DNF duel has a BIG problem

[@rishirajsinghdeora6221]

I still can't over the fact that this game is more expensive than Elden Ring and strive combined in India.

[@flowchartkenYT]

the regional pricing stuff is ass. No idea why this wasn't addressed at launch

[@squidee]

It also rarely goes on sale

[@vineetdahiya2726]

BRAW THAT LIKE SOMEBODYS MONTHYLY SALARY IN INDIA

[@lastvanderwerf9841]

I think the main problem is the devs don't know how to say no. "Want a character with an attack that covers the whole screen? Yes!"

[@flowchartkenYT]

Bug vs feature tbh

[@Golden12500]

This is the shit I love DBFZ for

[@miltonpitts4185]

Waiting till summer for a balance patch and your first character is crazy

[@flowchartkenYT]

yeah no defense there. shit communication and way too long between updates

[@bobrianfo104]

It's a very questionable fighting game, I still don't understand what or who they had in mind when they made it. From the weird IP they couldn't really capitalize off of to the full screen normals and safe reversals, the game was already DOA. Arcsys clearly put a lot of effort into it and it's a good looking game, but it's like they threw darts with their eyes closed at a board with random bad ideas when they made it.

[@flowchartkenYT]

I think most of what they put in make the game fun but I definitely agree they did not had a clear idea of what they wanted to do with this game. I generally think they made a good game. The problem is arcsys 100% knows you have to communicate and update and build on a release, they did this very well with strive. And they just... chose not to? Even if you agree with the idea that Neople is completely undercutting them is still just leads me to question who this was for. I don't think it was made as a cash grab because I think it makes no sense to see this game in terms of building revenue. DFO makes literal billions of dollars, this game is just a marketing arm for DFO. Why spend the time and money to build a marketing arm for DFO and then just let it die? Makes no sense to me.

[@burningphoneix]

@@flowchartkenYT Simple: It didn't sell as well as they were hoping so they cut it loose.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@burningphoneix I hope that isn't the case but it's possible. It had a lot of hype on release but tapered off so fast, I'm not sure what the sales numbers looked like.

[@bobrianfo104]

@@flowchartkenYT it's absurd that DFO makes billions in China and China only, and they thought it was a good idea to market DNF duel anywhere but China to an audience who's never heard of DFO nor would be interested in that kind of game. Like I can see DFO becoming successful in the 90's and early 2000's cause beat em ups were doing well back then, but in 2023 it's a steaming pile of garbage compared to most other games, it's doing well in China just because of the legacy it already built there.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@@bobrianfo104 I think DFO has some korean audience as well but I agree with your other points. The idea that someone would play DNF and then look at DFO and want to play it today is pretty out there to me. The game was made 20 years ago and visually looks the exact same. They'd have better luck making a maple story fighting game at this point

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

The 1st DLC character was announced at the beginning of December and isn't going to be released until after SF6 comes out... They high-key didn't give a damn about this game.

[@flowchartkenYT]

This is likely more about how neople does business than not having faith in the game but either way its laughable.

[@dhayris160]

And now imagine if you AREN’T okay with guaranteed guard break setups on top of this. Or looping vortex style oki that covers multiple options at once. The only thing I can say at that point is not to really play the game and I think a lot of prospective players may have noted these things and went back home to their other games.

[@flowchartkenYT]

It's not for everyone 🤷‍♂️ I think its fun despite these mechanics. Some players do not, and that's fine. I tried very hard to like samsho and just couldn't get into it. Different people like different things

[@dhayris160]

I agree. The game is highly polarizing. It feels like the devs added options they thought was cool at the time but never considered how the other player interacts with it until after the fact (BEHEAD). But yeah, it’s not for everyone.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@@dhayris160 I do think there were some unintended interactions. For instance - when they tried to tone down hitman they made it so that certain characters could roll punish his awkening DP into shattering strike. It was enough of a gap to universally roll and throw and some characters could get more with a fast enough normal. ....except not really because conversion exists, so anytime he has white life you will get blown up for rolling.

[@ggmasterguiltygear6315]

My BIGGEST problem with the game;being a filthy casual is having the only super being locked behind needing to be at low health to use. Imean what fighting game only has 1 super?! Am I crazy? Ahhhh!!!!!

[@flowchartkenYT]

MP skills function in the place of EX moves but in general I don't like comeback mechanic supers either. Thats why I play berserker so I can combo into it lol

[@ggmasterguiltygear6315]

@@flowchartkenYT 😆berserker privileges

[@liv3vil-Kei]

Tekken 7 does

[@MARK-r6c3k]

Ya and the computer Blocks it just about every time.

[@tomatazoo]

Got the game for free on epic, got into a match against a striker, got comboed twice and lost both rounds, unable to move, i closed the game

[@PartTimeLyricist]

nahhh literally happened to me. I thought it was FIRE. Then boom, I got hit once and comboed to 15% health.

[@JohnPaul-nb5iu]

There are strong defensive options in the game, play the tutorial. Its easy to get out of block strings, they all have gaps you can reversal "Guard cancel" "indomitable spirit" Its crazy people bitch without even making a real effort to learn how to play.

[@PartTimeLyricist]

@@JohnPaul-nb5iu The learning is steep. There are Some strong counters. Dont be a bitch

[@tomatazoo]

@@JohnPaul-nb5iu i was fresh out of the tutorial, did all of it, the striker player even timed me out, like, spacing his attacks so i couldnt block it Also im not bitching, im very conscious of the skill issue on my part lmao, just found it funny

[@madmaxiemartialartsnerd485]

I feel playing dnf duel and expecting competitive balanced is like going back home to your abusive father and being surprised when he smacked you on the head and kicks you out. DNF fans get offended whenever i say this, but DNF is simply a party game that was designed to be a living meme of the "TOD, Infinite combo" stereotype that none fighting game players make fun of fighting games for. To me the entire point of the game is a battle of who fucks up first and whoever fucks up first is punished with a infinite combo of pain, and if they some how to survive it they get a chance to do the same to their opponent. I don't even view it as a fighting game, i view it as a combo finger exercise game. Don't play it like its a two player game, cause its not.

[@flowchartkenYT]

This is just not true and mostly just makes me assume you aren't very good at the game. If aomeome beats you 99 times out of 100 it's not a party game. There are some issues with balancing but there issues with balancing in every fighting games. All things considered I think it is in an okay spot despite my hatred of safe DPs. People use the same criticisms for DNF Duel that can apply vaguely to most games. If you don't like the game that's perfectly fine. But if you lost over and over to swift master throwing up your hands and saying "nothing I can do" doesn't make it a party game.

[@BETTERTHANYOULOLZ]

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[@d3flash453]

@@flowchartkenYT truth be told the better player is going to win at the end of the day

[@flowchartkenYT]

@@d3flash453 absolutely. There's a reason the same people win tournaments over and over

[@666slateran666]

In a oldschool dfo player who is American. I've completed in strive tournaments, and this game just isn't it. It's a kusoge by definition

[@robinthrush9672]

Max HP combos start off cool, but they become really boring to watch after 1/3 of the health is gone. Couldn't even imagine the frustration of being on the receiving end of something you can't do anything about because a skilled player got in one hit that it knows how to make all the hits.

[@flowchartkenYT]

It's situatuonal. No one is dying off the first hit. There are times when one hit kills but its more complicated than everything being a TOD DNF combos are looooooong though so if you aren't into that you probably aren't going to like the game

[@robinthrush9672]

@@flowchartkenYT The one hit is the one that starts the combo the person can't escape from.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@@robinthrush9672 I mean thats literally every game without a burst mechanic though

[@bohdanherasymenko7569]

I'm always the one being beaten and you're just watching a movie of you dying. Online is nearly always very hardcore and even casual matches aren't very casual, people tryhard a lot. So I try to stick to single player for the most part

[@JinNJoos]

Striker too. This might be a technicality, but I would still count it: Striker can cancel her DP into Tornado Kick on hit or block, making it safe.

[@flowchartkenYT]

Striker is slightly less annoying IMO because her dp combo is scaled and has much less range so her just sitting in crouch and waiting to DP is much less viable compared to TS/SM/HM

[@WincProductions]

You can roll the gap & punish

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

gee, maybe there's a reason some rules exist in 1v1 fighters and breaking them all is fun for 5 minutes before the game crashes and burns.

[@flowchartkenYT]

its a fine line between broken game and fun kusoge. I don't really understand that idea that breaking rules = bad game, UMVC3 and MVC2 broke quite a few rules as well I personally dislike this mechanic but still love DNF

[@finallyanime]

The loops were so annoying. Just waiting so long. Dnf team fucked up so hard on the awakening system. New awakening patch seems weird to me not feeling it.

[@flowchartkenYT]

ill have to try it out, its hard for me to visualize what a 50% awakening will look like and I know they want to remove some loops so idk what that will be

[@El_DobeS3nsual]

so I'm just dumb and dumber because a got a copy AND picked grappler a main... is like playing nemesis in UMVC3 all over again, i suffer but also is fun from time to time...

[@matthewburke2520]

Been awhile since I played this game, didn't realize Swiftmaster could do that

[@flowchartkenYT]

since December patch he can yeah, big sad

[@PSNMirru]

Blame the people who wanted dumb shit like this in fighting game. The “yeah make it all broken and busted, screw balance WE WANT KUSOGE” people in the FGC. The game dead, watching infinites and now that stuff is JUST NOT FUN. You shed light on something I never thought would be possible in a fighting game-ever. Also I gotta hand it to you, you have an extremely high tolerance for bs man. THAT alone is worthy of praise lol

[@flowchartkenYT]

Gotta find the fun in the dumb

[@mr.dilanger]

A Swiftmaster named Xarkurinha32 rage quits when you beat that strategy. So annoying.

[@flowchartkenYT]

Lol I'm well aware of xak I made a video on him as well

[@mr.dilanger]

@@flowchartkenYT omg I should have known that was him. I talked to him on Steam before, seemed real nice, but I noticed he would stop playing whatever when I start playing DNF:D When I beat him in a single match, *disconnects* writes to me “omg lag”. When he wins the laggy game wasn’t a issue. Now that I write it, this just sounds sad for this guy.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@@mr.dilanger yeah I am still curious about him but he won't answer my steam messages lol. I don't think its that deep, he knows what hes doing and just doesnt care. Still a funny guy to me but also a problem since there is no blacklist

[@ishikami3631]

0:41 avarage street poking IV/V/6 gameplay

[@By_the_gods]

That obscene closeup of Ranger just laying down an atrocious amount of guard and chip damage...🤌

[@kingroosta]

He needs it! Lol

[@st2642]

☠

[@zetasansan]

dream not found duel

[@flowchartkenYT]

💀

[@nightwolf9375]

To me, the game just looks like a generic 2.5D anime fighter with really basic gameplay. GranBlue was the same for me honestly but the aesthetic has me scratching that SoCal itch,and I love that each character has their own unique attributes and abilities like BlazBlue. I’d probably be more interested if I actually played DFO but GranBlue has all attention currently.

[@sahabatgamerID]

Wow, You make me want to play this game. Still worth it for now or just go SF6?

[@flowchartkenYT]

I wish I could say yes but honestly if its not on sale I wouldn't. I love the game and play it all the time but you are going to have such a hard time finding games against similar skill level. I would wait for a sale of when spectre drops

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

Buy SF6.

[@SSSasen]

Amidst all the hate for the game, I actually enjoy it quite a bit People come to the game, flowchart in neutral/offense/defense and get blown up for it. They cry about damage and then go back to strive to make it their life goal to find a TOD combo on chipp lol ---- there are people who make legit complaints, but too many players will do these 2 things in the same breath lol

[@flowchartkenYT]

yeah at the end of the day you can either complain about something you dont like in a game you enjoy, or find a solution to it. If the solution is play perfectly it is what it is. I like the game and I want to win, im not here to complain

[@WildeMarshall]

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[@DavidRFr]

Lo compre porque se parecía mucho a gg revelator 2 y ese si lo disfruté mucho ,y me encuentro con un kusoge inbalanceado y innecesariamente roto , en vez de preocuparsw por un pase de temporada mejor pónganse a arreglar su porquería 😂

[@flowchartkenYT]

it do be like that

[@zt3823]

Does d n f online suck for anyone else because I find myself constantly getting dropped and I have six g through at&t P.S. there's never anyone on the ranking matches, it feels like a forty minute wait for each rank match P.P.S. My brother and his friends moved on to other games because they got tired of the drops.

[@flowchartkenYT]

It can be a long wait, there is no way around that. I love DNF and at the top ranks at peak times I don't have problems finding matches but if you are anything lower you probably need to use discord to find matches until spectre releases. I have had little to not issue with the online. If you are using wifi no matter how good the connection is there will always be drops, but overall I think DNF has some of the best netcode of any fighting game. Matches from east coast to europe being playable is still wild to me.

[@zt3823]

@@flowchartkenYT I love d n f but i've been kicked from it more than any other game online, I don't know if it's because AT&T has crappy game servers But it's an issue for the people I played with, That's why most my friends quit because after 20 minutes Everyone would start getting kicked out of the rooms Thanks for the info for real yeah. I'm noticing usually 10pm on friday and saturday is a good time to rank, I'm at Diamond Three. Once I started getting better than my brother and his friends they all quit lol. Now I'm just having a hard time finding people to fight with online cause. It's either a long wait for rank or walk into random rooms ha

[@ender5528]

Its high art they dont give a F...dont cry about anything cause they gonna troll boost exactly what dont want. They think oh you big D tough guy, you want adapt overcome OK you reach zen or die. I'm on Switch version so logic and tears mean nothing to me nothing. Waiting for the DLC character to have air block / air dash / short hops...LULZ U say you wanted these things soooooooo JOB DONE YOU WELCOME. U get good go to evo and get laid, oh what why you cry more? We have card table in parking lot for you, we run generator for smoothest power...we cut down on overhead so bigger prize pool.....only $5,000 buy in...........it good deal, only for true master with high IQ.

[@flowchartkenYT]

This is certainly one of the comments of all time

[@ksf3455]

So wait overall you are mad that a other cheat code characters are more cheat code than your cheat code character at awakening....this is a joke right?

[@flowchartkenYT]

I think I stated my issue pretty clearly 😎

[@kwillzmz]

Kusoge

[@basu2428]

Can you guys stop mentioning the fucking blue shell? I already got enough ptsd from the mario bros movie

[@flowchartkenYT]

🔵🐢

[@senatheEND]

I respect you opinions but your wrong about ranger and striker, striker i was ok with a bit cause you can roll air kicks but the hitman thing is a joke, sure it WAS strong but hitman has to get within 1 touched to even begin playing the same game as others, and then on top of that that was obly before the 7 frame nerf that makes it so anyone can mash after his dp and counter hit his follow up. People are so averse to changing play styles they wont stop mashing on hitmans wake up. Again as a deity hitman player it really annoys me when people talk him up as some unbeatable monster.

[@flowchartkenYT]

I don't talk hitman up as some unbeatable monster, nor did I do that in this video. All I did was mention that he was previously the only character to have a safe combo DP on awakening. The video is about my issue with a mechanic that he and multiple other characters now share. Troubleshooter is the primary offender in my opinion because he is the only one that can put himself into awakening. Hitman's damage is low without awakening, this is true. Its not terrible, but its bad compared to the top tier characters. *Mashing after his DP is just completely untrue. VERY few characters can safely mash to beat the first half of his DP, I believe only ghostblade and striker have fast and far reaching enough 2a to interrupt. Maybe Inq as well. What most people got was that they can roll the gap now, which doesn't work if he has white life because he can conversion on reaction and punish. *I was wrong about this It seems like you think hitman is bad now, and I can assure you he is not. He is not top tier, but he is absolutely tournament viable. The grand finals of a tournament literally last night was a hitman mirror.

[@senatheEND]

@@flowchartkenYTyou are wrong you can mash after his dp while hes in awakening i suggest you go to training mode and find your characters button to punish.

[@flowchartkenYT]

​@@senatheEND you know what man im gunna give this one to you. I went back and tested it again in practice and way more characters can mash than I thought. You have to be REALLY close but it is not ridiculous to bait from this range in an actual match. I was wrong. I still stand by my other points and think hitman is not a bad character, but this is not as tight timing as I thought.

[@senatheEND]

@@flowchartkenYT it's all good been playing hitman since release, but the memes started and now people have misconception that he is really op so much that they nerfed him. Sorry for rant blowing off some steam @.@ its hard when your character is constantly targeted or people don't take you seriously cause they think you character carried.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@senatheEND nah no worries appreciate the tech. I know how you feel about the carried stuff, shit gets real annoying real fast berserker also getting it bad now.

[@GodsJoseph13]

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[@flowchartkenYT]

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[@BigDaddy-mr1pu]

mfs complaining obviously never seen morrigan in umvc3 there are plenty of characters who have an install that turns a match into a waiting game across a myriad of fighting games tbh I feel like this is more an issue of a newer generation that's less familiar with fighting games and their character archetypes than anything tbh

[@flowchartkenYT]

I don't think the takeaway here is cheap shit in other games means i shouldn't dislike a cheap mechanic lol. At the end of the day its just about what you can tolerate personally in a game. I've been playing fighting games for 20 years. I promise its not a familiarity issue.

[@666slateran666]

Its fine if you have bad tastes in fighting games. This is still a Kusgoe

[@flowchartkenYT]

different people like different things 🤷‍♂️

[@666slateran666]

@@flowchartkenYT well by the steam charts, it seems like the people who don't like it far outweigh the ones who do. Again coming from a OG dfo head, this game is the most disappointing thing arcsys has put their name to. I wish they would just drop support because everybody else has already forgotten about it.

[@flowchartkenYT]

@@666slateran666 If the spectre release doesnt go well I think its over for DNF. I wouldnt even be that surprised if they cancel the DLC roadmap if spectre doesnt bring players back. Players leaving has more to do with the lack of updates and communication imo but there were also people who just didnt like the balancing of the game. Releasing SM comically broken and then not adressing it for 3 months, only to tease a tiny patch note as a major update makes no sense. Since becoming familiar with Nexon/Neople I am hearing more and more about how this kind of terrible communication is the norm for them but I think it did way more to kill DNF than the game simply not being good.

[@666slateran666]

@@flowchartkenYT Wrong, people left because of mechanics. It's why that's the main criticism of the game. I personally never expected any updates. I never even expected a dfo fighting game but here we are. It's not even that true to the OG game in terms of how you play it. The pvp in that is more balanced. When I went to a giant anime fighting tournament the dnf booth was the smallest of the bunch by a landslide and it was only a month or so after release. Even pros dropped it immediately. And in general the controls are geared for normies, which they couldn't get into it because of combo lab monsters. Spectra isn't going to save this trash fire my guy sorry. Take the L and come play strive like the rest of us.

[@666slateran666]

@@flowchartkenYT Nexon has always been a awful company. Neople acquiring them made dfo actively worse and more like a mobile game. It's totally a different game to what it was 10 years ago with as much gacha as genshin. I got hacked back in the day and stopped playing. Recently came back and it wasn't fun. I was hoping dnf duel would fill that void and I'll be honest the launch was fun. But i quickly realized that it's just another 2 TOD game and was dead in the water.

[@Martorfunk]

I personally believe slavery is not an issue or problem but hey, you do you champ

[@flowchartkenYT]

I think you may be outvoted on that one

[@longschlongjohnson6470]

what kinda retard take is this

[@Skellotronix]

Dungeon Fighter and 1v1 fighting hardly mix. Swift Master, a Striker and Troubleshooter are in this game? Fucking run for the hills if Monk, Grappler, Brawler, Battle Mage or any other Slayer or Thief (would absolutely break the game) get added. DFO is broken from the start with character classes made to directly make fun of that. No way DnF Duel would ever have been a fair or balanced game

[@flowchartkenYT]

funny you should say that, Spectre (f slayer) is already confirmed coming soon™, Brawler and battle mage and VERY likely DLC coming and grappler and berserker (slayer) are already in the game. I'm not sure it has to be perfectly fair and balanced, its just certain mechanics make the game very robbery prone.