Do NOT buy a RTX 4090 in 2024!

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[@frostybe3r]

Why did you get a 4090 then? Your monitors are old and you clearly don’t need it for video.

[@ging3815]

tbh he is not qualified to give anyone advices, its crazy when he says it like its true you don't need bla bla i did not get any pref uplift bla bla DUH how the fuck do you pair 4090 with your stupid monitor like not even beginners will do that bad of a pair and 2k now is standard with 200 refresh rate like my monitor is 7 years old 7 years!!! and its 165hz 2k ...

[@kaikios]

VR with a 4k per eye resolution, the 3090 runs around 25-45 fps, 4090 runs 70-90 fps. So i think the 4090 is actually a viable upgrade

[@iain.collins]

I'm currently using a 3090, which I got roughly when it came out, and have been playing exclusively in 4K UHD for years now. The 3090 was a big step up from my old 1080 but I'm still considering a 4090 because there are just some games that could really do with it to keep the FPS close enough to 60 for it to be smooth and avoid tearing (with the aid of G-Sync). PCVR still really pushes a 3090, as on a headset like the Quest 3 some PVCR titles really benefit from super-sampling and only a 4090 currently has enough grunt for that. I'm surprised people are still dropping thousands of dollars on graphics cards - sometimes every couple of years - and still haven't bought a half decent 4K display, or a display with G-Sync/FreeSync, when a previous generation card with a great monitor delivers a much better gaming experience than a top of the line card on an old mid-range display.

[@SAFFY7411]

I think for the savviest of savvy buyers, buying the highest end of last gen will always be the go to method. It's about timing the buy to maximise the value. Let me explain, what's happened to the 3090 will also happen to the 4090 once a 5080 costing far less and beats the 4090 in all areas (probably except memory buffer), therefore the values will tank and thus enter your savvy buyers to pick up a top card for a fraction of the cost of its MSRP.

[@SadalDay]

but how much lower will 4090 go when the 5 series arrives? i have a feeling we see a trend of super expensive high end models due to ai boom

[@SAFFY7411]

​@@SadalDay Nvidia won't stop making good cards but the best cards will be expensive, no questions about that. The value of a 4090 will drop once a 5070Ti or equivalent performs equally to it for $800, at that point it doesn't matter what hype a 4090 has, at that moment it won't have as much value, exactly like a 3090 gets overlooked in the used market by those buying a new 4070Ti/Super, prices are similar ish but people always buy new. Used market buyers aren't as many as new buyers. I guess people are intrigued by new tech and whatever, that's what pushes old hardware prices down. It's an inevitable cycle of mass produced goods.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I definitely agree with the performance analysis, but that’s exactly why you buy RTX 4090s only after the RTX 5000 series is out, when they will have dropped in price significantly :)

[@S-K69]

@@SadalDayI really don’t expect the 4090 to drop more than 20% and that’s an EXTREMELY liberal estimate. Realistically will probably drop 10%. The 5090 will likely drop around the $2.5k price point. Then demand will be so high that all stock is insta sold out and resold for around $3k - this is similar to what we save when the 4090 released, the 3090 price remained pretty stable until 4090 supply issues were solved. Even now a lot of the better 3090 cards are only 20-25% lower than launch MSRP and that’s how many years after launch?? Don’t get me wrong though, I know if you’re savvy you can get a used card for like 50% cheaper than launch MSRP but you also don’t know exactly how that card was treated.

[@nugzmedallion8929]

I bought a 4090 in 2024. Do somethn bout it.

[@oscarsoni-king363]

XD

[@lazadaisical8637]

He's seething atm 😂

[@Opekillz]

i bought 4070 aero at launch... got a 2nd for my kid... then got a 4080 aero opened boxed for 960... i felt in love with it the aero 4000 series... so i obviously got the 4090... msrp... everything you said is absolutely right. no regrets tho.

[@shabazz717]

I went from a 3090ti to 4090 in4k and got a pretty big jump

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Fair point as the jump is DEFINITELY there and it’s not small! But my question would be: do you actually need/notice the extra FPS?

[@JagsP95]

For 4k 120hz on an LG C2 yeah​@@ImWateringPSUs

[@silfrido1768]

you don't need it but that doesn't defeat the fact that we still want it despite the cost. economically it's a stupid buy unless you can afford such purchase. that card is for people who do productivity work. obviously for gaming it's a must have but realistically not everyone can afford it. i'm still gonna get that card one day ;) @@ImWateringPSUs

[@xodex78]

Ofc the jump is there wtf, the point you're trying to make in this video is pointless. For exemple in mw3 in 4k with dlss i was at 95-99fps, made a build with a 4090 strix oc, and i have now 200fps+ everything extreme with dlss quality, so no, it's not useless buying a 4090 period, you have the money to buy for the performance you get ? yes then take it, simple as that. @@ImWateringPSUs

[@CiiTy_1]

@@xodex78did you not watch his video? He literally said it’s pointless if you’re monitor doesn’t support it. Some people get a 4090 but don’t know they will be limited in some games by the monitor

[@BitZapple]

If you have 4k 144hz+, buy one used. Other than that if you don't run 4k on a high refresh rate it's overkill.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

100% my opinion! :) And for anything high end but lower than that, either a 4080 Super brand new or a RTX 3090

[@tylerjones477]

yeah i have 3090ti and its great card but with 55in odyssey at 144hz but goes to 165hz of course 4k my 3090 can only handle 144 unless i want like 60 fps lol

[@3062-l7g]

4k 100hz+ in AAA. Fluid with stunning details. Who doesnt like pretty things.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Ahahahaha that’s a fair point! But I’d argue that a 4080 Super could give you the same experience, I actually have a build video with one coming out tomorrow!

[@bilL_at4k]

Hey how are you?.. What's your opinion about the 7900 XTX? I wanted the 4090 but here in Greece it was/is almost impossible to find a decent one for less than 2-2.4k. So i bought a 7900 XTX Taichi for almost 1k. I undervolted it and personally i'm pretty happy with it. But i would like you to give your opinion about that card and maybe some undervolting tips (maybe i can get better performance out of it). Thank you! Keep up the good work!

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Hi there! Thanks a lot for commenting :) Looking at the high end from AMD, the best value for money is definitely the 7900 XT, but for the price you paid and since you’re running it undervolted, the 7900XTX is a great buy if you don’t need ray tracing or Nvidia exclusive features imho! I’ll try to do a dedicated undervolting/tweaking guide asap :)

[@bilL_at4k]

@@ImWateringPSUs Thanks for your response! Have a great evening my friend!

[@silfrido1768]

that was a smart buy. the sapphire and taichi are really good since they both have 3-8 pins which means won't be power limited. amd is not bad but i hate their drivers lol@@bilL_at4k

[@javsama1]

I got my setup with a 4k 120fps still needs DLSS frame generation for most games to get those frame rates, but it looks incredible. Mostly I got it because I think frame generation is incredible and games will look fantastic for many years because of this technology. For anyone wanting one I'd say wait for the 5090 since the 4090 has problems like melting connectors, I'm sure the jump in performance will be huge but the price might also increase a bit and it'll probably be sold out for a few months, so keep that in mind.

[@tonnyarno4790]

Ok, my friend, you finally triggered me :). Do you know the reason to upgrade to RTX4000 series (specifically to RTX 4090) ? Because of massive performance gain in ray tracing with newer RT cores. Did you try to launch Alan Wake 2 with 1440 p resolution and maxed out ray tracing settings on RTX 3080 ti or RTX 3090 ti or even with 4080 ? Or maybe Cyberpank in 4K with path tracing enabled. I suggest you to try and then say again that people should not but RTX 4090. The thing is you like games like CoD with 180+ fps that are corridor-like shooters which makes all illumination process development simpler than in open world games - is actually not an argument. Path tracing is added to several major titles already, and more and more titles will support it, which looks nice, but destroys the performance. And the 4090 RTX is the only thing capable of managing this for resolutions like 1440p+ more or less comfortably. The second point to upgrade is of course VR. Plenty of gamers use VR for car sims and flight sims. You need to render at highest possible resolution for both eyes separately - do I need to tell how intensive this task is? The 3d reason - a lot of gamers use moded games like Skyrim for example which of course lacks optimization in terms of memory management and rendering when you install 2000+ mods and only such brute force GPU capable of handling that. Regarding all those rumors about RTX 5000 series. First of all - everyone who expects 5080 to beat 4090 by 30-40% is probably wrong, because in terms of power consumption and actual size limits it is very hard to achieve much more at least for now. Yes, this should come with a newer VRAM standard and higher GPU clocks, but first of all - the amount of CUDA cores and RT cores will not be even close to 4090 (and we know that the amount is important due to hardware parallelism of the GPU) and the second thing - VRAM is a very expensive part of the GPU and newer standard memory will be expensive as hell, so don't even think about 1200 $ msrp - it will surely be closer to 1700 like the current state of things for 4090. Also, it will not get 24 gigs of VRAM, so if you are target VR you probably should either wait for 5090 or buy 4090 now. BTW 5090 should be roughly 2500 msrp or close to it. And we probably still a year away from having the ability to buy this RTX 5090 and half of a year from buying RTX 5080. So, dear community, if you have issues with FPS with newer titles that requires ray tracing (path tracing specifically), or you are memory bound with your heavily modded games or VR - don't be afraid to spend money for RTX 4090, cause this is a beast for now.

[@MS07B3-G0UF]

We’ll have to see. The 4080 was right there in cuda count with the 3090, and the 4080 last I checked smokes the 3090 pretty good, and the super is even closer in core count. I’d be surprised if the upcoming 80 class isn’t about 5-10% faster than the current 90 class.

[@SadalDay]

Need advice would you hypothetically spend 3400 on this or wait for the 5 series. i get what you are saying but i want the best and dont want to think about upgrading for a while. Intel Core i7-13700K NZXT Kraken Z63 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX ATX LGA1700 Motherboard Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory Zotac GAMING AMP Extreme AIRO GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card Lian Li O11 Air Mini ATX Mid Tower Case Alienware AW3423DW 34.2" 3440 x 1440 175 Hz Curved Monitor also comes with Corsair keyboard and wireless mouse Razer leviathan V2 sound bar Loki 1000w Platinum PSU

[@gerryvolkov7840]

if you dont need it right now you can wait, if you want to play/work now buy now as well. no point in waiting for something. god knows what prices we will have on 50xx series

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Sooo personally I think that build is a bit overpriced, especially because you’re using a 13th gen i7 with a 4090 (rendering the RTX 4090 even less of a good buy). I’d switch it to a 14th gen i9 if you don’t wanna touch the PC for a while. Also yes the Kraken AIO looks amazing, but there are better and cheaper options out there! Take a look at the video I posted yesterday, it’s about saving money while building a high end gaming pc. But components aside, talking about the “waiting or not wait” dilemma, I don’t really believe in waiting for the next big product, unless we’re really on the edge of new releases, I don’t think one should wait!

[@MoZz..]

I have intel 9900K, and i have 4k monitor, i had planned to upgrade my CPU, mobo and ram AND gpu. I then bought ASUS 4090 TUF and MSI mpg 1000W power supply with 12v power for the 4000 series. Reason why i didnt upgrade my CPU, was that i don't really bottleneck the GPU when i play on 4K, i would only get 5-10FPS max if i upgraded to a 13700K. (some games could be 20fps) but i just saved the money and only spent the money on what actually gives FPS

[@Progamer-jv8mb]

This is weird to hear to not buy it. When your monitors are 100HZ only it is still upgrade as your 1% lows will be extremely smooth and better and your 4090 will last you for longer. So no i dont agree that it does not make sense. I bought it and switched from 7900XTX which i gave for my son and i dont regret it is upgrade even over my XTX and I'm playing 1440P 165hz and difference is massive due to 1% lows waaay higher.

[@engjds]

Sound advice, unfortunately many will empty their bank accounts because they strive for the best to mainly show off to their mates or convince themselves they need it when they don't, but that best is only going to last a few months till the 5xxx series wipes the floor with it, in general, if you want to spend sensible, buy medium-top tier cards from the last generation.

[@nikushim6665]

If your doing VR with a good HMD, you're gonna want a 4090 flat out. Pimax will absolutely max out the VRAM and be pushing 80% GPU load.

[@Eusebiugh]

I bought 4090 aorus xtreme waterforce and i returned it cuz i coulnd t control the pump, no rgb and the pump was having a very weird noise. Now i have to see what model should i replace with

[@ImWateringPSUs]

If you don’t need full RTX 4090 performance, it might a good time to consider a 4080 Super tbh :) Or just get the Matrix RTX 4090, I have covered two of those on the channel!

[@Eusebiugh]

@@ImWateringPSUs I can t find matrix available with a normal price. I consider rog strix, aorus master, suprim x or gaming oc. I do not like coil whine..

[@Serandi1987]

Please get a RX 7900 XTX! I really recommend as 4090 buyer! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Eusebiugh]

@@Serandi1987 7900xtx is the same price as 4080 super here. The price didn't drop as supposted to do, its going up

[@flagger2020]

Building a prototyping AI test bench prior to a multi H100 system. Its a toss up with buying enought time in the cloud to test a wide range of small/medium sized datasets (TB not PB)

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Now THIS is a good usecase! Ahahaha :) But also 2xRTX 3090 might have worked for you, for a lower price

[@genericchannel-wy5jh]

What about my use case I play on a odessey Oled G8 34 Inch widescreen 3440p by 1440p at 175Hz and I have a 14900K to go with it! I can get a Rog Strix 4090 from Asus used for 1700€ Euro’s would you say thats worth it?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

It’s very similar to my personal usecase as I play at 3440x1440p but at 100Hz for me a RTX 3090 would be plenty, but since you have nearly DOUBLE the Hz, I’d say an used Asus RoG Strix RTX 4090 would be a great choice :))

[@genericchannel-wy5jh]

@@ImWateringPSUs Thanks for the confirmation! I already have the 4090 strix in my system as I am typing this ;)

[@Noteworthy_]

Do you have any early opinions of the future release of the 50 series of RTX? Do you think it would be worth waiting to buy the latest in GPU or just invest a little more now for a 4080 super

[@RoseSapphic]

Depends if you want to compete with scalpers

[@張彥暉-v8p]

A 4090 is about 90 to 100% faster than a 3090 in GPU bond games. 4080 is the one that is 40% faster than a 3090. If you are talking about CPU bond competitive games in low res and competitive graphic settings. Well, you should get neither of those because they are both overkill.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yes, you’re correct. The percentages vary a lot depending on the game/CPU ofc but in strictly GPU bound scenarios with a 100% scaling on the architecture of the GPU you’re correct :) I also agree with the conclusion tbh!

[@cescoaiel5336]

Not only gaming! When you do 3D Rendering or game development, the 4090 with almost *double* render speeds in iRay render engines and 24G for the textures and scenes, the card is very interesting... Want to swap for my EVGA RTX3090 FTW3? 😜

[@OC.TINYYY]

Just wait for 60 series. This logic makes zero sense, unless it's 1 or 2 months before launch of the new one. It makes no logical sense to wait. It'll still sell for the same resale value than if you had bought it 1 year beforehand. If you have buyers remove nearly a full year out from the 50 series, you shouldn't be spending that kind of money in the first place.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

But I’m not recommending against it saying that the 50 series is about to launch. I’m just saying that an RTX 4080 Super is much better value and you can buy an used 3090 with 24GB VRAM for 600€ and both could probably do most of the things you want to do with a RTX 4090

[@OC.TINYYY]

@@ImWateringPSUs But if someone wants the 4090, why stop them? Your logic still doesn't stand. No card other than the 4090 can max out the most demanding games at 4K. It's a good 35% uplift in RT heavy titles such as Alan Wake, CP2077, Ratchet & Clank etc where native frames matter the most before frame gen is turned on To many people, that is well worth the $600 & nearly 1 year play time of having the best card in the world. The 4090 will retain it's resell value better as well due to the 24GB & performance difference from the next tier down (unlike the 3080-3090). 4080S provides no tangible performance uplift to the 4080. The 4080 was already around $1000, regardless of what the MSRP was originally set at. The market corrected the 4080 price well before the 4080S hit, in the US at least. I just don't like the click bait titles, nor does the actual logic make any sense in the end. If someone wants it & can afford it, buy it. If someone can barely afford it & wants it, they shouldn't be buying a high-end GPU in the first place regardless of how far or close the next launch is. In the end, the logic only makes sense if you're in the market for the highest-end GPU and you're only 1-2 months out from the launch of the next series.

[@michaelangst6078]

I disagree.. GPU's are only worth buying at launch. Payng $1600 or more right now instead of waiting for a 5090 which may only bbe $1800 and come out in 4-6 months is dumb as hell

[@0range3263]

What if I wanted to run 540 hz at 1080p in Fortnite

[@vincentvega3093]

You are obviously hard r word

[@ImWateringPSUs]

😂😂😂

[@koek4539]

why not just run it at 540p and 1080hz?

[@pelisown458]

Then you might aswell reconcider life choices and think about which steps lead you to such an absolute demise

[@MoZz..]

Or 144fps in 4k ;) Many games only run 90-100fps in 4K with a 4090. (ultra settings)

[@Lancista]

*_Vertical Mount? This GPU can't breathe!_*

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Ahahahah it is a tight fitting! But surprisingly it peaks out at 67C under full load! The Strix cooler is definitely oversized :)

[@wallahhabdi399]

games are still going to run smoother the higher fps you get regarding on how much hz your monitor has.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That’s true but not true: frame drops are noticeable, so in many games it’s best to lock the maximum fps to be the same as the refresh rate of the monitor. That is, unless you’re playing an esports title on a 60hz monitor of course

[@wallahhabdi399]

@@ImWateringPSUstry playing csgo with 250 fps then at 500 fps, with a 240hz monitor, there is a noticeable difference in smoothness.

[@markn26]

If you have the money, this isn't the reason to avoid the RTX 4090. It is simply the best card on the market. It's one of two (4080 Super being the other) that has Ray Reconstruction + AI. There's nothing else like it. The Founders Edition is the best of the best of the 4090s and only Amazon sells it for the price of a kidney.

[@GamingXPOfficial]

Vr?

[@KOT-ANGRY]

I bought 4070ti, im happy with it (3840x1600, 144hz), but im confused about 12gb VRAM, better it was 16gb...bu i hadnt money for 4070ti Super, because this 4070ti costs me 850€ 😢

[@KOT-ANGRY]

P.S. I migrated from 3090, because it eats much more power... Performance on 4070ti is a little better with ~60w less power draw!

[@ElGualdo]

So let say I play warzone in a 1080 1 ms monitor 144 refresh and I’ll like to have the best for that config you recommend the 4070 ti?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yup you’d be very happy with a 4070 Ti. Even a 4070 Super overclocked tbh!

[@ElGualdo]

@@ImWateringPSUs awesome thanks for the answer!!!

[@ElGualdo]

⁠@@ImWateringPSUs Sorry for the 1000 questions, what do you think about 4080 and 4070 ti? What is the best for the requirements?

[@ElGualdo]

@@ImWateringPSUs I mean, is it worth the difference between a 4080 and a 4070 ti? Or is the 4070 ti even better than the 4080

[@ciriusn]

You didn´t covered all possible scenarios, because in fact there´s so many different cases you can utilize a 4090 to it´s full potential... like in my, I have a 1440p monitor 160hz and in modern games with max details and "path tracing" I don´t always maxout the monitor refresh-rate, like Cyberpunk, Helldivers and many others... so if your goal is to play the most demanding games with the highest framerate possible or ideally match your monitors framerate, then yes... get the fastest graphic card you can, because games will only get more demanding. ...and by the way I didn´t paid anywhere near 2400€ for my card, I paid 1200€ in second hand, with 2 years warranty still going.

[@daveh98]

The jump from 3090 to 4090 was 70% not 40. How do you not know this since you had it? The 4090 also has DLSS 3.5 and frame generation. It’s a big upgrade from the 3090. 4k needs the 4090 and the 3090 or 4070ti is perfect for 2k. This whole video is a wreck. Also the 4090 was dollar for dollar worth the upgrade over the other cards which is super rare when analyzing a halo card. You always pay for the highest end and the 4090 didn’t go for a premium over the 4080 when factoring performance. The only reason to not get one is if someone doesn’t need it for the resolution. I thought the 3090 was a beast and the 4090 was worth it but I got it day 1. Still though, the 5 series will not be available for most people and it could drive up used prices again. Sorry but your logic is so misleading

[@engjds]

The 3090 is still fine with 4k, you know not many people can tell once fps goes beyond 60fps, and many that say they can tell are just fooling.

[@roninstormYT]

would i be ok upgrading from a rx 6600 to oa 3070?

[@AzraelIgnis]

You want sound advice? Buy the most badass gpu you can afford and play on it until it no longer works or it is so beyond obsolete it struggles. Don't chase the proverbial fps/resolution tail. You will spend more money that way.

[@AzraelIgnis]

I started with the 3080. It's a great card but I needed more than 10gb vram. I looked at the amd gpus. It had the vram just not everything else so I opted to wait and got myself a 4090 directly from asus.

[@damsotaku945]

I'm using Stable Diffusion to do 4K SDXL renders/upscales, i also do 3D renders with GPU renderers, i also play modded Skyrim VR with 4k-8k textures, or heavily modded minecraft (yep its gpu intensives for dirty blocks XD), so, i need something good to Work+IA+Heavily Modded/unoptimised games XD, will see when 50XX prices drop ^^' But nice to see your undervoltage tips ^^

[@gerryvolkov7840]

4090 is very good for production. for AI, it's amazing with Stable defusion. For games it's overkill, work basic adobe works probably overkill. But if you have money just take it, because 5090 will cost as BWM X5 ))) btw I bought it to work with stable defusion mostly, probably overkill, but I will make it work till the last penny.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I definitely agree with you! Except for the cost of the RTX 5090 lol, I hope we won’t go much higher than the 2k the 4090 costs. But for AI and Stable diffusion my personal favorite is an used RTX 3090 for 600€, I actually have a dedicated build with that in mind :)

[@gerryvolkov7840]

@@ImWateringPSUs I agree, but for the future I would rather keep 4090. For games I have 5900x cpu and 5700xt gpu. For games like rust and Tarkov is more than enough, I think for most multiplayer games it would be still enough for another 2 years. It works well with video rendering and photoshop, but now Im diving into AI world and as a graphic designer I hope i will squiz every penny from my 4090

[@GopalChatterjeeezioisgod]

I just loveeeeeeeeeee you're subtle dry humor in the middle of a serious conversation... 7:00 "to gain back it will take a while... to buy a 4090" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 love your videos mate. and your undervolting method of 14900K has saved me a lot of money. thank you. god bless.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

😂😂😂 Thanks a lot for the support, really! Also glad I could help with the Undervolting, I’ll try to keep improving the content for tou guys! :)

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

Everyone's use case and budget is going to be different. So imo this vid is rather pointless or re-Title it so its not so click baity. There are so many areas of use cases for Nvidia gpu's that there really is no one go to card. Gaming was the org use case for Nvidia cards but over time that branched out to content creation, bit coin mining and then AI. Sadly Nvidia is going to focus where they make the most $$$ which is currently AI. It's just unfortunate that Nvidia doesn't see that all the $$$ they plan to make from AI is pointless if we are all DEAD. Outside of the price and pwr plug issues the 4090 has been the best leap forward of a gpu since the 1080 Ti. I primarily use mine for gaming, streaming, and video edit/rendering. No regrets on my purchase (only slightly concerned about the pwr plug failure but I monitor my cards pwr plug w/ temp probs). I would agree most ppl probably should just stick to no higher than a 4080 and average gamers 4070 or lower based on Steam hardware usage BUT I do enjoy playing my games at 4K 120fps on my LG C2 OLED. As the Marovingian say's from the Matrix "It's like wiping your arse with silk. I LOVE IT..."

[@nicholasgeorge6367]

My birthday is in April done plan to build my self a gaming pc looking at the sapphire 7900xt with 7800x3d

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Honestly, if you’re after pure rasterization performance and don’t want ray tracing nor cuda features, that’s probably the absolute best value combo on the high end out there. I’m not a big fan of the pricing of the 7900XTX nor of the 7800XT, but the 7900XT is the best AMD card at the moment imho. And the 7800X3D, well I just covered that in the wooden PC build I made and it truly doesn’t need an introduction!

[@ThaPhantomGamer-cj5pj]

Everyone this settles the debate immediately. If you play competitive shooters, like Fortnite or call of duty, then you spend the money. Get the best of the best because having more power than you need will save the life of the card as well. Many benefited from having more power than you need. If you are a casual gamer then you can get a setup for 4k 60fps for like $1200. Maybe even less. Bottom line, if you compete then get the 4090. 1440p with a stable 240fps is amazing in Warzone

[@bass_freak]

I wanna become a 3D artist. Animator. And i was told you need a powerful GPU for 3D art. 4090 is good they say. Anything cheaper tho? That also has much power? 😅

[@MrAnimescrazy]

From what I have read in youtube comments the 4090 is the cheaper option when compared to the workstation gpu's

[@ImWateringPSUs]

To be honest, the absolute BEST card in 2024 to do 3D art professionally on a budget is gonna be a RTX 3090. And you can pick one up for 600 bucks easily :)

[@NameUserOf]

If you want to become an animator it's a waste of money. 1 - It will take years for you to acquire a skill needed to work with someone on the higher end(i'm not discouraging just saying to not waste money). For the time you'll need a better GPU there will be a new king in town for similar money. 2 - Blender/Maya or anything else it doesn't matter. For animator's workflow, most deformers and other things utilize CPU more, some are paralleled, some still single threaded. There is one thing that does work on GPU(OpenSubdiv) but you don't need the top GPU to use it, especially since you're a novice. 3 - As an animator most of your renders that show your work will be simple as hell any GPU will do really or even CPU. 4 - The only task that GPU will help you that you might wish to have the high end card with is final rendering. But again, in the first year or two there's no need for it. CPU - Ryzen 5700x/5800x/7600x/7700x, no x3d versions RAM - 16 GB+ (if you can go for 32 GB from the start) GPU - whatever money you can spend without going overboard of your budget.

[@Gamba16374]

2:11 there are games out there that are so demanding even a 4090 cant give you 100fps with that resolution you are using

[@CoquiAudio]

in the future would be 28gb, 32gb, and 68gb

[@tylerjones477]

lol i would use one i have a 3090ti and run a 55in odyssey at 144hz instead of the full 165hz cause the 3090ti only gets about 120fps average in most games some its more or less but at 4k with 55in monitor you deff need it if you want to use 4k to the max.

[@victorionutdan2863]

Question please.. i got the same card as you and i wanna change my pc case.. will it overheat if its near the glass panel?? btw i do lots of gpu rendering.

[@rayr7872]

dont you think these cards will be obsolete in a few years when games will demand even more power to run

[@trsskater]

When people say they are getting the 4090 because they do work. They dont mean its the best buy for their work. They mean they can afford to overspend because they will make money using the card so it will pay itself off over time and they can enjoy all the extra benefits they get by having it as well. So even if its a waste of money. They will make more than they lose compared to a gamer who only loss and have no gains except for maybe happiness.

[@RabbitConfirmed]

Bro, I just bought one.. are you serious😭😭😭

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Well it still is the best card in the world at the moment, so even if you’re wasting a bit its potential it’s no big deal if the price wasn’t a problem to you :)

[@RabbitConfirmed]

​@@ImWateringPSUs Well, Im using it for VR, with about 2500x2500 pixels per eye. And it's very resource heavy. Im also planning on upgrading my Monitor to a 4K OLED, so there I need some money too.

[@MoZz..]

@@RabbitConfirmed Then you are good :) I think if you DONT play 4K, i will say 4090 could be a little overkill, but if you plan on going 4K, its not.

[@pars4057]

Pls Delete the background music.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Ahahah is it bad? Should I lower the volume or change song?

[@mchwmedia]

I don't mind it but it fits better for B-Rolls personally.

[@d.r3852]

what graphic card to u recommend for 3440x1440 ultrawide?

[@cason.]

4080, 4090, 4080super, 4070 ti super, 7900xt, 7900xtx, 6950xt they are all very good, i am using 4080 super for 3440x1440@165hz and it is great

[@nicholasgeorge6367]

If you have have the budget 4080 or 7900xt

[@ImWateringPSUs]

All the recommendations they gave you are pretty good! I’m actually playing in 1440p ultrawide at 100Hz myself and the best value card would be an used RTX 3090. Which is what I run for a while. A RTX 4070 Ti Super would also be plenty, imho. On AMD side I’d definitely get the 7900 XT (non-XTX). But yay if you have the budget you can splurge on a 4080 or 4080 Super, but the 4090 is DEFINITELY too much :)

[@d.r3852]

@@ImWateringPSUs thx for the answer :) normal i play on 144hz games like hell drivers 2 or world or warcraft, dont want to buy the newest cards :) but thx too all for the info! :)

[@Xilent1]

@@cason. What PSU do you have or recommend for the 4080 SUPER? 5800x3D, 32gb RAM, 2TB NVME, if that matters. Maybe some OC, but nothing crazy or needed.

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

i live my 4090. i mostly have it to play 4k120 on my LG C1. i dont really need it though. you can save a lot of money here.

[@silfrido1768]

theres no way you got 0 performance uplift going from a 3090 to a 4090. there's something thats not configured properly in terms of components / bios.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Unfortunately I actually got 0 performance uplift, the only thing that increased are the 1% low fps. Obviously I’m talking about my specific usecase, playing at 3440x1440 at 100Hz: things would be different on a 240Hz 1440p monitor!

[@little_fluffy_clouds]

@@ImWateringPSUsI went from a 3080 Ti to a 4090 and it’s at least twice as fast in everything, if not more, on my 1440p ultrawide 144 Hz monitor. Also, it’s way way faster in productivity apps such as Blender and DaVinci Resolve. The difference is night and day, the 4090 is a beast.

[@NexGenTek]

I got a crazy up lift I’m playing everything at over 140fps and dlss 3 looks mint on my QD Oled 240hz

[@silfrido1768]

@@ImWateringPSUs I’m gonna be using it for 1080p competitive low lol. I can’t believe the day has come that I will have a 4090

[@callatic5025]

I kind of had to get one for my 8k 57 inch monitor lol, needed something to power that beast lol

[@ImWateringPSUs]

AHAHAHAHAH I’d say you’re definitely the target audience for the RTX 4090 lol

[@WasLostNow_Found]

They should make a 24gb 4080 super oc

[@CunningStuntsGoFast]

i wanted the samsung g9 57 inch since it came out . my pc with the 3080 in it is giving up and crashing often . now i gonna buy the smasung , and to run anything on ultra i need a 4090 i see as it got 40% more fps wich you need with so many pixels .

[@metalheaddw05]

It's not 40% more performance. In some games its 2x or 100%

[@milordas]

when you'll see the games in 60fps with 4090, you'll definetly understand that lower cards would be even worse

[@PlayWithMePlease]

I can afford 4090 and I want the best of the best. Not mediocre.

[@m0rph3u5.]

if you ask every flight simmer that uses VR, they will quickly tell you that 4090 is the way, especially for Pimax Crystal, Varjo Aero and even Quest 3. Same applies to Wireless VR

[@ImWateringPSUs]

For VR flight simulation, I think you might have a point. But even there, I’d argue that a RTX 4080 Super, especially if tweaked/overclocked, comes veeery close to the RTX 4090 in terms of overall gaming experience :)

[@selforganisation]

So for stable diffusion it's still worth it, right?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yes. But only if you need THAT much computing power per say. And also on some instances it might be better to run 2xRTX 3090 and get a total of 48GB of available VRAM :)

[@aaagaming2023]

@@ImWateringPSUs Stable diffusion cant run 2 gpu's in parallel unless you use SwarmUI, but even then its limited to image generation.

[@Jake-um4gg]

Idk man. I have a 3080Ti. I have 4 monitors, my gaming is an ultra wide and the 3080ti just isn’t cutting it.

[@Camishere2040]

Don't know if you brought a 4090 but stick with the 3080ti if you can only because the 5000 series will be out very soon and you will kick yourself with the amount of money you could possibly save. I too have a 3080ti and feel the same but I don't want to pay that price for the performance I'll wait.

[@thelemonwho]

About to buy my second 4090... yup, I'm what you might call a rebel.

[@Bilbobaggins82242]

I mean let's be real non of this is needed but that's not why we look at a 90.. My 1080 fe overclocked is still running modern games 4k 60-100fps most high to max settings (no ray or super obviously) But if I move to the 4090 as I plan il then get 100fps min 4k + ray trace ext I have had a acer pred 21:9 4k 100hz since 1080 released and it's mad how well it's held up so I'm confident the 4090 will get me another 6+ years

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yay I definitely agree that’s a card for enthusiasts and that one buys for peace of mind. But even talking about future proofing, I think economically it would be better to just buy a 70 or 80 tier card and upgrade it every 2 gen

[@michaelangst6078]

I call pure BS on this, but lying on the internet is cool I guess

[@jmed753]

Idk why people buy a 4090 card and then play games with dlss or frame generation on, like if a game needs it to run on a 4090 then that game is trash

[@mgaming7]

don't buy ANY 4000 series card in 2024. Half of them are fire hazards and the 5000 series will come out by end of year and make the 4000 series look like a joke.

[@blessboybeats]

Cope

[@dano1242]

Eh upgrade from my GTX 960 😅 4080s

[@ImWateringPSUs]

To be honest aside from some of the RTX 4090s at launch, the fire hazard thing has never been a true issue😅 I don’t think one can outright dislike a whole lineup, I’m just arguing that there are cards with better value for money than a RTX 4090 at the moment!

[@CaptainScorpio24]

i bought 4070 ti super eagle oc at launch 😊. keep waiting fir 5070 for 1.5 yes

[@monster9490]

What if I’m looking to buy a pc ? What should I get?

[@blakehatton]

why is everyone saying this, yes its expensive, yes its way better.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Yes, however there are better value cards out there that are not too far off depending on the usecase! Like the 4080 Super or an used RTX 3090

[@blakehatton]

yeah i get that price to performance ratio but yall act like its terrible@@ImWateringPSUs

[@tazz1226]

bro 140hz is fucking old timer, also, if u can spend 2500 grand for a single gpu device, u prolly can spend 600$ on a 240 hz or more monitor

[@alessandromontemurro195]

Spero che la prossima lineup di nvidia offra una scheda con almeno 16 GB di VRAM e le prestazioni della 4090, un po' come la 4070 Ti per la 3090 (ma con 4GB in più). Ho una TV OLED 120Hz comprata nel 2020 che non ho mai potuto sfruttare a pieno con la mia 2080 Super 😢

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Speriamo, secondo me la 5070 Ti sarà la scheda che farà competizione alla 4090. I 16GB di VRAM secondo me saranno garantiti. La 2080 Super comunque è un’ottima scheda, in particolare se overclockata/undervoltata :)

[@steverichards3911]

360hz oled 2k res yeah i need a 4090.... broo about time you get new monitors lol

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Weeeeell yes you do need it😂 But not many people have such a demanding monitor :) A lot of people buy them to use with 1080p panels

[@arjanvink9361]

Just bought a 4090 Founders Edition this morning lol.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

It’s still a very good card, the best out there. I think it’s a little bit overkill for most usecases, but if financially it makes sense for you, you won’t be disappointed :)

[@arjanvink9361]

@@ImWateringPSUs thx for your positive reply, i do fully understand your statement and you are completely right. But it was funny to see your video-headline pop up just after i bought it.

[@moebiusSurfing]

for stable diffusion, what about 2 x RTX 3090 (used) vs RTX 4090? ;)

[@ImWateringPSUs]

2xRTX 3090 bought used would set you back roughly 1200 bucks and perform better than the 4090! Cheaper and better, even if you spend a little more on your PSU I think it would definitely be worth it ;) Especially now that non-ATX-3 PSUs are so cheap! Great question :)

[@keylanoslokj1806]

But SLI is not supported anymore right?

[@stephengrinaker5085]

hes talking about using them for ai stuff. dont need sli@@keylanoslokj1806

[@moebiusSurfing]

@@keylanoslokj1806 it's different. Only some apps uses the full memory and power

[@Glau-T-900]

Ehh I’ll stick to the 4070 TI super I don’t even play multiplayer games mostly single player games

[@DETERMINOLOGY]

The logic, Don't buy a RTX 4090 but yet you have one? For people that doesn't wanna keep upgrading gups every generation the 4090 is a beast of a gpu, The 5090 will prob cost close if not more then 2k and the performance from the 4090 to 5090 won't be worth it in my opinion. If the 4090 comes down in price or you can find a good one, NICE

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Well I test out all kinda of hardware but that’s because I’m a PC builder😅 Which is also why I make recommendations, since I try a lot of stuff. But ofc, everything is nuanced and one can disagree. Even talking about future-proofing and upgradability, I’d argue that unless you’re playing at 4k 144Hz or 1440p 280Hz, a RTX 4080 Super would be future proof enough. That’s the card to get on the high end at the moment, in my opinion!

[@markod7662]

Maybe triple screen 1440p sim racing in assetto corsa competizione ( which is a demanding game) would require a 4090?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Multi monitor is definitely a valid point! But even there in Assetto it would depend on your refresh rate. If you’re truly playing competitive then you’d be playing with low details and a lot of the load would be more towards the CPU imho!

[@markod7662]

@@ImWateringPSUs You are right, i saw one pro playing iRacing on triple 1080p monitor of 27 inch if not bigger. When we get in this upper class, rationality is lost. Some will just have to get latest and greatest. And it is also about bragging rights. I am on 7800xt and 1440p.

[@livb4139]

i'm getting a 4090 for vr and AI

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That’s a good usecase! If budget isn’t an issue and you need the 24GB of VRAM, it’s a good buy. But an used RTX 3090 with 24GB VRAM is 600 bucks and a 3090 Ti is roughly 700👀

[@livb4139]

@@ImWateringPSUs Update on this: It arrived today and I couldn't be happier with it. I had a RX 7900xtx (which I returned) and although they're 20%ish close in flat games in VR is more like 40% I notice a huge difference and now my gpu and cpu are sorta evened out (checking frametimes with fpsvr) Can finally mantain constant 90 fps on vrchat

[@Einuhreins]

Why not? Its a burner!

[@Revealingstorm.]

I got a gigabyte 4090 for free from a friend so no purchase necessary

You bought an OC? Why? That's quite literally a scam.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I got it for reaaaaally cheap

[@moretromain]

What's this title and who's this dude ? If you need raw power and can afford it at the end of 2024, just go for it. Nvidia's lineup ain't cheap, they're greedy, you'll pay a premium, but you'll get what you came for as of today. If you plan to game at 4k or ultra-wide with decent perfs, that's the way to go! enjoy!

[@filipmitrovic1342]

What motherboard do u suggest for I5 13600k

[@7eave1]

a B760 Tomahawk or a Z790 if you want to overclock

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Sooo the 13600K isn’t actually as demanding of a CPU. A very good B760 would be plenty if you don’t plan on overclocking and especially considered that you can still tweak the CPU via undervolting (I have a dedicated video). The Tomahawk is good but also any good mid tier B760 would be plenty. (Asus Prime, Asrock Steel Legend etc)

[@filipmitrovic1342]

@@ImWateringPSUs Atm i got 610m H DDR4 and i3 12100f rtx 3070but its doesnt keep with new games anymore, so im going to update motherboard and cpu and add more ram. Im gonna see which one of these which you have suggested! Thanks

[@filipmitrovic1342]

@@7eave1 good option for upgrade

[@dieaking6475]

Dont buy the rtx 4060 dont buy the rtx4070 dont buy the rtx4080 dont buy the rtx4090. i Hate reviews. What i have Desktop : i7 7800xt nitro + 4TB m.2 4TB sshd 1TB m.2 32gb ram Laptop : i9 4070 140w 5tb m.2 32gb ram

[@Cruicky92]

I have a r7 7800x3d and the rtx 3090 suprim x its great

[@rushilphogat]

I am watching this video after buying rtx 4090😢

[@Chemike21]

I need this to run an 11 year old game

[@CaptainScorpio24]

bro get urself 5950x or 5800x 3d chip.. or latest 7800x3d setup.. yuhr 4090 is having a big CPU bottleneck 😢

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I did make builds with all three these chips, two of them are the previous Friday Builds I bring on the channel lol. Unfortunately even with them, unless you’re playing at 1080p 360Hz or something, you’re gonna be wasting a lot of the RTX 4090 potential!

[@CaptainScorpio24]

@@ImWateringPSUs yes i got myself 70 ti super... ahich is equal to yoir 3090 ti. it future proofs my 1440p 144hz 27inch display. for 4090 one needs two or more CPU generation. even i9 14900k bottlenecks it at 4k

[@tordb]

Laptop gaming has always been terrible. And never knew why people just didn't buy a desktop for LESS money than a gimpy laptop that can barely run a 20 year old game like world of warcraft on a misnamed laptop 4090 that should have been a 4070.

[@xxace7ezxx909]

Got a 4090 on Xmas for myself, and I’ll probably get a 5090 or a 5090ti when it comes out. Am I part of the reason why nvidia is charging ppl up the ass for gpu’s? Yeah… Do I care? Sorta?!? Idk lol.

[@TomsTech94]

Wait for a 5080 more powerful than a 4090 but cheaper

[@TomsTech94]

For anyone thinking of changing from a previous gen to 4000 series wait for a 5080 or 5000 series as more power and cheaper

[@TomsTech94]

Whats crazy to think is one day there will be budget gpus with more power than a 4090 like imagine years from now a 6060 more powerful than a 4090 Like a future mid range gpu more powerful than a previous gen top tier gpu because of technical and technological advancements

[@fatjawns3671]

Just wait for 50 series atp 😂

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Agreed! Even though they don’t seem to be very close in terms of release date, to be honest. But the RTX 4080 and RTX 4080 Super are a far better choice imho

[@OC.TINYYY]

Just wait for 60 series. This logic makes zero sense, unless it's 1 or 2 months before launch of the new one. It makes no logical sense to wait. It'll still sell for the same resale value than if you had bought it 1 year beforehand. If you have buyers remove nearly a full year out from the 50 series, you shouldn't be spending that kind of money in the first place.

[@fatjawns3671]

@@OC.TINYYY or just wait for 50 series because you’ll get better price to performance 😂 I’m not talking about people who are building a PC now I’m talking about those who want to upgrade…

[@Masteradamant]

That's the boat I'm on now lol. Because why build a PC where it's unwelcomed?

[@MrDanwilliams]

But what about the 1% lows! That's something to think about.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Ahahahaha that’s definitely a good point! That’s why if you’re playing competitively I can understand the argument, but very few people need their 1% low FPS to be at 240😂

[@MrDanwilliams]

I agree with you@@ImWateringPSUs. Some people just can't tell the difference. I just helped a guy buy a GPU and he ended up going with an RTX 4070 (which is the only bang for buck current gen Nvidia card BTW), but paired it with a Ryzen 3400G CPU. I showed him how many frames he was losing, and basically wasting money. All he cared about was whether the few games he ran worked better than before, which to be fair they did! Each to their own eh? At least he has an upgrade path with a 5800X or X3D in the future for example.

[@healthyasmr9246]

FPS bro, more

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That’s a fair point😂

[@shao7306]

Why not??

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Watch the video😭

[@rybarry]

4:20 RTX 4070 Ti is the best card of 4000 series? Can anyone explain this to me please?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Absolutely! Of course I was talking about the pre-Super lineup, now the best value card in my opinion is the RTX 4070 Super. Basically the RTX 4070 Ti beats the RTX 3090 for a very cheap price and it has TWO encoders, just like the RTX 4090. This is a key difference for streaming and production usecases. All in all it was the best value card imho, I’ve discussed it more in depth in the previous builds I’ve used it in, on the channel

[@gavinferrao]

Rtx4090 fe for 700? Where?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

I was talking about a RTX 3090 FE, which to be fair nowadays can be had for 600 even. Prices are falling

[@eugyy88]

What about vr?

[@ImWateringPSUs]

Solid point. VR is HEAVY. But with a “normal” headset like a Rift S you really won’t need anything more than a RTX 3090

[@iamSamOfficial]

thanks for explaining

[@Denis92Gottlobeanu]

Expensive Hardware not making you a much better Player , for sure 144 Hz is a good point but a lot of little kidis that look on your video they think they need right now a 4090 to play 360 hz and be a Pro. Best Example look at TGLTN Pubg what he had for a PC and he Dominates with that PC all the 3090 and 4090 Players.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That’s not what I say at all though! I am recommending against buying a RTX 4090 and my channel is based around making budget builds for very cheap that will allow you to play competitively still lol

[@kahlernygard809]

​@@ImWateringPSUsfunny as hell that he didn't even listen or watch your video and just started hating on you 😂

[@Gamez4eveR]

I agree. I have a 4k120 display. I'm quite happy with the 4090. In fact, I'm looking forward to the 5090. For 4K, the 4090 is a paradigm shift. Finally, most AAA experiences with ray tracing run with 1% lows of >60FPS. I will be more than happy if this kind of performance can be had for sub800 euros with upcoming GPUs.

[@ImWateringPSUs]

That’s definitely the right usecase for it and makes you appreciate the big performance jump in it properly. Do you have an Oled display? 4k 120Hz Oled is craaaazy! Let’s hope so about next gen. I don’t think it’s gonna be sub 800 though, probably around the 1000$ mark tbh

[@Gamez4eveR]

@@ImWateringPSUs Yep, LG C1 (lucked out and got the later revision that had the same panel as C2, so more resistant to burn-in). Absolutely love it. Old games also look stunning on it, I had my jaw drop from some scenes in Thief 2. around 1k mark for 4090 performance would also be very impressive!

[@MrAnimescrazy]

​@@Gamez4eveRwhat are your pc specs?

[@Gamez4eveR]

@@MrAnimescrazy 5600X, 32GB RAM, 4090. Waiting for something better than 7800X3D to upgrade

[@MrAnimescrazy]

@@Gamez4eveR ok I have my first all white build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 in the white phanteks nv7 case. The pc is a beast and I make sure to deep clean the pc once a month. I am also looking forward to the 5090 and the next x3d cpu's. I also have a 65 inch lg c1.

[@madzangels]

Buy a 4070ti for half the price

[@Putridd_]

Don't buy a 4090, but shows off the 4090 😅

[@brettcoles5262]

Do dont buy a 4090 for 1440p as it a 4K card , end of story

[@ImWateringPSUs]

For gaming, I 100% agree! One might argue though that even at 4K it’s not really needed, unless you’re playing at 144Hz. Also I guess that technically if you’re playing at 1440p 280Hz you’d need one😂