Do Jehovah Witnesses Still Believe This?

[@Theescapist_87]

Also I vividly remember my dad inviting my drunk uncle to his first and last memorial. They passed the wine and when it got to him he proudly proclaimed he was going to heaven before he guzzled the wine down. My dad had to escort him out 😂

[@nenala7684]

Iconic😂😂

[@TB-mj7gt]

Dad should of just left him alone. Nobody would of dared to question it

[@BLARG09]

Maybe he was. Who are they to know. 😂

[@AronBaddoPacas]

drunk x wine... match

[@Ignacioforever69]

That’s hilarious!!!!

[@onesunnyday5699]

Don't forget that 'overlapping generation' excuse so they can keep replacing the GB members with new, younger members every so often.

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses.

[@Niafuerte1828]

​@@vusimngomezulu2500The Mormons? Regular Christians? I know the JWs are banned in many countries, so it can't be the JWs for sure...

[@benjaminlammertz64]

@@vusimngomezulu2500 Which troll is asking the same copypasted question again and again and again? Which troll reacts to every well thought out and reasonable answer to his question with the copypasted comment: "You couldn't answer my simple question. *sademoji*"?

[@Jesus_Christ_Conquers]

@@vusimngomezulu2500 Luke10:7 states, “And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages. Do NOT go from house to house.” -ESV

[@Jesus_Christ_Conquers]

@@benjaminlammertz64 Yes he has been Spamming, advertising and touting his so called religion.

[@alfred5048]

For 72 years (1935-2007) the JW leadership taught that the 144,000 anointed were complete in 1935. Then, in 2007, they just quietly stopped mentioning the year 1935.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

😂🤣

[@jerrychacon8814]

@@alfred5048 1931 the Bible students had an understanding of the heavenly calling 😆 even as far back as 1904.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@alfred5048 🤣😂

[@christinesotelo7655]

WALLY! I was just beginning to swallow a piece of watermelon when you did that skit! Watermelon now all over my carpet because I laughed so hard I choked! WALLY! 😂😮

[@kindforge]

Bless you😂🤣

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@christinesotelo7655 😂🤣

[@billjones261]

The GB men claim they are the Anointed ones because they are preaching a true Gospel of Jesus just as the first century disciples (they are not), they also claim they are being guided by Jehovah's holy sprit, so they have expressed a lie to support another lie, to support another lie. Condemned false prophets can not be the Anointed ones. They obviously proclaimed themselves the anointed ones for their own power and personal stature. 😳

[@jessicacaldwell6262]

I totally agree…I asked my 89 year old JW mom as to Why only the WT GB’s originated from NY state and not from the World Wide Brotherhood of JW’s !!! It seems Jehovah likes NY state 🤨🤣😀

[@cat_lover77251]

WTH?? It’s true because he says so? These ever changing gb are mere men. Their double talk is so frustrating. Thank you Wally! Great job!

[@Ben-rb7rf]

That was a great episode. Thanks Wally.😁💯 Didn't the last two new GB's suddenly realize they were anointed just before getting appointed even though they were serving their whole lives?

[@Theescapist_87]

They just claim everything is "new light" and the die hard JWs nod and go on like its no big deal. The average JW is severely lacking critical thinking skills, including my parents sadly. Thats why they have always been against their members furthering their education. Its so sad that I can only laugh now, otherwise I might cry at the thought that so many people are so lost and gullible.

[@TB-mj7gt]

So many have been invested for so many years that they sticking to it no matter what

[@freespirit3891]

​@@TB-mj7gt they could have had fulfillment in their lives and been happy (such as having had children back in the 1960s-80s+) rather than fulfillment of the borgs wants of getting their books out to the public and filling their heads with rubbish.

[@SunguchMan20]

Critical thinking is a bad word amongst Jehovah Witnesses.

[@davidarchibald1887]

When I was a JW in the 90's I found it difficult to justify this doctrine.

[@onesunnyday5699]

It was the biggest draw for me back in the 80s. It was what I was looking for since I was a child. I would cry thinking about going to heaven, I wanted to stay here in a paradise with the animals. My dad would get so mad at me which only made me cry harder. 😭

[@bennypagesaunders6895]

You and me both. As a teenager the Internet in the early nineties (such a great time that was- Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots) was still in its infancy. But I did a fair bit of research and none of this made sense. Bearing in mind it was a very tenuous belief even then. They were teaching that some of the anointed would see the fulfillment of The end of the system as it is, and most of the 'remnant ' were well into there 90's in 1992 . Partakers were about 8000 ish worldwide and remained constant for years . I remember we had 2 who took the emblems in our Congregation and they were generally believed to be mistaken because they didn't fit the criteria 😅 . I look back now and think what an utterly confused mess it all was and completely reliant on some very tenuous biblical conclusions. All the Witnesses have are theories and proferred explanations of Bible passages. Faith is a confidence in something or someone based on past performance. For example, you might have faith in a contractor based on photos and work he's done or by past endorsement. With this its faith in an organisation that has nothing scripturally specific to back up its claims. At least the Catholic Church can claim a tenuous tradition of lineage to the Apostolic line, even if its worship has no relationship to early Christians. Although we have some fairly convincing evidence that the writings haven't been altered much due to 4th century copies, the Bible as it is was compiled by men. We have other religious writers who were discarded as apocryphal . Even some of the Gospel of John is considered inauthentic by some. The Witnesses consider the Bible as infallible, I don't think many people in the Vatican have that kind of conviction. Books like Isaiah are clearly written by a number of authors

[@jerrychacon8814]

The marriage takes place in heaven, if the anointed are on earth still they would miss out on being at the marriage, if any are here on earth they will be taken to heaven at the appropriate time. Each will render an account to God and if a person says there anointed its between that person and God, they do not say they think there anointed, God does the choosing, it would be safe to say they would be similar to how Jesus chose his disciples, they'd have a record of service and many years being faithful to God.The calling of the heavenly class there is no set end day, as some maybe called to replace ones who did not remain faithful.

[@jerrychacon8814]

​​@@onesunnyday5699If your crying your not going to heaven, those who have a calling want to be in heaven and look forward to being there. Do not believe there is a child who is anointed.

[@robotaholic]

I'm at the end and just wanna say this video was awesome. You put so much thought into it. It hurts to love someone who believes this stuff. Take care

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

I can't believe I remember that 1982 WT study article. I was SEVEN.

[@Smashingblouse]

Sometimes my friends and family can’t believe what I can remember. I put it down to having to attend 3 meetings a week and go out on field service from birth and memorising the books of the bible, scriptures etc down to a T. Gives you great recall.

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

@@Smashingblouse yep! I remember details on almost everything. As much as I hate the cult, I do credit them for making me a lot smarter. I'm currently learning my fifth language. Arabic. They did teach us how to study!

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

@@Smashingblouse on the other hand, it doesn't matter how smart we are or how many languages we can speak, or how many rockets we can build, if we weren't allowed to go to college and get letters after our names.

[@yvonne3903]

​@@CarolineJoyAmicohow are you doing with sun and moon words?

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

@@yvonne3903 ❓❔❓

[@genewashington1502]

This was the exact doctrine that I questioned, and what woke me up. I said to an elder in my congregation “the Governing Body are getting old now. When they die off, what’s going to happen to the organization? If they find a way to get new, younger members on the GB, that will be my cue to get out of here. This system could go on for another 100 years.” Six years later, they came out with that during a Watchtower study. I looked right at that elder during the meeting, like “what did I tell you?”

[@jerrychacon8814]

The Bible doesn't give a specific cut off day of those being called to heaven, as there maybe a need to replace some who have not remained faithful till death.

[@genewashington1502]

@@jerrychacon8814 Isn’t it a coincidence that Watchtower used to teach that everyone baptized before 1935 was of the Anointed, and everyone baptized after 1935 was of the Great Crowd. Now, all of a sudden, all of the members on the Governing Body were all BORN after 1935 (Samuel Herd, the oldest member, was born IN 1935). I can’t believe that that many members that had the heavenly hope would suddenly turn away. The number, if it was real, should have been sealed, like the Bible says. These guys are “false prophets and will perform great signs and wonders, and will mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.” (Matthew 24:24)

[@BillWalters-kx8sw]

​@@jerrychacon8814there's been over 2700 years since Jesus died 144,000/ 2700 = 53.3 people who where anointed. We know that at penticost 33CE 5000 was anonited. 144,000 - 5000 = 139,000. 139,000/ 2700 years = 51.48. The numbers ain't adding up lol

[@jerrychacon8814]

@@genewashington1502 Matthew 24:14 who's fulfilling This prophecy ? The global preaching and teaching???

[@jerrychacon8814]

@@BillWalters-kx8sw you do not know

[@cultytalk]

As a teen in the 80's I would rip open the back of the yearbook as soon as we got it to check the annointed numbers lol.... and scratch my head. I never did get in that pool. 😂

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@cultytalk So glad you didn't get baptized into that cult. They wouldn't baptize me because I questioned some of their doctrine. That's a big no-no in JWs. I came this close to joining up. Studied with them for years & still has negative effects on me.

[@red.rose.08]

Thank you Wally, for this video. This was my awakening moment. I googled everything. We're taught that 607 BCE was the starting point, the fall of Jerusalem (the first time, obviously not the last). I googled just about that, when did Jerusalem fall. The facts showed that 607BCE was wrong. Just with that, my eyes were opened, finally, opened. Everyone who were born on 1914, are all dead. Every active JW still believe the year 1914 was when the heavenly kingdom is finally cleansed and installed. This is such a lie. The year itself is made up. This is one of the central feature of the JW doctrine, one of the main central pillars of JW teaching. I can't believe that for a long time, since I was a child, that I believed this. The 144,000 anointed, also referred to the Faithful Slave Class, including those in the GB, made me fearful of them. Their words were like king. What they say, must go. But now, just knowing that 1914 is just a made up number, this pillar of teaching is fake, so the whole building collapsed for me. If there's an active JW out there reading this, trust your senses, use your own logic and common sense. Question everything to find out if you're being lied to. When you read the WT or the Awake mags, Google even just quotes from secular sources or, just reach out to these professionals who supposedly quoted them, and ask them whether what they quoted in the WT are true. And be ready to accept their answer. If there's no answer, that's telling. That's because.... (do they actually exist?) If the WT gives sources that have blanked answers, are their sources genuine? If not genuine, what can you say about the WT then? I hope you and everyone reading this still have a blessed day.

[@Foxfam4]

Great for you. Breathe the free air.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

They also said, "Scientists say a woman's brain is 10% smaller than a man's." Meaning women aren't as smart. What scientists?

[@rebeccasmith8412]

If that is really occurring as often as you indicate, wouldn’t they have been sued for libel or something similar? Can you cite examples? 🙏

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@rebeccasmith8412 Most ex JWs are hiding out because of how ruthless the governing body treats people who leave the organization because they are fed up. Plus they made their parishioners bury the truth about the sexual abuse of children. Instead of telling them to go to the authorities, they chose to cover it up because it "brings reproach on Jehovah's name." They care more about keeping up appearances than caring for their church members. How much better of an example they would have set if the elders offered love, comfort & support by going to court with them & seeing justice done. Instead, they blamed the victim(s) in order to "keep their good name." Real Christian like. I'm glad it's finally getting support & justice from outside sources. The elders and governing body failed these children miserably.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@rebeccasmith8412 Examples? Just look at how often they dated when Armageddon would happen: 1914, 1918, 1919, 1929, 1937, 1946, 1975 plus some extra dates in between. All those dates & Jesus didn't show up. The governing body are all false prophets.

[@FishGAMER-R6Z]

Wally I was not expecting that "boring party" part 😂 I actually spat my tea out when I heard you say that 🤣🤣🤣

[@Xoxo-mh9zr]

God is Good!! I left last year and I am more CONVINCED now that I am OUT of this crap. I prayed 2 days ago for God to show me a sign that I made the right decision(Ik I did). Spoke to my husband the same day about proof of the 144,000. Wow!! Just wooow!! This is GOLD❤

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@Xoxo-mh9zr Amen! The JWs cannot show you one passage that flat out says, "Only 144,000 will go to heaven." In the early 1900s, they used to believe that everyone in the JWs went to heaven. But in 1 John, Jesus talks about the triune God Head repeatedly, driving the point home. And in the Gospels, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions. If it weren't so, I wouldn't be telling you this." The JW governing body has changed their teachings so many times. But God never changes. Yet JWs disregard their own teaching, "We ought to be obeying God rather than men." They obey the governing body. Not God.

[@Xoxo-mh9zr]

@ChristineRossi-rc7xl yup! Had my head on a swivel. Got tired of that.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@Xoxo-mh9zr I'm just thankful you didn't become one of them.

[@blindovision]

When I was growing up, I remember them saying that the whole generation that was baptized in 1914 would not die before the end of the world. And I was like 10 years old and I was like that was 80 years ago y'all. But, somehow no one else was seeing it. LOL

[@GlizzyMan6969]

I remember attending the convention the year before last I think it was, and hearing this and my family was nodding and I went from 😀😃😅🙂🤨😕🙁😔

[@bkjones79]

Not only that, they have doctrines that diverge from their own doctrines!

[@MidniteMoogle]

A few years back I went to my last memorial and the speaker said that the governing Bobby said that our takers that are anointed can now choose to not be anointed

[@Theescapist_87]

Wtf?!?!? So you can just tell God, nah man I'm good living here on Earth and not worshipping you 24/7 in heaven for the rest of eternity? 🤣

[@MidniteMoogle]

pretty much lol

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

🤣😂

[@TexasHoldem-p9q]

The Truth stays the same, only lies CHANGD!!

[@esmeraldapooner751]

When I was a young child I thought this was a huge number. And didn't understand why someone was so dedicated and kind as my Mom wasn't included. I almost cried.

[@megan148]

Sigh, that song is going to be stuck in my head for 7 business days

[@rhecb]

Nailed it with the “figurative” vs literal. I figured that out when I was 13

[@Jackson-r8t]

“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves” (Matthew 7:15).

[@jerrychacon8814]

2PETER 3:3,4

[@valkyrieanduril1345]

​@@jerrychacon8814 stay alive till '75!

[@jerrychacon8814]

@@valkyrieanduril1345 MATTHEW 24:36; MARK 13:32

[@jerrychacon8814]

@@valkyrieanduril1345 MATTHEW 16:3; MATTHEW 24:3-51

[@valkyrieanduril1345]

​@@jerrychacon8814 Do you think I'd waste my time reading your suggested verses?

[@matrixnavigator6669]

You make me laugh! I love the party scene! Revelation, to me, sounds like someone back in the day accidentally consumed a heroic dose of shrooms! BTW, what's up with that butcher's knife on your bookshelf, lol?

[@Smashingblouse]

It’s just in case they knock on his door 🔪

[@PokemonRules333]

Tbh though I often wonder why anyone in the 21st century would think that stuff in the Bible really happened

[@sadieflint1994]

Whether or not I am born again is between my LORD and I. My spiritual status is between God and me, not me and a faulty organization.

[@Xoxo-mh9zr]

❤❤❤❤THIS❤❤❤❤

[@AuroraButterflyx]

Yes. God is the one who judges people and who loves us all. There’s no limit to his love.

[@Foxfam4]

I forgot about all the 144,000 crap! 😂😂😂😂😂. Not sure which is more ridiculous this or the overlapping generations.

[@yvonne3903]

Or Kings also being brides and virgins.😂

[@KillStrangeMeser]

My grandma terrified me as a kid by telling me if i don’t go to the meetings & or listen to what Jehovah wants me to do that i would be destroyed in Armageddon. I always felt like i had someone watching me & felt guilty for doing anything worldly. It got to a point where i would freak out if i heard jets going by or if the sunset was too red or any sorta noise that sounds emergency like, it made me feel like the end has started. i was always scared to go somewhere without my family members because i didn’t want the end to start without me around them & go through it all alone. I was anxious as a kid & still am along with IBS-D. Till this day i still have dreams of Armageddon & even a few times Jehova himself judging me. I am agnostic now but i still have this anxiety in the back of my head that “what if i am wrong & Jehova is real?” Even seeing all the bad “signs” on the news freaks me out a little because of that doubt. Thanks grandma 😅

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

@@KillStrangeMeser So sorry you had to go through all that! Please bear in mind that I studied with them for years & didn't get accepted because I questioned some of their doctrine. It's by the grace of God's love that I didn't get trapped into that cult. God is a loving God, not a punishing God. You can still be a Christian believer in the outside world where you're allowed to do some critical thinking and think for yourself. The JWs don't want you to think. Just obey the governing body, who, by the way, are not above God.

[@rickwilkerson3865]

Visualize Gage and Jeffrey (barely in their 50’s) clinging to the 144k number bobbling in a sea of symbolism. While at the same time, 99.9% of their adherents are sinking with millstones around their necks.

[@christinesotelo7655]

In the 70’s, we had a JW neighbor who suddenly claimed to be “anointed”. She became quite strange. The Elders were at her house running back and forth in and out for weeks. She looked like she had been sleepless for a month. She ended up in a Psych hospital. We visited her there and she did nothing but preach and hold the little blue “truth that leads to eternal life” book. It was very scary. Finally the Elders did accept she was anointed (one of the 144,000) and she was the only one in the congregation out of maybe 80-90 people who partook at the Memorial Service. It was frightening.

[@joanallen5253]

And for years, those who partook kept decreasing as it should have, then the numbers started to increase like this example. Then, some explanation had to be made to account for rising numbers of 144,000.

[@AKayfabe]

it is very scary that a person who was clearly having a mental health crisis was just called anointed and basically humored instead of helped

[@christinesotelo7655]

@@AKayfabe I think that the Elders might’ve put her through such a grilling that whatever was going on with her personally, was compounded by the weight of the Elders’ “test”(?!?). After she came out of the psych, I guess they figured she had “endured to the end”. It was truly sad for us to watch.

[@przemeksledziewski1973]

@AKayfabe Reminds me of people who believe they are the opposite gender.

[@goodboy3313]

This doctrine NEVER made sense to me! They should just leave numbers and numerology alone.

[@Flintstonesfan]

About eight years ago, a brother in his mid-twenties partook at the Memorial. About two or three years later, he was disfellowshipped.

[@ItIsMeDeMi]

Well, there went his annointing.

[@herbt.1472]

JW believe what the WT said was more trustworthy than what God says, not because of His truth but because of what WT said was what the JW wanted to hear.

[@moriah1202]

13:00 there was a woman in my congregation that was SEVERLY mentally ill. She went from wearing sunglasses and bringing a seeing eye dog to a few years later shaving her head when she didn't have cancer but was scared she did. And then, a few years after that, she partook at the memorial and thought she was anointed. Instead of anyone getting her help or having a heart to heart with her at the least, everyone just enabled her and gossiped behind her back.

[@Danny-m6l]

Not just a Few will be alive but "MILLIONS NOW LIVING will NEVER Die!" Yes,,, MILLIONS! 😅🎉If you wear Born in 1914 you'd be 110 years old.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

😂🤣

[@allib9742]

It seems strange that these chosen ones can be un-chosen. Is Tony good ol' boy still anointed?

[@kristycrabb6560]

I've always wondered about that. They are virgins, they are unblemished, they arent married ect, like the 144,000 that drink the wine and eat the bread at the memorial

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

The thing I found was was that he said there are a FEW among us that have been given the Holy Spirit. Now that I am out of the cult, and into mainstream Christianity, I know that baptism is when we ALLLL receive the Holy Spirit. How sad that this is denied to millions of JWs. They're not saints! "Sorry. You're left out. But still please donate your money and your time!"

[@lmb1962]

So, so happy that you got out. Praise Jesus! I, too, am a Christian. Long, long time ago, I had three friends that joined the JWs. I thought about it. Went to a few "bible" studies with them Instead of joining them right away, I met a Christian woman who had been a JW, left, became a Christian. She's the one who brought me to Christ. Armed with this info, I tried to persuade them to leave - yes, I know, I had no idea what was going to happen - needless to say, the shunning started immediately and I was branded an apostate 😆 It is such joy to my heart when I read stories like yours. And just in case, in the incredibly improbable off chance one of my old friends read this: Laurie, Chris and Debbie, get out now. Time is short. Signed: Lynn, your old friend in South Florida.

[@freespirit3891]

It's true that few get the Holy Spirit at Baptism because they have promised to do the work of the organization.. the work of the organization is NOT the same as that of Jesus Christ.

[@Livingforchristalways471]

This brings joy to my heart ❤️❤️

[@lmb1962]

@@freespirit3891 Amen, Amen, Amen 🙏

[@CarolineJoyAmico]

@@lmb1962 I love your comment so much. 🥰

[@Whodat2015]

I wonder when someone of these younger GB members started claiming they were anointed???

[@CarlStJohn-x9w]

Well done this was a very good video ❤

[@Smashingblouse]

In the two congregations I was a part of growing up there were 3 anointed in each. Before I was born my parents belonged to a congregation that contained 2. My dad has also met 3 others at assemblies. So that’s 11 people in England that have all personally crossed paths with my dad that are part of the anointed. So there’s 8billion people on earth and 144,000 is a tiny fraction of that but he’s met/knows 11 of them….🤦🏻‍♀️

[@jackievisser69]

Not just that. It's been 2k years since Christ. They have to say there were no anointed from the time of Christ to the time of the Bible students. That's completely asinine. 😂

[@StanMNdirt]

Great episode.

[@schueylerblack1852]

I remember reading something about how they decide symbolic and literal by the amount of times it’s mentioned. And of course there are exceptions to that rule lol

[@thumbstruck]

Millions then living died....Tony Morris was in the military back in the 1970s, when the end was really close, so close that you could reach out and touch it....

[@LOH__]

“Steam Powered Giraffe- Honey Bee.” Listen to this song with headphones or when feeling your feels. You are welcome.

[@matrixnavigator6669]

"We're just cosmic space dust, floating.... boundlessly around." - Planck (a band)

[@ciscokidfab7595]

144k is just one more control piece of watchtowers cult puzzle.

[@rubicktdo89]

I ask theses questions to my wife many times......she just says some of them gave up their wings and new ones replace them ...🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂

[@joelharmon9951]

I wonder what would happen if a disfellowshiped person partook of the emblems, and persistently, and adamantly claimed the they KNEW they were of the anointed

[@tun2w]

They will consider it as an blesphemy or someone with an mental illness. The Bible says For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself.

[@fukai-sama]

@joelharmon9951. Lol the person will be escorted out of the kingdom hall and any chance of being reinstated are dashed.

[@PaulDorrington-w4u]

This man is so right! I've told you already (KZbin man), they do not want men like you. Because you are a thinker and question, question, question; you never stop questioning. That is why they want your arse out...

[@bygeorgehemayberite8385]

I absolutely have; one of the weirdest doctrines that was suppressed, but reflecting, it never made sense including the scriptures used.

[@gamingwithmaya502]

Honestly, this is the first time I've actually read these verses with the literal parts highlighted next to the figurative verses. It does seem kinda arbitrary which ones are literal and which ones are not.

[@dennisconstantine624]

Wally, the only spirit I need is a good Gin and tonic. Cheers from NZ

[@steventheheretic]

I was at Bethel in the 80s and while walking home for lunch I saw I was walking next to Jack Redford, the Gilead instructor. I asked him, with total sincerity and innocence, “If Revelation is written in signs, why isn’t the 144,000 symbolic? He was a nice guy, but he got really annoyed and snippy with me. He asked, “Well what would it be symbolic OF? He seemed really ticked off. Later, I found out that that was one of the issues some of the apostates were raising a few years earlier during the big Bethel apostate purge. 😂😂

[@bmoshareholderappleshareho855]

Tell me honestly, any JW who went to Bethel must have thought that Armageddon was less than five years away. You would not go to Bethel if you honestly believed that Armageddon was ten, twenty or thirty years away.

[@steventheheretic]

@@bmoshareholderappleshareho855 I was a 20 year old kid from a small town. I was most excited about living in NYC. But I still believed the end was close and I'd have a "front-row seat" for it all. Indoctrination is a powerful thing...

[@Smashingblouse]

“The Big Bethel Apostate Purge” 😂 Sound like “The Great Storm of ‘89” Or something similar 😂

[@calumbasilva868]

@@steventheheretic what happened in the big bethel apostate purge? 😭

[@steventheheretic]

@@calumbasilva868 Around 1980, some groups were forming at Bethel that were focusing on the Bible and questioning the WT. Ray Franz was on the GB at the time and was removed because of his connection. He describes it in his book Crisis of Conscience. Besides him, individuals were practically hunted down and removed from the Bethel family over a period of time then.

[@JamesPowellActor]

"What butth*** did they pull this out of?" 🤣

[@estherthorp1608]

Raised JW my mom said she was one of the 144000 my mom is a narcissist and she is a Mormon know so cult life sucks I have faith and I have no religion

[@katinaelle]

Waiiiit your mom went from JW to mormon? That's wild

[@fukai-sama]

From a JW to a Mormon 😭✋

[@parrotafrica2996]

I was asked do you go church😂 Do you go temple😂 Do you go the forest? Are you happy?.. Yessss🎉🎉🎉 No relgion going on 20 ish years now😅

[@deenadamico2673]

I wonder if they'll wait for the oldest GB members to die out, then "adjust" the doctrine to allow GB helpers to lead things.

[@Gouzinstrumentals]

The "snow line of purity " 😂 dem drugs was stronk back then

[@astridmiller7938]

i like stronk drugs too

[@Britais-wellyouknow]

I've tried to find some of this stuff. Thank you for documenting it all.

[@rhecb]

In 1996 if you had become anointed 1935, you would have had to have been 18; therefore, you would have been 79 in 1996. How many members of the governing body were born in 1917 or before? None? Really?

[@alanachamberlain5257]

You definitely see the Apostolic succession, just like the Catholic church-the very thing they’ve preached against.

[@marquezfamily2378]

I never grew up JW, but Seventh Day Adventist in which I was, believed in this bs. Ellen White and Charles T Russell were in the same congregation of millerites. Ellen made her own church SDA and Charles made JW'S. They both believed that they were living in the last days. Lets just say SDA believe in Saturday Sabbath and no unclean food pork shell fish, cant work sundown of Friday till Saturday sun set. I grew up believing that if i dont turn off the tv by sunset on Friday night god would be mad at me and if I had to work on Saturday it was a sin. Thankfully I left in 7th grade a refused to attend another church meeting.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

They're all off shoots of the Methodists, I believe.

[@debkopinsky8438]

The green and yellow to bring home the point was just awesome!

[@YouShisha1393]

They started to laugh because that guy said "among us."

[@DavidTaylor-ki2ir]

Every national football league team has a 53-man roster, Major League Baseball has a 40-man roster. Coach J has a 144,000 man roster.

[@robotaholic]

You earned that like today! ❤ thank you

[@petegwell]

My father loves the Jehovah Witnesses more than any other. He reaps where he does not sow and and sows where he does not reap. He loves the Rastafarians down in Jamacia. He judges people by the spirit in their children. He judges churches by the spirit in their congregation. It's as real as real gets. He has urged me to ask the Jehovah Witnesses to give their children the gift of Christmas---heat miser and freeze miser. All of it. Every child deserves to have their dreams come true once a year. That's a direct order from my father.

[@Yourstruly-b9m]

Some will lead most will follow . You must learn the difference

[@wendysandwell9838]

Just fantastic . Did it not say that the 144000 should be virgins ??? Well that’s also blows that right out of the water. Loved this Wally spot in a just shows this whole cult is a made uo but we knew that .

[@benjaminlammertz64]

I mean... when you look at the current governing body, it's kinda hard to disagree with the old watchtowers calling them crazy.

[@peterbunyan3924]

l find it crazy just because these men say they are whatever that the JW's believe them without a scrap of evidence.

[@ChristineRossi-rc7xl]

They HAVE to believe them without question. Otherwise they'll get disfellowshipped.

[@cmotherofpirl]

Silliness. 12 signifies completeness, 1000 means great multitude. 12 x 12 x 1000 = 144,000 a symbolic number of completeness.

[@tun2w]

Not absolutely every word in the revelation is symbolic. They believe that the number of people who will go to heaven is around 144,000 because the bible refers to them as "little crowd". Compared with great crowd that no one could number.

[@derelbriarley6786]

@@tun2w 'little flock' actually.. And where do they get the 'around' from?

[@cmotherofpirl]

@@tun2w 144,000 isn’t a little crowd

[@tun2w]

@@derelbriarley6786 Yes, i mean little flock :D They believe that the bible doesn't say all Christians or "good" people will go to heaven. Otherwise Jesus would not have called them as "little flock." Luke 12:32-34 says only little flock will be given the kingdom, not all "good" people. If all good people or the great multitude will go to heaven than the bible will not say only the "little flock" will be given the kingdom.

[@tun2w]

@@cmotherofpirl Revelation 14:1-4 : "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. ................. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth." The scripture says only small number of people consist of 144.000 will go to heaven. That's what bible referring with the "little flock".

[@georgesouled2695]

Well explained and quite entertaining!

[@danielaacerra4022]

The scenes you made are hilarious though😁😁😁🤣🤣

[@williamgraham1062]

Ok, @ Around 5.55. you cringed me out 😅. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿.

[@cygnustsp]

I remember going out in service, recently putting a new screw in my George Bush glasses that was too long and stuck out, and when I tried to explain the 144k to a house holder he pointed at me and says "I think you have a screw loose." I thought it was actually funny.

[@Xoxo-mh9zr]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh, shXt😂😂

[@danielecolla5767]

I caught my brother in law right from the Bible itself about the 144;000

[@isaiah30v8]

No deceit? . Millions Now Living Will Never Die . They are all dead! .

[@DavidTaylor-ki2ir]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Tony Morris questioned the legitimacy of the anointing of the newer members of the governing body and their new fangled ideas. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a factor in him getting booted off.

[@theanarchonazbolinquisition]

”We have amongus”

[@garyman99]

Love the intro music buildup.

[@Beck-325]

My mother has claimed to be anointed since about 10 years ago, in her mid 40s. I remember how strange I found it that she kept it a secret and was embarrassed about it when she would partake during the memorial. I couldn't understand why that would be something to shame someone for, but people would doubt her and the only other woman in the congregation who also claimed to be anointed who was an old eccentric lady. My mother then went on to claim to me that she was shown visions of the future from Jehovah. She was also very controlling and abusive and eccentric. I would sincerely ask her sometimes why Jehovah would choose someone like her and she would cry and play victim saying "I don't know". Very strange.

[@jakelynbrook]

Only virgin men?? But the man said sisters?? 👯‍♀️ 😮 what is the answer to the question that no one is allowed to ask??😢 26:46

[@Wtfbroward]

It says 12,000 VIRGIN MEN OF EACH TRIBE OF ISRAEL ….

[@Wtfbroward]

Keyword “without blemish”

[@Wtfbroward]

This creates huge arguments with my fam and other JW. They dont come to my door, they dont wanna save me 😂😂😂😂

[@rebeccacisco9420]

To be direct, I am at at a loss as to how so many people of assumed normal intelligence are still believing this nonsense. I can only imagine that after years of giving their lives to the org, they just can't look it in the eye and and admit they have been had. They just don't know how to go it alone. The threat of losing everyone is keeping them there. No worse abusive is as bad as spiritual abuse.

[@TechyBen]

Most elders in my old cong had wives who were showing signs of PTSD the cult helped drown out, or were themselves convinced the only way to avoid the harm in their past was via the cult's indoctrination. Trapped people trapped by trapped people...

[@TechyBen]

(My own family, while not elders are the same. If they admit it's a cult, they have to accept the past really happened, the family was horrible to others, and that they have no excuses for not improving right now other than the cult!)

[@yvonne3903]

The 144,000 were also considered brides of Christ in the 60/70s . Now they are KINGS?

[@christinesotelo7655]

Yeah, that speaker was way out of character. He broke the monotone robot act. That WAS weird!

[@janitia]

they count people from Russells age and miss out all the christians from jesus to the late 1800's.

[@janitia]

that watchtower must relate to the governing mad men too then.

[@philipatkins405]

The longer this system goes on for excuses excuses new light new light I say new 🐂🐂🐂 bull shit

[@TheHudsonValleyWanderer]

It's all true until they get "new light" then that will be the newest true of the newest true. 😆

[@robertshaw7692]

I had a friend that was at Bethel years back, he worked in the Press room and got injured at work, well there was a debate about should he be sent home or stay, well they let him stay so they were turning micros-fish over to computer they put him there doing that, and he was moving the names of the 144,000 to the computer well six months went by and he thought there sure is a lot of names, so he hit enter and there were more than 300,000 and that was around 1988.

[@DeathSentryCoH]

what do other religions teach regarding the 144000?

[@cultytalk]

ALL THAT from "Questions from Readers"????

[@dinitcaify]

Your views as an EX-JW witness is very interesting. So what is your views on the coming Tribulation Period that they teach.

[@working_in_pink5978]

I didn’t even realize it was going on I learned to disassociate thru meetings and I had 1 jw friend period since 12 we questioned nothing we were both in big families with 4-3 generations of being jw and only aloud to associate with other jws I can honestly say I never questioned anything until 7 months ago just before my 22 birthday

[@kittykatrock101]

So for about 10 years now my father has been claiming he was anointed. I know I’ve been commenting a lot but this is the first place it feels safe to share this. My father was and still is a very angry, abusive and fake man. He does things for show all the while being a totally different person in private. There were many factors that led me to leave the JW’s but this one was one of the most powerful reasons. He has not changed so how can such a mean and violent man be anointed. 😩😂

[@bearcountrypublishing5303]

Why would you read from a bible that has been so altered to fit with JW theology, rather than one that was translated more closely to the original text?

[@Jesus_Christ_Conquers]

King James Version 1611. Never been altered and not the NKJV is NOT the KJV as corporation organization teaches. Different publishers with many editors, from centuries later. I am 100% certain that the ones who published the KJV would Not appreciate these altered modern KJ versions.

[@bearcountrypublishing5303]

@@Jesus_Christ_Conquers He's quoting the new world translation. It's 100% JW. And I don't mind trying to get a better translation. As in closer meaning to the original Hebrew or Greek. But, not a twisted, fit your needs, translation.

[@Jesus_Christ_Conquers]

@@bearcountrypublishing5303 NWT modern is the farest translation of a bible that one can read. Westcott and Hort is who the jw states they use for their NT. However all of their work on that bible was maticulized to support the jw’s doctrine.

[@bearcountrypublishing5303]

@Rachgolds In that context, I can agree. However, isn't he talking against the JW teachings?

[@hearstboy]

I see two ways out for Watchtower on this doctrine and still survive (and maybe thrive... *shudder*). 1. New light: 144000 is symbolic and not literal. 2. Declare that the Great Tribulation has already begun. Can anyone think of other solutions? (Not that I'm trying to help them...)

[@jerryvida2137]

In the 80s they used to say 144,000.00 were man and woman. They were "chosen"! Many had other beliefs before come to Jehova Witness. The clue was they always talked about " heavenly things"! How they were chosen!