Do Bayliner Boats Suck? The unbiased TRUTH!

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[@f18lumpy]

I've owned a 2005 Bayliner 195 Classic since 2006. It's my first boat and has been very reliable in the 16 years I've owned it. All in, it was an affordable way for my family to get on the water and it sips gas (3.0L). I couldn't be more pleased with the purchase and experience. Oh and I own 2 Mercedes and 2 Audis....but ZERO Kias. 🙂 For something that gets limited use in comparison to a automobile, cost, safety and reliability are more important to my view. Snicker all you want at me....the Bayliner has ticked all three boxes and left me laughing all the way to the bank.

[@johnriise9506]

Yes ! My wife and I bought our 1986 Bayliner 19' Capri with a 125 Force We love our Boat. We have always kept it inside, and covered. We are 77 years young, We have a lot of wonderful times in our Bayliner. Our Bayliner will not be sold, it will stay in our family. !

[@travistozier5907]

So awesome! I kept my father's boat when he passed now his grandsons go fishing in it almost every weekend. Family boats are so great. Its about the memories

[@maxipower6932]

I just bought same 1986 Capri with a Volvo penta inboard/outboard boat. The 4 cylinder motor fired right up. Am excited to put in the water after this July 4th, 2021. Your comment brought a big smile! Thank you!!

[@johnriise9506]

@@maxipower6932 Be sure to keep the insides of you Bayliner dry ! Keep it covered or in side when not in use. The under floor wood it not sealed and will rot, We love our Bayline and had many years of good use.

[@maxipower6932]

@@johnriise9506 Will do Sir. Thank you!

[@williambeltran1971]

I just got 86 capice

[@July4ist]

I own a 2004 Bayliner 185 and have had it for five years. I have not had any issues with it and it has been a great boat. Just did the annual service and had a diagnostic completed and was advised there were no issues. No regrets with owning this boat!

[@eugenelaky1993]

The motors not the issue.its the boat.but I like the Bayliner trophy coming from a Grady White owner

[@charlie21gunner87]

Just ran my 1991 Bayliner 1850 I/O today. Bought it 12 years ago for 5k, well taken care of and the interior is immaculate. She runs great, loads of fun!

[@mefirst4266]

IT IS STILL JUNK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@geramiecg]

Picked up my brand new 2021 Bayliner T22 CC Trophy in October of 2020. Taken her out numerous times and have no complaints! She has put me on a lot of fish and lobster in Southern California and has never let me down!

[@Dld1985]

I’ve owned several and now have a Searay. No doubt the Searay quality of materials and fit and finish are much better but price wise is it worth the difference. I took my Bayliner off shore and never had any structural issues. They didn’t come with all the options my Searay did but for my budget at the time I got a lot of fun per dollar spent.

[@nelsonfernandez7473]

I bought a small Bayliner when I was a 19 year young man, i use to go to Elliott key every other day from Sundays on the bay in miami, and 34 year's later 90 percent of my stories have to do with things I use to do on that boat ,I barely speak about things I do now on my bigger more expensive boats I've owned, best memories, most fun , i had more fun then than now, it shaped me to be a good captain today, thank you my Bayliner friend

[@jrrains]

I've noticed some boaters with nicer boats look down on the guy getting it done with a smaller or cheaper boat. But like you said some of your best times were on your first (cheaper) boat people need to remember this when judging someone.

[@SaltyC305]

2019 Bayliner Element F16. Great starter boat so far. I’ve taken it a few miles off shore. It gets it done on a budget. $50 bucks in gas can get me 2 weekends on the water.

[@johnnriise6136]

We have a 1987 Bayliner 20 ' Cuddy cabin with a 125 Force out board. (bought in Reno Nevada).. We have alway kept our boat inside, and covered, I have replaced all the switches (didn't live) I have replaced the water pump once, We have run our Bayliner in the ocean and mostly in fresh water. No troubles or real problems. I have completed all Maintenance my self. We are now in our 80's and love our Bayliner, and it will stay in our Family.

[@dougdavid9321]

If it wasn't for bayliner I would never have gotten I to boating. Purchased my first used bayliner in 1980 and had 4 others after that. Never had any issues.

[@TheWilliams41]

Tell him again I love mines

[@madsbuhris]

I had 10 years ago a 32 feet Bayliner motoryacht with twin Hino diesels. This might have been the best boat i ever had. Very robust and well equipped.

[@TheDoug9901]

West coast loves Bayrays, Sunbird is a bayliner and hardly no glassing over stringers I put 12 gallons of resin below the floor and she's golden

[@madsbuhris]

@@TheDoug9901 i thought Sunbird was inferior in quality compared to Bayliner.

[@deathguppie]

Those Hino engines are dead as soon as they have any issues. They don't make parts for them anymore.

[@Jam818]

I bought my Bayliner 185 in 2007 and I have never had an issue with it. Other than replacing a battery or an oil change. It runs great and was worth every penny paid.

[@samuelbermudez2971]

The engine and battery isnt made my bayliner

[@Jam818]

@@samuelbermudez2971 you missed what I said. I've never had an issue with the boat. Other than maintenance, I've done nothing to repair any part of the boat. It's 15 years old. No issues ever.

[@仲叔叔钓鱼分享记]

hi, i'm a owner of bayliner 185, i'm not sure she can do offshore. i like my boat, Do you do offshore when the weather is not that good?

[@Jam818]

@@仲叔叔钓鱼分享记 I don't live near an ocean but I wouldn't take an 185 out in it.

[@MegaSling]

I've been boating for 50 years now. I've had Bayliner, Renken, Ocean Pro and Proline and now I'm back into one of the new 22' Trophy's. I've never had issues with any of these boats. All the issues that have cost me real money has been that thing hanging off the back of the boat. That engine costs $17,000 or $30,000 if your looking in the 21 to 23 foot range of boats. Keep up that oil in the engine and lower unit and keep it on a trailer, not in the water and you'll have fewer problems. Boats don't ruin boating, engines do 99 percent of the time. Finally, the worse thing for the actual boat is leaving it out in the open. Sun ruins fiberglass, decks and cushions. Not rain, not snow, not cold or even heat. Keep a boat on a trailer and under some form of enclosure where it keeps the sun off and you'll extent the life of the boat for years.

[@maggieandjim1934]

all the other brands you mentioned are bottom feeders just like bayliner

[@TheSorento1]

@megasling, how do you like your new 22' trophy? Am looking at picking one up for myself. How do you find it handles big water? I can't find much opinions on them from people that actually own one ...

[@MegaSling]

@@TheSorento1 Loving it. I've put 100 hrs on it so far and she runs great. I've taken it to Bimini a couple of times without issue. She handles the rough stuff as well as you can expect from a 22 footer. 1 to 2 footers you can keep her on plan and moving right along. Anything more than that and you'll need to slow it down.

[@MrBe787]

I bought a 2006 Bayliner 195 in 2021 for my first boat. The material quality isn’t the best, but it seems to be a solid boat. I’m in my second season. Good starter boat and I don’t get to worried about it. Boat is good for what I need it to do, beer drinking on sandbars in NJ bays 🤷‍♂️

[@user-vv2wd9vm4l]

Owned multiple Bayliners and they are all outstanding.

[@erics9754]

I know mine has been also. People like this guy really piss me off the arrogance and ignorance are one thing but to diss a product by claiming it is poorly made even though that could not be further from the truth. Bayliner boats are sold in high volume made in Mexico and the savings are passed on to the buyer my boat has the same gauges used in Sea Rays same motor and lower even the same hardware and seat material. He has the same attitude Harley buyers have their bike is the best everything else is crap and most people know that is crap. Boating is an expensive hobby and the people who research and know boats are also smart enough to save money knowing they are not giving up anything over the other brands. People will pay a premium to have that brand name i say let them it's not my money I am wasting. Maybe this guy serves a purpose in keeping people ignorant and keeping the secret of how good Bayliner is. I used to believe the myth that Bayliner was no good until we bought our girl in 2008 brand new this boat has had zero issues let me repeat zero strange for a low-quality boat as he claims lmao.

[@Blitzkrieg.u812]

​@@erics9754 you couldn't be any further from the truth...

[@anthonymennella7169]

Bayliner has been very good to me with any issues we have had with our 2016 190 db . I agree 100 % with the quality of some of the hardware . If you are a recreational boater , than the Bayliner is fine . We upgraded from the 115hp mercury to the 150hp and the boat hits near 50 mph on clam water . Cant beat it for the money .

[@fredfields7281]

Most people who bash Bayliner have never owned one. I had a 2005 Bayliner 275 cruiser. Built in generator, a/c, galley, the works. Owned it for 10 years with not a single issue. We used it two weekends a month and put well over 1000 hours on it. Very good build quality and a great ride. They all use the same motors wether its bayliner, sea ray, chaparral or who ever. Mercruiser or volvo penta. So a 250,000 sea ray wont run any better than an 80,000 bayliner. I loved that boat.

[@jettlobaton518]

Thanks Fred! I’m looking into getting a 2022 Bayliner DX 2250 and I’m glad a lot of people here are standing up for Bayliners and it’s quality. Thanks again for your experienced opinion.

[@bertram46]

I'm not talking about the power of a boat when I discussed the quality of a boat. And if that's all you've been on and know then again you don't have anything to compare it to or if you're on a little Inland lake or a river that's very different than being out on one of the great lakes or in the ocean or even the intercoastal for that matter. I can take my hand and I've done this on a rail on a Bayliner and move it back and forth an inch and a half to 2 in each way because it's so weak. it's like somebody who drives a Kia and says it's just as good as a Porsche as they both get you to and from but that's where it ends

[@bertram46]

@@jettlobaton518 well way back in the day I used to be a sales manager at a car dealership and one of our best lines was jokingly of course" there's an ass for every seat and this one is for you" of course I say that tongue in cheek. Right now I don't own a boat because I have other things going on and my resources are devoted to that I could have a low quality vote and go out into the Gulf in Naples. However I would rather not have a boat and see all of the quality flaws and be miserable as opposed to waiting and getting what I know for sure is quality. Again jump on a Bertram a Cobalt a tiara or a Boston Whaler and then jump on a Bayliner then you'll know just what I'm talking about

[@billmcpheeters1888]

I have been a boater for over 42 years and currently have my 11th boat - all of them used. 3 of them were I/O's and the rest outboard. One of the I/O's was a 1999 Bayliner 1954 with a 3.0L Mercruiser which I found to be very comfortable, excellent handling, smooth riding and well worth what I paid for it. I find everything you said in your video to be accurate. The flooring on my Bayliner was not as thick as it should be and the interior components (carpet, vinyl, etc...) were cheap quality. But the previous owner kept in good condition - and I am meticulous - so it was a fine boat. A Bayliner is fine as long as it is well kept and maintained - as with any boat.

[@travelinman482]

What type of “family boat” would you recommend for a beginner boater?

[@MrNegative57]

That 3.0L (181ci) engine is one nearly bulletproof engine. Industrial generator engine. I remember skiing behind an Arista Craft w/120 HP just fine. Pulled 2 slalom skiers up no problem. For a lighter boat it's a great engine.

[@ronaldlowe6471]

I bought new in 1996, a 2050 SS Anniversary Edition with a 5.7. Defiantly not under powered and very reliable. Even though its 27 year old boat, It still a good looking boat even today. I've maintained it very well, and I think that's the key to owning ANY boat, maintaining and taking care of it. Even expensive boats will soon be run down, if not well maintained. I consider boat covers as sacrificial, I will buy a new cover every 2 or 3 years. I added a wake tower to it several years ago and will replace the carpeting this year, I think its still a cool looking and stylish boat even when compared to a comparable boat of today's standards. My kids have grown up having great times on this boat, and now my grand kids are having fun and making memories on it. The times we've spent on this boat have been priceless! I don't ever plan on selling it. It think it will probably stay in the family. I've never had issues with the boat and it's been very reliable, I would buy it all over again, it's been a great boat!!!

[@Mesamaverick1]

I've had numerous Bayliners in my 61 years and I've never had a major issue with any of them. My last Bayliner was a 1985 16 ft Trophy bass boat with an 85 hp Force. I owned it for 7 years and the only issues other than normal maintenance was a fuel pump diaphragm and one plug stripped out so I installed a helicoil. I landed many a fish from that boat over the years and it always treated me well. Sold it for $700.00 more than I paid 7 years earlier. I currently own a 1995 Spectrum with a Merc Force engine and I'm very happy with it. Very reliable. I'd have no regrets owning another Bayliner or Force.

[@joemorrow7691]

Bret,,,I never had a problem with my 1979 25 foot bayliner flybridge Love it and my kids love it,,👍👍

[@walttrotter535]

I once replaced steering cable on a Trophy with an outboard. What a headache.

[@cheap_pilot]

Bought my 1998 Bayliner Capri new. Mercruiser 135, Escort trailer, total $11,000. Mostly stored inside garage. Used on Lake Superior for 20 years. Currently covered on lift in my Florida back yard. DIY oil changes, lower unit lube, installed new prop in 2020. Yes, it’s a cheap boat. But 23 years of boating with maybe $1000 in DIY maintenance total. A good value for a casual family boater.

[@ChrisG9978]

I picked up a used Bayliner Bowrider (2008) and it's been fantastic. I was fortunate that the previous owners took good care of the boat and always trailered it, so the boat never sat in the water for long periods of time. Other than the routine maintenance items (plugs, cap & rotor, oil/fluids, impeller, etc.), it's been very reliable with no issues. The Mercruiser 3.0L Alpha One engine provides plenty of power and has been great for all-purpose use. I've added a few bells & whistles to it and bet it will sell for about what I paid for it in a few years. With boats, maintenance and care is the key...they'll last and retain value if you take care of them.

[@ATLOffroad]

I loved my 2009 Bayliner 185 bowrider. I bought it at a boat show in February of 2010. The listed price was $29k with a boat show price of $24k. Since this was at the height of the recession I walked away paying just $17,900 cash. I owned it for 5 years. It was great on the lake. I was meticulous about maintenance and never had any issues. In 2015 I sold it for $15k. Now I have a Chaparral. My boat now is a nicer boat but I did love my value Bayliner.

[@gm1937]

Well, I put it to you like this. I went shopping for a boat in 2009 and looked at a brand new Bayliner. I nearly bought it. Then I looked at a sea ray, which is made by the same company. I never looked back. A Bayliner will save you lots of money potentially but there’s no comparison in quality and craftsmanship to a Sea ray. You get what you pay for.

[@howboutdemnoles]

So you owned both and have experience with the build difference? What was the build difference?

[@dwayneroberts6616]

I just bought a 1998 Bayliner Trophy 1903 CC. I tried to stay away from Bayliner I really did. I looked at Regals, Four winds, Sea Ray's, key West ect ect. I looked at newer boats and in the end I couldn't find anything as nice as this older Bayliner. I have looked at the stringers and bilge area of this boat and I expected to see everything I heard about. I found the stringers to be well fiberglassed and solid. The only wood I found under the deck is the brace for deck to the hull and a piece of wood about two inches lower than the deck. It's under the seat panel. If water ever gets that high the boat is underwater. The wood is dry and solid on mine. I'm going to climb down into the CC access hatch and cover the braces with something to seal them just for piece of mind. The hull on this thing is flawless except for a small chip on the bow. Someone else gel coated this thing because it's got a nice gel coat and the hull is thick and solid. I got it from a guy that was in the process of messing the boat up with stupid shit like screwing metal L brackets into the floor with no sealant and any screws he could find. Instead of buying the original $49.00 cooler mounts he mounted a stupid regular cooler with the brackets. He used whatever screws he could find to screw down the hand rails if one was missing. I've been restoring it all plugging screw holes replacing screws with sealant. This thing was loved by someone then sold to a hack thank god he didn't own it long because it's going to be treated right and loved.😊

[@jackreacher5667]

Never personally owned a Bayliner but know people who have and they will swear by them. Every boat is built to suit a budget, unless it's new ,look for well kept/maintained and keep that in mind when buying and always use the advice of an experienced marine engineer. I suspect the main problem is its reputation, give a dog a bad name and so on which is the hardest thing when it comes to resale.

[@jorgmuller9954]

Hi Captain Math - I am writing from Germany. Tks for your videos. Also in Germany the Bayliner boats are well sold. And they are easily beeing found in the I-net as used ones. I just bought a Bayliner 2052 Capri from 1993. So a 30 years old oldtimer. The condition is still excellent - the pre-owner mantained it very very well. Engine is a 3 Ltr. with compression 9,8 / 9,9/ 10,0 / 10,0. Not bad for this age.The boat was used in saltwater only for 3 weeks in Adriatic see (Croatia). After owning a 23 ft Searay 10 years ago, I was looking for an affordable used boat with a windshield wich can be opened in the middle to enter the front for handling the lines while docking. You can feel the thickness of the hull is less strong than on a Bayliner compared with the Sea Ray - but for me this is not so important. I can easily trailer it behind my RV. (allowed on my car is max. 2000kg with trailer), handling in the water is excellent, power of the enginge is absolutely OK for me. For more performance I use High Five propeller. So - I can recommend this brand for beginners (ore retired persons like me). It depends on your budget - you are absolutely right. Take car - Jörg from Bavaria

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

Bayliner doesn't deserve a bad rap, they really stepped up their game later on. Don't buy a 20 year old boat if you don't know where and what to look for.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon This is what I appreciate about your channel, the helpful advice with comprehensive explanation. Good job, and big thumbs-up! ;)

[@juanacuna8483]

I have a 18’ Bowrider Bayliner for more than 20 years and I did total rebuild it. Remove the Forcé engine and replaced whit a four cycles Honda, Did the upholstered, install the hydraulic system, GPS, autopilot, Bluetooth stereo system and I just love it and had enjoyed for many years. Great small boat!

[@hdecoster]

I own a 2017 VR6 that I bought new in the beginning of 17' with a 250 I/O Merc from the Detroit boat show. I grew up boating with my dad and wanted my kids to enjoy what my father introduced me too. I'm a regular middle class joe smoe Firefighter/ medic. I have not had 1 issue during the 4 years I've owned it and I recommend it to people if they want to start to get into boating. I get a lot of compliments from people when they see my boat. Bayliner did have a bad wrap years ago which I don't disagree with, but I can vouch that they have stepped their game up.

[@hdecoster]

I'd be happy to talk about the boat and share pics if anyone would like to see.

[@robmickovic8343]

I bought a 3 year old 185 in 2015. For $15,000, 30 hours on engine. I know “like new” gets used a lot, but it was. A Michigan fresh water boat. Anyway, no issues, when my Bayliner graphics began to wear, I removed them with the intention of replacing them. Once o removed them, compound, polish and wax away the “Bayliner” shadows in the red gelcoat, I really like the”naked” appearance. I’m that guy that has a total of 4 different boats, ranging from my 185 thru a SeaRay 300 and each every one looks great for their age. I get asked all the time on water about the Bayliner “hey what kind of boat is that?” When I say a Bayliner, they are in amazement. I have looked at similar size, age model boats of other brands, and frankly this boat will compete with each builder...all these boats in this size range are entry level regardless of who makes it. The vinyl and stitching is equal in quality than same year Sea Ray runabouts. Same stable coming from Brunswick, but obviously very different level boats.

[@valkyrie6926]

I have a 1996 Bayliner Capri 1600 LS with a 1995 Mariner 75 hp motor on it and is sitting on an escort trailer, I bought it all brand new, have had very little problems with it, it stays covered and under a carport when not in use, It’s still a good boat and running strong!

[@MrRowdy1954]

We bought a 2016 Bayliner F-18 new. We upgraded the motor to a Mercury 115. It was purchased mostly for fishing. We do a lot of inshore fishing along the North and South Carolina coasts. We added the swim platform for the kids for when we pull the towables. We have never had a moment’s trouble out of the motor. Serviced annually. We have found that Bayliner used some hardware that rusted after the first year. The seat they mounted on the front rusted badly and we had to replace it. Not too expensive. We love the center console. There is plenty of room for 3 fishermen to walk around. We also added the T-top which is great. Overall, after 5 years we still love this boat.

[@genebeley]

We owned a 28.5’ Bayliner Contessa Flybridge for the California Delta. It was the most enjoyable boat I owned out of 7 boats in my life. It was like the little tugboat that wanted to be a speedboat. I could have up to 10 passengers and it would quickly get up on plane and go up to 30 miles per hour. The interior was perfectly designed. It had a couch on the left side that made into a queen size bed. On the right side it had another couch that made into bunk beds that was good to throw our gear and a bed for our granddaughter. The V berth’s king size bed was the perfect, very comfortable bed for even a live aboard. We did add a microwave to perfect the galley. I acquired this boat when I took it as a trade-in on our 38’Hatteras tri-cabin that I really never enjoyed because It was just too big and too costly to maintain. Wish I had found the Bayliner when I first moved to the California Delta. The only negative was, since the Bayliner was only 6,000 lbs, it was not good in really rough water like when we went east past Pittsburg towards San Francisco. I learned weight matters!

[@creedyfbaby]

Well going east to get to San Francisco from Pittsburgh instead of using the Panama Canal yea you would have to run into some rough water traveling around the world.

[@jedz2941]

The first boat I ever purchased was a 10-year-old Bayliner Cierra Sunbridge 2150 with a twin axle trailer for $7,500 back in the late 90’s. Over the ensuing 20 years I ended up replacing the engine (swapped a 5.7 for the original 5.0), three outdrives (2 OMC Cobras and an SEI Alpha 1), 1 alternator, 1 starter, 1 distributor, 2 coils, 2 canvas tops and most of the electronics. If I averaged out all of the repair bills plus normal expenses (slip fees, winterization fees, storage fees, etc.) the boat cost me approx. $3,500/year. Considering that I only got towed in once over those 20 years and about $2,000/year of those annual expenses would have accrued even if the boat was a Cobalt or SeaRay, and in view of the amount of fun I enjoyed out on the water with my family and friends, I’d have to say that Bayliner delivered an exceptionally thrifty owner experience and was incredibly reliable in the process. I finally sold it last summer for $5,500 including the trailer since I bought a substantially bigger SeaRay. Bottom line, I agree with the good Captain in recommending a Bayliner for your first boat purchase as long as it has been reasonably well maintained.

[@pookatim]

I bought a Bayliner new in 1999. It was the model 1952 cuddy cabin. It was excellent. I sold it after 8 years to a friend of mine who loved it and just sold it last year. Yes a lot of people say all bad things about Bayliner but here is what I have to say. The running gear is the same as pretty much every other boat in the class. Mine had the 4.0 Mercruiser with an Alpha drive. Never a problem. The only issue was with the fuel filling tube for the gas tank that would spit back if you tried to fill it too fast. The problem was that the hose on the fuel fill was a little too long and it drooped a bit which caused the gasoline to back up as you filled it. It only happened if you filled it too quickly but the actual fix was to just shorten the hose a few inches. I was in Seattle years ago and went to the Port. The place was loaded with Bayliners. I served in the Coast Guard Auxiliary and my boat was an official facility and we used it to patrol. We had 8 vessels in our Flotilla and 6 of them were Bayliners of various sizes. This was in New Jersey. Our patrol area was the New York Harbor approach and my boat participated on 9/11.

[@ronm7781]

As a 17' Capri as a kid (1980s) - all we could afford. Trailered it back and forth to the NJ shore and it was solid. Bought new, dad was super handy and maintained it himself. Very minimal issues and nothing that was not relatively simple to fix. I personally grounded it 3x in the back bays of NJ - good times.

[@777jones]

In Minnesota we have plenty of rocks to devastate our boats, but at least there is no salt.

[@shananagans5]

Boy the 80s sure was a great time to grow up. We had a sailboat (Catalina 25) in a lake in New Mexico. lol Yea, sailing in the middle of the desert. It was either 100+ degrees and zero wind or it was blowing 50mph creating a very short, steep chop. We saw many a jet boat sink in that chop but it was a great weekend outing to get away from the parental units for a while. I lived on that boat for most of one summer in 84 or 85. lol It made my first apartment seem down right spacious. Good times, great memories.

[@papapickles5820]

My papa has an old Capri - started every time - wasn't a super nice boat but it did the job every time!

[@davidshettel8330]

I owned 2 bayliners. 1 25 ft trophy and 1 19 ft Capri. Both needed work and both ran well. Didn't spend a bunch of $ on them and family enjoyed time on water!

[@americanrambler4972]

What you got was what Bayliner sold. Fun and value. A very good deal in my opinion.

[@markchapman4197]

I bought a 89 bayliner new and have never had a problem. Mine is a 200 horse power and would do 60 mph. 19 ft capri was the model. I still have it and it does everything I ask it to do.

[@jamesm8965]

We owned three bayliners when I was growing up. We (I) took great care of ours because we knew it was a luxury to have it. I’ll be buying my first boat in the next five years for my family, will probably be a bayliner for our first.

[@petecastellano7046]

I bought a 2004 242 classic cruiser brand new, the boat was nothing but great year in and year out until I sold it in 2018. Bayliner is exactly what you said mostly a entry level boat. No regrets what so ever.

[@Nygar1]

I've been a boater for 40 years I owned Sea Ray, Silverline, Campion, Glaspar, Starcraft, and recently purchase a Bayliner my take on Bayliner is you are right they are a very inexpensive Boat but if you dont beat on them they are fine the Quality has gotten better after 2000 but if you take care of it don't abuse them they hold up fine I have no issues with them. If you play rough then my suggestion find a top level brand but for the average person who takes care of there stuff Bayliner will be fine.

[@matthewtomlinson3424]

I have a 99 Capri 2050 LS with the mercruiser equipped with the Chevy 305 and I love the hell out it. It planes up quickly, handles rough water well, and is very good on fuel. Absolutely no complaints

[@TheSkyOpenwide]

Bayline has been the best most solid boats ive owned. Ive had two now and absolutely love them.

[@bigdog2145]

I had a 1989 2455 cierra sunbridge ( cabin cruiser) for 15 years. I spent a total of 725 nights on the boat and only got stranded 1 time. The old ignition went out on it and I put a electronic ignition on it and never had any more problems. It was 10 years old when I bought it. I was well pleased and really enjoyed it. It stayed in the lake 6 months a year. That same boat now is a 2655.

[@edwarde639]

I had two bayliners a 1996 CC 18’ Trophy walk around cabin and the boat was solid and well built, and yes I did have issues with the Force engine, however we had a great time fishing and cruising from Miami to Bimini. I also had a 160 BR just for Biscayne bay fun and fishing and after 8 years sold it with “0” issues. The latter one came with a 60 hp mercury engine. No issues! Looking now at the Boston Whaler 28’or 32’ Conquest, just considering it

[@richardwells9738]

I brought a 1996 Bayliner Capri 4.3 V6 carburetor 200 hp.What a fun boat and fast.Sold that for a Trophy walk-around cuddy out board.Kept that one from 1997 until 2010.Never had any problems with either one.Lots of great memories.The problems that I had was the truck I chose to tow them with.lol D R 5.9

[@aquaforceservices7086]

I have had 2 Bayliner Trophy boats good riding boats never had any issues with the Hull repowered one from envinrude to Suzuki the other had mercury 225

[@richardratliff7372]

My husband and I purchased a new VR4 during COVID. It is garage kept. We use it every weekend and clean it from bow to stern every time we take it out. We have not had one second of issues with the boat. It looks brand new and we love the boat. We realize it isn't as high quality as a Chaparral...but for our first boat, it has not failed us and operates fantastic. Once we retire, we will get that chaparral. I'm guessing we will get decedent money on the resale. If you take care of your boat, it will last.

[@jackshittle]

It's funny that as a kid in middle school I'd see Bayliner boats parked indoors at the Ocean County Mall (NJ) for people to look at (and hopefully buy). But even at my age, I got the sense that these boats were the Huffy of boats. I didn't know jack about boats but they just gave me that feeling. I also noticed that every boat I see has engines like Evinrude, Mercury, Yamaha etc. But all of a sudden there was some new brand stupidly named "Force". It reminded me of all the kids in school having Nike's & Adidas then the one kid that had MacGregor (K-mart's brand). Either way, I just thought it was strange that back in the 80's I had a gut feeling that these boats & Force engines were crap. Two years later I bought a brand new Boston Whaler (only 13 foot w/ 40hp Evinrude). It was great for tooling around in the Manasquan River. When the wind was right, I'd even take it out of the inlet and out to the mile marker. Had lots of great times & caught many a fluke & flounder with it.

[@cynicalrabbit915]

Decades ago I worked the fuel dock at a small lake. Boat owners: Don't service the engine (Esp. Outboards at end of season) Remove battery (At end of season) Didn't really know how to operate a boat properly i.e. careless and drank alot of beer then would go out. This guy bought an older used boat maybe early to mid 60s. Ran over something and cracked the lower gearcase within two hours. Back when Brunswick was buying companies like Bayliner and Harley. They tried going cheap on things. They almost ruined Harley. Back in the 70s Bayliner was very popular.

[@jackdamico7511]

My first boat at age twenty three was a 1978 Bayliner Buccaneer sail boat. My friends and I sailed it all over the Long Island Sound and the Rhode Island coast line. We had some great times

[@fishheds]

I had a 91 185 Capri and loved it. The old 4 cyl mercruiser ran great and for a 32 year old boat I was plenty happy with it.

[@stevefunk3823]

I owned a 1986 34ft bayliner trophy sportfish. It had dual 454s. I bought the boat in 97 and keep it until 03. Over all it was a good boat for us. Some cheaper hardware then a Silverton but I think it looked better and ran better in the ocean then other gas boats in that style. It looked just like the 34 searay and I was always told they where made at the same place.. overall good boat

[@stephenbonin3049]

Try going in a Bayliner 2556,guaranteed to put a smile on your face,one of the Best little fly bridge cruisers ever built.

[@Fljeff7]

I got my first boat in my early 20's non running with a ok trailer. Ran it for a few seasons the went up to a larger boat. Years and a few boats later. I've realized being able to trailer the boat home is the vest way to keep the Maintenance up

[@saltysenator6820]

I have a 94 2302 trophy I bought a few years ago as my first boat. I grew up fishing from a john boat and I didn't want to purchase a big expensive boat as I was learning my ways around the water. So far it has been a really good boat. I take it out a few times a month in the gulf of mexico and make 20-40 mile runs out. We have 4 boats in the family anywhere from 16 ft john boats to 29ft center console. We've caught the most fish and had the best of times on the bayliner. I'm mechanically inclined so I have had to do some maintenance and replace some pumps. But I don't have a burden over my head every month with a payment. It's done everything I've asked for and more. I've been caught in storms with 5-6ft waves with water coming over the bow and it handled everything well enough to get me home. I believe some years they used greenwood xl which I have heard that is made of cedar. Do you know if that is true?

[@michaelcangley1868]

I wanted a "Sleeper". It took some doing but I finally purchased a brand new 2002 Bayliner 215 BZ without a motor or drive. I pretty much tore the entire back half of the boat apart to retro-fit it to except a modified Chevrolet 383 Stroker (585 HP) and a Mercury Surface Piercing Drive. I was amazed to see that the entire lower half of the haul (to the rub rail) was reinforced with rolling woven glass. I loved this boat for eight years until selling it to a friend that continues to love it to this day

[@hackfabrication139]

I bought a new F18 a couple years ago. Spec'd it all out with all the options: 115 ProXs, hydraulic steering, etc. Been a good boat. My only issue is having the time to 'tweak' the top speed with outboard height and prop selection. I'm running high 30's mph, should be low 40's.

[@mikelyda2292]

I’ve owned multiple bay liners over the years . All were I/o and I’ve never been stranded on the water or had any major issues. Not to mention with 3 kids into water sports we could spend a whole weekend on the lake and still have fuel in the tank when we leave. We don’t really care what boat snobs say about a bay liner! Lol

[@Mike-ly7ev]

I have a 1989 Capri bayliner. 21 feet and in pretty good shape. Great entry level boat and creating lots of fun memories on the water. Bought it for 4K. I have it serviced every year and it’s running great.

[@rongreen8485]

I've owned 2 Bayliners 22 open bow and a 22 Cierra Express, both Merc I/O powered. Great boats for the price, ran them all over Puget Sound and the San Juan Islands. I Did my own maintenance and never had problems. Never once did anyone ever make a condescending remarks about my boats. Most boaters look out for each other and enjoy being on the water. Boating to me is one of the best family recreational bargains out there.

[@jnorriect]

There's a reason for that. Bayliner originally was built for Pacific (specifically Pacific northwest) conditions. A lot of the issues that Bayliner is derided on are from the few years after they moved their manufacturing to Florida. Much different boating environment in FL compared to PNW, including but not limited to: a 12 month boating season in FL, much higher average Temps and humidity, and overall oceanic differences between tropical and temperate which has drastic effects on fiberglass schedule, parts, etc. It took them a few years to really work out the kinks, but they finally got it in the early-mid 90's. The result is a boat that now can last anywhere in the world. The boat manufacturing industry has learned to design their products around a Florida market, because if it can last there it can last anywhere else.

[@baruk7994]

Having or buying a Bayliner is having lots of risks associated with it. I agree with your statement of preference of "buying a new KIA vs buying a used Ford Explorer, i will personally take the Explorer". If you happen to have a Bayliner which is really manufactured cheap, you have to take real good care and pay attention on how you maintain the boat in order to keep it sea worthy, efficient and use-able when you need it. Take a real good care of your Bayliner boat more than you care and treat for your wife...if you don't then you will be facing some serious trouble/disaster. It requires so much TLC and time (less money). Thank you for the video, very educational and full of great information about boating in general.

[@virza777]

Captain mat. I bought a 2020 22 cc trophy. I am so happy with this boat I never had a problem since I got it. My personal opinion so far I think it’s a great well done boat. Maybe because is new still. It came with mercury 150 hp Engine. Maybe for this boat it needs a 200hp engine from factory. This boat is not a cheap boat $50,000 I know this boat can get pricey when you go with another brand. He came with a aluminum trailer that was optional from dealership which cost me $4700 extra. I’m really happy with this boat.

[@virza777]

@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon yes. They first told it was $7,400. And then talking to the manager they dropped the price to $5,500 But I remember they saying that they didn’t have a 200 hp in stock. They were going to give me a 250hp I think that was and ok deal.

[@peterkaputsos4125]

I had a 95 2252 Cierra. No issues and did great for me. V8 Merc IO. It was a good value and we had a lot of good times on it with no issues.

[@michaelp5518]

I had a 4285 Avanti, 1989 with 3208 Cats. Incredible boat, 2 staterooms, 2 heads, thick gel coat. Ahead of its time euro styling. Expansive yacht. The motor yachts are stellar.

[@chevy4x466]

My buddy bought a 5.3 liter in a 20 bow rider, it was an awsome boat. It took a beating on the Detroit river like a champ. It was a great boat. He had it for ten years. I wish I would have bought it from him.

[@Hitech82]

I have a 1996 Cierra 2355. I live on the Bay and use it daily. No issues with proper maintenance

[@AlexGarcia-ew2fv]

Ive riden n owned countless Bayliner thruout my 30yrs in the Boating World..Honestly there just as good as any other boat brand...i have a Buddy that does the Miami to Bimini Run 4 times each summer in a 26foot Trophy center console with 2 Mercs 200hp..Never had any problems...

[@seaassault0956]

I owned a Trophy 2002WA. The previous owner had re-powered with a Honda BF130 4 stroke. This is an excellent motor but significantly heavier then the stock outboard. This caused the boat to be stern heavy and left the scuppers under water. The boat itself was in good condition. No major structural issues, just wear and tear. The boats ride was comfortable and stable. As you said in the video they had cut corners to keep costs down. An example was the only access to the bilge, bilge pump, live well pump, and bait tank pump was through an 8” access port. Making servicing these extremely difficult. There were other “cuts”, but too much for this type of comment.

[@alexanagnos7436]

We have a Ciera 3055 Its not a bad boat Use it a lot out in Cali here on the coast It has two new 350 mercs in it. Way better than the 305s for sure The boat has to be maintained. Def the key ! Looking to move up to a 45'-50' next. Great info here in this video 👍

[@russduchene]

I bought a 1996 Bayliner Capri 17 years ago for $5,000. I had NO major issues with it over that time. I just sold it for $5,000!

[@987CAYMAN07]

I owned a Bayliner Cierra 2655 (2001) with 5.7 Mercruiser MAG MPI with Bravo3. Great boat. I took it to Catalina Island all the time and stored it in salt water. Just do the maintence and its makes the same memories as a Sea Ray.

[@americanrambler4972]

Bayliner has some real gems in their mix. From time to time, they put together very good boats which were far better in performance, value, durability than they were given credit for. They held up as well if not superior to their competing high reputation brands. For example. The V8 powered Capri models of the 80s and 90s. What a lot of people did not know was they had a different fiberglass and support structure that gave them stronger tougher hulls to carry the power and weight of the bigger motors over the smaller motored boats. And they were fast! They did not sell very many of them because they cost a bit more and were kinda out of their market segment with those boats.

[@brinkee7674]

I bought one of them and it was better than another boat of that era which at the time was around 2000. I think it was an 86 or 86 with a small block v8 chevy OMC. It said the boat was 21 but the tape said 22'. I bought it for $2500 from a friend and it served us well. Very solid boat and if mid to high 30s mph is slow then so be it. The trailer alone was worth the money The only issue was you had to search for engine/outdrive parts but that was ok as they were reasonable. When I bought it I figured if I got 2 years out of it I was ahead of the game. I had to do a shift cable at the get go then some risers but that was about it for 5 years. The biggest downfall with the boat is that it spent quite a few years in salt water. It was a boat that didn't ring true, you do the the meaning of B.O.A.T. =Break Out Another Thousand. I didn't put that into it except for fuel. That boat was far better than my in laws Chaparral and Glastron. Whats funny is I was just looking and I saw one for sale and it looks like a gem. Has me thinking of a road trip

[@davidcunningham6856]

My attitude against Bayliner comes from being a fiberglass tech & boat builder. I have had to repair many hulls, inside & out & seen the difference in workmanship & quality up close. I can hardly believe some of the slack-ass work & lack of material used in Bayliner boats. One of my old bosses that I learned the most from told me something I live by to this day. "A boat is only as strong as it's weakest point." He would only laminate by hand, NEVER use chop. I was so proud of every vessel we made. 20' - 39', all seaworthy!

[@ThroughTheCamerasEye]

Curious, what did he use between each layer of fiberglass to limit delaminate and pattern printing through the Gelcoat?

[@oraivan1]

I HAVE A 1987 28 FOOT COMMAND BRIDGE BOAT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH My Bayliner ... JUST REPOWERED THE MOTOR TO A BRAND NEW 383 STROKER, RUNS LIKE NEW, LOTS OF ROOM

[@scottfortier4736]

Owned 3 Bayliner's all great, I now have a 2002 2855 super boat

[@garythiessen1880]

I purchased a new 1992 Trophy 2502 walk around and have been very satisfied with a few exceptions. Mercury Force motors failed after about 4 years

[@Clawson_customs]

I have a 22 foot bayliner and it's been a super good boat it's a 99 or a 2000 model i can't remember but i got it in 2002 and we take it out every weekend all summer long to lakes here and to lake Powell at least 5 times a year have party's in all the time but i have always kept it in a shop or a garage and get it washed and waxed every spring

[@fancyfurmobiledoggrooming4542]

I have a 1996 Bayliner Capri 18.5 with outboard 120 Force engine. I've owned it for about three years now. I paid $2,300 for it. I had to replace half the floor because of rot and some of the seats have rips but over all, it's been a pretty good reliable boat on the water. Yes, I've had to rebuild the carbs, replace the starter, and basic maintenance but the boat gives me much fun on the water. The boat always gets me back home. An outboard motor is easier to work on. It's pretty basic and I've learned a lot about my motor.

[@michaelpelletier5501]

Just bought an 89 Bayliner, 17', 85 Force outboard, $800. Definitely finding soft floor issues, cushion wood/stitching problems, having trouble with electrical and haven't been able to get the engine started yet but I'm having the previous owner come by this evening and seeing if there's something simple I'm missing. I knew we were getting into a bit of a project. Of course it's our first boat without a sail😂

[@blackyboi2885]

got a 1989 19 foot bayliner capri cuddy cabin with a 2.3L ford inboard engine and the cobra outdrive. its nothing but fun. bought it new in 89 and keep it garaged all the time when not in use. runs perfect. i did have the head and engine redone about 15 years ago so its about a 160hp now and instead of a 15 3/4" prop i can run 16, 17,19 and even 20". got to go slow on throttle with the 17 and up sizes cause the donut wont handle the massive torque if i pour on the coals fast. but i can bury that 16 and hit 30+ mph quick. i also put in fresh water cooling so the engine and intake never corrode. i also added drains to exhaust manifold and heat exchanger.. so no water especially salt ever stays in the exhaust manifold etc. and i can flush it clean big time..everytime. it looks like new, runs like new. keep any boat outside and its soon rusted corroded mess, takes less than few years for weather to maul a boat kept outside. paid $14,000 in july 1989 for it. similar boat new now cost north of $30,000

[@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon]

thanks for sharing your experience

[@Seektruth-59]

Depends on how you use it, banging through Haulover or a small lake leisure ride.

[@thomastirolflorida5363]

banged through Haulover before, without a boat

[@Seektruth-59]

@@thomastirolflorida5363 👍

[@robormiston2841]

If Bayliner was such a bad boat then I must be crazy for just buying another one today. 1979 Saratoga Command Bridge. Cool timeless styling, 350 Volvo Penta motor. Still a solid built boat built with pride back then.

[@gtags1]

My first boat in 1988 was a 19 ft Bayliner. 2 weeks in the Force 125hp wouldn’t start, we had to use a pull start to get it running. Fit and finish match the price you get what you pay for it. I sold it after 2 years and was so happy to get rid of it.

[@gtags1]

@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Nope stared buying Regals had 3 of them

[@paulbates3528]

I bought a 2 year old 1992 18' Capri from a friend. As you said, there were some quality and material drawbacks, but it was not underpowered with the Mercruiser 155 hp. 4.3L- v6. At w.o.t. I could reach 53 mph on a good day.

[@stevest1300]

Anything that's popular always has a bunch of hater trolls skulking around or snob knobbers who buy only at boutiques and live forever in debt. I bought a used 19 ft 1991 Capri with the 120 Merc/Alpha 1. Cost less than anything else it's size and condition, served my young family well, super simple and cheap to work on yourself and I sold it 6 years later for nearly what I paid for it. I'm looking for 2452 for my retirement for Canadian lake exploration. Snicker all you want at the gas dock. I'll be having fun.

[@billmegnin9288]

Wish I could post a pic. I have two. 1990 2252 capri with the 4.3. Love the boat. Yes they are under powered but that's not hard to over come. Had my 90 for 5 years now. Vinyl sucks. What you said is correct. Cheap materials that way. My second boat is 1988 2655 ciera widebody. With trailer it ran great needed cleaning and I only payed $800 for that. I do all my own work so issues aren't big to me as long as there drive and engine are good. In the 80s Brunswick made the hulls for searay and a few other manufacturers. So if you line a searay 265 up to my ceira 2655 they have very similar profiles. I have absolutely no complaints on my Bayliners and I grew on the waters of NY up being told not to buy one. Glastron was my family's preferred brand.

[@etterdc1641]

I had a 17 foot capri for years with the Force motor. It was a great boat and rode excellent. People badmouth Force motors but when asked specifically why there are never any real reasons. I have two Force motors now and they are both good runners and easy to work on. What specific complaints are there against Force motors? Also how much strutural integrity does a boat need? Will it fail during normal use? I slammed my Bayliner on 5 foot waves with no problems. Maybe if I crash into a rip rap shore at full speed the hole will be a foot larger in diameter than a high end boat with more build quality.

[@jonbutton3259]

Any boat sucks of you don't take care of it, and if you don't plan to take care of it, don't get one. 1998 Avanti 3255 owner. Previous owner had no clue. Fortunately, I do. She has turned into the perfect express cruiser for my family.

[@jerrydiver1]

My experience was in 1984 with a '84 19' Capris with dealer-rigged Volvo I/O. They did a horrible job installing the outdrive, so the cutout leaked, a cooling line petcock backed out and flooded the engine compartment with salt-water, and it all went to hell from there. I actually learned a lot from the experience, like never, EVER own an I/O in salt water, and never, EVER own a dealer-rigged I/O ANYWHERE, period.

[@miked596]

Coming from a 1987 trophy Bayliner 21' . Boat was very under powered when you had alot of people on board. But after owning one for 40+ year the rear transom and floor is solid. The boat is very well built.

[@waltertx.6020]

I was able to watch the premier this morning. Thanks btw! I bought a new Bayliner back when my family was young. It was over all a good experience, both in owning and the resale at that time. Best I remember it was a 19' with the inline 4 cylinder Mercury Alpha Drive. I think I've already purchased your boat buying Information.. I will check to make sure I did! Thanks again 👍👍

[@casey8836]

92 bayliner, had since 2019, steering is getting stiff and flooring is starting to soften around the dog house. Otherwise great boat for cruisin and tubin!

[@blaster-zy7xx]

All boat manufacturers are all powered by the same power plants. Bayliner is just an entry level boat that gives you a bang for the buck. They serve a purpose just like economy cars.

[@kennethpenny1461]

Hey guy, I think you gave a fair and truthful review of Bayliners. Having been on the water since I was 5 years old, now 65, I like you would never purchase one new, however if I was budget driven and found a properly maintained used one at a reasonable price point, then yes. I’ve owned several boats over the years from a 1949 Ramsey 12 ft plywood/fiberglass up to a 25’ Sportcraft. My favorite was a 22’ Pursuit- very well made, repowered several times over it’s life. But it’s like you said cheaper boat means cheaper materials and labor…. There’s no free rides

[@joe735]

Oh, ya dont like Bayliners? Cool, dont call me lookin to come out on the water when I take mine out.....LOL

[@jettlobaton518]

Agreed 100% Joe!

[@Luvethans]

10000%

[@probiethetank8825]

@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon no worries buddy, plenty of room aboard my Pro Line…

[@travelinman482]

@@BoatBuyersSecretWeapon Do you buy a boat to enjoy or to worry about resale value?

[@landonharris7822]

Same.

[@lcarlson7725]

I owned a Bayliner 185 in the early 2000's. Never had a bad day on the boat v6 power ran like a raped ape when I gave it full throttle. Had MANY great times on it from fishing to water-skiing to just riding around having a blast. I have nothing bad to say about it. People like acting "holier than thou"....screw them.

[@bogginyota]

1997 force 120 was a great and reliable engine. I bought a 16 year old boat. In 4 years I put almost 400 hours on the engine. The only issues I had were misfire due to a chipped reed petal, and a bad starter. That engine is extremely basic which means easy to understand and work on. And you can pull start it if you need to

[@ThroughTheCamerasEye]

By then the Force was simply a 2 stroke Mercury. Great motors if you keep the oil mixed right. Most first time boaters didn’t and that’s part of why they had a bad rep those years. The early Chrysler Force either died the first week of use, or ran forever. That didn’t help the Force name either.

[@carldea]

Capt. Matt, Well said and explained! I bought a new E16 60hp, 2-3 years ago. Dealer is very good however, they are a far drive into the city (w/ pot holes & construction). Hauling it for minor issues was a waste of time and money. So we have an authorized Mercury service place less than two miles near our home. Any other items under warranty we still have the local shop do the work. I don’t think it’s worth towing it to the dealership. I may ask about invoices for reimbursement🤷🏻‍♂️. We did get some dealer discounts. As a new boater, there wasn’t much on the internet especially KZbin about boating for newbies and what to look for. I found your channel after the purchase. & Bought it before the 16foot Tahoe ad. I actually love the boat, I take care of it by cleaning, waxing, engine, and winterization. Having said that, here is what I have learned: Before going into the pros/cons all boats seem nice when it’s great weather and calm water. Pros: 1. Sits 6 adults comfortably 2. Nice deck space and swim platform 3. OB Mercury 4 stroke is quiet 4. Bimini top and table option 5. Stable when anchored off 6. Cruising 7. Anchor locker 8. Trailer w/Swivel tongue 9. Easy to clean and tow. 10. Automatic & manual bilge pump. Cons: 1. Steering can pull if you let go of the wheel (common on manual) 2. A bit underpowered when you have more than 3 people. 3. M haul doesn’t do chop well, I have to maneuver. Also no trim tabs or steps, in the haul design. 4. No cool color options. 5. No gas gauge on the dash. 6. Place to put my phone or charging should be standard. 7. The foot area at the helm should be inset for you feet. One really good advice you said, is (paraphrased) about what/how will the boat handle the water way where you are likely to be. While I did test drive the 18foot version in calm waters at the dealership I misjudged and thought it the boat could handle some chop. For our creek no problem, but when we hit the part where the river meets the bay it’s slow moving. I would like to trade up and get a family friendly CC. Deeper v design. I want to able to handle moderate chop. What is a step up deck or CC you’d recommend? looking for 30-50k range.. I like the Robalo 18 or 20, both with a head compartment. Just a huge jump in price brand new.