Do we Have Actual Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus? With Gary Habermas

Christianity stands or falls based on the resurrection of Jesus being a real event in history. The Apostle Paul said that if Christ has not been raised, our faith is in vain. But 2,000 years later, do we have actual evidence for this event or is it something Christians simply have to take on faith? Historian and New Testament scholar Dr. Gary Habermas is considered one of the foremost scholars on the resurrection of Jesus and he joins me to talk about the facts surrounding the resurrection that virtually all scholars, from the most liberal to the most conservative, agree on. He shares his “minimal facts” approach, and gives every Christian practical ways to share this evidence with their friends.
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[@hannahdeforest9148]

I love the clarity of the "Minimal Facts." I've read many historical arguments for the resurrection of Christ, but it can be overwhelming and I don't always know which evidences would be helpful to talk about. This is a very clear set that I can easily memorize to present to people in a conversational way, and then recommend Dr. Habermaus as an excellent read. Thank you!

[@vhawk1951kl]

Evidence that cannot be tested in cross-examination or otherwise is not repeat*Not*evidence, which means that there is no " evidence" whatsover of the so-called resurrection; *none*..... at..... all., just as there are no christians;*None*..... at..... all

[@vhawk1951kl]

What does historical arguments mean? That in the past there have been arguments? You are a kinderlander -mercan or american are you not?-You kinderlander are like children, you suppose thee to be magic in words.Historical merely means pertaining to stories about the past- no more than that, and history is not more than any se of related beliefs about the past. There is *No_magic* in words

[@Johnny-mz9ot]

​@@vhawk1951klYou may wish to check out "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus", co-authored by Dr. Habermas and Dr. Mike Licona, which details the minimal facts argument very nicely. The minimal facts approach relies on items that are 1) well evidenced and 2) agreed upon by the vast majority of scholars, skeptics included.

[@Johnny-mz9ot]

Agreed. Dr. Habermas expands on these minimal facts to the umpteenth degree in "On the Resurrection: Evidences", going much more in depth on every fact, with extensive supporting evidence.

[@bootsie280]

Dr. Habermas is the man to go to if you want to factual data about the resurrection! Thank you for having him on! Best regards from Guatemala 🇬🇹!

[@freedominion7369]

Excellent interview, while looking forward to the book's publication 📝 Praise the Lord 🙏✝️

[@frankalbertyap9132]

I do love this conversation! It’s enlightening! Credible! Praise God!

[@melindamercier6811]

Yes! I love Gary Habermas’ work! Thank you for this, the both of you!

[@1Kevingtz3]

Hi Alisa. The women at our church in San Jose, CA are excited to have you this weekend. It will be a blessing for everyone! I am surprised you don’t promote your conferences so more women can attend. Anyways, I know a lot of people are looking forward to meeting you. God bless! 🙏🏼

[@kathleenbelford9730]

Thank you for this wonderful and thought provoking discussion! I will listen to more of your podcasts! I will also check out more of Gary Habermas books/articles!!!

[@jonfeasel8432]

Great interview, so educational, can't wait for next one. God Bless

[@jimfarnell5813]

Anyone without occasional factual and/or emotional doubt is not a thinker… this why God has given us biblical scholars & apologetics… it’s how my house of faith is built confidently on the solid rock of Jesus ✝️☦️✝️

[@JohnCook-om3iq]

A good Early witnesses at age of 90 years with dementia, will he make a good witnesses? According to Mr Gary he would be. This demonstrates that Mr Gary doesn't even know what he is talking about when it comes to reliable facts. Dr Habermas is so against the quality of good evidence and it also demonstrates that his PhD is worthless!

[@vhawk1951kl]

But you have no idea what faith is. Five gives me five billion, you suppose faith to be a species of belief and could not be more wrong, but you can no more understand that than a dog can, can you? When you speak of the bible what exactly do you mean? Doyou not understand that bible is merely another word for book? - ou can no more understand that than a dog can, can you?

[@vhawk1951kl]

You can't even *lie* well, can you titch? You are just whistling in the dark and dream you get points for saying what you know for a certaintyare t not true-you dream you can kid your way into heaven or let us just say you do nothing bur dream and chant meaningless mantras, that even*you*know are utterly meaningless; sll that god/jesus bull being nothing but imagination. Hoping-like believing is just*more* dreaming. the message of christ was to try to show you some way *out* of all that lying snd dreaming, but you litle lying dreamer have*absolutely_no idea what he was trying to teach and have such contempt for his way that you think he was a worthless lying dreamer like you, but of course you have no way of knowing whether any such man ever xisted; your *real* faith or reliance is upon lying and dreaming and mouthing empty words, rather than make a sincere effort to find aomething true in yourself which oes not exist; truth starts with being truthfl with yourself and thowing away you reiance on lying nd dreaming and what are no oe than empty words, that don't even fool *you*.

[@jimsimpson9410]

Alisa, you have such great guest. Thank you!

[@darrenmiller6927]

Wonderful guest, great interview. Much to learn here, fascinating.

[@valeriemckay7064]

So good .. going to check out the web site. Thank-you both!

[@KathyakaNina]

Hearing this podcast, wow this conversation is very interesting and something I will keep it my when I speak to people that are atheist. God bless you both

[@billhobson6637]

Great video! I love his approach!

[@am.richardson3404]

Amazing content, thank you so much for sharing!

[@audiotomb]

Alisa Love this topic. And the early creeds. Glad yoj broght Dr Habernaus to us laymen Could you please do a contrast on the various end member reviews on the timing of Revelation 1st century, through the ages, futurist (pre/mid/post rapture, and idealists

[@jenniferhenn7874]

I thought I wouldn't be too interested in this. I was wrong, great episode.

[@stuartfear2205]

Dr. Habermas' book, "The Case for the Resurrection of Christ", is very accessible, a true page turner from cover to cover. It will confirm your faith and convince some skeptics.

[@monkkeygawd]

The ONLY way to truly believe in the resurrection would be to really, really WANT to believe in the resurrection. It defies all reason, and, honestly, would be a TERRIBLE truth even if it WERE true. God becoming flesh simply to come down and purposefully have himself killed so that he could THEN AND ONLY THEN forgive humans for the way he created them (and knew they would act), is horrifying. The resurrection is rather bizarre if taken literally. But, if it makes someone motivated to be a good, loving, giving person by believing in a dying rising God, then that's awesome. Honestly, it's all ok until Christians (or any religion) start trying to guilt non-christians into converting--->THEN it becomes rather gross. And, typically, because of that unlikely resurrection belief, Christians also believe ALL must be preached to/converted or else burn in Hell. So, Christians go battle to convert people via shame, guilt, etc, such as in India. India has a RICH beautiful spiritual history FAR more sophisticated than the Abrahamic religions. My personal philosophy is in line with Advaita Vedanta, but I wouldn't dream of trying to convert or guilt anyone into believing the same. I wish you all the best, but the resurrection is a LEAP-OF-FAITH belief and is IN NO WAY a reasonable historic or scientific fact.

[@Uncle_Jacob]

@@monkkeygawd then we can agree to disagree.

[@monkkeygawd]

@@Uncle_Jacob it's a matter of reason based thinking vs want/wishful thinking. Because, the evidence against the Biblical worldview is conclusive.

[@Uncle_Jacob]

@@monkkeygawd what is some of your "conclusive" evidence against it.

[@monkkeygawd]

@@Uncle_Jacob aside from the whole premise being outrageous and copied from previously unbelievable concepts? Christianity is a Jewish version of the highly prevalent "Mystery Religions." And, plus, no eye witnesses to Jesus wrote or even dictated anything we have. Paul predates the gospels (Mark being the 1st Gospel) and Paul doesn't mention anything about Jesus parables, etc. Very fishy. And the other 3 gospels just copied, redacted, extrapolated and added to Mark. This is fact, not wild speculation. I'm NOT an atheist, but the Christian version of "god" is way off the mark.

[@abullard8409]

Great content. Thank you

[@RainbowMan.]

Beautiful!! 😍

[@Colbychristie]

Thank you for this content God bless!

[@wordscrafter]

This is fascinating!

[@danielkempton9659]

All really good. My best part, unbelief due to possible moral restraints... It's true, they don't want to believe.

[@ahskincare3150]

I know Christ rose from the dead.❤️✝️❤️🙏

[@maxinecashel1248]

Great learning

[@danvan2683]

When I realized time was actually a physical catagory that changed my thinking on a lot of stuff, I don't understand it but I doubt most people have considered what it would mean in a few theological directions.

[@vhawk1951kl]

What the is "ime was actually a physical catagory(sic)-(but try category-not that it matters in the least(supposed to mean? You have absolutely_ no* it idea what time was actually a physical catagory(sic) means , have you? Time is merely the word for a participle experience, so don't bother your woolly little head with"Time was actually a physical catagories(sic) Time in itself does not exist Time itself, no being can either understand by reason or sense by any outer or inner being-function. It cannot even be sensed by any gradation of instinct which arises and is present in every more or less independent cosmic concentration. “It is possible to judge Time only if one compares real cosmic phenomena which proceed in the same place and under the same conditions, where Time is being constated and considered. You just keep it simple and ask yourself "How to *I* e-x-p-e-r-i-e-n-c-e time or what am I *c-a-l-l-i-n-g* time"? There you see?-That is not so very difficult or complicated is it? You are your_own* expert on what you experience are you not?You don't need anyone_else* to tell you what you-and*only* you are experiencing , now do you? Don't get hung up on the words- stick with what you actually e-x-p-e-r-i-e-n-c-e, not what you *call* what you experience

[@sumyunguy6894]

Thank you for this

[@Jesusandmentalhealth]

Thanks for this!!

[@g.h_-heart-_bunny]

This was great to listen to ^•^

[@tracykarol]

Great info! I thought The Shroud had been discredited or was just a Catholic thing. Will look into all more.

[@fbcpraise]

I am not Catholic and i can tell you, it’s amazing! God so seldom provides this sort of evidence… the Shroud is like a smoking gun hidden in plain sight.

[@fbcpraise]

That was great! I did not know he had done work on the shroud. I am not Catholic and have no interest in the various relics; but i think the Shroud of Turin is a celestial “gimme,” a jackpot for doubters who care to see!

[@RaptureReadyPam]

Very helpful

[@christamathias233]

Wonderful conversation to listen to while also reading through I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist! Thank you so much for sharing/putting this type of info and research out.

[@christamathias233]

@Sven Andersson The Pharisees had no body to parade through the streets. They even concocted a lie in advance - that his body was stolen - in case his body should disappear. Would his disciples still believe in Jesus if they had in their possession his dead & decaying body that was supposed to be their hope? There was no body to steal. If there was, why not disprove Jesus's claims? Why not just put Jesus's dead body on display. When Jesus rose, his risen body rose to. When he showed himself to Thomas, had him stick his fingers in his side, and ate with his disciples he proved that he was not a ghost. He was fully God and fully man. He wasn't spirit only and he wasn't just a moral human teacher.

[@christamathias233]

@Sven Andersson Besides the Bible, there are historical documents outside of Christianity that round out the resurrection story even more. The empty tomb caused such a stink in the Jewish community that a very serious law by the ruling authorities (Rome) was instituted around the same time and severely punished anyone found disturbing a grave (Archeological evidence - not to mention the non-Christian Jewish story passed down through the ages that Jesus's body was stolen). Several non-Christian historical figures are mentioned in the Scriptures surrounding the crucifixion & resurrection story. If it was all a lie, why didn't they dispute the role they played in the story or punished those who mentioned them by name (like having your name plastered all over the tabloids)? Why didn't they save face? Supposedly, Jesus also appeared to 500 people after his resurrection. If that wasn't true, why didn't people throw a stink when the earliest Gospels were being written (many were still alive around the same time)? There were plenty of folks around to dispute the resurrection if it wasn't true. Why were the disciples willing to die for something if they knew it was a lie? Frankly, they were willing to abandon Jesus when he was arrested, save their own skins. Something huge obviously took place to strengthen their resolve in the faith they professed. They saw the risen Lord. I like Habermas's analogy - How do we know George Washington was the first president? We read. Read what? History. What type of history? Reliable historical texts, plural. The earlier, the better. Too bad we don't have a physical Jesus walking around to just speak for himself, but then what would be the point of any of this?

[@vhawk1951kl]

Would you describe yourself as a bigot? You have to look up bigot do you not?

[@christamathias233]

@@vhawk1951kl Greetings. Could you please explain what you mean by your statement? I don't understand the context of your comment in relation to my comment on Alisa's interview with Habermas.

[@christamathias233]

​@vhawk1951kl I've noticed that you have left several responses to others' comments about this interview. Do you actually want to engage in conversation or do you just want to be heard?

[@goor1322]

About your story at the end concerning the individual who didn't want Christianity to be true. I might respond saying that what we want is irrelevant. Is it true? That's what is relevant. That response might not win people over, but for those that don't care about what's true in reality it wouldn't matter anyway so...

[@supersevenhead]

I've seen Habermas a bunch of times on the Ankerberg show.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

There was no Resurrection if Jesus is God since God cannot die. "I and my father are one." Gary is a faith based follower of the Jesus cult. He read a story and believed it was true.

[@stellarjayatkins4749]

@@JamesRichardWiley a common miss interpretation of the text. And a commonly exploited weakness of the Catholic trinitarian concept that isn’t based in scripture.

[@MrCaribKaraoke]

22:20 Minimal facts start here

[@zaragosaolgajane3922]

Blessed are those who believed without doubts of the resurrection of Christ.

[@RobertHallKoC3]

That's not what it says

[@somerandom3247]

You spelt "gullible" wrong.

[@monkkeygawd]

The ONLY way to truly believe in the resurrection would be to really, really WANT to believe in the resurrection. It defies all reason, and, honestly, would be a TERRIBLE truth even if it WERE true. God becoming flesh simply to come down and purposefully have himself killed so that he could THEN AND ONLY THEN forgive humans for the way he created them (and knew they would act), is horrifying. The resurrection is rather bizarre if taken literally. But, if it makes someone motivated to be a good, loving, giving person by believing in a dying rising God, then that's awesome. Honestly, it's all ok until Christians (or any religion) start trying to guilt non-christians into converting--->THEN it becomes rather gross. And, typically, because of that unlikely resurrection belief, Christians also believe ALL must be preached to/converted or else burn in Hell. So, Christians go battle to convert people via shame, guilt, etc, such as in India. India has a RICH beautiful spiritual history FAR more sophisticated than the Abrahamic religions. My personal philosophy is in line with Advaita Vedanta, but I wouldn't dream of trying to convert or guilt anyone into believing the same. I wish you all the best, but the resurrection is a LEAP-OF-FAITH belief and is IN NO WAY a reasonable historic or scientific fact.

[@joshwolfe3630]

@@monkkeygawd so if you knew someone had cancer, and you had the cure, you would just let them go on with their lives and die? Or would you give them the cure? Out of love and compassion you would desperately want them to take the cure! BUT before they would take the cure, they would have to be convinced that they have the cancer first! The bible says in Romans 6:23, “for the wages of sin is death, (God is paying us in death for our sin, just as a judge looks at a criminal in court who raped and killed 3 woman, the judge says, “your being sent to the electric chair”) but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our lord”. God never intended for this to happen, but he knew we would turn our back on him, that didn’t stop him from loving us any less because we are his children, just as a earthly father looks at his son! Except Gods love is perfect without flaw, while we are flawed because sin has corrupted us. And that brings us back to John 3:16, “for God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Sin is the cancer we brought into this world through our own free will, Jesus Christ is the cure. He said in John 14:6, “I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.” Only through him living a perfect sinless life and shedding his blood on the cross, taking the very wrath and punishment from God that we deserved so that we might be reconciled with God! That is why he said in John 19:30, “it is finished”. The 10 commandments are called the moral law, (which are written on your heart, that is why you feel shameful and guilty) You and I broke Gods law, Jesus payed the fine, which is legal, right, and just. It’s not a matter of I’m right your wrong, I’m going to slap you with all these things so you feel horrible about yourself, it’s simply trying to show you, you have cancer which is sin that leads to death, and Jesus is the cure that leads to eternal life! And the resurrection was him defeating death, defeating the very grip sin had on us!

[@monkkeygawd]

@@joshwolfe3630 nope, nope and no. Humans are NOT born "sunners," we are born human. Christianity degrades humanity by preaching original sin, etc. You and Christianity live inside a "dualistic" worldview... reality, however, is NOBDUAL, meaning the Mind of God is all that exists. We are thoughts in God's Mind. The universe exists INSIDE of Consciousness/God's Mind. Only God has will. Not us. We are only dissociated perspectives of the One Mind of God. No sin. No evil. Just God playing our the roles of imagination... God's imagination. Look up Advaita Vedanta. Christianity is a false, VERY FALSE, barbaric and archaic philosophy. It thrives on people's guilt. Be happy! Be alive! Just persist and exist! You will do what God wants, because God is acting as YOU.

[@dalex60]

Absolutly nothing proves Jesus' diviity, miracles or resurrection...

[@bootsie280]

Lol, said the idiot who have zero qualifications to speak on this matters…otherwise you would be giving lectures.

[@vhawk1951kl]

"diviity"(sic) being a typo?

[@vhawk1951kl]

Let me know the next time " we" have an headache

[@andrewschafer8986]

When will habermas either go on Rogan or debate Bart?

[@Stringbean777]

I love your content. However I am wondering why your logo looks like an upside down broken cross?

[@oursavior7155]

Now there's an interesting idea. I thought--with all those lines--it looked like an electric guitar and harked back to her days as a traveling singer. Perception can really be different for different people.

[@wanttopreach]

In the 16th year of Tiberius in the 5th month and the 29th day (april 15, 27 AD) Yashua of Natsurat (Jesus of Nazerith) was tried and convicted of treason, sedition and rebellion then crusified. Twelve days later his body was reported as missing. This is a record from the roman empire In our Bible it says third day He was resurrected, However we are talking about government efficiency, It took 9 days for the information to get recorded due to people tasked with stopping the body thieft not wanting to claim responsibility for it. The family of Pontius Pilot had to much political clout in Rome so the Emperor Tiberius asked why he crucified a man who never formented insurrection, Then he screamed at Pilot this is why you had three legions, then had him deported to what is now Cordoba, Spain where was summarily tried for sedition against the Roman Government and treason, then executed.

[@Gbaby204]

You're so pretty, Alissa!!!! ❤️

[@Ttcopp12rt]

The Resurrection is indeed important, but I think we tend to inadvertently undermine the significance of the crucifixion, which I believe has equally value. There are two good reasons for maintaining the mention of both events when talking to non-Christians: (1). The historicity of the crucifixion lends support to the historicity of the Resurrection. The events are directly associated with each other. The fact that 99.9% of scholars in fields of ancient history and early Christianity agree that all available data concurs with the Gospel account of Jesus being crucified gives weight to the Gospel narrative. Thus, we have good reason to believe the Resurrection account in the same Gospels is likewise historical event. (2). By mentioning the crucifixion along with the Resurrection - it disproves Islam in addition to debunking skeptics who argue against the Resurrection. In order words - you k*ll two birds with one stone.

[@melindamercier6811]

The cross and the resurrection are indeed essentials, but there is significantly less scholarly argument over Christ’s crucifixion than there is the resurrection. So although the two work hand in hand, the evidence for the resurrection is the one that is easily dismissed and argued as there is no way around agreeing it happened other than claiming it is indeed a miracle. That word is taboo in secular circles. And as Paul states in 1 Corinthians 15, “if Christ’s resurrection didn’t happen, our faith is in vain”. It’s futile. I believe he stated this not only because to deny the crucifixion was completely senseless back then, but because the Lord knew which of the two incidents would be highly debated, even among those who claim to be Christians. So far as I can tell, the only hard-lined deniers of the cross are muslims and those who refuse to accept the obvious historical evidence. I don’t know of many well-respected religious or secular scholars that outright deny His crucifixion. As for the importance of reaching others with gospel, yes, they absolutely must he together. But you will ALWAYS have to argue the hard facts with non-believers. Heck, some of them still think Jesus didn’t even exist and that’s foundational to the gospels lol.

[@Scribeintheink]

The crucifixion isn’t debated. The crucifixion doesn’t matter if the resurrection isn’t true

[@Ttcopp12rt]

@@Scribeintheink Sorry, but the crucifixion is debated twice as much as the Resurrection. You probably aren't familiar with Islam, but there are wayyy more debates on the crucifixion between Christians and Muslims then there are on the Resurrection between Christians and Atheists. Thus, might point is not to undermine one group more than the other, but to show that we should explicate the significance of both, equally, and in doing so - we debunk both Muslims and Atheists in one go.

[@Ttcopp12rt]

@@Scribeintheink By the way, your epistemology is totally BACKWARDS (if your goal is to reach the lost [case I'm point])...What Paul says IS true only as long as one accepts what Paul's says. Unfortunately, Muslim DONT accept what Paul says. Therefore, in consideration of THIS fact, the Resurrection is 100% irrelevant if they don't believe Jesus was actually crucified to begin with...See my point???

[@Scribeintheink]

@@Ttcopp12rt that’s blatantly false. Even without the words of the historians i can be logical and come to the conclusion that no person in their right mind would debate one of thousands of common crucifixions more than one of them literally raising from the dead. As Habermas said, you can count all the scholars who debate the crucifixion on one hand. Your opinion doesn’t matter. Thats the facts. Be smart. Read books

[@FelixFortunaRex]

Josephus tells story of his friends being crucified and he asks for body’s to be taken down and one of them lives and imagine story of this guy telling his family and other friends to touch my wounds to see if true. Odd but true. Not that Jesus survived but story of after crucified appearance of specific touch my wounds stories

[@morlewen7218]

I remember the interview between Habermas and Pinecreek where Habermas debunked his own minimal facts approach to claims like the resurrection.

[@Qwerty-lp1fz]

Habermas bloviation was on another level

[@bernadettematera-stacey1982]

Sorry, just a question about Matthew please: Wasn't Matthew the disciple an eyewitness ? Why do scholars say he drew from Mark?

[@cheerfulmouse]

Mark was written first, and the language is very similar. That's my very novice explanation.

[@vhawk1951kl]

There is no testable evidence on the matter one way or another . Your childlike faith in what you imagine to be scholars is touching and typical of the kinderlander. One opinion is as good as another whether it be the opinion of one claiming to be a scholar or otherwise.There is simply *no_way* that anyone scholar or not can tell who was or was not an eye witness at this remove and in any event a dead man is not a wetness because anyone that cannot be cross-examined is not a witness, accordingly there is absolutely_no*evidence whatsoever of the sc-called resurrection which is physically impossible and thus could not have taken place, but wethere it took place or not is utterly irrelevant to the efficacy of whatever way jese wa tring to teach, because nothing that took place *after* his death could be relevant to his way, the precise details of which must forever remain a complete mystery. No-one seems to have any idea at all of what his way or method or teaching consisted-there is certainly nothing in the jesussey about it, and those self-deceivers that delude themselves into supposing that they even(might* be able to be able to be christians obvious have no idea , it being unlikely they could tell their arse from their elbow, they supposing -wildly mistakenly that the way of jesus had anything whatsoever with believing anything or the god fantasy. Plainly there is no way of living Christ's precepts if there is no way of discovering what they were, but it is academic given that the man is dead and his tradition completely extinct. In practical yerms christianity is a dead religion exactly as Latin is a dead language.

[@vhawk1951kl]

There are no circumstances under which there can be evidence of the impossible whether the impossibility be is experiential definitional or conceptual(unless you can think of any other categories of impossibility) Suffice to say that it is axiomatic that there can be no circumstances whatsover under which there can be evidence of the impossible.

[@dennismaher9533]

we will be judged by our words............GREAT WORDS

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@vhawk1951kl]

"We" being you and which specific identifiable interlocutor? Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@tomhitchcock8195]

Why didn’t Paul have that shroud when debating the Greeks. Because Jesus said even if one came from hell and testified no one would believe. If one believes the prophets and Moses they will believe the word of Jesus. It’s a Spirit thing.

[@vhawk1951kl]

You can put any words you like into a dead man, particularly if you are translating hearsay, for example; jesus said " a woman is only a woman, but ab good cigar is a smoke."

[@TakingNotesTalkingGrace]

Oh I thought this was a live presentation but it isn’t. It is an upload. Oh well.

[@mr.andmrs.adorable2033]

They clipped an item, you're right! I thought it was live, too

[@ShaneSmith-wf2cn]

@@mr.andmrs.adorable2033 what item did they clip?

[@mr.andmrs.adorable2033]

@@ShaneSmith-wf2cn It was about 15 mins in, and a part where Alisa was speaking was edited out, almost in mid-sentence. It was very obvious. I'm sorry I don't have a time stamp. It could've been a little further in than 15 mins

[@colski3333]

Eventually it’s not solely what you think or believe. There is more to us than that. That’s why Jesus NEVER wrote anything. He was a walking heart. I resurrected with his help (there is no way around it ) and now with many more who returned to direct connection to love of God. The kingdom is in us. When you find it all written work is secondary as unspeakable love takes over. Like this man. 20 books on resurrection but he himself is just a scholar of it, observing it, but it obviously did not happen to him yet. It’s not what you known but what you apply. 🕊

[@HJM0409]

Except Jesus himself is The Word, and The Truth. Never called the heart…. Think about it. The battle for the soul of man is in the mind. 🥰

[@betrion7]

Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” Luke 17:20‭-‬21 NET tn This is a far better translation than “in you.” Jesus would never tell the hostile Pharisees that the kingdom was inside them. The reference is to Jesus present in their midst. He brings the kingdom. Another possible translation would be “in your grasp.” For further discussion and options, see D. L. Bock, Luke (BECNT), 2:1414-19.

[@robertdouglas8895]

"Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment." Jesus Christ Jesus didn't think phenomena is what is real. It's not the senses that give us truth but the Christ mind. May we each follow in the Way and be reborn. resurrected.

[@vhawk1951kl]

You can out any words you like into the mouth of a dead man, and tell a kinderlander any old lie and the poor fool will believe you; they-mercans/Americans are not called the kinderlander for nothing.

[@vhawk1951kl]

You just makes theses things up, don't you?You know you can put any words you like into the mouth of a dead man andd and have no compunction about do that m, do you titch?

[@exploittheworld]

The spirit that dwells in us is the proof, for if there was not, then what do we have but words of others.

[@robertdouglas8895]

Yes, and the Holy Spirit doesn't confirm or deny what happens in the world but what is true in the Kingdom within.

[@VaughanMcCue]

Does that apply to anyone who claims they have the spirit? Mormon, JW, et al might say the same thing.

[@exploittheworld]

@@VaughanMcCue we must ask: what is spirit? We know that God is a spirit, and spirit as explained by Jesus is: “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” God's word is spirit. The truth and the life regardless from which mouth it comes from. Jesus brought his word to us, thus both God and Jesus live. This isn't to say one denomination is right or wrong, but that the Bible which all use, is the same, not the interpretation, but the actual words themselves. So when ever anyone speaks these words then we hear not the individual, but God speaking to us. His word is eternal. So God's word is this proof, which came from Jesus as shown to him by the Father. In truth the word doesn't have to dwell in us to give this proof, I however used "dwelling" to emphasize those who believe in jesus and his gospel. Did that help to answer your question?

[@exploittheworld]

@@VaughanMcCue I will add this... I believe their is not necessarily one specific "church" or " denomination" that is a true reflection of God's kingdom or his way of life, but that there are individuals all over the world, who are closest to his truth and way. Some may not belong to any church at all and others may, but as to who they are, only God knows. In order for God's spirit to truly dwell in us, we must hear the gospel of Jesus and believe in him who sent him, and that he is the son of God, thus we are then baptized by his spirit. There is no need of water, which many believe, and we must also make an honest and diligent effort to repent our sins, turn from the ways of the world and be born again. If this is done honesty and sincerely, then regardless of denomination, God's gift is the holy ghost. But not all who claim to be Christian or do this will have this gift forever, we can lose this gift as well "For many are called, but only few are chosen".

[@vhawk1951kl]

If only you had some slight idea what you mean by " spirit", but you are about to demonstrate that you have not the faintest idea what you mean by" spirit", because you are entirely innocent of any sort of wits and learning are you not?

[@asifmuniruniverse7732]

I don't know what they saying about me and what do you having doubt own me I don't Care

[@andrewschafer8986]

6mins in and who would have guessed 400 pages off the top having nothing to do with actual evidence for the resurrection. Hmm. “I’ve never done this before” “ All new material” lol

[@jonwa72]

The only thing I would take umbrage with in this conversation is the notion that to have a crisis of faith at 16 doesn't count, as per Dr. Habbermas. I get 100 percent where he is coming from with that thought process though and can agree "in principle" I suppose. I mean, at 16 no one has their life straight and things remotely figured out. We were all "stupid as teenagers" even the smartest among us...that's half of what being a teenager is. However I would never discount anyone who had declared or intimated they were having a crisis of faith or believing in the Truth at any age. A crisis of faith or potential deconversion moment is a real thing/issue for that individual no matter the persons age, maturity or mental accuity. Such a "problem" for someone is as legitimat and relevant at 16 as it is at 61. All the same, love ya and keep up the great work Gary and Alissa.

[@mawrawmiller561]

@25min Jesus died by...giving up His spirit

[@berglen100]

Flesh and blood has always looked outside themself and looks and waits is milk, read some meat Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. You can't seen it is classic blindness looking outside.

[@robertdouglas8895]

"Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment." Jesus Christ Jesus didn't think phenomena is what is real. It's not the senses that give us truth but the Christ mind, the kingdom within. May we each follow in the Way and be reborn. resurrected into the kingdom leaving the world behind.

[@betrion7]

Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.” Luke 17:20‭-‬21 NET tn This is a far better translation than “in you.” Jesus would never tell the hostile Pharisees that the kingdom was inside them. The reference is to Jesus present in their midst. He brings the kingdom. Another possible translation would be “in your grasp.” For further discussion and options, see D. L. Bock, Luke (BECNT), 2:1414-19.

[@step34522]

Unfortunately it is not flag football real war There are scape goats in the Tabernacle If you’re eating meat

[@vhawk1951kl]

Scapegoat, one word titch, not that it matters in the lest.

[@andrewschafer8986]

1300 pages of what lol. Most books are full of fluff. I doubt this new book will be any different.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

A book can have some true facts and some false stories. The true facts don't make the other things automatically true. Someone can make a list of 10 items with 9 verifiable facts and 10th item being: An Invisible Pink Unicorn lives in my basement. The fact that the first nine statements are verifiable and true has no impact on the veracity of the 10th. Same thing: the 6 minimal facts have no impact on the veracity of the Resurrection claim. That claim must be proved independently.

[@rageofheaven]

The cornerstone of christianity is faith. Faith is useful when one doesn't care or want to know if beliefs comport to reality, like firing a gun in the air and assuming the bullets wont hit anyone.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Lok who got a new word for his birthday but has no idea what it means; " comport" is not the word you need titch, try something else Faith has *fuck_nothing* to do with belief but is rather its exact opposite, but then you have no better idea what faith is than you have what comport means, and have made that more than clear.

[@rageofheaven]

@@vhawk1951kl Your broken, angry English doesn't impress me. I hope I made that clear.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@rageofheaven You are kinderlander are you not?

[@rageofheaven]

@@vhawk1951kl A what?

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@rageofheaven porcupine

[@fbcpraise]

It amazes me how many atheists have the time to hang out at Christian channels, wringing their hands or looking for a fight. Don’t you people have somewhere to be?

[@bootsie280]

Absolutely right! Those people are certified good for nothing trolls! They think they can decimate true faith in God by speaking nonsense lies.

[@vhawk1951kl]

why do you suppose or imagine that Christianity has anything to do with the god fantasy?Adverting to the god fntasy is not a sine qua non of whatever way brought by jesus christ who never used the word "god in his life, because Jews are forbidden from using to word god thus Christianity is not necessarily a goddists way or method

[@fbcpraise]

@@vhawk1951kl wow. I wonder what you’re reading. Jews are not forbidden from using the word “God,” they very much avoid using God’s NAME. ONE OF THE 10 Commandments is about that. Jesus most definitely used the word, but used Father more often. And here we are, another atheist hanging out at a Christian site throwing rocks. Don’t you have something constructive to do?

[@vhawk1951kl]

why do you imagine that the god fantasy has anything to do with the teaching of a man that never used the word god in his life? Jews being forbidden from using the word god for obvious reasons.

[@fbcpraise]

@@vhawk1951kl who told you Jews are forbidden to use the word “God?”

[@Slax15]

Is there a bit of evidence that pushes people to faith? Jesus had the same problem and more evidence didnt help. We walk in spirit and faith. It is the spirit in us that is the evidence. In the end no one will be able to deny that they didnt know.

[@Dannydreadlord]

I guess according to the 2 people in this video, that resurrection is a FACT. I guess me not being an English speaker understand the word FACT differently but I would like to see what do the Critics think about these statements?. Its a shame to see people with relatively good intellectual capacities use language in such a deceptive manner to write books.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@Dannydreadlord]

@@vhawk1951kl I appreciate you taking your time out to write this comment. Hopefully the Xtians will someday give a straight answer but who am I to judge the ELECTS.

[@vhawk1951kl]

What could or even might constitute " evidence of the resurrection which lie was insinuated long after the death of thhe man. Be very clear that hearsay is not evidence , because evidence that cannot be tested it is worthless and worthless evidence is not evidence There can *Never* be evidence of the impossible, thus there can be no evidence that jesus stood on his own shoulders. There is no difference between saying that jesus rose from the dead and saying jesus stood on his own shoulder; both are equally impossible and there cannot *Ever* be evidence of the impossible.

[@TimothyFish]

"You have to ask why radiation is coming from a dead body." That's a very good question. Since we are pretty sure that radiation doesn't come from a dead body, then why should we think that it came from Jesus? We have several examples of people rising from the dead in the Bible and none of them talk about there being something that appears to be radiation. So, this radiation probably has nothing to do with a dead body or resurrection.

[@fbcpraise]

Umm… you can’t see UVA or UVB radiation. You walk around in it every day. Just like it scorched the cloth, it will burn you if you spend too much time in the sun.

[@TimothyFish]

@@fbcpraise, right, but we have evidence that radiation comes from the sun. We don't have evidence of radiation coming from dead bodies. If we have evidence of radiation in this instance, a more logical assumption is that it was laying in the sun, or maybe in an x-ray machine than we do that it was over a body that resurrected.

[@fbcpraise]

@@TimothyFish yeah, your presuppositions are showing. Those possibilities you mention have been eliminated by teams of scientists. If you want to have an impact on us less-intelligent, deluded Christians, you should educate yourself on the shroud. That’s my last word. Have yours.

[@TimothyFish]

@@fbcpraise, it's interesting that you appeal to science when you find it convenient, but you completely ignore science when you want to say that the radiation came from a resurrection. The point is, when you know that you are dealing with radiation, you should go look at known sources of radiation, not go invent some idea that has never been shown to involve radiation.

[@fbcpraise]

@@TimothyFish have a good day!

[@jimfarnell5813]

If God is objectively the greatest intellect then the Bible & Christianity are objectively, intellectually defensible… remember, evidence beyond a REASONABLE doubt will dispatch a convicted criminal to the death house… this, in no way, supplants faith but rather forms that solid rock foundation for the house that is our faith, withstanding the great storms of life… Matthew 7:24-27…

[@vhawk1951kl]

Are you a blood Jew or a religious Jew and what do you mean by bible? You have*Absolutely_No*idea what you mean by faith do you? five gives me five billion that you are so thick that you suppose faith to be a species of belief , because you Elsies - the Lower Classes have *absolutely_ no* idea that there is any difference between faith and belief, have you Elsie?

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public. You merely illustrate the endangers of idolatry and why Moses forbade it; you make god as petty and trivial as you are. The idea of god you may have but the idea that you could possibly apprehend anything of god you may not, and*that is why idolatry is forbidden, and difficult to cure; it being a mater of wits.

[@monkkeygawd]

The ONLY way to truly believe in the resurrection would be to really, really WANT to believe in the resurrection. It defies all reason, and, honestly, would be a TERRIBLE truth even if it WERE true. God becoming flesh simply to come down and purposefully have himself killed so that he could THEN AND ONLY THEN forgive humans for the way he created them (and knew they would act), is horrifying. The resurrection is rather bizarre if taken literally. But, if it makes someone motivated to be a good, loving, giving person by believing in a dying rising God, then that's awesome. Honestly, it's all ok until Christians (or any religion) start trying to guilt non-christians into converting--->THEN it becomes rather gross. And, typically, because of that unlikely resurrection belief, Christians also believe ALL must be preached to/converted or else burn in Hell. So, Christians go battle to convert people via shame, guilt, etc, such as in India. India has a RICH beautiful spiritual history FAR more sophisticated than the Abrahamic religions. My personal philosophy is in line with Advaita Vedanta, but I wouldn't dream of trying to convert or guilt anyone into believing the same. I wish you all the best, but the resurrection is a LEAP-OF-FAITH belief and is IN NO WAY a reasonable historic or scientific fact.

[@student99bg]

Just like I thought atheists are atheists not because they care about evidence and logic but because they don't want Christianity to be true and then work backwards from their conclusion. If you watch the video you will see evidence that Jesus was bodily resurected from the dead. That's a fact. You don't like that fact but facts don't care about your feelings.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@monkkeygawd]

@@vhawk1951kl I may be a slutty, skank-fest of BOLD LETTERS, but I notice you didn't address ANYTHING I said, but simply how I said it. That says a lot.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@monkkeygawd]

@vhawk1951kl "Another reason why the Bible repeats itself, is given by Ralph Davis: “Repetition is the way the Bible writers indicate bold print or upper-case letters or exclamation marks.” Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good, for his steadfast love endures forever!" Even the Bible uses bold letters.

[@robertlight5227]

Do you have any physical evidence for a Jesus?

[@bootsie280]

Are you…dumb or dumber!??

[@vhawk1951kl]

Wht in your view could constitute what you call "physical evidence for a Jesus"?

[@robertlight5227]

@@vhawk1951kl Let's start with a body. What real evidence do u have? Text claims are not enough.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@robertlight5227 At several thousand years'remove neither I nor anyone could have a any evidence of anything pertaining to past events what the fcuk has"a body" got to do with anything? I make no claims I am merely teaching what can and cannot constitute evidence, but not to those that, like you, are clearly innocent of wits and learning, because they can learn nothing.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@robertlight5227 hmm, grins, no-one is *ever* going to accuse *you* of being a heavyweight intellectual titch

[@malp292]

The Resurrection accounts mentioned in the 4 Gospels contradict each other's details of the story so much that anyone who believes that it's a real event that took place is either downright foolish, or they have failed to read them.

[@oursavior7155]

Actually, the fact that they seem to contradict each other tends to be proof of their veracity. Any trained detective will tell you that when different people all report an incident the same way, it sounds contrived.

[@malp292]

@@oursavior7155 So that means there could have been 4 different people in the likes of Jesus right? Is that what you suggest? Because not just the Resurrection account, the 4 Gospels in their entirety contradicts each other to the point where even a child who reads them would understand what I mean. To me the Gospels are not picture portraits depicting the life of Jesus. They are sketches about Jesus drawn by 4 different Authors ( could be even more than 4) who lived decades after Jesus life on earth ended.

[@vhawk1951kl]

in what exact particulars do -and I quote "the 4 Gospels contradict each other's details"oh swaggering mouse(nothing and nobody)? You have not the faintest idea? *That* you are about to demonstrate.

[@JohnSpencer90]

I strongly disagree with the idea that Christianity's validity hinges solely on the reality of Jesus' resurrection. I believe it's more accurate to assess Christianity's foundation on whether there's credible evidence supporting the notion of a man being a God. The Bible records several instances of resurrection beyond Jesus, including Lazarus, Tabitha, and Eutychus, indicating that humans have resurrected others. In light of this, there is nothing unique or exceptional with idea of a resurrected Jesus. Additionally, considering the advancements in science, it's plausible that resurrection could soon become a routine practice. Does this mean Christianity is threatened by scientific progress.

[@vhawk1951kl]

that is simply nonsense. The so -called resurrection which is an ex post facto lie, is utterly_ irrelevant* to whatever method christ was trying to teach. the resurrected is as irrelevant to the method brought by christ as is the god fantasy, but you have *absolutely no idea what way or method christ was trying to teach, have you?

[@JohnSpencer90]

@@vhawk1951kl I am not a Christian, and don't care much about resurrections. I do not believe Jesus is a God, but if he did exist, then I would describe him as a secular humanist.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@JohnSpencer90 Of course you are not a christian; there are no christians, it not being possible for an ordinary man(human being/dreaming machine to be a christian, nor is it suggested that jesus christ was god by any understanding of that word which has as many meanings as there are men

[@vhawk1951kl]

No doubt you would say that the so-called resurrection is *utterly_irrelevant* to whatever way christ was trying to bring, which can only be exactly right. Nothing that takes place *after* a teacher has been(for himself) destroyed forever can be relevant to what he was trying to teach*before* he was (for himself) destroyed forever.Mind you there does not appear to be any way of discovering anything of the detail of whatever it was that christ was trying teach or what he prescribed for the achievement of whatever aim one might have, The jeesussey is jolly good stuff but a little thin on detail. all that resurrection monkey business is clearly ex post facto invention insinuated into the detail for only the devil knows what nefarious reason. It is irrelevant* to whatever it was the christ was trying to teach and one bears in mind that this is the man that supposedly said" who, by taking thought, can add one cubit to his stature.

[@JohnSpencer90]

@@vhawk1951kl agree. I have additional thoughts that I have shared using a few videos on my channel

[@yabits]

I would argue that Square One for what became the Christian religion started at Mount Sinai -- where between 2 and 3 million children of Israel HEARD the Voice of the Creator of all things. The only direct mass revelation in recorded human history. If that did not happen, you have no basis for Christianity. But every observant Jew KNOWS it happened. They don't have to believe it. Baruch HaShem -- Blessed be the One True G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. HaShem gave the Torah -- directly dictated -- to His prophet Moses. In so doing, Israel was to take on the duty of being a light to all the nations. NOWHERE in the Torah/Tanakh is there any prophesy of a "messiah" that would come, die and be resurrected. (Amos 3:7) The way to forgiveness of sins is clearly laid out, and it does not involve a blood human sacrifice of an innocent man. (shudders) NOWHERE is the concept of a "messiah" that people will have to "believe in" or else suffer eternal torment. WHO would construct that kind of a g-d? Jesus himself asserted that he WOULD show ONE sign to the Pharisees who questioned him in Matthew 12 -- the sign of the prophet Jonah. If he had shown up at some point -- true to his word -- to the Pharisees and said ... "Hey look, here I am!" -- it would have been recorded. Remember, HaShem revealed His presence to nearly 3 million at Mount Sinai. It is Israel that is His first born son. The resurrection is a MYTH. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem and the coming of the true Messiah. The great sadness I feel about Christianity is how they had to turn to virulent anti-Semitism to attack the real witnesses to G-d's plan.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

"where between 2 and 3 million children of Israel HEARD the Voice of the Creator of all things" Cool story, the Jews have been telling for 2000 years. Somehow the same god is undetectable now that we have cameras and recording devices. LOL

[@yabits]

more like 3,500 years. Paper is also a recording device, and what is written into Torah far exceeds modern technology for proving G-D IS. Unless you are one of those who believe Jews are dumb.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@yabits "Paper is also a recording device" Paper is a device to write stories. Paper is NOT EVIDENCE that the story happened. LOL

[@yabits]

@@sanjeevgig8918 -- guess you've never been in a court of law. Or attended a meeting at which minutes were taken. Ever hear of a "contract?" LOL!!!! Give it up, dude.

[@sanjeevgig8918]

@@yabits In a court, the defendant SHOWS up. Yahweh has been MISSING FOR 3500 YEARS. No one has seen him. No one can detect him. No one can prove him. Your massless, spaceless, timeless Sky Daddy who did MAGIC has all the properties of a NON-EXISTENT rock. LOL LOL LOL

[@sanjeevgig8918]

Do we Have Actual Evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus? NO. No named writer in the Bible - writing in the first person - says "I saw the resurrected Jesus." Even PAUL's "vision" was hearing a sound before he went blind. LOL

[@reality1958]

Do we choose the physical laws of the universe or a story in a book. Not a choice.

[@Gannecus86]

Yeah you go ahead and choose the laws of the universe that happened by random time/matter/chance in your worldview... except you lose induction from the outset because you cannot quantify how or why those laws can be trusted if it was random time/matter/chance in the first place given that it can change at any moment. Also, those physical laws have no bearing on morality or why things are the way they are. Secular Humanism is so... boring. Its just Barbara Bond's version that can be changed and interchanged at will, as well as the added bonus of being able to justify any act or action you choose to do because, as Dawkins put it summarized, "there is no right or wrong, good or evil: just blind pitiless indifference."

[@reality1958]

@@Gannecus86 we trust them because of their repeatable results. That’s how you confirm conclusions in evidence. Change is part of life/existence. Things evolve. Humanism morality is based on demonstrable principles of behavior. Based on the superior moral standard of well being. We humans define morality. Right vs wrong.

[@HJM0409]

We choose the God who authored both. Truth is what is real.

[@reality1958]

@@HJM0409 so that is a claim. An undemonstrable claim. But what we do know is that the biblical claims, so often, is contradicted by evidence

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@reality1958 "Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment." Jesus Christ

[@highpointsights]

with all due respect the host talks too much especially with the scholars sitting silently!!

[@mr.andmrs.adorable2033]

i agree

[@vhawk1951kl]

How do you know they are "scholars"?

[@chardo24]

Gary Habermas theoretical conclusion on the evidence of the Resurrection of Jesus has no value because it is s based on speculations.

[@blakerice7928]

Well that’s not true

[@dentonhahn2907]

How is it speculation? It is historical evidence, the disciples were sceptics, they knew dead men don't live, but they had to change their minds, and it changed the world.

[@chardo24]

@@dentonhahn2907 Habermas argument for the Resurrection of Jesus is not base on historical evidence but on speculation. Because, Jesus as far as we know did not write anything. And nobody that we know of that was with him did.

[@dentonhahn2907]

@@chardo24 I think you may have missed his point. He didn't say the Resurrection was not historical, he was pointing out that in debating the atheist side will not except the gospels. Which is kinda dishonest, as far back as the first century the gospel writers were known as the same author on the four gospels today. There was no big debate over who wrote what gospel, by early church leaders. But he clearly pointed out that it was historical and it "turned the world upside down".

[@chardo24]

@@dentonhahn2907 Habermas claims the Gospels were written by first eyewitness which a distortion. There was no big debate over who wrote what Gospel by the early church leaders because there was nothing there were no Gospels and no Christianity. There were a bunch of Jews arguing that Jesus was the Messiah they were expecting. The Christian religion is an invention.

[@billbrock8547]

Underwhelming evidence.

[@vhawk1951kl]

there is *No_evince* whatsoever of the resurrection because it never took place.