Do small cases hurt GPU Performance?

[@ViktorMartin113]

Jay: as you can see the GPU is sitting at about 70C Also Jay: note the rooms ambient temperature is about 69F Me: ...that helps :/

[@grandpasgrandson]

DieSturmgeschutz lol 70C is about 160F I think, actually a liiiitttle less but in the area

[@ViktorMartin113]

grandpasgrandson thanks makes it a little easier to understand the difference now

[@tehdave192]

hah, I thought the same

[@ksmashgamer5748]

C is better and easier

[@tehdave192]

indeed

[@Trabi777]

70c on card , 70F in the room...because using one metric is too difficult !

[@RasputinReview]

70c on the card, 26 and 9 sevenths of a hamburger in the room

[@tommyboy5924]

You don't know that room temp is around 25C?... just memorize everyday numbers if it bothers you so lol.

[@sameerchakma]

@@tommyboy5924 are you trying to say room temperatures everywhere around the world. And everyone keeps their air conditioning settings at the same level.

[@tommyboy5924]

@@sameerchakma ~70F (or about 25C) is what most in the U.S. are referring to when they say room temp. This is a video by an American youtuber with a mostly American audience. Hence most of the audience considering room temp to be about 70F. Not that hard for those people to remember that that single measurement is roughly = to 25C

[@tommyboy5924]

@@sameerchakma I, for one, generally keep my house at 65F. That said, I don't answer with 65F if someone is asking about room temp as that is not the usual. I generally answer with 72F as that's (again, in the U.S.) generally what is considered room temp

[@haloman4220]

You don't have to worry about GPU performance if you cant buy one because they're all sold out 🤔 🤔 🤔

[@tabernaclejones6115]

go look at 1060 prices on newegg

[@tabernaclejones6115]

not sold out, not stupid expensive,

[@haloman4220]

Those prices are pretty stupid as 1080s a year ago was around 500-600 and now 1060s are that price....

[@grayko]

sinbads dad Actually went and looked at newegg, just this second. Only one 1060 under $400 and it is a single fan, 3gb card. And thats at $385. Vega 56 at $1000, Vega 64 at $1200. 1050ti's are over $300 even. Either you're a troll, or you're talking out of your ass. Are they sold out? No. But they are stupidly expensive.

[@MrChicken420]

About time that the americans feel the pain of expensive pc parts that australians have been forever

[@CknSalad]

Unless you are overclocking a lot, have lots of storage drives, multiple gpus, there's pretty much no reason not to get a small itx case

[@hypnoticlizard9693]

costs a little bit more than the midi tower big brother.

[@Bralkor]

Unless you like the way larger cases look. Or unless you might want at one point to upgrade it in some way that would require a bigger case.

[@SpiderMonkey339]

I'm in college and I could not agree with you more. I'm always moving between my girlfriend's apartment, mine, and going home occasionally to work over breaks. A small pc makes it soooo easy to pick up and move if needed.

[@InsulinAdikt]

Small itx motherboards are actually more expensive than full ATX. Micro atx is really the sweet spot. It is in between a full atx and an itx, and is the cheapest option.

[@wolfshanze5980]

I take the middle ground... I have four PCs in my house... all four are in MATX cases.

[@ViktorMartin113]

Does not having a GPU affect gpu performance 🤔

[@romq]

nah

[@ViktorMartin113]

children, behave. So what you’re telling me, is my R5 1600 can game without a GPU? Sweet thanks! Lol

[@Acenis]

pleb alert

[@zacknewberry3167]

That's my PC right there

[@ViktorMartin113]

Tiny Box Tim not even joking I have a $1100 cad paperweight lol

[@mathmurdock]

Put an LS in it.

[@swekiller98]

test it on the ghost case, i would love to se the diffrent coolers and how it is affected by that case

[@IamMortui]

FejFTv And now in English.

[@mr.anderson8029]

Translation: Test it on the ghost case. I would love to see the different cooler and how it is affected by that case.

[@swekiller98]

Mr. Anderson thank you

[@sahj100]

or an H400i

[@SoulChaosX]

why do i feel like if you had put Mr. Anderson on the end it would be a movie quote?

[@geebster.]

I have always avoided small cases due to airflow (and customizability) concerns, but man that is a nice case. Would be harder to come up with a clean loop (at least with my skills), but if there really are no temp differences...maybe there are more options on the market than what I'd typically buy. Thanks for the video Jay

[@TechByMattB]

bitfenix enso

[@AlexJames-br9im]

Tech By Matt windows 10 isn't really free

[@DonPromillo_99]

It hast been already tested by bitwit

[@zijunryanmeng3921]

this is literally the exact video that i have been looking for same case and everything wow thanks Jay

[@LeBurkaTron]

20.5c Room temp

[@parsastrife6629]

Thanks

[@vedantsomrah6756]

lol 30c room temps here

[@zstation64]

lol 18C room temp here, and that's with the heating on.

[@heru_ur6017]

35 avg, difficult keeping a pc cool here.

[@Ageassia]

11C, not even joking. At least my computer is cool :>.

[@jjonko]

In the beginning you speak with Fahrenheit regarding your room temprature, and then later on Celsius. Please stick to Celsius since all benchmarks and everyone in the rest of the world uses that..

[@darrinthorpe9292]

Lol. Not in America! That's where it really counts anyways....:)

[@sfsf5555]

@@darrinthorpe9292 no shut the fuck up

[@ryanspence5831]

jjonko stop being such an entitled fuck

[@fugluru1714]

Ryan Spence it’s the best way to keep things easy

[@bryanbriseno9299]

Since you feel so entitled you can do math to convert to farenheit

[@brandoneich2412]

Jay, what about the Phanteks evolv ATX(like you recognized in one of your videos a year or 2 ago with the horrible airflow) but even more so with the evolv ITX. :)

[@TuppiKissa]

I had the Evolv ITX, the GPU temps were so bad. GTX 1070 Strix @2050/8800 core/mem would run like 76C even with fan speed bumped up to 65%. Swapped the case to a Nano S with a SFX-L psu so the GPU would have a bit more room to breathe, and the max temps dropped to around 65C with 65% fan speed. 65% is kinda loud on the Strix cooler so 55% gives me right under 70C and is nice and inaudible(ish).

[@tripl3jageruk]

I've got an Evolv ITX with an EVGA GTX 1060 SSC, temps hit about 73C at stock with about 75% fan speed. I'm changing the case next month.

[@greenzero3389]

+Brandon Eich - another one for the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv

[@magnetron2.049]

I also have an Evolv itx ,and the airflow for the GPU is horrible. My 1080ti was running hot as hell and the frames just dropped remarkable 10 minutes into a game. The best way around it is modding the front ( costum made mesh front panel ) the temps improved about 12 to 15 C on average. Also the fan curves could be set a bit lower after the mod. Still love the case , and the modding was fun to do.

[@syth-1]

It was half way last year in 2017 when he made that ryzen build, don't think that was a year or two ago tho... just wanted to point that out. Ps. I also would be curious if more testing is done.

[@Dan-ey4mi]

Tbh I don't know why pc cases don't have an exhaust fan behind the GPU . Should have 2 exhaust fans . Effectively creating 2 airflow channels in the case

[@Ivaann_21]

"Hey Jay would you like to get lunch?" Jay: "I digress"

[@Mizumotchi]

Fractal Design Node 202 Silverstone SG13 Silverstone RVZ02 Zaber Sentry Dan A4-SFX

[@poporingME]

Second this list @JayzTwoCents

[@CknSalad]

Ncase m1, skyreach mini, ghost s1

[@thiccbaron]

Fractal nano s

[@BoogieDownProduction]

SG13 has great cooling, it has holes right next to the graphics card. I actually modified my MSI GTX1080 Gaming X and have two 90mm noctua fans (so computer is more silent)

[@Mangdrew]

Distraction Free design. IS LITERALLY RGB

[@ThePaulopineda]

This is an inaccurate result because your ambient temp is good. If you are in a tropical place, you will appreciate more of the difference. I used to have a mid tower before without a top mount, so I had to put the radiator in front just like this one on your video. I played Monster Hunter World for an hour or so and my GPU sits at around 80C and my CPU at aroun 75-88C.. Then I decided to get a full tower case with a top mount, and my temp drop to 60C max for the GPU and 65C max for the CPU... That's 20C diff lol.. I live in the Phils. and I don't have an aircon, so it gets really hot here mid day.. Hope this honest data I have will help others wondering here with your vid.

[@jonpaulchavez1459]

so mas maganda naka full tower? anung case gamit mo today? ok lang ba kung naka noctua nhd15 tpos 2x noctua 120mm fan sa front?or need q dn sa top ng 2x 120mm?

[@ThePaulopineda]

@@jonpaulchavez1459 D ko alam yung case na yan eh, pero gamit ko is Cougar Evo Panzer RGB.. 3 Fans sa harap, isa sa likod, tapos sa taas may open-air space para sa radiator... So yung steam sa likod at taas lumalabas, tapos yung 3 fan sa harap nag dadala hangin para sa GPU... Yung CPU nka watercool so palag lng, solo nmn ng radiator yung top part ng case na open-air..

[@andrew2324g]

i was about to build ITX gaming pc at nasa Philippines din ako. I dont even have aircon. i guess i have to go for mid or full tower, i cant imagine gaano ka init kapag itx tapos daily gaming, parang toaster na ahh..

[@ThePaulopineda]

Leonid basta mgnda ung vent ok ata, pero full tower pra sure lol.

[@cristianooliveira9356]

You need to make a Channel And some tests for us hahahaha

[@Bosound]

Try this on the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv. Was considering buying it, but concerned about the airflow.

[@mchavez7133]

Bosound lol Phanteks look like saint in air flow compared to my Corsair Spec Omega lol

[@kekman3923]

Itx?

[@onboard3]

Yep, it's pretty notorious of having bad exit airflow. I got the mATX newer fixed version, been great and fits anything, so go with that :) (my issue was that almost no new case fits any proper air cooler, mine being Phanteks PH-TC14PE and with fans it's over 180mm tall)

[@animalyze7120]

I don't know what data you are looking at but Airflow is not that big an issue as long as Airflow is present. You people love to over complicate shit. I have built PC's since the 286 days and even repairs on the c64 in my teens. Never have I come across even back then airflow issues causing a failure. That was in the ribbon cable days too. The store bought crap had those issues and those are the stories that still scare the uneducated PC builders to this very day. The only time Airflow might cause an issue is if you join the dummy ranks and start overclocking for negligible gains. Yes the gains aren't enough to warrant the excess heat unless you add water to your electrical system, which in itself screams Dumbass.

[@MrDutch1e]

Robert Kowalke you have no clue what ur talking about. Enthoo evolv itx has a massive difference in temps when you remove the front panel. All the evolv cases are terrible without modification.

[@dimitriskostarelos5936]

Node 202...great case... Bad bad airflow...

[@Boombox198719]

shame im loving the look of that case

[@wolfshanze5980]

Bad case, because it has terrible airflow...

[@Boombox198719]

Mithrennon of Aegwynn thoughts on the Silverstone rvz03?

[@packinwood2009]

Same. I bought a Node 202 and put my mildly overclocked 7600k and 1070 in there. I put as many noctua fans in it as possible. I clean all the filters religiously. It still gets hot. Way hotter than it did in my old, $30 atx case. Within 5 minutes of playing Overwatch, I'm at 85c and after a half hour of playing, I'm starting to drop frames.

[@detailedanimation]

Do any of you guys know about the airflow on the Silverstone Milo MLO8B?

[@TheSparky1942]

@Jay Why give us cpu temps in C, and room temps in F? 😭

[@Maubro1]

Channel Description mate you reacted to a comment which is more than a year old

[@ATI6950FTW]

20c lol does the average person game in a room that cold ?

[@shaneobrien5214]

@@ATI6950FTW 20c isnt cold 🤦‍♂️

[@ATI6950FTW]

@@shaneobrien5214 it's below the average room temperature :/

[@shaneobrien5214]

@@ATI6950FTW In America maybe but the rest of the world are not pussies

[@t-revman2174]

Hi Jay, I'm a newbie to your channel and I will be building my first HTPC in the next few weeks. Your channel is AWESOME, extremely informative, easier to understand (compared to other channels) and you come across as a very genuine guy. Your personality just shines through your videos and I think that's what made me watch them the most. I don't usually comment on videos but I felt I needed to because you are appreciated (even from the other side of the world). I'm from Melbourne, Australia and you are reaching us here too :)

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

Test Linus Tech Tips custom build compute case.

[@get2choppa]

2x4 wood and spray pain is "custom" but not really quality. this comment is brought to you by tunnelbear

[@michaelweiss2186]

get2choppa Most of the Linus audience is under 18, and in sure plenty are 13 ish, he's a salesman, a good one. but not the place for good tech information.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

As someone who is almost as old as Linus, I have to say that Linus DOES cater to the teen crowd and people with technolust. I think Linus caters to people who wish they had infinite $$ to get whatever they wanted. I still watch 99% of his videos. I don't too much care for the other tech KZbinrs as they are more informational and less entertaining. I do PC building/repair for a living and get want to see technology videos as entertainment. No offense to Jay, but this video was GOOD but more informational and less entertaining. We already knew the outcome of the video before he did it, so why not have some fun doing it and let the dun show... I watch Jay for the informational aspect though (I have to have that one channel I watch for purely tech information).

[@michaelweiss2186]

Matthew Bauer I'm 62 and have been in computers since my first Amiga, for good info I like Computerphile, smart guys, Steve at Gamer's Nexus is getting some well deserved recognition lately, personally I prefer reading tech stuff more than videos, I have said it before, most of the tech review channels are the same, people watch a favorite for the personality, we don't need 20 reviews come out at the same time after a NDA on a GPU or CPU is released, all the results are pretty much the same.

[@mjc0961]

Did we know the outcome? I expected the answer to be yes. I was surprised when the answer was no.

[@Shade_Tree_Mechanic]

If you have that case and want good GPU temps, use an SFX power supply. The ATX form factor PSU's block an otherwise excellent supply of cool air for the GPU

[@InconsistentManner]

lately the Paul, Kyle, Jay teams shaky cams are in full force. i haven't been trying to say anything but this video was bothering me.

[@5hyr15]

yeah dude. it bothers me a lot. I feel like i have motion sickness or something.

[@DekkerExpat]

Or software stabilisation in post (that's also what 4k cams are for).

[@Altanox]

OMG. I love his videos but I always felt inconfortable watching these. I would never understand why. You just explained where does my sick feeling comes from. If I just listen to him it's fine. But watching the shaky videos is horrendous

[@Zyrcon]

I think he is testing out some new camera guys :)

[@Ishiku__aka_xchoibitschibihil]

Chuckles Nuts this is made worse by the fact that I watch everything in1.5 or 2x speed

[@Warhorse469]

If you use are SFX PSU with this case it helps GPU breath more because it's sucking the cooler air from the bottom vent which is covered when you use ATX PSU plus it gives you the room to install fan under the shroud to blow cool air directly into the GPU which also help a bit with temps.

[@jacobbarnes6816]

we need to go smaller! like the ncase

[@OnlyTakeW]

www.louqe.com/

[@KasperLidegaard]

yep the Ncase m1 should be next :)

[@simonwardley890]

If you were trying to test out the chassis, wack the GPU fan on a static speed, wack up your power and then play with blocking vents etc. The Gpu was reacting the keep a constant temperature which mean that blocking the midplate was compensated for....

[@lszucs448]

Woa. Shaky Camera is really bad. The Camera work was so good in the past. Please bring it back.

[@gary00832]

he hired an employee, and fired the tripod for being unreliable and late clocking in...probably been smoking the reefer.....

[@LiamNajor]

during tech talk, he said a few videos are demoing potential employees. I'm guessing this is one of them...

[@lszucs448]

A bit too unstable to be a cameraman ^^

[@TE5LA-GAMING]

Since the shots are very limited in viewpoints, why not have the camera on a tripod?

[@daniellisy7161]

2020 Update - funny I just build a more modern version NZXT 210, and EVGA XC3 Ultra 3080 (one of the few next gen cards that fits the case) I use a 140mm intake in front to the graphics, a 120mm AIO intake for the CPU (3700x) and I do have issues cooling the 3080, its a beast and to keep it below 70deg. C. means to reduce the power to about 70%, Airflow is optimised the graphic cart wont get cooler if I open the chasi. I plan to change the top 120mm to a 140mm. But over all it is a challenge, in sense of noice and thermals. Card at 100% can pass 80deg. C. so I reduce the power, as my 4k TV is here the bottleneck with its 60hz.

[@yoitsmegabe]

Try some CPU intensive games like Battlefield 1, Assassin's Creed Origins, and Ghost Recon Wildlands. Would like to see what the temps are with the whole pc cooking.

[@horseradish843]

I have his exact setup. gpu goes up to 80 degrees celsius and stays there no throttling even running assasins creed origins at 5760x1080. Cpu temps are about 60 degrees celsius

[@joeleder]

beretta9m2f I have played ac origins in my mid tower with my 7700k at 4.8 and my aftermarket gpu running ocd at 2050 mhz and I'm sub 62 C on my gpu.

[@blech71]

Proving heat bloom isn’t really that big of a deal in smaller environments. Doing God’s work Jay!

[@Shizamy508]

Getting a water-cooled GPU was the best thing I've done for my ITX build (NZXT Manta)! I've got significantly cooler temps all around.

[@HooverM75]

2 cases I thought would make a neat build, but would just cause some overheating were: 1: AZZA CSAZ-103 2: Raijintek Metis I'd like to see what you can shoe-horn into those cases, and what kind of temps/cooling options are available with them. I ended up going with a case I am familiar with -- the Fractal Design Define S Nano. Lots of room for a tiny case, and breathes very well. I was able to fit a 240MM Corsair H100iv2 AIO, and 3 other 120MM case fans (overkill) into it, and it stays WAY cool. Gigabyte Mini ITX MB FM2+ A10-7700k APU 8GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3 1600 RX 460 Graphics card 700w Cobra Power Raidmax PSU Corsair H100iv2 AIO 3 x AIGO Red Halo fans (found them cheap on Amazon...actually pretty nice) 500GB WD Green 3.5" HD It's a spare computer I set off to the side to test things in, and wanted to eventually try overclocking the APU...temps on the CPU run about 30c... :D so plenty of cooling going on....LOL

[@everennui1]

69 degrees. "kind of cold" Regards from MN.

[@matthewwiechmann1039]

everennui im from mn and it was like 20 yesterday, and i was in shorts and a t shirt lmao

[@jeffkelzer953]

I am also from MN and I wish it was 69.

[@liberalsaredegeneratebetasoyl]

lol it was 32f i though i was dying

[@EvanRustMakes]

I live near Duluth, MN and there's about 2 feet of snow with high temps usually in the teens. 69 is nowhere near cold.

[@based_will]

Ayyy MN represent! If I run my heat any higher then like 65 in my old house my gas bill is more than 100 bucks. So it's like 63-64 F and my PC loves it.. 7600k running at 5ghz stable and my MSI rx580 is stable at 1410 mhz vs 1366 stock.

[@KompletterGeist]

BTW the front intake is more than enough despite the solid metal front....I once mounted a wooden plate to my case at the front to see how much "intake" you actually need. Turns out the temperature didn't go up until a gap of 3mm!!! So yeah the result of your paper test fits in line with that. You really only need a gap of 3mm (maybe 5 to be safe) in front of your fan to have sufficient airflow. On a side note: these fans are designed to take air radially in an blow it out in axial direction. This again fits in line with the conducted tests. :)

[@Xel_Naga]

I would love a retest like this with the 4000 series now, the 1000 series were so energy efficient it feels like cheating 😂

[@lonewolf398]

I'm currently running into a potential issue with this, lian li 205m, mATX board, and a 7900xtx 3 slot. Theres like .1 inch in between the gpu and a solid psu shroud D:

[@cptforce4541]

@@lonewolf398 How its going bro? Im about to upgrade to rx 6900 xt and have same issuse. Case masterbox 300L. What I can do right now is put the psu outside of the case.

[@lonewolf398]

@Boofy Goofy temps with side panels on are good, it does run hot as it draws a good amount of power when loaded, low 80's or so. I did have some clearance issues and swapped out the front fans for some slim noctua ones. No issues so far

[@MPdude237]

Before watching the video, here is my assumptions. 1. If it has somewhat decent airflow or means of keeping the CPU/GPU under 90C, it can harm performance in the sense that you will have lower boost clocks and have little to no overclocking headroom, but performance will still be good. 2. If you have Vacuum sealed(ok a bit of an over exaggeration) closed case like the Enso or the Enthoo Evolv, then yes, as your components can’t breath and thermal throttling will kick in. Let’s see if I am right.

[@Falkkos]

Can you try the Inwin 301. Small and beautiful case, but I think awful airflow

[@kepeter97]

I agree, they are totally beautiful and unique (the 301 maybe not so much)! I was getting bored of the standard case layout, so I got the 303, and I love it. About the 301: you can put 4 intakes in it! That would be very high positive pressure, especially in such a small case. It would push the air right out through the back perforations, the PSU, and the rear fan. I'd make the bottom fans be the strongest (fastest), the exhaust medium, and the ones in the front the weakest (so they wouldn't block the perforations on the back). Here's how I'd set up mine: 2* Bitfenix Spectre LED on the bottom up to 55% pwm intake, 1 spectre in the rear up to 45% exhaust, 240mm rad in the front with 2 spectres up to 40-45% intake (or exhaust, if temps > dust, at 40%). I'd use spectres, cause I'm a cheap ass mofo, and I also find them great. Silent on low, strong af on high speed (while remaining pretty quiet). And also be sure to use a psu which doesn't have a 0rpm mode, cause you'll need it for exhaust. FYI: I have a 303, with a 240mm radiator in the bottom between 2 spectres, and 2 EK Vardars (these go up to 12% pwm, cause they would be LOUD otherwise), and a 3rd spectre in the rear-most spot, right under the msi gaming gtx 980. The radiator cools a 5Ghz 7700k. Rear exhaust = spectre; top exhaust 3 140mm be quiet shadow wings (at 7V, ~600rpm), and I put the case's stock fan (@7V) onto the perforated side panel (using twist ties), cause air was getting trapped there. It's flawless. Silent at idle, barely audible at 100% load with a low frequency sound, which isn't annoying at all. CPU and GPU go up to 60C (in cpu heavy and/or poorly optimised games, such as AC origins, tc wildlands; otherwise 55 is tops).

[@eirikol1]

I have the 301 with a 8700k and a Titan Z I got used (dual gpu card). The Titan card is a bitch in terms of cooling, runs hot no matter what you do... I have a x52 radiator on the front fan mounts that works as an exhaust, having it intake cooked the motherboard, the rear fan and two bottom fan as intake. It works fairly well, the Titan is 375w tdp so I have no chance cooling it at all without it getting very, very loud... Trying to get hold of a 1080 but ya know...

[@ludo_3484]

The first build is also pulling air from the bottom of the front panel and what I got from this video is that it really doesn’t matter

[@Pawggystyle]

Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ATX, you already did it with your brown watercooled 1700x I think. Would be cool if you could revive that!

[@ylcard]

You overestimate the severity of airflow impedance, you can stuff it with anything you want and it'll still perform within operational specs. As long as air can enter and escape the case, it'll find a way inside the case and the temperature will be fine.

[@MercuryDNB]

So... No fans, no vents, small case = high temperature, performance degrades. More fans, more vents, bigger case = better performance. Isn't that a given?

[@danielcrismariu2170]

Phanteks Evolv ATX tempered glass edition, got this case and has some temps issues , but I made the following changes and seems to be working just fine: Distanced the front plate by adding some stands + longer screws with this I got a 1 cm increase in the side gap (more air flow instantly dropping like 3/4 C on GPU) , CPU radiator up ( it's a 280mm so I blocked off the remaining space on the radiator tray with a thin plastic or cardboard and duct tape, stealthy mod I should add) , and unscrewed the top panel backside for more exhaust (no performance gain for this one though). Next step would be drilling breathing holes/gaps (pattern or model, imagination goes wild on this one) on front plate and/or top, but before I do that permanent mod I would really love to see some more suggestions / mods and so on. I know you have one around there so let's do this ! Cheers !

[@samita137]

Where the Louqe Ghost case build bro... That's a tiny case too, so next test should be on it!!!!

[@tomdavidson4164]

Removing the side panel doesn't equate to a suddenly 'ideal' scenario. With the side panel on the air is forced to rise (both naturally and because of the front intakes) and then be efficiently exhausted by the top fans, but with it off you suddenly lose that natural cycle of airflow and so less heat is actively moved away from the gpu. A straight case swap using the same fans was needed to show results here.

[@MaverickandStuff]

With the case side off, the fans are less effective at removing the heat.

[@hamyncheese]

It seems jay was too drunk to consider that the 2x 120mm fans on the back and top of the case were actually doing something useful with the side panel on the case?

[@mason5080]

Maverick Wagner when he's testing it you can see the window... it's closed

[@MaverickandStuff]

I guess you did not watch the entire video.

[@christopherhillhouse2409]

It had nothing to do with the fans you idiots he was wanting to see how much air flow restriction the "HOLES" on the "CASE" and radiator had when bringing fresh air across the GPU....

[@RobertF]

In 2020 I built in this case & assumed a blower style would be a better fit. Good to know for future upgrades if prices come down anyway.

[@reinbeers5322]

the walmart gaming PC case suffocates everything XD

[@Narko_Marko]

is it good to keep the case open if its like this?

[@petemcneil4973]

Guess the cameraman finished off the bud light ;)

[@jveasey2243]

For a case that cuts off the air - you need to try the InWin 301 mATX. Small hexagonal cutouts on the side with the cables behind it.

[@philippelamounier2623]

NCASE M1

[@tylerflowers2758]

I second the Ncase

[@Ishiku__aka_xchoibitschibihil]

Philippe Lamounier here here ! but the m case is actually very open. Dear God I wish I could put two gpus in that case

[@Xewl]

""Open" but super compact, and it'll get hot on the outside, surely when u put a rad on the side panel or put the case in a closet (lol...):/

[@IroaEdit]

U can easily solve over-heating... As u can see the side panel is mounted by 4 screws right into the construction of teh case, just use some spacers and make some distance . It will afgfect some dust apperaing more but It fixed mine problem. U can also buy some anti-dust placers and paste them there where the uncovered space is.( Also u can buy1080Ti with water force extension, probably the best !)

[@maherHawk]

Has anyone ever told you? You'd look like geralt of rivia from witcher 3 if you had longer hair lol

[@omarangulo19]

labib haque a derpy version maybe

[@omarangulo19]

labib haque not to dis jay

[@sithizlyfted459]

labib haque now that you mentioned im gonna do some special effects on him to see if it works lol

[@WookieeRage]

Since it's such an older video this is pretty much irrelevant, but the way you added the paper it looks like you just bent it slightly and placed it between the battery shroud and the gpu. I'm not convinced that the paper wasn't butted up against the gpu fans instead of just blocking off the perforated battery shroud as you intended. At no point could you see the paper from the front which seems to support my hypothesis. That being said, even if my observation is correct it didn't make a difference with the overall goal of the test. I just thought it was sloppy test methods, which again didn't interfere with the end goal. Just my ocd kicking in.

[@MrPhilipjenkins1966]

NZXT H440 gpu cooker

[@Lehpurdzzz]

philip jenkins just take the front panel off

[@ChristianLovenify]

was going to write this as well. Sure you can take the front panel off but it doesn't look good.

[@azanal-hosni7244]

And motherboard cooker too

[@ControllerSupported]

Thank you, I just put my setup in a smaller case, and it's about 24mm above the bottom of the case, or PSU shroud if you will, but it goes most of the bottom of the case, and I wasn't sure if this would be bad for the GPU. My temps, honestly didn't go up, OTHER THAN my GPU junction temps????? No idea how/why, but I swear on my life that is the only thing that changed..... Weird... Oh, one more mention, the GPU used to sit on a vertical mount in the bigger case, and now it is horizontal or normal, whatever you wanna call it. Anyway, thanks for the video, it makes me rest easier.

[@mostdope216]

No, but thermal throttling does...

[@GothaRsk]

With at least one fan in front and one in the back you will have enough airflow. LTT did 2 videos related to this with conclusive results. One, that 2 fans are enough (intake and exhaust) and second one that cable management and blocked GPU/CPU fan don't matter. 1. Case Fans - How many should you have? 2. Cable Management - Does it impact cooling performance? At all?...

[@alexipeck4201]

In my Fractal Design Node 202, my temps suffered with an EVGA 1080ti FTW3, thermal throttling. Once I added 2 fans sandwiched with the gpu, it went bloody well.

[@Kabirr]

Well, I think if you redid (after restarting) it without the case side panel, the Temps would come down. See, what happens is when you're at 74c and 65% fan usage, your gpu software says "OK, so this is how hot I am it's not that bad" When you remove the paper it says "whew, some breathing room so let me dial down the fan a bit. I could cool it even more, but that'd just take more energy" When you remove the side panel, "wow, it's gonna be pretty cool, and I could make it cooler but I'm too lazy and the Temps are still fine! Don't fix what ain't broke. I'll let it be" It's all relative, as your gpu temp goes down from the max temp your gpu goes "cool man, at least I'm not THAT hot anymore, it's fine" But when you do a restart, the gpu has no previous Temps to compare it to and it tries to give the best cooling it can on the first run. ^all this is ofcourse what happens in the software of gpu, I find these dialogues a much easier way to explain what I'm trying to say. So,yeah.

[@Sevicify]

Well before he removed the panel the temp fluctuated from 73-74c with 55-56% fan speed and 1924-1911 core clock (dropped down as he was talking), after removing the panel it was 71-72c with 57% fan speed and stable 1924 on the core. So the temp did decrease which allowed it to maintain a higher core clock possibly with a higher voltage too (pity he doesn't include this in the overlay) while still being a lower temp, and don't forget he mentioned the ambient room temp had slightly risen when he removed the paper so it's possible it may have increased further before this test. That said I agree that ideally it would be best to cool the GPU off between tests and start "clean" to reduce effects from pre-existing conditions, whether the results Jay saw in the last test would actually be much different however is another question.

[@Kabirr]

Sevicify nice point, I agree with you

[@kylevanwagn3r]

This is awesome, just bought this case and couldn't find a solid answer as to whether a blower would be better than open air.

[@DICEpls]

SG13

[@DICEpls]

Yes good idea

[@descent777]

Phanteks Evolve Shift! I have one and it is awful for non-blower GPU cooling. I currently run a 140mm rad push pull setup for intake/CPU cooling at the bottom with a single 140mm exhaust at the top. I have an EVGA ACX 970 and have max all 3 system fans to reach decent temps, while also adjusting the GPU fan curve. If I leave the fans on a normal curve, the GPU reaches 85c in seconds with normal gaming load. Switching to a blower style GPU is night and day with temps.

[@xzaviastreet]

8:29 demonetized

[@OpinionatedHuman]

I always wanted to switch to a quiet case as my PC is in the living room. A test with one of those padded silent cases would be nice to see if it's OK for a gamer like me (overclocking everything is normal for me).

[@jejejadeds]

Jay, that case has an included standoff for the GPU

[@codehustler]

my NZXT H200 case came with a GPU card support spacer which mounts anywhere on those venting holes to support the card and prevent sag.

[@TImothybrooks1997]

Luckily I don't have a GPU for my small case to affect so I can sleep easy at night!!

[@Swermie]

Pre-watch: I would think all that mattered was the amount of air going through the case. As long as a good amount of air was going over the components and then swiftly being grabbed by the exhaust fans, then it would be fine. Say, for example, a 70 to 75 degree room would be a nice benchmark, but in an Arizonan/Southern Californian summer, it would be a little bit worse. Choking airflow off from the internal components while it is already warm in the room would just be worst case scenario.

[@tjk_prince]

guess that is a worst case sanerio ^^

[@CourtesyToot]

Punny AF ahhhhaha worst "case"

[@lastogthegreat4360]

Jay is really a good teacher. Every video is educational

[@hawki417]

definitely not first

[@mrdefalt8579]

Thermaltake view 37 argb. My Gigabyte rtx 3070 Hit 80-82 degrees. Same parts in a corsair 4000x and it don't even touch the 70s.

[@kraazydodge690]

Fractal design nano s

[@nazk2423]

that's a good ariflow case example, I'm sure temps would be the same as in this video or lower, since it doesn't come with a PSU shroud. And if you're using an SFX PSU, you got even more space and air.

[@vedantsomrah6756]

There's also the rear fan that is pretty close to the card which takes out a large amount of that heat.

[@advanced_it3904]

TEST ON H440

[@st44rk7]

My MSI AMD R9 390 ran in the high 80s and usually 90C+ in my H440..... At 100% fan speed..... Fuck the H440 😂😂

[@herpmcderp5707]

And the silent edition please. although i have no problem with strix 1070 aib and cpu rad in front with push/pull for more airflow

[@pameton]

I have 2 R9390x in crossfire inside this case, omg its running hot, id like to see the test and some improvements ideas

[@DevilsWarGameplay]

I had a Phanteks P400, my 1080 Ti Black Edition card was getting around 77C with spikes at 78C. I drilled holes in the front of the case and put a dust filter. My temps dropped to 73C, so I kept the case a little longer. Now I have the Define R6 and my temps stay around 71C with the door open and 72C to 73C with the door closed.

[@harshitvarma2824]

Tommorow is my birthday !!

[@st44rk7]

Harshit Varma Congratulations, you are now one year closer to death. HAPPYHDAY RANDOM PERSON ON THE INTERNET!

[@volodymyrm.3848]

Somehow I have a feeling, that it should have been tested a little bit different: open air test bench comparison should be included, GPU boost turned off(maybe put some overclock instead but the frequency should be constant) and fan rpm set to some constant value

[@undagroundrican]

These gpu videos are a bummer.. Can't purchase any without getting raped. Thanks Jay.

[@jonathanhardee6675]

Gregorio Lozano buy used

[@undagroundrican]

Jonathan Hardee thanks for chiming in but those used gpu prices are ridiculous. Have you looked around? 700 dollars for a used 1070 is not looking good.

[@kevink6265]

Thinking the same thing, wish I could but a GPU.

[@TE5LA-GAMING]

But the reference style fan will be affected by removing the case panel because when it's closed, it's pulling in warm air. When the panel is off, it's pulling in cooler air.

[@lidolf8168]

Like the vid.

[@TE5LA-GAMING]

I can see a "case" for smaller cases being better for cooling if they are designed well because you could create better airflow. There could be more CFM assuming the same fans in a larger case.

[@BarfyMan_362]

2 years later I’m reconsidering this form factor for my next build, the only problem is the size of the beefy boy 30 series cards

[@Matthew-qv4vl]

ik that this case isn't specifically restricting airflow to the GPU, but I have seen people complaining about airflow on the 570X. As I personally own this case, I would love to see if there's a good way to keep most of the glass, but still have better airflow!

[@zeroawn3805]

people say NZXT H440 has really bad air flow (im using the 2015 edition and not the original 2014 one) but i think the air flow is fine, would love to see you testing it using that case :)

[@pavlezdr]

Hmm what temps would you be looking at if you had a vertical mount and the side panel open?

[@thelespauldude3283]

Try the CiT Blaze gaming case from amazon. The Front panel is literally put up against the Fans so they dont move any air at all because the Fans are mounted on the outside of the case shroud.

[@nocturnal101ravenous6]

Jay one of the problems with the EVGA styled cooler is it likes to dump hot air mobo side causing that air with no where to go to get recirculated back though the fans till it gets exhausted out the opposite side. Odd enough I took a small server fan and mounted it at the end of the card and mobo from what I noticed the temps came down because the fan was clearing the hot air out the pocket gap trapping the hot air causing the GPU to recirculate it back through the cooling system. Larger case fans don't seem to clear that vortex from the system, making the GTX card hotter than what it could be.

[@larrygall5831]

I have no idea why some say front is bad location for rad. If the fans are blowing out, it's the most unrestricted exhaust besides the top.

[@crowaust]

69F = about 20.5C So a nice cool winters day? Summer here in Australia can be as low as 30C/86F and as high as 40C/104F, so how much does ambient temp change things? Also with a front mounted Rad even if you don't have cool air flowing, you still have air flowing across the card and out the case through the rear fan. It would be interesting to repeat this test with a stock/tower cpu HSF, and no front/rear case fans.

[@MsNikkieMichelle]

Interesting video Jay. Its a informative video for people who maybe don’t have a lot of space for a mid to full tower or want the aesthetics of a small form factor but not skimp on some of the bells and whistles. I really expected temps to be a bit higher which was pleasantly shocking. Great video as always :)

[@antoniobenitez7366]

What about instead of 240mm radiator, put a 120mm radiator with push/pull, on the upper front and a fan intake bellow, so the air from this one could flow into the PSU cage and bring fresh air to the GPU through the holes.

[@spulmusic]

Try the CM MasterBox Lite 5, a lot of people say that the fans in front don't get a lot of airflow. Test this. And then test it with the front panel not fully clipped in (only the 2 on top clipped in if you get what I mean).

[@joonahuikuri6662]

Try the Cubeor Vault 1.1 if you can get your hands on one. With a graphics card near the max lenght, the card's airflow is almost completely blocked.

[@josefglandstrom9126]

Phanteks evolved shift. Only about 3/4 inch between back of the motherboard and the GPU fans, and just one intake fan (or exhaust , depend on what you choose to do)

[@TheDyingFox]

Speaking of small form factors and cooling... My first PC Build: Silverstone Sugo SG09 with: i7 6850K (with "be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 3" cooler) Corsair Vengeance LPX Black DDR4 PC17000/2133MHz CL13 4x16GB ASUS X99-WS/SE 2x GTX 1080 Ti Fe 2x Samsung 850 Evo MZ-75E500B/EU 500GB SSD in RAID 0 2x Seagate Ironwolf ST2000VN004 64MB 2TB 3,5" in RAID 1 and a "be quiet! Power Zone 1000W CM" PSU I have these 5 fans and they are from "be quiet!" and has "PWM" control: 2x 120mm Silent Wings 3 PWM 2x 92mm Silent Wings 2 PWM 1x 80mm Silent Wings 2 PWM The top fan is the 180 mm Air Penetrator though. *@Idle (gpu.clock 139Mhz, mem.clock 495Mhz):* Room temp: 22C Card 1: Choking card: 33C Card 2: Lower card: 22C (@ room temp) Both fans are at 23% according to MSI Afterburner. *During load (powLimit 100%, Temp.Limit 84C, fanLimit 50%:* The choking card falls from 1835Mhz to 1480Mhz back and forth. The lower card stays stable at 1835Mhz at 73C *@forced 60% Fan speed on both* choking card is at 1835Mhz to 1480Mhz at 84C The lower card @60C 1847Mhz *@forced 70% Fan speed on both* choking card is bounces 1733Mhz to 1771Mhz at 84C The lower card @57C at 1847Mhz *Summary:* So I'm definitely having trouble getting air to the sandwiched card and/or maybe the lower card takes most of the air and blows it out. An other problem I'm having is that all PWM fans are found and controlled in BIOS (PWM selected, not DC), but not a single software finds them or can access them in Windows 10. *And fun fact:* BIOS uses CPU temp to control case fans, but the CPU is not under much load when I max GPUs. CPU cores are 2C (@24C) over room temp at Idle. And even during 100% load (for 18minutes): 43 to 45C on the cores (40C on motherboard and socket)... this means the case fans stays at lowest RPM, giving GPUs crappy cooling. I've been thinking about a manual Fan controller, but I have no place to mount it on the case. Even if I would use just a Potentiometer. (I Don't want to mod the case).

[@Alex-zs1if]

Not even watching anymore lol - just enjoying your voice jay! it's so relaxing

[@b3arfan197]

Taking the sides of the case just hinders air "flow/vaccum" but allows more and quicker access to ambient air.