Do I Have to Fruit in the Bag?Easy Alternative with All-in-One Grow Bag

[@DanielDynamics]

The pad is materially the same as a babies diaper and holds moisture via a water gel. You can also use those orbeez balls for gel blasters, or the ones used by florists which as also the same material.

[@jerseyjoe8637]

SUGGESTION: Next time just place the tub on top of the pad and with a pen/marker trace the bottom and then you'll get a better cut.

[@MM-sq5pf]

Mushrooms make you smarter too

[@radrocknroll1]

Hey, fellow CO guy here, so naturally I had to follow you, haha. Just getting into (very amateur) mycology in the last month or so still learning the ropes, and definitely looking forward to all your videos now.

[@chuckheppner4384]

Fungus gnats hide in the drains of sinks, bathtubs, and showers. Boiling hot water usually works to dissuade them.

[@Comyco]

Great tip! I agree.

[@chuckheppner4384]

Thank you@@Comyco 🙏🏻

[@scottburd6165]

This was super helpful! It was my understanding that you break it up and mix into a tub. I didn’t realize that you can just leave it all in tact after it’s fully colonized and set it inside a tub in this manner. Awesome! Thank for your great resources of information and support. 👍

[@Comyco]

You're welcome! I'm glad you found it helpful. Mush love Scott! Sorry I haven't replied to you in messenger (so many messages in there). We definitely should put together a hike or nature walk! I"m going to send you a message on fb now.

[@mattb6646]

Some say if you spread it out you can yield more, which makes sense to me but I've also heard others say surface area doesn't make it yield anymore. I suppose more surface area will yield all of the nutrients quicker rather than a big clump that will have more but smaller flushes

[@PrincessParanormal-s3n]

Thank you so much! I bought a grow bag and 20ml of spores and I will need more room to grow them.

[@jacksonnc8877]

Get Carnivorous Pitcher Plants for your grow space. I recently got the idea from Fresh From the Farm Fungi

[@MacCelium]

Carnivorous plants can certainly help, but Pitcher Plants target larger insects. You might want to check out Sundews or Butterworts for smaller things like gnats and fruit flies.

[@jacksonnc8877]

Thanks I will

[@GingeRenee]

@@MacCeliumthat’s exactly what i was going to say. sundews are great at smaller insects like fruit flys and gnats.

[@brookiejai]

Thank you so much for this! I just ordered a grow in the bag but I want to fruit a lot more than just the top of the bag so I don’t have to grow again for a while. I’ll definitely check out your shop too and give you a follow on fb. Thanks for this!!

[@StephenHutchison]

Incontinence pads are cotton or paper, with a hydrophobic layer to keep moisture away from the surfaces.

[@knownking9782]

Good stuff man! Keep puttin out what the people need

[@edwardgrand]

I do hate Perlite. I still have it in my shower and sink trap. LOL :)

[@chicofromph33nix64]

I HATE PERLITE WITH A PASSION..!! I got a piece in my eye once,so we have beef with each other. I use water beads now and I love em.

[@SocialDeviant_]

Can you give me some info on your water bead tek? I've been looking around cuz i had an idea to use them when my kids were playing around with orbeez guns ​ but i cannot find any info on incorporating?! @chicofromph33nix64

[@chicofromph33nix64]

@@SocialDeviant_ sure... I use em in my 68qt mono tubs and will hydrate them in a huge bowl filled with water. Then I use a strainer to get all that excess water out and fill the tub with about an inch of beads on the bottom and mist the sides and lid. I use cookie racks to keep my cakes/grow bags on so nothing touches the beads. My tubs stay humid and might need to mist every few days. But I live in Phoenix, so it's very dry over here.

[@edwardgrand]

@@SocialDeviant_ I don't have a water bead tek. I use incontinence pads saturated with water.

[@dcfromthev]

This is most helpful, I am a beginner getting ready to put 3 bags into an automated monotub fruiting chamber. Planning to try hoodie tek for the first flush just to get the experience, but eventually I'd like to explore other options and methods to see what works best! Thank you and keep these types of alternative videos coming!!!

[@Comyco]

Good luck!

[@andrespaz989]

I'm attempting my first ever grow now using all in one bag, I did a break and shake 3 days ago and now I can see white spots in the bag thats starting to recolonize the mix. Im hoping I didn't mess anything up. I'm leaning towards the same thing as you for my fist attempt, fruit in bag/hoodie tek. How did yours end up turning out?

[@cassiejo0012]

Thank you so much for the video this was exactly what I was looking for

[@Comyco]

Glad it was helpful!

[@PatYep-vb9jz]

Hang fly tape it's a bit messy but cut into 4 in strips hang where u can't bump into

[@johnny659]

Colorado here gonna try this

[@warrenfinch4091]

Thank you for this. My bags arrive tomorrow. Will inoculate with A.P.E. And try this tec

[@jordandontpass]

Sounds great I was gonna order some apes but I got stargazers instead mine come tomorrow aswell, I’m excited to say the least.

[@youtubeblockscomments]

I’ve been thinking about getting a monotub but wanna do my first grow in the bag as a start

[@Comyco]

I am personally not a huge fan of fruiting in the bag lol. Just my preference.

[@youtubeblockscomments]

@@Comyco yeah I can see you don’t get as big of a yield vs a tub but I’m pretty new to it so trying to start off slow. I got a bunch of substrate and a couple grain bags for my next one, gonna try it in the tub. I have a question for you. I inoculated my bag a week ago and am not seeing any mycelium yet. Is this common? I thought I would start seeing something by now. Maybe my syringe was bunk. I keep the bag around 75° for 12-14 hours a day. Does it need constant heat? Any info would help greatly. Thanks!

[@Yokoname]

⁠​⁠@@youtubeblockscommentsdont worry about it, my bag took 4 weeks before it was 20% colonized, after that i break and shaked it then left it back in my closet for 2 weeks before transferring it to a tub back in my closet😂 im just now getting pinheads. also did you shake your spore syringe before you injected it?

[@jackerz91]

@@Comycosame, the yield suffers tremendously

[@BS-tw5yf]

How often do you have to change out the absorbent pad? Also how much light should the tub be exposed to every day

[@CryptoTonight9393]

What about skipping the perlite or pee pad and just use a humidifier connected to a hidity controller? Would that work?

[@puebae7581]

needed yo see this vid ngl

[@rafaelplicinski5536]

Using those method with the wet pad on the bottom do I still have to spray & mist ? Or if I see the inside of tub has moisture just leave it alone ? Also should I open the lid & fan it every day or once a week Or just the filter holes are enough fresh air ? Thank you very much !!

[@chicofromph33nix64]

If you see it has good amount of moisture on the side of the tub,then you're good. I wouldn't spray it unless it's looking dry. Also I wouldn't fan it yet because it might be getting the perfect amount of FAE. But if you start getting fuzzy feet,I would fan it 2-3 times a day.

[@rigoamador2991]

In that state of colonization, could it be broken down for fruiting or will it damage it? Thank you 🍄

[@Comyco]

Good question! It can be broken down further, it'll just have to reconstitute itself which will take a little longer is all.

[@ndnplaya1222]

What if I’m 90% colonized a month after the first break and shake and there’s still a lot of black substrate spots left and a lot of fluid at the bottom. Do you think I should do another break and shake to mix it all up and let it form the cake again?

[@baitball4665]

Drill in reverse. You wont crack the plastic and it will melt right through

[@Comyco]

Good tip!

[@jaidedeye]

I remove my AIO bags completely and finish in a tub on a bed of water saturated perlite and I get way more fruits.

[@weathervane4592]

What would be a proper grow light if there is no natural light? And could you put two bags in there if they were ready at the same time? Thanks.

[@SirDydimus86]

Mushrooms need minimal, if any, light. They are not plants and don't technically use it. They know which way up is. IF you want, a LED rope light from the dollar store would be sufficient. My wife got me a seed starting light a few years ago that has white, red and blue LEDs. My first whack at growing and the intensity of the light prevented growth. Main things to focus on when fruiting is fresh air exchange (FAE), temperature...low 70s and relative humidity...90-100% And yes, you can absolutely put two fully colonized bags side by side in a monotub. Now, if you have a specie that prefers more FAE then you'll run into issues with one of them, so make sure if you have two blocks they will both perform relatively the same in your tub. Otherwise a separate tub for one that needs more or less than the other. Does this make sense? 🤔 Not all mushrooms are created equal so you may have to do a little homework and design modifications as you go. Mush love friend 💙🍄

[@MrDavidnealbrown]

The water lock material should be sodium polyacrylate and cellulose

[@martindodds4208]

Can I do this with a growkit?

[@IRONCLADRC]

Did you get fruits from this block? I have one that looks identical to this one.

[@Comyco]

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[@saeawn]

@@Comyco I wonder if there is a way to stake the cake like a rotisserie chicken haha so that the bottom can grow from under as well? or just rotate the cake per flush as I am doing but just wondering. it would look cool to have a raised block with mushies all around it like a planet haha

[@Michael-lm6gl]

wait the link is broken! Mine has a moist like sheen too lol. I'm pretty sure i'll be good but I still wanna know how'd this turn out

[@Houseofmycology]

What size filter patch is best for fruiting? I have a 0.5 micron and the pins that were turning into fruits died so I cut the bag hoodie tek style and the ones that didn’t die are now growing nicely!

[@shaneh1003]

No matter what, you still need to rid the container of CO².. There is not enough airflow to blow out the CO². I use a tiny USB metal fan that sits inside the corner of the tub, and just plug it in for a minute without lifting the lid, but at this point, you don't need a completely sealed lid so the holes are pointless. I put a metal clip over the edge of the tub and let one side of the lid be propped up just enough for the fan to blow the air out. No point to ever drill holes..

[@PrincessParanormal-s3n]

For my first grow should I just grow them in the bag? I’m scared of contamination then once I harvest the first one transfer them to a container like this? Also do I leave it in a dark place until it’s all white? Break it up and then put it in low lighting?

[@PaulMarceau]

I'm growing for my first time. I would definitely recommend the bag. I notice the smaller bags colonize much faster. I got a 5 pound bag added 10cc of spores. it has been slow, I think I broke it up too soon. Then two 2 pound bags +5cc each, and in a week are already half colonized. I did the smaller bags almost 3 weeks later, and they are ahead. not sure about lighting, but I have heard you want a lower temp, but that is also helped by the water evaporating. Probably why many people will mist and fan them. Part of getting fruiting conditions. The only time I'd consider more than the grow bag, is if I wanted quantity. And/or already knew what I was doing. I just want for myself.

[@southernengineering4394]

the gnats are definitely a badge earned

[@MonsterMushhead]

I’ve got a boomer shroomer inflatable I’m gonna try this with a 5 pound all in one in a couple of weeks I think this will give me more fruits than keeping it in the bag

[@saeawn]

12:30 I laughed with you but this will definitely help a lot of people. I am doing my first all-in-one cakes from the Booming Acres magic 5lb all-in-ones and Mycco's PEs. I am doing it in a clear horticulture tent instead of a tub. Should I just open to fan a few times since I am not in a normal tub? Are you using any lighting when fruiting? I am going to take the cake out of the bag for the first time but I am going to use a foil liner with perlite only because I am nervous about the pad having something on it or not holding water the way I am used to. You are awesome, I subscribed and will be in contact/support in the future. Thanks for all you do!

[@Comyco]

Sorry I didn't see this comment earlier. I hope it went well!

[@saeawn]

@@Comyco all good! So I went with some TW and P E from ITW and they both did very well with Booming Acres all-in-ones. Take the cakes out of the bags and set them on top of a wet dog pad instead of perlite, then cut circular foil bigger than the cake (if you just use a rectangle the fruits like to come out to the reflection rather than up), and put the cake on top of the foil. Put them in a fruiting tub and never dunk, keep misting and all goes well. May need to FAE more than regular tub so I would fan 2 times a day to avoid fuzzies. Fun experiment with all-in-ones and don't blame anyone that uses them. I am back to tubs though for many reasons that I am sure you are aware of already. Thanks for getting back, made my micro today that much better. Much love!

[@baddaystunts]

Fruiting/harvest videos of this method??? Starting back growing for the first time in 7 years trying bags out and plan to fruit in a ecosphere tent. Going to try inoculating with the bag and see if it’s as good as using jars and going to trays

[@Comyco]

I’m playing with the idea but being cautious about what I post on KZbin. I post a lot more about that side of things in our Facebook group. Just search “Colorado Mycology Company” on FB and you should find it!

[@andrespaz989]

Nice videos with good info, i subbed. How did this end up turning out? I was looking at your videos for a part 2 or a update but didnt see one unless i missed it. Did you end up getting fruits from this?

[@jaysonbernhardt6667]

What do you do about light ? Does it get light through the tub?

[@Comyco]

Light can get through the tub just fine. Ambient room lighting should be fine. If you want to take advantage of the phototropic effect and get them to grow in a certain direction, I'd recommend pointing a light directly above. I usually just let them do their thing with no special lighting treatment though.

[@lisakelly316]

Hello First timer here . Took forever to see mycelium! my first bags that I bought did nothing I mean nothing.. wasn't the bags I'm pretty positive about was the culture they did replace and I now have a mycelium bag / cake . put in a tub but I'm wondering what the shiney. stuff is I have no one I can show it to! is it vermiculite ?? can I send a pic in some place ?? 0r just on here... sigh

[@soniaw9245]

I’ve seen where tubs were used with the AIO but the tub didn’t have holes. Would there be enough FAE if the tub didn’t have holes?

[@diego1602]

I think I will do this, I need to find a way to stop using those plastic bags I just can't accept wasting that much

[@mattyfullon82]

How can you do another flush inside the chamber without the bag?

[@Comyco]

After the first flush, I'd recommend putting the block into a bowl of cold water for 4-6 hours to rehydrate the mycelium. Stick it back in the chamber and wait for round two :)

[@ConvexFolds]

I've noticed that some people even soak the cake even before the first flush. What are peoples thoughts on this as it seems very divided whether to do it or not

[@cmmnsenserules4339]

You could be like George Costanza.

[@mikescott7408]

Can you take that AOI bag and ad 5 lbs bomrbag to that container and colonize the entir4e tub then fruit it ?

[@Comyco]

I wouldn’t recommend that. You don’t want any grain that’s not yet colonized to be exposed to outside environmental conditions. Contamination would be likely.

[@mikescott7408]

@@Comyco What i meant was, can i add the AIO to a brand new sterilized boomer bag and put in the mono tub with all the holes covered and let colonize the entire tub for more yield than just the bag? ARE YOU saying adding the spawn to boomer bag or any substrate will be risky to contamination if i kept in warmer conditions.

[@CannibalOX99]

Hey man if you have a couple of shoe boxes, can you break this all in one grow bag up and just pack it in the shoebox. Mini monotub shit? Or would yoi jist wanna leave the block intact?

[@NotWatchingTV]

I have heard it is best to keep it all in tact distilled water wash perlite and layer bottom of chamber or tub with it then lay down foil to sit your cake on - watch Rookies all in one bag grow. I also am trying it with booming acres 5lb magic bags and Myccos envy genetics

[@saeawn]

I have heard that it will not increase your yield unless when you do break the all in one grow bag up that you combine it with a veryyyyyy clean bulk substrate. only will increasae yield by adding surface areas meaning more substrate and you will have to wait to have your bag broken up stuff colonize the bulk substrate which can be a window of contams. Booming acres told me to fruit all on one bags on top a foil liner over perlite for max yield all in one bag. If you want max yield not all in one bag look up rookie mycologist - he has a max yield bin video using north spore start to finish. You don’t want any grain that’s not yet colonized to be exposed to outside environmental conditions so I would not do it outside the cake. Recommend using liquid cultures for now on though.

[@Lagger-HD]

@@saeawn that what caused me so many issues, just way too many variables i would rather skip for my personal medicine growth.

[@huntingicon]

Could the shinyness be coming from the cake being pressed against the bag?

[@Comyco]

That's quite likely. Now that it's been in it's new home for a few days, it looks exactly how you'd want it to :)

[@Oldgregg3856]

Do you just leave the lid on and let it fruit that way? Just about to do the same. Hoping the holes will be enough for fae

[@Comyco]

Yes, once I've got the holes covered and the lid latched on with the cake inside, I typically don't touch it until it fruits. Well, aside from the occasional check around nce a week to make sure its hydrated and healthy.

[@sugargraham6868]

Just subscribed. Thank you

[@Comyco]

Awesome, thank you!

[@philipholman9898]

Step drill bit, the bit you cut your holes with that's what it's called

[@Comyco]

Thank you!

[@yuriydisman6829]

So how did it go? How did this tub do???

[@Comyco]

It went well! Here is one update video if you'd like to see: facebook.com/601170763/videos/1336268207093323/

[@Mr.Gandy.]

danke

[@jackerz91]

Damn fungus gnats ate the root structure of my “indoor flowers” bastards

[@mrram5040]

Do all holes stay taped till harvest? And are u fanning daily or at all¿

[@Comyco]

I like to keep them taped until harvest. I’m using micropore tape here. I haven’t needed to fan at all up to this point. If I see too much fuzziness, I’ll start to fan later on.

[@SirDydimus86]

If your FAE is good you don't need to fan. Before Yoshi Amano's channel got taken down he had just got some tubs from Microppose. Think he was showcasing the medium size 🤔 Anyway, I asked a similar question and he'd replied that keeping the holes covered (which allows for the build-up of CO2) until fruiting was antiquated and that he had not seen any difference between that and leaving the filter patches (or micropore tape) on through the entire process. Hope this helps 🤷

[@arthurleathblountii7060]

Great video. Just some constructive criticism. Did you really have to show how you covered EACH HOLE with tape? One or two would have been sufficient and it would probably cut a few minutes off of your post.

[@chicofromph33nix64]

I just fast forwarded that part.

[@MMA_Kirby]

Bro how did it go? I see no update videos?

[@Comyco]

It went great! I don't post fruiting content though.

[@HappyMayCope]

So i inoculated 2 bags..And they both have green spots among the white mycelium..Is that normal?

[@Comyco]

That is very normal but not in a good way. It means that your bags have been contaminated and another fungus is growing on the grain. Green is a classic sign of trichoderma. Sorry :(

[@HappyMayCope]

@Comyco ok so are they completely ruined? Can you spot treat it some how?

[@Comyco]

@@HappyMayCope you can try but trichoderma is vicious. I'd recommend just starting over.

[@HappyMayCope]

@Comyco damn that sucks. So does this mean it got infected while I was inoculating the bags, or is it possible the bags were already infected

[@Comyco]

@@HappyMayCope this is quickly becoming a classic question in mycology. Its hard to say. Usually trich only takes 4-7 days before it shows up and turns green though. So if your bags were fine for a long time before you inoculated, it was probably an error in sterile procedure.

[@Ben.g2009]

are these magic mushies ?

[@cmmnsenserules4339]

Ohhhh yes incontinence pads! I'm curious how you figured this out??? You pee the bed don't ya friend??? Its okay, me too 😁😁😁. Great idea!

[@D0CT0R420]

I recently had to deal with fungus gnats 🤮

[@Comyco]

They're the worst :(

[@KOKO-uu7yd]

Puppy pads are also more plastic and trash, unfortunately. 😢🤷‍♀️ I know compromise needs to happen. Please don't jump down my throat (commenters). 🥺🥺🥺 We also can't get better in any area if we conveniently "forget" that "better" is a goal. That's all. Also, he mentioned in the video that he IS concerned with environmental impact (not those words, but that message). So I'm NOT trying to "preach", ok?🤞 Edit: I didn't post this originally because I honestly do not have much experience. Question for those who do, though - what about a small, non-linty cloth like a cloth diaper pad that's been soaked in hydrogen peroxide or something similar? Wash and sanitize between uses? I've actually thought of trying this myself and might, with a bit more experience. For now, I've just been sticking with a humid environment and/or perlite, though. Maybe? What do you all with experience think? Thanks!

[@ClownWhisper]

I've been growing for 20 years and I'm dumbfounded now I can't grow anything in this house I get trachoderma in everything I do I mean I can get green spawn all the way to beautiful fully colonized Grange fun without trichoderma minute I put it in a mono tub even with a simple substrate like coconut fiber and a little bit of vermiculite and even if I fully sterilize it rather than just pasteurize it I get trichoderma every time I have not been able to grow anything successful for 6 months I don't know what the hell I scrub every inch of the room down with bleach I run a big industrial ozone machine all the time I mean at all the time but every chance I get I don't know what to do at this point it's fucking ridiculous. I mean it's funny in my last house I never got trickaderma The occasional Jeremy if I was using jars I'd get a little trich has anybody ever used chlorine dioxide treatment for a room? I'm going to try that next I'm running out of ideas. I even sterilized a giant rubber maid tub and tried growing inside that filling my bins inside a really high-tech ozone and alcohol clean still air box I mean I could not have been any more sterile with this procedure and I still get trick inside a tub that's inside a tub never touched when I open it up it's gone. I've even tried to hold back a couple of cups of grain inside the original bag to see if it goes and it always stays fine so it's the air it's everything I don't know I'm at a lost at this point it's the most depressing thing I cannot grow anything

[@Comyco]

Sorry you’ve been having such a rough patch! I hope things improve for you soon!

[@chicofromph33nix64]

I feel your pain!! As a beginner, I had the best luck and never had issues for about a year. I kept things clean,but I could've been more sterile about it. Then for 9 months I had a horrible issue with the C word. I would do 10-20 projects hoping one would work,but ended up tossing them out. It was very frustrating. The only difference was I was being extra clean. I'm sure that wasn't the issue,but that's the only thing I switched up on. I had to take a 3 month break and now things are doing great. I did extra just in case they went bad,now I have more tubs than I do room.

[@weldhub2738]

The first 12 minutes is something that could have been edited