Do We Really Need All Stealth A Components For Stealth Ships 4.0 | Star Citizen Stealth Guide [4k]

[@Wortho27]

Industrial D everything. 100k signatures. Assert dominance 😛

[@ijangumpet]

"I AM THE SIGNATURE!!!!!!!"

[@Atromnis]

Rename your ship the John Hancock.

[@diminios]

On a Guardian, for good measure. That thing has a higher EM signature (stock) than the Polaris.

[@imobius_1i98]

There are some missiles with your name on it dominators lol

[@_..-._.-_-_]

That's right. They can't see you if you overload their sensors.

[@NZDivine]

I wish you could see in game if a component was A, B, C, D while salvaging instead of needing to see the shop sale screen or use external sites

[@Malember]

Interestingly enough, the real money customization options of the 300 series create unique situations for selecting a default ship configuration. The base version provides class C components, the various packages upgrade some of the components to class B. My favorite is the 315p explorer with the optional XC package (bought for additional money). This gives the ship class B stealth components by default. The end result is a fast, interceptor tuned ship with 12 SCU of cargo and larger fuel tanks (from being an explorer). This ship makes for a very good drug runner - or any other high value cargo. When you file an insurance claim you get the upgraded ship you bought back.

[@shanehorvath7670]

Excellent information here... I need to stealth out my Vulture ASAP. Roola.

[@christopherjohnson2171]

Stealth B has lower emissions, so its what I always used for powerplants and coolers and then comp shields.

[@jookm]

I would have assumed that with each stealth component, the higher the grade the more stealthy as well (lower signature) despite what the other specs say. But Erkul doesn't show signature until you test equip it.

[@rescuejake]

The best thing you can do if you’re interested in stealth gameplay (offensive or defensive), is to utilize (or purchase) a handle change pass, and change your name to match the alpha-numeric format that CIG uses for ship serial numbers. Because inevitably you’ll be detected, or be doing a task unsuitable for a stealth ship, but being assumed to be an unmanned ship, subsequently ignored, and then hard to prioritize as an active target, is invaluable.

[@Cyco-Dude]

I would have liked taking a look at the thing that makes stealth components useful: the signature!

[@biolazer]

Fighting a ship with signature so low it's fucking annoying! You can't ever target them if they get farther than like 500m

[@bumbleb97]

I would invest in either D grade components for lowest possible EM/IR signature before turning components off, OR B grade for better component survivability. D = quietest signatures, but also the weakest in all other stats. C = slightly louder signatures and higher overall stats than D grade, but still quieter than A grade B = has more component health than C grade, but is otherwise the exact same as C grade including the signatures. A = loudest signatures, but has the strongest stats everywhere else. I might consider D grading the Eclipse so as to get the lowest possible EM/IR signatures. You can of course power down certain components for even lower signatures. I'd D grade the Eclipse specifically for 2 reasons: 1. The closer you can sneak up to your target without being picked up by radar, the easier it'll be to land a dumb fired torpedo if you ever choose to deploy them in that manner. 2. The more you can push those signatures down, the sooner you'll drop off of radar when leaving or retreating. Component health isn't as necessary if your target can't see you to begin with. As the saying goes, "you can't shoot (or is it kill?) what you can't see". I'd say it can be done, but good luck trying. Your target, (if it's another player), will have to get really good at judging their distance to you and knowing where to lead their shots without their radar. Your stealth IS your health and your life. For Stealth Fighters, I think I'd prefer to B grade those. With the Eclipse, you'll want to get in, fire your torpedoes and get out without ever being detected ideally. For Stealth Fighters, I'd expect to have longer engagement times compared to doing a hit and run with the Eclipse. I'd want my stealth components to last a little bit longer with this in mind. In short: D grade Eclipse B grade Stealth Fighters As for which components to prioritize, I would first and foremost change the coolers to stealth grade B (D doesn't exist right now for coolers) for 3 reasons: 1. Low Impact Component: Coolers in my opinion don't really affect much. I don't think I've ever truly run into heating issues in my time playing this game since 3.19. I've heard warnings like "shields too hot", or "engines overheating", but I've never really had serious heat problems that adversely affected me even then. 2. Lowest Signature of All the Components: The stealth coolers (size 1) have the lowest EM signature of any component at 134 across all grades. C and B grades have an IR signature of 1,250 and A grade has an IR signature of 1,380 3. Only 1 Power Segment: Stealth coolers (size 1) have only 1 power segment to them. They are either On at 100% or totally Off. My reasoning here is that I don't have to scroll all the way over in my power management mfd to divert power away from the coolers to put into other higher priority systems like shields or weapons. Power Plants: This is 1 of 2 components I'd consider getting the A grade for. C and B grades have 13 power segments, A grade has 14. The EM signatures are 1,740 for C and B, and 1,880 for A grade. Curiously the power plants don't output any heat on paper, so IR reads as 0 for all grades. Shields: This is the other component I might consider upgrading to A grade. I'm more up in the air around the shielding. The way I see it, your stealth is your shield. As long as you don't get close enough to be target locked, the chances that your shields take damage are slim but not zero. Players may be radar blind, but that doesn't mean their eyes are. They could try to shoot at you without the radar if you're close enough that your ship can be seen well enough with the naked eye. If you're that close, you're probably also within weapons range. If I do A grade the shields, I'd probably go with the A grade Industrial Palisade shields. They have the highest shield pool and regen without sacrificing too much in the component health. Yeah the shields may be loud in the signature department, but you could just turn the shields off to keep signatures low. If there's no power to the component, there's no EM or IR coming off of it. Of course if your shields are off and you power them on again, you'll have to wait for the shields to charge up,... which negates their usefulness... so scratch that idea. Competition shields would have a higher shield pool and regen, but they are the weakest where component health is concerned. Compared to stealth and industrial shields, they are in the middle regarding the signature output. After writing this out and thinking about it a little more, I'll probably consider a B grade competition shield instead for extra padding despite the very weak component health. I'd probably rather D grade the shields as stealth shields. This would serve more as a "Oh fuck! I've been spotted." warning than actual shielding. and finally... Quantum Drive: I don't think a stealth quantum drive is really a necessity. If you're in SCM (Combat) mode, your quantum drive will not be powered, which would mean that it won't be generating heat or electrical signals. I'd say pick your favorite quantum drive. Other mentions: Apparently the stealth shields have the same across the board EM signature as the stealth coolers do, which is 134. Competition shields have an EM signature of 781 and the industrial shields have an EM signature of 1,970. The civilian class shields from Seal Corporation (SECO) [ these are INK, WEB, HEX for D, C and B respectively ] have a slightly lower EM signature of 750 compared to competition's 781 If you made it to the end of the Great Wall of Words... Congratulations! You've got some serious persistence. If you gave up half way through or didn't bother reading at all, that's totally understandable.

[@luvit579]

Zeus - Starburn, Abscura, Icebox = 26 or 27 available pips for full power to shields and weapons at the same time without subtracting any from other system components. I've had a lot of looted components vanish, so I don't currently spend too much time looting components. If I come across a really good component I put it in my home city storage for potential future use.

[@luvit579]

P.S. Icebox is available in Stanton - I either got it at Dumper's A18, Cousin Crow or Terra - Platinum. Terra is most likely where I got the S3 Civilian Grade A for Starlancer Max though so it's probably one of the other 2. These are the only 3 places I bought components so apologies, but I don't remember what was from where. For the Max the first thing I do is install the Icebox coolers, the stock Luxcore Power Plant is already the best for max available pips.

[@cisco22]

Ive been able to loot ship components from contrsted zones and the exe hanger and they are in my inventory, but when i equip and save they just unequip and slot is empty😢

[@lookingupforjesus]

You have to do it the old fashioned way, unlock all the ships ports, and install with tractor tool, re lock the ports, and save the settings.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

That is a known bug

[@Blitzkreig19]

Exact same, except looted from soft-deathed ships. Really pretty shitty, honestly.

[@gravdigr27]

Is there any point in lowering ir and em if it's already below your crossection detection range? Does it effect missile lock range?

[@adrianbrijalba]

I’ve seen that meta for stealthy fighters or even some faster fighters is stealth with competition shields. Thoughts?

[@mr.sophistication3232]

Your thoughts are correct. Unless you get hit with an em missile, then the low hp of the competition shield will cause it be instantly destroyed by splash damage. But yes, it’s the way to go.

[@christopherjohnson2171]

Yes that's what I run. EM emissions don't really matter on shields since you can turn them off when you're trying to hide or on approach and you don't want the low shield pool of a stealth shield once you're in a fight. Stealth "B" coolers and power plants and comp B/C shields on my stealth ships. I run comp power plants on non stealth ships that can benefit from the additional pips.

[@BladeofSalvation]

could you test a stealth hull a ? the crossection isnt listed on either of the websites

[@damaddmann]

Would also like to point out that when Luden components from other ships, there’s a 50-50 chance that you’ll get to keep the item I’ve lost guns components and gear from a D spawning, especially when I loaded it from another ship

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

same thing happened to us many times as well

[@damaddmann]

@ thank you for all your content. Is there any chance you could put up a video that can showcase how soon you will be detected with staff components it’s really confusing for me but again thank you for all that you do.

[@gabrieleconti3088]

yes today i tryed loot some component for my cutlass black and they simply disappear like u describe in this video

[@damaddmann]

It would’ve been really cool if you could’ve put the signature values not sure why you left that part out😅

[@kcirreda]

Need help with the Pisces, can't believe it's so small with a 7.4K cross section range.

[@bumbleb97]

That seems rather large actually for a ship that small. I think the Drake Cutter has a lower cross section. I think it's closer to the 5k range and it's a damn space parking trailer. It's also taller than the Pisces. I may not fully understand how cross section works though. I'd imagine something that's physically bigger would naturally have a larger cross section than something of a smaller size without taking into account how the shape is built and if stealth type paints are applied. An F-22 I've heard has the cross section of a bumble bee, so given that detail, the physical dimensions don't seem to be the outright determining factor for cross section. If I had to guess, it's the shape of the structure rather than the physical dimensions that really matter. I've noticed that my EM signature seems to be the loudest in my small ships after fitting stealth coolers and other stealth components. The stealth components affect the IR signature far more than the EM signature. I think the EM targeting missiles are popular partly for that reason. The other reason would be that the size 1-3 EM strike missiles come in 3rd place for damage output, with the Vanduul IR strike missiles doing considerably more damage per missile and the rattler IIs doing the most damage provided all the tiny missilettes hit their target. While the EM strikes might come in 3rd for total damage output, I'd consider them 1st place in actually being able to apply that damage when fighting smaller ships.

[@ThecleFr]

A good video would be, for each size of component, what is actually the "best" alternative to military stuff and where to buy :)

[@Chili-Lochnagar]

Hi Foxy love your vids, it is worth noting you can loot grade B S1 stealth components from Aegis Eclipse which are quite common in bounty missions. Also some S2 can be looted from other ships such as esperia prowler. Hope this helps.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Thank you for the tips.

[@Blitzkreig19]

Can you then insert those stealth components into the ship you want them in? Because when I've tried, the vehicle tab in the Mobiglass never allows me to save that component in the slot, it only lets me slot in purchased components, never looted components. It's absolute shit.

[@Chili-Lochnagar]

@Blitzkreig19 Interesting, would need to try inside the hanger using tractor beam if the vehicle loadout manager doesn't work, certainly worth testing out, if I get time will have a go later on today or tomorrow. I would add I recently equipped two shields from a looted Sabre and they went on fine. I just had them stored inside a hanger at a station, not even my personal / home location.

[@Blitzkreig19]

@@Chili-Lochnagar Was that with a tractor beam or through the vehicle manager? Like I said before, the vehicle manager wasn't letting me equip looted components, and the ship I was trying to put them in, the Cutter, did not allow me to tractor beam anything in the slots, you could only pull them out. No matter how I tried orienting them, or jamming them in, there was no silhouette to put them back. I wonder if it's ship-dependant.

[@Chili-Lochnagar]

@Blitzkreig19 Just using vehicle loadout manager. Sounds like it could be a ship specific bug?

[@theRegulus1]

co if i scrapped Military C coolers from soft dead npc it was a bug?

[@LaPiraguaAsesina]

but you cant put other components rather than originals, multitool doesnt show arrow to fit component , and mobilglass doesnt save neither. Only can change guns manually.

[@imperatorz7062]

For a size 1 quantum drive, I prefer Drift over Zephyr because it can travel 30 GM farther.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Indeed

[@SolarWindsRider]

Stealth makes sense for small starter ships (like 100i). Even then fastest industrial QT drive still makes sense, even though it has higher emissions. For larger ships it only makes sense to use stealth components (like coolers) to have more power for other systems.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

yes indeed, stealth componment only make sense for stealth ships, other ships the CS is too big you can't stealth it anyway.

[@hirofortis]

the thing that just never seems to be answered is what difference does stealth make if your cross section is larger than the stealth? What good is having IR and EM below 2k if your CS is 10k. since it just uses the largest number for radar.

[@lookingupforjesus]

CS is dependent on the attitude of the ship vs the opponent. My Sabre Comet has a CS of 3.8, but that is when viewed from the side, or top. Nose in, my Comet is down to under 500 meters.

[@hirofortis]

@@lookingupforjesus that's fine for stealth built ships, but I see all these articles about making say a vulture stealthy. It seems kinds dumb to bring it down so low since no matter what you do, the cs on a vulture is gonna be high.

[@damaddmann]

Yeah, I can’t believe he didn’t do a test of the signatures like a test to see what it’s like for you to be detected with stock components versus steal that seems like it would make a lot of sense. We could all read the Health point numbers.

[@gravdigr27]

Has anyone tested missile l9ck range with stealth? Ie your cs may be 10k but if someone is using em missiles and your em is 2k, can the missile lock?

[@Eric-un2oq]

Steath plants and coolers and not shields and qdrive. I can turn those off when i want to set my sig. Problem is the a plants dont give me any more bars so they kinda don't matter. 2 deltamax have 16 bars, 2 slipsteams have 16 bars.

[@gametouchcontroller730]

Thing is, 9/10 fights are a face to face dpa race. And in that type of engagement all other things being equal, that extra small amount of hp is king.

[@bumbleb97]

If you're in a face to face dps race 9/10, you're either doing something wrong, or you're fighting something a little more maneuverable than you. Ideally you want 9/10 to be in a face to ass dps race, not a face to face dps race. I do agree that you'll want as much component health as possible for loud in face brawls.

[@gametouchcontroller730]

@bumbleb97 all things being equal, face to face DPS race is all there is. You can't both be behind each other.

[@bumbleb97]

@@gametouchcontroller730 All things being equal being the operative words here, then yes whoever has the B component has a slight health advantage over the other who has a C component. I understand your point. I'll admit I read over those operative words at first. I would see face to face as being the rule if you're fighting a player who has practiced the basic fundamentals in Arena Commander and can keep his nose close to yours. If you're fighting the everyday ai however, which is what I do more, then that fight should be face to ass unless you're dealing with an ai in a significantly more maneuverable ship.

[@snowmind]

Every time you say "Snowblind" in the video, I had to look up from what I was doing and check out what's happening! Don't overuse it, pls! ;)

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

lol...keep it stealth Snowmind

[@_Brando_69]

Man i got a hornet mk2 yesterday and did all the overdrive mission but no f7a upgrade

[@adonai5572]

That event is way over. You did the save Stanton missions.

[@Ogata123]

The eclipse and slipstream gives an extra pip of power, its the stealth parts im really looking for then the jaghte

[@christopherjohnson2171]

The Eclipse doesn't really need power though since if you're using the guns you're likely dead already and even if you do use them 2 pips maxes the ammo. Since it comes stock with the "B" power plants (stealth B has a little lower EM rating) and coolers I leave them there along with the Drift QD (it has the most range of any stealth QD) because having a spooled QD will reveal you so fast when most of them go to 20k on EM. I just add the comp shields to the Eclipse and call it good and even then those are just in case you get pounced on because typically I have them turned off when I try to torpedo people at 10-12km.

[@fg1110]

Best channel for SC

[@gametouchcontroller730]

You also forgot to mention that CZ components cant be equipped anyway.

[@Zypher_Caplan]

First! love the channel !

[@Zombiesmoker]

If you check erkul, stealth grade B is better stealth than grade A.... B gives lower signatures

[@LucidStrike]

More that neither is objectively better. You generally have to consider both emissions AND performance. If A has a little higher emissions but much higher performance, that can be better for some scenarios. O ce subcomponents and engineering are fully in, A will probably be the best all around when properly setup, such as with subcomponents that lower emissions further.

[@MrGabolas]

Slipstream is easy, just loot a 315p. For S2 just loot a Vanguard Sentinel, also has some Stealth B Components.

[@Necondus]

How are you removing components from a 315p?

[@JesseHiraya]

Yeah I don't think 315p has physicalized components yet.

[@MrGabolas]

@@Necondus My bad, i have one, i just put it in another fighter and went from there..., but the Sentinel works very well, i dont have one but i have the components now.

[@chawkes70]

because an artificial, nonsensical, broken economy is the way CIG want to go witrh this game. The longer this project goes the more I wonder if they have a clue about what they're actually doing. Getting the best military/stealth components for free by raiding a pirate bunker makes sense when you have lawfull players with CDF and potentially UEE reputation that cant buy them LOL

[@jimrussell4062]

Nope. Not game balance wise anyway. It's very much one "team" now knowing what the other "team" is doing.

[@Blindfire201]

spectile so stealth it dissapears right before your eyes lol

[@Hisui79]

Does the cooler really do smth right now ? seems like you can just put them off your ship and all is still green :D

[@aiTheVulture]

on super hornet shield destroys itself without cooler. some systems in MFD have heat graph, i think its should fill up when component in use, and doesnt work or getting damage without cooling.

[@Dyre05]

i turned them off yesterday and watched my signatures. IR initially dips but then slowly climbs until the coolers are turned back on. If the coolers are left off, eventually ship turned off (presumably from overheating). So it looks like you can turn them off to temporarily lower your over all signature but this benefit lasts less than a minute or so even without putting systems through intense load.

[@TheBusutil]

Hey Foxy, is it possible to do a Reclaimer stealth build?

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Not possible, because we don't have stealth components for size 3 and above. Only size 1 and size 2

[@robertcase2252]

I'm not buying components. Just take shields, despite what erkle... states, shields no matter what you use have the same ttk

[@MrFoster91]

why would a pirate system have all the grade a components. makes no sense.

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

So dumb they locked components for Ships behind FPS gameplay xD CIG better not have this as a 'finalized' idea

[@LucidStrike]

They literally already told you their "finalized" ideas at CitCon...

[@jimrussell4062]

That's how you get people to do it.

[@spacexy0]

​@@jimrussell4062they should lock FPS gear behind FPS content and ship components behind flight content.

[@windsorlindor6168]

Blueprints will be made available a number of different ways

[@HighmageDerin]

I don't mind that they removed the military and self components from Stores period but what really p***** me off is they locked them all behind pvp. I am not a master at PVP combat in fact I completely suck at it. Having the best components for my ship locked behind a game systemI don't stand a ghost of a chance at and requires a time commitment to playing in p VP that I don't have every night being as I have to have a fullTeam of friends to even attempt going down after those components. Is just hair pulling aggravating. They need to have some PVE ways to gain the best components in the game as well. Me I plan on focusing on the item creation side when things come into the game because as I said I do not have the skill to compete in true intense pvp matches. I like being that support character. The guy that supplies the guys that are good at combat. But right now I'm being punished because I don't have high levels of first person shooter combat skill

[@jimrussell4062]

So you have people falling over themselves for 7% better than stock components? All for the cool "A" label? Sounds like most average players won't even notice the difference from stock anyway. Skill levels are a lot more than 7% different between players.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Agreed

[@Thearmiktz]

I'll use the basic stealth setup. No components at all... Why does my ship won't start btw? TY for the info bro.🎉 o7

[@vladimirfarber5021]

Sooooo? Do We Really Need All Stealth A Components For Stealth Ships 4.0 ???

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

No, start with Stealth C and Stealth B that can be easily purchased in game store will be more than enough for your stealth ships

[@kazzsaru]

Its a crying shame that once CIG took away the Military and top-end Stealth components did people discover that said components are actually kind of pointless compared to alternatives, especially with the hard work you gotta out in CZ to get them randomly. And thats counting everything works, which is asking too much for the alpha in its current state.

[@quarkedupphoton236]

Not sure if radar and sensors have been flushed out enough in SC for stealth components to be really useful . Rarely do player check out IR and EM signatures. Radar, the hidden characters of primary and secondary surveillance in the game, is messed up. I remember it was hard to target stealth talons but at MM speeds and frequent pings it wasn't hard to figure out where they were at distance.

[@v77z]

bullshit it does make a difference, I can be seen by the naked eye before a radar pings with some setups.

[@quarkedupphoton236]

@@v77z r u in a reclaimer?

[@v77z]

@@quarkedupphoton236 shows you don't know about the game to be making claims like that.

[@jamesrosewell9081]

The maximum EM, IR and CS values are what currently determine a ship's ability to be detected and at what distance they are. This applies to player and NPC ships in both PVP and PVE. My Eclipse can go undetected in both up to close distances

[@quarkedupphoton236]

@@jamesrosewell9081 In the OP Im not saying stealth components are useless just the closer the stealthy ships are the more detectable using pings. Lock-ons may not be reliable but enough to know they are there until the gap is closed and with MMs kinda forces that in non-missile/torp scenarios. Not looking to split hairs on the subj.

[@siriusscepter]

Thet also removed grade A competitiion now. So annoying

[@scottgust9709]

Meta ruins games

[@Brenelael]

Yeah... CIG using the good components as a Carrot on a Stick to get people to try out new content is getting very old. First they moved them all to New Babbage to force people to go to that lagfest... Then they moved them all to Orison to get people to go there... Now they've essentially locked them behind a PvP wall pissing off a very large portion of the playerbase. Come up with some PvP centric rewards for PvP areas... Come up with some interesting new things at new places to make people want to go there... STOP MOVING THE DAMN COMPONENTS AROUND AND USING THEM AS BAIT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!

[@proto-typ3]

You're saying that Stealth and Military grade components are... not pvp rewards? Cmon guy, I'm sure you're at least a little self-aware. PvE does not require full Military or stealth A components as of right now so I don't understand your complaining.

[@borischung01]

Contested zones are only partially PvP. Its mostly PvE with occasional PvP happening. It's not that difficult, you got it.

[@GW2Vids1]

Lol what? The best items should be harder to obtain. Welcome to the world of mmo. We like to chase carrots.

[@LucidStrike]

But is it working for testing purposes? If so, worth it.

[@jimrussell4062]

@@proto-typ3 PVE includes bounties and FPS bunkers.

[@SpaceCitizenFaye]

Component HP just doesn't matter.

[@Xulization]

is it so ? i asked me how it works when a ship takes damage, which components would be hit first or maybe just a random thing..

[@pIaydagames]

QD it definitely does.

[@SpaceCitizenFaye]

@@Xulization We don't have maelstrom yet. Components don't take physical damage. the Component HP is just for Distortion damage which nobody really runs anymore.

[@SpaceCitizenFaye]

@@pIaydagames QD has nothing to do with components.

[@Razehell42]

Why does it seem I can turn off my coolers and fight with no noticeable change?

[@v77z]

the temperature begins to rise eventually until it goes higher than not having them on, on certain ships