoratioVelveteen-nl5kw]

Well it's not lagging nearly as much as MW3.

[@McCrapweasel]

@@HoratioVelveteen-nl5kw Baby steps, I guess

[@Desolaytore]

No, still getting nearly non stop packet bursts.

[@aapg123]

All I've played with today is my team leaving me to join with their friends to make a 4 man squad right away this is sad

[@Mapiovski1]

Well worded sir

[@JohnZilian]

What sniper is that?

[@MouseSpart]

i would like an open world team based 3d shooter game, i dont care about the rpg inventory type game, it can be like half life 1... and still be fun.

[@zteejay4499]

I really enjoyed dmz just wish they woulda kept up with it on mw3

[@NorthStxrr187]

I love dmz me an my mate played it alot but needed more investment shame it didn't get it

[@airlogic]

I gave up DMZ because they kept resetting all my achievements and added crap noone wanted. I did cheat. Unlocked doors that had key glitches. How else could you find GPU's back then😅🤣

[@spitzndtruth1484]

Imo the game vith all the variables is what makes this a thrill to play. Come up against hacker's cool scuba glitch and swim away...your solo and being hunted relentlessly by a pre made platoon with 8 advanced UAVs glitch out lol the game has evolved ive noticed more welcoming players than toxic so as for a fail as you put it id disagree i think DMZ showcases human nature as in you have good people fair people trash people cheats and liers lol DMZ really is a true mirror of society nicely packaged and which gives you the ability to overcome most of the bad elements most of the time....i hated the flaws the hackers, the glitches but i have come to appreciate that this is what makes DMZ the absolute BEST GAME there is at this point in time MW3 is a joke.....and i haven't spent a dollar on it. 😂😂 See you out there lads!

[@dawiecoetzer7651]

Did that guy at 5:00 say "chillin'" or "kill him"?

[@Dougiedoeschloehard]

I would have jus kept driving , getting away from you haha

[@Speedz2002]

I only play Vondel map in random 3 player squads. I like to do a couple of missions and exfil. Don’t mind PvP - I get my arsed kicked more often than not. What I cannot stand are verbally abusive teammates and teammates that rob you before picking you up or rob you and don’t pick you up 🤬 What kind of upbringing have they had.

[@marcus11619]

Quit whining about the glitches. If you’re flying from the zip lines then you’re glitching too fam

[@sergfree5857]

DMZ nowdays is exactly what I want it to be. I accept all the cheaters. I just do not care. Every single game in DMZ is a unique story. Some stories are bad, some others should be never told but still it is as it is.

[@daranobrien]

Ppl play the game relative to how they are in real life. Kosh glitch = take easy way out. Turncoat= can't be trusted

[@igordrotsky5677]

i.m.o, it's about getting players to move on to new games. so they leave broken features in old games and refuse updates. more money. 🤔

[@_BRABBIT]

quackdar would have gone hard

[@HoratioVelveteen-nl5kw]

Can't wait until Delta Force replaces this game for me. At least those devs will take care of their game.

[@Nezie22]

I’m with you. Sadly from what I have seen so far, it doesn’t seem to have the same magic DMZ once had. All these other companies rip off other games…if someone could just rip DMZ off and make it the same with all the improvements we need and continuous support, I would happily pay for that.

[@Royallyiinfamous]

Once it was discontinued I was done 🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@marsultor8235]

The guy that killed your teammate by the ship was exploiting the power generator in the corner of the platform to “hide” like in the cabinets in the med wing of B21. All in one video you had an exploiter and a good sport ha

[@hfg1293]

Made me think about how I play the game.