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Holistic Songwriting

Holistic Songwriting

Күн бұрын

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@mkoffler
@mkoffler 6 жыл бұрын
another point that can be learned here: START with that structure formula. as soon as it works, you may still change the song at a later stage. make it more complicated later, not vice versa.
@mkoffler
@mkoffler 4 жыл бұрын
@@oinkooink well i've written my first 1000. so i've forgotten al formulas already. and i even forgot i posted this comment ;-) oink oink
@ianmathew05
@ianmathew05 4 жыл бұрын
max koffler pls check this kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJS3fHR3ds6qZpI
@ozanmrcan
@ozanmrcan 4 жыл бұрын
@@oinkooink I'm sent here by the chosen one
@robertvondarth1730
@robertvondarth1730 3 жыл бұрын
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@MrKennyBones
@MrKennyBones 3 жыл бұрын
This! There is no formula, every song is different. The key is listening to the song and trying to figure out what the song wants to be. Not what YOU want it to be. That will always feel forced.
@threes5031
@threes5031 3 жыл бұрын
Learn the rules like a pro so you can break them like an artist. -Pablo Picasso
@thekalamerchant
@thekalamerchant 2 жыл бұрын
Now that is a cool quote. :^)
@suspicious_coconut_water
@suspicious_coconut_water 2 жыл бұрын
Oh dang
@kdakan
@kdakan 2 жыл бұрын
Yet these are not the rules you need to learn.
@EasyTiger.01343
@EasyTiger.01343 10 ай бұрын
Yeah! He totally said that, in what, 1926?
@velvetandvice
@velvetandvice 8 ай бұрын
Yup - I started life as a photographer and my tutor, 40 years ago, would shout "SHOOT THE FUCKING POSTCARD!" When he was in a better mood he would also say, "To be an artist, first you have to be a craftsman"
@remotegod255
@remotegod255 6 жыл бұрын
Yo, I just wanted to come back and leave an updated comment. Since watching this *just 10 days ago* I have recorded drafts of *FIVE finished songs* and I'm halfway through a sixth one. That's more than I usually finish in a damn YEAR! Nearly a finished song every two days! Are the songs great? HELL no. I would barely share these with anyone. But... BUT... there are some killer IDEAS in them - a hook and chorus here, a couple verses there, a bridge and a pre-chorus in another one... and I am *learning* soooo much by making these. And just getting over my ANXIETIES about finishing songs. Another source that has helped me write is the book "Write Better Lyrics" by Pat Pattinson, because I was having trouble writing words to my music. But the main thing is THIS VIDEO. I created an ultra-basic template exactly as described and picked a keyboard/synth plugin, got the 4 tracks set up (Keyboard, Vocal, Bass, and Drums with a basic drumbeat for each section) Then I just started writing and recording. I have this folder now called "Fast Shitty Songwriting" that takes all the PRESSURE off, since I *admit* the songs will mostly be crap, I just write and LEARN over and over again! I can tell I'm improving, though! It's helped me focus on good form and structure, not creating polished tracks, more like really focusing on the BASICS and ESSENTIALS of songwriting, which I always felt like I did NOT understand. Now, with each song I finish, it all makes more and more SENSE!!!!!! Just wanted to really thank you again man, it's making a major difference in my creative life. Love your videos
@remotegod255
@remotegod255 5 жыл бұрын
Coming back almost a year later to say I've finished writing 50 new songs and now I'm moving forward on arranging and producing the best ones to start releasing soon :) Been working on music almost every single day and still just as excited - no joke to say this video was a lifesaver for me!
@JohnLozo
@JohnLozo 5 жыл бұрын
@@remotegod255 Congrats!! Glad everything went well for you :)
@paulbeck2816
@paulbeck2816 5 жыл бұрын
Way to go, you are inspiring🎶🎶🎶
@cyndyduda3400
@cyndyduda3400 5 жыл бұрын
Remote God Who cares what others think. The point is that, You’re Doin’ It🤛🏼 And that’s satisfying to your soul👍🏼 As for me, I have about 25 years of acoustic songs, but no lyrics. So I’m just starting. I know what I want to write about, I just have to put words to music and hope it goes together. Thanks for the post, it gives ,me hope✍🏻
@thomasdc2439
@thomasdc2439 5 жыл бұрын
same for me. I had thousands of random unfinished ideas before I've seen this video. Then I've used this template and also the "4 chord song" approach and suddenly I was able to finish songs. They are not perfect by any means, BUT … done is better than perfect.
@semi-relatablerants3964
@semi-relatablerants3964 5 жыл бұрын
When your ten favorite songs consist of tool, pink floyd, and rush: *Sweats nervously*
@Dylanquinn666
@Dylanquinn666 5 жыл бұрын
Same lol. Learn the rules before you try breaking the rules ;)
@Benjamin_Lees_
@Benjamin_Lees_ 5 жыл бұрын
Ikr he said "pop song" like bruh
@szhzs6121
@szhzs6121 5 жыл бұрын
and here i am thinking of my favourite techno song...
@KingsArrowMusic
@KingsArrowMusic 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of them actually still follow this formula or at least something relatively similar.
@stevenswisher4339
@stevenswisher4339 4 жыл бұрын
Mine are all prince, I feel your pain 😂
@DamnTastyVegan
@DamnTastyVegan 6 жыл бұрын
“Don’t make something bigger, make what comes before it smaller” when I first learned this from your book it blew my mind. So simple and so powerful. It works amazingly well
@sirshinra
@sirshinra 6 жыл бұрын
Listen to most songs now days. Dua Lipa IDGAF for instance, the verse is like nothing at all apart from a simple guitar. We live in simpler times.
@DamnTastyVegan
@DamnTastyVegan 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. There is so much implied tension in songs these days. It lets the audience fill in the blanks. So very cool to listen to and analyze
@mikehall6e
@mikehall6e 6 жыл бұрын
I think this description applies to the male erection!
@Ahhyourepissingmeoff
@Ahhyourepissingmeoff 6 жыл бұрын
Ever since then I started shaving my pubes.
@JimJWalker
@JimJWalker 6 жыл бұрын
Do the opposite...."Digging in the Dirt" by Peter Gabriel has a huge verse and a minimal chorus. Rules are meant to be broken.
@yisraelgarcia858
@yisraelgarcia858 4 жыл бұрын
I love how straight forward this guy is. 0% bullshit and no wasting time some give this man a trophy
@Abaramotorai
@Abaramotorai 6 жыл бұрын
For someone who has had some experience with writing songs for rock bands back in early 00's. I believe some people didn't get what this video means. He didn't say you can't do anything other than this. He said this is one of the 300 ways he picked it up from studies he conducted and is the most common one. Now from there.... Some free awesome tips to makes your life easier and start getting somewhere. Creativity does play a key role in everything in Art. After all music is art. But it doesn't come from no where. One needs practice in order to achieve perfection and start making your own rules and understand some patterns. This is a simple way. And I have to say that if anyone knows a little bit about (or anything in life) music writing you would understand how far you can stretch simple ideas and transform into master pieces. Hopefully this makes sense to some folks down this comment section. Great video and thank you. Hopefully I'll see more material like this coming out. By the way rock is also pop music. ;)
@babyfazejuju
@babyfazejuju 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting out in music and this was great! I tried to go straight into creating "unique" music for fear that I would end up creating art from a template. But now I realise that you can't exactly paint if you don't even know how a brush, acrylics or a canvas works i.e. you need to develop the basics in creating music before going off to becoming Beethoven... thank youuuu
@ladydignity
@ladydignity 4 жыл бұрын
Wow,good advice!
@katearaos
@katearaos 6 жыл бұрын
Many people believe that "limiting" your ideas is wrong, but I believe is a clever idea to stop procrastinating and know the posible end result since the beginning 👏👏👏
@Soundboy817
@Soundboy817 6 жыл бұрын
So true
@Tendro44
@Tendro44 5 жыл бұрын
@@markskaggs5572 Ever been indecisive? or back and forth between ideas because there are were too many of them? Well, "limiting" is a funnel (aka this video as an example) that is big enough to fit all your ideas into it. Lots of ideas go into it, only one comes out. this is to help you get started and stop procrastinating. once you are more familiar with the work, the other ideas can be revisited with what you've already learned and know. It is then usually where you start reinventing the stuff you've worked on and it becomes your own. I hoped i helped explained it okay.
@niadomiofficial9905
@niadomiofficial9905 5 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more, limiting and setting restrictions helps me so much with procrastination
@gerardovega7983
@gerardovega7983 5 жыл бұрын
Kate Alexandra truth for a lot of things in life.
@zoltannemeth8864
@zoltannemeth8864 5 жыл бұрын
Tendro RR - What if I am uncertain if I am indecisive?
@Proutprutproutprout
@Proutprutproutprout 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. I kept making small pieces of songs and had no idea how to arrange them into a full fledged song, this kickstarted something really satisfying!!!
@ermonski
@ermonski 5 жыл бұрын
As a metalhead, I'd say a lot of heavy metal hits are written this way. It's a pretty basic and easy to understand formula but trying to write a song even with this basic structure is difficult. Thank you for this guideline.
@Legndricky1
@Legndricky1 6 жыл бұрын
music is art, its okay to.....not even use this formula.
@thetruemaxgoof
@thetruemaxgoof 5 жыл бұрын
Lab Rox How is art science?
@blearbenin
@blearbenin 5 жыл бұрын
yeah if you can make something that sounds good without using this formula then you're fine but this still helps...
@ht9418
@ht9418 5 жыл бұрын
@@blearbenin is math related to science?
@callmenef2201
@callmenef2201 5 жыл бұрын
Truth. But there is huge differences between, Singers, Song Writers, Rappers, and Artists.. A artists know that fact. The rest are just trying to keep up
@ShreadsEBS
@ShreadsEBS 5 жыл бұрын
You can make a hit top 40 song... or make music just for the love of music. These are two complete different approaches. But yes... there really are no rules to music.
@Junbizzy
@Junbizzy Жыл бұрын
I make beats and music as a hobby and have researched many sites,books and videos… this simple video literally was the most detailed and specific/Easy simple way for structure! Thanks for squishing 15years of practice into 5min instructions! Thank you!
@ucenlyricz2983
@ucenlyricz2983 Жыл бұрын
Contact please
@alexphillips5319
@alexphillips5319 6 жыл бұрын
I recently composed a piece for my GSCE music qualification, and I’m glad to see that it pretty much follows this form.
@navjotbaskar
@navjotbaskar 3 жыл бұрын
this 5 minutes video has more information and rather important information than much longer ones on the same topic, mind blown, heart won!!
@caliemm2159
@caliemm2159 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea as well is : look how your favourite songs are structured. Example: look up online how the lyrics are written . View their structure . .Find your favourite genre, stick with that for a while. Write, experiment. With practice it starts to come together
@mannydemonton2943
@mannydemonton2943 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know you, and this is a first time watching a music construction tutorial video, but sir, that blurry golden KZbin button in the background ? You fully deserve it. Legendary content, thanks.
@zlatarytinova9398
@zlatarytinova9398 5 жыл бұрын
first verse pre-chorus chorus second verse chorus bridge chorus • i like this
@rayderrich
@rayderrich 3 жыл бұрын
Over 1.2 million viewers already, and for good reasons: you explain it well, and the information is timeless. Thanks!
@TupoyChuvak
@TupoyChuvak Ай бұрын
I've spent over 20 years discovering stuff he's explained in a minute.... 🤣🤣🤣 it's fun to learn, it's more fun to live...... ✌️
@ianmarburger6845
@ianmarburger6845 5 жыл бұрын
“Yes, it is, this is not a quiz show”😂😂
@Nikita-eo2nn
@Nikita-eo2nn 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha
@issamiller3137
@issamiller3137 2 жыл бұрын
Great tip : "Carefully plan when to add what, and the instrument will have more impact on the listener". Great advice. Max Martin is definitely the GOAT
@tylerhodgson8919
@tylerhodgson8919 5 жыл бұрын
It’s sad seeing all these comments going “im never gonna do this - it limits my creativity”... literally structure is what makes music possible to follow and understand. Composers have been using form and structure for centuries. Nowadays you see less variation on the content and maybe less of a stray from the structure as you may have seen before, but structure really does help and by no means limits creativity.
@ELLIOT8209
@ELLIOT8209 4 жыл бұрын
They think going against the grain is magic
@MrMikomi
@MrMikomi 4 жыл бұрын
@@ELLIOT8209 Going against the grain and making it work is magic.
@totallyfrozen
@totallyfrozen 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t worry about those people. They’ll never make any music that reaches the world.
@rubenvela44
@rubenvela44 3 жыл бұрын
Its good inspiration but not sure how to do it. I can make perfect harmonies but not sure how to give it an intro or a bridge
@Pulse2AM
@Pulse2AM 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubenvela44 You can repeat the chorus melody on a synth for an intro as an example or do something only heard once in the song at the intro. Bridges are usually a departure either melodically, with different chords, break it down by taking out the drums etc.
@jaredharper19
@jaredharper19 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of people acting like using a template or rules is a bad thing.. you’re still writing music. Some people like having a structure to get things started and need a pattern to follow. I’m very much this way and really appreciate this video!
@011001er
@011001er 3 жыл бұрын
Finally a KZbin lesson that's succinct. Refreshingly to the point, cheers.
@markpalleschi5172
@markpalleschi5172 2 жыл бұрын
The make what comes before the chorus lower to make the chorus stand out more makes so much sense and really fixes a problem I’ve been having
@kool-ala4351
@kool-ala4351 3 жыл бұрын
I hate when people say “MuSiC CoMes FRom tHE hEArT!” Which is not wrong, but man I need structure! It’s like having a bedroom without walls or a roof... this is the video I needed to see!
@amosteddx4774
@amosteddx4774 3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🤣 agree with you.
@mjones2424
@mjones2424 3 жыл бұрын
It's the difference of you enjoying your music alone or the masses enjoying it, as well. Different era's mainly due to drug use listened to very elusive music writing styles, but when sober a template may be helpful hahaha
@DreampunkOffical
@DreampunkOffical Жыл бұрын
Good music comes from talent
@amidreaming716
@amidreaming716 5 жыл бұрын
After years of trying and failing, this video helped me write my first complete song, it finally clicked. Thank you :)
@zainfadi7953
@zainfadi7953 6 жыл бұрын
Friedemann has explained in 5 minutes what I figured out in like a month! Great Job man, please keep uploading more stuff about the structure and arrangement, and maybe the most common drum patterns and how they change along the song, and maybe the most famous riffs and basslines? Thanks again and stay gefährlich!
@acharich
@acharich 6 жыл бұрын
😅😅😅
@TheRealistM.A.P
@TheRealistM.A.P 2 жыл бұрын
You Are A God Sent! Thank You For Your Presence!
@St0ckwell
@St0ckwell 6 жыл бұрын
Holistic Songwriting - "Here's how a pop song is written" Comments - "bUt THaT's NoT hOW yOU mAkE prOG rOCk!"
@joacobosa
@joacobosa 6 жыл бұрын
i was just going to comment the prog rock thing, you caught me
@GB-rb1up
@GB-rb1up 5 жыл бұрын
A working knowledge of the periodic table of the musical elements is required!
@unknownv8462
@unknownv8462 5 жыл бұрын
Yea
@shrineofbeats6447
@shrineofbeats6447 4 жыл бұрын
Your profile photo explains your pain
@Thrasher5251
@Thrasher5251 4 жыл бұрын
I love you
@crazy_magic_music8753
@crazy_magic_music8753 4 жыл бұрын
This is easily one of the best and most helpful tutorials. I've seen in a long time.
@matthewszymanski7037
@matthewszymanski7037 6 жыл бұрын
It's not the form that makes most pop songs sound similar. It's the combination of similar form, tempo, chord progression, three note melodies, and overproduced tracks that make them sound the same. You can totally be creative and within the form and do fun things with transitions, instrumental breaks, etc.
@botedebasura7624
@botedebasura7624 11 ай бұрын
I wish this video wasn't just about what a structure is but actually a complete song composition because I love how he teaches I want more tips
@SuperRand13
@SuperRand13 6 жыл бұрын
Literally just searched "Holistic Songwriting" and this shows "uploaded 56 seconds ago"
@dennisvanderben2719
@dennisvanderben2719 6 жыл бұрын
SuperRand13 nice luck:D
@labeaufitude5700
@labeaufitude5700 6 жыл бұрын
Holistic event for a holistic songwriting
@girlethereal268
@girlethereal268 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been making music since I was 4 and this is literally the most helpful clear thing I’ve ever listened to thank you
@good4sound
@good4sound 4 жыл бұрын
I would just add that the intro should be one bar. In today's streaming arena, listeners aren't patient enough to listen to long intros. Listen to any new song on the radio. They get right to it. Then again, break the rules...
@electricpurple4112
@electricpurple4112 4 жыл бұрын
Yep, things have changed a lot since the posting of this video in 2018!
@ladydignity
@ladydignity 4 жыл бұрын
Yep,so true!
@bushemilvas8830
@bushemilvas8830 3 жыл бұрын
This is the definitely trick that I have been looking for years ago. Thanks.
@kurtiboii
@kurtiboii 6 жыл бұрын
im watching this outside with my shoes
@penname1348
@penname1348 6 жыл бұрын
dont you dare
@Holistic-songwriting
@Holistic-songwriting 6 жыл бұрын
I'm offended!!
@kurtiboii
@kurtiboii 6 жыл бұрын
Holistic Songwriting okay okay im in home now. no shoes :D
@lennon_richardson
@lennon_richardson 5 жыл бұрын
Your shoes watch KZbin! AMAZING!!!
@mthomas1091
@mthomas1091 5 жыл бұрын
Not even ‘house shoes’?
@TalesOfKrypton
@TalesOfKrypton 5 жыл бұрын
The comments that go flying off the handle, as well as off the topic, astound me: this is a great video lesson that gives developing songwriters structures and goals to gain experience, accomplishment and a sense of achievement. It also tears down walls of procrastination between the creator and the creation. But, ultimately, the structure described is a place to START, not a place to STAY.
@RoomieOfficial
@RoomieOfficial 2 жыл бұрын
This is great advice🔥
@msp20075
@msp20075 Жыл бұрын
Trying this because it is now Roomie approved lol ^>^
@myselfbabarali
@myselfbabarali 3 жыл бұрын
Clear talk, Simple Way & Huge of Concepts. Even he didn't spoke his name.
@Akherousia502
@Akherousia502 6 жыл бұрын
I love how you can't tell if this is genuine advice or really well-crafted, dead-pan ridicule. The best part about that is there's actual knowledge to be obtained by this, yet it still feels like a criticism of the pop formula as a whole.
@kylecoetzee2391
@kylecoetzee2391 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly I don't think one single video has ever helped as much as this one. Bless you
@squidman97
@squidman97 6 жыл бұрын
Most famous songs have the vocals come in within like 6 seconds, sometimes a 4 bar intro is too long to maintain interest. Having a short one can be an instant hook.
@willbaldwin3605
@willbaldwin3605 5 жыл бұрын
Having to think about more instruments is making this songwriting thing much harder, but I think it brings out more potential
@hidatabs
@hidatabs 4 жыл бұрын
Many thanks to you man
@FidgetMDCCLXIV
@FidgetMDCCLXIV 2 жыл бұрын
Here is my breakdown of songs by length. Abnormally short - 9:00 My songs would always have 3 verses. Every verse plus pre plus chorus is the exact same length. I nearly always have the third verse start when the song is about 55-65% finished. Especially when the song is quite long (5:45 or longer). My structure: Intro > Verse 1 > (Pre 1) > Chorus 1 > Verse 2 > (Pre 2) > Chorus 2 > Middle section (Bridge or instrumental or both) > Verse 3 > (Pre 3) > Chorus 3 > Chorus 4 > Outro
@ayushthapamangar801
@ayushthapamangar801 Жыл бұрын
tq
@5ON5
@5ON5 Жыл бұрын
2023 adjustment ... subtract 60 sec on every unit u mentioned. average is now 2:15-3:00 ^^ it gettin shorter baby
@FidgetMDCCLXIV
@FidgetMDCCLXIV Жыл бұрын
@@5ON5 I'm including all the songs from the early days as well
@fuqifiknow1122
@fuqifiknow1122 5 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. The Intro and first verse are 20 bars total? So 80 measures? at 120 bpm in 4/4, that means the first Chorus doesn't start until over 2 minutes into the song. That doesn't feel right. Am I missing something? EDIT: So i was taught by my classical piano teacher when I was 11 that a bar was a group of 4 measures. I was today years old when i learned that they're actually the same thing so I'm not confused anymore
@arteTechtureAyman
@arteTechtureAyman 4 жыл бұрын
Bar and measure are the same length, and since we are talking about simple pop music, so it will be in 4/4 timing, which will be 4 whole notes in every measure/bar Real music uses other timing like 3/4, 7/8, 5/4 and many others, even better! They change between them inside the same song or even when changing measures
@NcMuggets
@NcMuggets 4 жыл бұрын
20 bars = 20 measures
@totallyfrozen
@totallyfrozen 3 жыл бұрын
@@arteTechtureAyman Song in 4/4 time are real music too. In fact, “3-chord wonders” are real musical too. Labeling art binds it and doesn’t allow it to freely exist in its own space.
@Piano_Albert
@Piano_Albert 2 жыл бұрын
The last slide about song structure is fricking brilliant, exactly what I needed right now. I just bought the book on audeble :)
@rockonileva
@rockonileva 6 жыл бұрын
First: Learn the system..> Then: subvert the system!
@Yanayofficial
@Yanayofficial 4 жыл бұрын
João Avelino exactly!!
@lionel_9479
@lionel_9479 4 жыл бұрын
You have to know the rules to break them
@careyroberts3924
@careyroberts3924 4 жыл бұрын
I have just stumbled across this channel and this is the 3rd video I havw atched......I can't believe the quality of the advice on offer and the quality of your presentation.......Awesome stuff.....Blessings to you & Many thanks :-)
@CarnivoreIntelligence
@CarnivoreIntelligence 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, he is awesome :)
@dennisvanderben2719
@dennisvanderben2719 6 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for more! Thanks!
@jasoncastille8369
@jasoncastille8369 5 жыл бұрын
Greetings, I am 52 years old and hold a doctorate in Religion. My sister has a doctorate in Education. As you can imagine, I have spent countless hours being taught. I even helped my sister write rhymes for songs she used to teach math and other subjects. I just want you to know Sir, that you are the absolute best teacher I have had the honor to observe. You are quite possibly the best teacher on the planet. Thank you for what you do to help your fellow man become better.
@soukybird9274
@soukybird9274 5 жыл бұрын
My problem isn’t writing songs I can do this for years, I just run out of words. English is not my first language so I have a problem with metaphors, big words and rhyming words. I will work on this ❤️
@etheriusmoon1809
@etheriusmoon1809 4 жыл бұрын
You dont lyrics to make a great song
@puffpuff5523
@puffpuff5523 3 жыл бұрын
maybe you can mix in your native language in your songs which would be pretty cool and maybe easier for you if you feel like that you’ll be better
@aanniesonia9305
@aanniesonia9305 3 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same issue and to say the truth....I'm just a beginner and am trying to get some help..😶
@soukybird9274
@soukybird9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@etheriusmoon1809 I know but I like word plays in music and I legit can’t think of any 🤣 ty tho for reminding me of that tho I appreciate it x
@soukybird9274
@soukybird9274 3 жыл бұрын
@@puffpuff5523 actually that’s a great idea!!! Tysmmm ❤️x
@warrenhoole7723
@warrenhoole7723 4 жыл бұрын
Man!! That tip on making what comes before the Chorus smaller instead of making the Chorus bigger has just changed everything 😯👌
@Mike_the_Barbarian
@Mike_the_Barbarian 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome content as usual! So many awesome songs have been written with this structure/instruments. I can hear the artists out there going.. but I'm being limited! Good! Infinite possibilities means infinite ways to screw up your song.
@silverplatinum5221
@silverplatinum5221 6 жыл бұрын
I have been looking for a good beginner song writer tutorial for a while, and I finally found one, thank you, this helped a lot!
@sixstringsessions4092
@sixstringsessions4092 6 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this as a fundamentals of pop songwriting. The only thing that I would like to add to what you said throughout the video is that if you have an idea for something a little bit more experimental than this, you should definitely try it out. There are plenty of artists who don't really write songs in this manner. The major caveat to this is that if they're actually consistently good songwriters, I'm sure that they could write a song in this structure laid out by Friedmann here. And that this structure has been the foundation of what is probably the vast majority of pop hits (and a good amount of other genres) since pop hits were a thing. Great video as always though! Seriously, keep up the great work.
@augusto7681
@augusto7681 6 жыл бұрын
Six String Sessions the structure of a song is important to me and I like to be surprised by one unconventional structure. Some songs doesn't work just repeating the chorus it loose power after many repetions.
@sixstringsessions4092
@sixstringsessions4092 6 жыл бұрын
The thing is, it doesn't even have to be complex. Blowin' in the Wind by Bob Dylan is easily one of the best folk songs ever written, and it doesn't have a true chorus. Just a repeated refrain at the end of each verse. But it's perfect in the simple message it's trying to convey. Again, like I said, I really love Friedmann's video and this is no exception; I just want to make sure that new songwriters don't take this very valuable advice and structure and end up throwing out certain ideas because it doesn't fit into this structure. If you wanna break the rules a bit you should - just as long as you understand *why* you're breaking those rules.
@acharich
@acharich 6 жыл бұрын
Examples..? The songs I know that don't follow this are mainly gospel / worship songs..
@Knockedlooser
@Knockedlooser 6 жыл бұрын
Try bands like The Mars Volta, Queens of the Stone Age (they also have a lot of simple song too) or, if you have an open mind on heavier stuff, Mastodon
@augusto7681
@augusto7681 6 жыл бұрын
The musics from the singer Bjork usually are bit diffent. In "undo" is 3x Chorus-verse then outro. In "Pagan Poetry" is verse-chorus-verse-chorus-break-chorus-outro . She always put a gran finale in her composition the Outro part sometimes is bigger than the chorus and she always add variations to lyrics or change instruments after every chorus and verse. (i have others analysis of her songs in my chanel). Adele in "daydreamer" use verse-verse-chorus-verse-bridge-chorus. In progressive rock music is common find different structures too. In "gravidade" by scalene is verse-bridge-verse-bridge-chorus-verse-chorus in other music from the same band "cartão postal" is verse-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-outro.
@gopilotmusic
@gopilotmusic 3 жыл бұрын
So much in such a short time! Thats the way I like...dang...who wants to hear someone go on for over an hour with a message that acn be delivered in a fraction of the time. Thank you! Superhelpful!
@yourguitarsage
@yourguitarsage 6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff AND truth...from Nashville.
@SonicJayy
@SonicJayy 4 жыл бұрын
Wow one of my fevorite online Guitar teacher @YourGuitarSage commented,this video is definitely worth watching ❤️🎸🤟💯
@countessratzass5408
@countessratzass5408 3 жыл бұрын
Truth from Memphis.
@ashleyflores1251
@ashleyflores1251 3 жыл бұрын
@@countessratzass5408 Wow, God bless yall. Repent of your sins. :)
@countessratzass5408
@countessratzass5408 3 жыл бұрын
@@ashleyflores1251 Amen sistah girl. My sins are many.
@ashleyflores1251
@ashleyflores1251 3 жыл бұрын
@@countessratzass5408 Sins are many but Jesus still forgives you. :) He paid the debt of your sins so don't be ashamed but rather rejoice that you are saved if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord. :D
@RoyalFootClan
@RoyalFootClan 4 жыл бұрын
I see the views, I see how many ambitious artists we are out here...Bless!!
@-_-GT350
@-_-GT350 3 жыл бұрын
This helped a lot I was even able to apply some of what you said to rap music which was great , thanks for the help I really appreciate it !
@alecpercy91
@alecpercy91 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you know the guitar KZbinr Paul Davis, but you, your videos and the way you talk all remind me of him. which is definitely a good thing
@dragondrop7777
@dragondrop7777 6 жыл бұрын
It's funny how nay-sayers only want to create art that's "out of the box" but refuse any info on what the box is.
@thomasmalone334
@thomasmalone334 6 жыл бұрын
Verse chorus verse song structure popularized for radio is the box hello
@billybowlegs7293
@billybowlegs7293 6 жыл бұрын
It's funnier that none of these nay-sayers can articulate their own process for writing music. (Mainly because they are poseurs.)
@thomasmalone334
@thomasmalone334 6 жыл бұрын
@@billybowlegs7293 maybe it's better not to have a formulaic process that you can repeat over and over and give to others like an instruction manual and just write and edit based on how you feel and how your thoughts naturally progress and develop
@billybowlegs7293
@billybowlegs7293 6 жыл бұрын
Once you've gone through a few years of music theory and not skipped out on how to count out basic (very basic) rhythms, THEN worry about how you "feel". Learn to crawl and walk BEFORE you run. Do yourself a favor and practice with a metronome. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHvJaWSErt14Z7M@@thomasmalone334
@thomasmalone334
@thomasmalone334 6 жыл бұрын
@@billybowlegs7293 Billy Bowlegs I wasn't talking about knowing music theory, I was talking about song structure, so your comment has little to nothing to do with what I was saying. I know how to do those things but thank you. In response to your comment, all it takes is very basic music theory to write amazing songs on the piano and guitar, a lot of the most popular music in the world is written with just a few chords. It really doesn't take a few years of studying to write a good song. I learned the piano as I wrote the music to songs with lyrics and melodies that I have been writing since I was a kid. I now write play on the piano beautiful chord progressions to songs I wrote before I ever knew what chord progressions were. It doesn't take any special training to create pretty melodies for poetry, all it takes is some time and creativity. What puts me off about these videos and what you're saying is that I just feel like it discourages normal people from songwriting because they feel like they have to meet certain standards to express themselves through lyrics and melody. Writing music and melodies through middle and high school saved me, I wrote a new song everyday without an instrument just with the melodies and thoughts in my head and it made me feel proud I could express myself and make something beautiful out of nothing. If I watched a video like this back then it would have discouraged me. Writing music has no boundaries even if it's not commercially appealing. Most of the people watching these videos probably are not realistically trying to becoming commercial songwriters, they just want to write songs for themselves. I don't like how this guy tells people "Just use this! it is what works" "it's always better" and if they don't use it "they're making things complicated". I wish he clarified this formula is vaguely just what modern pop writers generally do and it's not necessarily the formula to writing worthwhile music. Clarify that people can put their songs together how it sounds best to them, instead of suggesting that fitting their melodies and lyrics to this structure is a must. That is what is not making writing music complicated and difficult for people is to me. I'm not mad, that's just my opinion.
@kalamusicproduction5389
@kalamusicproduction5389 5 жыл бұрын
It's been years I m following you... You are great......
@arcct5504
@arcct5504 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us and the effort you are putting into this, it's highly appreciated!!
@brown-fisher-fryefamilyvid4205
@brown-fisher-fryefamilyvid4205 2 жыл бұрын
You may changed my whole writing world Thank you
@simonconnolly8175
@simonconnolly8175 6 жыл бұрын
"Don't bore us, get to the chorus" they say, seems like a little too long to get there for a pop song I think it's typically better to have the second verse be the 16 bar one but to each his own.
@victorcadavid5761
@victorcadavid5761 4 жыл бұрын
Strightforward. This video goes directly to the point. Zero time wasted. Great work!
@ludlfmusic
@ludlfmusic 6 жыл бұрын
when he says "think of your 10 favourites songs, they're probably not different from this structure" and between those 10 ther're song like vicarious (tool), paranoid android and anesthetize (porcupine tree)
@aceehrmantraut5602
@aceehrmantraut5602 6 жыл бұрын
D128musïc
@tomasoares
@tomasoares 6 жыл бұрын
Anesthetize follows a bit that structure (it's actually 3 songs with that structure with some larger bridges, intros, etc)
@tylerlong337
@tylerlong337 6 жыл бұрын
This video is literally pure gold. Thank you.
@drkstrnd
@drkstrnd 6 жыл бұрын
*Structure of my favourite song?* Intro (Riff) Verse Breakdown Chorus (Riff) Verse 2+3 Bridge Clean Part Chorus ×2 *... I guess*
@Snowness
@Snowness 3 жыл бұрын
I know I'm super late to the party here, but man. This info is still gold. I always find myself struggling to put together elements into an actual structured song, but creating a template is brilliant. Definitely going to be adding this to my template!
@JailanSimon
@JailanSimon 6 жыл бұрын
"this is not a quiz show" 😂 I loved that
@FatherjosephEspita
@FatherjosephEspita Жыл бұрын
This was rally explained so well because u simplified it while adding visuals to help me understand
@TrueGritProductions
@TrueGritProductions 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. I found I am doing most of the things you mention already, but it's good to reinforce an already successful gameplan to stay the course.
@fazegregpaul3152
@fazegregpaul3152 4 жыл бұрын
I listened to an audio book of his and one particular thing that blew me away was his tremendous teaching ability.
@williamronalds5426
@williamronalds5426 6 жыл бұрын
He specifically says that this outline is for beginners to use. I use this in many of my songs just for consistency - the less variables I have to worry about, the more I can focus on the aspects of my writing I want to improve. That is what this outline is for in my opinion, not some holy grail outline this person is trying to force upon you. So to make sardonic comments about the video is kind of useless with that in mind, no?
@Blocktob1
@Blocktob1 4 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best video I have seen yet!
@gersoncruz4570
@gersoncruz4570 6 жыл бұрын
This is golden! The reason why i subscribed in the first place! Keep it up bro
@jjfitnesselevation3352
@jjfitnesselevation3352 3 жыл бұрын
I have been writing songs .... Badly..... for years.... this is great , simple info. Thanks so much! J
@YourFavouriteColor
@YourFavouriteColor 6 жыл бұрын
this structure is not universal. it is a variant of verse chorus form, which is one of many standard forms(strophic, aaba, abac, verse refrain). within verse chorus form, you dont need a bridge necessarily(killing me softly), and in this case, the "late bridge" variant hes describing is not even really a bridge. it is more of a coda. this may not matter colloquially or to listeners but it matters to creators. bridges and codas function differently. the misnomer for the modern "bridge" is common language now, but structurally, it isnt a bridge. bridges "bridge" choruses together. "there must have been some magic in" is a bridge. "dasher and dancer and prancer and vixen" is a verse. "Rudolf the red nosed reindeer" is a chorus. Rudolf goes verse, chorus, chorus, bridge, chorus. "VAABA." modern verse chorus form is a mutation of these old fashioned tin pan alley forms. I digress. but it is important to know this rubric so you understand the fundamentals of form so you're not copying a template without really understanding why it pays off in the first place
@petergust3607
@petergust3607 2 жыл бұрын
These formulas really help. Anyone can find an example of a famous musician who doesn’t use theory or these types of planning structures. But that’s really rare, most people need the visualization before they can actually put writing into practice.
@MandyGriffing
@MandyGriffing 5 жыл бұрын
Video: Think of your 10 favorite songs. Are they any different than this? Me: yes
@newemotionfm
@newemotionfm 5 жыл бұрын
It's definitely a sound starting structure if you have no idea how to arrange. This will definitely create an acceptable flow.
@MrEllipsis423
@MrEllipsis423 5 жыл бұрын
Just found you today... God sent!!! Some of the best info I've receive about making music. Thx a lot.
@lovebomnb
@lovebomnb 5 жыл бұрын
*The structure of my songs are:* Intro Verse Pre Chorus Pos Verse Pre Chorus Pos Brigde Rap verse Break Chorus Outro
@holyrockstar
@holyrockstar 4 жыл бұрын
Music is feeling process...the relevance of this post will make sense in 9 months
@orpheus9282
@orpheus9282 5 жыл бұрын
This is how to write hit songs, not good music. Write what you like even if people hate it.
@louskyv3012
@louskyv3012 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the template!
@TheErow44
@TheErow44 6 жыл бұрын
Great content as always, I feel like your info totally shapes and reinforces the concepts i sort of already know and am working with to make me more conscious of them, for anyone who hasn’t heard of The Addiction Formula, its song writing gold 👌
@RockWeller
@RockWeller 4 жыл бұрын
Great lesson on arrangement! We are a rock band based in Singapore and are currently are arranging our own songs. Thank for the tips!
@joacobosa
@joacobosa 6 жыл бұрын
Your favourite songs🤔 1. Dogs - Pink Floyd 2. Bohemian Rhapsody - queen 3. Roundabout - Yes 4. Pigs - Pink Floyd Do these have the structure? SURE....
@ViniAndradeMusic
@ViniAndradeMusic 6 жыл бұрын
I guess these are not really "POP" songs....... so
@joacobosa
@joacobosa 6 жыл бұрын
@@ViniAndradeMusici mean the title has sufficient click bait lmao
@ViniAndradeMusic
@ViniAndradeMusic 6 жыл бұрын
@@joacobosa The problem with internet free classes is that you'll find a lot of things beginner to intermediate level. So, if you want more advanced things you will not find. =/
@joacobosa
@joacobosa 6 жыл бұрын
@@ViniAndradeMusic that is very true, although i find this vid a little to pushy for modern audiences on what might the result be like. As of a PERSONAL opinion i find that you should learn by the hands of actual popular artists and see why they succeed. Its not the music, that is trash; its how social people are that really makes them popular. I always find that making music is not for myself, it is for the people instead, as if im giving some sort of service.
@feeno1188
@feeno1188 5 жыл бұрын
Those are prog rock songs, what are you talking about?? And yes, they do have a structure. Maybe not a circular one but it is still a structure.
@Xillist
@Xillist 4 жыл бұрын
finally!!! a video that goes straight to the point. thank you boss
@thewedge8823
@thewedge8823 6 жыл бұрын
If I use your template at 1:32, the song's length is only 2 minutes (at 120 BPM) isn't that a little short? if I wanna make a 4 on the floor pop dance song?
@ViniAndradeMusic
@ViniAndradeMusic 6 жыл бұрын
You probably wanna write a song that's slower than 120 BPM. If you write a song in 100 BPM when you duplicate it (count faster) it will result in 200 BPM which is a pretty nice BPM. I'd say around 160 to 220 (duplicated) is a nice speed. You probably wanna write a song around 80 to 110. I don't know how many minutes it will result in this formula though.
@paisleepunk
@paisleepunk 2 ай бұрын
that'd be seconds away from perfect in today's pop environment
@RareTechniques
@RareTechniques 5 жыл бұрын
Best video on songwriting as far as I have come across!
@bacicinvatteneaca
@bacicinvatteneaca 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'll make sure to avoid these steps in order to steer away from all that is pop
@Holistic-songwriting
@Holistic-songwriting 6 жыл бұрын
Thingaloo Great :)
@emmanuelabiodun782
@emmanuelabiodun782 6 жыл бұрын
Lolz
@donparkison4617
@donparkison4617 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty much what Radiohead did after Creep.
@MihaiSorohan
@MihaiSorohan 6 жыл бұрын
Jacob Collier reharmonized songs in exact that structure and he's pretty far from pop. Just saying.
@CesarDainezi
@CesarDainezi 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, you're soooooo undergorund! Can I be your friend?
@AshwinNaik
@AshwinNaik 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing course Thank you!
@apbweezle
@apbweezle 6 жыл бұрын
TIP: Study "stop loving you" by Toto.
@chickenmuffin
@chickenmuffin 4 жыл бұрын
When you said you made a logic template for free to download I literally said “what?!” Out loud because I was so impressed! LOL Amazing.
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