Do All Soils Have Everything Plants Need? DEEP DIVE Exploration with Matt Powers | REGENERATIVE SOIL

[@oscarrmelchor]

Matt I love you man! As someone who loves biology and learning. Gardening for me is therapeutic. It’s helped me through my depression. Colleges and schools have failed to apply the knowledge in a practical application. I have learned so much from you and the soil we love on. For some reason we would rather live in a virtual realty. Thank you for your amazing work.

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Thank you for being here Oscar!! :) :) :) I really appreciate it!!

[@yoavkrayn4302]

Matt Powers - FACT CHECKER Extraordinaire. This is so important...You did an important service to the community. Thank you - all the power to You! I wish you many years of continued regeneration.

[@mustafacekirge8818]

That is why we also need to add sea salt or sea water to our soils!

[@davidcrimmins13]

Ok, so I watched your presentation again as it is one of my favorite topics! The, evolving, composting world as it stands seems to not give nearly enough credit where an innoculated soil is capable, willing and able to sythesize/ compost nutrients on its own. As you stated, in "defecient" soils the addition of compost adds the missing nutrients. Well, with that said Dr. Engham premiss is completely correct, that all necessary nutrients can and will be present in all soils with the proper biology and organic matter, because the living soil itself is capable of producing them one way or another, but maybe over time. Compost after all is nothing more than organic matter in the first place..

[@davidcrimmins13]

My take is to get the compost in the soil as soon as it is available as opposed to going the full year. Time value is very important, plus fungi should begin developing in the soil profile itself all on its own. Now, saving some of a finished pile to put in a small batch bioreactor would be a sufficient amount for an average property used in tea or extract form.. And thank you for the opportunity to be involved in this fantastic discussion!

[@robabob420]

I agree! Nutrients can be washed away as well!

[@jeanetteinthisorn4955]

❤ Thank you! Can't wait for the next one!

[@johng-d]

Excellent analysis, Matt!

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Thank you John! I really appreciate you taking the time to hear the full thought.

[@michaelmitchell8567]

DUDE! Light bulb moments going on here! Keep up the great work! You are a legend!

[@mackquack2929]

I like the way you approach and analyze soils and growing plants. I have a constant supply of mealworm frass from growing them for my fish and ducks, etc. I think you said that frass helps with fungal growth. Any suggestions on where and how it might be used?

[@libraryofpangea7018]

Thank you Matt, I actually originally found you through Elaine's work. But.. I'll admit, I have always had an issue with that statement of hers. I've spoken with alot of people in her soil food web program struggling because they only look at the soil microbiology. I really appreciate you doing the leg work here & I hope it's considered by those attempting to applied soil ecology especially on what can be a very dry subject for most. I think this really drives even further the importance of site context when it comes to permacultural design. Site context for the microverse.

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Thank you for your wonderfully thoughtful and reflective comment. I too think it's a newly articulated layer to consider in a way for permaculture thinking and design.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

@@ThePermacultureStudent You're a great teacher Matt, keep up the good work. Would it be alright if I made a made a request for someone for you to interveiw on the podcast?

[@southernvtgrown]

Great info Matt, I love being able to catch your videos. Heard you mention NH, I'm originally from west central NH area. Keep doing what your doing friend. Much love from Vermont 🇺🇸💚

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

I grew up skiing at Killington starting age 2, and then racing starting at age 6, and then attended Killington Mountain School 7th-9th grade.

[@johnroydelacruz1433]

You can save the future generation keep up

[@alexandermonzon8165]

My new Homie putting me up on game now with Science who knew I will.pay attention to this fascinating world of soil science keep the knowledge coming brotha for us...

[@vasaoz]

Love it. Keep up the good work bro.

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Thanks for the feedback - Thank you for being here!!

[@smileysgarden]

Thank you Matt 🙌

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Great to see you! I know you'll appreciate the deep dive!!

[@MonadicMind]

Thank you so much. Do you do consulting or permaculture landscaping? I have a 62 acre property that I am planning on turning into a food forest with medicinal but currently it's very sandy. I've been growing in native plants, some weeds etc for the last 2 years. I'm just worried because there is clay not far down so I need some consulting .

[@tb5687]

It's "all soils have the potential to have all the nutrients plants need". In some cases we have to create that environment.

[@indica_dogo868]

In New Mexico we have alkaline soil... So I need some acid rain to lower my soil ph! 😆

[@troysantos]

Did I miss a conclusion? I'd conclude that you're saying that ALL the minerals are in ALMOST all soils on earth, and that the main things missing are the micro and macro bugs. I’m pretty sure Elaine also said that all of the minerals are not just present, but in huge abundance. I don’t remember where I saw that. Of course, if she did say this, she may have changed her thinking since then. Matt, your comment at the end about not putting in everything in a year and see a big change. Well, isn't that pretty much what you did with the compost pile at your previous home, really close to the house? Compost, compost teas, EM, and I guess other things. Maybe you didn't add ALL the things you recommend for making great soil. Like everyone else, I super super appreciate your work :)

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

All the plant essential nutrients are present but not in adequate amounts OR in antagonism or in the mineral matrix (blocked or insoluble), so we really need the microbes to unlock or unblock what's there, but we also need to make sure we fix any deficiencies. I added a ton of compost and compost tea, but no rock dust and it was all local plants, so bioregional deficiencies wouldn't have been compensated for. While my soil did improve greatly, it didn't grow everything perfectly. The most recent book took me into studies that opened those doors to my understanding. I hope you check out the new book.

[@ZE308AC]

So how can I start repolpoluating b12 In l9t soil? Can I inoculated my soil with syntethic b12?

[@5ivearrows]

This is a fantastic video- I have been incredibly curious about this subject, and honestly deeply skeptical of Elaine Ingham's claim. I wasn't able to justify purchasing that book, but it's been on my mind. I do want to say a couple of things regarding your analysis- I believe that a necessity of including fish emulsion, kelp, molasses etc in compost tea to correct what deficiencies exist basically invalidates the claim that all things are present in all soils. As far as compost solving deficiencies- I feel like that may be an incomplete statement. If you are composting the plants within your own system and cycling nutrients that way, it is still possible to have ongoing deficiencies that prevent plants from reaching their ultimate genetic potential. Plants don't just die or not exist because there are deficiencies, they just compromise and make do with what they have, in a less than ideal situation. No amount of composting in a closed system will make minerals or nutrients appear out of thin air, and that deficiency will just keep cycling. If you are pulling compost from elsewhere outside the loop, that would also necessarily invalidate the claim that all soils have all things plants require. John Kempf talks about this- AEA pulls geological mining assays for every farm they work with. I wonder if he would be willing to share what they have learned from that practice. In any case- wonderful video. Thanks for this!

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

I hope you watch the full video to see how your comment gets fully answered in the video. I work with John and advocate a combination of minerals, organic matter, and specific biology - AEA has me reviewing their courses for them. This was about the claims and potentials of those statements and perspectives - it's important to parse that out: this video follows 2 weeks of studies on just the individual minerals plants require for their health. As I say in the video, saying all soils have everything is true but things can be deficient still as plants each require different minerals at different rates and forms throughout their lifecycle. It's important to delve into the language more. My book features much of John's work along with all the connections between Elaine's, Olivier's, etc.

[@livingEcaveman]

Hi Matt. You're a personable person

[@johnmilligan4260]

Love your intellectual curiosity Matt! But when did you metamorphose into David Grohl?!?

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

HA! It's my roots showing ;) just look me up on iTunes and you'll see

[@davidcrimmins13]

I believe it important to consider that in a functioning ecosystem it's quite possible that "outside" influences could provide the deficient nutrients over time. Insects, birds etc etc..

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Those can have a small influence for sure but not a large one UNLESS you've set up a nutrient catchment situation like a duck pond is a great catchment of outside nutrients and then you spend the energy digging out that and distributing it. We could do that.

[@aadamstory]

I'm not used to your laugh yet 😂

[@lgflanang]

Just one question. What makes weeds thrive in the "worst soil condition" ever?

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Because they thrive on the oxidized minerals in those soils and the microbes help them do it within and without. Some plants are evolved to release hydroxide NOT protons - weeds are reparative mechanisms for the most part that bow out as the pH and Eh shift.

[@zacharieroy2106]

I love your t-shirt! Where can i get one like this?

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

The Carbon shirt is from my friend Michael Wittman - I don't know where he got it.

[@666bruv]

Try the music group, 'Carbon based lifeforms', they may have something similar

[@jeremyschissler337]

❤❤❤

[@weirdacreshomestead3489]

I wonder if our farming practices have placed certain microbes on the endangered list or are now extinct and if that could be the reason for deficiencies in nutrients.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

Niche partitioning opens up after species go extinct, with microbes this expansion is much more rapid than macroscopic fauna such as ourselves- as they replicate at much shorter intervals. Typically you can find a large variety of microbes fulfilling the same niche rolls within micro ecosystems. The more diverse & well supported those systems are the more secure that there won't be a trophic cascade, but what microbes you find will always be corralated to the relative conditions of soils that are even just feet apart. To us its not alot of space, to a microbe it's potentially infinit. I have some lectures on microbial biofilms that touches on this a bit that you can draw infrences from if you are interested. I would also highly suggest reading up on the Great Oxygenation Event. It may give you a good basis to formulate a model so you can expand on your questioning. The subject of microbial extinction is a very complicated one, and you have to start with deep time scales.

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

sobering thought James

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

very wise @ScionOfGaia

[@livingEcaveman]

I've wondered to, I think there would not be many/much extinction in such a multitudinous easily thriving lifeform as microbes and such, unless it was a whole really big area that was either poisoned by pollution, sterilized by dry conditions or such as that. But every scientific fact began with a theory so hey. Not bad. Mostly apex species going extinct n all.

[@libraryofpangea7018]

@@livingEcaveman I think it is easier to study extinction at higher trophic levels,- as the absence of macroscopic scaled lifeforms are more openly aparent to us. Since we sit at those higher trophic levels our selves & this gives us more visual information on the causal relationships for extinction. While were still struggling to describe & map microscopic bioms. That's why I reccomend starting with a deep time perspective on microbes. To help provide context for modern analogs & how they might be effected by extinction events. Studying extinction in modern microbial biom analogs is like trying to catch flys with chop sticks. While studying them in deep time gives you a framework to see how they have over come various challenges. I think this helps give a better glimps at their niche partitioning & adaptability. Especially given their rapid reproduction rates compared to larger organisms.

[@2100suprafreak]

Dr.Christin Jones has come out in a discussion that when lactobacillus go into quorum sensing they start producing b12.

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

There is a specific species of lactobacillus that can do this, but it's nothing to do with quorum sensing in situ - many microbes can generate B12. We microbially generate B12 for vegans already: Bacteria produces it - just like penicillin is from black mold, aspergillis niger. Learn more about that specific bacillus species here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4180280/

[@2100suprafreak]

@@ThePermacultureStudent thanks for the info, I will have to go back and find to relisten to what Christin was saying. What I was getting at was over what Dan Kittredge said at the beginning of the video about the lack of b12 is soil health, so if microbes can produce b12 then wouldn't the problem be a lack of diversity in the microbial populations of that soil not producing the necessary nutrients?

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

@@2100suprafreak They cannot do it without Cobalt being present - that was his point.

[@cnote5693]

Bacteria makes B12??

[@johnroydelacruz1433]

I like ur t shirt

[@johnroydelacruz1433]

I wish youre my brother

[@johnninielsen7840]

we face great upheavals in what we think is right and facts because we have let the merchants of industry write our textbooks and combined with human arrogance: of course we are knowledgeable and science can not go wrong. Therefore, we are in a dead end with chemicals that have to patch up an incomplete system that did not power the task to our needs, and even worse it degrades our soil. Organic farming, especially those that still plow, is an incomplete concept that has significantly lower yields compared to conventional farming. Due to these lower yields, organic farming is considered a failed hippie child, therefore conventional farming will not let go of their synthetic chemistry or just screw down the use of these a bit. Your work, dr. elaine ingham and like-minded people seem to be a very crucial part of our future. But we need more convinced people for this particular future, the most willing customers are if we direct the teaching to the target group of people who are already engaged in full or partial organic farming but have room for improvement in yield. When, as a whole, we show a convincing yield for the method without synthetic chemistry, it will be easier to switch more conventional farmers. It will benefit the transition to "proper" ecology if we distance ourselves from people who are not fully committed and honest in methods, we must choose our words carefully so that we do not appear as if we have a patent on the truth and everyone else is infidels, if this happens no one will believe us and everything will be ten times more difficult, just kindly lead the way on the concept shortcomings in applied system understanding I also think we need to hire independent scientists whose morals and intentions can not be challenged, to measure and technically describe the tools used, otherwise professional farmers will not risk their livelihoods.

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts. I'm working on launching this new course and then shifting to being more hands-on and hopefully even more effective at manifesting change - STAY TUNED!! :) :) :)

[@indica_dogo868]

I'm so confused... Lol Now add Glen Rabenbergs thoughts to the two of these guys! Lol

[@ThePermacultureStudent]

hehe right? that's why it's critical to wade ALL the way in. I saw a Facebook comment that it was "too long"... oh man, if 20 min is too long to clarify something like this, the more important things in life will certainly keep them running....

[@indica_dogo868]

@@ThePermacultureStudent ABSOLUTELY! Sadly people have been conditioned to have short attention spans these days. I personally don't get excited about a video if its not at least 15-30 min long. An hour or two so I can listen at work is even better!

[@BongLoy13]

@@ThePermacultureStudent 20 minutes too long... I suggest they remain on Tik Tok then hehe

[@indica_dogo868]

So deficient meens insufficient? Lol