Do Processors REALLY Sound Better than AVR's? | Marantz SR8015 vs AV7706

If you have every considered upgrading your AVR with separates (processor + amplifier), you've likely asked the question, "Is it worth it?" Today we will compare the Marantz SR8015 with the AV7706.
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[@jamesjeffley4926]

YES! They do! I just replaced my Marantz SR7013 with a Marantz AV8805. The level of detail and clarity - especially in my surround speakers - is quite noticeable. Thanks for the helpful videos.

[@Youthman]

Glad you enjoyed the videos and thanks for sharing your experience.

[@heimkinofande]

But this is a big step. I would compare the AV8805 rather with the SR8015.

[@yvesn58]

Combined with what amplifier?

[@jamesjeffley4926]

@@yvesn58 Emotiva HC-1 monoblocks for l/r/c Emotiva XPA3 Gen 3 and XPA 7 for surrounds.

[@chrisleep]

@@jamesjeffley4926 I’m interested in the same amp you’re using. Can you tell me what center and fronts you’re using?

[@Roo-n9j]

I used to do preprocessors and separate amps, but with the way the tech was advancing at the time, I decided to just to higher end AVR and switch them out every few years. I may have to revisit this. Love your channel and especially the enthusiasm you bring! Cheers from up here in the North

[@Youthman]

Flag ship AVR’s’s offer an incredible performance to value ratio. I was extremely impressed with the SR 8012 that I reviewed two years ago and also the SR 8015 that I recently reviewed. They both offer incredible performance.

[@shivanksarin6199]

@@Youthman absolutely love your reviews! As someone building a home theatre in India, your channel provides much needed inspiration!!! I'm considering the MarantzSR7015 with B&W704S2s and a 5.1.2 Atmos setup (tiny room, don't need more). What are your thoughts on the 7015 and do you think it's better going with a 5015+Poweramp for 2 channel listening? I'm stretched on budget, hence can't do better. Thanks again!

[@kd5135]

@@shivanksarin6199 I'm considering the same setup. Did you go with it?

[@davidolchewsky5365]

I totally agree with you about separates. I'm currently running a Marantz AV-8805 pre/pro with Cherry Amps. The sound is just super 'Sweet'. Also, it's not that I'm dissatisfied at all with the Marantz, but just would like to try something different in my second theater space, which is currently running an older Yamaha AVR - which does sound good; just looking to step it up a notch or two to get better channel separation and detail. Knowing the separates are so much better, as this video stated, I also know that different processors sound different (better) than others - due to their internal hardware as well as software differences. And no I'm not looking to spend the crazy $$$ for one of those 'higher end' pre/pros, but certainly around the cost of the AV-8805 and even perhaps a little more. Nice video, Michael! Was nice to hear that others could also hear the difference too.

[@sap1281]

I had been using a Marantz SR6012 in my HT. I thought it sounded pretty good when connected to my Emotiva XPA-11 amp. Just yesterday I got an AV7706, set it up real quick using all the same connections as the SR6012, and noticed a substantial improvement in clarity even without running Audyssey. It was a pretty noticeable step up, especially in the center channel which I was never really happy with before.

[@TarnishedGamer1]

Well dang, now I have to get separates once I upgrade to ATMOS. My wife is going to start banning your videos if you keep up with your amazing reviews!

[@Youthman]

Lol thanks. Honestly there are some fantastic AVRs out there, the SR8015 being one of them. No matter what you buy, there Will always be something bigger and better out there that you could upgrade to. At some point you have to decide what do you need to satisfy your home theater needs.

[@noelscionracerable]

@@Youthman honestly, this is like my car hobbies.. its never enough...lol

[@gaverstraat]

Hi there, I have become a follower of your videos and I have to say great! I have a question, rather a dilemma after seeing your video. Here he comes : I want to upgrade my 5.1 set. Current set up Marantz Av7701 connected to MM7055 and 2 MA6100 Mono amplifiers from Marantz. Speakers fronts, monitor audio silver 8, 4 ohms of which the woofers are driven by the Ma's6100. Center apex A 40, surround speakers A10 all 8 ohms and sub silver W12 all this from monitor audio. For the upgrade I doubt to connect the Sr8015 with the MA's 6100 for the fronts or the AV 7706 with my MM 7055 and the MA's. The Sr 8015 has of course a lot of power, but the same prossesor as the AV 7706. What do you think? regards  Hi there, I have become a follower of your videos and I have to say great! I have a question, rather a dilemma after seeing your video. Here he comes : I want to upgrade my 5.1 set. Current set up Marantz Av7701 connected to MM7055 and 2 MA6100 Mono amplifiers from Marantz. Speakers fronts, monitor audio silver 8, 4 ohms of which the woofers are driven by the Ma's6100. Center apex A 40, surround speakers A10 all 8 ohms and sub silver W12 all this from monitor audio. For the upgrade I doubt to connect the Sr8015 with the MA's 6100 for the fronts or the AV 7706 with my MM 7055 and the MA's. The Sr 8015 has of course a lot of power, but the same prossesor as the AV 7706. What do you think? regards

[@noelscionracerable]

@@gaverstraat As I recall, the SR 8015 has two subwoofer outputs so you can run those wires into the mono amps.. I personally freed up space on my audio tower by buying SVS subwoofers where all that is needed is RCA wires from Marantz to SVS subs.. I also use amps for center and fronts, including self powered subs and I let the marantz handle the surround sound as the Avr has much power to deliver for atmos speakers, as they only need power to make sound in certain parts of the movie..

[@ronmurphy4234]

​@@gaverstraat : So why would you want to go from separates to a receiver, what does your system lack? If your just looking to add ATMOS, the Marantz AV7706, AV7705, or AV7704 would be a direct upgrade to your AV7701. Depending on your requirements and budget, you could always check the used market for people looking to upgrade... Audiogon was the place to go for used equipment, but the traffic has fallen off since their policy changes, but still a good place to check. I assume your sub-woofers are not powered, but are they still big enough for your needs with your amps (70 watts @ 8 ohms)? Where adding powered sub-woofers is an option with a benefit of getting more power and less cables, there not free. The real question is how many ATMOS channels you require, and if you want more power in your sub-woofers... you may only need to add another 5 or 7 channel amplifier and sell the MA6100 amplifiers to reduce the change, or keep what you have and add a 3 channel amplifier for the LRC channels, and move the sub-woofers to the MM7055 (140 watts @ 8 ohms) and use the MA6100 amplifiers for the .2 ATMOS channels.

[@danashay]

My xlr cables will be here tomorrow, can't wait!! I'm back to Marantz after pushing them away 30 years ago. Now, when the pre-amp has a physical switch to throw, to change between balanced and unbalanced cables, can a man leave all the cables hooked up and just throw the switch? That would make an a/b test pretty straight forward. But, I'm gonna ask someone about this before I experiment with my pride and joy. What say you? I just gotta add, I sure wish I still had that CRT tuner! Thanks for being there for us, pretty addictive programming! Please carry on!

[@smit1001]

I really enjoyed your video comparing the AVR to the Dedicated Separate Processor. I really enjoyed the fact that you took the time to test the AVR driving the separate amps. You produce an amazing show.

[@Youthman]

Appreciate the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it

[@prelaw3857]

Question on your separates setup how did connect your subwoofers? Did you add another power amplifiers if so what brand?

[@Youthman]

Most subwoofers have their own internal amplifier. This video should help kzbin.info/www/bejne/mobdon15mLeYZrs Here is a video discussing how to connect multiple subwoofers - kzbin.info/www/bejne/anKbaHtmedZ-kKc

[@pixels2polygonss]

After re-entering the home theatre hobby you have been a life saver with re-educating myself with home theatre equipment. I’ve have my Yamaha RX-V563 7.1 system for many years and loved it it because it’s been a rock solid AVR. But now I’m fully convinced to go to separates but a new question arises? Where should I invest more of my money when it comes to a processor or power amplifiers? Could you please make a video about that?

[@DaveFogel]

A blind test would be nice. People seem to think things sound better when they think it SHOULD sound better.

[@Youthman]

unfortunately, even with a blind test or even a double blind test, there will still be people that will say it’s not a valid test. All I can do is share my experience with my ears and my own home. My channel isn’t designed to be laboratory testing type videos. I share from a home theater enthusiast / consumers perspective

[@DaveFogel]

@@Youthman Yeah. Still fun to watch! Thanks

[@Youthman]

Glad you enjoyed the video

[@brianhorrorfan]

Just watched this as I am in the process of switching from a Denon x7200wa AVR to a Anthem avm 60 and two power amps. Looks like I am making the right choice. Thank you for all your videos as they help greatly with upgrades and decisions that are made doing a stereo amp for my towers and a Monoprice 7x200 for the rest for a 7.1.2 set up

[@hectorvalen2876]

Awesome video Youthman, I had no clue 🤯

[@Youthman]

Glad you enjoyed it Hector

[@Johnnytrades101]

Hi from Calgary! Have a 7706 on the way. My friend Barrett got his last week. I was somewhat reluctant in ordering a Marantz 7706. I really like my Yamaha RXA2080 (5.2.4)as a pre using a 5 ch 200w amp. So I am adding another 5 ch for a total of 10 with the 7706. Great description, made me feel a lot better about my choice!!! Barrett had issues with gaming, bit I am not a gamer!! Too old lol. Now I can't wait for it to arrive, patience is not one of my virtues! Again great video, thanks fellas!!

[@Youthman]

Thank you and congrats!

[@Johnnytrades101]

I am curious, is there a way to adjust the subwoofer trim via the remote control on the 7706? The Yamaha RX A2080 has a dedicated subwoofer trim level control button on the remote which I really like, and use quite often with both movies and music. Much better than having to dive into the settings menu.

[@Youthman]

Not directly from the remote but there is an Option button that is a shortcut

[@Johnnytrades101]

@@Youthman thank you very much for your response! Like everything there are always compromises to be made for better and new gear. You know. a guy needs his favorite remote button! lol I am looking forward to the Marantz

[@poisedonis]

Hiyas, Im from calgary as well, just curious, where did you buy the 7706 from? Im looking to possibly get one in the future. And thanks

[@ealanosborne]

My budget 5.1.4 setup is pretty cool...but yeah...can’t wait until I can make the jump to separates!!! Thanks for this discussion

[@juansantiago5118]

Love your review on AVR -V- AV . I used to have AVR and now going to get the 8805 and monolith X11. Can’t wait to get this after I complete building my theater room. I’m running a 7.2.4 set up. B&W speaker with two 12” subs. 5030UB projector. My room size is 19’x20’ dedicated attic space.

[@Youthman]

Congrats Juan. Looks like you’re putting together a first class home theater

[@juansantiago5118]

Yes Spend it once not twice. Thanks for your response.😎👍👍

[@juansantiago5118]

Any way I can show you some pictures of the progress. To see if you can give me some input??

[@Youthman]

Feel free to email me at [e-mail]

[@turnne]

Be nice to see the Marantz 8805 thrown into this comparison mix as well

[@innercry]

Great video guys! Don't get a lot of videos talking about the subject of processors and power amps. However, there was something I wanted to share from my own experience. I've been using separates for 15 years now starting with the Rotel RSP1066 and 1075 Power Amp through to the Arcam AV9 and P7 Power Amp. I've changed the Interconnects between processor and power amp over the years and have been surprised at the difference they've made. I started with Nordost, went through QED and have now landed with Kimber Kables for the interconnects. You don't need to spend mega bucks but getting good quality interconnects between the electronics really has made improvements in my own setup. Effectively able to get more performance out of the system and the differences have been hugely audible. The lesson - don't scrimp on the interconnects...

[@gregworrel2623]

Please don't waste money on interconnects. Unless they are specifically designed to change the sound, there is no way a change from one interconnect to another should change anything at all. This is nothing but audiophile BS. You are hearing changes that are not there and there is no doubt that a blind comparison would show they are indistinguishable.

[@innercry]

@@gregworrel2623 my point was that, yes they do have an impact on the sound, both positive and negative. 15 years experience has proven this. Not subtle differences either. The nordost cables were really not suited to the Rotels for example as the sound was very bright with that combo. QEDs were better overall but lacked the detail of what nordost was able to deliver. Kimber Kable really hit the sweet spot of the combination of the two.

[@gregworrel2623]

@@innercry I understand that was your point, but unless the cables are designed with built-in EQ to change the sound then it is very likely you are deluding yourself. There have been numerous blind comparisons where even those like yourself who claim to be able to hear differences between different cables cannot do so under rigorous test conditions. Unfortunately sometimes our hearing is not reliable. Just google the McGurk effect for one illustration of this. My thinking is why would you want cables to act like EQ. Especially if it is unpredictable. If I had a cable that audibly changed the sound, I would throw it away or return it because it must be defective.

[@innercry]

@@gregworrel2623 it's not built in EQ or some sort of psychological effect, the reason why analogue cables can have a different impact on the final sound from one to the next is because they have different electrical characteristics. Nothing more nothing less. No crazy conspiracy theories or snake oil. Fundamentally my point was about bearing in mind that the analogue cable between the preamp and the amp has an impact on the final sound. The signal between the preamp and power amp is in the analogue domain and is ultimately what is translated into sound. The piece of wire between the two has an influence on this signal and therefore the final sound.

[@Youthman]

Cables are a highly debatable subject. I personally have never heard any difference between cables. I’m of the opinion copper is copper.

[@subcook32]

My "cable management" resembles a pit of angry snakes.

[@timl2116]

I already knew that separates are better, because I've been running a Marantz AV8802A for about five years, but it's nice to have a video explaining the differences for the layman...

[@Quad038]

Separates do sound cleaner, more dynamic with better separation of sounds. Your descriptions weren’t technical but spot on. If you get great amplification and speakers, (I’m using a Cinepro amps and legacy audio speakers) you can keep them for many years and just upgrade the processor every now and then as technology dictates.

[@Youthman]

Yes my reviews are not super technical. I share from a consumers perspective

[@ianorigbo7617]

Have you done a blind test to verify your conclusions.

[@commanderrussels2612]

@@Youthman "Not super technical" is a funny way of saying wrong. Gene at Audioholics measured the SR8015 pre-outs and they are measurably superior to the AV7706 (which isn't even balanced, it just has XLRs so it can LARP as pro gear). This whole video is more of a powerful example of how psychological biases can make you hear things that aren't there.

[@Youthman]

Measurements are great and I believe Gene’s measurements to be accurate. But Gene himself has said not everything you measure can be heard. My question is have you personally (or Gene for that matter) listened to them both side by side with your own ears or are you just relying one some else’s data? As far as bias, your argument would make much more sense if I went into it thinking separates were superior. I assumed I would not hear a difference since the SR8015 has preamp mode which in theory, should make it the same as a dedicated process.

[@commanderrussels2612]

@@Youthman Placebo effect actually still works regardless of assumptions. In a lot of research, when people are aware of the placebo effect it is even more profound, ironically. When you get into these sort of situations, measurements are really what we can rely on because our ears and brains lie to us, and something as simple as the levels being off 1dB or slight setup configurations being different can dramatically change results as well. The takeaway most are getting, judging by the comments on this video, is separates are superior which in many cases simply isn't true. Most times it's just a waste of money, hardly a "Youthman Deal" lol. Gene is absolutely right that not everything you hear can be heard. Should people buy separates that are no better (or in this case the separate is objectively worse than the integrated) because their psychology is playing tricks on them? Maybe that's acceptable, but what we really need in audio is to break these myths so that people spend money in the right places instead that will make an objective and much more profound difference in their theater. You call me a troll but I'm trying to help the channel. The fact is you have great potential but you're starting to make content that is promoting inaccurate beliefs when you have an opportunity to really help people in an industry that is full of snake-oil. A lot of these people have no idea and are getting sold a bag of lies often, so my hope was your channel would help out with that similar to the ethos of early Audioholics.

[@scottrussell2281]

This was the DECIDING video review for me. I had already ordered the SR8015 from Crutchfield and it was on back order. I was studying separates, but my main concern was whether there was enough difference to justify the additional money and also how I was going to power 11 channels when Marantz doesn't offer an 11 channel power amplifier. I just cancelled my SR8015 order and ordered an AV8805A and Monolith 11x amp. EDIT: BTW, I have Klipsch Cornwall II fronts, with a Klipsch Academy center, Klipsch Heresy II surrounds, and Klipsch RP 6000F rears with 4 Klipsch CDT-3800-C II Atmos overhead speakers.

[@Youthman]

Wow congrats! I have heard great things about the AV8805

[@scottrussell2281]

@@Youthman BTW, I have Klipsch Cornwall II fronts, with a Klipsch Academy center, Klipsch Heresy II surrounds, and Klipsch RP 6000F rears with 4 Klipsch CDT-3800-C II Atmos overhead speakers with a 85" Samsung QN85Q80TAFXZA QLED Quantum 4K UHD HDR Smart TV. I'm replacing a 2008 model Yamaha RX-V3800 AVR. I just added an SVS PB2000 Pro sub and the Klipsch RP 6000F rears. I can't WAIT to see how much difference the separates make, and also how much the ceiling speakers are going to add.

[@CTsoX]

Similar situation - We just replaced our Denon 3600H with the Marantz 8805A. Now waiting patiently for the additional 7ch power amp (ordered) to pair with our existing DR3. This is our first time experimenting with separates and we are loving the experience.

[@brandobond]

How much of it was placebo effect? I would like to see a video where you get some other home theater enthusiasts and repeat the test as a blind test. Also, according to Audioholics, most processors do not actually have real balanced xlr connections on them (until you get to really high price points) so it shouldn't make much difference whether you use xlr or rca cables.

[@Youthman]

All I can share is what we both experienced. I have compared a lot of amps and do not hear a difference. I have added amps to AVR’s and. It heard a significant difference. This was very noticeable. I agree on RCA vs XLR. I have never heard a difference in sound quality between the two. You do get a higher gain with XLR so that’s a positive.

[@brandobond]

@@Youthman I'm not saying that you didn't hear a difference or even that there isn't a big difference in fact. It's just that there are a lot of claims made within the high end audio community and I would like to understand what is happening from a scientific, measurable perspective. Since you are playing audio from the same source at the same volume but one scenario is with an AVR and one is with a separate processor and amp, what do you attribute the difference to? Assuming that both scenarios have sufficient amplifier power and that the AVR is not just lacking enough power for the volume you were using. Do you think the actual processor is just that much better quality in the dedicated processor compared to the AVR? I would think that both devices have pretty basic computer hardware inside (compared to an actual PC) and that if there is a big difference in how well they work, it is probably an artificially created gap to drive sales towards more expensive solutions.

[@Youthman]

As mentioned in the video, I am not certain what is the biggest contributing factor. We were not using the internal amps in the SR8015. SR8015 was in preamp mode which disconnects the internal amplifiers. Both SR8015 and AV7706 were connected to Monolith 11X. SR8012 was connected with RCA. AV7706 was connected with XLR. I don’t think the XLR made the difference in dynamics and detail. My guess is it simply does a better job processing the data it’s given.

[@solarfall2728]

@@Youthman XLR does not mean anything is balanced. Its just a 3 pin connector. In order for the cable to be balanced, all 3 pins must be used. 2 for signal and one for ground. Its true that most cables that are terminated with xlr connectors are balanced. Most components with xlr connectors are not balanced, even if they say they are. The only way you can take advantage of balanced operation is to have both components that actually run balanced. Otherwise, its a regular single ended rca connection.

[@Youthman]

Gotcha. Appreciate the info

[@kingcrimson234]

Interesting. I didn't realize there was a difference in channel separation. I've been looking at switching out my old Marantz SR5010 AVR for an Emotiva processor + amp stack. I just upgraded my speakers all around to the Revel Concerta2 series (The F36 towers are incredible!) plus two SVS PB-3000 subs. Level matched it all and fine tuned everything, it sounds AMAZING but you just sold me on separates to bring it to the next level.

[@revosol]

So Marantz is crippling their sound processing unit in their flagship product? I can understand that the amplification stage is not up to par in the AVR vs dedicated amp, but I find it troubling that their flagship AVR cannot process the sound to external outputs in a similar fashion (where it's indistinguishable to a listener) to a dedicated processor.

[@truwarrior22]

Considering the SR8015 uses the same dac, dsp, etc. it is a let down. The SR8015 even has extras like copper chassis, etc. Curious if anything is software related else just related to the hardware implementation...guessing hardware since even pure direct seems to lack some. I will say it sounds pretty decent with Audyssey flat enabled.

[@kingtspoon]

AWESOME video Michael! This really helped me with my decision to wait for the new Marantz AV 10 and Marantz Amp 10. I initially considered upgrading to the Anthem AVM 90 with 3 Emotiva XPA amps to power my LCR's, surrounds, and atmos channels separately. However, I really like the simplicity of just the AV Processor and the all in one power amp. I know there's not a ton of reviews on them yet but what's your thoughts on the new Marantz AV10 with AMP10 setup vs lets say... the Anthem AVM 90 processor + 3 separate power amps?

[@o.c.g.m9426]

I feel you on the simplicity brotha. I havr a Denon x4700h. Got my first A5 then got an A7. Now I'm like maaan all I use this AVR is to power my 7.2.4 with the 11 pre outs. Now I want to sell my avr for $1200

[@mdaniknightrider]

I’m wondering, if there was a significant difference in performance if you used only RCA while connecting the SR8015 and AV7706 to the Monolith amp, instead of XLR in the case of AV7706 and RCA of the SR8015. If you ever have some time to do this comparison, I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. Even under this comment. 😊 So then we would be sure DAC and processing is really superior on a dedicated pre-amp and sound quality is noticeably better in every day use. And if you definitely hear the difference, the blind test is unnecessary, as you’re not a student doing statistic homework at university. I get the point of view behind this methodology, but I honestly appreciate you do this already to us as your hobby and help us in these difficult times, when demoing is not really possible and available at all.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly. Some have shared in the comments that the 7706 doesn’t have fully balanced XLR. I’ve never heard a difference between XLR and RCA connections.

[@Art-AI-and-beyond]

@@Youthman I've heard it only really makes a difference over really long cable runs where noise can effect RCA's compared to balanced XLR's which is the reason they are used in PA applications.

[@Youthman]

Yes long runs could definitely benefit from XLR.

[@MrJjburgess11]

I just ordered the 7706. Coming from a Yamaha rx-a2080 that I been using for about 2½ years . Can't wait to hear the difference with the marantz.

[@gamingingalaxy4011]

Hows the experience so far?

[@MrJjburgess11]

@@gamingingalaxy4011 I love it. Right away I noticed a nice difference with movies. With music had to make a few little tweaks. Now that sounds amazing also. Very satisfied with the upgrade. Not taking anything away from the Yamaha tho. That is an awesome receiver. I recommend it . But the marantz pre/pro just takes it up another level.

[@gamingingalaxy4011]

@@MrJjburgess11 thats nice! I just purchased yamaha rx a 3080 but i still have a time to change for something else. Like marantz sr8015 but again i dont care about 8k or 4k 120. My set up klipsch fronts rp8000f , rp504 center channel and rp600 for surrounds. Now after watching this video i wanna go separates lol

[@MrJjburgess11]

@@gamingingalaxy4011 thats what did it for me also. Watching these videos made me wanna make the switch lol .

[@Youthman]

Glad to hear you had a similar experience as I did

[@duaplex1]

I can confirm this from my own experience. I have the MK S300 setup in my room, full Atmos with two subs and it has never sounded great since I drop one amp and went with an AV. When I used to run separates it was miles better. Now I'm going back once the AVM 90 lands and dropping in an ATI Signature.

[@guillermomartin8248]

Yeah I just got the AV7706 and the MM7055 amp, after setup I was amazed how good it sounded compared to my previous Arcam AV40 that was riddled with problems. I also ordered the SR8015 which was backordered and I forgot to cancel so it shipped. It will arrive today so I wanted to compare the two however, I fear between demo’s I won’t notice a difference... opinion- go With an AVR like the SR8015 or separates like the AV7706/MM7055. Running 805D3’s and HTM2D3 center

[@truwarrior22]

SR8015 can process 13 channels vs 11, not sure if you plan on going to a 13 channel setup though...

[@gamingingalaxy4011]

Hows the experience ? Big difference?

[@Alex-zv7lp]

I'll just leave it here - Audioholics post from this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnSrY2yJqsaMl68 "I go with measurements and controlled listening tests over feelings or opinion. The 8015 has the best preamp section of ANY Marantz AV product right now. We measured both the 7705 and 7706 and it's not nearly as good as the 8015. It is at least on par with the AV8005 and I even confirmed this with Marantz engineering directly. Most budget processors like the 7706 are fake balanced. They use a phase splitter to derive a balanced output as opposed to a truly differential circuit path like what you see in the Emotiva RMC-1. That said, it's possible audibility of the better preamp of the 8015 is not detectable compared to the AV7706 depending on many factors such as room acoustics, source material, speaker quality, and hearing acuity."

[@Smellslikegelfling]

Can you please translate this for those of us who might not be as savvy? Is this saying that the SR8015 is technically better than the 7706 according to the engineers?

[@Alex-zv7lp]

@@Smellslikegelfling Here is another quote from Audioholics "given the choice between the AV7706 vs 8015, I'd choose the 8015 and add a 2 or 3ch amp if you need more power up front. The 8025 does a solid 100wpc with 7ch driven." This was an answer to this question, Some guy: "exactly the statement I was looking for after Michael comparison, so in simple words it makes no sense that the HARDWARE on the 7706 produce a better sound quality that the hardware on the 8015? A part from what you mention of variables like room and accostics. And one last question according with your measurements running the 8015 on pre Amp mode with a good Amp makes a improvement on sound quality? Thank you so much Gene"

[@Youthman]

All I do is share what I hear and experience with my own ears in my own home connected to my own gear. The SR8015 is a fantastic AVR. In my setup, the AV7706 simply outperformed it.

[@birgitfischer8031]

Sound is not science. It is subjective. It is based on feelings and opinions not measurements. People like different sound characteristics and whilst on paper one thing might outperform something else, that is not necessarily what your ears think. Think of speakers. There are bright speakers, more dark and deep speakers and there are more balanced speakers. Just because someone likes the sound of a bright speaker it doesn't mean it's better on paper, and likewise, just because something seems better on paper, it doesn't mean you're going to like the sound of it and think it sounds better.

[@andy_vv]

​@@birgitfischer8031 ​ When you set up an expectation (or someone else did it for you), you tend to hear, feel, taste the difference; that is why there is such a thing as double-blind tests. Same for everything, food, wine, cars, cigars, name it. If you "know" that separates are better, you will hear the difference when switching to them. So, yes, music is subjective; you might like one type of sound patterns, I might like another. But measurements are objective. If you see a huge bump in frequency response below 100hz, you should hear more bass; if you didn't, something wrong with you

[@ricardotucker-il3rq]

Youthman, straight out from the marantz manuel it reads: By adding a power amplifier to each channel, the realness of the sound can be further enhanced. When setting the Assign Mode to Pre-Amplifier it stops operation of the internal power amplifier. The marantz SR-8015, SR-7015, SR-6015 and the AV-7706 all use the same Digital to Analog Converters (DAC). The chips are the AsahiKASEI AK4458 and all of the marantz units are using the same tuned specs: S/N 115dB, THD+N-107dB, PCM 768KHz and DSD256. So, are you saying that the marantz's (pre out) process mode is bogus?

[@Youthman]

I’m not sure what your question is. As I shared in the video, I initially did not think I would hear any difference between the SR 8015 and the AV 7706 in preamp mode. Both Derek and I felt the AV 7706 did a better job. But that could’ve been due to Audyssey calibrating differently.

[@ricardotucker-il3rq]

​@Youthman Thanks for replying sir! I was just curious as to how the SR-8015 and the AV-7706 could sound different with clarity/imaging. Both pieces of equipment run the same DACs/specs. I understand, that dedicated processors produce less heat, which is a good thing. Thanks for stating the Audyssey calibrating possibility. I do own a marantz SR8015 which is pre amp out to the marantz MM7055 and a MM7025. I am running 7.2. Klipsch RP. I stream alot of Netflix movies which are made in 5.1, DD+ and I love it! Thanks so much for taking the time to make such outstanding videos Youthman!

[@metubeglvz]

you should do a test were you don't know if its seperate or AVR. i feel that most of it is Placebo effect

[@Youthman]

It very well could be. I do not believe it was as I actually thought I would not hear any difference being that the SR8015 had preamp mode and I was using the same amplifier with both units.

[@haukionkannel]

With these many speakers… even the power reserve of separates gives the edge. There is a limit how much intregrate can push to each channel clean power.

[@ShaneM007]

Is the processor the same in the 8015 and the 7706, or are the different?

[@Youthman]

I’m not certain what components they share.

[@igmnk]

What about using the AV7706 preamp with the amplifiers in the SR8015, bypassing the integrated preamp (I am assuming the SR8015 has inputs for this)? This is an option if you already have an old integrated amp / receiver and want to upgrade the preamp section.

[@Youthman]

I have heard of people doing this, my only issue is you have two volumes to contend with. It’s not ideal but certainly can work.

[@mikepartain8971]

I have been researching the Marantz 7706 and 8805. It was good to view your video about the 7706. Are these models both made in Japan? Have you compared the 8805 to any Anthem processors. Keep up the good work!

[@madmaskcena]

Oh, what about buying an AVR and upgrading the setup with an external amplifier, and ultimately having a complete external amplifier setup? I like the Denon sound, but they don't offer separate components, so if I go this way, won't I have the same result

[@DynamiteKid1224]

I still prefer AV receiver over separates because of simplicity. Works well for me! Thanks! Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!

[@Youthman]

Absolutely. There are some great AVR’s on the market

[@monsta21cb]

now with choosing is it the makers processing thats better because if i get a high end avr and separate amp will that make a difference or just getting a processor and amp is the way to go

[@Renniz72]

Same can be said for stereo setups. Separate the preamp from the amplifiers and you often get better components, less heat and more power.

[@bighands69]

But how many people in their home set up are going to have the space to really get to the volume levels with their music and movies.

[@Youthman]

It’s not about getting more volume. Think of it this way. I can bench press 265 lbs. but I can only do it once. A professional bodybuilder could easily bench press 265lbs 3 sets of 10 reps and not break a sweat. Same could be said when comparing cars. My Ford Explorer can go 60mph in probably 10-14 seconds (I’ve never timed it). The new Tesla Plaid can too…except it gets there i 4 seconds. When you have dedicated amplifiers, you can deliver the dynamics with ease regardless of what volume level you’re at. Do you have all the torque and high speed regardless of whether you’re listening to intricate music or a complicated soundtrack in a movie

[@jackbookerjr.3047]

@@Youthman yeah... I guess, but your explorer is a lot cheaper and still get you from point a to point b.

[@Youthman]

Absolutely. Separates are not for everyone. I happily rocked with an AVR for about 13 years. Nothing wrong with that.

[@bighands69]

@@Youthman Many integrated systems can provide the clarity required for the space that most people have. The key to the more expensive separate systems is that they can go much louder and still offer clarity for the larger spaces that people use. A good quality integrated system can easily meet the demands for many people. My living room has an integrated system that is on par with any sperate system for the space that is used. I could go a lot bigger and still would not get any extra quality for the space that I am using in the living room.

[@florent2409]

Hello from France !! I've seen a post on FB sharing this video...and it did cost me €4,400 today ! My wife definitely hate you. So I'm updating my setup from an Onkyo TZ-RX900 + Focal Atmos 5.1.2 (focal aria 926 + CC 900, atmos and surrounds are embedded). I followed your suggestion and went for a Marantz AV7706 + Emotiva XPA-11 Gen3 11 channels. I hope I will really feel a significant improvement, we'll see in 2 days when they arrive.

[@Jungomi]

I also had the Onkyo TX-RZ900 and switched to the Marantz SR7013. In my opinion, the difference was like day and night and i am very happy. In the near future, however, I will also switch to the AV7706.

[@JC-bl9bo]

Been doing separates for a long, long time. I would say probably 2 years after I got into HT. Parasound 5 channel amp has served me well for 20 years now. Processors come and go but that tank of an amp keeps kicking.

[@Youthman]

Parasound makes ROCK SOLID amps

[@JC-bl9bo]

@@Youthman oh yeah and excellent customer service. They sent me the feet when I moved that I lost for free. All the way from San Francisco to NJ.

[@jeffduckett1199]

Great explanation Michael! Love your channel!

[@Youthman]

Thanks!

[@lo_fye]

Very helpful! I was considering getting an AVR that can be a pre-pro and buying AMPs later, but now I'll just wait until I can afford the full separate setup.

[@Youthman]

Either way would be a fantastic option. I have thoroughly enjoyed the SR8015 over the past two months. The AV7706 just takes it up a notch.

[@kenhiett5266]

A blind test conducted under strict scientific standards would expose the inability for humans to remember relatively insignificant audio differences. I've listened to the Marantz AVR vs. the equivalent separates. Yes, there's a difference, but other than scale/power, it's not even close to significant enough to remember unless you're switching back and forth with an a-b router. Unless the power of the AVR wasn't enough for your application, I hope you were wise and saved a lot of money.

[@GlennHerman-n8o]

​@@kenhiett5266like I said, it's the amps.

[@007snipershot]

I have the Marantz SR7011 with B&W 702 S2 speakers and 2 SVS SB 16 Ultra subs in a 20x20 room. Is it time to upgrade to the Marantz SR8015 or better to go with separates? If so, what do you suggest? I plan to at Atmos speakers. TV is a 75" Sony 4k. Will be upgraded soon as well.

[@ripewave]

Nice to get that fair side-by-side feedback comparison using the same amps and speakers -Jon

[@Youthman]

Thanks Jon

[@avg0062]

Hi Youthman, I love your videos. I'm the proud owner of the Klipsch RF-7 series iii along with the matching center as well. One day I decided to put in a Marantz SR-7010 that was updated with the latest firmware DTS-X. When I ran that receiver through the Klipsch speaker package it transform my home theater into a home cinema. For some reason, when these Marantz receiver go through the updates, I think the overall performance is modified as well. Plus, I got to see how good the crossovers are in the Klipsch, and the Marantz too! It was really an amazing home theater experience.

[@Youthman]

That’s fantastic! Congratulations and thanks for sharing

[@na_98_45]

One of the most your helpful and useful videos Thanks man for your time I have bought marantz av7706 and mm8807 power amp for my current 5.2.2 which I will add extra 2 for Atmos So far going from my onkyo ht695 which is really solid receiver under 500$ It's really a huugge step up in sound Thanks again 👍🏻

[@Youthman]

Awesome and congrats on the upgrade!

[@na_98_45]

@@Youthman thanks man it is mind blowing experience especially in higher volume Really didn't expect this performance from my Kef q350 And I've noticed something important that maybe you can mention in your videos That when they connected to a receiver and i hit near max power the drivers of my q350 was rumbling and I thought that I've hit the limit capability of my speaker but now I've realised that was from the AV receiver clipping which can cause damage and make you sometimes think that this from your speaker But now it's all gone and I'm really impressed by how good clean power could change speaker movement and max SPL

[@mikewinburn]

The colors are cool. I just label both ends to identify each channel, though. I like that monolith 11 channel. I'll watch the review on it. thanks

[@commanderrussels2612]

Youthman just has some advertising deal with that company, those interconnects are overpriced.

[@Youthman]

Good morning Commander Russell. Just about every comment you make is negative. You might want to add some fiber to your diet. Advertising deal with GLS? Interesting seeing that I don’t even have a contact for GLS. If I’m getting paid, I would certainly like to see the check. If a video is sponsored on my channel, I share it verbally at the very beginning of the video, mention it in the description AND I check the “this video contains paid promotion” box on KZbin. I shared in the video what I bought with my own money. But thank you for trolling. Be blessed

[@mikewinburn]

@@commanderrussels2612 - thanks for the reply. (I wasn’t actually “interested” in the interconnects, just loved the color coordination :) )

[@commanderrussels2612]

@@mikewinburn Yeah I appreciate the rainbow, mostly just messing with Youthman (he'll warm up to it). You can use colored tape on the ends also.. As a side note, actually the AV7707 isn't balanced, so if possible to ones amp I'd just use RCAs out of that rather than XLR rather than buy new cables. I think a lot of people assume that unit is balanced because of the XLRs when it really isn't.

[@mikewinburn]

@@commanderrussels2612 - that’s great info. I’ve been rather uncreative in my labeling... scotch tape and paper :) I didn’t know that about the XLRs being unbalanced... fortunately for me, I have a more recent model w balanced XLRs

[@LarryWexler-y9t]

Would the sr7015 in pre pro mode create a sound like separates? I would be paring the sr7015 with audiocontrol pantages 5 and emotiva 5 channel amp. Thank you?

[@tech78o32]

I got Marantz av7705 connected to Emotiva xpa 7 gen 3 running the surrounds and two Outlaw Audio model 2220 for the Fronts. Sounds great!!!!

[@bergennorway]

@John Smith My AV7704, and his AV7705 can reverse the polarity by a setting in a menu, because of this reason. But still frustrating that USA have one standard, the rest of the world another...

[@shawnpurvis737]

Was it mentioned or explored to use the monolith as the amp for the SR8015, and then compare that to the AV7706 with the monolith. This would be a better comparison because you a relying on the same amp. If this wasn't done, I think the results are invalid. We don't know if the difference was because of the amp or the separate processor.

[@carywatson1146]

I think the answer to your question is at 14:30 in the video.

[@shawnpurvis737]

@@carywatson1146 it was. Thanks. I missed it

[@CravingTheMagic]

Awesome video now that I've seen it all the way through. Now I'm leaning towards the anthem avm70

[@Youthman]

Anthem makes great gear.

[@gregmiller9382]

Hi there! which one would you suggest between yamaha mx-a5200 and monolith 11x. Also, you think it is a good timing to buy Marantz 7706 at this time knowing they have issue with new xbox? Should I wait or get the 7705 instead. I am also thinking emotiva xmc 2. Thank you.

[@MJamesIII]

Welp, after waiting months for the 7706 on backorder, it’s finally arrived. Time to ditch my SR7015. I sure hope it was worth it. I’m sitting on $5000.00 of front end.

[@ROckNCom]

Report back with your side by side experience if you don't mind. Am leaning towards a SR7015 purchase and using in processor mode but curious to hear if you can hear an improvement as well with the AV7706.

[@mrmomo305]

A little late but any updates?

[@ben-eg4im]

Hi Youthman, The Marantz SR8015 pre-amp mode with the Monolith by Monoprice 11-Channel is better than the Marantz AV7706 with Monolith by Monoprice 11-Channel? Very thanks

[@Youthman]

I have been more than pleased with my Marantz AV7706 and Monolith 11X for my Home Theater.

[@tmori19]

Thanks Youthman for the comparison video! When comparing the AV7706 vs the SR8015 being used as a pre-amp, it's the opposite conclusion that I expected hearing what Gene at @Audioholics measured on the bench. He notes in a video that the SR8015 pre-amp measurements were better than the AV7706. Link to that video and timestamp: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnSrY2yJqsaMl68. Were you able to run any bench tests and measurements in your review and experience with these units that compare to Gene's?

[@Youthman]

Hi @tmori19, no I do not have any bench testing equipment. Nothing wrong with buying something that measures better than something else. Just keep in mind, not everything that can be measured can be heard.

[@MrElchav]

The problem with Gene's reviews is that it's more from a technical perspective using measuring equipment. He comes put with stuff the average consumer won't care about nor understand. His reviews are more for the manufacturers and consumers who dive very deep into measurements the human ear cannot pick up. Youthman like most reviewers on the other hand explain from a consumer perspective which I find far more enjoyable and engaging...

[@Youthman]

That is correct, my reviews are not as “the expert”, but rather from a consumer perspective, because I myself am a consumer of the products I review. I believe as content, creators and reviewers, we all provide a different perspective and experiences and each can provide benefit to the Home Theater community.

[@ben-eg4im]

Hi Youthman, I have the Marantz SR8015, do you recommend that I connect the Monolith by Monoprice 11-Channel?, I will notice a difference? very thanks

[@Youthman]

Depends on a lot of factors. How big is your room. How far do you sit from the speakers. How loud do you listen. What is the sensitivity of your speakers.

[@musicman8270]

Just hooking external amps to the pre outs of a receiver helps a great deal, what I did after the great improvement of going to a seperate amp-preamp in my audio system, and now with those amps it will be easier to upgrade to an AV prepro

[@noelscionracerable]

I did the same.. most don't realize you don't need to just get processor but instead combine AVR with seperates.. in my case I use QSC amps for the front stage and then let the AVR handle the surround speakers which is plenty of power.. it helps the AVR work less while drastically improving sound up front where needed

[@romanlewandowski9616]

Don’t bother I just spent 13k on Marantz separates 8805 & 8077 to go with my Anthem’s and there’s no difference between them and my Marantz 8012 it’s all bs and hyp

[@noelscionracerable]

@@romanlewandowski9616 I definitely would not do seperates for surround sound and depending on speaker and center being used most high end AV recievers can push them quite well.. I think the issue with some speakers is efficiency, as some require more power to sound good.. I had the RF2 speakers and they did not require much power but they are 97 db but sounded awesome with onkyo AV at 100 rms per channel.. in any case, the speakers bejng used will determine if amp is required for sure..

[@ronmurphy4234]

@@romanlewandowski9616 : I had the AV8801 and sold it because I wasn't impressed, I understand the AV8805 has more options, but I'll stay with my Krell S1200U-3D because it blows away any Marantz I've heard regardless of price. Your Marantz MM8077 7-channel power amplifier is rated at 150 watts per channel into 8 ohms, and 180 watts per channel into 6 ohms, that's your problem... no current. Try buying something used like a Simaudio Titan that delivers 200 watts into 8 ohms and 400 into 4 ohms (all channel driven), anything more that doubles to 2 ohms would be wasted for home theater already having sub-woofers.

[@scottnorris9079]

I imagine you’ve already stated this and I missed it, so I apologize…but just to be clear, you were already using the monolith amp with your AVR in pre/pro mode correct? So the comparison is truly about the brains and not the “brawns” if you will. I run emotiva off my pre/outs from my AVR, and that made a HUGE difference in SQ. However, I know that at the very least the potential of my amps are being stunted by the AVR because said pre/outs don’t even have enough voltage to fully utilize the better amps, and that alone, I have no doubt, is putting a cap on what they are capable of. One day I will make the jump… thanks for the inspiration!

[@Youthman]

Yes, you were 100% correct. Both a Processor and the AVR’s were using the Monolith. The AVR’s was in preamp mode only meaning is disabled, all the internal amplification.

[@bunk-bn9eo]

I've always preferred using separates. Using separates gives you a better listening experience overall. If you think about it - each component has a dedicated function with a single purpose. That way they can focus on better tech in their components. Where an AVR (albeit more convenient and more cost effective), they're having to do many functions - amplify, process those functions etc. Not to mention the heat they produce.

[@ronmurphy4234]

But on the plus side is the AVR cost and no additional cables required, this becomes a bigger issue the more channels driven.

[@shredicusmaximus]

This video has me thinking of changing my upgrade path for my home theater. I am happy with my current AVR but it's too old to support atmos. Would you recommend buying a processor and connecting it to my old AVR for power if I knew I had plans to buy a dedicated poweramp later?

[@rodirish7787]

i am starting to regret purchasing my yamaha 3080 glad i didn't buy an emotive processor but the monolith you reviewed has peaked my interest by the time i get around to it on my list of new audio to purchase i am sure i will be able to grab it on the used market

[@Youthman]

You can save a lot on the used market.

[@rodirish7787]

@@Youthman do you have any screen suggestions i am not satisfied with my ES i get sparkle

[@Youthman]

I have been completely satisfied with my DIY Seymour

[@HiFinest343]

Man I had the 3080 and it was an excellent receiver, only one I know of with XLR pre outs. Agree with @youthman here that the AVR still leaves something to be desired once experiencing separates. I jumped to the AV8805 and can’t go back to an AVR, especially after this video confirms what I initially thought. After a couple years of exchanging equipment, building different systems in my home, I finally concluded an AVR is for: 1.) if you never intend to buy separate amps, 2.) want to build a secondary system with moderate listening level habits, and 3.) if you’re not a critical listener, constantly looking for things which are wrong, that need to be corrected (which is totally fine by the way). And you can have a kickass system with an AVR - the flagship AVR’s are all amazing for what they do (they need to do a lot). There’s also something to be said about processors being targeted for specific end users. For example, it is NOT a minimalistic approach. There are boxes everywhere. So there’s a lot to consider. Anyway, just my .02 - there are awesome AVR’s, I’ve used many of them. There is a noticeable difference to step to a processor, though that difference is way more apparent, the further from the flagship AVR, you are. The 3080 is awesome - if you ever decide to go separates, I’d think about how you can repurpose the 3080, so you don’t have to miss it!! Enjoy!

[@rodirish7787]

@@HiFinest343 thank you for your input. Right now i think the biggest problem is i have way more power going to L and R compared to the other 5 channels once i purchase an emotiva amp to finish off the home theatre portion of my stereo i may not find an issue with the 3080 and as i was saying by then perhaps the new 16 channel monolith processor will be affordable on the used market by then. I have been a fan of yamaha receivers since the 80s and 90s I always thought yamaha was top of the line in bottom end audio

[@1psxpat]

Great review. Just a suggestion to even out the playing field between avr and pre pro. For the avr, set to pre amp mode and using rca cable connected to your monolith 11 channel amp. And do the same thing to the pre/pro using rca cable instead of XLR cable.

[@Youthman]

The only difference the XLR should make is about a 3dB gain per channel. Audyssey will then bring down the levels reducing chance of clipping

[@1psxpat]

@@Youthman I see. How the sound if both of them (avr and pre/pro) using the same external power amp. Does pre/pro still significantly sound better?

[@Youthman]

PSX, every room is different. Sounds like Onkyo’s room correction handled your room better. That’s great that you found what works best for your setup.

[@1psxpat]

@@Youthman I see. Thank you.

[@bv5980]

When I went from AVR to separates (AV7705) it not only blew me away but all my family could tell the difference.

[@Youthman]

It was pretty obvious to us as well

[@donalddeorio2237]

My sons 2 years ago bought me a used Marantz AV 7005 preamp for my 60th birthday. It replaced my aged Rotel pre-amp processor. All I can say is WOW the difference was amazing and I believe it was $350. I am powering it with a Carver av705x, and my speakers have 10" 250 watt subs in each tower

[@Youthman]

That’s fantastic. You have some really generous sons as the 7005 was $2100 just a year or two ago.

[@donalddeorio2237]

@@Youthman the 7005 was $1500 in 2011, you were thinking 7705. But I never asked for anything specific and 60 is a special birthday. They are great hardworking boys and I really appreciate it.

[@Youthman]

Oh my bad, I got the model numbers mixed up. That’s still awesome of your son hooking you up. Wish my Dad appreciated good equipment

[@donalddeorio2237]

@@Youthman no biggie, I brought all 3 boys up and explained the importance of good sound reproduction to musical enjoyment

[@TheaterAtReference]

to be honest separates do sound better but the difference is not worth the price

[@Youthman]

“Is it worth it” is always subjective. Everyone has to make that decision on their own

[@ChristianGr92]

Do you have tested the pre-amp mode of SR8015 against 7706, with the same amplifier? Would be a nice comparison. Because you can buy 8015 first and update later with seperate amplifiers. Or is a seperate like 7706/8805 a lot better than 8015 in pre-amp mode?

[@Youthman]

As mentioned in the video, the SR8015 was in preamp mode when compared to the AV7706. Both were connected to the Monolith 11X amplifier.

[@ChristianGr92]

@@Youthman Sorry, missunderstood. The difference in sound quality is such big? I'm very suprised, because other reviewer says that 8015 pre amplifier are almost at the same level as 8805. With almost no diffence to a seperat pre-amplifier.

[@Tec2Nut]

Run the 8015 in pre amp and compare ?

[@iscbts70]

My thoughts as well. Interested to know how the 8015 in preamp mode with the Monolith compared to the 7706/Monolith

[@Raritytuber]

He did that.

[@Youthman]

Yes it was compared in Preamp mode connected to the same amplifier.

[@Tec2Nut]

@@Youthman audioholics , Gene said in test the 8015 a much better pre amp than the 7706 and that the balanced inputs on the 7706 are bias so not the real deal .but listening can tell a different story , plus the Dac,s in the 7706 are according to forums Old Dac ,s ??

[@Youthman]

I cannot tell you what Gene said or what his findings were. I’m simply sharing what we heard and experienced with our ears in my own home connected to my speakers.

[@mptobler1]

Let me get this straight if I get a processor I need to purchase a power amp. I am running a 5.2.4. So what kind of amplifers and processor would you recommend from high to low price range. I currently have the Onkyo RZ 50

[@iscbts70]

Thanks for another great video! AV 7706 it is!

[@Youthman]

Thank you Jason. Glad you enjoyed it

[@truwarrior22]

7706 technically has less processing, 11 vs 13, so curious how the SR8015 would fair with all it’s processing utilized.

[@Youthman]

Adding more speakers would not provide better channel separation

[@truwarrior22]

@@Youthman Agree to a certain extent, but more channels should provide better imagine and immersion. I haven’t tried front wides yet, but it’s one of the reason I decided on the SR8015. I have 4 of the same towers and matching center towers so it should create a wonderful front sound stage.

[@iscbts70]

In my application I’m only running 5.1.4 so either one is enough processing for me. Room limitations prevent me from expanding past that (although I could and should add a second sub).

[@cpg8000]

As a guy concerned primarily with 2-channel music listening, as a general rule, separates are known to be superior, all things being equal. Never thought much about this principle in AVR. You have piqued my interest now! When it’s time to move on from my old and trusty Denon X4100, I believe I will strongly consider AVR separates. Thanks so much, Mike! Love the channel and the attitude here.

[@Youthman]

Thank you kindly. Glad you’re enjoying the content

[@ImportLenz]

I’m getting ready to go separates for the first time when my anthem avm 70 finally comes in. I have 4 atmos speakers that will be installed at the same time. I can’t wait.. I will have a 5.1.4. I believe this would be more than enough for my theater room.

[@Youthman]

That’s awesome Lentz!

[@savan28]

What made you choose Anthem Avm70? I am currently running 7.2.2 Atmos with Marantz Sr8012, running 5 main channel with Emotiva 5 channel amp. Looking to sell/trade in my Sr8012 for Anthem Avm70?

[@romanlewandowski9616]

@@savan28 hi I am looking at doing the same please let me know how you go when you get it set up

[@mandrellrob7141]

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[@Smellslikegelfling]

What kind of amp are you running with it?

[@dbiagas210]

Snake oil or not? Just ordered an av7705 to replace my sr6013 I was using as a “pre/pro”.....

[@AnythingGozePodcast]

Do you recommend someone getting denon avr-x8500h as receiver? How does sound or issues to consider

[@liandewaal9077]

Love your videos i cant stop watching them you learned me so much

[@Youthman]

Thank you Lian. Glad to hear you are finding value in the content.

[@Mac11700]

I've had both seperates and intigrated and there is some differences between the 2 , however you can get the same thing between 2 different units of the same make as well. It's not always a placebo effect, but actual sonic differences due to the variances of each unit from multiple factors. You have a awesome theater bro..

[@ronmurphy4234]

Your assumption must be based on the cost of each unit and not an apples to apples comparison... improvements in the sound of a preamp costing the same as a receiver will always translate into better sound, this is because removing the cost of things like amplification translates into better internal components, the same goes for the amplifier, the cost of processing, software for decoding, volume controls, and anything needed to process the signal can be used for upgrades like running class A for the first 25 watts, or a better power supply. Most people who own a receiver have never seen a sine wave or heard of the term clipping, so they think that 300 watts at 8 ohms is huge, but it fails to hold a square wave and rolls off because lack of current, separates will always sound better because they reduce any clipping of the signal with current, that's why they sound cleaner, faster, and more transparent.

[@Mac11700]

@@ronmurphy4234 No..it has nothing to do with the cost of each unit. As I said,there is a difference between them due to many factors and that it wasn't a placebo effect. I futher stated that there could be sonic differences between the same exact units due to variances within them. No assumption on my part, however you did explain it better than me 👍

[@ronmurphy4234]

@@Mac11700 : So did your comment have more to do with production standards then cost of the components used, or the tiers within a product family?

[@Mac11700]

@@ronmurphy4234 Production standards and quality control mainly. There is always the human factor that must be accounted for as well and I am not speaking of personal biases as a whole because we will always have our listening sessions be influenced somewhat,but to the actual physical variances within each of our hearing capabilities. This can and does have to be factored into any discussion. As to the former, QC can and does effect more units irregardless of the cost per unit then most reviewers or commentors are willing to concede. I have personally had to return top of the line AVR's and Pre Pro's far too often, and I am not speaking about cosmetics here although is a contributing factor often enough which can result in personal biases coming into the equation. There isn't a manufacturer today who can garantee their products to work 100% of the time.

[@ronmurphy4234]

@@Mac11700 I agree, that's why they have B-Stock... being both an audiophile and videophile for decades, I'm surprised by the number of snake oil salesman that pray on the "MP3" generation. They push products that sound as good as a box sub-woofer inside a car trunk, but they have base. But there's still hope, my nephew is a smart kid and has started collecting vinyl records and wants a good audio system to play them. He has already shown interest in separate's, but I'm looking at giving him my Marantz SR7009 because I've never used it and probably won't... it will at least get him into the game. You being a Mac guy, any thoughts on the MA12000?

[@billshekoury]

Would u please address the differences between the AVR and the separates when it comes to MUSIC (things like classical as well as rock type of music like Pink Floyd) ? Many thanks 🙏

[@Youthman]

Unfortunately I’m mostly a home theater guy. Probably 90% home theater and 10% music. Most music lovers choose Marantz over Denon because they have “the music chip “

[@bigk7788]

It's great to see an honest and genuine review of his experience. I know exactly what he experienced. When I did my switch to separates I also did a side by side comparison... was night an day. Worth the extra expense??? Well for me and my family YES! When your wife can notice a vast improvement makes it even more worth the money.

[@erminlewis86]

@Youthman - What your thoughts on connecting a Pre/Pro Balanced out (XLR) directly to Active/ Powered Speakers? I see some benefits. Cost, Fidelity and scalability and if something goes wrong with the amp on each then it possibly less painful to replace per speaker?

[@Youthman]

Active speakers could work for a 2ch system but I do not see any benefit when you have 7, 9, 11 or more speakers.

[@erminlewis86]

@@Youthman I think for the kicks I should experiment with it. If you use something like powered subs two-way studio monitors/ Hi-Fi drivers and due to them being pretty efficient with a really high half-space or free field sensitivity I think there could be some benefit. They also usually come bi-amped with crossovers built in. I think this could sound pretty amazing. Well that's in just Theory right.

[@annenominous7220]

Unless its a blind ABX type test, I don't believe it. I have amps ranging from 80 bucks to 10 grand, and its really hard to tell them apart in a blind test. Your expectation bias is making your brain tell you there is a huge difference, when really, there isn't one. To be clear, yes, you HEAR a difference, BUT, its all in your head :) If you measure the signal in and signal out, as long as both setups are not clipping and have reasonably low distortion ratings, then there is no difference. Schitt has a good paper out on the value of blind testing. My home theater is presently running the 110 Denon with outputs to Krell and Denon 110 amps that power Dynaudio Contour speakers in a 7.2.2 configuration. It is massive overkill and its just for fun. I have come to realize that basically, all good performing amps sound the same. I wish I had realized that before Krell :) Take care.

[@Youthman]

I’m certainly not asking you to believe me. Simply sharing our experience. We both went into it not thinking it would make much (if any) difference since I was using the SR8015 in preamp mode connected to the Monolith 11X. Needless to say it was a significant difference between the two.

[@annenominous7220]

@@Youthman i do believe you, but if i switched the equipment without you knowing it, you would likely still prefer the separates even though you were listening to the integrated :) in the end, just enjoy your toys, i know i do.

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

The things i'd like to know on this is how was the 8015 set up as far as pre-out mode? The 8015 should technically be a damn close if not better machine, being that it is made in Japan and the 7706 is not. Obviously this isn't the be all end all, but on paper that 8015 should be a more capable device if set up as a pre-out. I don't know if Marantz have that same feature as Denon do where they completely disconnect the internal amps and become essentially a processor only. I'd be interested to see what difference you would personally find if you were to test that 7706 against the 8805, or even against a Denon X6700H in straight pre-out mode.

[@Youthman]

As stated in the video, the SR8015 was in Pre-Amp mode which disables all of the internal amplification. My Monolith 11X was powering all of the speakers.

[@jeremyjones7590]

An Amplifier really SHOULDN'T change the sound at all. But I can see how in theory having a separate Amplifier could allow more area for better quality components and better power delivery. In reality it may not be enough to warrant the extra space and cost of needing 2 separate units for most people.

[@yvesn58]

Enjoyed your video and convincing arguments for home theater. However, if movie watching counts only for 25% of usage, rest being listening to music would you have the same arguments?

[@Youthman]

I’m 90% movies. Probably the wrong person to ask that question.

[@rico9391]

Separates are more dynamic in sound. It's night & day.

[@Youthman]

That’s EXACTLY what we heard. Absolutely a significant improvement, even with the SR8015 in preamp mode.

[@79bmsra]

Am looking for a 7.2.2 configuration and am trying to decide between the separates route which includes the Marantz AV7706 @$2599 (vs) the Denon 4700H($1799)+Emotiva BasX A7($699). Why 4700H? Because it has Auro3D, Jitter Reduction, 32-Bit processing, Slightly better THD levels at 8Ohms. Please suggest.

[@bighands69]

I would suggest actually getting a good sound demo somewhere to get a feel for what you like and do not like. Would you really need an atmos system? Is 5.1 enough or 7.1. I would suggest getting to hear the different options with movies that you actually like. When dealers know that you really want a system they will have no problems showing you everything they have. A real good dealer should show you best bang per buck.

[@walksoflifesixnine]

They look cooler, and sometimes that's all we need!

[@Youthman]

Nice lol

[@mattduncan2578]

Mike, as a person who can't afford a premium 11 channel home theater, is there a separate vs.AVR configuration for those that run with a 5.1 theater?

[@jaseamondo]

Wonder what's actually making the tangible difference you can hear seeing as audioholics say the avr actually measured better than the processor, to be clear I ain't doubting as measurements never tell the whole story.

[@Youthman]

Yes there are often things that we can measure that our ears cannot hear. All I know is it was absolutely apparent that the AV7706 had more dynamics, clarity and better channel separation than the SR8015 in Preamp mode.

[@jaseamondo]

Yeah as I said I'm not doubting you, if the 8015 was actually better the 7706 would be obsolete

[@Youthman]

The reality is separates aren’t for everyone. There definitely is a much higher cost and everyone must decide whether or not the difference is worth it. I never try to decide that for anyone.

[@jaseamondo]

Agreed, over the years I've spent more than I'm comfortable divulging publicly, someone might tell the wife 😂

[@skolvikings5263]

@@Youthman Did you use the same Monolith with the SR8015 in preamp mode

[@valde223]

Well what you say about av7706 is what im hear with my denon avr-x6500h when i turn off loud management in surround parameter in audyssey turn off dynamic volume and audyssey LFC multEQ xt32 set to flat but i could be wrong maybe it does Sound better with the av7706🤔

[@AntonioPenja]

That first video you mention, the dedicated video on the difference between an avr and a dedicated processor, isn’t there. You didn’t link to it.

[@Icelandlover]

What a wonderful idea to have your friendly buddy sharing his impression according to the knowledge he has; which is the level of knowledge most of us have. Very relatable and convincing. Thanks so much for your work. I have preordered the Anthem AVM70 but was considering the MRX1140 recently. With this review, i will stick to my first choice.

[@Youthman]

Thank you Icelandlover. My videos are made from a consumer’s perspective as I myself am a hime theater consumer myself. Be blessed.

[@dillonbray]

Did you do any room measurement to see if you could tell what the processor is doing different than the AVR?

[@Youthman]

I do not have any measurements. Typically the only thing I measure on my channel is the occasional frequency response of subwoofers.

[@truwarrior22]

@@Youthman What you guys explained, kinda sounds like what I experienced when I tried Dirac software on my computer setup. Same sound information, but Direct some how removed the “noise” between all the instruments. Perhaps there’s additional processing besides just XT32. I would think XT32 between the SR8015 and 7706 should be the same...

[@Youthman]

Honestly I could t tell you what is in the 7706 that made the difference

[@AlinDode]

Hi Steven, good job! can I have your opinion on the below setup: Marantz AV7706 Marantz MM7705 B&W 706 S2 B&W 703 S2 B&W HTM71 S2 B&W DB4S in the future I'm looking for 4 in sealing speakers

[@tunesart4542]

Hai What’s your take on Kef q series vs kliptch RP series for a home theatre set up ?

[@shac79]

Hi, new to this channel :) I found it to be informative and interesting, so thanks, 1st of all. What would be the minimum separate components for a "separates"? So amplifier, processor, what else? (DAC? Pre amp? Equalizer?) Except the source (tv, cd, blu-ray, some music app, etc.) Or speakers. My question is about the audio components themselves.

[@Youthman]

Separates consists of Processor and an external amplifier.

[@darknightelf2]

Hey Youthman! great video again, never really checked separates before. But since your SR8015 is fully powered by your 11 ch amplifier how come there is that much of a difference in sound when your Sr8015 is pretty much itself a separated since it dont have to power anything? Also both the AVR and the separates use the same Audyssey Xt32 for calibration. Thanks!!

[@Youthman]

I would’ve thought the same thing. As I shared in the video, I can’t say for certain what made the most difference. Maybe the 7706 uses better components.All I know is we both heard a distinct difference in detail, clarity and channel separation.

[@truwarrior22]

Wonder if it would make somewhat of a difference if you went form the 7706 first then to the 8015. Going from the Monolith processor to the SR8015 didn’t seems to make much of a notable impact. I’m sure the 7706 was better, but somewhat surprised it’s so noticeable/different.

[@gregworrel2623]

There is nothing surprising about this result. People have been making claims of hearing all sorts of differences in different components like amplifiers, speaker wires, interconnects, power cords, etc, for 50 years. In an uncontrolled subjective comparison that is not conducted rigorously, people hear differences that are not in fact there, and cannot be duplicated in a blind comparison.

[@Cameronbb03]

I'm curious as to if a cheap avr VS midrange vs expensive avr would have a similar difference between them, and then the separated being the step up from an expensive avr

[@Youthman]

Cheap AVR’s often have a lot less features (like preouts) and also much smaller power supplies.

[@davidstein9129]

Any idea how this Marantz AV7706 will sound with a newish Parasound Halo power amplifier.

[@roddyoccultis4266]

Hi Youthman, I have a Marantz SR 7005 AVR. Had it for a while. I also have a pair of Klipsch RF series with dual binding posts made in USA. Recently, from watching a Steve Guttenberg video, I decided to bi amp the loudspeakers which the SR 7005 allows you to only by connecting the lower binding posts to the FRONT L and R inputs and the upper binding posts to the Surround Back Amp Assign inputs and change the setting on the AVR from normal to Speaker C. I listen to music in stereo with a sub on. Amazing transformation No kidding.. You can also enjoy 5 channels watching movies. But Audyssey is disabled but who needs this crap!! Cheers.PS You must remove the straps on the loudspeakers

[@Antimonkat]

So the AV 8805 came out in Dec 2018 and (if you can find one) still runs $4500 but does 13.2 channels of processing, The AV 7706 is brand new as of Oct 2020 and runs "only" $2500, seems newer and better in almost every way for $2k less, but only processes 11.2 channels. What am I missing? I know tech can get cheaper over time and all, but $2k more for only another 2 channels of processing, but an older unit in every other regard? I have to be missing something else in feature set or signal quality right? I mean why didn't they keep it at 13.2, is something else coming? I'm not sure I need another 2 height channels that bad...lol. Then to further confuse thigns there is the slightly older av7705, which can be had pretty (relativly) cheap, only $1800 on amazon right now, still a 2020 model, still 11.2, mostly the same feature set at least surface leval, but haven't found a direct comparision between the 2 yet, it's hard to know what to spend your money on where you wont have regret about spending too much or not enough.

[@Antimonkat]

From what I can tell, the current diffrence between the 7705 and 7706 is 4k vs 8k, and the 7706 has independent sub outs vs 2 mirrored sub outs on the 7705. Otherwise hardware and feature set seem identical.

[@missing1102]

Great video. I really learned a lot by listening to this.

[@TylerStout]

AVR is for the people that can't spend all that money at once. It's a lot easier to buy and AVR then slowly build up an army of amps for everything then once you get that switch it to pre-pro mode then when it's upgrade time again that's when you get a processor. I enjoyed hearing it from a different perspective. Good video!

[@Youthman]

Thanks. Yes separates tends to be quite a bit more expensive than an all in one AVR.