Do All SUPPORT Players Think The Same? | OverThink

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[@ChristalRaine]

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[@ssebasgoo]

I really like the bronze player. She seems so chill, this is the kind of team mate I want.

[@vivt.9619]

bronze support players always seem very nice and chill, bronze dps on the other hand.. LMAO

[@FUNGUSMAN920]

@@vivt.9619as someone as a silver/bronze dps, moving to a bronze zen, I do feel a lot less rage filled, and more calm after picking up zen.

[@kayleehernandez3724]

Mercy mains can be pretty whiny, but i think genji mains can outwhine a mercy player any day of the week. There's a reason the 'I need healing' meme exists.

[@migueljuarez6788]

Nerf Genji is a meme too because Genji keeps getting nerfed for no reason, even when characters like Sojourn are stronger. Mercy got 1 change and people went crazy

[@Koriiii]

I think Ana players are now the most whiny. But I think it mainly comes from Ana players not knowing how valuable their kit is and blaming a loss when it is completely their fault. SO many games I have lost because an Ana player can't sleep someone or can't even Nano the right target. She's also the most played hero in the game now as of OW2.

[@migueljuarez6788]

@@Koriiii Ana mains went crazy when she got deservedly nerfed. She's still the most picked and best support after the nerfs too

[@shanonfrancis5071]

You struck a gold mine with this series. I'm surprised ppl haven't stolen it yet.

[@ChristalRaine]

Many people have tried and/or asked me if they can and it’s filled me with so much anxiety everytime 😭 like pLS LET ME HAVE THIS ONE THING 😭😭😭

[@NATIVE1179]

​@@ChristalRaine this is just Jubilees spectrum series in an overwatch format, I don't see why it fills you with anxiety that others want to replicate that, you replicated theirs in a very nice and enjoyable overwatch template, big ups to you

[@Siigrit]

@@ChristalRaine maybe u could do collabs w them

[@-Jesse.C]

​@@NATIVE1179 right lol not an original idea but a decent adaptation.

[@aussiestalin8123]

you cant steal a format lol. If more people wanna do this then good, the more opinions shared, the better

[@pooprat6397]

Honestly, as a top 500 support player, mercy is a lot easier than people make her out to be. She has a couple of mechanical things to learn, but nothing too difficult. Plus, she has her res, sooooo

[@strvmpet]

ehh i dont think she's really hard but i do think she's not easy

[@KT-lj3hl]

I think she’s one of the easier heroes in the game but I disagree that she’s a “no-skill hero” that people often call her

[@NullitasOfOne]

It's like they said. Shes not hard at all to learn and play especially with the GA being reworked for ow2, but shes not the EASIEST support. That crown will always be moira.

[@pooprat6397]

@@NullitasOfOne that’s fair. The only reason that I think Moira is harder is because she has a lot more options and potential to impact fights in ways that take more mechanical skill than Mercy. But that’s just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@pooprat6397]

@@KT-lj3hl i personally don’t think that there are any “no-skill” heroes in the game, because that would imply that the worst person with that character could, and should, perform the same as the best person with that character. But if I absolutely had to say that any character takes no skill, I’d have to say Bastion. Sojourn’s up there, too, but she at least needs to aim.

[@mcpartydogj7025]

Tbh I’m fine being a plat player also I love how all the support say Moira is the easiest which they’re not wrong lol

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

they are, she's the 2nd easiest. mercy is the easiest to play. easiest to play doesn't necessarily mean easiest to clime with. like with mercy ur dps play the game for u so she's the easiest. mercy mains complain about their dps sucking which makes the character hard... but they dont realize that theirs other characters to play besides mercy cause they are so used to having the game played for them lmfao. mercy is one of the worst heroes someone could main right next to zen and brig cause she's supposed to be situational and when mercy players get a comp that doesn't fit them it makes them think "yeah mercy is hard to play" no ur making it hard to play for the rest of ur team

[@sneko2860]

​@@iSuckAtGamesGG what's wrong with zen? Great pick and respectable too unlike a moira.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

@@sneko2860 zen is good but not versatile. like zen is good at killing the tank and thats about it, even his ult is more counterable than lucio's beat. to be fair zen is the best one to main out of the non versatile supports cause his disc orb is broken, a better example would've been moira or brig

[@sneko2860]

@@iSuckAtGamesGG zen is plenty versatile if you are good enough though. His orb isn't just for tanks either it makes dives or hitscan dps much more effective and his ult, while more counterable than beat, is still really good. It counters many ults even combos of ults. Think about ults like blizzard, visor, blossom, grav, molten core, etc.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

@@sneko2860 yeah but compared to ana, bap, kiriko, and lucio he doesn't really compare. like the scenerio was thinking of when u wouldn't want a zen 1 trick is when ur running a lucio rein comp, which is why i said zen. zenyatta is a bit more flexible than ur average dps which makes sense cause he's basically a dps that heals lol. i treat zen like hanzo, if i see one im not peeking that corner.. atleast thats what i try to. sometimes the intrusive thoughts win. i cant help myself 😭. atleast with widow in more careful... sometimes... ok i know landing a sleep on a widow 70m away is pointless and dangerous but i have to do it. dont ask how im masters lol. i sometimes have the brain of a bronze player, the amount of times i've died due to accidentally falling off the high ground or backing up into a wall is embarrassing lol

[@stumbling_]

Moira is the easiest support. Her kit is simple, she can easily escape danger, she can heal herself. She also has phenomenal healing and damage potential. However, just like some people said about Mercy… there are a lot of bad Moiras. This is mainly due to them misusing her abilities or going mostly offensive.

[@forcebrand4678]

Literally NOTHING about Mercy takes skill. Not a single part of her kit. No aim, no brain. She's also very much a simple hero. Moira is *almost* up there, but at least her ult needs some semblance of skill, even if just mechanics. They're almost the same as far as being piss easy goes, but I think the Coalescence just makes Moira edge Mercy out in the skill requirement, very slightly.

[@rosa-gw1xm]

@@forcebrand4678 their decision to get rid of mercys amped self healing makes her a lot easier to isolate and kill. her movement when GAing is limited and makes her vulnerable to anyone with moderately good aim. going for a res is a huge risk and the range for it is extremely buggy and weird, so it can be difficult to successfully pull around cover for it without A) being spotted and immediately jumped on by their entire team and killed or B) standing right in front of the enemy team and also getting killed. mercy has a super low skill floor but her skill ceiling is a lot fucking higher than moiras, whos entire kit can be summed up by crazy movement ability, insane self healing potential, insane damage potential with a lock on that doesn't require you to aim at all and does 50/s PLUS extra damage if you use your skill orb. mercy has less ability to defend herself, less survivability if whoever is playing her isn't familiar with her kit (and practically none if she's stranded alone at the end of a teamfight), and less self healing output with the new changes. mercy actually takes brainpower to understand how important positioning is, you can literally fucking close your eyes and still get a kill to save yourself with moira because you don't have to aim

[@Catilena1890]

Yeah....I always groan when I see Moira on my team because out of all the Moira's I have met, only one has ever actually healed. I am always ready to compensate when I see her.

[@mfraye12]

@@forcebrand4678 It can take little skill to find some value as mercy, which is why she's the first hero new players try. But to actually be a Good Mercy, it of course takes skill. Knowing when to focus damage boost, who to prioritize healing on and when, how to get value out of guardian angel, knowing in which case you can switch to pistol to get a kill or pressure, can often mean the difference between a team fight win or loss. In my experience most people who think Mercy takes 0 skill are people who if playing Mercy would just stand there and left click at a full-health teammate and think they're doing the most.

[@mitchconner6316]

As someone who 90% plays Mercy and Moira, they are both top tier easy to pick up and play. If you're bad at managing cooldowns and resources, you're going to have an easier time playing Mercy. If you're bad at playing with your team or reading fights, you're going to have an easier time playing Moira. They both have get out of jail free cards. Moira's fade is on a 6 second cooldown while Mercy's GA is only 2.5 seconds. I find it easier to avoid diving enemies as Mercy because of the short cooldown. On the other hand, fading is sneakier. I love both heroes and don't care that they are easy to pick up. They both have a high ceiling and can be one tricked to GM

[@BlazeWolf9511]

At some point it would be cool to see do all blank mains think the same. It’d be fun. If there’s ever one for Sombra, I’d definitely wanna participate lol

[@prismicle5572]

what is a blank main

[@bobwithablog]

​@@prismicle5572how do you tie your shoes in the morning

[@Birbsters]

@@bobwithablog 😭

[@imdva]

@@prismicle5572 theyve been in the game since ow1 idk how you dont know

[@rivn1855]

bruh not everyones played ow1, you cant expect everyone just to know, why couldn't you of just explained

[@blade_1482]

Hot take maybe not but, Mercy is the support to play if you want to get good game sense because she is the spectator/ Awareness support. Other than damage boost and rez, another value Mercy brings is that unlike other supports; you are the one that is and should be the most aware of the battlefield, surroundings, ult usage from both teams, positioning of everyone and urself(since basically all of her abilities requires good positioning to pull off), predicting/ being aware flankers for urself and or the other support, etc. (btw this isn’t me saying that other characters can’t do the same, I’m saying Mercy is the character presented w/ the most opportunity to have that.)

[@PirateWalnut]

I actually agree with this. Weirdly enough mercy helped me learn tank and DPS cause I would position where if I was a support, would want a DPS or Tank and go from there. Good positioning opens up so much potential to do the right play and in my opinion you can get to Diamond with just good positioning/spacing.

[@bigfudge2031]

But Mercy doesn't have a defensive ult like Zen or Lucio, so being able to track enemy ults doesn't mean a lot when you can't do much to stop them.

[@DreadPirate89]

@@bigfudge2031 It means you can be in the correct position for an ult. Know a reaper ult is coming? Back off from your pocket/team group. Know a Sombra is going to ult? Back off. Know a rein is about to ult? Stand in a place you don't get hit. Just because you can't stop the ult doesn't mean you should forget about tracking ults because if you don't get caught you have a chance of turning the fight around.

[@Pedro_eqw]

@@DreadPirate89 Also you can tell your team which ults the enemies have and they can prepare for that

[@bld9826]

I think Lifeweaver usurps Mercy in regards to being a shotcaller. His positioning is further back, and usually higher up, too. His long-range heals and massive hitbox both allow and force him to take these smart positions- and that's before considering that of course he needs to have smart positions and be aware of the battlefield, he's gotta pull allies to himself! Mercy isn't bad at that or anything, but her close-range nature doesn't give her the same sort of overview as LW.

[@BouncyBobas]

7:22 PEACHIE IS SPEAKING BIG FACTS! It’s one thing if you say “hey can I be this support” I’ve had very rare occasions but when you don’t speak up and just yoink the hero I’m playing for the game it’s like how can I trust your choices when you can’t even speak up! 🤣🤣🤣

[@omletow6967]

true. i had a game on numbani when i was in my lucio one trick phase. me and another lucio 1 trick both got into the same team. all it took was asking who is best for what and it was perfect. we had him on defense because he was better at healing and me on attack because i was fast and accurate enough to annoy and kill supports and dps. the change in playstyle threw enemies off constantly. we played characters we were uncomfortable with but as long as one of us thrived to the best we could, we would dominate. i ended up playing multiple supports and adapting based off of what our team needed and he did the same too. that game got me into flexing and i can play whatever is needed now

[@SweetTaleTeller]

I am a Plat Mercy Main, however when she was "The Meta" I hated it because I also play most of the other supports in the game and consider them all a part of my toolkit, and when I or a teammate swapped off mercy people would get upset. I'm glad those days are over because I remember getting sick of my favorite hero and I didn't like that feeling. It's funny how we want our characters to be meta but if they become too meta it can ruin them.

[@SweetTaleTeller]

Also, in my experience dealing with whiny teammates (BTW, I'm very rarely ever the target of the complaint, so I usually see this from a 3rd Person's POV) the most common complaint I see is actually strangely complaining that the DPS aren't getting kills so from my POV DPS aren't the whiniest and are instead usually targets. Still, my Overwatch POV isn't normal from what I understand, as my experiences rarely reflect what everyone else says is happening.

[@bigfella23729]

I had this with brig. Everyone was more weary, taking the pick first, or complaining about everyone playing the new changes, but then it turned out the change was just ok at least they weren’t meta for more then a little bit

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

wait u main mercy but u play other support? impossible! thats unheard of! jokes aside im actually becoming an ana 1 trick. i used to play her 80% of the time but but this month i have literally only swapped to lucio and kiriko to get to get to the payload in overtime, otherwise then that play ana 100% of the time. ana fits into any team comp so its not that big of a problem tho, even when im getting full dived i can win a lot of the time now

[@SweetTaleTeller]

@@iSuckAtGamesGG Oh yes, I love Ana too, though I couldn't devote myself to one hero like that and stay sane. I love swapping and adjusting to enable my teammates. I can't wait to see what the next support adds. Like, I love Lifeweaver as a new pick, dispute what people say. I have found reasons to pick him over other characters already though he definitely needs help. The only support I can't play is Zen... nothing wrong with him I just struggle to understand him. I do love him as an ally though.

[@itznordak]

i reached diamond on all roles, the "dps is easiest role" threw me off because its the only one i struggle to rank up with lol. i got support like it was nothing and i skipped from plat 5 to diamond 5 on tank

[@migueljuarez6788]

Dps is the simplest role, but not the easiest

[@feedingfrenzy4961]

@@migueljuarez6788 I think DPS is also one of the most popular roles with the most heroes as well, so you have a lot of competition. I think being a good support is difficult. But being a better support than your opponents is easier.

[@The-hamster2471]

Dps is the easiest role but what makes it hard are it’s characters.

[@isaiaht9207]

i've never believed that any role is "the hardest" or "the easiest". it's all up to personal opinion

[@itznordak]

@@migueljuarez6788 i completely agree with this. Its really simple but not easy considering a lot of dps abilities or essentially one survival ability and one damage ability

[@Rizzitriver]

"Moria is the easiest support" REAL AND TRUE.

[@chocorenavfx4403]

I was a Main Moira for the longest time because she's SO easy to play, it's great for begginers

[@r3dwhitebeary]

Appreciate that you include people of all ranks thoughts, not just the same 10 people at the top of the ladder I see in every other OW video. I'm not a competitive person, but I like a competitive environment and self-improvement and its good to hear what other people think.

[@rushingtide1710]

1- Lifeweaver just needs something more to make him impactful. Idk what, just something. 2-Mercy has a low skill floor, absolutely but because of that, shes extremely easy to play terribly. I think moira is the "easiest" however. Because she has a simpler kit and less to manage. 3- Dps is only "easy" because of their function. They are worried about kills and damage. It can also be such a carry if you have a good dps. It's practically over if 1 team has a cracked widow on havana. 4- I play every role support is just my favourite. Every support but lucio. Tracer, ashe, and sym for dps mostly. Rein, orisa and winston for tank mostly. 5-One tricks are ok? But its hard to deal with when they get a bad map or hard countered. Im a flex so if i get a 1 trick on a support I dont mind. I can swap easily. 6-Aim is really important but game sense trumps it after a certain point. If you dont know positioning, maps and your hero's strengths, you're screwing over your whole team. I can forgive some shakey aim if you dont LOS me healing you and understand how to use your cooldowns. 7-Its impactful but extremely hard to "carry" on because the support role isnt always actively getting kills. Certain supports have more impact potential though. Like Zen can absolutely carry or a bap or ana. 8/9-A lot of supports are whiney but that's because people in general are whiney. Especially on twitter. I can't even point to any specific support community. Cause they all are. Except bap mains. So few of them that they're all just chill. Tbh i think either the Moira, Zen, Mercy or Lucio mains are the "most" whiney. All the communities have some hands they like throwing.

[@gromplin]

I hate to be that person, but I truly do think LW needs a liiittle more damage potential. I think his abilities for repositioning and support are excellent, but LWs regularly end the game with less than 2k damage and when playing him myself… even emptying the whole clip on someone feels like it does nothing unless they’re literally on full health. Not every support has to be able to have a ‘battle’ function but fending off flankers guarantees you to use pretty much all of your cooldowns. Ana is similar but she can also instant kill a great deal of people with her sleep combo to punish them. LW just throws sand at people pretty much. Other options are being able to dash THROUGH your other teammates to heal them for a moderate amount while still healing yourself or allowing his petal platform to do something more than it does. It’s a GREAT ability but I feel like even allowing it to move forward would be a great way to make plays and position people better.

[@yniekac8851]

DPS is actually the hardest. If you have bad DPS players you can pack your stuff. While its okay if you have 1 one bad support. If the other support is good its not a problem

[@xqaqs]

i think the idea that dps is incredibly easy is fabricated bc of characters like sym/reaper. dps characters like tracer genji and echo have the highest skill ceilings in the game

[@DantesflameX]

Considering moiras high pickrate over half the support roster and the game in general doing this without a Moira player’s input just devalues the video entirely. Moira’s kit may be bone dry but that doesn’t make her easy or require 0 skill. It’s the opposite. It requires a stronger level of game awareness that requires your Moira to be flawless to rank up especially if you’re soloing queuing like me. I wasn’t feeling a lot of these stances and needed more fierce viewpoints that only a Moira player would be able to provide.

[@chocorenavfx4403]

yeah there's a difference between being a good Moira and being a GREAT Moira.

[@Ronan64]

Regarding the question talking about supports being the most whiny, although I haven’t had much communication in my games, the kinda I have seen involve dps complaining the most followed sometimes by tanks. Supports, in general, don’t seem to have nearly as much to complain about outside of things like bad support partners or teammates being toxic/running into fights that they can’t win.

[@CadanL]

They mean in the context of social media - as in response to changes and updates in the game. Though I have to agree the DPS heroes are definitely the most whiny in-game. This might stem from support players usually having a less forceful personality and being more unwilling to speak up, especially in lower ranks. As a support I often find myself annoyed at teammates who don't stay on the point, run into fights they can't win, etc but I don't say anything

[@CommanderNam]

"Mercy mains complain the most" well they also get shit on the most, get horrible balance updates, and the non mercy players flip flop between "shes op and broken" and "shes a throw pick" every 2 months...

[@yomama2376]

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[@migueljuarez6788]

Genji keeps getting nerfed for no reason to the point where "Nerf Genji" is a meme. Doom got reworked, lost an ability, Devs took 85% of his original OW2 tech in the beta for no reason, and was the worst tank/character in the game for the first couple of months of OW2. She barely got anything compared to them

[@sthepcorms6747]

​@@migueljuarez6788Ok but absolutely nobody plays Doom, Mercy is the most popular support on this game, of course you're gonna see more people complaining about her than Doom

[@BPlusEfforts]

DPS role is by far the easiest role in the game from a strictly "This is your job and you must do X to succeed". But that goes out the window with the sheer volume of heroes in the DPS role. There are some SCUFFED DPS Matchups on certain maps & sometimes you're the better player but they have a hard pocket. Game Sense is overall more important. I had a stream of just RNG sensitivity day changing sens every round of every game and still maintained a 75% Win Rate on Baptiste and a ~65% WR on Soldier/Cass/Mei/Tracer from Plat 2-Diamond 2 just because I knew when and where to stand. Then prioritizing the right targets to force mistakes. There's a reason we see some folks with LITERAL aim bot and can't climb out of Gold. Supports being the most impactful is an easy agree because they're the only role in the games that have 12-25 second cooldowns that make entire ULTIMATES useless or can take picks off the board. The only more impactful hero in the game at the moment is Widow. Support heroes being whiny is true but who isn't? Every HERO's fanbase clamors for buffs/reworks and shudders at the thought of a nerf. People just over dunk on Support Hero Players because the majority of the player base still thinks they're just "Healers who healbot" and the rest don't believe that half of them require any sort of skill. 𝗔𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝗮 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹 𝗵𝗮𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗗𝗶𝘀𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗱 𝗢𝗿𝗯 Good video & discussions!

[@engineergaming3830]

as dps you have a lot of hero types to learn if you want to climb as support you only really need 2 supports have it easier since they are almost never forced to switch and can play what they like at all times

[@butteredchocolate9999]

Dps gives the most utility and is usually your biggest damage output, however it requires lots of attention due to having a lower hp pool relying on tanks and healers while also having a lot of position requirements if not more than supports. Health packs are more important for Dps also.

[@thoet7270]

"Plat mercys are the whinest" i didnt come here to be dragged and read to filth 😢

[@Than211]

As a support main, I have to strongly disagree on many of the questions asked. A one-trick Cassidy/Widow/Soldier/Hanzo with expert level mechanical skill can easily dominate a game and there's little to nothing anyone can do about it. Like you get those games where you literally peek out and you're dead, no amount of game sense as a support or dps will save you and no tank can save you. There's a reason why the pro OWL teams almost always have a Widow on their team doing ridiculous sling mid-air headshots and the only way to really counter her is to have a pro Widow of your own. In the 'lower' ranks, it really comes down to the DPS to have to deal with the Echo and Pharah mainly. Sure, you can play Zen/Bap/Ana to maybe deal with them but that takes your attention away from healing your team so it really becomes your DPS' job - and that is even assuming you're not a one-trick outside of those characters (not that there's anything wrong with it, it's just they can't really do much about a Pharah or Echo). I'm not saying support is always easy but when compared to a really good tank or a really good dps, support definitely have it easier than them; the one maybe exception is a ridiculously good Ana who lands everything and anti the opposing team constantly - outside of her, I feel no matter how good you play as a support, it will only get you so far (i.e. you can't carry the team).

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

i dont get how some people think support is the least impactful role. i main ana and the amount of times a dps goes genji, tracer, sombra, or winston just to counter ME makes me feel pretty damn impactful. and im nearly an ana 1 trick so i STILL am able to play ana while they are countering me, they sometimes be acting like im a fkn widow with these swaps too lol. its just that role value depends on team comp and map. like playing with or against brawl makes me feel like i am the carry. while playing against poke/sniper comps make me feel usless. role value depends on comp and map basically and its just that sniper/poke is the most miserable comp in existence so it sticks to ur brain

[@mattiOTX]

I actually dont mind one tricks, when gets me is sometimes you do as a support have to figure out how to actually support and unlock them to do what they do. That can sometimes be difficult if they are being hard countered but as a support players i probably can make a swap to make it work.

[@emieyebrows]

I have played Overwatch for around 4-5ish months now and I just recently started consuming overwatch content, specifically on youtube & instagram. And I hate it. Some are funny and relatable but the majority is just people trashing on each other for liking a certain hero or playing a certain way. High rankers dissing low rankers, low rankers hating on high rankers. I don't even know half of the overwatch slangs being said, i just learned what one trick means. But your vids are on the good/funny side of overwatch content.

[@conederaclement1368]

I loved two things in this ep : how the gay sounding guy main Mercy and how they almost all shit on dps

[@yeetdagamer8546]

Dps complain the most from my experience. I don't shit on the role though. I despise most dps players.

[@migueljuarez6788]

​@@yeetdagamer8546 Do you play dps?

[@rezq9109]

1:59 my thoughts exactly. I'm former mercymain myself and I find it extra cringy when other mercymains try to portray her as something difficult. Come on. It's ok to play easy characters. It's ok to be bad on difficult ones. So much insecurity around this topic is so mind-numbing. 3:19 also this take is so bad, I can't. There is similar anecdotal experience for each character, and good morning, this is fps game, everyone wants to kill you. You think Moiras don't get chased the moment they use their fade? I know it's not common to pay attention to skill cds on gold, but as previous guy said - every Mercy's skill, her problems, her priorities... all other supports - they have that and MORE.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

as an ana main i cringe every time mercy players say "but we get targeted 😭" bro i dont want to hear it from them, they can literally fkn FLY. the amount of times i've been solo barraged, shatterd, junkrat tired, and coalesced gives me ptsd. hell Bastion's ult is literally hand made to kill me and zen. not only that but the amount of time the dps counter swap to kill and hard focus me is crazy. its happened so much at this point that i win most 1v1's against tracers and genjis cause i've played against them so much. IN FACT i encountered so many tracers that i actually became a decent tracer player by just playing against them. anyways i made my point, im off to go pulse bomb the enemy ana 20 time. now that i think about it i commit so much friendly fire on supports lmfao. like all the heros i like to play are support players nightmares (echo, genji, tracer, soldier, and dva)

[@xoxoSwanks]

hey! i said that mainly because i have played all supports, and i feel the difference on how often i get targeted when i play mercy lmao. i never said she doesn't have the mechanical capability to get away, or that this doesn't happen to other heroes, just that i feel like she becomes a major priority for the enemy team to go after her, more so than other heroes. but supports overall do get this attention more than other roles. also, though i may not really play comp anymore, i did peak diamond in OW1, so i am def familiar with calling out CDs and what not, so i do see your point there!

[@xoxoSwanks]

@@iSuckAtGamesGG i was an ana main for awhile, and trust me i don't mean to say we don't get jumped too 😭 it could be a toss up between mercy and ana for how gets targeted the most, i just swear that i get more ults and focus committed to getting me when i play mercy, but ana is such a close second lmao especially for doom ults...they are always for ana

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

@@xoxoSwanks dont remind me about doom ult... when he ults all u can do is go into the least favorable position for him to be in and hope ur team is able to punish him after ur dead. at least with bastion u can play mind games to dodge his ult

[@xoxoSwanks]

@@iSuckAtGamesGG LMAO RIGHT sometimes i get lucky and zarya will bubble me, but really only if they have played support before and know our struggle. i just have a panic attack when bastion ults me and pray for the best.

[@halichu]

About the Mercy mains being entitled, I definitely agree to an extent but I can also see why some Mercy mains (myself included) got upset at all the hate that she’s been receiving lately. Because people put Mercy in F tier and suddenly she was S tier just because of Sojourn. She was never reworked the way anyone wanted her to be reworked and a lot of the people that were complaining about dmg boost stopped even tho nothing was done to it, which doesn’t really make sense to me, because now she gets even more value out of boosting when her movement got nerfed. Also I’d like to say that in my opinion and from my experience with Twitter it doesn’t really matter if you give constructive criticism about Mercy, cuz no matter what you’ll say you’ll always have people say “mercy takes no skill” or “I hope they delete mercy”. I’ve seen countless of comments that are extremely childish and uncalled for under Skiesti’s and Niandra’s tweets. Think about it this way, if it was your main receiving rework after rework, changing the hero that you’ve been playing for years, would you just stay quiet? Cuz I highly doubt any hero main would stay quiet about their main being messed with. Just look at doomfist, people complained about him and rightfully so but I didn’t see them receive the same kind of backlash as mercy mains have 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@hyperj0nas153]

Saying that no one was asking for movement nerfs is just delusional imo

[@halichu]

@@hyperj0nas153 the whole mercy discussion started, because of dmg boost so I don’t see your point lol. Explain to me how she was F tier then with her old movement and all her old abilities and suddenly she’s S tier with her 5 ammo increase🤡 You can’t cuz it makes no literal sense. The only reason she was meta was because of Sojourn. The people that were complaining and now suddenly think she’s fine are just hypocrites. It literally proves our point that mercy was fine all along. Also the people complain about her movement are the same people that want supports to just be bots that stand still.

[@eriksw1298]

@@halichu because dmg boost breaks dmg barrier that causes heroes that would probably be fine be insanely op, why arent people complaining about that right now? because there is currently no heroes that was as broken as pre nerf ashe or sojourn

[@migueljuarez6788]

Mercy mains got backlash because Dooms rework was way bigger than Mercy's. They aren't comparable at all. Plus, Doom also got around 85% of his originla ow2 tech taken out during the beta for no reason.

[@halichu]

@@migueljuarez6788 that doesn’t justify the hate ALL mercy mains face. Why do we get hate just because of the character we play? I know plenty of mercy mains that simply give constructive criticism and they get flamed for it. The community just seems so have a massive hatred for that character, because she takes less skill than some other supports 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@fionntoe]

kiriko was lowkey being a W the whole time

[@jules0519]

ima be honest, as a one trick mercy main myself, i know we can be really whiny and annoying a lot of the times 😭 it's in our blood

[@sunofabeach9424]

Words "mercy" and "think" should not be near each other

[@hemuhemu69]

1. I dont think lifeweaver is too bad, more like players havent found the best way to play him/with him yet. Remember when brig got released, even tho she had monster stats nobody was playing her correctly at all. She didnt even prominently appear in owl until funnily enough dallas fuel's mickie started using her. Other than brig and lifeweaver every other new hero released had an obvious way to obtain their value. However i do feel that lifeweaver needs a buff, just for a different reason, which is as an incentive for players to start picking him up and actually learning him. Now nobody is playing him which means the understanding of his playstyle will remain stagnant and unrefined for a longer period than usual. Forcing him to be viable (for now) might be the way to go. 2. Every hero has their own whiny fanbase. Mercy's just feels the worst because of recency bias (her recent movement nerf) and also due to her high playercount. Remember when sombra was op? Zen and ana players couldnt shutup. Even players of other roles are whiny. Tanks complaining about sombra then sojourn then kiriko and now about zen. Dps complaining about zarya, dva, kiriko, widow, orisa, etc. The cycle just never stops.

[@jakereynolds9652]

Yo why is StellarGrave bronze bruh I've heard gm's with worse takes lol. I'll say this much, her understanding of the game is way better than mine was when I was bronze and I'm now diamond so I'm really interested to see how far they can go

[@nosferatustg7675]

Did i watch one of these videos because it was recommended to me? Yep. Did i fall into a rabbit hole and watch all the other ones? Most certainly

[@ChristalRaine]

You’re my fav type of person 😎

[@ChristalRaine]

Wait I just saw your pfp…… nvm I take back what I said

[@nosferatustg7675]

@@ChristalRaine LMFAO

[@Arrow333]

Playing mainly Kiriko, Brig, Mercy On the last one: I usually see DPS, sometimes tanks complain about other characters, including support heroes. Support players in result just defend their heroes from these sometimes bad takes, but also willing to offer options if they see the complaints being valid. Of course Blizzard usually does change something totally different and inrelevant, so we can complain about a new and actual problem introduced.

[@jamesfoster6506]

Game sense is more important while mechnical wins some games

[@Catilena1890]

So, here's my take on playing support: My comfort zone in any team-based game is as a healer. Just straight up heals. Any kind of buff is secondary as I am dead weight in terms of damage. Basically, I prioritize keeping everyone alive first as I need my team to compensate for my lack of DPS. So in terms of Overwatch, these are my picks and their reasons: Lucio: My go-to when I end up being the only healer, be it open queue or I have a DPS Moira. Lucio is great at bulk-healing and I can keep my entire team alive as long as they stay in range. Mercy: my last resort because she is stupid easy to play. I triage my team with her if my other support is honestly trying but can't outpace the damage they are trying to heal. I basically speed up their healing. Moira: If our DPS is low I will chase people off my team, but you will almost always see yellow when I am on the field. Brigitte: Reinhardt and Doomfist are irritating me. That's it. Kiriko: Ana is irritating me. Also few things are scarier than a Rushed Reinhardt. Ana: There's only one person on my team actually doing anything, so I will make them a 1-man army. Zenyatta: There is a pit, I WILL throw you in it. Baptiste: I'm playing Mystery Heroes. Lifeweaver: The only person I actually play AS support. He sucks as a healer without the tree of life, but he is totally worth it when people ask "Where the fuck did that tank come from?" with a sneaky petal platform. I actually shredded a team on New Queen Street by tossing my Junker Queen in a window around a corner and she ulted into them from behind. So, yeah, I mostly focus health and more often than not, I do well in a game this way.

[@chocorenavfx4403]

I have the exact same ranking! (also people are always complaining that Moiras are too dps, but unless it's panic time my orbs will be yellow)

[@Catilena1890]

@@chocorenavfx4403 If I'm playing support and we're not doing well as a team, 9 times out of 10 it's the Moira who gets shit on no matter who I am playing as long as I'm not her. Come to think of it, I don't get shit on at all when my team does badly if I am support |D

[@supersaiyansalamence]

These are better than the Jubilee prompts, keep it up

[@ReconNarwhal]

Hearing all the Mercy slander was the best part of the video

[@BobOrKlaus]

11:55 at this point i would come back on stage because that doesnt just include twitter lol

[@atruealpha_]

LMAO I FORGOT ABOUT THE WHOLE COMPARISON TO SPLATOON. It was a good comparison but it was so out of the blue that it killed me 😂

[@girlbossvoddump932]

Haha. I'm that person that plays splat, I play that more so I see lots of meshing between the two games because it's competitive

[@chocorenavfx4403]

@@girlbossvoddump932 I have to go back to Splatoon I love that game

[@cheshirecat742]

Being a support main, Tank is the most important followed by Support, than DPS. No matter how good your DPS is, it doesn't matter if your Tank makes dumb decisions, DPS normally can't pick up the slack of a bad tank, and Supports are what keep the tank alive 9/10 times. Plus a solid dive tank like Wrecking Ball can go in kill both supports, and get out before the DPS even notice. Note I'm a plat support and I refuse to Mercy 9/10 times because the other support tends too not heal enough for there ever be a time where me as Mercy pocket will help. If you disagree, good for you, most plat range support focus on DPS cause they aren't support mains, they're just on an off role/ or think DPSing is more important than their tanks life. Note fending off the Tracer or whomever dove is different. I'm talking about the DPS Moiras and such who only DPS and maybe throw a heal. I choose Moira cause they are normally the most common next to Zen for just DPSing over providing any heals in any elo I've seen. Note I've played in games with GMs and down to bronze players, Moiras and Zens tend to focus more on DPS than Heal focused ones from my experience.

[@NullitasOfOne]

I agree with them on all these takes basically. I started out as a dps main when I started playing in 2016 but switched over to support after almost a year. I found mercy super fun to play and 1 tricked her for the longest time. In 2020 I started playing other supports and now can play effectively basically most of them. I've met a lot of whiny support players, but I've met whinier dps players tbh. Some support players are definitely entitled. It's usually the mid-tier to bronze support mains from my experience. When playing support, you should 100 percent be able to kill things as well and in plat higher games you really need to be balancing healing utility and damage equally. Lower support players don't realize this and end up complaining about bad dps not killing certain heroes and the lack of damage and making excuses to why they can't climb. Which yes, it's the dps job to secure kills and provide pressure but in a game where you don't know anyone on your team you won't always get dps who can do their jobs, same with tanks and even your second support. You have to pull others weight sometimes to win and that's just a testament to how good of a support player you are. Supports have had to adapt to many changes throughout the years so I don't see the problem with becoming more agro now. If you get games where you have a team who is simply amazing and you only have to worry about yourself then that's great, but reality is that's not going to be every game and so support players really need to adapt and not get comfortable.

[@mattiOTX]

I laugh when I get lower elo games and dps complain about me doing damage or getting kills as ana or zen. Like my guy, Im ending the fights faster by doing dps and I'm not letting them die. Just eat a shot or 2 when I finish off the kill. I'll heal it back up. Once I got to plat and diamond if you can't throw hands with the tracers and genjis in the backline then dps are going to flame you for not being good enough to drive off the dps. I tell people all the time figure out how to heal first then you will see times in-between healing to do damage. Make as much value as you can produce.

[@jyti88]

A lot of even gm supports don't realise how much dmg supports can actually do. Like ana 3 shots and Bap 2 burst. So you should do dmg if no one is in severe danger

[@jwall1646]

That Lucio is crazy to think Mercy was ever op. But he’s a Lucio so I shouldn’t be surprised 😅

[@prama5]

Funny how most of them are one tricks and most of the dislike one tricks lol

[@asymmetricfuzion970]

Dps is the hardest to play, that’s as a support main. I can duel most DPS as Ana or bap or zen or even moira sometimes but dps has no sustain without health packs and support, they provide NO VALUE unless they put themselves in danger (support can throw healing round a corner and not expose and still get some value. Dps you get kills or you add NOTHING to your team). Tank is most impactful role but relies on support to enable them. Support is super important for swinging a fight. Dps is a hard role that’s highly impactful super stressful and unless you have a great skill and good aim and good positioning, you can throw as DPS so easily Also that gold 2 zen main knows what’s up. Just standing in the right place will get you out of bronze/silver no problem but gold into plat and getting out of plat AS SUPPORT you need to be able to win duels or literally you are 100% relying on rolling a good DPS and not coming up into a full on dive comp with a bounty on your head

[@inversion9697]

"Dps and tank are most impactful because without supports they cant do anything" except 2 paragraphs long

[@saiintFPS]

As a Zen main I actually quite disagree with the guy who said mechanical skill is more useful than gamesense. You don't use good mechanical skill to aim with zen (or in my opinion any projectile hero). Good accuracy with orb volleys is all about understanding how people move about the map/playing around movement cooldowns and getting good with zen requires combining that with great positioning because of how squishy he is. You can have terrible mechanical skill and have crazy accuracy with zen if you're good at reading movement.

[@PirateWalnut]

I’m gonna comment this because I’ve been seeing people have issue with me saying it’s a skill issue to climb. And I’m going to explain this take a bit more than the video shows. A lot of the talk about whether if it is hard to climb on support or any role in that regard refers to a player’s perspective of how impactful they think the role is. While some see support as not as impact cause you may not be getting kills upon kills, this is far from the truth. So many abilities like discord, anti, speed and DMG boost open up so much space and supporting power (ikr crazy supports support) that is less shown in the stats of you but in game, so much so that comps are centered around them and not to mention the amount of metas created by supports such as GOATS with Brig, Moth Meta with Mercy, even beyblade meta long ago because of Ana’s nano giving speed boost early OW1. With that said, there is a lot of things a player can improve on regardless of rank and at the end of the day you are the only constant variable in your games. I’d rather push a narrative that blames yourself for a loss and use that experience to learn more from rather than blame teammates who I will more than likely never see,especially in lower ranks, as well as bring in tilt to my next game and that snowballing into a tilt-queue fest. There will be games where it isn’t your fault, but so many more where you could be playing better. (This take is more for a competitive person/play, play the game how you want at the end of the day most people aren’t getting paid to play this and if you aren’t competitive then take this with a grain of salt. The most important thing is to have fun cause in my opinion life is too short to hop onto OW after your 9-5 just to tilt and feel like shit.)

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

i think what role is impactful changes depending on the map and comp of both ur team and the enemy team. like for example support is actually legitimately not impactful when ur facing against a sniper comp on poke maps. but if the enemy team is going brawl 1 ana nade changes everything, and if its brawl vs brawl the team with the better support wins. like a rein v rein game is literally won by whoever has the better ana and kiriko

[@AnimeOtaku56.]

Maybe this is because it was 2 months ago but DPS being the easiest is crazy. Immortality, cleanse, damage boost, etc make the game so easy. In terms of difficulty it is definitely Tank, DPS, Support from hardest to easiest in that order.

[@ComplexOw]

Tank is the most impactful, without a tank you can’t win, without a supp or dps you still have a chance

[@engineergaming3830]

snipers can dominate a game even with a shit tank

[@ShibaInu102]

For the “Mercy is one of the easiest supports”, YASS XOXOSWANKS- SPEAAK!!! [Edit]- Anyway, I do agree that if you’re gonna talk about easy/the easiest support than it’s Moira, not Mercy. [Edit #2]- Although I agree that the Mercy fan base can sound whiny, can you really blame them? They’ve been getting hate sense the release of her in OW 1, and everyone wants something changed on her. Her player base has gone through the wringer, especially in OW 2 these past seasons. I believe all people get whiny when it’s about the character they love to play. [Edit #3]- I’m also not here to fight about “the easiest hero”. So please don’t start one in the comments. In my real opinion, every hero has their pro’s & con’s & takes different skill sets in order to truly master & get good value out of. Are there some that are easier to pick up? Sure. But every character can be easier or more difficult depending on the individual person. Anyway, I love this series! Hopefully I can get in it one day! Keep it up! Can’t wait for more! ❤

[@xoxoSwanks]

I GOTCHU

[@tomie5937]

i use to think the easiest support was moira but mercy is way too simple. mercy is not mechanically challenging, and instead just forces you to think about positioning. and if you think about it, every character needs to think about positioning. moira only has fade which is on a cd of like 6 seconds and can only go in one direction, which forces you to think about positioning. her orbs also force you to consider the direction of where it’s going to go and how to maximise it. opposed to mercy’s resurrection which is often just res when the other team is dead or res when other team is not near and u can go behind a wall, which is common logic

[@ShibaInu102]

@@tomie5937 Spoken like a true Moira main

[@ShibaInu102]

@@xoxoSwanks OMG HAI BBG

[@rebornjoker359]

Just visit the Overwatch subreddit to see the support main circlejerk

[@c.o.f.f.e.e..]

OMG LITERALLY 💀💀

[@hinabun5578]

“Support is the most impactful role in the game” somewhat agree, mostly yes because a lot of the times ppl base their team around the supports. For example, if you want to dive, you’re gonna need the correct healers for it. If you see a certain healer on your teams, you’re probably gonna switch to fit the support especially if there’s a really good Ana on the team. Also lot of the healers ability can majorly counter tanks/dps aka Ana’s anti. I know I piss people off so much with the sleep + nade combo + my team jumping them lol

[@shrekolascage5579]

xoxoswanks was so pressed abt the hot take that mercy was the easiest LMAO

[@stephenjennings555]

Hot take: Moira has a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling. People complain about Moira teammates so often because very few people can strike the balance between damage and healing well enough

[@primus_03]

this Pirate guy oof

[@Nephilim2809]

yes they are so fckn toxic

[@alexlimlar2163]

Hard disagree on supports being the most impactful. Supps are designed to enable the teams to make plays or get picks (f.ex nanoblade, discord orb, dmg boost etc) but at the end of the day the rest of the team have to follow up. You can have a big anti nade as Ana while having nobody following it up, or a nanoblade where then genji whiffs it. You can definitely carry as support, but it is by far the least impactful role

[@uw0k]

why do you think comps are formed around supports?

[@godhelpusallc1219]

Supports enable but they also deny the enemy, ana can nano a genji sure but do you know what she can do also? Trade sleep for 2 ults if the enemy does it. Sounds really fucking impactful if you ask me.

[@feedingfrenzy4961]

Supports are enablers, but a lot of them can enable themselves which makes them very independent and impactful. You can often kill the discorded/anti naded target yourself. You have a self-healing passive, so you'll never be neglected and forced to look for a health pack with 50 hp when your teammates get fixated on the tank battle. You are the best role at completely nullifying enemy ults, most of which can be countered with a normal support ability like sleep, suzu, lamp, and life grip. A lot of the combos supports have do leave most of the execution to their team, but the rest of the team also depends on the supports to stay alive and build ult charge for those combos. Genji's ultimate is not good without nano. Even though it sucks to see a Genji waste your nano, he is the one who is depending on you. If your Genji sucks, you have 3 other potential nano targets (4 if you count Bob). But if you're the Genji and your Ana sucks, you're left with one of the worst ults in the game and you'd probably be better off just swapping heroes.

[@MoonLiteNite]

Everyone says moria is easiest support. Sure, if the goal is just sit there yeeting out orbs and using your dash to note die. But you can have highest heals and damage in the game if you are a skilled player. Being able to go from healing your tank, to sniping the other team's ana or 76, then getting back to healing takes huge skill

[@yeetdagamer8546]

But every other hero requires more skill soooo Moira is the easiest but that doesn't mean you can climb the ranks easier!

[@nothingtoseehere2]

You moira mains get inflated stats then flex them thinking you carried the game, it's actually wild

[@jetlirlajqi6977]

gamesense way more important because if you have gamesense its easier to actually gain mechanical skill. however you can have great mechanical skill and be utterly useless to your team or even drag them down.

[@ncascini01]

This was so good!

[@D3ltAYT]

The top ranks are 2 Boosted Mercy Mains and 1 OTP Lucio 😭

[@ikaros6633]

As a tank main I appreciate almost every support. I hate zen for obvious reasons and Moira because either they do nothing with their two dimensional kit or are foul of themselves. Technically I hate Lucio's but only when they heal not and claim they're doing they job, like please give us speed or go harass the enemy team. We don't need a moving payload point 2.0.

[@KingDarkness100]

Im no dps main and i still think its the hardest role

[@kuaithe]

I think dps is hard too because the characters don’t have a lot of health and have to make some risky choices to get kills. I usually don’t get mad when dps have the most deaths because they don’t have defensive capabilities like supports and most characters are fragile

[@GS00513]

one trick have 2 side, troll by gettin mad at someone on your team and already hopeless or have a most skillful play of that character. There is no in between, kinda judge first if the one trick is troll or not, if not most likely i'll be gratefull especially sym god 1 trick bcs you just dmg boost her as mercy and enemy just vaporize

[@ladyinwight]

piratewalnut is slaying in this video

[@rusk011]

"if you are good enough at your support you can climb, if you cant its a skill issue" tell that to dafran with his wifeleaver.

[@SpaceGhost831]

As a GM dps, I do agree with some of these takes ngl. Dps are hella whiney. And thats honestly mostly their fault but the supports I meant honestly make themselves look like the victims for their mistakes and put the blame on me for not "diffing" the enemy dps. Its already a hard job being expected to do the killing and making big impacts each fight but the supports only care about my stats and not what I do

[@jak6744]

Frfr it’s like people that play sombra they say your stats are bad! But don’t realize you’ve been distracting the enemies back line the whole time and that help others make plays! Stats don’t always tell the full story

[@DoodleBug84]

As a flex player who was once a support main (Mercy 1 trick for ages) I can feel, inside, that "Oh well. My DPS just suck." or "OMFG WHY WON'T YOU PEEK ME!?" but at the end of the day, a lot of that can come down to people just. . . Getting diffed or even feeling they're doing the right thing by being aggressive while the other is doing the right thing being passive/defensive. I try not to openly criticize my teammates even if I feel, in my inner sound chamber, that it's something they could do to be better/more in sync. . . Because ultimately, getting pissed off at your team and calling them out/being toxic isn't going to make anyone else play better. Be supportive, suggest things constructively, even throw out a few compliments. . . And hope that people can change, including yourself. I can promise you that we do notice more than your stats. We notice your positioning, especially when we can't get to you for that much needed healing. We notice when you peel for us, and we thank you for it. We notice when you're actively hunting down that widowmaker who's making our lives hell. We notice when you spam for healing and you know what? We often feel upset because we can't get it to you where you're at, or because we're trying to juggle something else, or not die ourselves. We want to help you pop off. We feel a sense of pride when we can empower our DPS or our tanks to really shine. Sometimes we're mad at ourselves because we miss that sleep dart, or accidentally cancel our own rez because it's impossible to tell where that distance is at, or booped an enemy in the wrong direction, etc, etc, etc. Sometimes we take it out on the DPS because they're the ones who often need our help the most to make the difference in the game that we need them to make. . . But I promise you, if your'e really trying, really doing your best to keep US safe? We'll go to our proverbial grave to keep you safe, too.

[@RoboVirtue]

On the topic of onetricks, as a support player, I'm fine with them unless they're supports who onetrick low healing characters because it always forces me to be the one dishing out most of the heals. No hate to the Lucio/Zen onetricks but I age a year when you are in my comp games.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

i 1 trick ana cuz she's fun and she works in almost every situation if ur good enough

[@yeetdagamer8546]

You passively aggressively just shat on my support mains.

[@RoboVirtue]

@@yeetdagamer8546I'm sorry : [ (but only a little bit)

[@ricocarpenter2189]

One thing people seem to forget when talking about how Mercy mains are whiny is that Mercy is probably the most reworked hero in overwatch. Im a support flex so not a Mercy main but its reasonable to understand why players would constantly be agaisnst changes to Mercy because A. Its frustrating to constantly have your character change in a drastic way and now you have to relearn them And B. And the changes always make her too weak, too strong, or horrible to play

[@migueljuarez6788]

Doom got reworked into a tank, lost an ability, gained an ability, lost 85% of his original ow2 tech in the beta, and was the worst tank for the first couple of months of ow2. Mercy got a 1.5 second nerf...

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@migueljuarez6788 Do some research about OW1. Mercy has received multiple changes outside of the 1.5 second thing. This comment just sounds ignorant

[@espurr94]

Why does that one kid have such a problem with brig lmao 💀

[@pineapples4247]

Why is anyone below high diamond in these. They’re in those pow ranks for a reason. Especially those bronze players

[@rindrr]

🤎🤎 Love to see people coming for me as a Mercy main /j Keep up the amazing videos!! I hope you had fun in Japan

[@macegb9364]

Someone should create an AI that determines who is the most advantageous to be healing or buffing with Mercy and tells you while you play. Maybe even a rework so she has a little fairy who tells you

[@macegb9364]

You have to buy skins for the fairy separately tho, or else she's fugly.

[@pants9969]

just use your eyes and gamesense lol you need to learn some decision making

[@macegb9364]

@@pants9969 Mmm... No, I still like my idea 🙄 how else are they gonna sell more skins?

[@a-aronander-son5861]

Support players whiney? Nooooo really??? I'm a support main who plays most of the heroes and we whine. We do, its a fact. Its often deserved, but not always. The recent Mercy changes (both sets) are a prime example of whete its okay to complain, and only because the changes were horribly done. The mass rez however is not a reason to complain because of how truly busted it was. Hell even the increased healing under 50% was busted, so we have no right to complain about that revert. There is a lot of nuances with changes. Sometimes the complaints are valid, sometimes they are not. But what the community needs to keep in mind is that there are so few support options that a change that "breaks" a character or playstyle is much more devastating than to the DPS roll who have so many options for every team comp. Dive, poke, brawl, there are a load of DPS options for every comp, but support has like 2 at most with some hybrids. Tank is very close to support with the limits, but being only 1 super tank opens the floor for 3-4 options for the comps. What's more; tank buffs/nerfs more often dictate metas, whereas support buffs/nerfs change playstyles. So yes we whine, but we are also much more limited, so any change has so much more of an impact on us.

[@starsgambit412]

XOXOSWANKS SPITTING I LOVE HER

[@xoxoSwanks]

OMG ILYM

[@mitchconner6316]

Moira is no easier to play than Mercy or Brig. People who are less than stellar at managing cooldowns and resources are going to have a way easier time playing Mercy, Brig, or even Zen

[@ItSnowsInHell]

I wish those who choose to play competitive actually take it seriously or at least put in the time to learn the basics. The amount of people I've met , as a new player, that after years playing still don't have basic fundamentals or clearly don't care very much but still plays comp over other modes. Just frustrating knowing most teammates aren't gonna care or won't put the time in to improve.

[@domsmith7275]

Not me making the pikachu shocked face being a plat 1 Mercy Main.

[@girlbossvoddump932]

I was in this vid! Thanks for the opportunity! ❤

[@lliamswick8507]

THIS MAN DID NOT JUST SAY RELEASE ANA WAS BUSTED.............

[@scarletsix6989]

Lifeweaver is good for the same reason as winston, cuz he can consistently get his team a pick and get said teammate out with grab

[@yasemink.8402]

Hi! this is the first video I have watched of you now and it is such a cool idea, but as someone with english as a second language it is a little hard to understand everything with the loud music. I think if it was just a little bit quieter I could focus better on their opinions and hear them more. Still a great video! :)

[@seoktheseballs]

piratewalnut spilled

[@remen8021]

what about questions on push? Like "Do you like the Push Gamemode" or the spicy "Would you prefer 2cp over Push"

[@ChristalRaine]

I’ve asked those in previous OverThink episodes :) I don’t mind repeating questions but I didn’t think that was as fitting for this episode!

[@YeooJohn]

6:22’ A one trick zen and the enemy team is cranking dmg and can keep up with heals” . If you can’t survive with a zen on your time either 1 you’re taking too much dmg or 2 Your main healer isn’t healing

[@ImAFoox]

Ah yes, that brain game on the DS music that scared me as a child

[@ettelen4781]

Ok. This thing about support players being whiny... It annoys me. I so hard disagree. If the character gets changes you dislike you will complain. I see Genji and Doom players being more entitled than any support. Even Mercy players hate on Mercy players? Wtf.

[@migueljuarez6788]

Where do you hear Doom and Genji players being entitled? Doom got his character reworked and lost most tech, Genji got nerfed again, and yet they're still not as loud as the Mercy community complaining over a few changes.

[@pooprat6397]

@@migueljuarez6788 idk, I can’t go to a single comment section relating to Overwatch without somebody putting, “with this in mind, we’ve decided to nerf Genji”. But Mercy and Genji mains are both hella whiny. They’re both good characters and in pretty good spots right now. People need to accept that if you’re underperforming, sometimes it’s just a skill issue.

[@migueljuarez6788]

@@pooprat6397 "Nerf Genji" is a meme. They aren't being serious lol. I've heard people saying to nerf Genji when talking about Apex Legends.

[@pooprat6397]

@@migueljuarez6788 actually, the complaints about Genji got to be so much that the devs responded in their most recent interview.

[@riyankoto]

I'm a support main and I agree. Supporters are whiny and entitled. (Especially mercy mains LMAO)

[@raydog0483]

I always hated how in diamond rank and below, I always had people telling ne Lucio sucked while using heroes that benefit the most from Lucio. I climbed to GM with Lucio as one of my most played heroes behind Kiriko Ana and Zen🧍🏽‍♂️. Also for the DPS being the easiest role I kinda have to agree. I play DPS currently in diamond after finally deciding to play other roles and I have to think about so little beyond just where the enemies and myself are positioned, it feels so much more mechanical than support even as an Ana player, but I still feel Tank is harder than support cause despite the less mechanical nature you have so much more strategically to worry about.

[@jyti88]

But your diamond on dps of course it is easy

[@raydog0483]

@@jyti88 I'm still facing people in my skill level

[@engineergaming3830]

@@raydog0483 watch some gm/high rank games dps are usually the main diffrence makers

[@TooHappyToLive]

Ok Im a plat support that plays mercy and I'm just saying I DONT COMPLAIN THAT MUCH if anything I get annoyed when things are going a bit bad but never yell or whine when my team do bad. Just making that clear.

[@lucky1800]

"mercy is the easiest support". No. The easiest is Lucio and I will di3 in that hill. Hear me out. I have introduced A LOT of people into overwatch from different backgrounds, gamers and non gameers I have played with them for weeks, and Lucio is one of the heroes they feel more confortable playing as in general on support. Lucio can be of value just existing around his team, He apports healing just by being near, without an orb, without clicking anything, you can explore, learn how to position, how to engage and disingage just by clicking a button. Yes. Moira is easy, but Moira still needs to make a concicious effort into healing, damaging, and using her orbs/ultimate. most of these people I have introduced into Overwatch are NOT gamers, or FPS players that come with a previous understanding, so knowing they can just exist in the game and be usefull and run around walls without so much of being super "bad" a it its perfect for them. This doesnt mean that a bad lucio and a good lucio its the same. No. But Lucio have a floor that anyone who picks him at low level will be usefull in him. So, thats why I say He is the easiest for a new player to pick and start feeling the game without too much preassure. he can heal, he can scape, he can dps and he have a "panic" button in his ultimate and boop. dont @ me.

[@migueljuarez6788]

It's Zen. Zen is the easiest to get value out of

[@lucky1800]

@@migueljuarez6788 you are the easiest to be killed on too. My point still stands. Lucio its the easiest character for a new player to feel the Game without the need to be able to have played a fps before

[@chocorenavfx4403]

I don't play OW often (i don't have time) but when I do I play Lucio and Moira EXACTLY for these reasons, like maybe i'll never go plat or something but really i'm just happy i kept my teammates alive and was at a good enough level not to get screamed at

[@glitchym1017]

Being a mercy otp I’ve taken peachie’s advice about just asking for mercy if they pick her but either they don’t respond or they say no so at that point it’s not my fault because at least I tried.

[@Patrick-nz5lx]

the brain training music was a nice touch

[@aquasystm]

That nintendo Brain music. If you know, you know.

[@jstnknd]

not him saying brig is the easiest support

[@migueljuarez6788]

Zen is.

[@LostBoyGem]

I am the god awful Mercy they speak of. :D

[@SwaySora]

One thing you can notice is higher ranks usually have the same stand

[@jelruv6721]

Answers from disagree side for the first question: Lifeweaver is bad because trolls exist. lol

[@soul3647]

the rank difference and opinions are soooo funny, cause the lower ranks say yes game is hard, and then you get to the higher ranks and they are like game is mid.

[@balakkei]

People definitely got the second question twisted. Several responded as if the question was asking if Mercy is THE easiest support, instead of whether Mercy is ONE OF the easiest, which she definitely is. Moira has a lower skill floor, though.

[@aaronaei6758]

Pirate and Peachie are my life. DPS are way more likely to comment on something they dint have an opinion. If you are a DPS main but are GM in Support, doesn’t mean your opinion is more valid than mine. Most of the time they play, Lucio, Zen, Bap and just DPS. You don’t have to deal with it all the time. You guys really are not entitled to an opinion over anyone else.

[@INFECTEDbandaid]

Where is the Flex v One Tricks?! I have a mighty neeeed