Do Not Buy a Vintage Rolex Datejust

[@Sonolyze]

Not convincing enough. Still buying my first Datejust this year.

[@ThiHaGadgets]

Did you buy it?

[@kelvinhau7320]

@@ThiHaGadgets I bought one it is kindof dissapointing I got to admit. Got a 1966 1601 with no bracelet or box and papers for 3500

[@ThiHaGadgets]

@@kelvinhau7320 oh man. Those are not cheap. May I know why it was disappointing?

[@kelvinhau7320]

@@ThiHaGadgets take a look at my Instagram- @watchclubmember

[@Rafa-yw8nu]

@@kelvinhau7320 it doesn’t look like it disappoints you from your Instagram. Maybe it’s the brown leather band? It’s a great watch overall.

[@liamdonaldson182]

This has made me want to buy a vintage datejust even more

[@RJ-qo9ic]

I agree !!!

[@BeautyByChristina]

If you did buy you’ll now know it was an investment 😂💯

[@alexclemente9233]

😂😂😂

[@keithkahn6838]

I bought a 1991 Datejust and I have no remorse. I have not regretted the purchase at all.

[@wordtruth6116]

1991 Datejust is a classic. I like it better than the new one. Less bling more class.

[@donaldtrump1464]

Reasons not to buy starts at 3:38 . You're welcome

[@JohnPWatches]

Thanks Donny

[@AlmostGod007]

Thank you so much .... I love such useful comments

[@donaldtrump1464]

right? imagine wasting 3min 38 seconds of your life just waiting for the thing you clicked the video for,

[@mar1b0ro]

Waffle bollox

[@ryanchen307]

The worst thing is that I didn't make it to 3:38, I just went as far as 3:00, and I am here . And I don't wanna watch it . I just wanna leave a comment and ditch the video

[@a.c.5509]

Everything you said is applicable to all vintage pieces, not only to datejusts.

[@JohnPWatches]

Yes sir! I had to make it on the Datejust because believe it or not, this scenario about first time Rolex buyer is very common. I see it once every few weeks.

[@noerodriguez4380]

He addressed it because he’d explained how he gets a lot questions on the watch especially by those new to vintage watches

[@mauriciomucino1015]

@@JohnPWatches Wonder if this happens with the Speedy Pro

[@neil4701]

Except that non-Rolex vintage watches of comparable quality often cost a fraction of the price...

[@MasterOfNone88]

The main problem is that you think men want a modern looking Rolex...sometimes that is not the case. Vintage is in lil homie.

[@yungbuq4679]

1965 mustang-2016 mustang .. there’s a difference what’s your point buddy

[@pepe_gomez]

If you are going to use your datejust for alot of physical activity DONT!!! get one with a saphire crystal. The crystal sits higher than the bezel and break easily, I am a watchmaker and fix many with this problem. We have to service the whole watch because many times pieces of the crystal go to the movement through the date window, and many times scratch the dial. Also...their is no comparing a vintage pie pan dial to a flat one. If the bracelet is an issue, buy a stainless steel jubilee on ebay for 20dlls. And put the authentic one away in case you ever sell your watch. This seamed like a good video but lacks important information

[@Redonepunch]

I really don't like how shiny and jewelry like new Rolexes are. Vintage datejust look so much nicer for me

[@TehRealRsNerd]

Why wouldn’t you want a brand new luxury watch to resemble jewelry? Fascinating

[@Redonepunch]

@@TehRealRsNerd It's just preference. I find something like the Tudor Pelagos a lot more attractive than a new Submariner. It's a tool watch that feels high quality and luxurious without feeling like jewelry.

[@blakelisser1936]

Well my guy, I’m the opposite! I prefer shiny

[@Bteebz]

Man Christian from Theo & Harris will not take this video kindly 😂

[@Bobsbargainbasement]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Youcantleavethisempty01]

Who cares what he thinks. So glad I unsubbed from T&H. Never seen a more pretentious dude in my life.

[@EverDayBest]

He has no taste.

[@colmfarrel4742]

@@EverDayBest He has no taste? How can someone who's into Cartier and vintage datejust's have no taste?

[@EverDayBest]

I approve of the Cartiers, not the vintage DJs

[@salangchoi02]

I think nothing wrong with vintage datejust, but the problem for me is the sellers who charge 3-4 grand for bit-up garbage examples like T&H.

[@noerodriguez4380]

You’re buying the Rolex name which is never cheap along with the wide variations of dials and configurations, besides you’ll never find a vintage Datejust that’s much less then 3 grand and I’m sure he’s still gotta make a profit of the watch someway

[@saxophone.4513]

Top Tip. Don't buy a vintage Datejust with all the faults mentioned, wait for a nice one to come along, there are thousands of them out there.

[@-ZELTHELD-]

the old watches have and had charisma, the new ones are round like an apple watch.

[@blazinmark1]

Drinking Game: Take a shot every time he says "Vintage DateJust"

[@diegoog3654]

@@bobbykotick1163 -doesn't get jokes/Vintage Datejust owner

[@bobbykotick1163]

@@diegoog3654 doesnt get that 'take a shot' jokes' arent funny when they are about the main topic.

[@diegoog3654]

@@bobbykotick1163 -thinks we live in North Korea, and "unauthorized laughter" is banned LMAO

[@crossbones8956]

Ok, so I’m going to get my first Rolex this year, and I want a 1601. Your points are valid. I’m not arguing that, but this video is definitely for someone who is new to watches. Anyone who’s been around for more that 5 years and has gone down the rabbit hole of this hobby, would know all this. I like the charm of an older watch, and I find that buying used or vintage has more appeal. The new Rolex are nice, but they lack the charm of a vintage. Also, you can get a vintage DJ with sapphire, you just need to get one that’s not as old. I think the 1603’s have sapphire. On the point of getting a new 36, that’s good if you can even get one. The only way you’re getting one now is if you have a long buying history with an AD, and even then you’re going to be on a waitlist. After that, you need to go to the grey market where you’re going to end up spending over retail. That’s just not a smart option. I’ll go with the vintage where I have more options and can shop around for the best deal.

[@micalweisberg27]

What about a 26mm ? Im thinking about buying one. Its a 1984. Ty

[@williamcoolidge9884]

Click bait title!! I came here ready to give you a thumbs down but your content was actually reasonable. I agree that people need to know what they're getting into before buying a vintage Datejust and you explained the potential downsides. Personally, I think buying the 162XX version of the Datejust is ideal. It has a sapphire crystal, oyster case, and 3135 movement. And the price is still really good. I have a 16234 and I love it.

[@JohnPWatches]

Excellent point.

[@lecorsaire2283]

William Coolidge There is another major difference you’re missing. This applies to the Day-Date as well and is what makes the post 2000 ones look modern. The fully polished case and lugs.

[@binhcity]

For Datejust. Jubilee bracelet are good in models 1980s and up (info as in -don’t get a jubilee type in model younger than the 80s. **Just trust me on this) Sapphire glass used in models 1990s and up Rolex uses 904L steel used in models around 2004 and up New jubilee bracelet used in models 2009 and up New jubilee bracelet clasp in models 2017 and up Datejust II are models from 2009 -2015 Datejust 41 are models from 2017 to present Tips: want vintage? - aim for the models in 1985-1989. Skip the 90s! Want modern? 904 steel and precious gold less likely to have corrosion. Aim for models 2004 and up. Good luck 😀

[@IcejjfishTbone]

I'm going to save up maybe $5-6 grand and get a newer date just (1985-modern)

[@Barmeester]

I love my 1603. - Engine turned bezel isn't made anymore. - Plexi is sexy - Jubilee is light and comfortable - It's cheaper

[@MrBloopt]

I love my 1500!

[@canerbatman2303]

It’s not “cheap”.. It’s still a lot money.

[@M00Nfr]

watching this in 2022 hearing about 2-3k budget. makes me want to cry

[@WaystarRoycoInc]

I want to clarify some points that you mentioned. Firstly what we call vintage rolex are made by only hand not any robotic machine as today so it gives much more precise and uniqeness. Secondly imagine the old cars or old cottons in fashion industry made years ago, they are so good because they hadn’t implemented any cheap materials that makes production cost much less today. Actually I want to explain much more but unfotunately language barrier makes me use simple words :) sorry. Last but most important thing is the marketplace keepers especially brands force us to buy new things. We need to think that are those new watches will last 30 years and keep their durability. Vintages proved that and they still precise. A mechanic never brokes if it is well lubricated and used carefully. Thank you.

[@nowhere618]

Perfectly explained. Can young people even understand that?

[@waynehargreaves932]

Hi I am in the process of buying my first Rolex. I am thinking of buying a new date just the Wimbledon is it a good buy

[@CaptainCreampie69]

Wayne Hargreaves Yes, it’s a great watch. The only part of Rolex that is garbage is the Chellini collection.

[@californiaweight]

I got a 2001 ROLEX DATEJUST 16233 “NO HOLES CASE” DIAMOND DIAL-bracelet is 80% good..BUT SOON ILL BE PURCHASING A ROLEX DAY-DATE 18238 DOUBLE QUICKSET-OR A NEW 2 TONE GMT-OR 2 TONE SUBY--THE NEW 2 TONES WILL BE NEW TO ME BECAUSE OR LARGER CASE SIZE--SO IM EXITED

[@JohnPWatches]

Congrats! Wear it in good health!

[@Thevoiceofreason84]

I brought 2 vintage datejusts when younger returned both when as you stayed realised I wanted the only Rolex I could afford never truly trusted them 100 % for completely genuine fast forward years and brought brand new 114060 no date steel sub , the only watch I’ll ever need , love it ! Morale of the story your time will come don’t settle for second best

[@matt1315s]

I love vintage Datejusts I own 2 of them. You just have to know what your getting into. For new collectors, I would recommend buying new first or at least preowned. Buying a vintage Rolex can be a risk if your buying from a unknown dealer. So buy from someone who really knows vintage Rolex and has a great reputation.

[@hypotheekberekenenhq]

Many Rolex watches on Chrone24 are sold without original papers and box. Why? So when you buy a new Rolex the first thing is you do to put the Rolex papers in the shredder and the box in the bin?

[@dippin1523]

I could never figure that out. something that valuable and throw out papers and box? hmmmmm. something not right there.

[@eugeniozanda7230]

HAHAHAHAHA ...! Here is yet another superficial charlatan who has no idea what the real concept of quality is..! In the 70s, it took almost a year to complete the creation of a DJ, also because it was finished by hand in numerous phases...Today watches (including Rolex) are almost entirely produced with sophisticated laser machinery, and when they leave the factory they have a high level of manufacturing perfection but no craftsmanship, to confuse this with quality is to be ignorant of what quality really is...As a white-haired expert and owner of vintage and modern Rolexes, I can tell you that vintage is even superior to modern, but it would take a long time to explain why...

[@Chris-mm5gi]

Good thoughts on what to expect going vintage vs modern. One point that was overlooked is Rolex’s tendency (and sometimes requirement) to replace big components during a factory service. It’s possible to go vintage but get a watch with a recent service that looks close to new but which still shows some charm from the years/miles on it still. I recently picked up a birth year (1983) datejust with a gorgeous silver service dial and a clean date disk that combines (for me) both aspects of what I would want in my “perfect” datejust (vintage looks and heritage, without unpleasant damage and with the assurances that come with a recent Rolex service). It’s an interesting sector of Rolex collecting since true vintage hounds tend to turn up their nose at service replacement parts in a vintage watch. But for a customer wanting heritage, reliability, and beauty, you can find interesting options if you look around.

[@CptnWinkee]

Bought my Datejust 1601 two years ago and love it more and more every day

[@ullonborre1337]

Pretty much all you said applies to my datejust however, it has been worn by two generations before me so it’s part of the charm

[@museumandtravel]

can you buy an affordable watch with a good stainless steel bracelet? example certina, tissot, citizen, casio, everyone complains about Seiko but what about watches between $100-$500

[@JohnPWatches]

Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with that category. I'll look into it, thanks.

[@kelvinhau7320]

I’m not buying a modern Rolex. Vintage is where the money is

[@gabrielsanchezrodriguez7721]

For me buying a vintage Rolex it’s like buying a piece of history. Does’nt matter if it has different quality compare to modern Rolex manufacture. You buy it because it’s beautiful, you have to appreciate the old first because there is where they started. For me it does’nt matter the quality. You can’t compare a brand new watch to a 70’s or 80’s watch. Im still buy a vintage Rolex to begin my journey in this watch world 👍🏼

[@betspath]

I have a 1979 datejust. Is it waterproof?

[@DEXVD]

Any vintage watch essentially becomes a de facto dress watch. It doesn't matter if its a Sea Dweller or a Datejust. As the parts to service these watches become rarer or irreplaceable, often these watches loose the durability or water resistance they once have. My vintage Rolex watches have been serviced by RSC and are supposedly water resistant at their original ratings but if anything happened, the replacement of damaged original parts like the dial and hands would significantly decrease the value of the watch and much of the charm it may have held as a vintage piece. Its like having a vintage Land Rover, you aren't going to take it rock crawling with modern Jeeps, you are more likely to spend your time with it at car shows or polishing it or using it to do things a Honda Civic could accomplish (staying on maintained road ways). With vintage prices coming close to meeting or often exceeding the cost of new, you have to make a conscious decision that you value the aesthetic of a vintage watch over the function and versatility of a new piece. I built a collection of all vintage watches but it has become a point of annoyance for me to own over a dozen high end swiss watches but nothing I can wear in the pool or to the beach or during any activity that may damage one of these pieces. Its motivated me to start paring down my vintage pieces to make room for some versatile modern pieces that may lack aesthetic or story but will provide more function while still communicating my appreciation for horology.

[@EverDayBest]

I've never understood the people who care about watches being waterproof. I just don't wear a watch if I know I will be going swimming.

[@DEXVD]

I suppose the utility of higher water resistance is related to the amount of time you spend in or around the water. If you sail, row, kayak or participate in other watersports in your free time or spend a lot of time at the beach, pools or hot tubs, than to always be removing your watch for all of these activities could leave you spending a lot of time outside of your workplace or home without your watch. If you are more of an indoorsy type than sure a vintage watch or dress watch makes a lot more sense for your lifestyle, you won't gain significant benefit from having a watch with water resistance. For the indoorsy type that still likes the look of a sports watch a vintage sports watch or something like that 38mm Panerai with 30m water resistance could make sense.

[@EverDayBest]

True. I generally like 1940's - 1960's dress watches on straps. I am an active person in shape but don't do any watersports. From my observation, I have a feeling that a large proportion of the people interested in water proofing aren't necessarily going to get any use out of it, but rather peace of mind.

[@zzeuss87]

@@EverDayBest That is probably true.

[@tomkhong9828]

The main difference is vintage datejust carries history and rode through time. Every vintage watch tells a story. That’s why people are buying them, they are buying history too.

[@taskmaster51]

As a professional watchmaker...you pretty much get what you pay for until you get REALLY old Rolex, such as a bubble back, in which case you will pay a lot of money for a watch that doesn't work well. My concern with vintage watches is parts availability and movement design. There are some movements I wont touch like the 1161. As for vintage datejust designs, parts are available though most will be after market and the watch itself is designed with the watchmaker in mind and are a dream to work on. Just be careful of what you buy

[@benross2901]

This video is silly. A vintage Datejust is a thing of beauty, we all realize it is not a modern timepiece when entering the market for an older watch based on price and time gone by. One of the worst reviews I've seen.

[@waltersmith3926]

You make some good points. Your content is balanced and rant free. Perspective is the key. As is the case with vintage cars, modern tends to outperform vintage. But sometimes vintage just looks so cool. I have a vintage 1973 .750 gold Oyster Perpetual. The case is 34 mm. It has the original Rolex lizard strap with the Rolex buckle. It is a classic dress watch. Now days watches are larger and less understated. But the times, they are a changin'. This watch touches all the bases for me. And it cost significantly less than a brand new Rolex with same setup. I prefer the vintage look most of the time.

[@karimelzein9115]

One more thing guys.... The thing about vintage watches is that you cant help but feel their fragility. I received my 1986 DJ today. I am in love with it but oh boy oh boy if anything were to happen to it it would cost a fortune to repair. The bracelet is like a wizard's sleeve, the screw down crown needs to be tightened strongly or it just springs out (Dunno if thats normal) and when i adjusted the date it felt slippery, like i had to rotate more than normal to move onto the next number some times. Are all these problems normal? Is it possible that the bracelet breaks? Please help

[@mariosiaven2965]

Don't agree with most of your rationale here especially when you say the technological gap in quality between vintage and current models, yeah yeah, but when you compare prices say $ 2500 for an early 80s datejust and the $8-12K sticker for new then dollar per dollar it makes sense to go vintage I mean the Price gap is huge compared to the quality gap (just my opinion).

[@WC_Watch_Collector_Club]

For me all this considerations…. Dipends of price… and expectatives

[@john-carlosynostroza]

This is a great topic! I am into air-cooled Porsche and have been lucky enough to have been in the game since my late twenties. The older cars can't touch the new cars with regard to Performance or fit and finish... not even close...but they have some exceptional charm! I had the ability to buy a newer model when I first started doing the car thing and I almost did but I just fell in love with all of the imperfections of the Vintage model which I found quite interesting and now I could never go back. If I were to buy a new car it would probably be something like a performance Audi sedan and I was stick with the air-cooled Porsche as the toy. I think the combination of a vintage datejust with a modern diver or something like that could really fit the ticket for me! Great content and a unique video!

[@vanfja]

Maybe the old cars don’t have all the fancy computer aided driving and modern plush luxuries made by robots, but they have real style and original design. And you are driving them, without computer nonsense.

[@Devo6500]

Just bought mine for a song and am laughing at this fucking video now.

[@richardokeefe3943]

I bought my first datejust back in 1991 and it has been the best watch I've ever owned. It never broke down and I never had it serviced. Very strong durable watches.

[@BobbyPlane6252]

Nice! Is it still keeping time good?

[@richardokeefe3943]

It keeps great time. I never had a problem with the Watch. These watches are very reliable. Thanks for the response.😊

[@smartmad68]

A guy talking not to buy a vintage Rolex but wearing a lazy-made Cartier Roadster that he says its gonna be a classic!?!!!!? 🤣😂

[@rdrewhite]

Bought one from 1984 I have had it for over a year and love it. Get lots of compliments and it has doubled in value...soo yeah...

[@Visitor555]

Hi man, can you tell from wich years we need to watch when we talk about quallity for example 2000+ year or from wich year they are with higher quallity?

[@JohnPWatches]

Rolex always keeps up with the case quality of the time. For example a 1970s Datejust will be of quality then just as a 2019 Datejust will be of quality now. Though, even though I have some very early Datejusts which I do wear, after 1984-1985 will have sapphire crystal which generally modern or usual watch guys enjoy. Shoot past that point if it is you, and assume the newer the better as they continue to improve their brand.

[@Visitor555]

@@JohnPWatches I understand that and it have logic to be like this everyting improove with years but wich one for the price for example for oyster perpertual and datejust are good in your opinion if we buy second hand?

[@notDonaldFagen]

Depending how vintage you go, the drawbacks are rolled/cheap links, hollow end link, friction press clasp and non quickset and acrylic. And overpolished cases. I don't mind acrylic and can live with the clasp. If I can get solid end links and quick set date, I don't care much beyond that. I feel like either way, I'd have it on leather most of the time anyway.

[@ghill000]

Hi, what do u think about vintage DJ 26mm - S series (1990s) -> is it worth it for $3000? I dont know whether 90s watch is considered vintage or not, but this video makes me reconsider the purchase.

[@RoganBryan]

I agree. I have a DJ 16014 made in 1984 and a DJ 41 from 2020. They are like night and day for the difference in build quality. I love them both, but I wear the 41 more than the vintage one.

[@27juggernaut29]

What’s considered vintage?

[@philipyong6584]

Hi. I totally agree with you. But you forgot to mention one most important fact in this video. Modern rolexes or preowned 10 years old are luxury or status symbols. You just can not tell people you are wearing a luxury watch when your watch, eg. A vintage rolex, costs like us$ 2,000 to us $3,000 to buy and made in 70's or 80's (4:08). Also paying up to us $ 8,000 to us $ 9,000 for a new rolex watch gives you warranty. That is a piece of mind. My point is most people are more educated nowadays to know the difference in price between new and vintage 70's and 80's. Also how about a modern watch like a TISSOT, ORIS, HAMILTON and if you are willing to pay more, you can get a modern TUDOR 65 Black Bay and TUDOR is owned by ROLEX. If still can not afford a modern ROLEX in cash, you can always pay us $3,000 cash and financed it with a credit card.

[@terryc6420]

You forgot to mention some vintage DJ do not have quickset date. It is a PITA to wind the date from one side of the month to the other. Also, the waterproofness might be gone. I have one just like that - it was my father's daily. It's got a cool 70's vibe, but it is essentially a piece of mechanical antique.

[@JohnPWatches]

Good catch, if I mentioned all the differences, this would turn into a feature length film, hehe.

[@cesarecarminati2934]

How about a gold datejust 16018 from early mid 80s?

[@gavinducco7915]

Is a 2002 16234 white gold fluted bezel 3135 DJ Vintage? Because i think its the best 36mm next to the modern DJs.

[@JohnPWatches]

I can not consider a 2002 vintage now.

[@sevenpaulperalta929]

I just received my nearly NOS, 1988 Gold/Steel Datejust, with Box, Books, Papers, Casback sticker, and perfect bracelet. I also own a 2022 Submariner, and I still found the Datejust impressive! However, if you want a more durable daily driver, I would recommend a vintage Explorer or Oyster Perpetual first.

[@armyscopemonkey252]

Only downside is lack of a quick set date before 1979. Love my 1965 DJ 1603 and 78 1630.

[@xtravyx1]

just bought a 80's ss &18k date just, put a black mother of pearl diamond dial and a diamond bezel on it, and a new sapphire crystal. Fresh service and its a better than new watch. When you millennials want more than steel on your wrist, you'll want a date just.

[@kwbarrettjr]

Here’s the problem with this take. You could say the same about any high(er) end watch. I have a DJ 1601 and am in love with it. Of course the quality of a modern DJ is miles beyond that of vintage models. I also have a vintage Omega Seamaster Deville that is beautiful. Of course a modern Seamaster is of higher quality. If that was not the case Omega and a Rolex would not be the prized watch brands they are today. I got a sense of judgement from this video. As if the person looking to buy a vintage Rolex is simply buying what they can afford. As if buying a vintage Rolex is beneath a true collector. While I’m sure some people do buy them with that motivation. However, to assume that of every buyer is extremely arrogant IMO. People I know who buy vintage watches appreciate the history of the brand, of the model, or even of the individual piece.

[@josephmak7024]

On point 👌🏻

[@JamesDuncan1]

I'm on the fence between a 2000-2004 Datejust 16200 roman blue dial or a brand new black OP 39.

[@guillermocarmona943]

Tus argumentos son de un joven... Todo lo antiguo comparado con lo nuevo obviamente se vera un nivel mas bajo que lo nuevo. Pero el diseño es lo importante!! Compara un mercedes antiguo versus nuevo.

[@timur9429]

Actually I bought one three months ago and I love it even more from day to day. Okey yes I bought a pretty good condition Dj and overpayed a little bit but I love my 1600 and wouldn‘t change it to any modern Rolex. The open 6 and 9, the light jubilee and the overall proportions on the vintage one just do it for me. I agree on some of your points but at 2-3k the Dj is still a steel.

[@JohnPWatches]

I see what you did there ;)

[@hans.lankamp]

Do these points also count for the vintage/reissued timex marlins?

[@JohnPWatches]

At the price point, it is okay to have both :)

[@diedadieta]

buy a vintage one know.. 5k hold it for 5 year it's already 15k if you buy te right one

[@salvadorcano4494]

Sapphire crystal quickset datejust 36mm 16038 came out around 1978,79...

[@JohnPWatches]

Yes, the all gold models did introduce sapphire around this time, thanks for contributing. The others began in around 84, but there are some examples of the crystals being mixed in production in those years.

[@christophermichael5764]

What do you think about the Datejust reference 16234? Is it a safe by, in relation to the points mentioned in your video?

[@dippin1523]

it is

[@HellboyMcSplash]

I wonder how hard it is to get a 70s/80s datejust serviced.... don’t know if many shops around were i live would be able to service it

[@JuanRamirez-lr7ig]

Is a 2001 Datejust considered a vintage watch?

[@KT-000]

Why does the vintage jubilee bands feel so light and cheap compared to the latest DJ?

[@LesterLovesWatches]

I just pretended to be “that guy”, and went to Chrono24, looking at silver dial Datejusts filtered on two years, 1970 and 2015. The latter were almost all at least 50% pricier than the former. While I agree that the modern ones are better built, “that guy” has a budget, and must buy within the budget, so better to get into the hobby with vintage, at his budget, than not at all. I think you’re also underestimating the powers of discrimination of debutant collectors, who will go through photos and descriptions like a private eye to make sure the watch is for them. Sure, the pitfalls get deeper and wider, the more vintage you go, but you gotta start somewhere.

[@berrylee6787]

Great video. I just had the pins replaced and stretch fixed for 150 bucks in the USA. MY 16200 ROLEX CAME BACK NEAR PERFECT I had it serviced for 200 USD. TOOK only 2 weeks. Buffed and polished. Great video. Ask if you want the name of guy that did this work. Neal

[@ronaldchin-a-lien6222]

John can you elaborate on the technicals workings of a vintage datejust. I mean, will it run for another ten years or is it just as risky as buying an 30 year old car? And how accurate will it be ticking? I mean will it still give me the accurate time after 6 months or will I have to adjust the time every other week?

[@Jason-zu7kl]

What watch would you recommend in this price point?

[@JohnPWatches]

Depends on wrist size and if you want vintage or modern

[@benficaM8888]

what you said applies to ALL vintage watches. BUT i think vintage datejust are soo much more reliable than other vintage watches.

[@gregwalker4236]

excellent, excellent, excellent! as the owner of a 1974 two tone datejust i bought new and wore very sparingly you are spot on! it has never been serviced (it was only 400 dollars new!) and has major crystal scars, needs a new crown--threads are iffy if usable' the bracelet is foldover links with gold center links (jubilee). it has been in salt water and while still beautiful--definitely not a watch for a young buyer looking for years of service. a used watch is like a used car--get a new one from a real dealer unless you understand and can accept dissappointment--yes, they are much more expensive, and in my opinion not for most people unless you can pay cash!

[@allenmontrasio8962]

Too late, I did just that and I'm pretty happy with it.

[@JohnPWatches]

Congrats :)

[@andrewpeana]

Is buying a vintage 1601 for 2k and buying the dial you like a bad idea?

[@samyang793]

Datejust is one of the most Iconic look or design for Rolex watches. Vintage datejust keeps their values with time also. If purchased at the right price, they never lose value over time. Its a very hardy and versatile watch. Above are my view although I don't own a datejust. Thank you

[@GregJGreen]

My first DJ was an unexpected experience. A friend owed me $500 for rent and offered me his 1987 16253 to settle up. RSC told me the crystal, face and hands needed to be replaced, so I gave them the go-ahead. Total service price came to $1,350. The bracelet has a lot of sag to it, but I've no complaints about having a vintage Rolex that cost me only $1,850.

[@3rumaih]

well. based on my experience. you must buy a vintage Rolex. I bought 2 watches 1st one is 36mm 1603 stainless steel. costed me 1450$ "auction on ebay" 2nd one is 26mm gold plated 1960's. costed me 800$ "Rolex service center told me to get rid of it because there are no spare parts for it. but i kept it anyway because it's cheaper than an iPhone.

[@JoeGiz64]

Good analysis John...what is your view on picking up a Batman? Looks like the price has coming down although slightly...is this a long term collectible keeper in your opinion?

[@JohnPWatches]

Hi Joseph, it all really depends on the circumstances. For example, for someone that has ample expendable income, and likes the Batman, sure- I would recommend buying one now, wearing it, and holding it forever. Though, for someone that wishes to have one of two watches in their collection, and is not that into the Batman, I can not recommend it as there are more versatile watches on the market. This being said, I believe that certainly in 50 years, this watch will be one of the most desirable so long as Rolex and "vintage" are both going concerns. If you have Batman funds stashed away, and would like to take a 50 year gamble to see if you can outperform inflation- pick one up :)

[@patrolmanmalik3121]

Asked you said vintage Rolex vs new Rolex dj? Which be better if newer dj? Well here’s my opinion first 80’s to 90’ up to 2000 etc. they are good dj! But it’s depends on the conditions what you are buying? 2nd is how can you buy a new Rolex from the dealer ? It’s way too far waiting lists to buy! It’s like your dreaming winning a lottery to buy a new rolex! If there’s available any Authorize Rolex store why not to buy a new dj? Etc?

[@bokai5829]

Thanks for the advice. What about vintage Speedmaster vs modern Speedmaster. Is there any noticeable difference in quality (other than the bracelet)?

[@andrestenstrup1042]

My advise is if you buy vintage Rolex datejust. Start trying a 36 mm watch first. It does not have to be a Rolex. Rolex datejust with strap, feels/looks smaller than if it was on a bracelet. It is ok to buy cheap, but you can expect a full service of it, and if you do it at an AD, then it can be like new for perhaps 700 to 1.000 US dollars. The crystal can get some scrates, but they can be polished away, or a new crystal is about 50 - 75 dollars I think. The downfall of saphire crystal is that fingerprint often easely gets on a saphire crystal. Not on a plastic crystal. And the vintage Rolex after full service is 100 % waterresistant so you can swim with it, and service is only needed every 5 - 10 years. But is is important that the service is very good. Therefore I recemend it to be done at an AD that replace worn out parts, gets a new crystal, new crown and gasket, so it is 100 % warerrestant and runs within 3 - 10 sec a day. MIne from 1968 has 5 years straigh run + 4 t o + 6 sec a day. I expect it to runs fine for anouter 3 - 5 years before service might be needed. An AD give you 2 years watenry on the watch in Europe. I have however heard that many AD in the States won´t service vintage Rolex watches. Atleast I headt that a lot 30 years ago. I do not know about now.

[@michaelduran2141]

I own a 16220.it’s light, runs great, comfortable, unique bezel! Wouldn’t trade it for a new one.

[@MrSmallpops]

This video seems more like raising awareness of what to expect when buying any vintage watch rather than persuading people NOT to buy one. Vintage rolex are not 'cheap' by any stretch they may however be more cost effective than a newer model.

[@JohnPWatches]

It's really aimed at the new collector that sees Rolex advertisements, tries one on brand new at the AD, and expects a 1601 to be the same. Believe it or not, it happens very often.

[@mrdisco99]

People need to know what they're getting into before buying ANY watch, especially vintage. That's not specific to DateJusts. I've yet to hear a reason not to buy one if you know what you're buying and you have the money. I could understand if you were saying they are overvalued or there's something wrong with a DateJust that people aren't talking about... but everything you said applies to vintage watches in general. If you expect a modern watch when buying vintage, you deserve to be disappointed for not doing your research.

[@JohnPWatches]

I hope this video becomes part of the research for those new to watches.

[@WeAreTipped]

Thanks for this I was on the fence before. I’m on the waiting list now for the Rolex I really want.

[@sonofsolo69]

basically the argument is 30+ year old datejust is is poorer quality and will have more wear than a new one, like that isn’t obvious?

[@JohnPWatches]

It is not obvious to beginners or those that are not watch collectors. Not everyone wants to be collector, some people just want a Rolex- casual wearer. We still receive calls about this- people ask the difference.

[@sonofsolo69]

John P what’s next weeks video? Used car tyres have more wear than new car tyres and don’t look as good ?

[@johnamg2133]

I do love the saggy loose feel on my vintage rolexes my absolute favorite is the two tone turn o graph from 60-70s with a president brace

[@JohnPWatches]

It's charming right?

[@Shishio888]

Some people comment said this video is pointless but It’s not pointless it’s make sense for some people. I got a friend his dad is a Rolex vintage collector and every watch he buy he will do research on the watch history of the previous owner from the ad to make sure there no abuse from last owner and not badly treated watch . Also my other friend wanted to buy vintage Rolex because it’s cheap and I heard it’s was a 60s Rolex Dj. Dial and hands already wear off,hands already had Chip off with stain. Also the movement may not function well. Don’t buy this kind of watch just because it’s cheap. You will regret after buying it and down the road you will always heading down to service the watch.

[@miguelteixeira5438]

Datejust 1996 is good?

[@jeffreypengmunlee7380]

What if one can not afford a new DateJust?

[@aaronschen9896]

Love vintage datejusts, but not really a great value at 3500 for a nice one. 90s explorer seems like the cheapest way to get a modernish quality and sized rolex, if thats your thing

[@teeambird2079]

the beauty of the acrylic is you can polish it with polywatch and it sparkles like new. Just avoid overpolishing the cyclops

[@justinhendren540]

I have a date just 1985. Don’t feel I am sacrificing because it is not a newer watch. Young generation thinks everything must be better and faster and more innovative. It’s just a watch. Enjoy what one can afford. For most people, a Rolex old or new is not an achievable purchase. You suggest one should get a newer Datejust. Well, what if I can’t afford a newer one? Especially since they are overpriced in today’s market. Yes, the bracelet may not be so good, so change it out to a nice leather strap. Rolex looks great with a leather strap

[@Bung_Holio]

I just bought a 1980 16013 14K gold. Bracelet stretch is very minimal, but ya the jubilee is kinda cheap feeling, and the clasp is stamped. But the entire watch down to the bracelet and the dial and crystal looks brand new, not a stretch anywhere and the movement was serviced in 2019. I paid $3800 for a two tone Rolex so I don’t think that’s bad at all.

[@JohnPWatches]

Enjoy :)

[@jayc4715]

Is it an aftermarket bracelet

[@Fashionseesta]

Considering you can get a vintage 50-60% less, id say its reasonable to understand its not going to be the same...

[@emmetteal8027]

Your theory applies to every watch brand that started before 1980

[@yorkshire3939]

Late 80s datejust or brand new tudor?

[@CaptainCreampie69]

Yorkshire Save up and get a new two tone DJ with champagne dial and fluted bracelet. Tudor is trash brand.