Do women even know what they want? Crazy Accurate breakdown & explanation of relationships@hoe_math

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[@tdrive398]

The part that absolutely floors me is that women will reject (or destr0y) a stable relationship (marriage) for no other reason than she doesn't get "butterflies". We're supposed to be adults- chasing "butterflies" is for children.

[@AQUARIUMFREAK123]

WOMEN ARE CHILDREN.. once you understand this, it will all fall into place.

[@goofywill90]

Freedom with no responsibilities will do that to a person.

[@peopleofearth6250]

That's why I'm never getting married.

[@knox7945]

They are chaotic in nature

[@pepicrummer5887]

My wife did this. After being run through she came crying to me about how unfair life is! I asked her if it was fair how you destroyed our marriage. Why was she upset because? The younger models were on the scene soaking up all the attention. She was 33 but they were 21-25 she could not take it.

[@stevearnold8265]

You can show them all of this information, and they still won’t change a thing.

[@SingleTax]

Yep, and that's why increasing numbers of men are walking away in disgust. If her list of demands is that long and unrealistic -- and she's consequently that difficult (if not impossible) to satisfy -- then she's simply way more trouble than she's worth.

[@WillHal1000]

Because women are literal children. They all grow old but most never grow up.

[@Alazar654]

@@SingleTax Correct.

[@Alazar654]

steve, you're correct.

[@anon4kag]

Using logic & common sense to communicate to most women, is like singing to a houseplant to make it grow better.

[@AbrahamKingston]

There's no such thing as a perfect marriage or relationship; they're all unique. What makes one person happy might not make another person happy. But I've learned that there's always a way to solve problems. Five years back, my wife and I were almost divorcing because we had problems in our marriage, but we managed to work things out. It was a hard time, but we got past it.

[@GodfreyKelz]

I honestly want to be happy too. I'm in a relationship, and even though we're apart, I can't imagine my life without her; my love for her is strong. I really want her to come back, and I'm fully dedicated to making that happen. We've tried different paths, like therapy, to fix things.

[@AbrahamKingston]

Moving on from someone you hold dear is invariably challenging, but in my experience, I was guided by a spiritual counselor who prevented the breakdown of my marriage. Her name is Suzanne Ann Walters.

[@GodfreyKelz]

Thank you for this advice. I'll promptly start searching for her online. I appreciate it. I'm optimistic that pursuing this approach will also lead to favorable outcomes for me; her absence weighs heavily on me.

[@AbrahamKingston]

Welcome... You should..

[@Stormspinner]

This seems like an AI-bot comment... it's not touching the actual topic. And there's another comment here almost identical.

[@StimParavane]

Raising little girls to believe they are special is a major contributing factor to all this delusion. But it's done to sell them stuff they don't really need.

[@StayFractalesque]

..theyre all 10/10, yet need make-up, expensive clothes, invasive surgery, prescribed narcotics, acrylic nails, hair extensions, lip filler, nose jobs, BBLs, high heels, etc, etc, etc..

[@davidturner1641]

great statement

[@Kleyworks]

'They' manipulate for multiple purposes, not just money. It's maximising and using up as much as possible.

[@Illtechnica]

The Princess Syndrome is real. We teach girls they're never wrong, and when they make a mistake it's because someone (mostly boys or men) did something to provoke them to make a bad decision.

[@joeprimal2044]

Yes. Women are born with value just because they exist. As long as they don’t get fat and are tolerable personality wise they will be pursued. Men on the other hand only have the value they earn.

[@libertywolf93]

I've boiled down modern female dating preferences to this simple statement. Women will choose any given man by how much jealousy he genders in her known female groupings.

[@kristianlavigne8270]

💯 😂🎉😅

[@meshugganator08]

Hoe math is a national treasure

[@janerikpe5852]

I watch his first video the day he launched.

[@chadsensei-ue6jn]

No wonder the country's broke.

[@Richard-mq7wf]

He's an idiot

[@StayFractalesque]

​@@chadsensei-ue6jn ..seethe...

[@Jewel_Screaming_Chango8387]

@@janerikpe5852same

[@nadie2795]

Women say 'We are attacked constantly when we leave the house', and of course they get bored at home, go clubbing, and hope the men are dangerous

[@SCOTT77100]

1) Most of the time if they get bored it's due to guys getting to lax in the relationship or too busy with other priorities. 2) Clubbing--problems are going to happen, it will eventually backfire on her 3) Dangerous men--plain stupidity, you get what you ask for. Women with this thinking will continue to shed tears and be miserable.

[@Vazzini42]

Women talking about attention may sound like a complaint, but deep down, it's a brag.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

really depends on the women honestly, some are more of the party type than others, some women are perfectly satisfied staying at home and reading a good book watching a romance movie/ series. Other women are intellectually stimulated in which case yea you got to keep them from getting bored so they don't leave, but if they leave they're not leaving to go to a club, they're probably leaving to go talk to another guy, or possibly even a women, on more intellectually stimulating things because you're just to dumb to be interesting to her.

[@StimParavane]

@@SCOTT77100 Women crave emotional drama.

[@jamesdotson1080]

@@SCOTT77100 You seem like a "Nice Guy" Scott That's code for chump where women are concerned. How many married women have you bedded who explained this to you?

[@user-pb8xf9if3c]

The notion of a flawless marriage or relationship is a myth. There's no set formula for success; what works for one couple may not work for another. Yet, I've discovered that there's always a way forward, even in the most challenging times. Five years ago, my wife and I encountered significant hurdles in our marriage that nearly led to divorce. Despite the adversity, we managed to weather the storm and emerge from it with our bond renewed and revitalized...

[@user-pb8xf9if3c]

It's always difficult to let someone you love go, but in my case I had the help of a spiritual adviser who saved my marriage from collapsing. Her name is monica Erlene mora...

[@user-pb8xf9if3c]

You won't regret it

[@Stormspinner]

AI-Bot.

[@EvilHandyman]

I love how you admitted that women don't know what's best for them. That's 100% true, and it leads to disaster.

[@FergusHodgson]

They seem to be their own worst enemies.

[@Vade1313]

and they vote on feelings

[@johnmorelli3775]

That was my conclusion after 20 years of dating.

[@scottverge938]

Don't ever say that to a woman, she'll lose her mind.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@Vade1313 hmmmm, makes you wonder why we ever gave them the vote to begin with. Maybe our forefathers knew best and only men should have had that right.....

[@jeremycole3008]

This guys presentation should be required high school curriculum

[@Muck006]

Marriage counselings ...

[@jeremycole3008]

@@Muck006 if men were made in the image of god, were women in the image of buffoonery ?

[@charliedontsurf334]

@@Muck006 That hard part there is at that point (I assume you meant post-wedding counseling) that is a day late and a dollar short. High school is where this needs to be taught.

[@chamberlain323]

That was my overwhelming thought when I encountered this guy’s content on his KZbin channel for the first time. Damn, I wish someone taught me this stuff when I was 18. Instead I had to get friendzoned one time too many and learn the hard way that women don’t really like those qualities, even though they claim to.

[@PantsofVance]

Yeah right...would instantly be shut down as 'sexist' towards women lmao

[@StimParavane]

Women no longer seek a good husband. They want to have a series of relationships because the female ego craves emotional drama.

[@zman6513]

Correct. I blame liberal (as in our current neo-liberal) society. It caters to women. It’s all about individual empowerment and satisfaction of desire, largely through materialism. It was a different world before deregulation of the sexual marketplace. Then women sought and valued stability. Now they want excitement.

[@tactileslut]

For most, the State discourages connection by revoking support. If she gets past that, there's a clause allowing collection of spousal benefits associated with multiple deceased husbands. Arsenic and Old Lace, codified.

[@zoidberg444]

Look at the primary entertainment form marketed for women - the soap opera. Women deny they enjoy or indeed need emotional drama but if they didn't why do millions of them watch that slop?

[@shans1986]

Women ascend. They are not looking.

[@doctordetroit4339]

yup...just watch a soap opera....every episode is a marriage or divorce or coma....drama drama drama....

[@anon4kag]

Unfortunately, the "Keeper category" has been so weaponized by the legal system, that marriage is a hard NO for most intelligent men with a sense of self preservation, no matter who the girl is. Marriage is now more like, just deciding who you are eventually going pay alimony to.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

Yes and no, I think as men we always need to be on look out for the perfect women that wouldn't divorce us. in today's age though that's complicated because not only do you need to make sure you match up in every way possible and you love each other, and you're vibing in multiple different situations, you also have to make sure your women is not one to be swayed easily by societal pressures because the easier that society can change and influence her, the more likely she will change and grow out of the relationship. So basically if you're looking to get married you need to also put close to the top of the criteria of what constitutes a keeper, a woman that's intelligent and individualistic.

[@anon4kag]

@@hoppeanofasgard1365 Sounds good in theory, but reality is a fickle beast.

[@langhamp8912]

@@hoppeanofasgard1365 Statistically, marriage is a terrible choice for men. While men might think they can choose wisely and correctly, statistically men are more likely to choose wrong than choose right. One would not fly in an airplane that has a greater than even chance of crashing but men choose marriage and the subsequent divorce all the time.

[@geobloxmodels1186]

I was married for 20 years the first time, and the second time it was over in a few weeks. I gave up on it all. Now every ten years I just pick a woman I hate and buy her a house.

[@langhamp8912]

@@geobloxmodels1186 That's why I don't give them my real name.

[@TheFimbullord]

51 years old, lifelong bachelor. Marriage is a joke. I quickly learned that in my mid twenties, when starting my management career. Women were willing to sleep with me regardless if they were involved/married or not. It disgusted me and caused me to shun commitment entirely as there was no loyalty or honor among the women in the workforce, at least in my experience. I was the bad/good mix but went all bad by my early thirties. That was back in the mid nineties. Sodom and Gomorrah 2.0 right now. It is so sad to see society collapse so readily.

[@nelsonmcgee3545]

Same here brother same here my friend you and me the same.

[@overtonwindowmannukesrlame5581]

Total degeneration.

[@georgesontag2192]

Divorce court for a man with children is very difficult to describe. As an example, the judge said for me to sign my house over to her using a quick claim deed. If I refused to sign, the judge said she would sign my name. No wonder men refuse marriage. The internet is showing men how bad it is.

[@scottverge938]

I feel like I hear the same story from any man that's really good with getting women. They've been with a decent amount of them and some of them are married or in a relationship and don't even tell the player until after. And it totally sours the player on women in general. One thing I'd offer, is that maybe it's not that all women are like that but the women that respond to a bad boy player type while in a relationship obviously are.

[@themick6586]

​@@scottverge938but as we see from hoe math the majority of women want the bad boy, it has been estimated that only 5% of women are really marriage materal, the long odds of finding the few that are suitable makes it worse than the casino. And many of the ones that would make good wives are not the lookers that men would like. If you get a ugly fat woman she will have less options, and thus is more likely to behave, and less likely to have an entitled attitude.

[@antonmaier5172]

And that is why most men have completely checked out ...

[@jozillagorilla1263]

The other 4 women are all thinking the same thing. They all think they'll be the one.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

Yep!, that's how it works, and that's why they'll put up with harems, which while most guys love that kind of situation, they rarely if ever understand the dynamics at play because they know damn well if the situation was reversed they'd be disgusted, but guys are not women. totally different mindset.

[@chriswhinery925]

Every woman thinks her vagina is magic and will convince the man that he only needs her forever.

[@StayFractalesque]

​​​@@hoppeanofasgard1365 ..whats more disgusting.. dipping a chip in the community guacamole, then trying the salsa, then, oh, is that chipotle?.. Or, being the side dish that every man in the party is dipping his fingers into... Exactly.

[@davidturner1641]

probably two of them have agreed two share him.... they will remain his sleepers for life if he gives them what they want

[@piobmhor8529]

This guy reminds me of an old boss of mine. He was a great guy, a few decades older than me and lived a rather wild life in his youth. He had a great way of explaining his experiences with female nature, rather cynically at times but was brutally honest. He described “the wall”, how women were born rich but become poor whereas men are born poor and become rich, the hot/crazy matrix, golddigging etc. but never used charts. This all came from personal experiences. He gave me the kind of advice most young men need to hear, but seldom ever get. He’s in his 80s now and I still see him as often as I can.

[@shans1986]

Women are born rich and with age, become richer in spirit.

[@poopingwhilestanding5801]

​@@shans1986Lol.... yeah, sure thing sweetheart

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

​@@shans1986Or cats.

[@scottverge938]

God I wish we had all been taught lesson.

[@keng528]

This guy is off the charts he would make Dr Phil actually shut up great job🎉

[@thystaff742]

Dr. Simp will just over talk him in not letting him get a word in. Like he always does when someone is winning an argument against him. This is why I don't watch TV, it's garbage.

[@skepticalbystander]

Makes me want to start spamming Dr Phil's videos telling him he needs to talk to Hoe Math. Dr Phil is a fuckin joke. I'd love to see him have an honest conversation with him.

[@eriklarsson3188]

@@thystaff742 Well, that's Dr. Simps job. He's also a gate keeper. And you're right. TV is garbage, 100% pure manure and poison.

[@edwo6648]

"Men don't understand Women, Women understand women and they hate each other" A Bundy

[@Kleyworks]

Stop copy pasting this quote already. Its old and Al aint no hero or role model... pff

[@craigpeet657]

​@Kleyworks But what if it's the truth? Old or not.

[@edwo6648]

@@Kleyworks Funny I typed it out from memory. Don't hate the truth, embrace it.

[@Kleyworks]

@@edwo6648 Sorry mate... The quote is doing its round a lot together with warm memories of Al making 4 deciding touchdowns for the cup or whatever - whatever..

[@Kratatch]

The mess we are in is because women think they are all 10's. And the fake ones that think they are 10's but try to be humble call them selves 7 or 8.

[@FergusHodgson]

True, and barely any men will challenge them because doing so is a losing strategy. Men tell them that they are 10s to make them feel like they are keepers, even when they obviously are not.

[@Muck006]

Women WANT the "handsome/successful man", because ... *OTHER WOMEN WANT HIM!* They want to WIN "the competition for the best man".

[@unwokeneuropean3590]

After they win they will divorce him. They won, they took his money and they can be free again.

[@st44455]

When I first saw this chart it was like scales falling from the eyes. Every past relationship came into crystal clear cringe worthy focus.

[@franksalidivar7342]

Hoe Math is HILARIOUSLY Truthful....Been watching that guy for awhile....

[@richardjohnson5435]

I like how the max both is called Prince Charming. It isn't rare. It's a fairy tale. You can't max both as there are things that simultaneously effect both scores in opposite directions. You can't maximize investment for her with multiple girls.

[@Oldhogleg]

Interesting analysis. The fundamental difference is that men assess things logically like an adult while women assess things whimsically like a child.

[@FarfromEden]

Agree

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

I've come to this conclusion too, but it took me years to come that understanding because growing up we are taught women mature faster than guys and are the ones with the more level heads as a result of that maturity.

[@drstrangelove4998]

Women, not all, but most don’t even know what they are going to think from one day to the next. They are not logical but ‘emotional thinkers’ controlled by their hormones. It’s their tragedy, and in a way, men’s too. 🙄

[@aretwodeetoo1181]

​​@@hoppeanofasgard1365 Both things are true. In almost all animals with some exceptions (like pandas due to extreme malnutrition) the most developed are born less mature, less independent and mature slower, but they mature further. In contrast others reach "adult" state faster but develop no further.

[@chadsensei-ue6jn]

Yeah, misogyny is just sooooo logical.

[@AB-ez4rm]

If a man approaches a woman and she views him as a creep, it's harassment. If she views the man as a bad boy, it's a come-on.

[@orangeandslinky]

"A woman has the RIGHT to change her mind, about anything, at any time, for any reason, as many times as she wants to." //// I Heard this when I was a kid. I didn't believe ALL women were this way. I was wrong. Can you make a deal (covenant) with this kind of person? Of course not.

[@city_of_coompton6832]

I'd just reply "the right to change your mind doesn't mean you won't have to deal with the consequences of changing your mind..."

[@ST-TV]

Making a deal with an entity like that only made sense when you had outside factors that made it very difficult for said entity to act on those mood swings. Now all of that is gone and with it goes the concept of marriage.

[@StayFractalesque]

Listen Bros, you wouldnt sign a contract with any other stranger or family for that matter where they get all sorts of your hard earned cash and prizes just because they change their mind.. there is literally no reason to get married, ever.. if she wants to be mad about it, she can go protest with her vagina hat and tits out on capital hill to remove no-fault divorce laws.. oh, and DNA test at birth, no exceptions

[@independentaquaman7424]

@@city_of_coompton6832 Except that when you reply that way it means that you are hateful and therefore dangerous. Yes, that's what it means to those women.

[@georgesontag2192]

She gets a house, land, alimony when she changes her mind. It's an easy decesion for her. That's why they do it.

[@ungenerationed9022]

"H03 Math" is already legend in the man spaces.

[@MikAlexander]

Other problem is that women confuse consciences and polite dudes with nice dudes.

[@tylerdurden3722]

I think you might be the one confused. Being considerate and polite, especially to a fault, is exactly what makes a nice guy a nice guy. Btw, there's nothing wrong with being nice, as long as it doesn't come at the expense of virtue and personal boundaries. E.g. it's not possible to truly exercise virtues like honesty, transparency, integrity, etc, without risking offending others. Also, when nice to a fault, it becomes manipulation (i.e. choosing words with a focus on manipulating thoughts and feelings in someone else, regardless if the intent is good or bad). The only form of communication that isn't some form of manipulation, is to choose words that focus on describing what one truly feels and thinks, and this risks offence. Plus these virtues require courage and strength of character in some scenarios, and the opposite is cowardice and weakness, which are not virtues. The process of attraction happens subconsciously. It's not a conscious thought process or choice. People experience attraction as things they feel, "chemistry", "vibe", etc. Women can't help often being romantically attracted to courage, honesty, integrity, transparency, strength, confidence, etc., and not the opposite of these. Human beings are biological pattern recognition machines. Millions of years of Darwinian evolution went into women being able to subconsciously sense the physical and behavioral traits needed to raise offspring with optimally. Some animals mate select with peacock feathers and dances and the attraction process is instinctive, our species has our own mate selection process and criteria coded into our DNA as well. Human males evolved to play a specific role in our species via hundreds of thousands of years of natural selectin, just like any other male in it's species evolved a role, and in humans females evolved to mate select accordingly (the purpose of mate selecting is to mate and produce offspring). it's that simple. Being "nice" makes women like a guy. What it doesn't do is arouse women (we evolved to have arousal, to induce behavior that produces offspring).

[@denislegeev1119]

Women rarely confuse. They feel everything a mile away)))

[@davidpaulk785]

​@@tylerdurden3722OP comment was spot on and your long rebuttal was unnecessary.

[@ericsguitar0]

This framework is almost identical to mine. From my early twenties, I explicitly measure women by looks, intelligence, and kindness. Any sign of promiscuity is a no go under all circumstances. A low sex drive (or narrow minded about sex) is also an instant break up. As this video describes, once a woman meets the basic criteria, he will be completely bonded and have no plans to cheat or break up. In general, men bond much more to women than women to men. For most, the difference in bonding is not even close. Women get confused because there is a small percentage of men who want to be promiscuous. And, yes, most men occasionally give in to temptation and get together with women we deeply regret.

[@JJ-vp3bd]

In general, men bond much more to women than women to men - how come tho is there science behind this

[@MoyToy84]

This is why arranged marriages were way more successful than women choosing on their own. The Father would know who was the best candidate for her daughter.

[@Alazar654]

Its good to see so many men waking up to what's going on. I remember a time when I was always called an incel just for speaking about this information, but now men see it too. Good job men. 👍

[@DaDavis1954]

Showing your emotions from your past is nothing to be ashamed of. This video reminds you of who you are. You are only human, after all. God bless you.

[@Novaximus]

"How did I become an old cat lady???"

[@joshualewis4991]

By chasing men out of your league and demanding he settle for less

[@jontnoneya3404]

Just be a bitch - the rest will take care of itself

[@brianp9503]

By slutting around until the good one comes along . Then the good one figures out your past. Throws up and leaves .

[@matsv201]

In a old Simpson epsisode before they went woke they made a Backstory about The angry cat lady. And its frightningly accurate

[@lepotdefleur9906]

The mistake zone is where she regrets what she has done and the guy end up in court. edit which , ironically, will make him more attractive to certain women.

[@ST-TV]

I agree. The mistake is the bad boy she doesn't want back.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

LMAO, so sad but true!

[@jamesclark6427]

At some point, probably in the 1960s, all of the universal knowledge women used to have about picking men was lost and no longer passed on. My mom was born in 1940. She had it. When she was a teenager in the 1950s, her mom and the other women in her family taught her you never go after the boys all the other girls are chasing, because they'll just use you and throw you away. She said it like everyone knew that and it was just common sense. But that's no longer known. It appears there is no instruction being given to women at all now. Maybe not to anyone. Which explains a lot.

[@beowulf_of_wall_st]

thery never had that knowledge they just stopped paying attention to the men in their families

[@breakingthemasks]

The difference was that ... Get this... Girls *like... Being used... As king as the guy is a real chad. Its not a "mistake" per se... Its a willing choice, and one they are thrilled to make. It just so happens that this choice has some monumentally negative consequences.

[@joekahno]

You are very open about the influence your father and your faith have had on you. Over the last fifty years we have had two generations where more than half have some experience living in a single parent household. We're talking about the clueless raising the clueless. Add the influence of feminism over the same time frame and you have the toxic indoctrinating the clueless.

[@christian7561]

Women act this way because they can get support from the govt!! Take half his stuff and a child support is easy to do then stay with the same guy

[@MSMW23]

This is an amazing insight. It explains perfectly to me why I have only had 2 relationships in my life and why I no longer seek one.

[@alanmerrick2841]

Olive is to Bluto as a child is to a roller coaster. It’s not about sex. It’s about Olive's emotions energised by excitement. Popeye being a good man is not a roller coaster, and so she is not excited by him.

[@metanoian965]

is Olive Oyle virgin ?

[@DanXJ19]

Blitz took the Olives pit 🫒

[@garyhoward2490]

Well...Blow Me Down!!!

[@metanoian965]

@@garyhoward2490 Olive will do the job, for sure.

[@alanmerrick2841]

Reality gets written into art. There was nothing funny about how the cartoonists portrayed female nature. From the classics to cartoons the truth of things has a way of showing forth.

[@doctordetroit4339]

Peace for men= serenity. Peace for women = boredom.

[@ddleupriandboast]

It's worse. Men know you have been in the bad boy situation or the mid for a long time. It rubs off on women. Worse if you are older as a woman, probably go hand in hand though. You will be a sweeper even if you have good looks.

[@tdrive398]

I think the way many modern womyn respond isn't based on any in-depth contemplation or thinking, rather almost entirely on flitting through changing emotions. Which is why their relationships are so chaotic- they're not based upon a firm foundation.

[@edwardmcgarthwaite7771]

All their value comes from external sources. Hollowed out

[@PureYang0]

Which is why the father was the one in charge of setting daughters up with committed relationships historically. That’s why the father is the one who walks down the aisle in marriage and literally hands the daughter over to her husband. It’s because leaving relationship building up to women has always been a chaotic fail, you read about such things even in the Bible.

[@ruckboger]

It makes sense in a twisted way why women found Ted Bundy attractive

[@modestmouse2889]

WOMEN aren't worth it anymore.

[@Alazar654]

@@ruckboger I'm totally not surprised. Think about what characteristics makes a bad boy a bad boy. You''ll eventually realize that women just like bad boys lol like literally.

[@current9455]

You didn’t fall for the bad boys You got got Chaded

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

it's hard for women to resit the Chad, the Chad is the guy that's 10 out of 10 on the good looking meter, dresses well, and has super smoothness powers and possibly status as well. If a guy has all of that stuff, a women would have to be very smart and logical with a good up brining to resist the charm, basically you're looking at maybe 5% being able to say no. In other words, a chad is going to chad, and women are going to swoon for it.

[@josephcooper9640]

Quartering did an interview with Hoe_Math. He has post graduate degrees in psychology. Very well schooled genius and a great guy overall.

[@Richard-mq7wf]

He makes some good points but his chart is crap

[@aries144]

Excellent work. You've harnessed your innate tendencies and are steering them toward something you want to accomplish: helping young men. Well done!

[@nolifegaming8685]

Tell me that your dad is dead without telling me your dad is dead. Even as a man, I choke up talking about my dad.

[@AlexandriPatris]

As an extreme introvert with a low 'bad boy' score, I'd rather be a 'ghost' than a 'creep' or an 'ick'.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

I'm moderately introverted myself, want to know how I overcame this limitation with women? I dressed in ways that got their attention and worked out. I never could overcome not being the life of the party personality, around to many people I get quiet and my thoughts go more inward, I just don't have that kind of charisma either, but it didn't matter when I looked masculine and always kept up with the fashion trends that women find hot. Try it, I can't guarantee it'll work for you but what do have to lose!

[@AlexandriPatris]

Changing my appearance to simultaneously be more masculine and 'fashionable' would just be an act and way outside of my comfort zone. I'd rather be myself, comfortable and alone than fake and uncomfortable (and still alone, more likely than not).

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@AlexandriPatris Well you kind of have to let it become you. I'll admit when I started working out I liked it, and I think that's a big part of it too. But you're probably right, if you don't enjoy working out a women might detect that you're not being yourself and that can work against you almost as much as a more muscular physique is working for you. As far as keeping up with fashion trends though, honestly it's neither here nor there for me, I don't not like it but I don't particular enjoy wearing all of these hot in style clothes either. If really pressed on the issue I probably would just say I'd like to just wear a t shirt and blue jeans and call it a day lol, but somehow it works, but I make it work too. But it's up to you, my only advice is sometimes maybe we have to step outside our comfort zones just a little bit to get what we want. But that's just what I found works maybe there's other ways. Good luck in anycase!

[@SamBourgeois-mr4hq]

​@@AlexandriPatrisMight want to check in with yourself if "extreme" introversion is a cover for disordered anxiety. "Fake and uncomfortable" are also giving me that impression. It's not an act, it's an action, as in "actionable goals". Nothing wrong with a little discomfort when pushing yourself, but if a lot of discomfort keeps you from desired companionship, that's going to be a problem if you're an introvert or not. There's a point where choosing comfort can become incredibly uncomfortable.

[@chrisharris6462]

If you own your creepiness and ickiness you will transform through it and become better. We are all capable of being creepy. And capable of excepting it.

[@Rick27707]

I appreciate you sister, you are grounded and real. I am praying for your MS situation, maybe I’ll see you in the clouds some day soon.

[@johnkauppi7078]

When I was in my late teens to mid twenties I had no trouble attracting women as I was a fit, good looking guy. But I was poor and next to broke even though I always worked. I slept with many of them but failed in relationships. Women said I was too nice or didn't make enough money. I am a good, kind, thoughtful, caring guy by nature. So it's hard to be the non-caring asshole that women become attached to. I know guys who treat their women like crap and the woman stays and puts up with it. Experience in life made me change tact. I kind of stopped caring about what women want and became selfish and aloof. A bit of an asshole. And next thing I know I've got a beautiful girl that I can't get rid of. I married her. Women's thinking and way of operating is so strange to men, it's almost like they are from another planet.

[@jamesdotson1080]

My story is very similar. Classic nice guy. Grew up on a farm. Athlete. Always helped the neighbors or anybody else who needed it. Got cheated on by my first serious girlfriend and it broke my heart and my faith in women and to a lesser extent humanity. I swore off relationships. Learned some cold approach tricks from some of my older cousins and became a player. By the time I was in my mid twenties was keeping a rotation of 3 or 4 women that I would "date". If I met a new girl who really caught my attention I would ditch one of the others. Then I met the woman who got me to give up the other women and I married her. We just had our 30 year anniversary recently and to this day she says I am the biggest jerk she ever met. My wife got to see that the good guy, at least some of him was still inside me. The simple fact is that a man just cannot afford to show weakness to a woman before she has been imprinted by him and he knows she is a decent person herself.

[@matthewridgeway9250]

Imagine how an accused may feel when women are in the jury in a court case. What are they judging the accused by? I remember a woman that was eager to convict a gentle guy in court, maybe she preferred the the other guy who was so much more masculine and a threat to other men. He was a player for sure! A player AND a psychopath! Oh my gosh, I am so glad the rest of the jury read the evidence over the Chad "victim".

[@SocraticMethodGuy]

as a former content creator myself, I respect the buhzozos out of anyone who makes their content in one take basically with little if any, editing. Its a legit sign of a REAL person, naturally being competent and interesting. most people are too hyper time crunching (or insecure) to avoid the temptation.

[@melkerner]

They want what they want, until 5 minutes later when another "feeling" happens. and then Menopause happens, and they want what they want without any regard to the marriage, the partnership or anything else.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

That's why you have to play on that emotionality of women, if you can't trust them to keep a commitment, then work with what works, be romantic with her to always bring out the feelings that are conducive to keeping her. it's that or bust I'm afraid with most these day.

[@jermaineayivoh8263]

My 6 year old acts this way, she will say she wants to eat such and such, then 5 minutes later she suddenly doesn’t want to eat what she said she wanted to eat 5 minutes prior and now wants something else. This behaviour is also not a one of here and there, it’s a reoccurring theme constantly changing her mind and not being able to make a decision and stick to it. Having children gives you a very good insight into the psyche of the majority of females if you are observant enough. It really isn’t an exaggeration when it is said that many women act like little children.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@jermaineayivoh8263 It can get so frustrating at times though... Tell me do you know how we came to as a society to have this false notion that women mature faster than men? Because clearly for the majority of them they stick to their childish ways longer.

[@jermaineayivoh8263]

@@hoppeanofasgard1365 As to your point about maturity, well I suppose it depends on what we are trying to define maturity as. If we are strictly speaking about physical maturity, then yes girls comparatively to boys tend to reach their physical maturation point at an earlier stage. You’ll sometimes have 12-14 year old girls that have fully developed female bodies. Boys however tend to not hit puberty until 15, 16 or sometimes “only” at 17 years of age. When it comes to the mental side of things that’s a completely different story. I reckon when it comes to mentality it’s a combination of nature and nurture. As men not only do we generally tend be better at keeping our emotions and grievances in check, we are also expected to take responsibility for actions to a much higher degree than females are expected to. Males get harsher judgment and treatment from society at large for stepping outside of the accepted gender norms. Females however generally get much more leeway and have many of their faults and missteps excused or completely ignored. In a sense it’s the same way misbehaviour and law breaking from a child isn’t met with the same sort of punishment/ disciplinary action as misbehaviour/ law breaking from an adult when it comes to the court of law. The fact that women tend to reach physical maturity at an earlier age than men do, works as an advantage in their younger years yet paradoxically becomes a disadvantage later down the line. The advantage is that very early on in life, women tend to get an abundance of attention from the opposite gender just for existing, meaning most women have achieved next to nothing in their younger years yet at times manage to acquire attention from men as if they have some sort of celebrity status (depending on their physical attractiveness of course). The downside to this is that it causes many women to get mentally stuck at the age at which they started receiving vast amounts of attention from men. Because of this many women grow up with the delusion that they don’t need to change anything about themselves, why would they if being just themselves was enough to attract plenty of men in the their youth ? This is also why when men make the mistake of asking females for dating advice, what they will often be told is “just be yourself”. The reason women tend to give this advice is because it worked for them on masse when they were young and attractive. Attracting women as a man however is much more nuanced and complicated than it is for a woman to attract a man. The chickens come home to roost however once women begin to age and lose their youthful looks. This is the stage at which many women are confused as to why they aren’t capable of attracting men like they used to be in the past. The answer of course is extremely obvious, but since many women have a problem with self reflection, many fail to come to the proper conclusion! As to it at times being very frustrating having to deal with women, yes females can be on occasions a headache to deal with at the best of times. Though I also find that many men make the mistake of trying to communicate with women as if they were men. Logic tends to be the domain and language of men. Emotion tends to be the domain and language of women. When you’re trying to converse and interact with a child, you aren’t going to get very far by talking to it as if it were a grown adult. You could talk about quantum physics to a kid, but it is mostly likely going to look at you in confusion and eventually get bored and go on to do something else, instead of trying to communicate in a language it doesn’t understand or doesn’t have any interest in. Instead you’d be better off to lay out a colouring book and several differently coloured crayons in front of the child, and then say something along the lines of: “Hey doesn’t this book look exciting ? I wonder what colours would best suit that tree over there ?”. The same principle must be applied when talking to women. You need to be able to interact in the language that females respond to. If you are able to affect a woman’s emotions through your presence as a man, the likelihood of her falling for you significantly increases. It’s in a woman’s nature to feel attracted to a man that can influence her emotions. The worst thing you can be to a woman, is a man that has no effect on her emotions. A man that has no effect on a woman’s emotions may as well be a ghost to her. You may as well not exist in her eyes. Modern day society has played its part in incorrectly teaching men that women and men are equal, meaning the same. Men, women and children all have their value in society of course, but we are by no means the same. The sooner men realise this and act accordingly, the better off they will be in the long run. The advantage of being a creature of logic instead of a creature of emotion is that logic can be used to understand emotion and it’s origin, whilst emotion if allowed to remain unchecked can wreak pure chaos with little to no understanding of where it came come. This may be a pretty long winded post, but I really thought about the questions you asked and tried to give the most thorough of answers that I could come up with.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@jermaineayivoh8263 Nonono, that was amazing, and I enjoyed reading all of this post. I'm the kind of guy that likes to leave no stone unturned so the more detailed the answer the better as far as I'm concerned. Thanks, and I largely agree with practically everything you said here, make a lot of sense!

[@ravneiv]

I have a friend that was looking to leave her boyfriend, and she was telling me about the different other guys she had her eyes on to replace him with and their pros and cons... one of them she disqualified because he didn't know what movie a stupid quote was from.

[@SpectralAI]

You already mentioned something in your universe and I definitely have a cabinet. I would swap the looks and personality. I've dated 5 thru 10's and the ones I liked the most were the 6's and 7's. But they were the nicest. And that makes sense since that's what I am.

[@arrowhead455]

It is really about survival. Each sex is looking for sex-specific traits that will keep a relationship the most safe and stable. At the end of the day, it’s still a gamble. What was once stable, can change because of the direction the wind blows. And in this society with the crumbling of the moral foundation and standards, exponentially difficult for success, unless the couple can resist this culture.

[@eandatoo]

It’s as risky and volatile as penny stocks lol 😂

[@rdkirk3834]

Another point is that if a man is ready and looking for a "keeper," he will decide quite quickly and move rapidly to "lock it down." If a man is content with just a "relationship" or a long, long, long "engagement," he doesn't see that woman as a keeper. Moreover, whenever he does decide he's ready for a keeper, it probably won't be that woman because _he's never seen her as a keeper before,_ so he probably won't suddenly see her as a keeper then.

[@lepotdefleur9906]

Even worse, the wants/needs change in the month, depending if she is seeking lust more(ovulating) , understanding ( the raging time) or security ( the rest of the month), not counting the effects of the pill does to their cycle/mood/body, if applicable . Yeah I m a guy so ...take it that as an observed generalization with my late mother, sister, friends and coworkers. edit or as some people would say: an anecdote.

[@Hallucitania]

Well. I appreciate your vulnerability on this one. That was incredibly courageous.

[@eyeofchorus6313]

A woman once said to me admiringly, "you could be so evil".

[@oopsdidItypethatoutloud]

Check out a book called "The manipulated man" by Esther Vilar A 1970... or 60s anti femanist woman ❤ from Northeast England ❤️

[@pabloramos369]

Great book! An eye opener. I read it in my childhood/early teen and along hearing my mother, teacher and principal of a girls school, so fed up about other XXs made me a red pilled guy decades before that was actually a term.

[@stayfree6115]

Also the predatory female.

[@ms-jl6dl]

1971. Good book.

[@oopsdidItypethatoutloud]

@ms-jl6dl I was going to say I need to revisit it. But it'd actually be visit it as I've only breezed through parts... I need to take my own advice

[@FergusHodgson]

The problem from the man's side is that finding a keeper is extremely difficult. Sleepers are a dime a dozen. Even if we want to move out of the sleeper zone, therefore, we struggle to do so. The women are stuck being sleepers, and men are stuck with a bunch of sleepers (or nothing at all). The vast majority of women have shown they do not care about being keepers. If they did, they would pay more attention to what men want: kindness, youth, fidelity, natural beauty/health, family orientation, respect for male leadership, etc. Good luck finding that.

[@current9455]

This is why under traditional families in the past kept the daughter Safe from the other 2 men’s compartments Fathers and brothers could tell what type of dude was bad news for her. She’d be mad they kept her away from him But by the time she matured and got married It Might not have been the Man she wanted but she ended up with the man she needed. Feminist and socialist Destroyed the family And polluted the young impressionable girls. Result = Loneliness l Man less childless Independance Depression

[@Alazar654]

Absolutely correct.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

I think women should have the right to choose the man they want to be with, BUT that requires a women to actually be able to really think about what she wants on a deeper level than most do, for her to be able to self reflect on a lot of things and of course to be mature. As such it's not really so much the fathers or brothers right to insist they marry a certain person and not others, so much as it is to guide them and stop the worst of the trashy guys from getting a chance at least until she's mature enough or wise enough on her own. obviously when that time comes for anyone particular women will vary greatly though.

[@current9455]

@@hoppeanofasgard1365 It’s her right to choose. It’s her responsibility to Deal with that choice.

[@hoppeanofasgard1365]

@@current9455 For the most part I agree with you, but fathers can't just take a back seat either. fathers not being there to guide their daughters largely results in the society we have today where men are frustrated that women have slept with to many guys and women are frustrated because they end up single at 35 with no future prospect of ever resolving that issue and ending up alone.

[@current9455]

@@hoppeanofasgard1365 Women are the gate keepers of s€x Men are the gatekeepers Of relationship’s. There are zero keepers.

[@VladislavBabbitt]

The PUA's are not concerned about what women want. They are concerned about what women respond to.

[@PantsofVance]

If she thinks Andrew Huberman is homely we're all in deep shit.

[@dogburrito]

Hahaah!. I've occupied EVERY cell on the complex female side of the chart.

[@MicharlQuaid]

LOVE the HO Math guy! You have a New subscriber right here lady

[@jonconver]

It’s not society breaking apart - it’s women “not knowing what’s good for them”. You said it yourself. Stability erodes attraction over time.

[@JermFaceKiLLa]

@25 minutes or so, thanks for sharing that about your father. That was beautiful. How you described how your father, made you feel safe, he sounds reliable, and wonderful. A win for masculinity I’d say!

[@user-kg2ez1eg2y]

This world is going to hell and they are pushing it there harder. What kind of world will our children get? Where is kindness, mercy, respect, self-respect? We need to change the world for the better!🙏

[@Alazar654]

I hear ya. But you see, that's the thing: Women do not prioritize kindness and stuff. In fact. they think a kind man is a weak man.

[@AnnetteCurtain-tc4mh]

What women want..Money pregnancy,and money.

[@corym.johnson7241]

I respect your honesty and self accountability. You give me hope for finding a woman of character. Good luck.

[@evildaddysteve]

I have made that same evolution from Libertarian to Conservatism. And now instead of grumbling about how messed up men and women are now, I realize that we had a hand in creating this disaster. I have learned as much from your interpretations as I have from Hoe Math. Thank You.

[@drscott35]

There is one flaw with your logic about a man picking one of his harem to have a relationship with. Once he picks just one, then he no longer has that as a "Bad Boy" trait and she will not value him as much. This happens a lot with married men. A woman that is interested in a married man wants him to leave his wife and pick her. However, as soon as he does that, she no longer is as interested in him and it usually ends with the man being single.

[@FarfromEden]

Good point, thank you

[@user-md6hg2cz3v]

We really enjoy the purple and green and blue hair. He forgot those traits.

[@eandatoo]

Oh and let’s not forget all those tattoos up and down their arms and legs “expressing themselves “ lol 😂

[@Totem9519]

You made me so happy to be a dad when you choked up when talking about your dad.

[@ruperterskin2117]

Right on. Thanks for sharing.

[@stargazer3828]

Women are ruled and guided by their emotions! Good guys don't trigger their emotions like a bad boy or a Chad which is why no matter what you do as a man once her emotions are no longer triggered or stimulated she loses respect and interest in you. There is a reason the term, "Good guys finish last!" is true when it comes to dating women!

[@Alazar654]

yup.

[@jessecain1646]

Good for you dear. I'm 57 been friends zoned a lot . I had a couple people tell me I'm no threatening . I am a short man 5 1 and I think my height and my personality is probably some of the reasons why I'm no threatening.

[@fishguru73]

I come from a broken home and have had foster mothers, a stepmother, multiple female siblings, and, of course, my biological mother to draw some conclusions about women over the course of my life and the women I have been involved with have proven what I have seen out of people in my own circle. The conclusion I've come to is that you are better to have peace in your life then to waste your emotional energy on women. Most of them are shallow narcissists that have this amazing ability to do horrible things and then act like it never happened.

[@chronobot2001]

Mgtow protects men brings peace and becomes an infinite source of amusement watching women freak out.

[@postworld1185]

Hoe Math is awesome. It would be great to see Hoe in a group session with men & women & have them describe themselves & relationship struggles & have Hoe put the men and women into the chart categories - then discuss with each what they can do to move out & up to a better category so that they become more attractive to others. Like Hoe's Uber story. Based on those facts w that girl - how/what can Hoe improve on to move into a more attractive category such that the girl would consider him? Everyone can become something better. Just look at high school profiles. Very few bad boys, alphas and hot models - everyone improved themselves and their optics/situation to become or at least appear to be what we see now. Anything can be fabricated - and most things usually are.

[@tsadaq144]

Forgot to mention that the good guy is for the follicular stage and the bad guy is for the luteal and ovulation stage. So unless you can contain her (like water)... she will cheat. Ecclesiasticus 25:25 - “Give the water no passage; neither a wicked woman liberty to gad abroad.”

[@breakingthemasks]

Holy crap! I just looked that up and you literally quoted it perfectly. I must have read that version many times... But I never actually really understood it until today. Daaang!

[@smiles7631]

That's the first time I seen that. Definitely brilliant. I'll tell you it makes me want to just give up. Honestly. On a better note, that was very sweet the way you think of your father. I could only hope that I was able to make some kind of impact on my step daughter. Great video!

[@DustyBoots-xs4ul]

I recall in psychology class decades ago that women (more often than not ) favors a man who exhibits traits of her father. Generally that’s true.

[@matthewridgeway9250]

Three months maximum, and if the potential partner is not where you want them to be, then end it. There MUST be a matched effort NOT BASED ON MONEY OR GIFTS that is realized for either party. Not the commitment time, but the time to commit to another six months.

[@nicolejenny3969]

I know it is just a movie, but I can help but think lately about "The Painted Veil." I loved it and saw it several times. I won't give anything away other than the fact that the woman ACTUALLY matures😂

[@xyzct]

You should do an episode on Coach Greg Adams' _Marriage Wheel._ THAT'S the eye-opener of the century.

[@anthonywilliams7052]

The husband zone is the simp zone but worse, just someone to use when they don't want to work and can take everything you have as soon as you get married. Not worth it.

[@Alazar654]

Unfortunately, this is the true reality of things :(

[@Hope_Boat]

Husband zone means different things depending on the laws of the land. In the US it's a business plan for women. Fing a rich dude. Marry him, divorce him and take half his assets and eventually alimony. Inost of the rest of the world this scam is not as easy. I know no European countrie where the wife gets half the assets of her ex. And even alimony dies not hurt you that much, and can't send you to jail. In Muslim countries divorce is men's privilege. In Asia, depends on the political regime. Communist China has eradicate baby girls for decades. As a result there is a scarcity of females. Otherwise being a man is valued in most of Asian culture and women have not the upper hand.

[@ruckboger]

@20:00 I think with men we tend to either think we can sway our woman or that she can have whatever opinion she wants as long as she doesn't push us into a moral dilemma that we don't want to be in. So, it's very similar but he's probably right in that it's probably not usually a hard requirement for us and instead fits into the personality box. It's probably also because women are complicated and not direct about what they want, so we default to just wanting an agreeable personality.

[@GunneyRat]

Was pretty special watching a ladies reaction to this information. Thanks

[@T.Bonner]

What keeps women in situationships is believing men have galaxies instead of cabinets.

[@nico.brito_19]

this is the best video from hoe_math

[@Alazar654]

Players create single motherhood....People ignore this.

[@TheBestPill-no2xp]

Single mothers create players. People still don't realize this.

[@SoloRenegade]

nope, women create single mothers Women control access to sex (needed to create kids) Women destroy relationships (hence them being single) Women choose bad boys who wont commit to them Women refuse to marry good men and stick with them

[@Richard_AKL]

Women choose players. People ignore this.

[@ST-TV]

Woman has 100% control over who gets inside her body AND who comes out of her body. YOU are part of the problem.

[@TheBestPill-no2xp]

Single mothers raise players. People ignore this.

[@AntoineDennison]

I was touched listening to you talk about your dad...

[@homonoia78]

Thank you Erin, great video! This chart and the comments made by the guy opens up the possibility of commenting about many interesting points. Your comments enrich the exposition brilliantly. I am glad that I am mgtow because how it all works has always looked to me too programmatic after many years observing people's behaviour with their opposite gender. It is as if men and women had a calculator inside their head and they were behaving according to the results of the same set of formulas, as if people had been born with the same human programs installed concerning the selection and behaviour with the other gender. The program I am following is a sort of christian mgtow, understanding that my reason to be in this world is trying to be a better person everyday, pay or repair or learn from the mistakes i have made, and keep working and making efforts to conduct myself perfectly in life from a christian point of view. Thank you so much for the video, it is so nice to see you and listening to you! Thank you Erin and God bless you! 🙋💫🌹

[@gkdaniels1]

I absolutely get your point, but I think you’re wrong that it was less complicated before the breaking part of The nuclear family and society, I think more accurately it would be that the nuclear family was intact, and women learned these things from their fathers, and men learn these things from their mothers, and so they had a much better understanding of how the opposite sex worked. Couple that with the guard rails of religious boundaries, and being geographically locked to a relatively small area, and it’s inhabitants, and you get a recipe for relationships working much more smoothly than they do today. I’m not sure that we can ever go back on globalization and social media , breaking the geographical constraints of relationships. I think that monkey has been let out of the bag, but we can reinstitute the constraints of religion, and re-introduce the influence of the nuclear family so that men and women both have a better understanding of the other sex and how to attract and keep a mate .

[@Jason-rg9pi]

Stay away, she'll catch you in her web

[@crimsonpotemkin]

I remember randomly stumbling upon that channel and after listening for about 20 mints all I could say was: "Alright, let him cook."

[@albertinofernandes8842]

"How stupid for society to believe that emotionally driven beings will behave rationally or voluntarily make sacrifices for the collective good"

[@michaeloden9808]

I don’t want to play anymore and I realize that that’s okay. MGTOW for life.