Do We Need Goku Variations? The Ultimate Comparison | Dragon Ball Sparking Zero

To answer the question , do we need goku variation in dragon ball sparking zero? I did the ultimate comparison and played all gokus in dragon ball budokai tenkaichi 3. I did this to compare each of goku's moveset including abilities and rush attacks. I wanted to see how factual were the statements that the different goku's did a good job of playing different. I mostly did this to put to rest this ideology that each goku need a separate character slot. I exposed how a lot of goku's moveset in bt3 was copy and paste and the developers didnt do alot to make goku feel different aside from having different moves. The majority of rush attacks, signature moves, combos are the same. If dragon ball sparking zero opted to have unique combo inputs for each character.
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[@jomb0_]

I'd argue that the lack of variations in the earlier game is mainly a testiment to techincal limitations and wanting to cut corners (in true Toriyama fashion), which doesn't mean we shouldn't get those same variations, I just hope it's with more emphasis on the transformations and having the moveset change in tandem to the transformations that rather than being "Shoulder Charge" and "Super Saiyan Blue Shoulder Charge" with it being the same shit with blue hair

[@makaisaiyan]

yeah in truth if tech was more advanced we might of still saw this with more unique movesets. it could also be the small amount of time devs had between game releases too. i remember devs had 1 year or even less to pump out the next game.

[@davidspraguedragonman6479]

@@makaisaiyanTrue. I’d imagine that if they were given an extra few months, they could have given them just slightly more varied movesets.

[@beastvicious8672]

The only variation we need are costumizable special attacks and different costumes/outfits. For combo's/melee attacks just make each transformation feel unique. This is the ideal for Sparking Zero.

[@makaisaiyan]

ig

[@Misantroph0]

Take a shot of whiskey everytime makai says „goku“ in this video. 💀

[@makaisaiyan]

ppl ggonna be dead

[@Altar360]

We need only one adult Goku. When you select him you can either go to select his supers or there are a few pre-sets based on an era for those who don’t wanna go through the customization process. Now they will play the same, the only difference being the super and ultimate moves would be the era appropriate ones. But you can always have the option to mix and match. There is no good reason to split him.

[@makaisaiyan]

yeah facts

[@MoZen]

This makes sense by the way we actually don't need multiple goku's variations & slots cause we don't eant the same mistake like Budokai Tenkaichi 3 anyways.

[@makaisaiyan]

i just think the type of game, it didnt do anything special and with repeat moves appearing both name and animation i think spike showed how little time they had

[@KingGhidora86]

BT3 is the perfect DB game. Don't relate to the statement.

[@diamonshade7484]

Btw the gt goku ssj3 no voiceline is an English only problem, the Japanese version has voicelines @@makaisaiyan

[@diamonshade7484]

​@@makaisaiyanalso some stuff was left out from bt2 like falling characters special fall animation

[@ssjduncan7682]

Great video man, I watched the entire thing and only have 1 question to ask, in the game for normal size characters how many different combos do they have in total( like delta smash and kiai attack etc) cause let's say in all they have 6(cause I really don't see much difference in combos)and Goku has 4 of them in a combo then there's just 2 combos that switch up(which is what I noticed) it was only the Tri combo and delta smash that would change and the rest would be the same most of the time so I just wanted to know the total amount of combos to know that they had already basically put all the possible combos into Goku In Short: How many combos are there in total and how many combo combinations are possible for 1 character like Goku to have

[@makaisaiyan]

in the combo section it will depend but they all have rush finish, rush in, rush in attack, dragon tornado, aerial barrage, sonic impact, raging impact, spiral slash those 8. they will have air combos which may vary and blast combos. signature attack will also vary based on rush attacks.

[@thesmstudios3223]

Also they say Goku (Super) with Super Saiyan Blue but, technically it's a Z transformation lol. If we are being real, only Ultra Instinct (Sign and Mastered) and Blue evolution are (Super) Transformations

[@thesmstudios3223]

@@ismaelbouissef4436 I was making a joke lol. Super Saiyan Blue is a Z Transformation so technically, wouldn't that still be Z.

[@diamonshade7484]

​@@thesmstudios3223not in Manga so no Canon, sorry for whipping out that card

[@thesmstudios3223]

@@diamonshade7484 But the movie is tho

[@My_Master_Waves]

​@@diamonshade7484The movie where SSBlue first appeared is called - Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’

[@Isaac-ot6jh]

Honestly to me wanting full on separate slots for early,mid,end, is probably the biggest example of nostalgia blindness I have seen, there all not really different from each other, to me just having how Raging Blast did it with move customization would be better.

[@Gfromda23]

I would agree but only in raging blast u changed their super moves. Still fought the same tbh that’s what I didn’t like. Kinda atleast with bt3 they kinda tried to switch it up but goku mid is still fun to play with.

[@makaisaiyan]

you hit the marker. they dont even have good reason for it. the reasons given isnt something people buying this game would worry about

[@Gfromda23]

@@makaisaiyan best reason Is they all are different, unique and fight differently I don’t expect completely different but different enough to tell the difference. And still ur able to have multiple super moves

[@makaisaiyan]

@Gfromda23 i dont see the reason to both from a marketing stance and a developer stance. I expect golu to have variation at most dbz goku, dbs goku, ui goku

[@Gfromda23]

@@makaisaiyan yeah true and gt kid and daima

[@marcovi2806]

Maybe instead of a different character, what we can get is preset versions of Goku within the same character slot. Each with different attacks and even costumes.

[@Gfromda23]

Wouldn’t that be a different character kinda? Just in the same slot so it doesn’t take up space

[@ssjduncan7682]

Isn't that basically Goku BT style but less time looking for a different Goku?

[@Gfromda23]

@@ssjduncan7682 yeah that’s what I was thinking

[@makaisaiyan]

i dont see presets being a thing, sounds like xv2.

[@TheInfinityEvolution]

I would say Moveset wise just go with the Raging Blast Route have each character with customizable super Attacks/Ultimates. That's how they condensed the Goku (and Vegeta somewhat) variations. Though the sucky thing about RB was everyone had the same Rush Attacks.

[@makaisaiyan]

not everyone, they were but into types.

[@Gfromda23]

I personally don’t like one slot unless we can change the way their stances and combo chains too and how they fight and everything. Not just the super moves that’s all u could customize in RB2, but they still fought the exact same but now it’s one slot instead of different variants

[@makaisaiyan]

rb2 just combined them into 1 and offered more super attacks and allowed to switch the ultimate.

[@Gfromda23]

@@makaisaiyan yeah I fw that I hope it comes back giving us multiple moves. But I lowkey disagree the ultimates only like base goku u could switch cuz of spirit bomb. Ssj3 goku u couldn’t use dragon fist as his ultimate only true kamehameha. I don’t kno anyone else that could actually change their ultimate if it was it was very very few. Even super vegeta and ssj2 vegeta had the same ultimate but different color. And u remember how many characters had the same kamehameha ultimate? A lot

[@ShonenGoon]

I think people more so meant the combo strings. Because ss2 goku (outside of ss4) was my favorite because his combos were flashy with the feat. Idc if variations are there or if they treat it like rb2 though. As long as the king Gt Goku is there in all of his glory im good

[@makaisaiyan]

combo animations sure but combo strings are loosely the same

[@Gfromda23]

Makai we get it u more prefer the RB2 way. But ion get it. Different variants are in here so I’m confused on why this topic is talked about a lot with u I don’t see anyone else talking about this topic like this. I didn’t think someone hated variations that bad. If u say RB2 did a lot of stuff better than bt3, why is bt3 the goat Dbz game to u. Why do people get mad if this is a tenkachi game and they bring the features back why is that such a big problem. No disrespect I’m just asking really

[@Gfromda23]

@@ismaelbouissef4436 yeah I don’t understand sometimes like honestly this should be the least of our worries about this game. The gameplay mechanics should be the biggest concern and the content and dlc a lot more stuff is concerning than variations, like that’s going to ruin the game.

[@KingGhidora86]

@@Gfromda23 You hit the nail on the head! Makai just wants Raging Blast 3!!!!

[@Gfromda23]

@@KingGhidora86 yeah no disrespect to him but can’t get mad when we want past feautures back

[@makaisaiyan]

i never said i wanted anything, dont do that. rb2 made by the same ppl took some concepts from bt3 and did it better. the customization was made better. in terms of fighting bt3 did great. I dont wanting a bunch of the same character with very little difference in sparking zero. thats not me wanting rb3.

[@PikachuGamerSMT]

The only variation (using Goku for example) DB, DBZ, DBGT and DBS With different options with each of em

[@makaisaiyan]

even then i think thats too much

[@lotograves]

​@@makaisaiyan....? how is representing each series too many? at this point i think you'd only be happy with one goku that had EVERY form

[@makaisaiyan]

i would

[@habderrahmane]

​@@lotograves The only Gokus i Want are Goku(kid),Goku(GT),Goku and Goku(ultra instinct) I think Utra instinct is going to be a Seperate slot tbh cause anime Version cant use it at will

[@Tiringharbor]

But i dont understand can you transform midfight?

[@IForgellt]

Yeah, we’re not talking about that really. It’s more about different versions of a character, for example Goku (early) representing Saiyan saga Goku, Goku (mid) representing Frieza saga Goku and Goku (end) representing Buu/Cell saga Goku.

[@knarrow0222]

Sorry but no. Variations are needed and you're wrong. End of story.

[@icemaster54isaac86]

I agree.

[@swtorbro5974]

If you ask me i want more variantions if different characters

[@makaisaiyan]

Yea different characters if it makes sense

[@matthewlosito600]

Yep

[@gaetanadamico3144]

i like the fact that the first suler sayan has the hair more light yellow, like the anime

[@makaisaiyan]

yea

[@aboudyonduty]

I am not a fan of variations at all. What I genuinely think they will do is Goku: kid, Z, GT, Super, Daima. When it comes to proper reenactment in the story with goku z, I think you can customize characters abilities almost like how you can in raging blast or kakarot. And in DBZBT3 you couldn’t transform in the story unless you were given the prompt to. I think some sort of variations are inevitable but if they split them up even more than what I mentioned it’ll just xenoverse 2 which is horrible.

[@Gfromda23]

Nah it wouldn’t be like xenoverse. Xenoverse had presents and legit had like 20+ of em but all in all legit being the same

[@aboudyonduty]

@@Gfromda23 yeah but wouldn’t it be cool to transform to each individual form starting from base all the way to blue or even ultra instinct?

[@Gfromda23]

@@aboudyonduty it would be but like if they have stocks back that will be extremely difficult since u have to wait, and who fr is going to let u do that online lol I’m not letting u transform I’m whooping ass

[@rubezzal108]

We just need 3 variations TEEN GOKU ADULT GOKU AND GT GOKU

[@My_Master_Waves]

One of the only great things Raging Blast did was having 1 slot for all of Z Goku with customization AND the way they handled the transformations. So I definitely think 1 Goku can take all of Z. Kid Goku GT Goku Z Goku And maybe DBS Goku. I'm saying maybe because early DBS Goku is the same as Z but with new transformations into God and Blue, but he's still pretty much the same Goku who is still using SSJ1-SSJ3. So maybe one Goku can cover Z and up to U6 tournament of DBS, so SSJ1-SSJ3 then God, Blue, Blue Kaioken. But then a separate Goku from mid DBS who does not use SSJ1-SSJ3 but has UI and MUI.

[@Gfromda23]

But overall still want the variations since it’s already been confirmed atleast different variants for series

[@makaisaiyan]

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[@spider4000]

Yes

[@sanobunz]

i feel like early goku should be based on tournament goku instead. i feel the issue was they didn't have a lot of references or dynamic moves to go off of so to fix it, they can use a mixture of kid goku moves (especially rock paper scissors) reference JR arc goku moves to movies such as world strongest and garlic jr which uses a lot of fight cheography and he is the only one to use meteor rush while the rest of the moveset can go to Z goku, using a mixture of raging blast moveset to fill the holes with kaioken finish as a replacement JR arc - Z - GT - Super

[@sanobunz]

but to agree with you, the only variation needed are goku vegeta and gohan, maybe piccolo jr bc he uses a lot of unique moves while z has a more blasty way of fighting. jr if you like close up fights z if you are a strategist

[@sanobunz]

i doubt db story is going to be used beside its a genre changer so this is the best move

[@galacticmaui2]

As long as there is mid game transformations I’m good either way.

[@makaisaiyan]

we already saw transformations so thats been answered

[@galacticmaui2]

@@makaisaiyan pre-ordered

[@makaisaiyan]

ye

[@TreyGodi]

Now we definitely had some conversations about this and im definitely one of the ones who spoke on this matter about variations but not in the sense of how Xenoverse did it. As i felt that was too many. It's been awhile since ive played these games. Now i hear what you're saying in regards to combos. There not much different. It's more so the moves, supers & ultimates & transformations that make them unique thus giving the feeling of a different style of play. Im glad you made this video. My argument for variations is more so story purpose. Im confident the developers themselves wouldn't allow us to be a version of Goku who is going SSJ3 or using moves in a Raditz fight. Even if there weren't many variations they themselves would do something to limit that from happening. Kakarot & Xenoverse allow us to become any form we want which was fine because cause i can choose to not transform, but do me a favor and play story mode and tell me if it allows you to transform into a form you shouldn't have at that part of the story. Im pretty positive none of the Budokai Tenkaichi games, nor regular Budokai games allow this. But the other part of my argument of variations is what about transformations missing? As you seen GT Kid Goku had SSJ, SSJ3 & SSJ4 which is kind of weird now that im seeing this again because isn't there one free slot available to also go SSJ2? Now why i bring this up is Lets look at how many Transformations Goku Has as a whole regardless of era in the timeline. • Ozzaru Goku • Golden Ozzaru Goku GT • Kaioken & Its Variations X' (Times) • False SSJ Goku • SSJ Goku • Super Goku (Buff Cell Saga Transformation like Trunks) • SSJ 2 Goku • SSJ 3 Goku • SSJ 4 Goku • SSG Goku • SSB Goku • SSB Kaioken Goku • UI Sign Goku • MUI Goku • Gogeta DBZ Fusion • Gogeta DBS Fusion • Vegito DBZ Fusion • Vegito DBS Fusion Thats over 18 Transformation/Power ups Bro w/o including each different kaioken power ups. Now we both agree about the game needing a movelist or customization option like raging blast, Xenoverse etc etc. 💯 Thats an absolute must for this new game. But just hear me out though on Tenkaichi to transform you have the blast bar with the numbers for transformations, which decreases when you transform right? Not a certain amount of ki deciding your SSJ like it was in Xenoverse or even original DBZ Budokai(Not Tenkaichi) games. If Goku was given less varations how would you decide these work out without limiting us or transformations? Even thinking about Dragon Ball Super Transformations for goku, made me think what will he have missing? Because we haven't seen no Tenkaichi or raging blast game which allowed for such a vast number of transformation in just one character. Like Whats DBS super Goku going to have. SSJ, SSG, SSB, MUI? If Spike & Dimps drop the ball on giving us customization of the moves, transformations. Then we'll have only whatever they gave us for default. Personally id rather not see Goku Sign & MUI Goku as a non transformable character like they were in Xenoverse. Same thing with the fusions. I always thought it was dope when DBZ games let us fuse at any point of the battle. Truly giving us a whole different fighter & fighting style mid battle. Now its not a bad thing for fusions to have their own slot because i feel they should, but we should also be able to do what we could in some of the past games and fuse. Now I already know how you feel about Giants but i had to include those forms of goku just to show an example of things that has to either be missing or not accessible to us. As Goku has the most transformations. Mans literally has over 20 transformations. Personally i liked how Xenoverse allowed Ki to decide if you went SSJ, SSJ2 & SSJ3. Cause to me that alone could be one transformation slot. Then we could have SSG, SSB, SSB Kaioken do that on one slot. & Then UI & MUI on one slot. Like raging blast hold the transformation modifier. RT/ R2 Or LT/L2 then press one of the face buttons thats four transformation slots. But if it was combined with the ki aspect like Xenoverse we could power up to different forms on each same face button slot without sacrificing any forms. As the current Budokai Tenkaichi way or raging blast way will only allow those few slots to transform. Without variations or movelist customizations we would all be forced to wte the developers place as Default.

[@wyattbhoffman]

SSB kaioken makes no sense as transformation because it’s not it’s a technique and in sparking zero that’s exactly what it’ll be a technique that last for small bit or be linked to a super

[@TreyGodi]

@@wyattbhoffman I get what you mean but it wouldn't be the first time we received things that don't make sense. Take Fusion for an example. It's not supposed to last that long and they did do this in some of the past games. Budokai 2 & 3 had it. Also Budokai Tenkaichi Tag Team made it so fusion will separate after a certain amount of time. But the reason why I say it like that though is because this game functions off of giving characters only 3 transformations outside their base form. Which is proven fact even though they could add more Frieza in the Budokai Tenkaichi games is the only and I mean only character in the game that goes from base to 2nd, 3rd, Final & Full Power. While if you look at GT Kid Goku they could of gave him SSJ 1- 4 but instead they only gave him SSJ, SSJ3, SSJ4 & they took away his SSJ 2 transformation. Why I'm not sure. Because if they don't give This other DBS Goku variation a SSB variation as it's first form then I'm not sure they will give him any other transformation aside his UI Sign & MUI transformations. Unless it was a lesser SSJ form like Goku used to fight Kale & Caulifia which would make sense. I just noticed these details though as the screenshot of roster proves it's still using this format of only 3 transformations.

[@TreyGodi]

Also I'm going to touch on what you said about his movesets, and seires change being a lie. The combos weren't too different, you showed that. 💯 But like i said in my other comment in the video. There's just no way possible the developers will go the Kakarot or Xenoverse route and allow us to play story mode with transformations or moves that Goku didn't have at that time. I just can't see them doing that. Not Budokai 1, 2, Or 3 did this. No did Budokai Tenkaichi 1, 2, or 3 allow it either for true to story scenarios. What if battles thats different. When did Goku use Super Dragon Fist in DBZ aside Hirudegarn? Goku wasn't able to go SSJ 3 until the End of Z which made since for that variation to have that as an Ultimate, technically that move isn't even canon. Regular Dragon Fist is from dragon ball is canon But Super Dragon fist is not canon since the movies and GT aren't considered as canon. Thats why we never see in video games goku thats not either SSJ 3 or SSJ4 Goku not using those moves. Goku Early, Mid & End did reflect according to storyline or movie(s) moves(supers, ultimates, & transformations) that goku had access to at that point of the story era. That's what i mean when i say those variations reflect that. Their supers, ultimates, & transformation made those variations feel different in that aspect. Because as you pointed out the combos were not that different. Its mostly the supers and ultimates that change what you had access to which made that varation unique, oh i can't go beyond kaioken because im this goku or i cant use these moves or transformations because im not this goku. From an offline 1v1 or Online POV i get what you're saying just don't power up if thats what you want. Give us Customization of movelist easy fix Thats true. But from a story mode POV lack of variations this doesn't work. As you already know we don't choose our fighter in story modes they just give us whomever is being Displayed in the said saga(s). Now unless Tenkaichi Devs decided to change their mind of how it was in past games and allow some what if Scenarios like Xenoverse in the story mode its no problem, but i just highly don't believe they will do that with Tenkaichi's story. I Mean even Xenoverse is fully what if, they still decided what variation will go out into battle along side you, or against you according to that timeline. I seen people in other videos saying why don't we see tien use his copy himself technique or his four arm form anymore. Its not that Tien can't do them, its just they never had tien use those moves in futher saga's or timeline. Kind of like Goku of our current time doesn't use the guided Kamehameha where he controls the movements of the wave like he did as a kid. Or the foot Kamehameha as he did as a teen, not because he can't. Just a technique he no longer uses. Instead we see instant transmission Kahmehamehas or Super Kamehamehas as more common for the present era. Now like i already said on your other videos i don't agree with the vast number of variations that we had in Xenoverse. How many presets did just one slot of Goku have? Then we had SSG Goku & His preset variations. SSB Goku, UI Sign Goku, MUI Goku. I don't want to see that in Tenkaichi. I'd rather have a Goku who transforms into those forms. And also one that i can choose what form i want as a base/ starting form like BT3 & Raging Blast already have. But im hoping that This new Tenkaichi has more transformations then BT3 has because now after seeing your video it reminded me that nobody has more then 3 forms they transform into. Goku may start out base, but he only has that 3 forms he goes into next. baby vegeta has Base, then his next form, then Super Baby Vegeta, & Golden Ozzaru's as his last form. All together yes BT3 Had base plus 3 forms totaling 4 forms but only 3 more forms were accessible. Thats why DB GT Goku didn't have SSJ2, instead he only had SSJ, SSJ 3 & SSJ 4. Im glad your video reminded me of this fact. And i hope Tenkaichi Zero doesn't go this route with transformations again. Especially if they don't give us the customization movelist or have other variations will mean what they give us is what we got. I hope this better explains my take on things from the diffrence of Story Mode True Variations vs Offline 1v1 or online fight models. As well again the variations that were true to that part of the story because of the moveset they had. Transformation limitations, certain supers, ultimates, which the story mode itself comtrols since it decides who you are while fighting in it. Make a video like this again but with characters in BT3 that became different after transforming such as Trunks who becomes Super Trunks, or the Vegeta who turns into Super Vegeta, or Broly all the way from his base to LSSJ. Or Bojack or Super 13. As their attacks, & speed shouldn't be the exact same as it was when they were smaller. Also the best Ozzaru is Baby Vegeta since he is not primal like kid Goku's great ape form. Having acess to the infamous Revenge Death Ball. Super Galic Gun.

[@arrownoir]

05:55 I was looking at the tier list and asking where’s SSJ4 Gogeta? Rightfully banned.

[@makaisaiyan]

that man is so broken in bt3

[@arrownoir]

@@makaisaiyan Haha, yeah. He’s ridiculously op.

[@KingGhidora86]

If we just pray for Raging Blast 3 then Makai can get what he wants and our BT4 vision can stay pure.

[@makaisaiyan]

i wanted a dragon ball game developed by spike and im getting that

[@KingGhidora86]

@@makaisaiyan Maybe Spike will do RB3 too then lol

[@makaisaiyan]

...

[@Houdiniman05]

Bro why are you saying ki wrong not trying to hate it just bothers me a little you keep saying kai

[@makaisaiyan]

... i mean

[@richbossstennett2994]

It’s already been confirmed that we will have different variations, why are you stretching this argument out? Lol Goku (Super) is confirmed meaning we’ll get Goku (Z) Goku (Kid) Goku (GT) and in October or whenever they decide to do it we’ll have Goku (Daima). This man did like a 2 hour analysis for a pointless topic 😂😂

[@makaisaiyan]

we cant go off assumptions. pointless topic you clicked on to comment this.

[@richbossstennett2994]

@@makaisaiyan Take it like this, all I’m saying is that Goku (Super) might be the only Goku we get from Super. Unless they make UI Goku a stand-alone but everything else Goku (Z) etc will most likely be one slot because let’s be real here, UI Goku does not fight the same. But Variations are a good thing, I get that you don’t want like 7 Goku’s (Which might happen) you gotta remember, this is Goku we’re talking about, he’s the main character

[@makaisaiyan]

goku shouldnt have pointless variations. ui goku is a logical variation, he cannot freely transform into at least in the anime.

[@richbossstennett2994]

@@makaisaiyan I understand what your saying. How I listed it in my first comment is how I think they’ll handle it, the only exceptions to the way I have it would be Gohan, and maybe Trunks as well. Trunks due to the fact that the one in the gameplay trailer was saiyan armor trunks which has the long hair and doesn’t use the sword and it wouldn’t make sense if the trunks that does is not in there and the only option for that would be DBS trunks. I don’t really mind variations tho, but in 2 days maybe we’ll find out more about that aspect, and further when the game releases.

[@thesmstudios3223]

Here's how I see it. Video: You did a good job explaining on why you think this way, most (if not anyone) has gone in depth to explain why variations of Goku really shouldn't be in the game. But in my personal opinion, for nostalgia, I want Early, Mid and End BUT if they do it to where we have Goku (OG), Goku (Z), Goku (GT), Goku (Super) and Goku (Daima) They better go ALL out to represent Z with the different costumes, skills and the atheistic, otherwise Don't fix what's not broken

[@Gfromda23]

I agree with this if they decide to not separate z characters like early mid and end and vegeta and vegeta second form. The customization better be out of this world representing certain parts of the series and it better change super moves ultimates combo chains combo animations etc. the raging blast 2 way isn’t enough for the amount of content we have now

[@Gfromda23]

I see what ur saying but let’s be fr if it’s added back in sparking, they all would have a better representation than 2007. They have the tenkachi series, other Dbz games, the tenkachi 4 mod omg and the anime. I’m saying if variations especially all the gokus come back I trust in 2024 they would all be completely different. We honestly can’t expect a huge roster and every single character to be different. Not even in the show every single character is different some of em have the same moves. They will be different but some of them will have some of the same moves. It is crazy when we discuss variations it’s only about goku like other characters aren’t going to have variants, and goku the main character lol of course he’s going to have the most representation. But goku mid still the goat lol all the Goku’s are still fun to play with. And also mostly everyone in the game has the same combo chains with different animations and other stuff so I’m really not surprised

[@ssjduncan7682]

That's exactly what I'm hoping for, I hope since we've evolved so much and have way more content it should be enough to make the combos different, if the have a variation system but from Super to Z and so on but have some unique stuff here and there I'm all for it, I mean in Xenoverse 2(I know it's not the same company but lemme cook)they put enough effort to the point where almost all Goku's or heck Evel almost all variations of characters have unique combos and animations(and I'm talking about variations as in they take up a character slot, and not the costum-ish variation where u press L1 or R1)

[@Gfromda23]

@@ssjduncan7682 I agree we have alot of content now for unique moves compared to 2007. U have games and the anime also u can be created and make game only moves. Variants should be bsck only of course if it’s different. No matter what I’ll have fun regardless I just don’t want all the forms and customization in one single goku. Xenoverse Shii is deep asl thru can take moves from there but that’s it to me

[@gakunohb4333]

gt goku spiritbomb is not unblockable

[@makaisaiyan]

im just telling you what the move stated my guy.

[@chicono17]

I just hate how they take up a character slot with variations like “hey you have a 100+ characters!!!!! Buuuuuut more than half are variations 🤭”

[@makaisaiyan]

yup it its happening again

[@Gfromda23]

Also play the tenkachi 4 mod it’s amazing and yes they are unique

[@makaisaiyan]

they arent and i already played that mod

[@franklinok3225]

I agree that variations Goku had were dumb and not intuitive. I will say however that you can get away with a Goku (Early) but just make him be the in between Teen Goku up to Saiyan Saga before the art style changes. That way we could see things like meteor combination (ngl I hate seeing that move on older builds of Goku) and you can get more quirky stuff like the feet Kamehameha But in general I’d just like it to be split in DB/DBZ/DBGT/DBS and Daima when it’s eventually added in the future

[@makaisaiyan]

i dont see the point of even that

[@franklinok3225]

@@makaisaiyan welp lol

[@arrownoir]

It’s part of the fun.

[@makaisaiyan]

i suppose lol im probably will play ssg goku only

[@Skew0443]

I haven’t watched the video yet, so im gonna give a before and after of my opinion on goku variations. My opinion before watching the video? There is nothing particularly wrong with them. As long as there is enough differences, it’s fine. Like in tenkaichi 3 each transformation has a new move set. Sparking zero we gonna have goku z early mid and end each with different transformations each with new movesets(hopefully that last part) then goku super or something. In Globku’s words, you can’t change the skin but have the same move set and call it a new character but you can have the same skin but with a different move set and call it a new character. Ima watch the video real quick and edit this to add my after watching opinion. Edit: done with the video, my opinion hasn’t changed. This video was just him repeating the same thing i disproved was gonna happen in sparking zero in my reply to this comment earlier. Even if there were copies in tenkaichi 3, again, it’s a PS2 game. What are you gonna expect? Sparking Zero i can almost guarantee(almost. Cause if im wrong im gonna get set on fire cause the internet) will not have echo characters.

[@Skew0443]

Not done with the video just wanted to point something out, tenkaichi 3 came out YEARS ago. Sparking zero has the potential to truly make every single variation different. You can’t expect a PS2 game to be perfect.

[@makaisaiyan]

the general point was too much focus on variations takes slots away from other new and old characters

[@esincorporated6123]

Raging Blast 2 did a better job at making characters less homogeneous and only had 1 variation of Goku. I personally agree that having several base Goku variations would be pointless. People who want this are blinded by nostalgia aren't thinking of the bigger picture. Having a roster with 50 variations of Goku to accommodate every appearance and era will ultimately make the game take longer to come out and take of roster space. This is the same argument that people make when saying that they want Base Teen Gohan playable. Which is ultimately pointless because other than beating up a few jobbers in Bojack Unbound, Teen has never been shown fighting in base form and is always in SSJ or SSJ2.

[@Gfromda23]

There is no nostalgia for it it’s what we want. I mean personally this game is nostalgic lol bt3 is considered the Dbz game by many. We just want many features returning from what made that game great. Either or we are having variants it just might not be that many like bt3. And how yall complain about goku when he is the main character that has the most representation? It’s literally his show. But I respect ur opinion but I do disagree with base teen gohan lmao haven’t had him since raging blast and I hate modern dbz games do that. Might as well take out all base forms instead of goku and vegetas. I rather have all the content and give us an overwhelming amount cuz I want replay value atleast and not play this for a year then that’s it u feel me.

[@Gfromda23]

And btw bt3 only had 5 varations which I don’t think is that much. If they decide to do that it’s not a deal breaker and it won’t ruin the game, we have bigger things to worry about than variants

[@KingGhidora86]

"Blinded by nostalgia" is just gaslighting people trying to make nostalgia seem bad smh. People want what they want and if the nostalgia for the BT series wasn't what it is/was along with people that been asking for a sequel for years, BECAUSE of how good the games were and people remembering that (aka NOSTALGIA), then we wouldn't be getting Sparking Zero. People just want different things... I don't want to have to go in and customize moves just to have a feel of a different era Goku. It's tedious. The fact that Teen Gohan base didn't fight much in the anime only makes me want to play as him MORE and play out different scenarios in the game. Make the game take longer who cares as long as it's good. And it's not like they won't work on DLC characters after the game comes out anyway. It's bound to happen with the way the world works now.

[@diamonshade7484]

I want base teen Gohan tho he looks better in the goku gi and it's not a hard thing tbh

[@diamonshade7484]

I don't mind variations I just don't like how they give unique transformations a character slot instead of being actually transformations that is what I can't stand with xenoverse and Naruto games

[@DerriousGamez]

We're getting variants plain and simple😤😂

[@makaisaiyan]

k

[@My_Master_Waves]

His point is that there's no need for too many variations if they all will play the same. Not that there won't be any variations 🤡

[@DerriousGamez]

@@My_Master_Waves now you're putting words into my mouth where did i say that there won't be any variations 🤨🤡🤡🤡

[@My_Master_Waves]

@@DerriousGamez reading comprehension problems?

[@DerriousGamez]

@@My_Master_Waves something you definitely have🤓🤡

[@king.1713]

You shut your mouth sir. Variations as most definitely needed

[@Altar360]

You got any proper counter arguments to anything he said?

[@king.1713]

@@Altar360 of course I do. Variations are cool. BOOM

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

@@king.1713idiot no need to curse

[@robertmcintyre1660]

I think just one variation of Goku and every other character meaning Just one character option and nothing else, and starts right from dragon ball intro (as in the cannon from the db super broly movie) and instead of different versions of the same character you just pick his age after unlocking through story mode as he is growing up, and each age you represent him as will change his fighting style and transformations, and you can mix it all around very veridly as you want to, as in you can pick age of a really young Goku, but take mid Goku mid (using Budokai Tenkaichi 3 as an example) fighting style with the transformation of end Goku and so on through the whole story and such, but only in verses mode story still remains solid to the cannon, also what would be cool is having different versions of either super or gt characters are the only versions of actual different characters but still only be picked from the one character, as in picking either from any era dragon ball, dragon ball z, dragon ball gt, dragon ball super, all the movies (as what ifs) from dragon Ball, z, and super and make some new made up for this game gt movies add them into this game, this will also change the art style of the game of the whole dragon ball anime changes style, and you can also chose that, so you have four opinions to mix and match with just one character variation but still have absolutely everything and more, I'd pick the dragon ball z movie art style, transformations of gt goku, with age of dragon ball Goku with tail and power pole, and Goku super fightingstyle and techniques oh yeah beat that combination of Goku anyone? what do you people think? Peace ✌️🕊️ Maca E'Q'Lib oh yeah I forgot about aura that's got to be purple base, purple and blue through the transformations and obviously atier would have to be end of z Goku. I think this game will have all the way up to dragon Ball super Broly in it, and that the moro and granola super hero and dirama (dragon ball magic) will be the dlcs that come out after, other wise they would not have shown Broly in the first trailer now would they if his story/film isn't going to be in this game, and that takes place after the t.o.p you will see ui Goku in this game on release