D&D's Lost Subclasses (And How To Actually Play Them)

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@DnDShorts
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@Ariolander
@Ariolander 6 ай бұрын
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@tehmanticore
@tehmanticore 6 ай бұрын
I've been thinking more and more on this lately: Why can't Wizards just spend more gp and time to add a non-Wizard spell to their spell list? When magic seems to come so easily to every other class, and Wizards have to pay so much just to play their class, it makes sense that their research skills enable them to access any magics - eventually. It would explain why Wizards can become the God of Magic, and with the right balancers, the burden of the spellbook could finally be a reasonable asset.
@garyco766
@garyco766 6 ай бұрын
Well, these classes aren't "lost", they're Unearthed Arcana, and therefor not legal at most tables.
@Plugh13
@Plugh13 6 ай бұрын
@@tehmanticore if the spells are granted by deities or other entities, they won't necessarily be available to wizards, as the casting requires some sort of cooperation by the patron being. The one that always confused me was that bards get cure wounds. I'm interested in the thought process behind that decision.
@tehmanticore
@tehmanticore 6 ай бұрын
@Plugh13 It's certainly a break from tradition, and for when I've seen healer Bards played, a welcome one at that. If the classes can share spells, and Wizards can become the God of Magic or the God of Spells (which can have Cleric followers), then I think there's more to it than that. It might need more figuring out than normal arcane magics as I said, but it should be possible for this, the researcher self-magicked class.
@unironicallylikesranger7122
@unironicallylikesranger7122 6 ай бұрын
Play an aasimar. Be a wizard. Choose the school of Theurgy. Select the Arcana domain. Continue to spiral and disorient your allies with your circular theming
@Merilirem
@Merilirem 6 ай бұрын
Wanted to say this. Its so funny.
@eitberko
@eitberko 6 ай бұрын
I came here to say arcana domain theurgy wizard, but I knew in my heart it had already been said
@eitberko
@eitberko 6 ай бұрын
Could also go nature domain, for a cleric themed wizard but the cleric is druid themed
@alegbh8713
@alegbh8713 6 ай бұрын
I immediately read the arcana domain to see if the combo would be as awful as I thought. Your domain spells are all wizard spells, so you get nothing new here (I guess that if you add all of them to your spellbook you have access to the full cleric list, but that takes until level 9 at least and committing to adding 10 spells you might not want to your spellbook). At second level (I'm going by wizard, not cleric level) you get proficiency in Arcana and 2 wizard cantrips, also nothing new. Your channel divinity is a Turn One Fey/Elemental/Fiend/Celestial + Banishment so at least it's something. at 10th level you get to dispel a spell effect on an ally when you heal them, which you can't do because you don't have a single healing spell (unless you've added every single domain spell to your spellbook). And finally, at 14th level you add 4 more wizard spells to your domain spell list; this feature is actively detrimental to the Theurgist, because since one of those spells has to be level 9, there's a spell in your domain spell list that you won't be able to get until you are level 17, which means that if you went to the trouble of adding every single domain spell to your spell list to at least get some cleric spells, now you're locked out of doing that for 3 more levels. All in all, insane build, you're pretty much playing without a subclass 0/10 utility, 3/10 flavour, 10/10 bafflement.
@lyntoncollins2758
@lyntoncollins2758 6 ай бұрын
@@alegbh8713 There is one at every convention, people. Ignore.
@matthiasshadowblood7111
@matthiasshadowblood7111 6 ай бұрын
Okay but imagine this. Theurgy Wizard with the Tempest Domain. You now have Tempest Domain's powerful channel divinity, with access to powerful spells for Lightning and Thunder from the Wizard Spell List So now you have a Wizard who can just decide "Nah. I'm just going to deal maximum damage on my Chain Lightning instead of rolling"
@PhoenixKnight777
@PhoenixKnight777 5 ай бұрын
This is partly why Theurgy wizard was insanely overpowered
@Feanor6450
@Feanor6450 5 ай бұрын
@@PhoenixKnight777 Is that much more broken than just taking 2 levels in tempest domain and being a scribes wizard though? this also gives you the proficiency's of cleric, including heavy armour and martial weapons, it gives you some good level 1 spells and cantrips, and lets you change any damage spell to lightning and then do max with it, lightning ball, 48 average damage in a 20 foot radius sphere, I think that is more broken than the theurgy wizard personally.
@truekurayami
@truekurayami 4 ай бұрын
@@Feanor6450 It depends on your build, Clerics by their nature are designed as leaning more towards half-caster with a stronger lean towards spellcasting, If you want to go full caster Theurgy Wizard of Tempest, added in with the Sorcerer subclass provides more benefits towards being a full caster with Thunder and Lightning.
@Feanor6450
@Feanor6450 4 ай бұрын
@@truekurayami ah good point.
@finnthehydra622
@finnthehydra622 4 ай бұрын
Take metamagic somehow and grab Transmute Spell. Give your Meteor Swarm lightning damage and max half of its total possible damage
@gaelofariandel6747
@gaelofariandel6747 6 ай бұрын
Forge Theurgy Wizard. A true tank Wizard. I don't care how big the room is--I'm immune to fire damage. I CAST FIREBALL!!"
@DoomedPaladin
@DoomedPaladin 6 ай бұрын
I love playing a Phoenix Sorcerer/Fighter/Paladin that uses a whip. Reflavor the whip as a chain, and after convincing the DM to give me a cool mount, then I'm playing _Ghost Rider._
@lrioje1
@lrioje1 6 ай бұрын
I played a Death Domain Theurgy Wizard for Tomb of Annihilation. It was so cool. Basically, instead of being a worshipper of gods of death, he studied them all. Amazing necrotic blaster.
@Merilirem
@Merilirem 6 ай бұрын
Wizards who study gods and learn their powers are just epic.
@SebasTian58323
@SebasTian58323 5 ай бұрын
I'm not gonna worship you, but I am going to study your secrets until I know how you give the clerics their abilities.
@AlexRussell-c5v
@AlexRussell-c5v 5 ай бұрын
@@SebasTian58323 wizards turn the esoteric nature of magic into a math formula to better understand it and control it. My favorite class for flavor
@truekurayami
@truekurayami 4 ай бұрын
This honestly works with the nature of wizards so well, as most wizards are already doing this with Mystra and outside the evil ones are basically her unofficial clerics. Theurgy Wizard takes up the idea of being a mortal emissary of Mystra towards the Divines of other Domains and adds logic to some subclass types, like Divine Soul or Draconic Heritage Sorcerer would obviously have such a mind set towards their respective divine ancestry if they were a wizard.
@justinpicard9292
@justinpicard9292 6 ай бұрын
I played a fire genasi fiend warlock that broke free of their pact and was reborn as a phoenix sorcerer
@FluffieXStarshine
@FluffieXStarshine 5 ай бұрын
ooh that's actually a cool twist, I like that.
@toadallyawful
@toadallyawful 5 ай бұрын
that's dope!
@MrVideo540
@MrVideo540 6 ай бұрын
I remember playing the UA Brute Fighter. I had so much fun with it. I remember being so sad when there were no plans to officially release it
@aroseydragon2873
@aroseydragon2873 6 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to fail at reading the mind of the corrupt noble just to watch him loudly fart during an important meeting
@feralart
@feralart 6 ай бұрын
I see the College of Satire as being the stand up comedians of D&D.
@sagenod440
@sagenod440 6 ай бұрын
I like the dice at the bottom left that represent each chapter, nice touch
@benthomason3307
@benthomason3307 6 ай бұрын
a theurgy wizard picking arcana cleric as their domain would be the equivalent of that time Brian Cranston walked around wearing a mask of his own face.
@joeyfromschool
@joeyfromschool 6 ай бұрын
i LOVE the satire bard, that’s such incredible flavorful mechanics. Like that seems like so much fun
@orsonankers4127
@orsonankers4127 6 ай бұрын
I wish the College Of Satire was just really sarcastic and had an ability called Poe's Law where nobody understands what they're trying to say half the time
@KevinVideo
@KevinVideo 6 ай бұрын
Really glad that you made this video. Ted/Nerd Immersion had a player use the phoenix subclass so he tweaked it so that it was in line with Tasha's subclasses and fixed the janky wording. Would definitely love if you did a follow up video on additional subclasses we never saw such as the archivist artificer (I know a lot of people were fuming that never got printed), brute and sharpshooter fighter, giant soul and stone sorcery sorcerer, Raven Queen and seeker warlock patrons, as well as the onomancy wizard. The Raven Queen one is probably the one I was most disappointed that we never got, but my 3.5 friends who enjoyed the truenamer class were really looking forward to the onomancy wizard subclass.
@crapname9692
@crapname9692 6 ай бұрын
I created an oath of treachery paladin about 2 weeks ago, loving the idea behind it's abilities. Thank you so much for putting it into the eyes if the people.
@jnhensley09
@jnhensley09 6 ай бұрын
The Phoenix Sorcerer is Joshua from Final Fantasy 16.
@thegayghost872
@thegayghost872 6 ай бұрын
Undying Light Warlock sounds really similar to Celestial
@johnowen5662
@johnowen5662 6 ай бұрын
I think it has all, or at least most, of the same features, just at different levels. This was probably a prototype for the celestial warlock
@SionSweet
@SionSweet 6 ай бұрын
I spilled coffee all over myself this morning, spent the day stuck in mind numbing tasks, and was feeling low. I now have new classes to play AND a new TTRPG that my remote self can play, even alone. What a turn around, thanks!
@oughtought468
@oughtought468 6 ай бұрын
I play a Theugy Wizard and another benefit is if you learn all the spells on you cleric spell list you then have access to every Cleric spell.
@oughtought468
@oughtought468 6 ай бұрын
I also play a Forge Cleric.
@woutvanostaden1299
@woutvanostaden1299 6 ай бұрын
I could see a wizard like this faring decently well picking up twilight domain. Getting that 5th lvl paladin spell that gives you something like spell evasion would be entirely worth it and if it's a gestalt campaign you could add peace domain cleric too. Although I take aasimar and gravitate towards rune knight. Becoming the ultime aura/turn disruption specialist with maybe order instead or it would be too cheezy powergaming. (But rune knight does also work really well with peace domain or cleric domain) I could also see amark of warding dwarf rune knight/theurgy tempest wizard with metamagic initiate being very decent. 😂😂😂😊
@kaiserbun95
@kaiserbun95 6 ай бұрын
I love Theurgy Wizards. I have been running them in my games for a few years now as NPC Priests and even had a player like them so much they made one after their first character died. A Life Theurgist that made it from 3rd to 10th level before dying in a tragic mishap within the Shadowfell.
@rogerpellicano5340
@rogerpellicano5340 6 ай бұрын
These all seem really cool, and there's a few more that I really liked when I saw them. Giant Soul Sorcerer- basically Rune Knight for sorcerers. You get different powers and spells based on which giant you're descended from. Stone Sorcery- Tank Sorcerer. You get more HP and permanent mage armor, your can protect your friends, and if they get hit you can teleport next to them and literally smite them. You get smite spells added to your spell list, that seems so cool. Revised Beast Master-It's a better beast master, but the standout ability for me is that your beast levels up with you, even getting ASIs when you do. It doesn't specify, but as DM I would allow the beast to take feats instead, which could lead to some wild shenanigans, like a beast proficient in greatswords or a beast with a familiar and firebolt from Magic Initiate.
@LawrenceDomkowski
@LawrenceDomkowski 6 ай бұрын
Old issues of Dragons Magazine contain many fun and off-beat character classes. Most are not very good, but a few can be a lot of fun. Classes like The Jester were just over the top.
@SamanthaVimes177
@SamanthaVimes177 6 ай бұрын
I REALLY like the dice with the timers. It's fantastic and really helps my Autistic/ADHD brain focus so I don't have to keep checking where KZbins lil red bar is. Thanks for your effort!
@Thelegendarybros2
@Thelegendarybros2 6 ай бұрын
The only gripe I have with Phoenix Sorcerer is that the transformation can only be used once per long rest. Once used up, you're basically just a sorcerer without a subclass for the day. I would say that to fix up the subclass is to have the transformation be used an amount of times equal to either your Charisma Modifier or your PB per long rest. Alternatively, it can still be used once but instead recharges on a short rest.
@omous7770
@omous7770 6 ай бұрын
My fix for it was to allow it to be used again for 5 sorcery points.
@Thelegendarybros2
@Thelegendarybros2 6 ай бұрын
@@omous7770I actually really love this idea! 5 seems a little steep but it makes sense for how strong the transformation is!
@gonzosabbath
@gonzosabbath 4 ай бұрын
Not only do I love all of these options, but there's something very funny about having known about them or played in a game with them before. I was so hyped to hear the satire bard brought up cause that tumble is SO ICONIC
@aaronhull9505
@aaronhull9505 6 ай бұрын
Small nitpick, Celestial Warlock is the same as the light warlock, just with the features slightly changed and in a different order. Having healing light at 1st level and giving a 60 foot range is amazing.
@ozpin8329
@ozpin8329 5 ай бұрын
I play a Phoenix Sorcerer/Undead Warlock multiclass in our group's Eberron game! She was a runic scribe in a former life when she was attacked by a vampire, and in order to stop the transformation into a spawn she absorbed and bonded a rune of fire magic into her soul. It's a really fun character to play thematically. When she's transformed using her Form of Dread, her Mantle of Flame is black and red fire that swirls around her.
@helixxharpell
@helixxharpell 6 ай бұрын
We're creating a whole set of sub classes for the base classes for Khor The World of Many Portals. Those sub classes are EXTREMELY MARKETABLE to players & DMs who want "world-specific" subclasses that can easily be "ported" to their own worlds.
@garyasselstine9186
@garyasselstine9186 6 ай бұрын
I'd like to learn more about Khor and your subclasses. Where would I go?
@garyasselstine9186
@garyasselstine9186 6 ай бұрын
All your multiclass building videos and NOW lost subclasses!?! You're driving me CRAZY!!!... Thank you sir. Just a couple of comments... 1. Without meaning to poach your material from Ryoku... Could you find find us some more "lost" elemental subclass builds for a L5R flavored game? (A metal mage, a sea sorcerer, a wood witch, an icey enchanter... etc) 2. If the builds are OP and are all members of the same party, do they help even everything out?
@frederickkeeslar1761
@frederickkeeslar1761 6 ай бұрын
They're not lost subclasses, they're unearthed arcana. You're meant to play test them to see how they work in a D&D game and give your feedback. I would say 90% of the time with Unearthed Arcana classes/subclasses they're just too OP, but times have changed. 2018 me would say that the Twilight and peace domain were way too overpowered and would never be published in a D&D manual. But D&D has had significant power creep with its new subclasses. I would say look them over with your DM Make sure they're not too OP since they're basically just fancy homebrew.
@everythingsalright1121
@everythingsalright1121 6 ай бұрын
Lost in the sense most people probably havent heard of them especially more casual players who go to the once every 2 weeks session or newer ones who dont follow the game news religiously
@birubu
@birubu 6 ай бұрын
Need a pt2 with Raven Queen Warlock. That thing is awesome, a bit underpowered in combat but very good utility, and is “pretty much good to go” besides being “too specific” a patron. Plus, you can have both your Sentinel Raven and a Raven familiar to be Odin with one on each shoulder.
@RichiePootle
@RichiePootle 3 ай бұрын
I reimagined the patron so it wasn’t as specific. My backstory was that I got lost in a winter forest. Spotting a flock of crows circling in the air I went to investigate. I found a Hag, who offered to have one of her crows lead me out of the forest…
@XanderMander006
@XanderMander006 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the Phoenix Sorcerer! It would give me the excuse to play as an actual phoenix (picking Aarakocra for my race).
@SebasTian58323
@SebasTian58323 5 ай бұрын
For the satire bard fool luck ability, I'd do it a little differently. Whatever you roll when you use it, you can't use it again until you are penalized. You can only be penalized when you roll the same number again. So until you roll the same number, you have to roll your bardic inspiration die for all your attack rolls and ability checks. It does not add the bonus, but once you roll the same number you first rolled, you subtract it from your attack roll or ability check and have to describe the humorous way you failed-or succeed despite the subtraction.
@Cornfiglep
@Cornfiglep 6 ай бұрын
4:40 I'm actually pretty sure you CAN'T keep adding the charisma mod to Flaming Sphere each turn since Radiant soul does say "When you cast" meaning during the instance, ala fireball, or scorching ray. Also you can do that Agathys/Damageshield combo with Fiend.
@aquamarinerose5405
@aquamarinerose5405 6 ай бұрын
I wish we got a Phoenix Sorcerer that worked like Pathfinder 1e's take on the concept, where you can make your fire spells heal your allies
@morrigankasa570
@morrigankasa570 6 ай бұрын
Very interesting video, the only Sub-Classes mentioned that I would like are: Undying Light Warlock, Phoenix Sorcerer, and Theurgy Wizard. The other 2 are not my style/preference.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 6 ай бұрын
Genie Warlock 10 plus Ranger(any subclass) Deft Explorer 10 equals upto 288 fireballs in a day, every day, forever.
@Lafinout
@Lafinout 5 ай бұрын
As a Dark Pit main and a paladin player in DnD I appreciate his theme playing on the paladin part.
@teddytackleson595
@teddytackleson595 5 ай бұрын
With your homebrew suggestion for the Satire Bard, my first reaction is that it would be a little problematic because it would let players purposely do some meaningless roll to get rid of the penalty, but the more I thought about it the more that absolutely falls in line flavorwise for a kind of jester bard who will do some kind of stunt and purposely fail to play it up for laughs (like slip on a banana peel or get pied in the face). Cool video all around!
@rusticdebris8021
@rusticdebris8021 5 ай бұрын
Phoenix soul sorcerer is so fun with Transmute Spell and Elemental Adept. Ignore fire resistence on powerful fiends and dragons, and make EVERY spell a fire damage spell with a few sorcery points.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 6 ай бұрын
Pheonix Sorcer combined with Ascendent Dragon monk and a fire based Dragonborn is insane damage output. Add in the Fire Mastery from a one level dip in Mystic and you have a legit whirlwind of fire. Each of these breathweapon says you can replace one attack with it's use... and you have two of them, so you can breath fire twice on the same attack. Every attack is fire with big bonuses. Every breath attack from two source is fire with huge bonuses. The simple Dragons Breath spell that gives a breath weapon attack every turn gets all those fire bonuses. Make em an elf with elven accuracy, something like an Eladrin with that fire wave fay step, for more fire damage if you dont want the dragonborn. Alternatively is the Pheonix 1, Mystic 1 dips on something as simple as a Lore Mastery Wizard who can change the damage types of their spells and a wild card out of class spell casting each day.
@everythingsalright1121
@everythingsalright1121 6 ай бұрын
This sounds fun but how many levels do you need to do this? Im new to dnd so im not so familiar with multiclassing
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 6 ай бұрын
@@everythingsalright1121 1 Level Pheonix Sorcerer for Mantle of Fire for +Cha to all fire damage rolls(limited uses and time). 1 Level Mystic(any order by Immortal is probably best for this) with Fire Mastery for a +2 to all fire damage rolls(passive and always active). Every other level into Monk Order of the Ascendant dragon. The dragonborn types I can think of immediately that breath fire are Red, Gold, Bronze and at least one of gem types. You will want access to Burning Hands spell and Flamebolt cantrip from Sorcerer. Collect magic items that give you more castings of area affecting fire spells. Your race will give you a few breath weapon attacks each day. Your Monk will give you another few different breath weapons each day, but can spend Monk's Ki points to use it more if needed. Oh, and put a skill proficiency into Performance, and you'll make all the money you want as a Firedancer or Firebreather in any sizable city. Adding the Control Flame cantrip would add to this.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 6 ай бұрын
@@everythingsalright1121 1 Level Pheonix Sorcerer for Mantle of Fire(+Cha to fire damage). 1 Level Mystic(Immortal) for Fire Mastery(+2 to fire damage), Giant Growth and Beastial Form. Everything else into Ascendant Dragon Monk. Take a fire based dragonborn race(Red, Gold, Bronze, et cetera). Highly suggest Rewarded background for the free Magic Initiate feat. Select Bard(Cha based) for Dissonant Whispers and a couple of fire based cantrips. Will want the following feats... Fighting Initiate - Tunnel Fighter (Free opportunity attacks) Sentinel (Opportunity attacks stop movement) Polearm Master -Use a spear (Opportunity attacks when entering reach). And use the Ogre Form ability from Mystic's Giant Growth(+5Reach and +1d6 damage) when using tunnel fighter. Will also enjoy Fighting Initiate - Mariner for +1AC and adding a Swimming and Climbing speeds to the character who already has access to flight from dragon wings.
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 6 ай бұрын
@@everythingsalright1121 here is another fun one with a similar bend... TAZER FACE! The ultimate crowd control build. Dex and Wis build, middling Int for Mystic dip. Str, Con, and Cha are irrelevant. Start with Ranger to maximize weapon skills and minimalize multiclass requirements. Bugbear Long Limbed, Stealthy, Suprise Attack Ranger/Hunter 3 Tunnel Fighter, Horde Breaker, Deft Explorer Mystic/Immortal 1 Storm Mastery, Giant Growth, Beastial Form Cleric/Tempest 6 Thunderbolt Strike Monk/ Ascendent Dragon 10 Breath of The Dragon, Draconic Disciple All lightning damage causes a Tazer like effect. Thunderbolt Strike, all lightning damage pushes target 10 feet away(up is away), resulting in falling prone and taking 1d6 bludgeoning damage. Draconic Discipline gives all unarmed attacks Lightning damage. Breath weapon attacks are all Lightning Damage.(upto 17 of them between rests) Find/make a spear with lightning damage. The Spear is a monk weapon that counts as a polearm. Tunnel Fighter and Polearm Master permit use of the Spear for more attacks on incoming targets. Sentinel causes all targets of opportunity attacks to have 0 movement, on top of being knocked prone by Thunderbolt Strike. Horde Breaker provides an extra base attack when facing multiple opponents. Mystic with Giant Growth gives +5 reach passive, and upto 2 mins of Ogre Form for an additional +5 reach. Beastial Form could alternatively provide upto 2 hours of Beast Hide for +2AC. Storm Mastery is a little more lightning flavor. If Mystic isn't allowed go with level 4 Ranger/Primeval Guardian instead of Hunter, for the +5 reach, but no Horde Breaker extra attack. Call Lightning to chase around little clusters of enemies? Tunnel Fighter and Sentinel to hold back the waves of enemies? Toe to toe with the big guy and landing lots of hits? Blasting away with upto 17 breath weapon attacks in a day? Watching a squad of enemies get tazed 17 times in a row would be fucking hilarious.
@timnewton-howes5206
@timnewton-howes5206 6 ай бұрын
Ive always thought that each paladin subclass should have its own oathbreaker version so its nice to see another one here. An oathbreaker watcher paladin just doesnt seem like it would be the same as an oathbreaker crown paladin - but they both get oathbreaker and the same skills and spells.
@TheCeekon
@TheCeekon 6 ай бұрын
I'm happy some of these are getting more love/ notice. I once upon a time played a Oath of Treachery Paladin changeling. The Jester Knight. Its essentially a better version of Trickery domain from the cleric but for Paladin and I love it for that. Two UA's I also loved were Stone Sorcerer and Onomancy wizard. Stone Sorcerer because I am all about that Hybrid life and we dont really have a proper rep for Geomancy and the like in DND outside of a few spells. Onomancy because Name magic nonsense can be REALLY interesting in how its used. I was able to play this once in a One shot the devil who dropped and in darkness (the spell) just proceeded to get blasted by me whos hiding behind a wall, hitting him with a remote fireball that does Force damage. It was wacky and I loved it.
@rikku2ryoga
@rikku2ryoga 6 ай бұрын
I wish I still played... I would have LOVED to multiclass a monk with the pheonix sorcerer... finally a way to turn "supersayian" and still actually be able to cast spells
@Notagain-y6o
@Notagain-y6o 6 ай бұрын
I really like the stone sorcerer. It is the melee sorcerer we never got to see.
@humansteve3402
@humansteve3402 6 ай бұрын
I want more dragon subclasses
@Ganurath
@Ganurath 6 ай бұрын
Where's the Dragon Pact Warlock at?
@everythingsalright1121
@everythingsalright1121 6 ай бұрын
More dragon themed ones that worked better would be nice...
@chattychatotchannel
@chattychatotchannel 5 ай бұрын
I’d want more fiend and fey subclasses and also a lycanthrope subclass
@RandomName87126
@RandomName87126 3 ай бұрын
I KNEW PHOENIX SORCERER! JUST PLAYED ONE RECENTLY!
@otakuofmine
@otakuofmine 6 ай бұрын
Makes me think of the Dark Eye magic tradition Rascal. people kidnapped by kobolds (fairies there) as a kid, trained in jester magic. their whole thing is to question things, do tricks and pranks. and with specific spells - often funny ones that still give a huge advantage. like ha you clumsy (and fumble easier) or ha sticky glue (ur movement is slowed) or ha u only talk jibberish (harder to cast spells). he can have "living" toys with him or magical hobby horse. best spell: destroy treasures.
@Echolaliaxu
@Echolaliaxu 6 ай бұрын
That bard subclass would have been the last nail in the monk's coffin
@Platemage-ev6nm
@Platemage-ev6nm 6 ай бұрын
One of my favourite things to do as a homebrewer is to go through old UA and update it so my players can use them!
@terrorofdeath3280
@terrorofdeath3280 6 ай бұрын
I'm about to run a Witchlight campaign with a couple of friends that both took the Witchlight Hand background, and one of them asked if they could use College of Satire for their Bard. I immediately fell in love with it, and let it in.
@Amalikada
@Amalikada 6 ай бұрын
Funnily enough a few weeks ago I used an oath of Treachery Paladin as a villain who betrayed the father of one of my PCs years ago. It was an incredibly deadly encounter, almost too deadly! 😅 Definitely a very cool and dynamic bossfight, provided your party is of the right level for them to be a challenge.
@kendaar9002
@kendaar9002 6 ай бұрын
For college of satire, i would suggest letting anyone call the bad roll instead of making it your next roll. It lets everyone get in on the fun and keeps it more for random key moments rather than it being predictable
@M0th3ater
@M0th3ater 6 ай бұрын
We actually allow clerics in our group to multiclass into cleric, provided their chosen second cleric class matches with a domain their god has. Its never been a problem, and we’ve had both cleric/clerics and full class clerics, to great effect.
@Reepicheep-1
@Reepicheep-1 6 ай бұрын
Satire Tumble + VicMok: when they see they Just Can't Touch You, they die a little inside. 😘
@Adraeth
@Adraeth 6 ай бұрын
"When you die, simply explode, and come right back !" Thank you, I'll try to remember that crucial advice if I ever die IRL as well.
@Tryson101
@Tryson101 6 ай бұрын
I would be interested in seeing a lost subclass for each class in the future. I didn't even know that these existed.
@theomegazed213
@theomegazed213 6 ай бұрын
My personal favourite forgotten subclasses are the MTG clerics: Solidarity domain is an interesting support tank combo, Strength domain lets you be a war cleric with shileighleigh or thorn whip, Ambition is a slightly different trickery cleric, and Zeal domain is tempest domain turned up to a million (replace lightning damage with fire damage and give it haste and fireball). I love these subclasses but never see them talked about
@RichiePootle
@RichiePootle 3 ай бұрын
I really liked the Raven Queen patron for warlocks, although I reimagined it as a Hag I encountered in a wintry forest
@Ivel1oss
@Ivel1oss 5 ай бұрын
Theurgy wizard is actually so cool wtf. I really hope they return to this idea eventually.
@robinyodathelilacbunny7419
@robinyodathelilacbunny7419 6 ай бұрын
I wish prestige classes were still a thing. Loved being able to play a bard, rogue, or sorcerer and then jump into Harper scout.
@KinoGeno
@KinoGeno Ай бұрын
Just listed off a bunch of UA subsclasses. They're not really lost. They're just lv2 homebrew stuff that a lot of DM's avoid. There's dozens of subclasses from various Unearthed Arcana books. If they went this long without being published officially or revised, it's pretty safe to safe that WotC decided there was something wrong with them and decided not to move forward with the subclass. Archivist Artificer which was a like... psychic themed artificer. Controlling a creation you made with your mind that functioned sorta like a familiar that gave you skill proficiencies depending on what you created and a bunch of psychic attack themed stuff, telepathy, etc. Wild Soul Barbarian, a subclass that, like Wild Magic, also does Wild Surges, but different ones from Wild Magic Barbarian. It also can do things like help spellcasters recover spell slots. Attack enemies with a reaction when its forced to make a saving throw, and can reroll its wild surge effect as a bonus action while raging. Mage of Silverquill, a Strixhaven subclass that could be taken by Bard, Warlock, or Wizard. Goes all in on being like... a sort of mean girl-esque mage in a mage school. Silvery Barbs is a big feature of the subclass, you get the spell as a class feature ability, you can further insult enemies who fail their rolls because of Silvery Barbs to make them more vulnerable to a specific damage type. Brute Fighter, a basic no-brain subclass for fighter that is still a lot of fun. Adds extra damage to your weapon attacks that scales with your level. It adds a d6 roll to your saving throws and death saves (and makes rolling anything over a 20 with the extra d6 count as a 20 for the death save). Extra Fighting Style, Adds your level as damage to your crit damage. And at lv18 if they're below half health and still conscious, they regain 5+(Con Modifier) hit points every turn until they're above half health. There are tons of them out there. Just not necessarily the most balanced, so dont show up to a game to one without your DM's permission.
@kedraroth
@kedraroth 6 ай бұрын
I'm still waiting for my Lore Master Wizard subclass, Scribes took a lot of features from this subclasses but is not the Lore Master that I want to play, I want a wizard subclass master in spell penetration, modifying spells and expertise in knowledge skills The cooncept of this sublclass is awesome, I want to play a Lore Master since they appear for the first time many years ago
@Murglo6
@Murglo6 6 ай бұрын
Great video somewhere I have all of these good UA subclasses printed out in a dusty folder I lose and find to make a new character and lose again. This will save me from having to reread it constantly
@cosmicrem
@cosmicrem 6 ай бұрын
One of the PCs in an Icewind Dale campaign I'm running is a Phoenix Sorcerer who plans to multiclass into Undying Light Warlock down the line. The flavor combo of those two subclasses in particular is absolutely DOPE, plus it's absurdly viable from a mechanical standpoint.
@jedim793
@jedim793 6 ай бұрын
Phoenix Sorcerer and Undying Light Warlock sounds like an OP and amazingly fun multiclass
@josephpurdy8390
@josephpurdy8390 6 ай бұрын
I came up with an apparition sorcerer origin. Concentration while unconscious, spell casting while unconscious, out of body observations/spell touch, and possession of targets like magic jar without the jar.
@mt4798
@mt4798 6 ай бұрын
Suggestion for the Satire Bard's karma biting back. Just have a suit from a deck of cards (Ace to 10 for D10, add the Jack and a Joker for D12) and when the Bard uses the ability put the relevant card in front of them face down. There is a reminder that they cannot use the ability again and in the excitement of the game people might forget what the karma penalty is until the DM flips the card and uses it. Wouldn't work for online though.
@cloudeon3468
@cloudeon3468 6 ай бұрын
Seeing the planeshift documents get covered wiuld be cool too!
@jag519
@jag519 6 ай бұрын
I made a Professional Wrestler built on grappling someone, using tumble to climb a cage and powerbomb them from 30 feet up. It's definitely fun. haha (And the more effective version is spike growth to drag someone through barbed wire). These UA subclasses were all great, and it makes sense that any versions of them that came out were nerfed into other subclasses. haha. They were loads of fun, but definitely overtuned in some ways in those playtests.
@CommunistKangaroo
@CommunistKangaroo 6 ай бұрын
With treachery paladin, advantage is even better, because not only is the rougadin a popular and powerful multiclass, but treachery paladin + swashbuckler rogue is amazing flavorwise and power wise
@Lngbrdninjamasta
@Lngbrdninjamasta 6 ай бұрын
I once played a multiclass undying light warlock/Phoenix sorcerer it was so much fun. It took so much to keep him down lol
@banfio64
@banfio64 6 ай бұрын
1lv Undying Light Lock, 1lv Phoenix Sorc, 1lv Blood Cleric, 2lv Scribe Wizard, 5lv Artillerist Art, The Strixhaven background feat that gives you magic missile as a spell you can use all spell lists for, and the Awakened Draconic focus that lets you add a d6 to chromatic spells. Magic missiles go brrrr
@DmitriStormblood
@DmitriStormblood 6 ай бұрын
Theurgy Wizard. Tempest domain. Smile in chain lightning maximized ^-^
@donovanloreman
@donovanloreman 4 ай бұрын
This was my first thought too. So much potential.
@halosreaper1
@halosreaper1 6 ай бұрын
There was this universal subclass I remember reading about called "the Warmage" and the best way I can describe it is basically the guy from Orcs must dies skill set with summoning and fighting but the problem with them was they couldn't cast things like fireball, healing or even any kind of light spell. The only thing they could do was summon objects/fortifications (i.e barricades, spike pits, a freaking tower, a regular barrel etc. etc.) and living things (faceless knights, archers, barbarians etc. etc.) but they all had to be drawn in a magical notebook and each had to be understood by either making the object or travelling with them for a certain amount of time. And the other bad thing is that when they summon something it will stay until it's dismissed but while it exists your mana pool is lowered by a cost so you can make multiple of something that costs less but is less effective or you can make a few effective summons for more. The bad thing about that is if that summon dies your mana pool DOES NOT return to normal until you long rest. Not many people talk about this class because it shares a name with another class, if you lose the book you literally have to redraw everything and it's not a very effective class until you spec into it. It has a bit more detail (like for instance if you are a warrior class beforehand you can draw yourself into the book and you have a summon already without the research) but this comment is already very long and I don't want it to be longer.
@Evoker23-lx8mb
@Evoker23-lx8mb 4 ай бұрын
Treachery Paladin cross trickery cleric sounds like a dope combo.
@warrenwilliams6553
@warrenwilliams6553 6 ай бұрын
I really like your videos man, please keep them coming. They are very helpful to a newish player like me and attempting DM. Thank you.
@Amanoob105
@Amanoob105 6 ай бұрын
I'm happy you at least gave a mention to the Pyromancy subclass as while it's....not good, I do still have a soft spot for the idea behind it. And although it is massively situational, it does at least have one small thing going for it I just wanted to give mention to. At 18th level you can deal full fire damage to anything that is normally immune to fire. This subclass could burn the literal embodiment of fire itself. Rarely ever useful, but would always be funny.
@NightLexic
@NightLexic 6 ай бұрын
For a build using the Phoenix Sorc, Elemental Adept is mandatory to make sure everyone gets burned by your flames (cept those that are immune).
@wolfox7776
@wolfox7776 6 ай бұрын
Okay the Theurgy wizard sounds really dope.
@SanjayMerchant
@SanjayMerchant 6 ай бұрын
Honestly, I always liked how many of the Oath of Treachery's spells all support a kind of "eff this, I'm outta here" mood. Perfect for the someone who's abandoned their oath. The name, however, is profoundly stupid. It, not the DMG option, really deserves to be called Oathbreaker.
@demnix6210
@demnix6210 6 ай бұрын
I loved the stone sorcerer, it was flavoursome AF.
@Riptide866
@Riptide866 6 ай бұрын
I have actually always looked at these when I was making a character, we even have had a Pheonix sorc in a game
@spacemarine79
@spacemarine79 6 ай бұрын
when you mentioned Theurgy Wizard, you was basically describing Elminsters class from the Forgotten Realms area that has Myth Draynor in it
@Inhaledcorn
@Inhaledcorn 6 ай бұрын
That College of Satire Bard might be what I'm after for my Bardbarian! I was going to go with Swords, but he has a gangster background, so thievery proficiency might be what he would do.
@veris8570
@veris8570 6 ай бұрын
As one that has actually thrown an oath of treachery paladin against my party who at first masqueraded as an ally ( huge shout out to NPC compendium for the perfect stat block), Only to stab them in the back once they thought they had beat the final boss to initiate the real final boss fight, I can confirm they're great if you're an evil DM.
@Evan-oh9fy
@Evan-oh9fy 4 ай бұрын
Word of warning, if you play a phoenix soul sorcerer, take SOME non fire spells. I played a key to the golden vault campaign with my group. Had to deal with fire absorbtion.
@thefloridaman41
@thefloridaman41 6 ай бұрын
I’d love a pt2 to this, Ranger in particular has a couple badass unearthed Arcana subclasses we never got officially printed.
@wiwuno
@wiwuno 6 ай бұрын
Pheonix Soul is the Sorcerer subclass I have craved for So Long. The only thing that needs to be fixed is the frequency with which you can use your Mantle of Flame ability to make it more than a once per long rest thing and it would be perfect. (Id personally tie it to Proficiency bonus times per long rest)
@TechTheFeck
@TechTheFeck 6 ай бұрын
I could see some interesting ideas for that bard type. Imagine a character that has been playing a town for money, making himself seem like the fool and allowing the world to laugh, while secretly stealing pieces of information here and there. Eventually, an entire towns economy has fallen and their people have gone into madness, not realizing that a boy who trips and falls down the road has gained the last laugh
@ernestoportillo5136
@ernestoportillo5136 6 ай бұрын
I wanted to make a Satire Bard multiclass with a Paladin cuz I RNGed his name to be Fartor, so he was gonna be pure thunder damage and Satire had that part about passing gas, which was just perfect.
@TheLordofMetroids
@TheLordofMetroids 6 ай бұрын
There was one I remember that was like favored soul I want to say for a sorcerer that eventually was workshopped into Divine Soul, IIRC that was a really cool subclass. Firet level was domain spells from one cleric spell list, So a massive amount of extra spells for sorcerer. Also gain light and medium armor. 6th level was an extra attack. 14th level was at will wings that come out as a bonus action. 18th level was when you cast a spell from your chosen cleric spell list you regain chr mod+ spell level hit points. This sounds like a really weird subclass that could lead to all sorts of crazy shenanigans at high level play.
@equinoxsolstice4631
@equinoxsolstice4631 6 ай бұрын
I played a Theurgy Wizard who cast Cure Wounds through their Find Familiar which made for a great healing word bird who flew around the battlefield 🐦
@jamestaylor3805
@jamestaylor3805 6 ай бұрын
Theurgy Wizard is the best healer in the game by far. 2 level dip in Druid for Starry form and take Life Domain as the Theurgist. Spell mastery on Healing Word/Wither and Bloom. A single healing word(cast for free) cast on a tether essenced tank can heal for a total of over 70HP spread across 3 targets. Goodberries that heal a minimum of 4HP each(40 total HP from a level 1 spell). Wither and Bloom will damage everything around the tank while healing the tank. This again will trigger you being healed and the option to heal a 3rd target as well. Also potentially cast for free via Spell Mastery. All on a mark of healing halfling just because.
@steakknives
@steakknives 6 ай бұрын
This inspired me to make a goblin bard who was once the host of the Nilbog spirit.
@LemonKina
@LemonKina 6 ай бұрын
for the oath of treachery, at lvl 20 you can get advantage on your attack that deals 20+20+20 dmg, thats only if you dont count your str modifier and smites (20 dmg for the 2d10 when advantage + 20 because of the level + 20 because of the icon of deceit)
@RichiePootle
@RichiePootle 3 ай бұрын
1:36 Make the Paladin/Barbarian a Wildhunt Shifter so you can Reckless Attack without giving nearby enemies advantage when attacking you
@Sirfinchyyy
@Sirfinchyyy 6 ай бұрын
The trechery paladin reminds me of the blackguard from 3.5. I'm glad they were'nt lost in the new edition.
@unboundsoul3582
@unboundsoul3582 6 ай бұрын
Phoenix Sorcerer level 1 plus hexblade level 1 plus scribes wizard. Get Mantle of flame going and take cover. Next turn, Hexblades Curse, use magic missile with the scribes feature that lets you swap damage types. Deal 1d4+1+Charisma*2 damage per missile, no save. At 6th level youd have 3rd level slots, so 5 bolts. Assuming +4 Charisma, thats 50-70 damage to a single target. Just needs one round of setup!
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