Do Protestants Really Worship God?

There's no such thing as "Protestant worship," since there are huge variations in how Protestants approach Sunday services. But one area upon which Protestants are nearly unanimous is in their denial of the sacrificial nature of the Mass. But what does omitting sacrifice from Sunday do to our ability to call Protestant services "worship"?
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[@tomcha75]

Born and raised Catholic. Poorly Catechised. Drifted away from the faith in high school, then lived a shameful life during the university years. Sort of came back and got married in the Church (mostly for cultural and family reasons). Wandered through various Protestant churches, but couldn't shake the feeling something was missing through all the songs, shouting, crying, sermons, etc... Came back to the Catholic Church and it hit me. It was the Eucharist. Cried like a baby.

[@LauraBeeDannon]

Become a catechist, I highly encourage it. Your story is like mine. I want to help keep the kids from making my mistakes.

[@tomcha75]

@@LauraBeeDannon Thanks. Something to think and pray about.

[@tony1685]

@@LauraBeeDannon ma'am, is it not a mistake to follow a system which is contrary God's Word?

[@freisberg103]

Same here! Then I became a catehist and my faith in Jesus and His Church grew astronomically. For what it’s worth lol

[@tomcha75]

@@tony1685 It is not a mistake to follow the Church Christ founded. It is not a mistake to follow and obey the authority given by Christ. It IS a mistake to follow anything that deviated and separated from that Church.

[@ChrisBurton-mf3gk]

“While Protestants study the menu, Catholics enjoy the meal.” -Dr. Scott Hahn

[@countryboyred]

And Orthodox eat a banquet

[@ChrisBurton-mf3gk]

@@countryboyred No salt and pepper, though. 🤣

[@Fasolislithuan]

@@countryboyred A banquet at inconsistent restaurants (autocephalous churches) without the presence of the master chef (bishop of Rome)

[@countryboyred]

@@Fasolislithuan Lmao I’m Protestant but I love how triggered everyone gets at this stuff

[@cbbees1468]

@@Fasolislithuan A master chef of Marxist ideology, normalizing homosexuality and preaching on climate change instead of the Gospel. Slow clap for your Flat Earth assessment of the situation.

[@HumanDignity10]

“Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist “ by Brant Pitre is an excellent book , it gave me chills several times. It’s hard for me to understand how Protestants can claim Catholics don’t prioritize Jesus when we’re the ones with the huge crucifixes front and center in our churches, and receiving His body and blood, as He instructed, is central to every Mass.

[@billpletikapich5640]

Yes! I have been to several protestant services and they tend to feel like bible studies, sometimes sprinkled with politics

[@thundershadow]

* It’s hard for me to understand how Protestants can claim Catholics don’t prioritize Jesus * That is not an accurate depiction of the charges against Catholicism. The charge is that things that only Jesus could/can do Catholics invoke others to accomplish those things. The most glaring instance of this is your veneration of a man who is not Jesus being the head of the Church. You know this is an issue so don't pretend to be perplexed. * when we’re the ones with the huge crucifixes front and center in our churches * A virtue signal is not empirical evidence indicating virtue. Jesus made this point when he said... to be careful while being virtuous that you not derive from it an earthly reward. * receiving His body and blood, as He instructed, is central to every Mass. * It's a monument. 'as often as you do it, this do in remembrance of me'. The actual inheritance from his visit to us is his word and his spirit which we are to receive.

[@billpletikapich5640]

@@thundershadow The cross a a virtue signal? Veneration of a man? You could learn a lot if you attended a Catholic Mass.

[@michaelbarry1664]

@thundershadow “This is my body….this is my blood” - Jesus Christ

[@thundershadow]

@@michaelbarry1664 * “This is my body….this is my blood” - Jesus Christ * Once again... he said 'this do in remembrance of me'. It is a monument. And John chapter 1 tells us he is the word. This can only be done spiritually. He is the bread of life. He is the light of the world in him there is no darkness at all. These things are FACTUAL without being literal. Just like he is the door into the sheepfold. It is a fact without being literal. He is the ark of our salvation. That does not make him a boat but it does suggest how he will save us just like he will save us granting us entrance into the sheepfold by entering into him, into his death by baptism by faith.

[@cruznature7545]

After 15 years of falling away from my faith and then rediscovering it in a deeper sense of what it actually means to be Catholic, to be humble and submisive to Christ, to completely give yourself to him to understand that it is not about me and all about him. To receive the Eucharist after so many years brought tears to my eyes and it filled me with such joy that i sensed Jesus saying i have been waiting for you. I now attend mass and leave with this immense peace .Thank you Jesus i love you with all my heart❤❤❤

[@AttackDog0500]

As a Protestant, you bring forward an interesting argument worth chewing on. Your title was admittedly quite inflammatory to me and I came in expecting a massive strawman, but having heard your argument, I think it's an interesting thought. What does worship look like is a good question to ask.

[@Sheilamarie2]

Steve Ray's wife opened the door to their conversion when she questioned their "worship". She intuitively knew "something" was missing (they found, the sacrifice of the Mass).... It is biblical, to "bring your gift to the alter"; they do not have an alter... but most, a stage... God Bless.

[@stephenwright4973]

The Eucharist (the Lord's Table is what Paul calls it) is definitely a form of worship, though not the only one. This video makes the usual Catholic assumption that Protestants don't (and can't) really observe that ordinance, and don't take it seriously even if they did (or could) observe it. He is assuming from the outset that Catholic doctrine about the Eucharist is correct, but until that is proven he can't really charge the Protestants with neglecting true worship.

[@AttackDog0500]

@@stephenwright4973 Right, of course, and there are lots of Protestant traditions that have an altar and observe the Lords Supper in a similar (though not identical) manner to the Catholics. Even if I largely agreed, I could still be Anglican or Lutheran (right now I attend a Baptist church) but I found his argument thought-provoking nonetheless.

[@MillionthUsername]

@@stephenwright4973 "He is assuming from the outset that Catholic doctrine about the Eucharist is correct, but until that is proven..." It was proven when it came from the mouth of the Lord. This is the Faith since day one. There has never been any other.

[@stephenwright4973]

@@MillionthUsername that, of course, is the heart of the dispute. We all acknowledge the binding authority of Christ. Sadly, there is profound disagreement about what He really said. May He have mercy on us all.

[@joshuas1834]

Protestant here. This is the best handling of this topic i have ever seen. You gave me a ton to think about and I already believed in real presence prior to watching this. I'll be checking out more of your content.

[@Nolongeraslave]

He is saying your worship is not worship 😢

[@joshuas1834]

@@Nolongeraslave I understand that. I can still listen to and learn from people who disagree with me. Even if my position is correct and his is wrong, I still want the best arguments for his position. I think he provided that so I'm thankful.

[@Nolongeraslave]

@@joshuas1834 Yeah, that was the reason why I stopped by, to listen, eagerly waiting to learn what worship is, I was disappointed though. Maybe because I attended a Catholic Boarding school, and knew the Mass and liturgies. These changes nothing, if a person is not born again by the Spirit of God. Even now, sometimes I lack word to express to God, and turning to worship through the Psalms helps me to "touch" God. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and truth. I was expecting this to be the main Scripture to focus on. When Thomas saw the risen Lord, He worshipped, but not through Eucharist.

[@edbertels]

@@Nolongeraslave Catholics are born again. The Bible way. Through the water and spirit of baptism as Jesus teaches in Jn 3:3-5. Which precedes anyone who can participate in the Eucharist. Born again isn’t some emotional experience from a made-up sinners prayer. Might want to listen to the whole thing.

[@Nolongeraslave]

@@edbertels I agree, born again is not emotional experience made up of sinners prayer, nor is it baptismal water. Jesus did not say you must be baptised with water and the Spirit, He said you must be born again by water and by the Spirit. As you rush in confidence, take heed, you may be wrong.

[@kutsous9342]

As a Protestant at this stage, I appreciate your in depth analysis. I’m considering attending my first mass but do not know what to expect.

[@SF-my2ym]

Don’t worry about what to expect. Just go and just follow what everyone else does. See how it is. After Mass go and talk to the Priest and ask about RCIA. RCIA is religious classes that should get you familiar with Catholic teachings. Also get a book or two on Catholic Mass to get you more familiar. There’s not much to stress about as long as you know that you’re there to worship God. God Bless! 😉🙏🏾

[@larrylim3571]

Understand with reason of the intellect of the mind, and pray using the intellect of the heart. Judging and understanding only with the intellect and unfounded or lacking intellect of three heart lead to misjudgements and loseness.

[@minorityvoice9253]

Expect to feel uncomfortable and confused. It's OK that's normal. Read the book of revelation the parts about the lamb on a throne and those in white worshipping him. Then you'll start to get the mystical reality behind the physical acts you are witnessing. It's worship that happens before your eyes AND in heaven simultaneously. You just have to have the eyes of faith to see it!! Talk about sola fide!!

[@danielalovejesus7912]

I also recommend Kardinal Ratzinger's book: The Spirit of the Liturgy

[@healhands5760]

enter RCIA

[@ArchangelIcon]

A very enjoyable and useful presentation. As an Eastern Orthodox Christian myself, this is where Roman Catholics and Orthodox are in total agreement.

[@Stygard]

I converted to Catholicism a little over 5 years ago. I was a Baptist Minister before that. The first path for me was the issue of Authority and Sola Scriptura connected to the idea of Apostolic succession and the place of Sacred Tradition along side the magisterium and Sacred Scripture. But the understanding of the Eucharist as the real presence, the Body blood, soul, and divinity tied to the Sacrifice of the Mass was what awoken my desire to come home to the Catholic church. I have found that this understanding of Sacrifice and its connection to worship is so foreign to most protestants that in conversations with my family members and other friends they have no frame of reference to grasp it and they are not interested in the long explanation and putting the pieces together to get to the Eucharist as a sacrifice. It is also so hard to talk about this because I don’t want to seem like I am attacking or discounting their experience and relationship with Jesus. Most are offended by and put off by claiming they are lacking something at their church. I was pretty pushy mostly talking about Sola Scriptura when I was first converting and at times was harsh with my criticisms so I am patiently waiting, praying for humility, for an open door to evangelize. I deeply long for my family members to come home to Catholicism, to experience the joy and love I have gained by becoming Catholic.

[@N1IA-4]

Awesome testimony. I was a heavy anti-catholic protestant, and when a baptist, also a Pastor albeit for a short time. I saw the eucharist was true and became Lutheran. Then I realized that Lutheranism was not true either. It was hard but finally recognized the True Church. So many Protestants hate Catholicism and fight it.

[@barborazajacova7633]

I've heard the Protestant claim (misrepresentation of Catholic theology) that the sacrifice of Mass is re-sacrificing Jesus and that's why they think it is wrong. Surely not all Protestants have this idea but many do. Is this the main obstacle to accepting that the Eucharist is the ultimate worship that God demands? I heard many explanations what they consider an offering or sacrifice to God (praise, consecrating oneself to God,...) and all those things are good but it seems to me that they tend to spiritualize everything. The Eucharist is probably too literal or incarnated for them, or that is at least my impression. I even heard that John 6 speaks symbolically about the spiritual fellowship with Christ and about reading the Word of God that they identify with the Bread that Jesus speaks about. I'm speaking a bit imprecisely but I'm not a native English speaker nor a theologian.

[@Sheilamarie2]

Beautiful testimony, we all keep praying for unity, as it was in the beginning, and is supposed to be: one Church. God bless!

[@TrixRN]

@@barborazajacova7633You’ve explained it very well. Yes that’s exactly what many Protestants believe or at least my old denomination, Baptist.

[@kynesilagan2676]

ditto

[@ToddJambon]

Father Mike Schmitz had a show about why and how we worship. He talked about how on Mother's Day, he and his siblings asked their mom what she wanted and she said she just wanted them to get along and do their chores. They weren't interested in that and all came up with different gifts for her. At the end of the day, she acknowledged that while the gifts were good, they weren't what she asked for. That seems to be the gist here: at some point, some Protestant groups decided they would do their own, non-biblical services that don't include worship. And while most are good, they aren't what God asked of us. Also, sacrifice is possibly the best type of worship because it shows you trust in God. Old-Testament folks could have made a lot of money off the Paschal lamb or a fattened calf, but would instead sacrifice it to God, trusting He would provide them that money in some other way.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

Thanks for sharing that Mother's Day analogy. That's very helpful.

[@rhwinner]

Yes, sacrifice presupposes trust or faith in God . Nice point!

[@georgefuentes4112]

🤯 🤯 🤯 beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

[@davidcole333]

also Fr Mike....The heard of religion is worship and the heart of worship is sacrifice.

[@jakehccc1]

I'm amazed how devoted the Catholic Believer and commentator is so willing to divide and not welcome other Christian Denominations into the Fight against a Secular Society that is growing by Leaps and Bounds to Destroy Christ in American Life. Makes me wonder, who''s side the Roman Catholic Church on exactly? Such petty topics abound throughout the internet and is serving Satan' objectives. Fiddling around while Christ Burns seems to be the Catholic mantra?

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

I remember speaking to a guy who ran a “church” similar to hillsong.. during the conversation he let slip.. yeah we give people what they want.. modern music. Disco lights… huge screens etc… rock music, the whole shebang.. and I just thought “you are giving people what they want but not giving them what they need”

[@bernardauberson7218]

Oui! Moi, j’appelle 😊ça un culte -Bataclan !

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

The problem with your statement is the stereotype it presents as if all non catholic churches are modeled after this sort of rubbish. Find yourself a church that teaches Christ crucified the only hope for salvation where the pastor is not on the radio or on the TV and is teaching the believers . Vast difference.

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

@@brucewmclaughlin9072 In John 6:53-57, Jesus says, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Upon hearing these words, many of Jesus’ followers said, “This is a hard teaching” (verse 60), and many of them actually stopped following Him that day… Do you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man? Do you partake of the Holy Eucharist. As Jesus said you should? Or do you take a “symbol” of it?

[@Bobby-xr4bo]

@@brucewmclaughlin9072 did you read the part which said ‘similar to hillsong’. ?

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

@@Bobby-xr4bo No I did not miss that reference , But looking at what some churches do for entertainment or to target certain age groups for monetary gain certainly reflects very badly on churches that are pastored by genuine believers. I know a church where the pastor works as a janitor 5 days a week and pastors a small church group on Sundays. You will not find him on radio or television and mentioning his name will not even appear as important on google.

[@anitavaughn1968]

John 4:24 I’m converting to Catholicism and will enter the church on Easter of 2024. Before when I was still a Christian and I believe I worshipped God in spirit and in truth. I stand by my worship and I trust God received it. I love Him so very much.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

You've made some very persuasive arguments, Joe. If I listen to your podcast enough, I may eventually become Catholic. It will take a while, though, because Protestant churches are all I've known. I wish that Catholics and Protestants were closer in love and friendship. We have so much tension between us. Jesus told us to love our enemies, but we're falling down on the job.

[@tafazzi-on-discord]

It's regrettable that the situation is like that in your area. I'm thankful for the work of pope Francis and the few popes that preceded him, ecumenism is important! We need friendship and respectful contructive dialogue between us, may God give you discernment.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

God bless you on your journey, I'm happy to play whatever role I can! I agree with you on the need for a mutual growth in love and friendship. I've seen some positive signs on this front, and I have a tremendous love and respect for my friends who are both Protestants and former Protestants. Amongst the latter, it was clear that God was doing some very real in their lives while they were still Protestants, and it sounds like He may be at work in your own life, as well.

[@PolymorphicPenguin]

@@JosephHeschmeyer Thank you for your very kind words, Joe. It sounds like you are fostering peace between Catholics and Protestants in your own life.

[@Catholic101A.]

I have a protestant friend at work and him and i get along just fine he has made me lots of questions regarding my faith and have always answered him the best I could sometimes answered with an actual question to him, for instance he has ask me was Jesus christian or catholic? I ask well what did Jesus say in Matthew 28:19 (all nations) I told him that means Catholic, he had no answer, he said his cousin is a Deacon at his congregation and told him not to engage with me because I might confuse him but said if one day i wanted to talk about the Bible I'm welcome, I said ok but only if you are present, that hasent happen yet, but with love and good carrying I'm showing him we as catholics might bring people in our lives as one truth and not dividing, God bless....

[@ilonkastille2993]

The Truth will set you free my friend. Not knowing something is not considered a sin in Catholicism.

[@kibawhitefang7176]

I’ve been in different denominations. And many years outside of a church. When I was very young in the 90’s, my father and I end up at a Catholic parish praying for the custody of my little brother, and that was answered so quickly. Pressing forward over 20 years ago, and despite my then to-be my godmother tried to get me into the faith but I was never drew in. I’m sure she kept me in her prayers. ⚜️Last year was decisive. Since I am connected to history and even things from France 🇫🇷, I end up finally wondering what really is _Joan of Arc_ all about. I watched a documentary film about her and I was so attracted to her conviction and devotion. And seeing how things played on, there’s just no way she could have done it all by herself and by mere coincidence. France could never be France without her. And is all documented. The truth doesn’t pick a side of bias. Joan sparked my calling to faith like anything before… and I then end up coming to my nearest parish and took the RCAI classes. _”I am not afraid, I was born to do this”_ Although I also followed up along the way with more sources, just like father Chris Alar, one of the marians fathers from the Divine Mercy. 🇵🇱 But also, I recommend watching Saint Faustina’s film. How deep and how mystic her life story is and how everything, everything leads to Jesus. _”Jesus, I trust in you”_ 🇵🇱 And the more I went the more I fell in love with the Church and started understanding Mary even more and understanding her motherhood as our spiritual mother too. 🙏🏻 As well as how passionate and how merciful was Saint Mother Teresa. “To love till it hurts” ♥️ 🇮🇪 Is amazing how even people celebrates Saint Patrick’s Day and many don’t know what they are celebrating. The meaning of the shamrock ☘️ Many don’t know the origins of Christmas (Christ + Mass) and the origins of Santa Claus (Saint Nicolas) 🎄 I got baptized, confirmed (Joan of Arc is my confirmation name) and took first Holy Communion on _Easter Vigil_ this year, and got a flight for my grandmother and my godmother who had me in her prayers from a beginning despite waiting and hoping for almost 8 years. Just be patient, the more you dive in, the more everything starts to make even more sense. So much more.

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment. God bless.

[@kibawhitefang7176]

@@simonslater9024 Which?

[@kibawhitefang7176]

@@po18guy oh Yes, he is mentioned in a documentary film about Joan which sparked my _calling to faith_ Very interesting and worth looking at. Thanks for sharing. 🙏🏻

[@rsmyth75]

Read mark twains amazing story of St Joan as only Twain can he never become Catholic! But enjoy!!!

[@grose2012]

What a lovely testimony thank u 4 sharing the Lord's work in ur life x

[@jessebrennan7130]

I came across your channel because I am a non-denominational Christian wanting to look into converting to Catholicism. The 'Worship' part of our service comes before the sermon where we sing praise and worship songs. This is always been my understanding of worship. But you've made it so clear that worship is so much more than that. What we should just be plainly called Praise... Thank you so much for this very informative video! I will continue to watch more of your videos and learn all i can.

[@ingoditrust7784]

Since the Church of Christ was, originally, the Roman Catholic Church, if you keep looking you logically should end up Catholic. Please understand it's not about an angelic congregation, we're sinners, we're trying. No one should ever have gone so far as to part ways with the Church founded by Jesus Christ. All humanity is still paying the price for this repeated mistake. United in faith under the Church willed by the Lord, we would have been so strong... There's a presentation by a converted Protestant pastor, Dr. John Bergsma, priceless. I hope you watch it, it's also very entertaining. God Bless

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?peace;iii

[@ingoditrust7784]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037 what do you mean it does not appear? There is the First Person (Our Father in Heaven), the Second Person (the Word, Logos, Our Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnated Son) and there is the Spirit of God. Also, doesn't it say: be like a child when it comes to God? If God had wanted you to become a theologian, you probably would be one. But whether a theologian or a layman, you should be concerned with loving God (and neighbor, but always for God's sake). No theologian will be able to explain the Trinity, because... it's a mystery (for now). Pax Christi

[@ingoditrust7784]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037 and, by the way, nowhere in the Bible does it say "Sola scriptura" or "Sola fide", either. Last, no Protestant can really explain away the Eucharist, the Real Presence, Mary's Virginity or title of "Queen of Heaven" (Dr. John Bergsma explains these things beautifully)

[@anthonythistle1465]

Roman Catholicism is a cult that I was born into. I escaped it many years ago and will never come back.

[@cherylfeddersen8584]

I was a protestant for a few years went back to my Catholic upbringing and couldn't be happier

[@Downey-2000]

I've been everywhere too . Lutheran churches , Orthodox , born again , all kinds of different churches . I was even a communist for a while . The Catholic Church just feels like home to me .

[@mariyamashraf258]

Our catholic churches are most entertaining than faith

[@amysands8925]

@@Downey-2000 The differance is the Protestant read the bible. The Catholics is all about tredition and all that pomp and ceremony. I could never understand where Jesus is in that.

[@Downey-2000]

@@amysands8925 he's everywhere and when we go to church the priest reads a verse from the Bible . It's the same verse in all the Catholic churches all around the world . We sing , pray and worship while thinking of the same verse in unison .

[@latinboyyy305]

How do you feel now that the Pope will be blessing homosexual unions? Just curious. I'm Eastern Orthodox because I don't believe in Papal infallibility, including ex cathedra which was never taught until 1870.

[@user-nelliernnr]

As a charismatic pentacostal trying to reason my way into the Catholic faith this helps so much! I love all your teachings and Catholic answers episodes and have been learning so much! I look forward to getting the book.

[@tubinho79]

Thank you SO MUCH!!! God Bless you.

[@fritula6200]

User in reply.... We look forward to you coming in: User, please pray for all Protestants: Love to you . God bless ❤

[@DavidNicholson101]

These replies are so sad.

[@jupiterjones64]

Nice straw man attack from you. This carb kid speaker has stated A lot of his own thoughts. Don't see any proper biblical application. Tue catholic church is still babylon. Bible 1 Catholics 0.

[@mauriciorv228]

@weaponofchoice-tc7qsthe patience part is the hardest one not gonna lie

[@JimCvit]

I read the transcript of your podcast on CAL the other day. I make a morning offering every day. I go to Mass almost every day and know it's a sacrifice but this opened my eyes even more. I've been meditating on this since I read it and I can only say that it's "lifted my heart" many, many times to the Father. There were things you mentioned that I forgot. Forget about Protestant "worship," we Catholics needtobe reminded of this. Thanks be to God for you!

[@tubinho79]

Indeed, many Catholics do not know about this, unfortunately.

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?peace

[@alonsoACR]

​@@lufhopespeacefully2037 Because the Trinity is a necessary deduction from Biblical truths about God. A consummation of all the Bible taught us of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. To deny the Trinity is to deny the Bible.

[@Richard-oo6pc]

I grew up as a JW, moved on to protestantism before becoming a Catholic in 2018. Ive always felt like protestant "worship" was more like a weekly bible study.

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

So you were a JW, a protestant, and now a Catholic". the perfect recipe for losers.

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

Bible Studies leads you to know and to worship the true God. Masses, Rosaries, and idolatry lead you to worship the devil.

[@Richard-oo6pc]

@benjaminfalzon4622 You know, as a Christian, I chuckle when johnny-come-lately protestants who believe in doctrines invented by men (Luther, Calvin etc) 1500+ years after the Church was established call anyone idoloters. Educate yourself about the Church and its history before making such ignorant statements.

[@benjaminfalzon4622]

@@Richard-oo6pcI have educated myself. Now it's your turn. Let's take a look at God's Ten Commandments in Deut 5. In the Second Commandment in Deut 5:8-9, God commands his people to abstain from all kinds of images and idols of worship. But in the Catholic Church, the second Commandment as in Deut 5:8-9, concerning idolatry has gone missing. And the Catholic Church went and did exactly the opposite of what God commanded his people not to do🤐. Check it out for yourself" Compare God's second commandment in Deut 5:8-9, with the second commandment of the catholic church. Then read Psalm 115 Which describes idols and the people that bow down before them. like the Catholic church does. Obviously, the Catholics are not the people of God. And I'm sure you will send me a bunch of excuses and denials.🤗

[@Murph_gaming]

What's weirder is Protestants who call Catholics idoloters(not all of us do)have no problem accepting the Nicene and Apostles creeds@@Richard-oo6pc

[@shylalee3157]

I have been focusing in on this very subject for the last several months...lacking the words to articulate exactly what I was feeling. Your video dropped into my lap and solved that issue in one episode! Background - I was received into the Church 10 years ago after a lifelong magnetism toward the Church. I came in from a Protestant context and still have many, many family and friends in the non Catholic Christian arena. I lead RCIA at my parish and can't thank you enough for isolating this issue of worship and why services and celebrations lacking the Eucharist are not worship - they have goodness in them - but not worship. Thank you, thank you!

[@user-th6yf5uo6h]

I am convert to the Catholic Church and I am still wondering after 13 years how I missed the very core of Christian worship for 30 years as a Pentecostal (even Elder). 😮

[@Sheilamarie2]

Wow! Glad you are Home! God Bless!

[@jakubwawrzyczek886]

Nope.

[@jk777212]

​@@jakubwawrzyczek886Lol, nope to your nope

[@Terry19330]

@user-th6yf5uo6h I feel same way~ a strong way I encountered Father, Son and Holy Spirit during almost 40 yrs in evangelical church was through music and communion(even though it was just once a month. Maybe that’s the same for you. Grateful that we can worship and pray daily now in Catholic Mass💚

[@wms72]

Welcome home to the family of God

[@J-PLeigh8409]

The truth of the Eucharist was absolutely the main reason I came home to Catholicism & only about a year ago, as true worship is sacrifice, we are called to be partakers of the divine nature through the holy sacrament, always abiding in our Lord Jesus Christ

[@TrixRN]

Same here, 9 years ago.

[@sheldonspider86]

The only problem is that the Eucharist isnt literally the body of Christ. The Lord gave the bread and wine to the apostles BEFORE he was cruficied, which obviously means that its symbolic and not literal. How could they have been literally eating the blood/body at the last supper when his body had not been slain yet?

[@alwaysmarcy9428]

do you know that giving children the sacrament of communion is putting their salvation at risk, as they don't understand the true meaning of it,

[@skrohl9376]

⁠ why do you put earthly limitations on God? Faith in what is incomprehensible to us and our flawed human logic is what this whole thing is about.

[@J-PLeigh8409]

@@sheldonspider86 you completely miss the meaning, the miracle, & the memorial of the once for all time sacrifice of Christ. Its not cannibalistic, did you even watch the vid? Btw prior to the Last Supper in the gospels Christ even tells his disciples his body & blood are true food & true drink hence they left but the Lord did not stop them. The mystery & beauty of the miracle of the Eucharist requires faith that the Lords words are true, he is the heavenly manna, The Supper of the Lamb..its not another bloody sacrifice but His presence, body, blood, soul & divinity under the species of bread & wine. We are united w/ Him as partakers of the divine nature per Saint Peter. Do you think a mere symbol would bring judgement such as Saint Paul describes if taken in an unworthy manner?

[@jldisme]

I'm a convert, and I love the eucharist. You explained worship so well! Thank you! God bless you and your work.

[@crekow]

As a lifelong Catholic who almost left the church for non-denom Protestantism in my college years, I find this presentation fascinating. One of the things that kept me in the Church at that time (despite having serious doctrinal challenges going on in my head) was the nagging feeling that singing hymns and reading the Bible was just not enough to render proper worship to an almighty God. It just didn't feel adequate to me. I was told that my Catholic upbringing instilled in me a distorted need for "pomp, ceremony and mysterious rites" - as if these were all vain excesses meant to stroke human vanity rather than "worshipping in spirit and truth" etc. This explanation never took root in me, because I knew instinctively it was false. Whatever faults he might have, A man who kneels before what appears to be bread and prays, "my Lord and my God" is NOT acting out of vanity at that moment. It is about as far away from vanity as one can get in this world. The other thing I was told was that it was superstitious idolatry, but that also never took root in me, because I simply could not accept the Protestant take on John 6. It just did not make sense to me that Jesus would speak this way about his body - so persistently and so adamantly, without having some very profound purpose in mind. The Eucharist more than anything has kept me Catholic.

[@arcyhicks8335]

Sorry, but everything you said actually proves that you've been brainwashed. What's truly sad is that you can't hear yourself.

[@meljk6431]

Seek God for who He is and He will reveal Himself to you. As you hear the Gospel to not hardened your heart!

[@crekow]

@@meljk6431 I hear the Gospel every time I attend Mass. Thankyou. Speaking of hardened hearts, Christians should not be like those who said, "“This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” (John 6:60)

[@glotree]

I grew up Protestant and had that same feeling - is singing and listening to a lecture really what worship is all about? That sense of there being something more led me to the Catholic Church.

[@simonslater9024]

Please read my comment. God bless.

[@richardmh1987]

Most of my family are catholics, me included, but some uncles are protestants. My uncle, husband of my father's sister, is actually a pastor in Pentecostal tradition. So we have in occasions took part in their services, for example, in my cousisn weddings. Now, I´m not a big fan of them singing and dancing religious songs, or my uncle giving some sermons, he is actually very good at it, but those services always seemed empty to me without the Eucharist, which is the whole point of going to mass on sundays. Thank you for the video.

[@nhdxh405]

As a Catholic you gotta get to the confessional for taking part in protestant services. Just as scandalous as Catholic back in the day attending Martin Luther's protestant services.

[@richardmh1987]

@@nhdxh405 as far as I know is not a sin just to sit down and be present in a loved one's wedding as far as you don't take an active part like reading the scripture for them or if you try to substitute the Catholich mass for a protestant service since they don't have the Eucarist. Anyway, they married like 15 years ago and I've confessed many times since and I recently tried to confess some sins I forgot and the Priest told me: I will confess you and give you the absolution but those sins were long past been forgiven already. And yeah, even if I got invited to another protestant service for a wedding I would go but just stay sitted just being present and going to Catholic mass to receive the Eucarist, or Confess and recieve the Eucarist if is the case.

[@carlg5860]

Your presence at a protestant service lends legitimacy to an illegitimate service, worshipping God in a way He does not wish to be worshipped.

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?peace;iii

[@richardmh1987]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" seems pretty clear to me. Besides if you want the word "Trinity" itself to appear in the Bible that would be hard since the text was written originally in Greek and the word Trinity was a Latin word

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Two quick comments to add, based on the conversation in the comments: 1. If you don't know the difference between worship and prayer, it's easy to think that Catholics "worship" Mary when we pray to her. But the real problem might be that you're merely praying to God when you should be worshipping Him. If you're not giving God any more than what we Catholics give Mary, you're not giving God enough. 2. Hebrews 7:27 is sometimes used to argue against sacrificial worship in Christianity. Leaving aside the fact that Christian worship is explicitly sacrificial in the New Testament (in places like Hebrews 13:15-16 and Romans 12:1), this also misunderstands how Jewish (and even pagan!) sacrifices worked. Since Jesus is our Passover Lamb (1 Cor. 5:7), take the Passover sacrifice as an example. It has two clear stages: Preparation Day, on which the lamb was slain, and Passover itself (the First Day of Unleavened Bread) on which the lamb was eaten. Eating the Lamb didn't "re-sacrifice" him. It completed the sacrifice. Or if you prefer, the merits of the lamb's death were applied in the Passover liturgy. So it's true, Christ dies a sacrificial death, once for all. That's our Preparation Day (John 19:14) and it's unrepeated and unrepeatable. But the merits of Christ's death on the Cross must still be applied in our lives, and the chief way that's done (sacrificially speaking) is the eating of the Lamb, which is why the Last Supper and the Mass are inseparable from Good Friday and Calvary.

[@Forester-]

Don't forget early reception: Didache- On the Lord’s own day, assemble in common to break bread and offer thanks; but first confess your sins, so that your sacrifice may be pure. However, no one quarreling with his brother may join your meeting until they are reconciled; your sacrifice must not be defiled. For here we have the saying of the Lord: In every place and time offer me a pure sacrifice; for I am a mighty King, says the Lord; and my name spreads terror among the nations (Malachi 1:11). Ignatius- Do nothing without the bishops; for they are priests, and thou a servant of the priests. They baptize, offer sacrifice, ordain, and lay on hands Justin Martyr- “Accordingly, God, anticipating all the sacrifices which we offer through this name, and which Jesus the Christ enjoined us to offer, i.e., in the Eucharist of the bread and the cup, and which are presented by Christians in all places throughout the world, bears witness that they are well-pleasing to Him.

[@barbarahale7365]

Forgive my ignorance, why was the Child Jesus found in the temple teaching and not the synagogue? Was this just an outer court type thing where teaching also occurred at the temple place?

[@racheljohnson9489]

​@@barbarahale7365I believe he was just in the outer courts where he found his brethren and thus asked questions there shocking the elders and teachers. He wasn't actually inside where sacrifices were made. But why the temple is a good question. I wonder if his being present at the temple specifically was a foreshadowing of his "Lambhood" if you get my meaning. 🤷‍♀️ So he was where he was born to be. The future fulfilment of His Father's plan.

[@MrFisher210]

How are you creating a distribution between worship and prayer? Is this the same as saying their is a difference between sacrifice and prayer for you?

[@fritula6200]

And that happens on every day of the week at every Holy Mass in the world: every day! 24/7 :

[@1santaclauseHoHoHo]

Hello, Joseph Heschmeyer. Your podcast is awesome! Thank you for this excellent presentation!; it is fantastic! God bless!

[@atjh9641]

Magnificent insight into the essence of our Christian life: our worship of the Triune God through Christ in the Church's eucharistic liturgy, in the holy sacrifice of the Mass, in the offering of ourselves along with the elements, both of which are to be offered to God, along with the bread and wine decreed by Our Lord to be the matter of the offering, and again the repeating of His words, the form, to effect the now-divine matter of the entire offering to God, in a recall of Christ's atoning sacrifice on Mount Calvary some two thousand years ago on that awesome and scary Good Friday afternoon! What a dynamite and brilliant teacher of the Gospel are you! You clearly belong to God in a most edifying way!

[@iluvlexiful]

I had a strange dream last night. I was at Mass but it wasn’t in a church it was in an auditorium and the seating was not facing the altar. The priest came up to the altar and prayed the first half of the mass, the liturgy of the Word, but then he left and we sat quietly for a short while. After that they sang and made a few announcements and a woman came up and thanked everyone for being there and church was over. No Eucharist. No kneeling No blessing at the end. I woke up feeling an incompleteness. I am so grateful to have been raised in the Catholic faith and have always had the Sacraments. I just can’t imagine if that dream was real life- not having Jesus there present. His presence is a gift 🎁

[@alexchristopher221]

Catholics suffered the most among Christians during the Covid pandemic lockdowns and church closures for weeks or months on end.

[@jakehccc1]

@@alexchristopher221 I have no doubt that is True. My Evangelical Church never closed down yet was sued by the State and lost, giving the Church over 3/4 of a million dollars. Didn't hear any Catholic Bishops even try to take that stand!

[@apostolicapologetics4829]

@@alexchristopher221 Agreed!

[@fritula6200]

That was a temptation! Dismiss it, DO NOT dwell on it: The evil spirit of FEAR! GO TO CONFESSION AND EXPLAIN IT TO THE PRIEST IF YOU WANT ANSWERS: GOD BLESS.

[@glennherron9499]

​@@alexchristopher221Weird, so many Priests died from "C"! I cannot figure out how or why. Having apostolic succession one would think they would heal their sick and raise their dead! Weird, they can only do that which has no physical proof!

[@thomasvanantwerp728]

I attended with some relatives several years ago a so-called Protestant "mega church." The service felt like a combination of a rock music performance, a college lecture, and a city hall meeting. I left with an utterly empty feeling. Not once did I sense the presence of God in that "auditorium."

[@Apriluser]

Yep. A concert and a lecture. Grew up evangelical and now an evangelical Anglican. Thanks be to God!

[@andrevisser7542]

Many of the "mega churches" are good news preachers, telling people what they want to hear, not what is really written in the Bible.

[@Ajas0810]

Did they have a light show? 😅

[@TheAegis1000]

The presence of God should dwell within you ... and in the hearts of your christian brothers and sisters. Are you looking for more than the manifestation of "God in You" ???

[@wbl5649]

exactly. And the first time I attended a Traditional Latin Mass ( FSSP) 2 years ago I felt the presence of God so strongly I've never gone back to Evangelicalism.

[@bengoolie5197]

In discussions with Protestants, I find that for every time they say the word "God" or "Jesus", they say the word "bible" 5 or 6 times. A few times I have told them that they seem to worship the bible rather than God, and have gotten some "deer in the headlights" looks from them.

[@RosalindToh]

As a baptized & confirmed Catholic who has attended Protestant worship (besides regularly attending Catholic Mass), I have this to say: Protestants lack the desire to obey Jesus' commands to 'eat my flesh & drink my blood' (John 6: 53-56) in the Eucharist, but Catholics lack the desire to obey Jesus' command to share the Gospel (Matt 28:19,20; Mark 16:15). Catholics tend to keep their faith to themselves, with no passion for evangelization & for fellowship in church. Protestants seem to have greater passion for the Bible & for witnessing to Christ. After His Resurrection, the first thing Jesus did was to explain scriptures to His disciples. The heart of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus burned as Jesus explained scriptures to them (this is lacking in many Catholic priests' homilies for Mass), before He broke bread at their home. Jesus did the first Mass in Emmaus - the Liturgy of the Word & Liturgy of the Eucharist. Both are equally important for Mass, but Catholics tend to give more attention to the Eucharist than to the Word! I'm still a Catholic, though!

[@bernardauberson7218]

Et moi , je leur dis qu’il bâtissent leur communauté avec du papier, à la rigueur, du papier-bible plus fin !

[@kerrykoehler2601]

Not true.

[@bengoolie5197]

@@kerrykoehler2601 Eleven upvotes on my comment says otherwise.

[@dhlong1697]

@@kerrykoehler2601 how can you refute a personal anecdote?

[@Zaradeptus]

Fantastic analysis. It really puts into perspective why Protestants get confused about Marian veneration.

[@CasshernSinz1613]

We aren't confused. We just don't rely on obtuse philosophy to justify paganism.

[@annlaborte7881]

WOW! Just wow! God is good! You just opened up a whole new understanding that is so relatable and steeped in scripture! Thank you!

[@alwaysmarcy9428]

make sure its in the HOLY Bible and not the Cath, bible

[@essafats5728]

@@alwaysmarcy9428 r u that ignorant of Christianity history? Unbelievable

[@SonicSnakeRecords]

​@@alwaysmarcy9428So why does the Catholic Bible have 73 books, while the protestant Bible has only 66 books? Some protestants believe that the Catholic Church added 7 books to the Bible at the Council of Trent in response to Luther’s Reformation, but that couldn’t be further from the truth. In about 367 AD, St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books. In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to. The Council of Trent, in 1546, in response to the Reformation removing 7 books from the canon (canon is a Greek word meaning “standard”), reaffirmed the original St. Athanasius list of 73 books. So what happened? How come the King James Bible only has 66 books?

[@lufhopespeacefully2037]

u r welcome,Why does the Trinity not appear in the Bible?peace;iii

[@SonicSnakeRecords]

@@lufhopespeacefully2037 Although the word "Trinity" does not occur in the Bible, the theological concept of the One God consisting of Three Divine Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is founded upon various New Testament texts. Christians have traditionally also seen the Trinity foreshadowed or alluded to in certain Old Testament texts.

[@richardhildreth4471]

I have been a convert a little over a year now after being a Protestant for fourty or more years. AI was Pentecostal for a short period of that time and as such I did experience what I feltt as worship. But not in any other Protestant church. The worship service consists of maybe twenty minutes or so of singing and only three of five verses of one of the hymns. Afterward the collection occurs followed by scripture reading and then a fourty five minute or more sermon which is the focus of the service. After the "worship" church announcements are given. Giving church announcements that sort of priority has ALWAYS felt sort of carnal to me. Also, if you want to sit in the pew and pray or sit in contemplation, FORGET IT. One of the big things Protestants like to do is chat, I mean fellowship. So there is, ironically, nothing noisier than a Protestant congregation waiting for the service to begin. I would struggle to pray or sit in contemplation. The Catholic Church, to me, has been a spring in a desert place.

[@fritula6200]

I understood your miracle of conversion! Blessings to you and yr family: God will convert yr family: All you need is to carry on daily yr Catholic Faith: Our Lord will use that: Leave alone yr family to God, He will convert them His way, NOT your way! Much love to you, for loving yr family: Well done!

[@gideondavid30]

Worship at home. That is what I do. Corporate worship at a church has many styles to it go where you feel comfortable. But at the end of the day it is personal. Can't see how you can jump the pentecostal ship for Catholicism with all its problematic doctrines. The aesthetics of a church isn't enough.

[@chriswest8389]

Sandman says attend a Jamaican serves( yes, Protestant) and you'll find a compatible experience of the presents of god .

[@alonsoACR]

​@@gideondavid30Worship at home??? Prayer is NOT worship. No wonder you think we worship Mary, you do not even know worship if it blew on your face. We have no doctrinal difficulties. It's on you to look up the Biblical justification for our beliefs.

[@ingoditrust7784]

​@@gideondavid30in the Catholic community, we say a lone Catholic is a soul in danger. There is an unmistakable social dimension to religion/relationship with/to God: love thy neighbor I guess has to start somewhere in an orderly manner, i.e. in the family and in the religious community. Also, what's your biggest problem with Catholic doctrine? I ask because it's too easy to make such accusations without specifying, it's like prejudice: would you say of a friend "there's just too many problems with him/her"? It seems to me that by using such a definitive expression you basically condemn everything about that person (or, mutatis mutandis, Catholic doctrine).

[@pdxnikki1]

When I was Protestant, it was never taught that the teaching & sermon were in any way worship. Worship came in singing to God before this. Prayer came before, during & after service. As a Jew growing up, there definitely was set liturgy in synagogue but worship and prayer- other than route recitation of Hebrew prayers- wasn't done. This is why I'm glad I'm Catholic.

[@markv1974]

Theres a lot of us jews who are catholic 😅.

[@pdxnikki1]

@@markv1974 its wonderful 😊

[@frenchtoast2319]

When does worship take place at a catholic church?

[@CasshernSinz1613]

Wait... I'm confused... you didn't connect your train of logic at all. You grew up Jewish, became Protestant (I guess?) And now you're Catholic? Your comment is very disjointed. I don't understand which came first and what you even consider Worship.

[@FreddyMontana69]

You gotta love how the catholic definition of worship is so precise that you can execute religious gestures that do not even qualify as worship and protestants have a definition of worship that is so broad, it's something you can do by accident.

[@mapaz555]

This was excellent thank you! Very good points, explained so well. It’s reminded me and made me very conscious of what I’m bringing to mass each day. To participate fully with my sacrifice. May Our Father Bless you, even more, your work, your thoughts, your family, your heart, May you be filled with the Holy Spirit

[@Sydroo1969]

Former protestant here. I can't thank holy spirit enough for guiding me to the Catholic Church. Really tired of protestants thinking they've cornered the market on salvation. I'll keep praying for them. I pity them.

[@KiethAnderson]

If I may and I only speak for myself, praying for your bother and sisters is a good thing, praying for those who think they have the truth and don't is a good thing. Praying for the unsaved, a good thing. Now it could be how I take the word pity but I think compassion be a better way of expressing it. Realize too whether RC or Prot. or Greek Orthodox, there are believers and unbelievers in all of them. Respect

[@colin1818]

"Really tired of protestants thinking they've cornered the market on salvation" The Roman Church teaches that if you're not members of their club then you're "outside the Church." Furthermore, they preach that they are justified in withholding things like communion from other Christians. While I have no doubt there are other Christian groups that are similarly exclusive. But to think that the church in Rome hasn't "cornered the market on salvation" feels silly.

[@johnnywomack548]

"Really tired of protestants thinking they've cornered the market on salvation."

[@colin1818]

@@johnnywomack548 - Pot, meet kettle.

[@RosalindToh]

​@@KiethAndersonDivision & disunity among Christians is the greatest obstacle to evangelization of non-believers. On Judgment Day, Christ will not ask us whether we're Catholic, or ask us our church/denomination. He will ask if we're His disciples & whether we do the will of the Father. Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well, "God is spirit, & His worshippers must worship in the spirit & in truth" (John 4:24). ❤Jesus' words to the Samaritan woman gives the impression He cares more about the spirit in which we worship, than He cares about the place & ways of worship. The enmity between Jews & Samaritans (despite belief in the same God, prophets & scripture) reminds me of the division between Catholics & Protestants today! 😮😢Judging others' way of worship is SHAMEFUL - only God can see the heart to know if one is truly worshipping Him.

[@lorraineklimek1677]

Thank you for this explanation. It has given me the vocabulary I need when talking about the Eucharist to my Protestant friends.

[@BoksCar29]

I was away from the Catholic Church for forty years; it was and is the Eucharist that brought me back home. John 16:13 "When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you to all truth and remind you of all I told you, My return to the Catholic Church,

[@elliott2389]

Excellent video. Also, I love how when Hebrews 8:6 talks about Jesus obtaining a new ministry, the word leitourgias is used. Where we get our word liturgy from. This word is also used in reference to the sacrificial service in the temple like in Luke 1:23. God bless!

[@daviddabrowski01]

This is not a cheap shot at our Protestant brothers and sisters but…. I’ve always seen Protestant “worship”, especially evangelical, non denominational and the denominations that don’t have any liturgical structure, as fancy Bible study.

[@Simeon_777]

This is very true. I was lutheran wich basically meant I was told to read the Bible and interpret it how I saw fit. I'm Orthodox now. Lutheran approach is a very intellectually based fith that takes place in your head. It is not a lived faith you have in your heart. Plus; once saved always saved, so no need for spiritual growth. God Bless!

[@thyikmnnnn]

@@Simeon_777Lutheranism doesn’t teach once saved always saved.

[@josh39684]

As a former protestant I can say first hand experience I always felt "church" for protestants is more of social gathering than a place of worship. I'll also add many protestants have 2 versions of God: old testament God that is vengeful and wrathful God then the New testament God who is their buddy buddy and friend. This never felt right to me

[@johnchacko1425]

it's more of a snotty book club

[@terrykessinger4432]

Really great episode, thank you. I was watching you as a guest on the Cordial Catholic and came over to check your content out. As a Protestant in OCIA, I’ve started a notebook with notes from my books and YT channels, dividing it into the different topics, love my newest section on Worship. It’s for me to answer questions from family, friends, and church. Just turned in my notice of 21 years in my nondom church. I love them, but it’s just not my home anymore.

[@sophie6973]

Praying for you ❤

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

God bless you. You’re a lot smarter than I am. It took me only a few years as an evangelical to become a “none” and another 28 to listen to Jesus and revert back to his Catholic Church.

[@Thesaltycatholic]

Joe, your content is top notch. Keep it up 👍

[@TheologicalAmatuer]

This is a big part of why I converted to Catholicism. So true that teaching and prayer are a preparation for the Eucharist which is the source and summit. That said, I think there’s a fair critique that in our focus on the Eucharist we can sometimes become very bland and shallow in the teaching aspect of the Liturgy.

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

I'd add to this only that BECAUSE teaching / preaching are distinct actions from worshiping, it's a good idea to have events that are centered around preaching and teaching, apart from Sunday Mass. For instance, inviting Catholic Answers apologists to speak...

[@TheologicalAmatuer]

⁠@@JosephHeschmeyertotally agree. I think theological education post-confirmation is a place where we could use a lot more focus in the church. If someone wanted to book you for a conference/course at a local church, would they do it through the catholic answers site?

[@Ribastein]

I don't know hey. If you are truly focused on eucharistic sacrifice ìt leads to other spiritual liturgical gifts

[@TJMM864]

Catholic convert here .. after being raised in a Protestant home and living that life for 65 yrs , joyfully entered the Catholic Church in 2022 . Have not looked back .. the fullness of the Gospel came together for me , the truths of Jesus and His teaching jumped off the pages of the Word as never before seen through Catholic lenses . I thank God for calling me HOME . Grateful heart .❤️ All the fallacies I was told the Catholic Church teaches ... were just that. You go to the Catholic Church to learn what they teach and believe, not to a Protestant. Joyful journey!!❤

[@robertonavarro7713]

I hope you’re not kneeling and praying to inanimate statues because God hates idolatry. Just be very careful who you worship.

[@TJMM864]

@@robertonavarro7713No I am

[@TJMM864]

One of the many fallacies is that Catholics worship idols .. no worship here to anyone other than the Lord my God , Jesus is Christ .. truer now than ever before .❤❤❤

[@michaelinsc1644]

I like your clear, educated and sober podcasts.

[@AllanKoayTC]

this is what i've been saying for so long now! throughout Scripture, from the OT to the NT, God always chooses human leaders, delegates authority, and establishes worship. and this is what we Catholics have been following for the last 2,000 years. glad you did this episode and topic!

[@Ribastein]

My heart often breaks for our protestant brothers añd sisters añd what they are missing ìn the Eucharist.

[@gideondavid30]

Were good thanks for the concern. ❤

[@bradn77]

This is the attitude I love to see. Compassion and from all 3 sides. Orthodox, Roman Catholic and Protestant.

[@edalbanese6310]

Never seen a loving Catholic. The hate Catholics show others is astounding. Plus Catholics believe that salvation is only through the church. Not biblical in my opinion. Tradition is not truth either

[@robertsmith3073]

Don't cry for me apostate, I pray for you in your stupidity and unbelief. Lord Jesus help our fellow human being to see, understand and believe your Gospel. Amen

[@Americanheld]

Fantastic breakdown, love the work you!

[@robertwestling2467]

As a converted Protestant I approve this message.

[@cris1896]

I don’t have the words except 🤯 I love how easily you explained it but also the complexity of it all! I would have to watch & study this about 100 times to be able to teach it

[@fritula6200]

Cris....in reply,... It's NOT the complexity of Catholicism, It's the simplicity OF CHRIST, Cris. Christ's Word is SIMPLE.. we humans make everything hard, even God's Word: Don't worry about this now, just follow wherever the HOLY SPIRIT will lead you, also if you go off track, which is normal, the Holy SPIRIT WILL GENTLY BRING YOU BACK ON TRACK... THIS IS HAPPENS TO ALL OF US: oops forgot ❤❤❤❤

[@dargosian]

"Eternal Father, I offer You the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, in atonement for our sins and those of the whole world."

[@thespurge]

The center of Protestant worship is not “me [the pastor] preaching”. Way to strawman that one. The center is God’s revelation of His Word to the ppl. That’s what preaching is, God’s Word being revealed and explained to the ppl. Whether you agree or not, don’t caricaturize our view of the center of Lord’s Day worship because it is not at all centered on a fallible man preaching but on an authoritative God using that fallible man to proclaim His infallible Word.

[@josephssewagudde8156]

I wish I was born a protestant then convert to the Catholic church. I would then value the gift of the Catholic church because I have taken this gift for granted all along!

[@vinceschenden7349]

I have felt the same! But I wouldn't trust myself to take the plunge, so I'm glad I'm a cradle Catholic. God Bless!

[@Nolongeraslave]

Maybe you wish that because if you claim to be a convert, it comes with praising and welcomes ~ and all kind attentions? Check your heart.

[@mariasoniamoreno3433]

It feels like Protestants focus more on reading the Bible, even memorizing some scripture. As a cradle but poorly catechized Catholic, my notion of God was that He was powerful but totally uninterested in me and my family because we didn't embrace Him. Later in life I discovered my beautiful Church. I learned about Christ and His gospel. I see cradle but un-catechized Catholics as blind people who pick up scraps that fall from a table where a feast is served, unaware of the seat with our name at the table. I also feel like the Church has abandoned so many of us cradle Catholics. It has to do a better job catechizing the flock.

[@josephssewagudde8156]

@@mariasoniamoreno3433 ,I agree with you. The church has failed to catechize her people

[@Nolongeraslave]

@@mariasoniamoreno3433 What is Christ's Gospel?

[@CarpDiemBaby]

This video was great Joseph, no cap. Fr fr the manner in which you delve into this topic is not only very eloquent, but super simple to understand. I have your book “Early Church was the Catholic Church” and low key while I haven’t finished it cover to cover, I do enjoy using it as a reference book when mogging on heretics. I’m finna buy your new book though on the Eucharist, I can tell it’s gonna be bussin.’ Thank you fam. God Bless you!

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Thanks, I think!

[@garyr.8116]

Great video Joe, I came to this realization myself - and pray earnestly for my Protestant brethren to also enjoin in Worship to God. There is another verse in Hebrews that speaks about the Christian Altar: We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat” (Heb. 13:10)

[@spartanastas5560]

Seems to me that they worship a book. Sola Scripture makes everyone a Pope and they made the Eucharist into a symbol of the body and blood of Christ... If only through the Body and Blood of Christ shall we be saved, what does a symbol of the body and blood of Christ accomplish? How do they get the body and blood of Christ from a book? This is called Bibliodolotry. They worship the book more than the Church and the Church is what created the Book. I am Eastern Orthodox and we haven't changed in 800 years. That's how you stop human innovation.

[@spartanastas5560]

@@po18guy TO BE CLEAR... Loving and reading the Bible is very good... but when you disregard the Church that created the Bible for the words that the reader decided to interpret their own way... then it becomes bibliodolatry. Anything that interferes with a person worshipping their God is idolatry... even a Bible that is misinterpreted. The Church is supposed to guide parishioners on the right path, even if they have a wrong interpretation, because the Original Church knows the path and the meaning of the scripture.

[@nereb100]

I always had troubles understanding Mt. 6. But your video helped me a lot. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@timboslice980]

Couple of questions... I just converted this easter from Calvinism and have to admit I always thought God appreciated creativity when it comes to worship. After this video I'm starting to think I was really just hyper venerating him. It really puts the difference between how we adore Christ and Mary in perspective. There's nothing wrong with hyper veneration of Christ as long as we have proper worship right? If I understand your points, this also makes it about impossible for catholics to actually worship Mary or Saints because of the sacrifice element? Or am I taking that idea in the wrong direction?

[@canibezeroun1988]

I'm from a Charismatic background and worship was obedience outside the service and well outward praise inside the service. The demand was placed on us from scripture (enter into his gates with Thanksgiving) and we followed it because Christians obey Jesus. Joe talked about this in his previous video, but obedience is a form of sacrifice and that's the worship we always gave the Lord. In that perspective, because we don't obey anyone (man, saint, or angel) outside of what Jesus established, worship the saints by praying to them wouldn't be possible unless we offered up a blooded sacrifice to them. Like you, I view my old worship in context to my new relationship truth the Church. I still shout to the Lord and raise my hand, but only do so in private now. I believe that God receives some of that from Protestants, but the perfected form is lacking. I hope this adds some clarity. TL;DR - Obedience is a form of worship. Obedience is a form of sacrifice. Obeying saints, priest, or angles outside of Christ is impossible without sinning. The only sacrifice we can offer saints is a bloody one (since they normally don't speak back).

[@Stygard]

I think you are on to something there. I also converted from a Calvinistic Baptist background about 5 years ago. Most of the protestants, including myself before my journey equate the activities that as catholics we would call veneration as worship. They see what catholics do in venerating the saints as idolatry because there isn't a category for separating veneration from worship/sacrifice.

[@timboslice980]

@Lstewart4 Yeah I think the categories are much more defined in light of this idea of sacrifice. We aren't sacrificing anything to Mary or the Saints, they aren't the focus of our liturgy, and eucharist in their names. Calvinism like you said just doesn't have the categorical space for these distinctions. Can I ask you a question being a former calvinist too? What do you see as the main difference between the catholic doctrine "gift of perseverance" vs the calvinist point of "perseverance of the saints?"

[@timboslice980]

@canibezeroun1988 I know what you mean... I still listen to CCM sometimes amd sing to the lord when I'm alone or with the kids. I can't help but think of it as worship from my calvinistic days ... even though I realize it's not proper form of worship and probably just hyper veneration. Still it's not a bad thing like Joe said God probably loves the praise and adoration as much as he did when I thought it was proper worship.

[@Stygard]

@@timboslice980 this is a topic I have been wrestling with. Parts of calvanism are clearly "heretical" such as limited atonement, total depravity. But, predestination still is part of catholic tradition, and from my research not really a defined dogma. I read fr. Garrigou-lagrange predestination book a few years ago and the last section of "the sources of Christian ethics" by Servais Pinckaers. That section speaks about what freedom means in relationship to sin and such. Those are clearly a thomistic view, there are different perspectives from a fransican and Jesuit theology, but I think ultimately free will and predestination are a mystery.... Probably not helpful. Pints with aquinas has an episode "Thomist vs molinist predestination w/ fr. Dominic Legge" that is where I found out about Pinckaers's book. Might be helpful.

[@tubinho79]

Wow, just WoW!!!...Now I see CHRISTIANITY in a totally different way. Thank you for the work you're doing and God bless you.

[@Tunafish262]

Watching this video. Especially the last few minutes really show why the Sunday obligation is important

[@wavemaker2077]

Sabbath is actually on Saturday. Sunday is the first day of the week and not the last day of the week which is the Sabbath day.

[@davekohler5957]

Owned

[@navsquid32]

@@wavemaker2077Christians aren’t Jewish.

[@manxydom9879]

@@wavemaker2077 Actually, according to Genesis 2, God entered His rest on the 7th day of Creation, and is still in this state. Per Hebrews 4, all believers enter God’s rest when they receive salvation. So, in essence, every day for us is a Sabbath day when we are Christian, for we have entered God’s everlasting Sabbath rest through / in Christ.

[@wavemaker2077]

@@manxydom9879 "Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day." We are not supposed to do anything during the Sabbath day. If every day is Sabbath, then we are not going to do anything every day.

[@olivawechsler5690]

Thank you! That’s why I will always love Catholic because the Eucharist is the heart of everything! Jesus is there! God bless🙏🙏🙏🕊

[@OPiguy35]

Even before I started questioning Protestantism writ large, I’ve been struck for years by the “in spirit and in TRUTH” passage (initially by thinking our LYRICS and their accuracy matters and then onward to other aspects. I had another good Catholic friend convince me of the need to make communion / the Eucharist central and NOT preaching. Thank you for speaking to this / expanding upon it

[@fermingarza6357]

Cardinal Newman Said, “To Be Deep in History Is to Cease to Be Protestant.”

[@manxydom9879]

@@fermingarza6357 Not really. You only cease to be Protestant if you’re totally ignorant of history from the get-go, and finally hear Catholics teaching history. You think, “Oh, this must be true.” And the history is true. But true history doesn’t mean the church is the true church. The true church doesn’t start inquisitions, sell indulgences to pay for the sins of dead relatives, invoke holy wars, seize the government monarchy and put to death all Protestants, bless same-sex marriages, have papal schisms, etc. You can’t say the Protestants are responsible for any atrocity, because all a Protestant has to do is point to the Bible and say, “nope, that doesn’t align with scripture.” The Scripture informs the church what to do. Tradition and the voice of the papacy is helpful for guidelines, except when it contradicts Jesus and Scripture.

[@someonesomewhere6316]

Very inspiring and informative. Thank you and God bless

[@alexboedeker6177]

I grew up Protestant Evangelical. To preface, I'm currently 21. Worship never felt like worship. It was all about the self, how we feel, what God and Jesus did for *us* and how that makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We, the church, were fronting that Jesus is the main character, all while we were actually the main character (now don't get me wrong, many Protestants do put Jesus as the main character and live that way). But the Protestant church seems to have gotten grossly lax over the years. It doesn't matter if you're late because you wanted Starbucks. It doesn't matter that we only sing four "worship" songs (worshiping the self, more like) and then talk about the Bible for an hour, close out in prayer and go home and live the rest of the day like it was just a mandatory meeting. It doesn't matter if you want to go to the chapel to pray and spend time with God during a difficult part of your life, because someone is already watching The Lion King on the projectors (This happened to me last week. I might still be a little salty. More on this later.). Some other issues I had were the absolute hypocrisy of some of the members, the ad hominems against other denominations (because of course, we're right and they're wrong"), and the misconstruing of other beliefs (paganism, Catholicism, etc.). Unfortunately, I bought into it. Recently I've been deconstructing my faith. It's a long and hard process that sometimes makes me feel ill and triggers anxiety attacks (but when you truly want to actually understand and know why you believe what you do, you have to deal with them). I don't identify as Evangelical anymore. I don't know if I identify as Protestant. All I know and believe is Jesus died for me, God exists (and He gives me whiplash; again, deconstructing angsty 21 year old here), and that God likes being funny with me. Here's more on the Lion King incident. Some things you need to know-- 1) My boyfriend is Catholic. 2) I'm deconstructing my Protestant beliefs. That means looking into his beliefs. Because I couldn't use the chapel, I ended up looking up where the Catholic cathedral was in my city, called them and asked if they were open. They were. For the first time in my life, I was there. And then, it led me to begin researching the Catholic faith itself. Now I'm not saying that I'm converting for sure (I apparently have commitment issues because of severe doubt and anxiety that everything I'm doing is always the wrong choice, and yes, I'm looking at therapy for it), but delving into research and the true spirit of the Catholic faith brings me that sense of wholeness and fulfillment I've been missing in the church I grew up in. Edit: lol i'm pagan and a witch now, but keep the faith, y'all! Remember to love one another

[@donpetty7584]

If you think that living for Christ is all about feeling warm and fuzzy inside you heard a different Gospel than I did. God does love you, so much so that He gave His life for you. I empathize with anyone with anxiety. Had terrible panic attacks at age 18. Just came out of no where. More than likely you're giving yourself messages that are causing them. Maybe beating yourself up constantly. But, Galatians 2:20 can mean a lot of suffering, even burn out if we aren't careful. All I will say about Catholicism is be very careful and don't be influenced by the boyfriend. I think they've misinterpreted scripture big time.

[@Lezith456]

Catholicism is the ONLY Church Jesus Christ established. Just do your research from trustly online pages, and you will see how beautiful and real is Catholicism.

[@jamesb7651]

Take your time to discern, Alex. Except for the risk of impending death, your heart must lead your mind to sound action. The soft voice of the Holy spirit spoken in the still night will lead. You only need to follow, and....I believe you are well on your journey to His fullness. Godspeed!

[@Ampwich]

That edited ending was quite the twist....did not see that coming 😶

[@-dmitti7710]

Thank you for sharing the great content. I am currently searching and your videos and podcasts I find are extremely informative. I was brought up a Jehovahs Witness and am trying to find my way . Trinity is a tough one for me, but I am praying and searching.

[@randolphguerrero1960]

Your discussion is thought provoking. There is much here to mull over. Thank you for your spiritual meal. 🙏

[@fermingarza6357]

Cardinal Newman Said, “To Be Deep in History Is to Cease to Be Protestant.”

[@ponti5882]

Commenting on this to encourage the KZbin algorithm. Also apparently, I recently saw Joe after visiting a friend being confirmed at Mass during the Sunday of the Solemnity of Corpus Christi. I didn’t realize it was him at the time but was looking at him thinking, “Man that guy really looks like Joe Heschmeyer” 😂. I should’ve said hi but huge thanks to you Joe for all that you do. Your work played a significant role in getting me to formally come into the Church a year ago!

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

Aw, thanks! If it was at OLGC (which I think it was), that's our parish, so we might bump into each other another time!

[@ponti5882]

@@JosephHeschmeyer haha yes it was! I usually go to OSP oratory downtown but OLGC is absolutely beautiful and I know some people there. I like to swing by from time to time. I’ll say hello if I happen to run into you.

[@seamusweber8298]

This is a very good analysis, with the comparison and contrast, accurately stated.

[@markcyphus3292]

Protestant services are not intended to be worship.. they are teaching services. They do not have an altar, the centre of their church is the pulpit… so the focus is the sermon, the preacher. It is man centred, where Catholic worship is God centred.. the focus is the altar

[@zjerniga]

this is excellent! why I always wanted to make my Mariology book "yes we do worship Mary!" and then discuss why its worship from a protestant "teach, preach and sing and pray" context. again missing the worship (latria) that can only happen in Mass when Christ is truly present sacrificially. Of course with someone like Mary or the Saints, we offer dulia which is a lesser form of praise and devotion. Critical distinctions. Very well articulated in this vid. Great job Joe.

[@garyr.8116]

@zjerniga - heh heh , ‘it’s worship from a Protestant context’ - Clever!!!

[@tonyflores1314]

Protestants do worship God through the Lord's supper but most Catholics dont get to, since they usually only get the bread and not t h e cup

[@sloanjackson8]

This video came at the right time! I have an on fire fundamentalist friend who has been crushing me with endless facts, citations, and arguments, and this reminded me to get back to the basics. WORSHIP. ❤ Can’t wait to get back to mass

[@coachp12b]

“Facts”

[@ladyofnoxus6733]

What protestants have is not facts but feelings. We as Catholics have facts and historical documents on our side. Historically, protestants have Martin Luther. Who went off his feelings and King Henry the 8th and welp... 😂 yeah. I had a debate with a protestant friend and he got heated by some Historical fact. But I held strong. Mainly cause I love history so I study it on a regular. And I love Christ and his most holy Church Catholicism. ❤❤❤

[@timboslice980]

My best friends mother in law is a teacher at a christian school and extremely anti catholic. Several of the kids from our parish have complained about how they're treated like non Christians or broken ones. They do some things that could be very constructive but usually it just creates further division. I've had proxy debates through my friend with her and man all their stuff is lvl anti catholic jack chick stuff. The resources online are a powerful tool for dealing with people that seemingly have the entire Bible memorized.

[@timboslice980]

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs I totally agree. They tend to think of their sin as forgiven thousands of years ago. It disassociates them from their own sin and responsibility... probably makes it much easier to sin. I know once I convinced myself that sin didn't matter, I ended up sinning way more than if I had my guard up.

[@timboslice980]

@weaponofchoice-tc7qs Oh for sure there's one being that benefits the most from people giving into their sins. The devils theology is anti catholic from the ground up... Satan will say "go ahead and sin, surely you will not die"

[@cpaka9661]

Thanks Joe!! If protestants still finding it hard to accept the Holy Eucharist they should read about the two desciples on the road to Emmaus;how their eyes opened in the evening at the Breaking of the Bread and NOT along the entire journey when Jesus was explaining the scriptuers from the OT to NT.

[@brujachingona2175]

I'm not Catholic yet, but stumbled upon your channel after bingeing Fr. Chad Ripperger. Thank you so much for answering so many of my questions and solidifying my decision to come home to Rome. God bless you and yours.

[@TheZagnut69]

You know, it's funny timing seeing this video. I've been attending a local mass because I desired more reverence for God and actual worship. I start RCIA in the fall. I go to mass first thing Sunday morning, then come home and attend a Baptist church with my wife, who refuses to even consider Catholicism because her pawpaw was a Baptist all his life. While sitting through that service this past Sunday, all I could think is, "This isn't worship." they sang a few songs, told a few jokes, and we all listened to the preacher do scripture study and self-interpret scripture with a lot of "I believe's..." or "In my opinion's...". There was no worship of God at all.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

How do you reconcile Psalm 100:2-5 which is explicit about a valid form of worship being joyful songs and praise to God? You can't scoff at a church singing songs, or a sermon which delivers the very word of God. The NT church had a huge emphasis on teaching the scriptures. Jesus himself said, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds out of the mouth of God". Jesus continually referred to scripture, and protestant churches are big on scripture teaching sermons, for this reason. Those two elements were hard for me to get used to in CAtholic Mass. Protestants sing and worship heartily. Catholics will barely sing the hymns. I'm always one of the most enthusiast singers. I will concede that protestant churches need a return to an emphasis of Holy Communion w/ an emphasis on the real and incredible presence of Jesus. God also inhabits the praises of his people though.

[@TheZagnut69]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 I believe singing can be worship. I don't believe that joking in any form is worship. And these preachers aren't delivering the word of God, but their interpretation of it. The simple fact that every Christian in the world was Catholic or Orthodox until the 1500's, over 15 centuries, and since the "Protest" we now have tens of thousands of denominations who can't even agree on baptism, but all claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit, not buying it. And defending it is intellectual dishonesty. Protestantism is heresy. They have "some" of the truth, which they got from the Catholic Church, but not the fullness of the truth. God gave the world one truth, and only one thing can be true, not 30,000 different "interpretations". They are not led by the Holy Spirit to interpret the Bible, because if they were they'd all be in agreement. Jesus called for unity, and this Protestantism isn't it. Come home to where we ALL belong - the Catholic Church.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@TheZagnut69 I am home to where I truly belong, w/ Jesus as my Savior and Lord. I am not meaning to put the Catholic Mass down, as you're putting protestant worship down, which was an attempt to return to a more biblical church. Joking is not worship, and this is what I was trying to say that I missed when I went to Mass. It isn't all priests or pastors that joke suring service, and there's nothing wrong w/ levity while praising God. I had a priest where he replaced the homily completely w/ one big long sports joke every service. So please don't try to tell me the RCC is perfect. There are issues and more than that. Are you closer to Jesus now? Then rejoice. Some become closer by coming out and finding a bible based church, some get closer to God by going to the RCC. Let God be praised.

[@TheZagnut69]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 Whether the RCC is perfect or not is irrelevant. It's filled with sinners, Clergy and laity both. Christ gave the world a Church and Sacraments and Tradition with which to worship him, not a Bible. The Bible came almost 400 years after he died, and the RCC and early Church fathers are who gave it to the world. Protestants wouldn't have a Bible without the RCC. "More biblical church"?? Right. By taking out seven books they didn't agree with? Uh huh. So biblical. You can say you're getting closer to God, but that's just a feeling, and not all worship is acceptable to God. The entire Old testament is proof of that. He lined it out for the Jews how he wanted to be worshipped. At the last supper, Jesus did the same by instituting the Eucharist. He gave Christians a new Passover Feast, with Himself as the Passover lamb, the final perfect sacrifice. And he said if you do not eat of my body and drink of my blood, you have no life in you. That can only be found in the RCC, the real presence. And I certainly wouldn't stake my everlasting soul on a feeling.

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@TheZagnut69 So do you believe the bible is second to your church then? It sounds like it. The OT canon was liberally quoted by both Jesus and the apostles. The books of the bible were all written and in circulation among churches before the RCC was officially a church w/ a power seat in Rome.

[@pawollatounenmoun]

Excellent job! This is a key moment for many who will watch this. The truth is so beautiful. Keep up the great work. -Fr. Louis.

[@ElTonto_777]

The Road to Emmaus parrallel works so well. Great informative video.

[@Sicarius089]

I always love what St Thomas Aquinas said, "Religion is a sub-virtue of justice, therefore religion is rendering to God his due". This is why the Holy Mass basically encompasses the ordered form of worship under the new covenant. Too often in protestant / charismatic services it was more about making people feel better like you're listening to a TED talk.

[@starshipchris4518]

This is fantastic. One thing ive noticed interacting with Reformed specifically: under the hood, it's so naturally reductive to exclude Catholicism that it isn't able to define positively what worship is, amongst many other things.

[@manxydom9879]

Really? Worship in the Old Testament is sacrificial giving (Genesis 22:5), to give blessing and gratitude to God in prayer (Genesis 24:26; Exodus 34:6-8; Job 1:20); to bow before God in allegiance and humility (Psalm 95:6); worship is praising (2 Chronicles 29:30); to make one’s boast in God rather than idols (Psalm 97:7); involves offering prayers (Isaiah 44:17). Worship in the New Testament is: falling down before someone in reverence (Matthew 2:11); acknowledging Jesus as Lord / Son of God in reverence of him (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38); giving gifts and sacrifices to God (Hebrews 9:4, though this says that what we offer in the Old Covenant sacrifice does not perfect the worshiper, only Christ’s one-time sacrifice does this in 9:24-28); involves glorifying God in the Kingdom of God directly (Revelation 22:3). Worship in the New Testament (and Old Testament) is almost always related to falling before God or an idol in reverence, as in Revelation 22:8-9. It is this in almost every reference in the New Testament. Worship also is NOT specifically sacrifice, but is often included with it (1 Samuel 1:3); the same with confession (Nehemiah 9:3); true worship can involve eating no food at all (Acts 13:2). Christ’s sacrifice is also specifically not to be offered again and again (Hebrews 9:24-28), but was done once for all. So the worshiper (Heb 9:4) is made pure for all time.

[@tim_w]

Joe, this smells like a new book … I haven’t heard this contrast before I always scratched my head with how did we go from animal sacrifices in the OT to rock concerts today and 45 min sermons in prot churches (charitably speaking)

[@JosephHeschmeyer]

On the "smells like a new book front," you're not wrong! My book on the Eucharist (which has a chapter on this) just came out: shop.catholic.com/the-eucharist-is-really-jesus/ www.amazon.com/Eucharist-Really-Christs-Everything-Believe/dp/1683573072/

[@scottgerrels116]

There are protestant churches where worship is at least an hour and the services with teaching last 3-4 hours.

[@JenniNJeff]

Well explained. Appreciate the deep dive into what worship is.

[@frankie1376]

"How does God want us to WORSHIP Him?" this is the question I have recently been contemplating. After analyzing the old and the new testament I came to the same conclusion as this video, although not as succinct. Thanks Joe! will be sharing with my protestant friends! P.S. i also was protestant my whole life and it was questions like these that led me to the catholic church!

[@schatzi-gq3fx]

My first SP viewing. Great content, I'll be back, thank you sir.

[@zoilife3929]

EO here! Wawww couldn't be better said and explained! It came at the perfect time. Yesterday before I go to sleep I saw a post from someone ( non EO or RC) that said " worship is like a coat" Isaiah, and directly the following question came in my mind: well first define what you mean by "worship" and than understand if you are wearing the right coat! However, I didn't express any opinion but in my heart I knew that we had complete understanding, and went to sleep with that thought! Today, once I opened KZbin directly this video came up ( first time seeing this channel) ! Was mindblowing!!!! I have friend protestants that I really love and my heart and soul prays for them! And I am sure they do the same for me! But what I realised during the years, is that if God's grace doesn't work within us, is very difficult to see and accept things differently from what you know, no matter the evidence is given! However a small homework to my heterodox brothers and sisters: search how the chuches where the epistles were sent and the ones that played a vocal role to the history of Christianity ( Thessaloniki, Korinthos, Rome, Ephesus, Jerusalem, Damascus, etc) were worshipping, even before the NT was conducted and check what all those Churches ( that were part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic) have in common. Whatever those churches have in common is 1000% comming from Apostolic Tradition and is not what you call "tradition of men" It's not by chance that all those churches have the same sacraments, same liturgical order, same temples etc. May our Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on us and humble our hearts so we can approach those topics with burning desire of understanding the truth rather than just waiting to validate our beliefs!

[@garyr.8116]

@zoilife3929 - Yep - like the dude in Matthew 22:1-14 who was 'dressed wrong' and not only 'thrown out' but **tied hand and foot** before being thrown out! 😬

[@alonsoACR]

I always say the only two Churches that have uninterrupted, complete Apostolic Succession and thus the right idea about sacraments are the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox Churches. I do not say that on my own. The (Roman) Catholic Church recognizes you have 100% valid sacraments (priesthood, communion, confession, everything), and I'm allowed (if I can get your priests permission) to take them there, if a Catholic parish is not available. May God give us a way to go how it was before it all went wrong. The Church cannot be complete without Rome, but also not without Constantinople, Corinth, Damascus, everyone. There must be a way somehow! May God shed our pride and may the Body be One. May God bless you always, brother. You and all Orthodox.

[@dave_ecclectic]

It's interesting that those Protestants who claim Catholics come too close to worshipping those who are not God do not come close enough to worshipping God Himself. Maybe this is why they think that we worship Mary because all they give to God is Veneration? Thus, they see veneration as worship.

[@johnnysupreme5718]

We probably think you worship Mary because you pray to Mary and consistently talk more about Mary then you do Jesus Christ.

[@dave_ecclectic]

@@johnnysupreme5718 This is assuming that you are talking about what Catholics *actually* say and do as compared to what you are *told* Catholics say and do. We *may* ask Mary to speak to her Son (Jesus) on our behalf. Is there something inherently wrong with asking someone to pray for you? Are you saying you worship the people you ask to pray for you? But then accuse us of worshipping Mary, the mother of God the person all generations would call blessed, for doing the same thing? Do you have _worship_ service every day of the week? Our worship service is only about Jesus. We have no other service other than worship service; Jesus is present even at marriage and funeral services. It does not include an hour of teaching us what we should already know as adults. (and changes in the church down the street). I would say worship is the doing of what our Lord commanded more than the empty reciting of His name (as the pagans do).

[@dsonyay]

34:01. That one passage from before 100 AD was one of the final pieces of the puzzle which convinced me to run as quickly as possible to the Catholic Church. The earliest writings are clear.. Catholicism is not just some invented man made religion, but truly given to us from Jesus.

[@dhmanalo25]

First timer. I am impressed with your explanation. Agreed 100%.

[@ericholmberg2963]

Wow! I wish I could have locked in on this 40 years ago. It likely would have significantly shortened my pilgrimage through the outer court of Protestantism

[@TravelingBabyCompany]

Hey there, I just wanted to mention I stumbled upon this and as a recent convert to orthodoxy I loved it. You have a very clear style of expressing your ideas. Looking forward to more.

[@shadowlancer45]

Informative. I used to think this is not a necessary knowledge but now you gave me enlightenment.

[@laurawilliams2790]

This was such a great explanation without being disrespectful. My Presbyterian friend tells me that for "Communion", everyone at her church grabs a piece of bread from the Communion basket on the way in the door of their mega church and eats it. As a Catholic, I was horrified. This podcast will really help me with further discussions. I love how you explained the difference between teaching/prayer/worship/sacrifice. Thank you!

[@janegildart7585]

Preach and teach, great. Pray together, awesome. But the central action of right worship is communal sacrifice, the very same sacrifice commended to us by Our Lord.. So good! Thank you, Joe.

[@brob368]

I’m in RCIA, and I must say this is so reassuring. Spending the whole time singing with a band and hearing the Bible makes me worry that we just go to church to feel good.

[@geoffjs]

Without sacrifice and proper worship, it is not “church” Jn 6 51-58 Mal 1:11

[@buddyforbes7157]

Thank you very much for such clarity! I feel that my eyes has just been opened to a lot of things. Thank you again. I have friends who became Protestants, attractive by how they taught and you're right, the central part of their service is the exhortation of the Word. I'm sad that just because they wanted to split from the Catholic Church, they cut-off the part where Jesus says, "Do this in memory of me."

[@carbugnov1952]

Jesus gave the authority to one church. Other churches died because they were cut off from the vine, just as happened to the northern kingdom of Israel.

[@nicholashext474]

There's a solid reason why the New Testament is largely silent about the liturgical practises of the early church. The Holy Mysteries were just that, sacred mysteries that were only revealed after baptism, while the scriptural text formed part of the catechetical process that preceded reception into the faith. After the readings from scripture, the catechumens would be dismissed with a blessing, and only then would the Bishop proceed to the celebration of the Mysteries. The Liturgies of St Basil, St James and St John Chrysostom still contain the prayers for blessing and dismissing the catechumens - although few modern Orthodox churches would require non-Orthodox to depart at this point. From the earliest post-Apostolic writings onwards, it is clear that the weekly celebration of the Eucharist and the reception of communion was the central and normative act of Christian Worship, with regular psalmody, the root of the Divine Office, at the heart of personal religious practise, and this continued to be the standard; although the frequency of communion diminishing over time - hence why both Western and Eastern Churches were forced to institute the canon of Easter Communion. Ironically, many of the early Reformers, especially John Calvin and Thomas Cranmer, wanted to reinstate weekly communion as the central act of Reformed worship, but were overruled by more overly-scrupulous Reformers who feared this would lead to the profanation of the Sacrament.

[@AK5of8]

Holy Eucharist drew me back. I’m here for the Eucharist.

[@James_Wisniewski]

I remember being 11 and learning about Protestantism for the first time from my cousin's stepkids (they and their mom were Church of Christ, my cousin and my family were Catholic). When they talked about how they did Communion and the fact that it isn't always done every Sunday, I was tremendously confused by that. My first thought was, well, what's the point of Church without Communion/Eucharist. Of course, that's the centerpiece and climax of the church service in Catholicism and that's the way I understood the church service to be. I couldn't fathom a church service that didn't have the Eucharist. That was nearly 17 years ago, and I still haven't found a satisfactory answer to that question.