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@LucanVaris2 жыл бұрын
"Vecna pulls out an ancient Amulet of Summon Deus Maximus." _pulls out a sledgehammer from under the table. Smashes your figurines._ *NEVER* fuck with the DM! D:
@joeyattack992 жыл бұрын
Opinion time: It's a bit weak. I'm running Vecna at 5 (maybe 6-7 depending on circumstances) level 10 adventurers, and I think they might steam roll him :/
@stefanomartinelli73442 жыл бұрын
One thing, the advantage on samurai from Xanathar is only for melee Attacks. Sorry, but I had to, laterly I have been possesed by the Ghost of a rulelawyer. I now Remember more rules while playing, but Always feel the Need to "actually..." And correct Someone.
@KevinVideo2 жыл бұрын
I supported the campaign when it first launched. So glad I did. What an absolute boss of an adventure.
@vvsandgaming46482 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that the DM will be designing the lair and that statblock is just a guideline... imagine if he also had Wizard_Necromancer levels and items as well like the amulet of ultimate evil
@justanotherglorpsdaymornin50972 жыл бұрын
So Vecna can be beaten by two weaker spellcasters working together. The power of friendship really is no joke.
@schizophrenic_rambler2 жыл бұрын
The power of META
@spiritobsessedchild99382 жыл бұрын
The power of cheesing your opponent so badly that they'll be allergic to it for the rest of their existence xD
@AugustoEL2 жыл бұрын
Well cheesing used to be the name of those strategies but it was never taken seriously, friendship is not until you see it in action and a few doofus kids kill a god with it.
@M9Seradon2 жыл бұрын
Action economy is no joke
@backcountry1642 жыл бұрын
Spellcasters?? Two fighters with bows and Vecna doesn't even get a turn...
@krieggfn38962 жыл бұрын
Vecna: "It's over Rogue! I have 25 passive perception!" Rogue: "You underestimate my power!" Vecna: "Don't try it!"
@sirken22 жыл бұрын
meanwhile my casual 40+ stealth rolls XD with pass without a trace and a -5 to perception due to Elven cloak
@gabriel101x2 жыл бұрын
Yea the Rogue in my current party can't roll below a 30 for stealth and that's without pass without a trace. Vecna ain't seeing shit 😂
@sirken22 жыл бұрын
@@gabriel101x im also a gloomstalker sin champ multiclass so if I get a surprise off its HURTS 8 arrows at your face all SS all crits XD
@Paradox-es3bl2 жыл бұрын
@@sirken2 Gloomstalker sin champ? I’m guessing this means Gloomstalker/Champion Fighter multiclass… but what’s the sin part stand for?
@balefulbunny2 жыл бұрын
@@Paradox-es3bl Assassin
@NecrelKitsune2 жыл бұрын
One thing to note: This is Vecna pre-Ascension.
@ColgateMcajax2 жыл бұрын
I think wotc is just releasing this just to look for the ways this vecna is killable and then release post ascension vecna with the obvious weaknesses removed plus more to counter all the entries made to kill pre ascension vecna.
@NecrelKitsune2 жыл бұрын
@@ColgateMcajax post-Ascension vecna would likely require beyond level 20 ruling for leveling beyond just the boons that are given by wotc. If he was below CR 35 to 40 I would be brutally disappointed. Also it'd be fun if they also included a harder mode for post Ascension with him reunited with his eye and hand.
@alexbarn38412 жыл бұрын
@@ColgateMcajax post ascension Vecna will not be getting released almost assuredly, as far as I’m aware 5e has had a policy of not releasing stat blocks for gods. D&D learned it’s lesson from AD&Ds Dieties and Demigods when people started killing all the gods within it and getting insane god-level artifacts. This kinda pissed off Gygax and now we have Tomb of Horrors as a result.
@boldbearings2 жыл бұрын
💘
@dizzydoom4230 Жыл бұрын
@@NecrelKitsune Late, but there's actually a Vecna statblock out there post-ascension in the homebrew book Ulraunt's Guide to the Planes: Shadowfell. In it, his base is that he can multi-cast two spells per turn (at will up to 4th level spells). He has an innate vulnerability to damage from the Sword of Kas, but it explicitly says in the statblock that if he's reunited with the eye and hand? He loses his vulnerability and can now multicast *three* spells a turn and gains an additional Legendary Action, bumping him up from 5 to 6.
@maxkogan37852 жыл бұрын
Wanna know what's truly insane? This is literally "You Fools! This isn't even my final form!" Vecna. Archlich Vecna was the state he was in before he achieved godhood and later an even greater divine rank. Vecna at his peak is infinitely stronger than what wizards gave us. Wizards themselves confirmed that this is Vecna before achieving a Divine Rank, and if you look closely his CR is the same as Demogorgon, Orcus, and Zariel. So before peaking, he rivaled the Prince of Demons in Power as well as a Fallen Solar now Archduchess of the Baator. How's that for scary?
@patrickmcathey70812 жыл бұрын
Just Pointing out orkus can literally make him as a servent…… I find it amusing a cr 26 encounter can have the ability to summon a cr 26 encounter as one it’s actions.
@maxkogan37852 жыл бұрын
@@patrickmcathey7081 if you take it literally, yes. Lore wise, I don't believe Orcus has enough power to control Vecna anymore by this point. But yeah it is funny thought.
@sharp_iodine27372 жыл бұрын
@@patrickmcathey7081 How can he do that? Is it in his stats? I could not find it while Googling
@nathanjones1682 жыл бұрын
@@sharp_iodine2737 Orcus showed him how to become a lich and gave him some power I believe, and he wouldn't give that for free.
@Watcher40K92 жыл бұрын
Also, they give the DMs the option to boost up the fight by giving him the Book of Vile Darkness. Strategic selection below: Select the Major Beneficial Property for 'immunity to Blinded, Deadened, Petrified, and Stunned conditions', and now his Truesight is not inhibited by Heavily Obscured effects and he can 'see' for his counterspell. Take 3 Minor Benefical Properties of DMG Resistance for Magical Piercing, Magical Bludgeoning, and Fire. This protects against ranged weapon users, fire is very common and spells tend to use DEX saves Vecna lacks, and it should help with the chance a Meteor Storm hits him in a blitz attack. 3 Minor Detrimental properties can be 'Blinded when separated from book by 10 ft', 'Deafened when separated from book by 10 ft', and 'destroy Holy Water within 10 ft'. The Major Benefit negates the first two, since you are still attuned even with distance. The third is just a benefit for undead. For the Major Detrimental Properties, take the 'rotting flesh' and 'kill a creature of your alignment before attunement'. His flesh is already rotted, and killing an evil subordinate who failed him is nothing new. Now he's buffed up significantly just from the random (or DM decided) properties, along with the other defined properties.
@nero7842 жыл бұрын
After the beholder episode and this... God, these are so good! The "strength/weaknesses, into beat the bad guy, into cheese him, into secretly a guide for sadistic DMs" HAS to become a series!
@chiepah22 жыл бұрын
Yeah, his low HP and lack of legendary actions really makes cheese possible, but to be fair, at this point of his career he's just a really strong spell caster. Sounds like 3 archers with high initiatives just ends the fight too.
@shapshane82412 жыл бұрын
make that two, non-optimized archers. treantmonk talked bout how weak vecna is
@spartaneternal84232 жыл бұрын
I would argue that no party should reasonably be in a position where they could cheese him via range. On top of the fact that you’ll probably also be dealing with an army of undead plus several lieutenants at the same time.
@RisenRen2 жыл бұрын
@@spartaneternal8423 Well guess what. The level 20 Adventure has you fight him alone in an enclosed room and he can actually get 1 rounded by some unoptimal arcane archers with no magic items. GG
@spartaneternal84232 жыл бұрын
@@RisenRen A level 20 one shot isn’t designed to reflect Vecna’s full capabilities as a villain? Call me surprised. I’m not saying this statblock can’t be cheesed. I’m saying that this cheese would have no impact on Vecna played to his full ability in an actual campaign.
@RisenRen2 жыл бұрын
@@spartaneternal8423 This statblock isn't anywhere near representative of his full ability in the first place.
@DnDShorts2 жыл бұрын
What do y'all think of Vecna? I talk about it more in the bonus video, but I really like what they've done with this stat block! Feels like no matter what it's going to be a good fight, unlike other bosses where they either kill the party instantly or are a total pushover. #TarrasqueProblems
@erikdouglas99522 жыл бұрын
Feels weak as hell tbh :( AC is tiny, HP is a joke. 2 Arcane archers with absolutely 0 gear can 1 round him before he even goes... His HP needs to be tripled and he needs legendary actions.
@PowerHouseProdigy2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, I think this statblock is a pushover for a level 15 party let alone a level 20 one. He's a legendary evil archlich with higher Wisdom than Intelligence, No 9th level spells, and No legendary actions. What's keeping a fighter from casting "stab" and killing this man in a round or two. He does have escape spells...but he's an Archlich. Why should he need to use them? Did he get this far by running from every fight he found himself in? Kind of ruins the whole evil fantasy of being an "Archlich." I *do* love his Dread Counterspell and Bonus Action Teleport, though.
@deathtoexistance2 жыл бұрын
For your cheese strat make sure to specify that you make the forcecage with bars not a solid wall. While it is invisible you cant target a location that has the path from you to it obstructed, hence forcecage can work with bars but wall of force never will. I think noting his sight as a limiting factor is important, but truly his main weakness is 18 ac and 250 ish hp for a cr 26 monster. The 80hp heal is nice, but its once per round at best. Without legendary actions hes pretty pants. Also people are saying his spell list is great, but it's really not. He has a bunch of noob trap spells, non upcastable lightning bolts aren't going to be useful at this level. Twice a day regular invisibility is bad. Why does he have fly as a concentration spell that takes his one action when most monsters of that level just have a fly speed? Why is his only useful concentration spell dominate monster which is once per day? why is his plane shift once per day and only on himself? I think his only useful spell is at will animate dead, which implies he should have an near endless number of minions with him at all times. But even though he has that apparently the adventure lists him as being alone in a small chamber, meaning to can't make use of his mobility and stay at range well and loses the one good thing he can do. Hes supposed to be one of the greatest spellcasters ever, but he's just not. Any high level wizard can do what he does but better and that's sad. Even in his best case scenario vecna needs major modifications to be challenging to a party of adventurers at a level that he's supposed to challenge them. The fact he has bad initiative and no legendary actions plus the low tank stats makes it very likely he won't do anything at all before dying, making him very anticlimactic.
@probablythedm16692 жыл бұрын
Weaksauce. Way too few hit points and having no legendary actions means he's likely to die before he can act against some decent initiative rolls. :( I'd deffinitely buff him, a lot. Max hit points, and legendary action and lair actions. Then maybe he'll get to act and live past turn 1. 😉
@ZulatobariGreatforge2 жыл бұрын
I think the worst part, is that you’re supposed to fight him in an enclosed room, with no minions to help him. Unless you just decide to escape and fight ok better terms, the teleport is almost useless. That enclosed space is also part of his lair too, so he does *want* to fight there. Honestly, Treatmonk’s fix of making Vecna immune to B, S, or P unless from an artifact, would do a decent trick.
@gailengigabyte62212 жыл бұрын
Maybe, as a bonus action, Vecna can pull out the Book of Vile Darkness he has in his person, gaining additional spells like AOEs, as well as turn his actions (outside of spellcasting) into legendary actions. But other than that, as a DM planning on having Vecna in a campaign, adding shield and subtle spell is an awesome idea to prevent cheese. You sir, just got a sub!
@Hyacin2 жыл бұрын
Always a treat to see another fun mechanical breakdown!!
@O4C2092 жыл бұрын
I've said this in Treantmonk's video on Vecna: Vecna being a "Time Wizard" should automatically win initiative. He can also cast Fly at will so he should be flying before the start of the battle. In addition to having Shield available, I would also change Invisibility to Greater Invisibility. I think those were mistakes made by WotC. Afterthought is for stabbing the spell casters. +13 to hit. 20 Con save. Until the individual succeeds on the save, they can not regain hit points.
@ivodijkman1372 жыл бұрын
Wait, where do you get the Time Wizard Vecna thing from? 'cus if so I might have found a nice tie-in for my Chronurgy Wizard player in a world where time travel is quite literally supossed to be even out of the reach of Gods xD
@spartaneternal84232 жыл бұрын
Remember this is nerfed Vecna for your standard dnd party. This is Vecna on his day off. Optimized Vecna would be nigh unbeatable. Although I agree with all your points.
@HallowedKeeper_2 жыл бұрын
@@ivodijkman137 Its in the lore of the Vecna Dossier, this Vecna statblock isn't even Vecna at his full power (He takes this form to torment his enemies, if he actually got serious you wouldn't be fighting this statblock)
@a0point0of0view12 жыл бұрын
Since when is Vecna a time wizard, he's famous for his necromancy and being a major contributor to the vile book of darkness
@HallowedKeeper_2 жыл бұрын
@@a0point0of0view1 Its in the lore of the Vecna Dossier, he is regarded as a powerful time wizard (In fact, the stat block they give him is pre-ascension. And its specifically called out that this is pre-ascension vecna, and it can exist because of Vecna's mastery over time magic.
@Sethzenjion2 жыл бұрын
Way of the open hand monk just straight up hard counters vecna. At just third level you can remove his reactions with no save against it.
@aaronwilliams88872 жыл бұрын
Yep! By far his greatest weakness is anything that removes reactions, particularly without spells.
@Zulk_RS2 жыл бұрын
I mean to be fair, I feel like Monk in general is the Anti-Mage class. Vecna, as powerful as he is, is the Mage Super Boss
@Spiceodog2 жыл бұрын
A shocking grasp would also work
@Spiceodog2 жыл бұрын
@@Zulk_RS nah, abjuration mage or glibbed bard with counter spell is the strongest anti mage. A bard with glibness on can guarantee counter spell a 9th level spell with no roll necessary , using a 3rd level spell slot
@vulcorethegreat12202 жыл бұрын
Hit him with shocking grasp an he can't do anything
@Ryuflare12 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the stat block, my very first thought was "That's a lot of Necrotic Damage. Hey. Aren't higher level Undead Warlocks just immune to being Frightened and Necrotic Damage? Go Pact of the Blade, grab Improved Pact Weapon for a Longbow, and just fire away at 90ft away and he just cannot hurt you."
@sidecharacter71652 жыл бұрын
Does this Vecna have Robes of the Archmagi? I didn’t see his 3 Attuned items.
@mickeysmagic892 жыл бұрын
@@sidecharacter7165 the stat block doesn’t account for any items outside of Afterthought (his dagger). The adventure they released recommends letting him use the Book of Vile Darkness he has embedded in his chest, or even giving him his Hand and/or Eye. Nerd Immersion gave him a +4 to his INT from the Book of Vile Darkness (+2 from it’s own effect and +2 from the “Major Benefit”), which upped all his DCs by 2
@travisdunlap45262 жыл бұрын
Vecna agrees your combo is mighty (cast Dominate Person), you will be a fine addition to the team.
@sidecharacter71652 жыл бұрын
I think a tank holding him down in an Anti-Magic field would be more than enough to take him down.
@shealupkes4 ай бұрын
late but get sharpshooter at some point and hit him from 600 feet away
@drewforchic90832 жыл бұрын
My home additions to this stat block include everything one gains from using the Eye and Hand of Vecna that isn't already included (x-ray vision, 20 STR, +2d8 cold damage to melee, extra spells and charges for them ((other than finger of death, Rotten Fate is already a better version)), immune to surprise, regeneration 1d10 hp per round while not unconscious, turn-your-bones-to-jelly-Touch, and 1/month casting of Wish) as well as Turn Resistance (or honestly even immunity) like regular liches that Vecna would logically also possess. Also a 60 ft fly speed built in so he doesn't have to waste his concentration on Fly, since he can already cast it at will.
@chaosjimthevoidlord37622 жыл бұрын
A high level rogue with a Druid in their party can definitely sneak up on him, with the rogues +17 to stealth, and then a pass without trace spell for a +10 to stealth, the rogue will easily be able to sneak up on Vecna.
@Weegiest_beegi2 жыл бұрын
You can’t just roll high on stealth and successfully sneak you can’t be in view when you sneak
@chaosjimthevoidlord37622 жыл бұрын
@@Weegiest_beegi yes, but as long as you can reasonably sneak up on him, the rogue can and will.
@Ahglock2 жыл бұрын
@@chaosjimthevoidlord3762 Yeah unless Vecna hangs out in a empty room all day odds are you can sneak up on him like you sneak up on anyone else.
@chaosjimthevoidlord37622 жыл бұрын
@@Ahglock Just casually walk up behind him with a +27 to stealth. He’ll never see it coming.
@absolutelybuttons71642 жыл бұрын
Your high-level rogue has reliable talent, so its stealth floor is already 27 without PWT. A ranger can also do your combo solo (Canny for stealth expertise, already has PWT).
@maximillianhallett30552 жыл бұрын
Bro, you offering your work for free to those that can’t afford your patreon convinced me to sub. Good on ya.
@ccnc28962 жыл бұрын
Vecna Vs level 20 characters is a joke though, Treantmonk analyzed that 2 fighters with no magic weapons can kill him before he takes a single action
@override3672 жыл бұрын
How can this be? Reddit has decided that fighters are worthless at tier 4 gameplay (except for the fact that all tier 4 bosses have LRs and basically teabag spellcasters but martials can throw out 1 and a half disintegrates on an average turn in terms of damage)
@crystallxix14932 жыл бұрын
@@override367 They are unless they just kill you the first turn
@The_polishcrusader2 жыл бұрын
Fighters go bonk vecna
@1stCallipostle2 жыл бұрын
Vecna: Has a head Doesn't have legendary actions Isn't immune to Magical slashing (though the nonmagical immunity could be interpreted as a block here from how it's worded) Is medium One Vorpal Crit, depending on ruling, could do the trick outright
@mickthelick57882 жыл бұрын
@CcNc Was going to say something similar. For 3-4 level 20's this version of Vecna is really not a challenge at all.
@strongsmith18972 жыл бұрын
Something overlooked here is that Vecna is considered a god, and could easily just chill out in an anti magic field and still cast his spells through it no problem, thus being immune to all magics you try to toss at him. Edit: I was unaware that the stat block given was before his assent into godhood, so unfortunately he’s gonna still be gimped by Antimagic
@inky79932 жыл бұрын
The statblock version of Vecna isn't a god, it's before he became a god
@strongsmith18972 жыл бұрын
@@inky7993 good catch I didn’t notice that! I stand corrected
@wesleywyndam-pryce53052 жыл бұрын
I see nothing that says anything about anyone being able to ignore the anti magic field in 5e even if they were a god.
@strongsmith18972 жыл бұрын
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 read the spell anti-magic field, namely: “Spells and other magical Effects, except those created by an artifact or a deity, are suppressed in the Sphere and can't protrude into it.”
@drewforchic90832 жыл бұрын
It's worth noting in regards to Vecna Vs Orcus that Orcus, as written, has the ability to summon a Vecna to fight for him, in addition to a second basic lich and demilich all at once
@rangleme2 жыл бұрын
Vecna and the various parts of Vecna have been around for LONG LONG time - since 1976 in Eldritch Wizardry. I remember player characters talking about getting the hand or the eye of Vecna and me just thinking, "hmmm - our future does not bode well". These over powered but cursed items would eventually destroy the party from within and lead to an unstoppable TPK when we actually encountered Vecna. I'm talking utter and humiliating devastation without a glimpse of hope. My thieves would open a chest to reveal a moldy hand or petrified eye and simply turn to the party and answer, "Empty, nothing to see here". DMs would catch on to my tricks and started having the ring of Vecna or the amulet of Vecna. If pressed about it, I'd reveal a pouch of gold that nobody knew about just so that their natural inclinations about my natural inclinations to steal party treasure seemed to pay off. Of course I stole party treasure, I'm a thief, but I'm not a stupid thief... I'm not doing anything with Vecna. Being a sneaky thief generally made me sole survivor in most TPKs. Then it became my job to drag their dead bodies back to town and cough up my "hard earned" gold to raise the lot from the dead. Enjoy your Vecna encounters - TPKs for everybody.
@sidecharacter71652 жыл бұрын
Head of Vecna was too OP.
@crunch12162 жыл бұрын
I rule true sight to be quite unstoppable. For my setting it can only be stopped by anti divination, anti magic, or lead. I think that's reasonable for being called TRUEsight
@aaronwilliams88872 жыл бұрын
agree and disagree. For me the creature still has to be able to see, so blindness effects can shut down. at the same time i do think it should bypass things that obscure vision, but not through objects. otherwise a party casting true sight now has xray vision though all objects that are not lead. but I can see why you want to buff it, creatures that rely on it are cheesable if you know the weaknesses. damned if you do, damned if you don;t
@agilemind62412 жыл бұрын
Same, if the players complain I just say they have Blindsight as well as Truesight.
@jeffreygregory37342 жыл бұрын
How does that make sense? By that same logic people with true sight should be able to see thru walls
@crunch12162 жыл бұрын
When I use true sight it's not by a basic person casting a spell or through an item. I think of extra planar beings who have gone past eyes and stuff. But I can agree that the more mild versions of true sight can't see through solid walls. And I'll agree that blinding a person might stop their true sight depending on how they are blinded
@wesleywyndam-pryce53052 жыл бұрын
@@aaronwilliams8887 thats the point of knowing the WEAKNESS.
@Rob-tq7xq2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s really cool that you offer the patreon video for free for those who can’t afford it. I also think the discord dm is a good way of going about it.
@ChaoticTrapper2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes another thing for the bard to boink
@BLSXful2 жыл бұрын
I love how you introduce the titles. That voice is level 20
@Silverstar-wt5rj2 жыл бұрын
“Twenty minutes later I was 12 inches deep into orc female” I’m dead 🤣
@yuridezanet75602 жыл бұрын
That Vecna is the statblock before his ascension to Godhood, that's why it's beatable. Well, technically in 3.5 there was a statblock for Vecna and many other gods, but they where absolutely insane, much much more than this Vecna and you needed to be a god yourself to kill one.
@Meshifuari2 жыл бұрын
People often talk about fabled 3.5 e stat blocks of gods and I am sitting here trying to Find ONE for years.
@gabriel101x2 жыл бұрын
Those stat blocks were just for the Avatars of gods not the gods themselves.
@gabriel101x2 жыл бұрын
@@MeshifuariThe Trove used to be a great website where you could find PDFs of old D&D books. It's been taken down now but you can still find a lot of its stuff on the way back machine.
@mke30532 жыл бұрын
Deities and demigods 3.5e great book Also Faiths and panteons
@mke30532 жыл бұрын
@@gabriel101x Man, wich site you know instead of the trove?
@ghackotpony2 жыл бұрын
Well done. Your commitment to improving your content is clear to see in this vid.
@kevaughnmerrill65342 жыл бұрын
That was an A1 ad man. Great work!
@elliotthartup40952 жыл бұрын
Me and 3 other players took part in the level 20 oneshot that was put out with the Vecna stat block. For DMs worried about cheesy strats like the ones in this video, just make sure your players aren't planning to meta game. Most of our players were short notice, and the ones that weren't intentionally didn't look at the stat block. One of our characters was killed, the rest of us were on middling to low HP. Obviously be wary of your players, but even at level 20, you absolutely have a chance to give them hell
@ermacmacro71362 жыл бұрын
Interesting point of order. A tricky DM might be able to give Vecna some of the powers that his eye and hand give him. Since those were cut off of him when he was in this state. So it would make sense that he can actually pull those powers out
@WetzforLife2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video especially the how to win. For my campaign I was going to run Vecna as the final boss and with this video I know how to modify him to fix those mistakes.
@casbot712 жыл бұрын
Meta-magic subtle spell is a useful feat to give a Wizard, it opens up so many options including _run away… run away_
@ThePhanomas2 жыл бұрын
Great video man! Very useful, nice editing and good pacing
@gendissaray2 жыл бұрын
We ran a one shot combat with this, archery itself wasn't so great because he could teleport to cover, however the archer had a bow of certain death so he couldn't regain health.
@CaptnJack2 жыл бұрын
spell Dimensional Anchor, and immunity to necrotic(or resist) damage takes care of a lot of that awesomeness
@christopherjohnson79642 жыл бұрын
dread counterspell is the biggest f you to spellcasters ever and i love it
@DirtyBertie2 жыл бұрын
I love that it’s challenging stat block not impossible takes cheese or some good tactics to beat
@thecamarrow02 Жыл бұрын
Another thing is that Vecna can also cast Animate Dead as an action at will. So depending on the initiative order before getting by the players, he can summon some zombies or skeletons to try and break their concentration for him or keep them busy
@nahrikkon2 жыл бұрын
a smoke bomb being able to block true sight is certainly something
@flareinc74132 жыл бұрын
This way of killing Vecna is frakking amazing. :O I thought your builds thus far have been brilliant but this is so much more amazing.
@TheOneWhoShushes2 жыл бұрын
archer nova build: *pushes tarrasque away* now this, this is big game!
@jeefberky91012 жыл бұрын
Amazes me that a literal god wizard barely accounted for having the same weaknesses as basically every spellcaster
@RevantheBlack2 жыл бұрын
This video is amusing since at the last game I was in, our party dwarf rogue decided to literally piss on an effigy of Vecna…the DM left us with a cliffhanger (to be resolved this weekend) of something coming at the party.
@stevenclark21882 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of Vecna trolling the party with the occasional counterspell as soon in the campaign as they know eachother exist.
@89qwyg9yqa34t11 ай бұрын
All you have to do is challenge him to a "running with scissors" contest and hope he rolls a 1.
@travisdunlap45262 жыл бұрын
So having tried out a series of Vecna battles on Enworld, one thing we learned about the Afterthought Dagger. Vecna can Rotten Fate someone down to 0, move into melee, and double crit them with the dagger....instantly killing them. It is a very nasty way to truly finish a PC.
@chrisdavies8660 Жыл бұрын
That smoke screen needs to be deployed within 40 feet to take affect because targeting a point takes line of sight for you also.
@Spendleton2 жыл бұрын
Might I suggest the other half of a wombo combo with Force Cage... At 6 levels of exhaustion, the creature dies. Sickening Radiance XGE p164 4th-level evocation Casting Time: 1 action Range: 120 feet Components: V, S Duration: Concentration, up to 10 minutes Dim, greenish light spreads within a 30-foot-radius sphere centered on a point you choose within range. The light spreads around corners, and it lasts until the spell ends. When a creature moves into the spell's area for the first time on a turn or starts its turn there, that creature must succeed on a Constitution saving throw or take 4d10 radiant damage, and it suffers one level of exhaustion and emits a dim, greenish light in a 5-foot radius. This light makes it impossible for the creature to benefit from being invisible. The light and any levels of exhaustion caused by this spell go away when the spell ends.
@elizamalaguld90642 жыл бұрын
Now this is something I can get behind
@Hazslin2 жыл бұрын
Condition Immunities : exhaustion
@Spendleton2 жыл бұрын
@@Hazslin woo well played Vecna... Well played. Works on just about anything else though XD
@graphthis22493 ай бұрын
I always give liches the Mislead spell and start encounters with it active… and every time it catches players off guard.
@asingularletter29482 жыл бұрын
truesight means he can see out of the force cage , so he could bonus action teleport out of the cage, though the fighter method may work, you still would have to beat him in initiative.
@thewalnutbucket2 жыл бұрын
he can't see through the fog with truesight through, so if its heavily obscured area then he couldnt see passed the cage. The cage is to keep him from moving regularly
@cooperton49492 жыл бұрын
I believe he's only got +3 initiative. A level 20 Archer is likely to have a 20 dex and therefore a better initiative bonus
@rednassie11012 ай бұрын
You can also: 2 level 17 scribes wizard and tempest cleric with the metamagic adept: subtle spell and the elemental adept: lightning feats. Both subtle spell meteor swarm and change the damage type to lightning and use the channel divinity to deal max damage. This is 240 damage per caster, ignores resistance and can't be counterspelled
@VolatilisAzure2 жыл бұрын
brutal! but what would be even more humiliating is finding a way to trap Vecna in an amulet, kind of a genie in a lamp deal only there's no way for him to escape unless someone/thing destroys the amulet
@Skinofgod2 жыл бұрын
Nice video and fair play for giving links away free on your Discord as well. Only comment I would say is I didn't like the split second text showing up at times in the background. Not sure what was going on there. Looking forward to more.
@tazkol2 жыл бұрын
acerarak: ah that's adorable you think he's the threat
@josephcalandra47032 жыл бұрын
Dude your content is so fun and has me laughing nearly the whole time! Thank you because I really need to laugh right now! 🤣
@chrisstanton702 жыл бұрын
i like how you made us roll a perception check (which i passed btw) in this video lol
@insanemang99832 жыл бұрын
You know I'd love to see a boss that spawns in numbers equivalent to who's fighting it and each one is a perfect clone of the each party member all the way down to their stats and items they are carrying on hand.
@PrinceMeNb12 жыл бұрын
I'm planning something like this as soon as I get to trap my players in the feywild.. Thinking of the magic mirrors from different fairy tales
@d_andrews2 жыл бұрын
So unless your DM coordinates them worse than you do, you have a 50% chance of a TPK? Seems a little high for me. Could be cool if you came up with a good way of nerfing them slightly, e.g. they have no proficiency bonus for the first round or two as they get used to their new forms
@patrickmcathey70812 жыл бұрын
My campaigns bbeg literally is a sentient mirror that does this.
@lokstir45682 жыл бұрын
We just fought Vecna in my weekly game. It wasn't actually Vecna, just the last form of the big bad was the Vecna Stat block. There was also some adds and lair actions, and our lvl 20 party was pretty tapped out. We managed to beat him one round. My paladin got to act first after the enemy transformed into this Vecna statblock and I had Holy Weapon up. I was completely out of spells, and our DM made it sound like the big bad was going to try and flee or teleport away once he could. In fact his previous form could teleport as a legendary action as well. So I popped the Holy Weapons ending ability to try and blind him and he failed. Once blinded he could use almost none of his abilities. No teleport, no healing, no counterspelling. And it was very simple for 5 level 20 characters to deal the roughly 300 hp to kill him.
@Shildran2 жыл бұрын
"Why do we want to defeat Vecna? Why not join him?" Warlock with pact of the Undying
@cmeade822 жыл бұрын
Always wonder what would happened if the Sword ok Kas was wielded by someone with The Hand of Vecna
@PastorBablАй бұрын
Not sure if anyone has pointed it out but I think your microphone input is off. Sounds like you're coming through your webcam bro lol good luck! Thanks for the info on Vecna!
@Jamusse2 жыл бұрын
Liked for the Crown ad alone lol
@Evilution-dt2yq2 жыл бұрын
I don't think the dagger is useless, each strike forces a high con saving throw and apon a fail the target Cannot heal until a successful re-save but this effect happens every successful hit with the dagger, rendering healing useless
@luisspragg15462 жыл бұрын
The way I'm going to run it eventually is use this as phase 1 battle and use the guide to the shadowfell book off of dm guilds stat block in which is insane
@Gobblener Жыл бұрын
My character:Please just stop this madness I’m only a level four dragon born wizard working for the shadow wizard money gang
@ahrenstarr62732 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Been binging them lately. And given the humor on display, I think you will take this comment in the jovial spirit intended. Does your microphone have to buy you dinner to get that level of attention? =)
@rampagingrhino25792 жыл бұрын
Anyone know how to dm this guy for the fight between Orcys and Vecna? His link sends me to his Discord Server, but I can't seem to find even so much as a q&a for contacting him specifically, did I overlook something?
@sterbenvailrend12212 жыл бұрын
A strange but over look feture you can use matching the cheese strat would be a nice supply of scrolls. Silence scroll can't be counter spelled though it's save is a bit weekend. Might be some more cheese when adding that into the equation. Or am I wrong and misread something?
@carumsarene2 жыл бұрын
*Listens to Vecna's statblock* Yeah, that might scratch my Moon Druid a bit
@Lastofthesigilites2 жыл бұрын
True Polymorph a Tarrasque into a human and magic jar into its body. Now no spells can touch you.
@karlmdennis2 жыл бұрын
Kit your halfling archers out with arrows of slaying to really hammer Vecna, he ain't going anywhere but down. No no no not like that, YOU ANIMALS!
@Bobbydbobbyd2 жыл бұрын
This is amazing! Im actually planning on him being the BBEG of my homebrew, but when i looked at him I decided he was a bit weak. So im having it to where he has access to thr book of vile darkness. Im also allowing him to use his eye and hand, bc its vecna? Why not?
@Watcher40K92 жыл бұрын
As the DM, may I suggest manually selecting the random properties for the book? The Minor Beneficial would be good to add some dmg resistances. Some of the Detrimentals can actually be boons for undead (like destroy Holy Water in 10 ft).
@Bobbydbobbyd2 жыл бұрын
@@Watcher40K9 Oh most definitely, and I feel that the detrimental might balance out the chaos
@rampantsarcasm22202 жыл бұрын
You are the DM dude, you can buff him as much as you want
@TheRealGraylocke2 жыл бұрын
Treantmonk Temple dropped Vecna in one round with a pair of level 20 human Arcane Archers with no magical items. The only provision is that everyone rolls a 10 on their initiative checks. The AA's beat Vecna's initiative, and stay at range. Vecna's reactions are useless as no spells, no one in melee range. Vecna's effed.
@DiceNAnarchy2 жыл бұрын
Forcecage has a verbal component to it as well, so if you're too close after casting Silence you can't cast it.
@Gladuos12 жыл бұрын
Any DM that leaves Vecna in an open room with no assistance is probably running the encounter wrong. The silenced, obscured forcecage is all fine and dandy until his magic helpers remove it for him. Aha!
@foxfire72 жыл бұрын
How to fix Vecna: 1) Dont forget he *has* the Book of Vile Darkness encased in his chest. 2) Give him a spell list with spell slots.
@wesleywyndam-pryce53052 жыл бұрын
lore isn't a statblock, statblock don't mention the book. he has w.e items the dm pleases.
@HallowedKeeper_2 жыл бұрын
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 Their is a side note that says "If you wanted to add more challenge, consider giving him the book of Vile Darkness" which to me is reasonable, the thing that made this Vecna Statblock unusual was the fact that they didn't give him his lair actions (You'd most likely be facing Vecna in his Lair, which gives him lair actions)
@kurtacus35812 жыл бұрын
@@HallowedKeeper_ they dont give lair actions in the stat block but in the adventure they give lair action if the dm wants to add them in for more of a challenge
@HallowedKeeper_2 жыл бұрын
@@kurtacus3581 It should be on the same page as his statblock, not in a single specific adventure. (Literally every other creature with Lair actions has it on their page)
@kurtacus35812 жыл бұрын
@@HallowedKeeper_ it should. But i was just informing you that there is lair actions. You just have to look at the adventure that is included with the vecna statblock
@MatthewLickers2 жыл бұрын
I do just want to reiterate this is before he was betrayed by Kas, thus before he became a true god
@zackmarkham42402 жыл бұрын
'Passive perception of 25, so you aren't sneaking up on him' (looks at the multiple times I've pulled off 40+ stealth checks on a non-optimized-for-stealth rogue/warlock) I beg to differ... as long as he is using his passive and not checking for it.
@peebleshamster51892 жыл бұрын
I had an idea for a combo, and I wanted to see if the god of combos thought it was good. Mind running it over? The gist is to take 14 levels in illusion wizard, 2 in fighter, and get the spells silent image and plane shift. Any time you feel like destroying the material plane, cast silent image, making the illusion of some dark matter at it’s shwarzshield radius (the size at which matter turns into a black hole), then use action surge to cast plane shift and go to another plane. On your bonus action, use illusory reality and make the illusion real. This will create a black hole that will destroy the planet and the solar system, and then, a minute later, disappear from existence. Seems like it’s all legal, just not lawful.
@haerdalis842 жыл бұрын
One issue - metagaming. Dark matter is a modern discovery. No wizard in a fantasy setting would be aware of it, let alone the amount needed to create a black hole.
@peebleshamster51892 жыл бұрын
@@haerdalis84 That’s fair. You could do any other material, but I chose dark matter because it is the densest material in the modern world. Adamantine should work as well.
@johannesmikkonen12422 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the objects made using illusory reality can't deal damage or harm anyone directly. Honestly that's a really cool idea, but thankfully someone thought of that before you.
@peebleshamster51892 жыл бұрын
@@johannesmikkonen1242I thought of this too. You make the matter, but the black hole deals the damage. Sure, one could argue that it would still not deal damage for some reason, but still, the damage does not need to be done for the aftermath to still occur. Once a creature or object is pulled to the event horizon, it’s trapped in the black hole. And things made by illusory reality can certainly move creatures and objects. The black hole will then disappear when the minute runs out on illusory reality, making everything disappear. I’m telling you. It’s foolproof!
@johannesmikkonen12422 жыл бұрын
@Nathan Parece I mean, you could argue that The matter doesn't cause damage directly, but as a DM, I would NEVER Allow this
@frost5762 жыл бұрын
You can also beat vecna as a level 1 sorcerer all you need is a bag of holding and the spell catapult now you can cast catapult 2 before a long rest now cast catapult on the nearest pebble, preferably a 1 pound pebble. Repeat this until you have 500 1 pound pebbles in the bag of holding. Once you reach vecna just turn the bag of holding inside out pointing the bag towards vecna. Now he must roll 500 dc 12 dex saves, for each save he fails he must tak 3d8 damage, for each he succeeds he takes half that damage. And that’s how you beat vecna at level 1
@Vareon-r1h3 ай бұрын
Isn't Vecna the god of magic? How does he not have access to all spells like a LVL 50 wizard or something? Even his avatars should at least have spell slots like a LVL 30 wizard and have all spells prepared at all times.
@batteredskullsummit98545 ай бұрын
Vecnas kit is very giga brain, tons of outplay potential but punishing if he messes up bc long cooldowns
@omnishangout7472 жыл бұрын
This is great, are there more of these?
@Gnomkiller20002 жыл бұрын
Best ad ever 10/10
@kura18242 жыл бұрын
Could make his dagger a dagger of blindsight and that would cover his forcecage weakness.
@DDCRExposed2 жыл бұрын
1) Hilarious ad break as always 2) Good to see the D&D Shorts creative way to break and humiliate Vecna 3) Those monster fights are fun, right?
@SageSaga252 жыл бұрын
The most dangerous spellcaster ever printed? I recommend looking at Sul Khatesh on D&D Beyond from Eberron. You could make a great video on how to beat her, it's much more difficult than pre-god Vecna here.
@jonathanp9419 Жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thank you, I was very concerned running him in my first Homebrew Campaign and one of my players is an absolute mega mind caster and I was very concerned with Vecna getting away to continue the story but it sounds like Subtle Spell will solve this concern.
@someonesvagabond2 жыл бұрын
Where is that Lich animation from where he closes the door with a d20 sigil?
@HantaleMedia2 жыл бұрын
As was covered in Treantmonk's video: The fighters don't even need to be optimized. All they need is high dex, and sharpshooter, and they're pretty much good to go. Not giving vecna any reaction defensive spells was probably an oversight.
@crankysmurf2 жыл бұрын
No Legendary Actions? [pulls out Vorpal Blade]
@benjaminodonnell2582 жыл бұрын
The problem with these strategies is it assumes Vecna is alone. While his experience with Kas means he may not ever again want a retainer who approaches his level, he's gonna have a bunch of level 10-15 henchmen forming up his own "party/bodyguard" - say, 1-2 melee fighters, 1-2 archers, a rogue/assassin type, an evil cleric, 1-2 arcane spellcasters (his apprentices), plus Vecna's familiar and any constructs (e.g. Golems) he has made. Unless he's on some super secret errand where he doesn't want to "roll deep" with an entourage, you're very unlikely to encounter him alone .
@dubsackken5 ай бұрын
I get the recent hate for dnd but it’s refreshing to see content that is just fun again
@leonkr84932 жыл бұрын
I guess if Vecna can be cheesed like that i should look into Tiamat more and think what my group could do to her if they reach them.
@Saberwolf712 жыл бұрын
And all of this new artwork looks EXACTLY like Chris Perkins, BTW.
@rareram2 жыл бұрын
So you're not sneaking up on him... Vax: Hold. My. Beer. Rolls... Uh yeah that's gonna be a 37.
@PadanGedowitch2 жыл бұрын
Heavy makes actually sense, it's just badly named. It should be called unwieldy. Just imagine a three to five year old wielding a polearm or trying to draw a long bow to full length. Just rename short and long bow into hunting and war bow, as there are powerfull composite bows and weak longbows.
@willvasser72532 жыл бұрын
It makes sense according to physics but in a game of magic and fantasy why can’t a halfling swing a great axe
@TheoVect2 жыл бұрын
Do you have any kind of support for when your coupon code does the reverse? The item was 129.99 on sale for the bundle, but when I applied your coupon code it jumped it to normal price, even though it still shows 129.99 on sale on ghostfire's store.
@TheProteanGeek2 жыл бұрын
Yet in the end he isn't dead for good, just temporarily defeated. He comes back in his new body because he is a Lich after all. Next time he might even remember to bring some of his undead servants with him.
@maeror10222 жыл бұрын
I think I'm just going to make my own statblock for vecna tbh