Do Xenogenders Really Hurt Anyone?

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[@godlesssnowshoe]

EDIT: Part 2 is up! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYXNgqxvo9l3bJY Please respond or like this comment if youre interested in a part two, encompassing specific times its been harmful and the culture surrounding xenos!

[@Silly-The-Third]

me bro

[@marbxr]

Yes pls, I really want to hear other’s opinions on this

[@S0CIAL__P4RASITE]

im interested

[@TrashLuvr1234]

I really appreciate you making videos on these things. I share your thoughts on these topics but I’m too scared to say anything about it lol

[@Palatidd]

Yes, I would like part two.

[@viictor7961]

It just doesn't make sense calling it "gender". I've seen on tiktok people who identify as "stawberrycatgender"... How are you even supposed to transition to "strawberrycatgender"? I guess you could feel your identity is related to "strawberrycats", but why call it a gender? Why not simply use the term "xenoidentities" (I think there's even some subreddits for it), when it encapsulates the phenomenon in a more precise way, with the bonus of not appropriating transness?

[@wishfuldorian]

Oh man xenoidentities make SO much more sense!!! I never heard of that before but holy shit it is definitely infinite times better than calling it genders!

[@DoodlebugDrawz]

same, calling it a gender when some peoples arguements is that its just about “pronouns” is insane

[@UczuciaTM]

Because it’s how our gender is experienced, cry about it lol

[@fayescornerr]

@@UczuciaTM bruh 💀💀. I’m sorry but that’s literally just not how gender works, cry abt it lmao. did you even watch the video, or did you just search up “xenogender” and comment on every negative video because you’re a fucken crybaby that can’t take an argument?

[@kalistaredacted2808]

@@wishfuldorian I agree, in fact, xenoidentities could possibly be queer identities (queer identity = gender + culture + gender expression + possibly other things, not necessarily just gender which is how female/male/nonbinary you are), but hell no they do not make sense as genders.

[@thecriticalgoldfish1608]

I’ve actually heard of a better term for Xenogenders recently: Xenoids. (I think that’s what it’s called) basically, “Xenoids” are things to collect about your personality and likes: you like cats? You can get a cat Xenoid. The good thing about this alternative is that they don’t force people into the trans community, and these don’t have to be scientific: if the Xenogender people want to have fun, just use Xenoids, since they aren’t harmful to the trans or autistic communities. They also focus on what Xenogenders really are: just collecting things like aesthetics and things you like. Would it be seen as “cringe” by a lot of people? Sure. Is it harmful to the Autistic or trans community? No.

[@maryannrolrol1]

Thanks for this!! I actually created an xenoid without knowing about it (i called it an "xenogender but not really a gender").

[@Bela13]

so many autistic people don't find it hurtful, I can't say by myself but I already saw some autistic xenogender people. In my opinion, those things aren't from your personality, but it is in your opinion. Some xenogenders are really gendered feelings, of course, you can have cat clothing or be a cat but your feeling isn't connected to gender right?

[@Bela13]

@@ikyou6824 that’s strange but I have a similar opinion to yours, most of my xenogenders aren’t related to my gender in reality, I collect them for fun, because it’s my hyperfixation. But for example Dudegender is a xenogender related to the word dude, you use this word to call boys and masculine people, I’m a girl but I feel comfortable using this word. So the word it is related to my gender, I feel a connection to it inside of me. The anxiety gender means that when the person feels anxiety it can affect their gender, for some reason, for autigender autism can make you have a different gender, many autistic people use this label. Hope that I explained well

[@РигельПетров]

this is interest my friend

[@lovefool_666]

That's actually valid. As a person under the trans umbrella, Xenogenders seem really stupid to me, and Xenopronouns are basically nicknames. Xenoids seem pretty ok to me, maybe even something that I would do (aka collecting aestethics)

[@wishfuldorian]

Xenogenders honestly just feel like theyre descriptions to how someone present themselves. Something like a fashion trend? Kinda like goth but made ultra specific. (such as dressing like a character they kin, animal aesthetic, etc). I think it would benefit everyone if they're separated from genders because honestly? Relating stuff that inspires your style to gender doesn't make sense at all (nd adhd diagnosed person speaking). But especially the depression gender thing is so... weird?? I have chronic depression and yeah it is a constant in my life, but to mix that with gender? that's so weird??? Just say you like to dress with dark colors and baggy stuff or something...

[@lumerii8559]

I agree. It's literally just aesthetics and things they're interested in

[@lunawolfheart336]

Exactly. I love wolves and dinos but me putting on a dinosaur shirt dosent make me dinosaur gender. I'm kinda obsessed with stitch at the moment. I've developed a Collection. I am not stitch gender.

[@starbeary]

yeah i literally saw a xenogender for a roblox character-

[@kalistaredacted2808]

@Shadowmightyyeen My pronouns are dreamSMP/amogus/fag respect them or else you are bigot! /j (I LITERALLY SAW SOME PEOPLE USE THOSE AS PRONOUNS BEFORE NO JOKE ;-; )

[@fried_icecubes]

I think xenogenders need another name

[@djsjadhdjzjsj4775]

Using autism as an argument for these things never sat right with me either😬 great video

[@lunawolfheart336]

I was watching an interview with that wolf girl who happens to be trans. You know the meme " I'm a wolf in every way but physically". Anyway even she cringed at people saying they are wolf gender as wolf is not a gender. There are female wolves. So if someone who literally identifies with wolves in a spiritual manner is cringing at xenogenders you know you got a problem

[@godlesssnowshoe]

yeah i saw that too 😭like im sorry xenos are bottom of the barrel

[@Ieatbatteries1]

She is not a xenogenders, she is a therian. Also she never said that someone put the caption there and she is very upset by it.

[@listener709]

Xenogender waters trans identity into a fashion statement

[@zootzbootz]

it literally doesn't though?

[@bovinearrogance]

@@zootzbootz nah it really kinda does. Dont ask me to refer to you as a cat unless you look and act like a cat. Commit to the bit or dont talk to me.

[@zootzbootz]

@@bovinearrogance it really definitely doesn't. maybe actually educate yourself on what xenogenders actually ARE. and why people use them. or idk grow up and let people identify how they identify. because it hashtag doesn't effect you you're no better than queerphobes getting pissy at people for being gay in general. they see us literally all the same.

[@bovinearrogance]

@saccharinecarousel I deadass when to a whole fucking subreddit for Xenogeneers and researched them myself. not only can yall not stick to one definition, but any slight uncertainty of "I dont think it's right to do this" And you all go blasting people saying "YOURE HOMOPHOBIC YOUR RACIST YOU BIGOT!!" It is perhaps the biggest textbook display of not just gatekeeping but also far-left ideology I've ever fuckin seen in my life. And I took a fucking class on gender studies.

[@bovinearrogance]

@@zootzbootz If I meet/am forced to work with someone who does Identify with Xenogender it VERY MUCH does affect me as a neurodivergent. I dont give a shit what yall do on your own platforms. But don't you DARE lable me a fucking queerphobe just because I dont agree to whatever weird shit yall do in your own circles. Thats exactly the kinda shit I hate about far left people and I'm a goddamn queer myself. Im not avocating for outlawing Xeno's im not tying to take your rights or get your circles banned from platforms or ANY of that shit. THE ONLY THING IM DOING is expressing an opinion I have. Take that as you will but dint you go fucking throwing around "Phobias" at people. It's disrespectful as shit especially to those in the community.

[@serpie2482]

God it hurts thinking trans children might get sucked into this and end up in the toxic inclus rabbit hole, knowing if I had gone to the online trans community earlier I might end up there too.

[@crows_nest1873]

I honestly didn’t understand xenogenders well. When I looked it up it said that the genders were metaphorical. Like someone who is foxgender has a gender that is sly like a fox not and actual fox? It didn’t make sense, because how can feelings and brain science be metaphorical? So I brushed it off, “as long as it doesn’t harm anyone it’s fine, right?” Watched your other Xenogender vids too and I kind of got it at that point. However, this cleared everything up for me on what’s going on. I think you should do a part two. Thanks!! (the trans community is so messy, this is fun /j/s)

[@nebulonicc]

Wow are we literally the same person? Anyway I'm really glad you made this video! I'm not currently officially(!!) diagnosed with BPD or autism, but my therapist (who has a psych.d) has said that I can act as if I am diagnosed for the purpose of treatment. I have been tested and am currently waiting for the results, but I am confident that I will be getting a diagnosis, as both my therapist and group therapist agree with me. Anyway, all that to say, your points about BPD and autism affecting gender presentation but not actual gender were really well thought out and explained. I think the main issue is just people conflating gender expression with gender, and not realizing that the two are entirely different concepts. We can (and should!) acknowledge that BPD and autism affect gender presentation, sometimes heavily for some people, but that it can't change someone's innate biological characteristics.

[@AD-ts6gq]

So glad you made this It would be nice to see more “harm of” explanation videos for your other opinions. Self-diagnosis is a big one. I can give you my own personal opinion as someone who has been affected by it as well if you ever decide to make one of those vids.

[@punkrat5704]

@@AD-ts6gq I would agree, but there's people who self diagnose as a temporary thing because they can't and don't have access to a professional or someone that can actually diagnose them. So classifying it entirely as a harmful thing is disingenuous I know that was 2 years ago you made that comment, I just felt like I needed to say something because I use self diagnosis as a temporary fix until I can get someone that tells me what's actually wrong with my brain.

[@dragoness777]

3:43 Okay so I'm going to be nitpicky and use my anthropology studies to go on a rant about the "gender is a social construct" thing. Especially in academic settings, when people say that gender or race are social constructs, this is not saying that gender or race aren't based on our assumptions about biology or appearance. In nature, neither race nor gender exist, the world is inherently genderless and doesn't distinguish based on race. A social construct is entirely based on social concepts that is tied to *human* observation in relation to *other humans* to create *human* categories or castes. That is why people relate gender to biological sex (including the desire to change it or the lack thereof), and race to skin and hair colors. So anthropologically, xenogenders can either be classified as a radical leftist fringe movement that challenges gender concepts, or an ideological or identity-based community that has similar characteristics (that being, the management of identity as a individualistic statement using the language of gender minorities), but collectively xenogenders are positively understood to be "fringe non-binary/third/fourth genders" and negatively to be a social group with characteristics that can keep people in the group feeling persecuted or alienated. When a xenogender person is talking about a social construct being made up, it can actually be quite harmful not only to the understood notion of gender identities that is accepted in queer studies, feminist and anthropology topics, but also the racial aspects that create cultures that are described by the primary race that acts within these cultures (I say "primary race" because is someone is adopted into a culture that acts in a different racial sphere as the race that the adopted child is perceived to belong to, that person is understood to be transracial, which has nothing to do with any desire to change their race or having an identity that is tied to gender via race, rather it describes the fact one racial identity acculturated into racially defined household. The meaning of "transracial"as a desire to change one's literal race is about as new as the concept of xenogenders. Kat Blaque interviewed someone years ago who grew up in a transracial household that can go into more detail about that). So yes gender is a social construct but that doesn't mean you can simply define anything as a gender and be taken seriously because *that is how social construction works*. It is constructed into the mechanisms of society based on observation of biology or realism and therefore xenogenders need to create a framework of social construction that has a human framework, which if we take the definition of xenogenders literally is impossible as most xenogenders are defined as beyond-human experiences or as concepts that are not commonly accepted as genders. A xenogender might be able to be accepted as a distinct gender when the majority of people consider that specific xenogender to have a human framework for a social role related to gender, but most xenogender people will insist that their gender experience is beyond human concepts of gender and therefore that xenogender is not likely to be understood by most humans as a gender, rather an identity based on experiencing sensations or interests. Gender as it is understood in sociology is the result of your relationship with your birth sex combined with social expectations and roles for your gender expression. This is why some cultures consider gay men, especially bottoms and cross-dressers, to be a different class of female (Like the Hijra gender identity in India, or Arab cultures using feminine pronouns for gay men) while other cultures distinguish your gender and its expression from your sexuality (so a gay man would be a person gendered as a man who is attracted to men or masculine genders, not necessarily a man who is "feminine" or "unmanly" in his social and intimate preferences). TL;DR: Gender (and race) being a social construct is not a basis to ignore biological traits that inform the social experiences of cisgender, transgender, and non-binary people (and ethinic/racial identities). Social construction also must be enforced by social actions and affiliations and xenogenders, while also being potential subjects for anthropological research, do not have this enforcement on their side for widespread acceptance beyond "a subculture for non-binary/third gender/queer identities that defy commonly accepted understandings of gender". Some resources for further reading for any of y'all interested (first polls experts on racial social construction, the second is based on teaching students about gender, the third is an essay about social construction that considers theories as they related to biological realism): Opinions and statistics on race as social construct vs biological feature: d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/41828609/The_Educational_Expectations_of_South_Af20160131-12141-1i3ne2v-libre.pdf?1454296827=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DThe_Educational_Expectations_of_South_Af.pdf&Expires=1707549680&Signature=Gvq1h6Ny3dOsnm8YZbtzjEEBd4zQExhG32zCSwKONhDyXCQS3URbu5-l2aDjxNEMqn4HVPmE3R-Ap8gWqWUj~LjHYpbQYsqwF21cH5Dyufi2Sh1sbEaZDNZdYDB2WVQk1p-pSJJM6FYbuXVkTaaApN5EydmfaGgrzcDuObC~zaVy2gMgSpZKzSVsh5xrYSSQKAvXEe62xva7G0LxJpJtkNSvjUNwqR2OUUjiPDGx7mZallTun1uZtpjb4va6T65-su2VTf3c93QHBb~i9g91wNyqWLLxONeaeNb02sssYXWnyhWC6ZQZuAEdoRRMbyM3KCSvlluBV5pnNuoBrMhUBA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA#page=105 Pedological study of teaching social constructionism: www.researchgate.net/profile/Dana-Berkowitz/publication/238435910_Walk_Like_a_Man_Talk_Like_a_Woman_Teaching_the_Social_Construction_of_Gender/links/56a810c508ae860e0255aafc/Walk-Like-a-Man-Talk-Like-a-Woman-Teaching-the-Social-Construction-of-Gender.pdf What is Social Construction?: d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/47788759/ejop12033-libre.pdf?1470323236=&response-content-disposition=inline%3B+filename%3DWhat_Is_Social_Construction.pdf&Expires=1707550132&Signature=M4GoNnhI5sPGjdL93aNyB7j80qqs-w4V4RaVMD-Ju64facAcI0AcZepzTj5mw7okMACN1~A06O2GQ3Cq5kynNqPez6rnCpm2Md~bSi0GUa0MUWDC4Nku~fhox2REdheegM3kpZxoB~ozqFW2WmpOL2Loy2CpRmZZ7z2nIfqY3v1K1Sp7yVBdybN~3z~I7aXFFvHV~IhK4aOuShvZ0GqyJvNFHLdPGhVxnIVTWyibLoXvdcfoTroT8ZxWpIIjhVZ62b8upR56FOtWVfH5Cps3HawknRTaCePiPbEk~AlXKkHaxWKJjovkPkrWVAaCD3E37dtzKQyI-Cl2NFE1-ivUfg__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA Feel free to ask me any anthropological terminology questions or my personal opinion about all this. To disclose my experiential biases, I'm a white pansexual cis female with androgynous gender presentation.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

this is a crazy interesting comment and I appreciate you not only taking the time to write it but for providing sources! I'll admit this is an older video and definitely not worded the best, I intend to remake it because i think my understanding of what a social construct is has become more accurate since making it (I stand by gender having a basis in neurology but I tend to say gender as a personal experince is both social and neurological/psychological, as in outside social settings and expectations, atm) I do think the way xenogenders and the kinda "dismantle gender" "gender isnt real" type stuff playing into cultural and racial things is also very interesting, its honestly something that I hadn't thought too deeply into, so I really appreciate that being brought up! side note, it really sucks the word transracial has been taken over by weird ass people, i knew it as transracial adoptees because of a friend i had as a kid so it's weird and irritating to see most people mainly associate it with like, transgender but trans race. I also did have one question if ur alright with it! im not sure which video this was in, possibly this one? but one thing I've mentioned is that dysphoria for trans people would be present without the social concept of gender existing, like say someone lived alone on a desert island kind of thing. (or more realisticly, there was a point with my own mental health/alcoholism where I did not leave my apartment/ see anyone in person for around 3 months, i just stayed home and drank, and I still experinced gender dysphoria despite basicly being a recluse ^^; still used my binder, too my HRT, etc) obviously these studies are not 100% conclusive but there is string evidence to suggest dysphoria arises as a result of brain abnormalities in relation to biological sex, and that disconnected would exist regardless of cultural or social expectations for gender (specificly regarding primary sex characteristics, not nessasrily things that could be cultural such as hair, clothing, or weight/muscles/ etc) would you you say that gender is 100% a social construct because like you said social constructs are still observable or based in physical reality, or would that aspect no longer be a social construct as it could exist in a person regardless of their cultural or social context?

[@dragoness777]

@@godlesssnowshoe The simple answer for me is that social construction is based on biological construction and therefore we require an understanding of humanity that acknowledges the biological basis of our social constructs, especially since the earliest known human social structures (hunter-gatherers) were actually more egalitarian in gender roles historically however do not have the same access to sex changing resources that is available in industrial societies. I'll go a lot further to argue that stance, though. Socially abolishing gender, as extreme postgenderists might advocate for, will not stop people from transitioning their birth sex, and abolishing race will not stop people from having blacker or whiter skin. In fact in the current social climate I think the advocacy to erase gender or race from our ideas of social construction will also advocate for the abolishment of many racially based cultures as well as the gender discourse that is advocating for accessible resources to help transgender people navigate both their biological transition and social framework to be recognized as the gender that is innate to their neurology. Since human social construction is based on the observations we have about our own biology, social construction is inherently based on biological construction too, and while there are anthropologists that believe all societies are solely socially constructed (usually radical leftist/feminists) and anthropologists hold firmly the belief that biological construction is inherent to society (typically older people who adhere to racist conspiracy theories - yes there are still nazi anthropologists out there, figuratively and literally), I think that the observations of biological anthropologists that study human genetics (even of racial and gender categories) and psychologists that study gender in relation to neurology have both proven that there are biological differences in people that is the basis of social construction. There is a biologist on KZbin (Forrest Valkai) who has some firsthand observations of human biological sex as well as a relatively deep understanding of how sex is expressed, he made a video called "Sex and Sensibilities" that defends both transgender and intersex identities, and goes into detail about how sex is expressed in humans deeper than I can accurately articulate, but in short even in biology, one's biological sex (as well as their sexual orientation) is a relatively fluid thing and the general categories that we have basically just say "this is our observations but there are a lot of exceptions and extremities in this observation". Biologists don't determine most of the factors as abnormalities but simply variations (or mutations) since the vast majority of them don't affect the organism in a life threatening way. There are so many combinations of chromosomal, hormonal and physical possibilities that the only way to really determine how "female" or "male" someone is biologically is it do a complete DNA sequence. And I put that in air quotes because it has to do mostly with genes that do not really care what biological sex is, only the biochemistry that could theoretically be expressed based on factors we don't entirely comprehend yet. And even outside of that, this is ignoring things like the fact that you can do things to change traits most people link to biological sex (for example, people with hips that are biologically designed to give birth by being short and wide can technically make those hip bones thicker and longer more similar to people who were born without that feature just by riding a horse, because that thicker and longer hip shape offers more stability on the horse while also being the result of consistent physical activity that demands anticipation from the body to experience physical strain from the activity, and therefore the bones will change as the person gets more accustomed to riding horses) Relating this to race again, in biology classes that I had conversations about sickle cell anemia (which many people, including my own mother, assume is a racially dependent disease), there was also admission that the reason we see see many biological traits more often in certain racial groups not just because the gene pool is distinct in different regions, but also because it's adaptations; sickle cell anemia is when two recessive genes for sickle cell is expressed, the reason that can happen is because having a heterozygous sickle cell gene is a biological advantage against malaria and is commonly expressed in African descendent cultures but not European descendent cultures. That's one of many reasons that when I went to Africa, I had to take malaria medication but the natives were fine if they didn't. It has little to do with race but we associate both resistance to malaria and sickle cell disease to Africans and African-Americans because their bodies adapted to a different climate compared to Europeans and white Americans, even though biologically speaking it's entirely possible for a white person to carry sickle cell genes. Also just anecdotally, people can *tell* if you are gay, trans, neurodivergent from a very young age, even if it's not overtly expressed or socially understood that way. That's kind of part of the reason gay people and neurodivergent people report simply "clicking" with other gay and neurodivergent people even if they are unware that the labels also apply to them and sometimes even before they have said a word to each other, because there are social ways to determine someone's gayness or nuerodivergence (such as posture, dress, mannerism and even actions) and biologists have observed consistent patterns of nuerological differences in gay and neurodivergent brains too (compared to hetero neurotypical brains). There has to be something biological about social construction and how it is preformed, otherwise there would be fewer consistencies in how people are perceived culturally. How else would you explain multiple cultures talking about people living as opposite genders, multiple religions have laws about intersex children that make some room for a third gender, evidence of gay stereotypes and marriage as far back as ancient Egypt (at least) and just generally cultural ways that are similar to the arguments and difficulties that queer people today face? So in short, I'm of the opinion that arguing that social construction has no basis in biological observation is ignoring the fact humans categorize based on appearance, neurology and experience. But at the same time, if you argue that everything is biologically constructed, you have to come up with why humans have a social relationship with observable biological innateness, and in my knowledge and experience the simplest way to explain that is social construction. You cannot have social construction without a basis and humans socially construct based on biological observations, whether we understand observations as biological or not. Therefore, social construction is both the entirety of human cultural interaction while simultaneously being dependent on multiple biological factors, in a sense being both "100%" and also somewhat arbitrary. Never insignificant or "made up", but consistently arbitrary. Ultimately both gender and race are social concepts to explain biological observations such as dysphoria, perception based on birth sex, perception based on skin color, idiolect (aka, how an individual speaks) and other biologically determined traits like hair. Humans will care to categorize all those little things even though nature is more complicated than categories because categories is a framework in which humans understand the world culturally, linguistically and intellectually. In saying that, being transgender or transsexual is more of a social understanding to explain the biological relationship an individual has with their own body. Dysphoria will exist without social construction because it is a biological reaction to sex characteristics, but the theoretical abolishment of gender as a social concept will need to create a new framework for understanding that dysphoria, and part of the reason I don't think many people advocate for gender abolition is because many transgender individuals I've spoken to (I'll be disregarding cis people for this statement but many feel similarly) feel strongly about how their gender is socially perceived because it relates to their relationship with their body and how they desire to act socially (especially people like my fiancée who is so gender dysphoric that it has affected our intimacy even as I supported her, and despite the fact I met her and see her as the woman she presents as when other people in her life don't respect her identity). Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment and sharing your experiences about all this as well! It took me a long time to write this but I wanted to contribute as much as possible to both my personal understanding of it and what other people consider when answering the question of what is "100% socially constructed".

[@slug13]

late to the party but this vid really goes hard. i'm trans and neurodivergent myself and i physically cringe whenever someone actually takes xenogenders seriously 😭

[@kalistaredacted2808]

Here is my take: IMO xenogenders are not harmful at all, it is just a radical-as-anarcho-communism take on gender ideology and the definition. However it would be a very fslurtarded thing for a xenic believer to do to force other people to believe in xenogenders as genders under threats of being marked as transphobic. Xenogenders are a radical-as-anarcho-communism concept that is way to the left of the overton window and they make no sense as they are not related at all to gender which is kind of an extension of sex (specifically neurological sex) based on the concepts of male, female, and nonbinaryism, unless in a radical-as-anarcho-communism definition of gender. But you don't need to be radical-as-anarcho-communism to be considered progressive and not be accused of bigotry, you just need to be reasonably progressive and accept nonbinary genders. People who are the type to force xenogenders down the throat or say you're either a ancom or fascist are leftard purists who shouldn't be taken seriously and are as closeminded, annoying, and threatening as bigots. Everybody please feel free to reply to me on your thoughts and opinions, I want to hear and understand your point of view

[@eepykittyz]

Definitely would love a part two, I agree completely. Tysm for the based vid

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Part two will be up within a week or two! Glad people are interested because I have a LOT more to say lol

[@eepykittyz]

@@godlesssnowshoe nice, I’ll be looking forward to it!

[@Silly-The-Third]

wake up babe snowshoe posted a new video

[@PurpleTheTapricorn915]

Ngl I feel like the xenogender community is just trying to turn being trans into an aesthetic. Cuz when you look at xenogender flags they’re always cutesy-pastel colored and based off of stuff like cats, stars, fruits, stuff like that. It almost feels like they’re trying to appropriate being transgender into something that’s cute and quirky when that’s not what it is. I’ve seen ppl on Tiktok with like 50+ xenos as if they’re pokemon cards. And if you ever criticize them their only ever argument is “It doesnt affect you” and to that I say yeah, it may not affect me, but ppl have many discussions over topics that don’t affect them so that’s not really a good comeback.

[@Seb_lynx]

As a nonbinary person xenogenders just really make me feel like my identity has been turned into nothing but a joke people saying nonbinary is the same as trans when in reality it’s not because I had a different experience of gender compared to a actual trans person so things like godgender and catgender to me feel like not just me but all trans and nonbinary people are being mocked because of how all the misinformation that has been spreading around the internet

[@DarkeWiing]

I want to say thank you for these videos about Xenogenders! I'm still fairly new to learning about the trans community, and everything I heard up until I found these videos said that gender is a social construct. Xenogenders always felt kind of off to me though, but I kind of just accepted it as fact since I didn't know there was another side. You present your side of the argument in a very educated way, and a few of the questions I had have been pretty much cleared up, aside from a few personal ones. Thank you!

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I'm glad i was able to help you see both sides! A lot if people censor this side if the argument which i really feel says a lot about their ability to argue their point 😅

[@DarkeWiing]

@@godlesssnowshoe Yeah, I find it really annoying when an entire side of an argument/discussion is censored out. It definitely makes the side trying to censor it look untrustworthy.

[@Kamilp03]

Is aliengender harmful or is it a actual thing? I saw the whole video and I still don't understand

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@Kamilp03 its not a real thing

[@UczuciaTM]

Don’t listen to this person’s bs lmao.

[@birdbrain_jay]

i didn’t understand how xenogenders could be bad/harmful until you made these videos so thank you!

[@kalistaredacted2808]

Here is my take: IMO xenogenders are not harmful at all, it is just a radical-as-anarcho-communism take on gender ideology and the definition. However it would be a very fslurtarded thing for a xenic believer to do to force other people to believe in xenogenders as genders under threats of being marked as transphobic. Xenogenders are a radical-as-anarcho-communism concept that is way to the left of the overton window and they make no sense as they are not related at all to gender which is kind of an extension of sex (specifically neurological sex) based on the concepts of male, female, and nonbinaryism, unless in a radical-as-anarcho-communism definition of gender. But you don't need to be radical-as-anarcho-communism to be considered progressive and not be accused of bigotry, you just need to be reasonably progressive and accept nonbinary genders. People who are the type to force xenogenders down the throat or say you're either a ancom or fascist are leftard purists who shouldn't be taken seriously and are as closeminded, annoying, and threatening as bigots. Everybody please feel free to reply to me on your thoughts and opinions, I want to hear and understand your point of view

[@impish3333]

Also idk if you take video requests, but if you haven’t already, i think it would be interesting to have a video highlighting the differences between the lgbt+ community online and the community irl. Because in my experience, the difference seems to be so different, like picture the vibes you get walking into a “queer” discord server full of 13 yr olds vs perhaps a lgbt presentation at a pride parade

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I would absoutly LOVE to talk about that! Most of my irl friends are also LGBT and i went to a "queer prom" in 2016, and the school i went to in 8-9th grade was almost all lgbt people (it was for people who didn't fit in well in traditional public school, so a lot of bullied lgbt kids ended up there) so I've def been in a lot of irl queer spaces throughout my life 😅 I do feel like it may present an issue that geography and the culture where you live, even just in various parts of the US, can HEAVILY effect yoir experience so I'm not sure how I'd frame my experience in a meaningful way but its def something I'll consider!

[@impish3333]

@@godlesssnowshoe sounds great! :) also I totally see what you mean by the environment of the irl place effects the experience, ive been to irl queer places that felt like irl twitter unfortunately, with people making fun of cishets for simply being cishets and even a person making fun of anyone who identified as a man or woman which was pretty ridiculous. However I have found there seem to be alot of good irl communities that seem to offer a good and much more realistic perspective of the lgbt+ community

[@BlurryNova]

Im Nerodivergent, and have been identifying as Non-Binary for a couple of years now. I heard about neo-xeno genders around the time I started exploring trans spaces as I began entering multiple gender crisis. Even now I still sway between being NB and possibly being fully trans and its been really fucking difficult to cope with. I was still fairly new to the queer community in general at this time, coming from a conservative, religious household, breaking free from the bigoted views I grew up hearing has been a battle. Wanting to be as open minded and empathetic as I could, I avoided questioning of neo-xeno genders(I avoided questioning a lot of things actually...) even though my first interactions and knowledge of them gave me red flags. It honestly confused me. As someone who also struggles with a lack of self identity, constantly molding my personality to fit whatever character I was hyperfixating on, it still never made sense to me to make that part of me, revolve around my gender. Like I agree, gender is a part of our personality, it does play a role in who we are, but the concept of taking my interests, like art or music, and turning it into my gender identity felt... Childish. And from what I've observed, the vast amount of people who are gun-ho for these types of genders are minors. Its why, even though I disagree with them, I refuse to be harsh about them(not that you are, your definitely imo being as respectful as one can with sharing a differing opinion and concerns). You opened my eyes to why I had felt so off and even uncomfortable when I first heard about them. Im extremely upset that there's people using it as an excuse to continue with toxic behavior and warping things like mental disorders into a quirky gender makes me fear the amount of harmful stereotypes and stigmas that could be developed against the Nerodivergent community. It really just sounds like people using them as a filler for a part of themselves they don't understand. And even a little bit of them wanting to feel unique which in of itself isn't bad, but when it perpetuates harmful rhetoric and creates misinformation that brings possible harm to a community, it becomes a problem.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I love comments like this, thank you! I definitely understand the personality and gender thing too- idk if this was the video I mentioned it in but ik in one video i mentioned how my lack of identity from my bpd can make me heavily latch onto certian characters, sometimes to an unhealthy degree, and that it definitely effects how i present in terms of fem or masc, but that people need to learn that gender being PART of our identity and personality dosent make them synonyms, one is a small portion of the other... Also I think that's a totally valid reason to have supported them in the past tbh- ik a lot of people will kinda "over correct" for past word veiws and it really just takes time to gather enough information about each veiw to have a well formulated opinion :)

[@impish3333]

This was a very insightful video! And to be honest, I’ve never met someone else who has also recognized the issue with neurodivergent people claiming xenogenders are ok because they are simply part of being neurodivergent. I remember having a conversation about xenogenders with a diagnosed autistic person who used them, I was asking them why they appealed to them. They responded saying “Well I like to describe my gender as having qualities like fluffyness or shinyness,” and they also said “you wouldn’t be able to understand because your not autistic” I honestly think that autistic people labeling their gender as things not even related to gender is in a way alienating them from society and I don’t think they even realize it. Its only worse when if they go online, they are automatically accepted as being trans when in reality, I don’t know any trans person who would accept them as trans

[@xavins_boxx4227]

When I first discovered Xenogenders and Nounselfpronouns existed, I tried to understand it and when I eventually did, I saw people identify as "I'm BLMgender! I use Blm/Blmself" and other stuff. That gave me mixed feelings about Xenos at that moment. I supported Xenos and Nounselves for a while as long as they weren't using harmful stuff. When I watched most your Xenogender videos, it again gave me a mixed feeling, but I can agree that neurodivergence cant be an entire gender identity. I currently have no opinion on Xenos as I type this but I'm starting to think they are harmful to the Trans community. I'm hoping this isn't read as a hate comment, but if it is I'm sorry about that.

[@BOKUWANAZE]

That is most likely bait.

[@Mansour4reall]

I dont think anyone is serious if they say their pronouns are "BLM/BLMself"

[@Afrospherist]

As a black person, these people are crazy, these niggas should be locked up

[@dragoness777]

This was the same thing with me. I looked into galaxygender and other cosmic specific xenogenders as well as therian animalkins and the whole thing just made me feel a lot more confused because half of it felt like science denial and the other half felt like trying to describe an obsession or aesthetic.

[@Æuvelity]

I can’t believe y’all fall for bait

[@Dave_the_Haregator]

As a bigender autistic person, I feel like xenogenders/neopronouns are the same thing as the transphobic "I identify as an attack helicopter" joke. :/

[@Dave_the_Haregator]

@@Extremelycreativename Ew, those guys are the worst.

[@TrashyPeachy_]

True, I've seen people saying that dreamgender is valid 🤦‍♀️

[@mittensthecatfurry]

@@TrashyPeachy_ dream as in the minecraft guy?

[@TrashyPeachy_]

@@mittensthecatfurry yes

[@mittensthecatfurry]

@@TrashyPeachy_ wow, my respect for my generation depletes more every day.

[@wigi-gum6093]

You made some great points that I can definitely agree with. I think the only issue I have is in regards to contributing detransitioning to xeno. But even than I see your points. I'm compiling some studies and surveys together to get a better idea of the issue of detransitioning. One UK study that surveyed a pool of about 3398 patients who had gone through some level of medical transitioning from 2016 to 2017. And only 16(0.47%) reported regret. 2 had expressed regret and was considering detransitioning, 3 had detransitioned, and 10 had temporarily detransitioned. So that means that only 3 people out 3398 people in 2016/2017 detransitioned. And the idea of gender being a social construct did exist then. I do want to find a more recent survey so it can be more relevant to the current time.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

next video has some sources in the description! its uploading rn :>

[@wigi-gum6093]

@@godlesssnowshoe oh hell yeah

[@Ellie_slayyyy]

I once saw a n word/n word self gender. I swear I lost 10 brain cells

[@Mansour4reall]

Thats…not valid

[@adamnasir2]

​@@Mansour4reall No Xenogenders are

[@carnival_klownz]

If yall think someone is serious when they say that,thats on you

[@kalistaredacted2808]

Here are some nonsensical BS I found: Amogusgender Memegender Christiangender DreamMCYTgender BBQBungergender Faggotgender (This one is not on MOGAI wiki or any of the other xeno wikis but on discord a group of xenogender supporters went up to my face and said "Faggotgender is a valid gender" followed by some other BS so I will put this here.) Nazigender (There is like a twitter post about this, seig heil catdolf transler (naze/nazir) I guess) ADHDgender (Autism might have something to do with gender but ADHD very likely doesn't)

[@Æuvelity]

Satire/bait

[@LightningZBolt]

I was diagnosed with autism at a young age and seeing people now try to use it as a reason to justify xenogenders really bothers me as they like to talk as if all autistic people understand them and relate to them when the reality is that I not only do not understand xenogenders at all, they make no sense at all to me as I think very logically and practically. I can see the objective truth in gender dysphoria, but there is no gender dysphoria for catgender as it's not a real thing. Plus like you said, it infantalizes us, and I already see that issue enough in other things. It's really frustrating as to 'outsiders' they will see xenogenders as an autistic thing and thus judge all autistic people for them while people that are using them are probably not even autistic t begin with. As if I didn't have enough issues with people faking having my mental illness to seem special or get away with bad behavior while I've always been suffering from people judging me for my autism or telling me "it's not that bad" or "you just need to do better" now I also have to deal with teenagers and young adults jumping onto xenogenders and saying they're an autistic thing.

[@Kat-wd6ck]

I'm genuinely so happy that someone finally brought this topic up because I feel like everyone is afraid to mention it. I've noticed that since last year, people have become a lot more accepting of stuff like this, making it seem like it's okay, when an actuality it just hurts the people who are (diagnosed) ND. This coming from someone who is neurodivergent, I believe the entire concept of this is pretty ridiculous and overall just a very negative way of describing who you are. If you have trouble describing your personality to someone, don't explain it through stuff like "catgender", which not only invalidates neurodivergent people but also trans people as it makes it look like being transgender is just a choice.

[@Pennyorsomething-music]

I haven't watched the video yet but I just wanted to state that I absolutely hate the use of disabilities as gender identity, Adhd, autism, bpd, I've even seen one called suicidefluid... I think this is getting a little out of hand I have ADHD and autism, and take offense to people labeling them as gender identities

[@Pennyorsomething-music]

I just finished the video, really well said :)

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

My problem with "neopronouns" which are often connected to xenogenders, is that there does not seem to be a standardized pronunciation, and some of them could possibly be prounced in ways that sound like traditional pronouns.

[@ByakkoJ]

Your using facts and logic, but a lot of people don't want to hear it. Keep it up tho because it's great information that people need to hear.

[@fawna_lariat]

While I am xenogender myself, and don't agree with a lot of the things you say about us, there is one point you make that I actually do agree with, at least a little bit, and that I think a lot more xenogender people should consider, and that's that it doesn't automatically make you trans. Like yes, I am xenogender, but I also don't consider myself trans either. I think it's fine if other xenogender people do, but personally I don't. Just because I am xenogender, doesn't automatically make me trans, and tbh I really don't like it when other people in the community try to force the label on me when I just don't think it fits me.

[@silvignis2028]

I hate how people outta here trynna be special and I feel like it is just kinda there to be..."look at me, I am not cis guys?" Bc to the woke cis is bad :,) I am a very scientific person, too, so....yes I agree with you on everything! Honestly, if there is something you strongly identify with, make it your username or make a sona(if you do OC stuff). Thats what I did. I didnt have my user for a long time but when I made it I wanted it to be a one-of-a-kind name. I LOVE nature(especially the forest) and identify with it a lot. Also, I am not deep into astrology but look into these posts n stuff for fun. I am a leo(fire sign) and identify with my element as well. So...I did a little google translate and ended up with Silvignis(Silva+Ignis). I got my OC based on this name(she was a nightfury OC at first) and after 2 redesigns I got a dragon with a design that is a little like a spyro design(one of my childhood games) and has accessoires from some of my favourite and most important fictional chars. Anyways, I hope for this once people will actually listen. I mean you share your concern about how something HURTS your communities AND other people as well. If these people truly care, they'd at least try to understand your point.

[@lunawolfheart336]

There seems to be a. Increase of people faking not only transness but mental illness. For some reason pretending to have DID seems to be a favorite so now it's hard to find proper recorces and therapists to actually help me get the diegnoses and care that I need. I even had someone tell me to just give up on a diegnoses because I'm valid without one. Like ya ok yes I'm capable of figuring out that I have it but getting a diegnoses will help me get proper care because I kinda can't function at work properly. I've almost burned myself or have several times while having episodes. And people just want to pretend it's some fun thing. It's so frustrating

[@silvignis2028]

@@lunawolfheart336 omfg ikr. Trust me, my aunt self-diagnosed herself with hypersensibility and likes using it as excuse(she also diagnosed me with autism like what-) and trust me she is as delusional and self-absorbed as someone can be so ik what these kinda ppl are like. Faking disorders for clout is the worst thing, too. Plus I kinda feel ya. I discovered I got some symptoms of ADHD and got rly scared but I cant get diagnosed atm and as long as I am not diagnosed I will not go around and say I got it yk. Bc people are STRUGGELING. But these? They take advantage of the support some good-willed/naive people give and claim theyre victims...and when they get found out they jusy make things worse for ppl that actually got the stuff...

[@DoodlebugDrawz]

@@silvignis2028 To be fair, they only use whats “unique” and “special” i have never ever seen someone self-diagnose really any uncommon disorder, its always adhd, autism, DID, tourettes, literally everything tiktok says they have, it makes no sense meanwhile theyre censoring out those who actually need the help.

[@BlurryNova]

Your first paragraph actually brings up a interesting theory I have on why we're seeing a rise in people identifying as xeno-neo genders. We have a lot of impressionable young people(aka, kids) who are entering these queer spaces who are watching and hearing discussions surrounding oppression and discrimination against the queer community, and as a young kids who may be ill-equipped to understand the complexity of these discussions, end up looking at them in a black and white filter. They may hear a group of trans people discussing their experience being discriminated against by a group of cis people, and these kids filter that as "Trans are innocent, cis people are bad" and then want to distance themselves from the concept of cisness in order to avoid being lumped in with the bad people. But many of them don't understand gender, or its conception, nor the complexity of trans experience in a world that is against them, so they take parts of themselves that they are passionate about and make it their gender to fill in that barrier between them and the cis people they categorized as "the bad people". And even use it to fill in the gaps of actual gender exploration, as many of them either live in places that prevent them from exploring it, or are too busy living online to actually go out and explore it fully. That being said, even if it explains a lot of different people's experience with xenogenders, I know it doesn't explain every single person. But it give us a better understanding for some.

[@Woundedmels]

Recently was properly educated on this topic and I agree they don’t exist. Love your content keep it up!

[@writingmyfuturee]

Honestly I'm not Allistic but I do suspect autism, however I never really understood Xeno genders, however I took upon some myself, but after seeing this video I feel like they can be harmful and I appreciate this video being made because it really does open by eyes to how harmful it can be, I honestly am trying to 100% understand this so i don't spread misinformation but I do appreciate making this video!

[@乇ʻ卂]

First :) can't wait to see your well-organised statements and thoughts as always.

[@namelessrando]

as someone who is apart of the trans community and is autistic, xenogenders hurt no one, though i am not in the community i still feel obligated to at least try and educate (sorry if any of this comes off as rude, i have not taken my ADHD meds for a few days in a row and i am exhausted). If you actually look in the community you'd be able to see that things like "insertcountrygender" or "BLMgender" (as a different commenter mentioned) don't actually exist. multiple studies have shown that autistic people experience gender differently causing not just an overlap between the trans community and autistic people but also a correlation between autistic people and gender dysphoria. I was personally never apart of the community (as I've mentioned before) but it is a special interest of mine to look into different communities and see what they are all about. I have spoken to about 15 people who identify with xenogenders and they have all testified that people who are actually apart of the community don't use: flags, countries, race´s, etc. as gender identities. also, gender has nothing to do with science, it is all a social construct, so who cares if Brian wants to be called Bat/bats? I never understood the obsession with criticizing people who did virtually nothing wrong- If you do see someone using things like country names for pronouns, please kindly remind them that it is not nice to make fun of xenogenders and the trans community like that, also keep in mind that this is not to send any hate towards this creator! i have watched multiple of your videos and you make good content, keep up the good work!

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I use catgender as an example of xenos in a lot of these videos because it's not political and is very commonly used. Im not making an argument against those kinds of things and if I say something in reference to then it is to laugh about it or display the absurdity (which yes "catgender" is just as absurd as """blmgender"") Also no, gender is not purely a social construct. I have a plethora of studies and sources in my about section as well as videos discussing that, so I'm not entertaining an argument based entirely on misinformation. That's entirely incorrect. And I have spoken to waaay mkre than 15 xenogender people considering the nature of my content. The entire premises is based off of ableism about autistic people and a disgustingly distorted veiw of both gender its self and transness, which is fed by misinformation like what you're spreading here. I'm not trying to be an asshole but all the claims you've made here are entierly on the basis of lies that contradict decades of medical research.

[@michaelkindt3288]

@6:40-.-I don't know what your political leanings are, but I just want you to know that the terms "leftist" and "leftism" specifically referred to people who self-identify as socialist, communist, marxist and/or anarchist, and not just people on the left in general.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

yep i am aware lol. im a socialist, anarchist, and learning more about communism before i particalrly align myself with it but am (more generally as im not very educated ) usually in agreement with communists

[@michaelkindt3288]

@@godlesssnowshoe-.-Oh, That's a shame, but whatever. Doesn't change the fact you have good takes from what I've seen so far.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@michaelkindt3288 uuuh thanks? I don't rlly think it's a shame that I think people's needs should be met w/o strings attached and that workers should have control and receive direct benifit from their jobs as opposed to funneling it to billionaire corporations but alr 😭

[@michaelkindt3288]

@@godlesssnowshoe -.- Well, I think property rights are fundamental human rights, and I like liberalism, so you know.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@michaelkindt3288 neither communism or socialism are against people owning PERSONAL property. Personal property is different than private property. Personal property: your house, your phone, literally anything you own that's sole purpose is not to produce profit. No one wants to take your toothbrush or your computer or your house Private property: factories, prossesing plants, stores, farms, etc. These things would also NOT be owned by a government but by their workers. A farm isn't owned by 1 farmer with employees, everyone has a say on how the business is run and recives payment on the basis of what they need and what their job is, not as decided by an employer where the majority of the profit produced goes to a CEO, owner, or share holders. You would actually OWN your house instead of rent from people who buy up property and charge rent. If anything that's more "pro property rights" than being given such small portions of tye profit from you job that most people can't afford to own their stuff, or to OWN things that are basic human needs without either being in debt or working for a company thag dosent care about you or yoir well being, or more than likley both No one wants to take ur stuff. We want businesses to value people and their needs over profit.

[@slothymcfrothy5950]

These vids have kinda helped me keep my trans friends comfortable because I'm just one of those people who have a lot of trouble remembering that kinda stuff and I do hope you make more videos like this. Thank you!

[@furnaceheadgames9001]

Do you feel dysphoria for helicopters?

[@Palatidd]

I agree that they are harmful but your explanations seemed very simplified, and not many examples of the times xenogenders have actually led to harm.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I was trying to keep this short, but if anyone is interested like I said at the end I can go into more detail in a part 2 :) I tried to stray away from specific examples as its very easy to go "well not all xeno users do that" when giving specific instances, so I wanted to make statements that are more general about the nature of xenos!

[@Bela13]

I'm xenic myself I have more fear of people hurting me for choosing a plant gender than hurting someone because I don't hurt trans people or someone else. I saw a lot of hate here on youtube about xenogenders. And even if I'm xenic some of the xenogenders hurt me too. well I saw some neurodivergent people using xenogenders so it's not offensive to everyone, depends on people's opinion

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@Bela13 that is such an ignirant position. No ones gonna harm you for having an absurd "gender". Trans people are regularly killed and SAed. And part of that is that many if us can be clocked as trans (and no one will look at you and go "oh plantgender") AND thay were even taken seriously enough to be... more than a joke. I'm sorry but no ones gonna hear plant gender and stab you or r/pe you like a real trans person might receive. Theyre probably gonna laugh or go "blue hair and pronouns" at worst. Youre not oppressed or in danger because youre making transness into an aesthetic. Edit: also YES YOU ARE HURTING REAL TRANS PPL. I have a whole 2 part series on it that you clearly zoned out for. You are not harmlessly saying "im plant gender uwu" nd the fact that you even have the audacity to compare the "struggles" of xeno people and trans people speaks volumes to that.

[@lolcandyyy]

@@Bela13 you are everywhere i go

[@ColorMafiaa_]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@godlesssnowshoe I know this comment is old and I’m not sure if you have the same views as before but I’m also transgender. My gender is hard to explain since it’s never “solid”. Sure, I could use genderfluid and it’s mainly what I call myself when I don’t want to overcomplicate things, but that’s not me either. I don’t know how to explain my own identity without getting into the nitty-gritty of my past labels, self perception, social norms, gender dysphoria, and peer pressures. Personally, xenogenders help me feel more comfortable with myself. For example, one of my xenogenders is based off of air/wind. It represents how my gender never stays the same while never really changing its molecular make-up. In a simpler sense: it’s not a fluid but its not a solid either. Pronouns related to that gender makes me feel validated for who I am. I think it’s okay that you don’t like my side of the community, I think that’s just fine and it’s kind of useless to try and argue now (I used to try and convince people but I guess I just have to live through it :B). However, none of that is why I replied. I replied because no matter how hard you deny, xenogender users are transgender. They are not cis. They identify differently from their birth gender. Just because that person is plantgender doesn’t mean they aren’t trans. They could still go “oh, I’m transgender” (because they are) and go through all that stuff too. I know you don’t really understand us and there’s not much I can do but please don’t say they can’t be a “real transgender” just because they identify with plants. That’s sort of rude and hurts people more than their little plantgender has. Discrimination can happen to anybody and everybody, even if they are something quite silly. I just wanted to say that because it really hurts when you say I’m not really trans and that I’m just being trendy, even though I was trans years before identifying with any xenogenders. Also, no, I don’t identify with them because I’m neurodivergent. It’s purely because my identity is like twice the nonbinary (joking, of course). I kinda hate that excuse because it’s like-okay? Is there any other reason or is it just because you have this neurological disability/disorder? And before you say anything, yes, I was hurt for being transgender before and there have been people who said they’d purposefully misgender others if they weren’t binary (a guy or girl) right in front of me. This was before I identified with xenos. Because I now identify with xenos, I’m being harassed by both transphobes and trans people. I have had r_pe threats, s…icide baits (as in they encouraged s…icide), and generally violent things sent to me and others because of our complex gender identities and it has been scary. I’m sorry that people go “teehee I’m (blah blah)gender bc I weeallly like them :33” without actually identifying as it and are hurting you. That isn’t your fault. But please don’t assume people are doing it for attention until you actually ask them “hey, why do you identify as (bluh bluh)” or whatever (in a nice way though please!). *TL;DR: I was threatened too; not only because I’m trans (have been for years) but also because I am xenic/have xenogenders (recently) and it’s really upsetting when you say we’re not transgender when we do-in fact-not identify with our birth-assigned genders.*

[@unyu-cyberstorm64]

I just use some form of nonbinary usually. Genderfluid, Agender, Genderless, pan-gender, bi-gender, etc. (bi-gender means that you identify as two different genders that are separate from each-other)

[@SymphonyDaBeanD]

Having kit/vamp(or literally anything as long as its not a slur or a curse word or you get the point) as a nickname is fine, but using it as a pronoun just seems stupid to me lol i wouldn’t go out of my way to harass someone that goes by “bench/benchself” pronouns but i wouldn’t support them

[@judefloyd2279]

Love your content! I'd definitely like a part two.

[@Fourcrowsinatrenchcoat-us9xb]

I wasn't able to find any research on if xenogenders are real or not, does anyone have any links to actual articles or research about xenogenders? There may not be any as this is a more obscure topic. Personally, I think that the actual description of xenogenders - someone who is unable to describe how their gender feels and uses other concepts to explain itstead - makes a lot of sense. Especially because not everyone thinks or feels in the same ways. I have friends who find colors the easiest way to describe what they're feeling, in a way that just doesn't apply to how I think. But, that doesn't mean they aren't valid in that way of feeling and perceiving their emotions. So if someone can't describe their gender with words but can find something else to describe it, I don't really see how that could be a problem. I kind of understand the thinking behind not supporting genders based off of characters, but if a person percives their gender in a way that matches a character and that's how their gender feels, then so long as it doesn't take over their whole identity - because gender isn't someone's whole identity, and probably shouldn't be in any case - then I don't really see the issue there. I can definitely see an issue with being trans as some sort of political statement. That is not what I'm curious about/talking about in this comment, I'm specifically addressing xenogenders. I guess overall I'd just be interested to see other people's takes on this and their line of thinking.

[@Y_AXiSs]

i can't watch the video rn but i saw the thumbnail AND.. LOL i was mutuals with the creator of catgender/that flag when i was on inclu twitter when i was 13

[@lemonballs]

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[@Woundedmels]

People also have like 100+ genders at once and say oh I’m cat gender while in the same breath say oh I’m gender gender like those are bolth two different xenogenders if you are going to spread misinformation at least try to make sense.

[@town_mane]

watched four fifths of the video before i realized you were drawing the thumbnail lmao. thank u for making this vid. this whole xenogender thing has genuinely been distressing tf out of me. glad im not going insane hehe

[@MonsterMama16]

Watch out I can hear the fire nation coming. Run.💀 Basically most of these genders are just other kin. I suspected that from fucking dream smp gender This video made me realize that’s part of my problem i kin to male characters and your video helped me realize that I’m chair gender/j No but I realize that I’m Apagender meaning I don’t care what people think about what my gender is I’m just me I am yeah I have a problem with the lack of identity but who cares and that I’m asexual and my romantic interest is woman I will not have a sexuality attached to this identity because most apagender people don’t anyways because of the lack of gender identity Thank you you help me ACTUALLY find it who I am💙

[@DarkeWiing]

Do people actually think they're dreamgender? Whenever I see anyone say that they're dreamgender I always just assume it's a joke

[@MonsterMama16]

@@DarkeWiing no . It’s real there a bunch of xenogenders of real people too and it’s not a joke to them.💀

[@DarkeWiing]

@@MonsterMama16 I feel like if someone used a xenogender of me I'd be really creeped out. that's a disturbing level of obsessiveness over a person.

[@MonsterMama16]

@@DarkeWiing that’s another reason they are harmful content creators can’t say they aren’t comfortable with it because it would come off as transphobic for some reason? Dream and multiple creators say they aren’t comfortable with it. But people still do it. Because people will say the Content creators are trans and homophobic for not supporting [insert person here]sexal or [insert person here}gender it’s obsessive unhealthy behavior on both ends.

[@TissuDemon]

Your reasoning makes sense o-o

[@UczuciaTM]

As a trans person: cry about it

[@Nora-eu1qm]

Same 😋

[@crazylionezz]

So real

[@crazylionezz]

@CasperCoon98 my argument is that it makes me happy and doesn't genuinely harm anyone.

[@prageruwu69]

i know this video is old but i have something to say. at the part where you say trans spaced have shifted from talking about how to pass/do gender affirming stuff safely etc, to being more light hearted with memes and stuff, i just don't see a huge issue with spaces like that existing. communities of trans people don't have to be serious or doom and gloom all the time, and making jokes and talking about stuff we like isn't a bad thing. feel free to correct me if i'm misunderstanding, but i think there's room for both tips/resources and stuff like memes. if nothing else, spaces could be divided between serious topics and just fun, yet still exist and thrive alongside each other. idk, maybe i'm just misundetstanding.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

i absolutely do think theres room for both, and ive personally participated in the more lighthearted or unserious stuff as well- this video definitely isnt the most well articulated since its quite early in my channel 😅 my point was more so that serious discussion is often shut down, usually with some flavor of toxic positivity or claims that very common trans experiences are internalized transphobia or cisnormativity. ive seen this in a lot of ways but the most common are like, someone venting about dysphoria and not passing well, and a host of comments being like "once you stop caring abt passing youll be so much happier" "you dont need to pass" "it seems like you have a bit of internal transphobia, i think you should work on that instead" " you should want to transition for euphoria, not because of this" its completely normal and understandable for a person to want to be perceived as the gender they are, and as such would obviously be distressing not to be. dysphoria is a normal part of being trans. but ive seen so many people who just frankly arent trans telling trans people its essentially a character flaw or self hatred to experience dysphoria. either that, or its hug boxing, toxic positivity, and even anger with people who genuinely want to help the person. the thing with the memes was less so that the memes and jokes are bad in themselves, but that people looking for emotional support snd a community that genuinely understands them are often disregarded or even lectured/ attacked, whilst being drowned out by folks who dont share any of the struggles ( or successes for that matter) of trans people. if the people posting slly stuff weren't ALSO the people telling us dysphoria is internalized transphobia or hug boxxing it wouldn't bother me as much.

[@prageruwu69]

@@godlesssnowshoe ok i think i understand better now. though i haven't really seen the stuff you talk about of trans people being told they have internalised transphobia, i'm sure it exists. some of it might be misunderstanding though, saying something like "i'll never pass for a real guy" does have some implied internalised transphobia, and i don't think it's necessarily bad to acknowledge that, as long as it's not dismissive. being accused of having internalised transphobia for wanting to pass is silly though lol.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@prageruwu69 yeah i mean there definitely are cases where its internalised transphobia but a lot of the time it's more like, if you want to pass you suck lol. i even got a comment like that on a video recently saying like "once you stop trying to pass you'll be free" or smth- i responded being like... People want to pass bc theyre dysphoric not because they think gender roles are good, and you can be gnc and still want to pass. and they basicly were like "nuh uh" 💀💀

[@prageruwu69]

@@godlesssnowshoe fair enough. i have seen a couple instances of people saying trans people should simply not care about passing and i sometimes can't help but wonder if they know any other trans people. i really don't want to sound mean and i could not care less about "is x person/identity valid????" discourses, but it's like some of these people have only known other trans people from tiktok talking about euphoria and never talk about dysphoria or passing (don't get me wrong, that content is nice and i like to see people find the good things in their trans experiences) idk though, just rambling

[@AD-ts6gq]

The reception to this video is based

[@zootzbootz]

anyway theyre not harmful. there is literally zero way for good faith xenogenders to cause actual harm on their own. transphobes look at us ALL the same. we gotta support EVERYONE in the queer community not bring certain ones down.

[@turquoiseangel03]

the denial of saying that having pride in being a caricature of a mental disorder is dangerous is crazy

[@godlesssnowshoe]

im gonna be so real, i have no idea what ur saying 😭

[@turquoiseangel03]

@@godlesssnowshoei don’t even remember what i was trying to say💀 i might have been drinking at that time, sorry!!

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@turquoiseangel03 i feel that so hard dude ur totally fine 😂

[@nanowjam]

What program are you using in the vid to draw? Love your fursona drawing the whole time while you talk about important stuff it’s so entertaining to me

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Thank you!! I use krita :>

[@necrowz.]

You are giving good points, but sometimes you are going against your own word. You are saying that xenogender people use the same arguments as conservatives to justify their gender identity, but then you also say it is not scientifically possible. Conservative‘s most used argument is that it is not scientifically possible to change your gender, as in „you can cut up as much of your body as you want, but your chromosomes are gonna stay the way you were born“. As a medically diagnosed autistic person I can say I personally find self diagnosis valid, as long as the person has researched it to a degree where they can be sure, and they’re willing to go to a medical professional to actually confirm it. I haven’t seen any self diagnosed autistic person say they’re autistic just so they can use xenogenders. By saying xenogenders aren‘t valid, and using the argument of „it’s not scientifically possible“ your are invalidating any other gender identity such as: non-binary, Demi-boy, Demi-girl, agender, genderfluid etc. etc. because the only scientifically proven genders to exist are male, female, and intersex. You are validating non-binary but are invalidating xenogenders even though they would both go against your beliefs of proof of sience behind it.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

There's a difference between conservatives going "but biology!" And mu video, because the science does NOT align with their veiw. The science aligns with what I am saying. Also- while I don't see an issue with nb, I will admit I don't confidently say it exists for a reason. I think it does not actively contradict the research, unlike xenogenders do (as they rely on the idea of gender being social) I also don't really care if I'm invalidating subcategories, because I think the sub categories are unessasry. Also im not saying people arr always self dx with autism with the MOTIVE to use xenos, as plenty of neurotypical identfying people use them as well. I'm saying they self diagnose anyway, and due to that, feel like they arr now entitled to use made up genders on those grounds.

[@necrowz.]

@@godlesssnowshoe doesn’t enby also follow the belief of gender being social? The definition of non binary is that they are neither male nor female. Non binary isn’t a gender, because that would make it fall under the gender binary again. The perception of male and female are fully made up, there aren’t any major differences between male and female. A woman could be born with a high level of testosterone, be born without br3asts and without a uterus, all of these characteristics are „commonly male“. A woman could grow facial hair, have harder facial features. There’s nothing that REALLY makes man and woman different, except for reproductive organs (And even those don’t have to mean a lot. Some men are brown without genitals). What if we never „found out“ that man and woman are different things? Maybe, we would have never made up these genders, everyone would have one „gender“ and the only difference between them are their genitals.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@necrowz. im sorry but this is just blatantly false and shows you didnt take the time to even SKIM the studies ive spent hours reading and compiling for these videos. the differnce is gendered brains which has been extenstivly studied for decades with pretty solid results that also validate trans people. the woman with high testoserone and a beard is still a woman because her brain is female and therefore she feels like the lable of a woman fits her best. again, you CLEARLY did not bother to do even a moment of reaserch into this and just listen to twitter stuff.... also- while some NB people may see nb as valid because they believe gender is a social construct , NB still has the ablity to fit into our model of gendered brains and hormones during deveopment causing transness. to be a neurological intersex of sorts, somewhere that does not align with the overall averages of male OR female brains. however this hasnt been studied enough which is why i say im skeptical but still see it as reasonable. xenos are SOLEY reliant on the idea of gender being social, as opposed to NB which has gender being social as ONE of many reasons. its a bullet point on the list, not the WHOLE list. **reasons nb is probably valid:** - there is(admitdly small) reaserch on the idea that duosex NB people experince higher hemisphiric switching as compared to binary trans people or cis people, even with no other conditions present - Nonbinary logically would be able to exist in a middle ground of brain sexes, as brain sex isnt an exact idential differnce but a collection of traits seen overhwelmingly in one gender identity vs the other binary identity. it wouldnt be outragous to assume nb people are somewhere that does not fit these averages - nb genders have been seem throughout ever culture and human history - nb people regurlarly experince dysphoria about their physical body w/o a desire to be seen as the oppistate sex **reasons people say xenos are valid (that ive heard):** - i like it/ it makes me comfortable - im autistic (have avid debunking that too) - _gender is social anyway so i can be what ever i decide i am_

[@us-the-voices]

I actually do like the "just because it affects my gender presentation it doesn't mean it affects my gender" I'm gonna steal that. I dunno, your argument is. its agathokakological. while I do agree xenogenders have made some people take way longer to realise they were a Demi-boy or GNC non-binary person. I also am on the side of xenoid identities, and xenogenders. both are similar and both are in the same vain, some people will switch to them, (xenoiods) some won't. I've been researching and talking and generally been half and half with xenogenders for years now. and honestly, as a non-binary person. (classical definition, meaning both male and female and outside of the binary) I don't know, this was rather disjointed. but detranstioners and people who figure out they are a different gender or just realise they are genderless or some other thing. are gonna exist, and I don't blame them I support them. some people realise after therapy or tons of self reflection they just aren't trans mostly due to being traumatised and crossdressing and identifying as the other gender was a coping mechanism. some people medically detranstion because E or T wasn't working for them or they had complications from surgery. but didn't detranstion socially and are still trans. xenogenders can harm, like anything can in this world. nothing is harmless, and anyone will wield anything to further a goal. like how people weaponise detranstioners, people weaponise xenic people. I know otherkin, therian's, xenic people, disabled people, mentally ill people, I know trans kids and adults, I know so many people and have talked with so many people about so many things. I've seen the horrors and g0re and death, I've seen Ped0's and zoofiles, I've seen and heard the worst stories imaginable. and again, I do not believe xenogenders are bad. because yes, I have seen the stories and talked with the community and had discussions I went in with a not open mind and had my opinion changed. I cannot change your mind yours is made up, as is mine. but you bring up some good points, I hope your day is swell. even if I disagree with you, your not bad. we hold different stances and thats okay.

[@fletchqc9900]

I fucking hate that your "godless snowshoe" logo isnt centered in your intro otherwise based as always

[@godlesssnowshoe]

i know its so annoying but thats as close as i could get it 😭

[@kattfromsplatsville]

In my opinion, be whatever ya wanna be. As long as you're happy.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

This could literally apply to so many awful things. Be what you wanna be if your not hurting anyone, which xenos are

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@YELLOWSUNFIRE 1. Watch the video 2. I dont have discussions with people who can't be civil 👍

[@xen5269]

Based

[@sorenz-5h4d0w]

my freind is also autistic and doesnt support xenogenders

[@lunawolfheart336]

It makes me sad katzkun is using transness for a political statement. I love their art and videos. :/. We are not some political statement we are human and if people are being trans just for a political statement that really rubs me the wrong way. You can fight ge der roles and the patriarchy without being trans! How do people not understand this.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

YEAH honestly i had already lost respect for them but this amplified that

[@newfounder]

What exactly happened with Katzkun? I don’t have Twitter or anything similar, so I don’t know

[@doodleplayer4014]

Watching some autistic folks (diagnosed or not) using it as an excuse for spreading misinformation or as a excuse for ignorance is gross. And of course, when people act like all of us are a fucking hivemind or something and share all of the same views, it harms all of us.

[@chocolizard678]

Do you have any sources for xenogenders resulting in more detransition? I feel like that's kind of a big claim to not have a source for. Sorry if I missed it.

[@MonsterMama16]

In his other videos you can check then in his deception

[@chocolizard678]

@@MonsterMama16 I looked in the description and at some of his other videos which are made to disprove xenogenders, but I want a source for that claim specifically.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

There havent been any polls or studies as far as I'm aware, as I've looked. I state in that video this is what I and many non-young teen other have noticed with the rise of xenogenders since a lot of people 20+ were out as lgbt before they became "main stream" and have noticed a shift in the trans community and attitude of detrans people! I am very transparent in that video that its my experience as an adult trans person, amd the experiences of other trans people my age and older :)

[@chocolizard678]

@@godlesssnowshoe oh I'm not trying to challenge that experience. I've also noticed a rise in xenogenders and seen reddit posts talking about how some aspects of the trans community could lead to more detransitioners. I just think relying on anecdotes weakens the point and could be seen as inappropriate in this situation. Maybe a source on detransition rates and how they've changed by decade would be good? (Ex. If there was a large spike in detransition rates from the 2010's onward.) It would only show correlation not specifically causation, but I think it would lend credence to the idea. Idk to me it just gives bad vibes to make a claim that big without the ability to fact check it since it feels like placing blame (not sure if that's the word I'm looking for) without hard evidence. I didn't quite understand your issue with egg memes either. I think humor can be a good way for people to cope if they are having a hard time with gender or sexuality. Maybe I'm just not understanding since sometimes how things are described doesn't click for me. P.S. please don't screenshot my comment. Some KZbinrs (not saying you specifically) screen shot comments they don't like and then put them in their videos to make fun of them.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@chocolizard678 dw I won't screen shot I only do that to people who just bully me lol- but yeah thats a good idea! Ill definitely include that in my part 2 :) Also the egg meme thing is a minor issue, its more just that trans spaces are flooded with things that don't help anyone and spread misinformation, ill admit the egg meme was a bad example- something like those "truscum bs tucute" comics would prob be a better example haha

[@meanest_person]

I usually don't comment on stuff like this..but I wanna show what I think of xenogenders. (I'm fairly new to xenogenders, but I use them in private. Please don't attack me if you disagree or something) what I think xenogender is: people who use xenogenders use them because the genders people normally use doesn't connect to them, so they make new ones that do. For example, cat gender: people who use cat gender know they aren't a cat, it's just the closest thing that describes their gender. I'm also confused how xenogenders hurt the LGBT+ community? While I understand there are really ridiculous "xenogenders", they aren't actually xenogenders to me. Those are fake "xenogenders" that hurt the real xenogender community. I also understand not everyone is gonna like xenogenders, but at least be respectful? Saying xenogenders are stupid and stuff like that can be harmful. Btw!! Xenogenders was the thing that made me explore gender and pronouns! I'm sorry if xenogenders are actually harmful, but I don't think it is. I think that's all I have to say! Sorry for my grammar, english is my second language. I do take criticism just be be nice and respectful. (Sorry for any misunderstandings. I'm slow and it's hard for me to understand stuff.)

[@godlesssnowshoe]

this is an older video so i doubt i got my point across well in it, sorry abt that ^^; (also any studies refrenenced in this comment are in the sources section of the channel "about me" link, youtube dosent like links in comments sorry!) im aware xenos arent literally the things they describe, its usually a feeling or kinda vibe assosiated with that abstract thing. the problem is any explanation or defense of them is only possible when relying on misinformation, that if followed to its logical conclusion is extremely harmful (+ imo misinformation in its self is harmful, especially so when its about a marginalized group) gender is not a feeling or a vibe or an abstract concept. gender is something that can be observed in the material and functionality based aspects of our brains. this is applicable to trans people too, there have been a multitude of studies showing trans people's brains align in some way with the gender they see them selves as, as opposed to their AGAB. certain areas of the brain are sexually dimporphic, and this has been shown to be consistent with trans people both pre and post HRT, as well as machine learning algorithims being able to blindly and accuratly predict the gender idinity of both trans and cis people at a rate signifigantly higher than chance. Trans peoples brains are both physically and functionally different from that of cis people of their AGAB. there are aspects of how we precive gender that are social of course, gender roles are made up by humans and change from culture to culture and century to century. however our personal self perception of gender, our mental map of how our bodies should look and function, is not social. it is a result of pre-birth neurological development. while i may feel dysphoric about having long hair because of social standards, i dont think my body is "wrong" or become extremly distressed by the long hair existing on my body. just the social implications of how im precived. but i am dysphoric about my chest regardless of how it is or is not precieved because it is a part of my body that is not supposed to be there, that does not feel like my own, because my brain functions in the way of someone who is not supposed to have that body part. it is something that exists as female regardless of culture or time and my brain does not recognize me as female. i dont know how to word this w/o it coming off as rude so i apologize, i dont mean for it to be, but i find it ironic to say "Those are fake "xenogenders" that hurt the real xenogender community" because that is functionally what xenogenders as a whole are to trans folks. they are taking concepts completly devoid of relation to gender, the scientific understanding AND internal experince of it, and devoid of relation to tangible universal trans experinces, and deciding that they are now a part of a group. a group that people not only have no control over being a part of, but that is also marginalized in pretty much every society on earth. theyre claim to existance is tremendously disrespectful to not only the lived experinces of trans people, but also the hard work and time of the researchers working to understand why and how transness exists. i dont think its disrespectful to be critical of an identity or belief, especially when that belief/ idenitity is predicated on harmful and ignorant misinformation. this video is old so i did likley come off more agressive in it than intended, my older videos were only partially scripted. so i guess that may be the reason for that remark, but none the less no one has a right to be sheilded from rational questioning and critisism.

[@meanest_person]

@ I had to read this a couple of times because I'm dumb as hell, but I think I understand now. Thank you for explaining! Though I am curious about the people who don't identify as the genders people usually use, what do they do? Anyway, thanks for explaining and being respectful. :D

[@Pupp_pie]

I'm not gonna be here to argue since we have different opinions hence your not attacking anyone but I just think your opinion is fascinating due to it being factually based (sorry if I misunderstood where you stand) but I want to say your fursona is adorable and the color scheme is amazing but what art program do you use? It looks really complex

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Sorry idk why I liked this and didnt reply 😭 I use krita to draw and after effects to edit my videos!

[@EleonorFerret-oc7zx]

7:42 WAIT A MINUTE,that's actually not true! I know multiple xenongender people and they don't think like that,some do but the Xenongender identity is not based off of that itself,Xenongender people still explore their gender

[@nillawafez3979]

I think a lot of people who genuinely feel deep connections to a certain animal or mythical being as a part of their gender may actually be otherkin. It was really disappointing to me to see that Twitter post from Katzun because he’s been an inspiration to me for years :(

[@Nerodotnet]

@@lepossboy yeah they do! it’s just not very well known

[@nillawafez3979]

@@lepossboy A big part of it is spiritual belief, so it’s kind of like how there’s no science to back up religion. Snow also brought up him being “kin”, in his case fictionkin, so it could also be a coping mechanism for people with mental health issues (based on my own experience having BPD and being fictionkin.) The otherkin community never had anything to do with the creation of xenogenders as far as I know.

[@nillawafez3979]

@@lepossboy About the studies, yes, I have found a number of theories on the topic in the past. Unfortunately, I can’t link any because I don’t have independent access to the web outside of KZbin so you’ll have to find your own research. Sorry about that

[@nillawafez3979]

@@lepossboy I found this interview on people who identify as otherkin: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6PKf2WPabmirdE Again: no sources to studies, it’s all I could find on KZbin

[@Nerodotnet]

@@lepossboy it’s a niche spiritual / religious belief, of course there isn’t any scientific studies on it.

[@Woundedmels]

Hey I was wondering if you could make a video on your opinion on therians as I would like to see your opinion.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Maybe? Ot seems like therians are mostly a concept utilised by children for playing pretend so in iffy-

[@Woundedmels]

@@godlesssnowshoe oh ok if you ever do make a video on them from what I know it’s where a person believes they have the soul of an animal or animals and some believe in past lives but not all. Some therians do believe that had a past life/s. Btw I know this from the fact that I have 2 therian friends who are 16/17 they learned that information from various videos talking about what therianopy is. Ok bye!

[@zootzbootz]

​@@godlesssnowshoethis comment shows me how uneducated in general LMAOOO

[@Stormy_Seaz_dragonz]

@@godlesssnowshoe honestly some are lol but there is some therian stuff linked to spiritual beliefs

[@EleonorFerret-oc7zx]

Thinks like that can't be harmful,it's like saying the internet(games and such) can be harmful,which,events have proven they can be but their no harmful to everyone

[@godlesssnowshoe]

me when nothing related to the internet can ever cause harm ever: you are ignorant

[@EleonorFerret-oc7zx]

@@godlesssnowshoe am not being mean,am sharing info

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@EleonorFerret-oc7zx i didnt say you were being mean i said youre ignorant lol

[@sorenz-5h4d0w]

I love watching videos on both sides

[@maple.0n._paws]

They don’t hurt anyone everyone’s too sensitive. I love xenogenders cry about it :333

[@godlesssnowshoe]

No ones crying abt anything but you it seems lmao

[@maple.0n._paws]

@@godlesssnowshoeyou and everyone sure are. It’s just xeno genders. You’ll live 💋💋

[@Æuvelity]

Fr!!

[@maple.0n._paws]

Nah lol >_

[@anarchistcayzo]

hey great video! I do wonder tho what is ur opinion on demi- genders?

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I dont have any inherint issues with them however I do think a lot of cis people end up using them :/ not that all afab demigirls are cis and viseversa, but the way a lot of inclus describe gender can lead to confusion to where I think a lot of cis people are using these identites under the idea that being GNC makes them trans but they don't feel nb or like the opposite sex. That being said, i do think its valid and possible to be a demi gender, I just think many of those doing it aren't actually that gender yk?

[@anarchistcayzo]

@@godlesssnowshoe yeah I get what you mean thx. 4 the response!

[@EleonorFerret-oc7zx]

10:02 that is also not how Xenongender works,your NOT cat gender because "you like cats",it's way more complicated then that,you're the one spreading misinformation

[@godlesssnowshoe]

the definition of cat gender acording to their own wikis is; Catgender is a xenogender in which one feels a gendered connection to cats and/or other felines. One may feel a strong gendered connection to cats or felines, or may incorporate them into one's gender to better understand their identity. One's catgender identity may be connected to alterhumanity, but is not specific to alterhumans.[2] In this case, one may feel like a cat themselves and/or share traits, which is related to their catgender identity. For example, one's gender may feel lazy unless provoked, and sometimes playful and soft. (This is just one example; not all catgender people feel this way.) Another example is that one's gender may feel like they do when they are interacting with cats. so idk you tell me man lol

[@EleonorFerret-oc7zx]

@@godlesssnowshoe and what in that diffenetion is talking about liking cats? It talks about having a CONNECTION to felines and soft thing,xenongender is more so of a description of one's gender then a gender in itself one could possibly identify as xenongender while being cis and or having other non xenongenders

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@EleonorFerret-oc7zx none of that has any relation to gender

[@EleonorFerret-oc7zx]

@@godlesssnowshoe just because you don't understand dose't mean it doesn't make sense,the overall message Is that xenongender gender people and the community itself does not support the things you think it does,it's a DESCRIPTION of gender so people can still keep discovering what their real gender is if they want to,or not depending on the person thus it's not harmful

[@stupidbreakfastt]

@@EleonorFerret-oc7zxsooooomebooodys pissseeed 🤑🤑

[@psytox6555]

What about xenomorph

[@deedeedoo]

I go by neo pronouns , but i dont really take it as my gender yk ? Like Fox/foxself /dog/dogself/cat/catself like yk i identify as an animal on a non physical level but i dont use it as my gender ? :)

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Why would you use it as a pronoun when the purpose of a personal pronoun is to indicate gender though 😬😬😬

[@deedeedoo]

@@godlesssnowshoe well some people do that , and I'm one of them but I personally don't want it as my gender

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@cxrplin_..therian🐾 no i mean linguisticly, the purpose of a personal pronoun is to indicate the gender of who ever ur talking about. Pronouns are gendered. Therefore u can be foxself because fox is not a gender

[@deedeedoo]

@@godlesssnowshoe well I've seen people use it , I personally feel comfortable with it but it's not exactly my gender . As I heard just because you use those pronouns it does not mean that it's your gender . Of course you may like use it as your gender but ..

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@cxrplin_..therian🐾 oh my god you are missing the point so hard 💀💀💀 the point is NOT that everyone who uses those pronouns must identify with a corresponding xenogender The POINT is that the reason English has more than one set of pronouns is to indicate the gender of who you are speaking about. She/her indicated who yoire talking about is a woman, he/him indicated the person is a man, and they/them indicated either the person is non-binary or you do not know their gender. Noun "pronouns" do not acomplish the goal of he/she/they because they are not related to someone's gender. Therfore they serve no purpose.

[@jinxhex]

most people use xenogenders in addition to another gender identity. it just describes the relationship some people have with gender. “but that’s weird!1!1!1!” It’s largely used by neurodivergent people who can often have complicated relationships with gender. nd people use xenos to put into words their relationship with gender. this might be silly or weird to other people, but nd people see the world differently from others and xenos can help them tons. not understanding xenos is fine, but making fun of it while knowing this is actively ableist. I hate to throw that word around but by making fun of something that comforts a large number of neurodivergent people is.. weird to say the least. (I am well aware you are handicapped, you can *still* be ableist)

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Someone didn't watch the video

[@skydaydreamer]

You really didn't watch the video did you?

[@BlurryNova]

Old comment, but a lot of us folks who are Nerodivergent don't prescribe to this way of thinking and generally putting the label "oh, Nerodivergent folk believe in it so you can't criticize it or your being ableist" is a shitty excuse. Whether or not the majority of people who identify with xeno genders are Nerodivergent doesn't mean it gets a free pass on criticism. Your making it out that we're the end-all, be-all, and we can go whatever we want because our brains are different from the norm. And honestly, that mindset is infantilizing. We're just as capable of creating misinfo and causing damage to communities as someone who isn't Nerodivergent.

[@jinxhex]

@@BlurryNova this comment is old so take what I said then with a grain of salt. Here’s my take, there are *some* nd people who like to use xenogenders, this is because some neurodivergent people have complicated relationships with gender. I’m just fuckin tired of people making fun of neurodivergent people for doing “cringy” or “weird” things. I simply find it weird, it’s just ehhh… cringe compilations are already a plague. I simply find it weird

[@godlesssnowshoe]

You do realize at no point in this video did i say they were bad because theyre "cringy or weird" right? again you CLEARLY did not watch it because i think the only time i even said the word cringy in this video if at all, was that its NOT a good reason to be against them. please actually watch the whole video before you make assumptions on my arguments and then procede to try and debunk arguments i did not even mention.

[@rubiewilcher4617]

I lowkey feel bad that some ppl hate xenogenders :( , im fine with opinions but js ket ppl expressing themselves :(...(Im an xenogender and its not just for autistic people , jeez.)

[@Marco_Viva]

I respectfully disagree (I have diagnosed aspergers, so yeah I'm serious and I'm not conservative, I'm on the left...) Having Xenogenders exist, can help trans people with asd explain to others that their identity is true. How? Because they can say that "there may be people in the asd-community that have difficulties understanding gender, but I don't! I know who I am, I thought about it, so please get it over with!" Psychologists being careful with giving trans people with asd the possibility of transition isn't a problem caused by xenogenders. It's a problem caused by the understanding of autism by psychologists (people in general) I identify as a autigender cisgenderless male. I have difficulties with understanding gender and I do believe, that's because of my asd. So how should I understand your video? Do I not exist? (could be lol. I don't agree with descartes) Am I lieing? (I don't) Do I use different definitions for gender than you and I'm therefore hurtful? (please elaborate) By the way, the definition of Neurogender in your video isn't the normal definition. That would be: Your ND influencing your "gender experience", not influencing your "gender". Look, I don't say, your experiences aren't true or not worthy to be thought about. YOU however do say, that my experiences are "hurtful" and not true. I hope you understand what I mean. I'm open to any questions you may have. I hope from either an answer or if you have thought it over since this video for a followup-video. Thanks!

[@godlesssnowshoe]

This is a big way of ignoring the fact that there is NO scientific proof or even correlation between ability to understand gender, and autism. Or the lack of proof that xenos exist and that they don't fit into our scientific understanding of gender. This again relies on the idea that gender is a social construct which is objectively false as ita currently understood. You wrote like 5 paragraphs skirting around the major point. Misinformation . autism effecting your compression of gender not only has no scientfkc backing, but even if it did it wouldn't make xenos real it would simply mean you're unable to accurately pin down which gender you identify with, not that xenos are valid. Argument from anecdote, which is what this is, is fundamentally useless when determining if something exists. Thats what science, objective facts, is for.

[@Marco_Viva]

@@godlesssnowshoe I'm trying to post an additional answer, but it's not working right now..., I'll make a new comment for it EDIT: alright, it doesnt work... weird comment system on youtube... Let me know, if you are open for me to e-mail this to you (I know, you already have your e-mail-adress in the description, but I don't want to mail it to you without yourpermission ;)

[@Jazker_da_thief]

Hi! I use xenos but I don't wanna hurt anybody, what should I do? Should I call them xenoidentity or somn? /gen

[@godlesssnowshoe]

hi sorry i didnt see this comment! i dont think its really in my authority to tell someone they HAVE to switch lables. while xenogenders are harmful, i dont want to be resposible for anyones identity crisis or the like ^^; personally i think the idea of xenoidentities are fine and a good less problematic way to easily describe personality traits or experinces over xenogenders, but at the end of the day its up to you :>

[@sillygoofball815]

turn them into nicknames perhaps?

[@nillawafez3979]

Snow, could you make a video on your opinion on the otherkin community?

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Ehh its mostly kids doing it so I don't wanna take it too seriously 😅

[@Ieatbatteries1]

@@godlesssnowshoe um.. there are adults who are otherkin and it is just a spiritual belief. (Or phychological)

[@Lucky_the_Lycanroc]

Another based video as always

[@motc8238]

To me, a xenogender is just a name for a person's experience with their Non-Binary identity. Everyone experiences their gender identity differently, so why not put a name to it? Catgender doesn't mean they believe they're a cat, they just experience a feeling of gender but want to give it a specific name by tying it to things outside the binary.

[@supervisor6475]

wait are nonbinary people xeno or what? Idk but I'm nonbinary so I just want clarification, also love ur art!! So cute and fluffy 💕💕

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Not inherently:) xenogenders are "genders" that relate to animals, aesthetics, disorders, or other non-gender related topics

[@leshommesdupilly]

Ahhh ! I can hear it.. The toxoplasmosis.. It tells me to.. infest a catgirl ? What does that mean ??? Why does is what me to get some catgirls ??

[@Ikea_Enjoyer]

i think if you feel seriously harmed by a little label that people use to describe themselves then you have serious issues, there is nothing harmful about identifying as “catgender.” no, it doesnt mean you are a cat. xenogenders are a helpful tool usually for autistic people that feel their gender is connected to certain things.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Connecting autism and xenos in it's self is harmful to trans autistic people specifically but OK (and i mean _trans_ people not xenogender people 🙄)

[@Ikea_Enjoyer]

@@godlesssnowshoe did you miss the part where i literally explained how xenogenders can be helpful for autistic people? you have this idea that a couple of teenagers on Tumblr saying they’re catgender is harmful to trans communities and safe spaces and when in reality there are real life hate groups actively hate-criming and even killing trans people, if you think xenogenders are more harmful than that then you are the problem because instead of focusing on the actual transphobia you make conspiracy theories of how all xenogender people will “think” they’re trans and then de transition and then later use their de transition story to harm trans people, theres only a handful of xenogender people and most of them have no plans of transitioning in the first place, so maybe instead of bullying people in your own community (lgbt+) you should go outside and fight against the actual transphobia that’s happening in the real world.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Yeaaah sorry to break it to you but I can care about more than one issue and I also make videos on conservatives? I find it funny that xenogender people will try and change the topic to trans hate crimes as well considering they seem to be completely void of any of the actual discrimination that trans people experience considering you can't transition to catgender. Also don't talk yo ME about "go do something useful uwu"- i regularly attend protests and have even been a speaker at one, I donate money where i can, and actively attend irl events. You do not know what I'm doing outside of youtube (or apparently even on it because again, I make videos on conservatives as well, maybe even more??) You don't get to tell me I'm not doing shit just because I disagree with you on xenogenders. When you're a speaker at a protest or you faint in 102° heat at a political rally get back to me. Also I explained in my other comment why the autism argument is not only wrong but actually kinda gross 🙃

[@adamnasir2]

Spreading misinformation and manipulating youth into thinking Xenogenders are a real thing is, in fact, harmful

[@Ikea_Enjoyer]

@@adamnasir2 its not misinformation tho? there are literal studies proving that gender is a social construct. also id love to hear how im "manipulating the youth" into think xenogenders are real? 😭

[@zootzbootz]

errrmmmm anyway xenogenders DO exist and theyre valid 🥰👍

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Sorry u feel that way, hope therapy helps ♡

[@zootzbootz]

@@godlesssnowshoe I don't understand why you're so defensive and hostile over people disagreeing with you. 💀 maybe not hostile. but definitely passive aggressive. aren't you the same person who said xenogender users get incredibly hostile toward you and others for questioning it? maybe it's because you approach the topic in such a judgemental and patronizing way and don't even want to attempt to hear others on the opposite side of the argument out fairly. there's a word for that, and its called hypocrisy. but you go off and you do you mister "I'm not truscum but I have made videos where I call myself a trans medicalist which is literally the same thing but oh I totally don't care about that argument"

[@zootzbootz]

@@godlesssnowshoe moreover why would my therapist feel the need to help me overcome my acceptance of a group of people. (which I am literally a part of lol. and an adult ohh I'm so dangerous) how dare I be an accepting person ig???? lol

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@saccharinecarousel yeah you seem like the angry one sorry dude, I just wanted to reply to push this outa my "haven't responded" on yt studio lol. Also this is an old video I do consider myself truscum so idk what ur getting at there lol. Just leaving snarky comments isn't an argument to hear out btw, there's no counter argument to "actually they're valid uwu" because that's not an argument! Have a day, im gonna take a nap cus I'm sick 🫶

[@AstroTheNeonAstronaut]

*sigh.* Hello. I am Stargender. Stargender is a Xenogender, and you know what Xenogenders are. I understand your frustration and concern but, I am only stargender because even as a *CHILD* I felt like my gender wasn’t female or male, as if my gender just simply was nonexistent, it wasn’t until I got into astrology i figured out that my gender felt like it was connected with the stars. I have adhd and anxiety, I was diagnosed. but what I will talk about is the fact that I do not try to force people into believing people who have adhd, or autism, or whatever the hell, what I try to do is make my voice loud and clear that not all people who have xenogenders are like this. My gender isn’t stargender because of a hobby, it is stargender because that is what I identify as. Thank you for listening, if you don’t want to listen, that’s fine as well, we’ll just not see eye to eye. And just a little add on: if you want to say anything, please try to keep it respectful or not be rude, I’m willing to listen to criticism, but I won’t listen when you are actively trying to hurt me. I would just like to say: just because I might *not* exist, that’s fine. That’s okay, that means that this comment never happened, since I don’t exist. So yeah, please try to be respectful. Oh, and also. I’d just like to say, I don’t support xenogenders, I will support people with xenogenders who have made it clear they are not trying to press the harmful things you talked about in this video about.

[@mxmiv]

I don't usually like transgender people or xenogenders, but it's interesting to say the least when i see a xenogender person not support their own kind i guess? It's just interesting to see the perspectives of other people in the community but other perspectives of xenogender/transgender are all very self-centered and calling people a bad person for trying to criticize or give them logical points, especially if they don't support it. Honestly, I do support you just because you can be open minded about it, which is something most "deluded" people in the lgbtq don't do.

[@AstroTheNeonAstronaut]

@@mxmiv yeah, I’m aware, That’s why I chose to be one but not support them unless they’ve made their stance against the stuff that xenogenders push

[@LunarMoonKitten]

I'm Catgender

[@mxmiv]

@@LunarMoonKitten no u aint

[@LunarMoonKitten]

@@mxmiv whatever bts fan boy

[@Andy-ih2kg]

I do think a few of them make sense to be actual genders, such as faegender, which falls under that umbrella term. But associating your gender with an animal or charecter is, like you said, encouraging unhealthy coping mechanisms .

[@Ikea_Enjoyer]

im honestly tired of people thinking xenogenders are an aesthetic or trend, the literal definition is “a gender that cannot be contained by human understandings of gender” it’s simply a lable used for people that have a unique experience with gender that can relate to things like cats or dogs, doesnt mean you are a cat or dog, its just means those are the kind of things your gender relates to.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Yeah for the 100th time I'm aware it's not the same as identifying as the thing it's self. I literally do not care because its not any less absurd

[@Ikea_Enjoyer]

@@godlesssnowshoe did you read the whole comment though? my point still stands that xenogenders are gender identities that cannot be contained by normal/human definitions of gender, as a trans person i still don’t understand how that is harmful to the trans community, i also dont get how it can be harmful to autistic people if we are the majority of people who use xenogenders?

[@godlesssnowshoe]

I again know what a xenogender is thank you. Did _you_ watch the video? It denies and even demonizes well established science that supports trans people both against conservatives, as well as in healthcare. Xenogenders do not fit with our actually PROVEN understanding of gender or transness by any metric, and instead of conceding that no one is catgender they instead demonize the researchand scientists and spread misinformation, despite the fact that studies I've mentioned in this area have again been extreamly beneficial to ACTUAL trans people aka trans ppl other than xeno users Also. 2 things. No its not "mostly autistic people", it's mostly people who self diagnose with autism. Even if it wasnt people being google doctors however, the only studies corralating transness and autism show that the AMMOUNT of trans people os higher HOWEVER also states that people with ASD are just as capable of understanding gender, gender identity, and making informed choices about transition. It's harmful to us, autistic trans people (not self diagnosed ppl 🫥) for a few reasons. 1. The argument for xenos and autism I've heard rely 100% on misinformation, that being that gender is purely a social construct and since autistic people can struggle with that, it would make since for some of us yo use abstract lables. The problem is that gender, while not binary, is not a social construct. Its neurological and has been proven as such over the course of decades and hundreds of studies. Gender ROLES are social, the inate sense of gender is not. 2. It infantileses autistic people. Autistic people regardless of support needs are just as capable of understanding gender as anyone else. It's simply the fact that the people using these lables but a weirdly heavy ammount of importance in lables and see being LGBT as inseparable from personality. Xenogenders are one of a few things honestly. A. someone unable to seperate that gender can be a part of ur identity but is seperate from say, being shy or being good at a skill. They just lump every part of their personality into gender. There's a reason these are a lot of the same people who collect diagnoses lables like they're pokemon cards. B. People literally just don't know what gender or transness is because of the misinformation i talked about above and the aggressive and rampant nature of it. Of someone thinks agoraphobia means being an introvert they may say they're agoraphobic, but that's not what the word actually means so no matter how much they say it, that lable is still inaccurate. Same thing. Words have meaning and this warps it. 3. Honestly? Not saying all people but I will not believe you if you say NO ONE is doing it for an aesthetic, quirky uwu, or even oppression points way. Its a way to say your trans without actually transitioning in any capacity and also being "different".

[@adamnasir2]

​​@@Ikea_Enjoyer Xenogenders are factually not valid gender identities, deal with it

[@Mansour4reall]

No they not problematic i collect them mosltly for fun/related to intrests soo i dont think they offensive unless someone calling themself "n@z1gender" then theres a red flag Edit:i am also FTM with body dysphoria(want binder and go on t) so im not a "just a cisgender person who wants to be special")

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Sorry but u thinking something is fun dosent exactly take priority over the damage they do

[@Mansour4reall]

@@godlesssnowshoe i dont do damage i just collect them i am spacegender aliengender catgender and i feel a like special feeling when for example i think of space or big cats while being FTM

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@Am1z those things may be apart of you and I won't deny they aren't, even in context of expressing gender socially, but they are not genders They are apart of your personality or interests. That is not gender thats being a human with interests of hobbies....

[@slug13]

if you like collecting them for fun, i recommend looking into xenoids or xenoidentities instead! there's a few comments about them, and neither of them are connected to being trans, which is a nice bonus

[@adamnasir2]

​@@Mansour4reall None of those are valid

[@ctdirect5858]

Yes, yes they do. It's narcissistic and self-centered, you don't need to force everyone to accept you as a cat because you like cats. Stop warping what it means to be human smh.

[@carnival_klownz]

Lmao i wish that were true. Its not though

[@ctdirect5858]

@@carnival_klownz good news, it's the truth.

[@bread3205]

I love xenogenders tho???

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Who cares??

[@WESELY_CARTIER]

Fatherless but good explanation

[@godlesssnowshoe]

honestly valid, thank you lol

[@elnathisn]

im a xenogender soo imo i think it depends on the identities

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Yeah of course you'd say that 😬

[@elnathisn]

@@godlesssnowshoe btw idk why do people see xenogenders as invalid tho

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@nora I have multiple videos on it 😬 thats why this channel exists, go watch them im not reciting an entier script for you kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2TZiaOJiNahlck kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHqmhZiwmbd5grc kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5y6dZ2KlK5nfbc kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2i7naZqjLmggrs

[@adamnasir2]

You're not a xenogender since that's not valid

[@lemonballs]

​@@adamnasir2 ok miss 3 subs

[@PoliticalSins]

Xenogenders are just a gendered astrology. Of course no one still explained what constitutes a gender so I guess they are valid by interpretation. Sorry, but it’s true. 🙃

[@kitchen-knives]

personally, i disagree with most of this, while i do agree with some parts. in my opinion, xenogenders are not at all harmful. and just because there is a conservative argument that is similar to "the argument" that ppl with xenos use doesnt mean everyone who identifies with xenogenders like,, means that?? and not only that but you kinda act like people are ruining trans safe spaces for using xenos. most of the people ive met who use xenogenders are not cis in any way, shape or form. you also keep using the words "spreading misinformation", which is kinda weird in my opinion. not only are you speaking for people who you clearly dont experience the same things as, but youre acting like everyone who uses xenogenders doesnt understand the concept of gender. as someone who is neurodivergent and has been trans for about 4 years, i feel like people should be able to identify how they feel most comfortable. in my personal opinion, you're gatekeeping, which is not something we want in our community. this community is all about welcoming people who are queer of some sort with open arms, and telling people that their identity doesnt exist/telling them it's invalid or something along those lines is doing exactly what transphobes do. ty for reading, if you see this :]

[@godlesssnowshoe]

Gate keeping is not always bad. These people are not inherently trans. Sure someone may relaize theyre ftm/mtf/nb but being a xeno is not inherently trans because its not even real. There is nothing wrong with keeping a community exclusive to those who need it. And it IS spreading misinformation because their anecdote may be how they FEEL but that does not make the identity real, and by saying it does, its spreads a false narrative. Simply identifying as something dosent make it true. There is a scientfic explanation for why trans people are their gender and why gender is separate from sex. Atm, xenogenders do not have any scientfic backing and do not fit within that understanding.

[@ghoste3991]

Holy shit these guys actually suck. But also, hi! I'm a diagnosed autistic xenogender transmasc person. This shit is weird. I came from my point of view of "my gender identity is best explained with a feeling or a concept" instead of "oh I'm a leftist so I'm xenogender". The reason I use the labels is because my boyhood is sort of silly: I'm a boy in the way a funny little bug is automatically a boy. "oh he's just a little silly guy!!". its a form of masculinity for me, and personally I feel like catgender is a label that represents how my boyhood feels. It was always just.. Me being very aware of my self identity. I know what I am so I'm going to find labels that say that. There's a bad side to everything, and I appreciate you showing me that. I don't exactly understand how gender isn't a concept, like how time is a concept, but I will watch that video to learn more. Also woah bpd gender?? Autiegender?? Holy shit that is so ableist as a concept 😰

[@ghoste3991]

You seem pretty mad and aggressive in this video, but i'm glad I watched it. Learning is always something good, so.

[@godlesssnowshoe]

(sorry for typos im horrible at spelling and my keyboard is very broken atm so fixing it is hell ^^:) i dont think the experince youre describing is like, _wrong to have_ but thats not a gender. thats kinda the problem is that the way you feel about being a boy or the way you feel about your gender presentation is not the gender in its self. by labling it as a gender its misinforming people of what a gender _is._ im not warm neutral tones gender because i think that fits the kind of masculine aesthic i feel most comfy in, nor am i snowshoe cat gender because my snowshoe cat fursona is a representation of the way i see myself, including my gender. gender is a concept in the way that like, gravity is a concept, sure. but by _"its not just a concept"_ i more so mean their is a material basis for gender, which is observable, can be studied, can be reproduced, and is ALSO mesurably different than sex. gender is a concept in the way gravity, evolution, or chemistry is a concept. those things exist weather we observe them, understand them, or not. it is NOT a concept in the way something like morality, religion, or philopshy is a concept, because those things are PURELY conceptual, they only exist because humans theorize, debate and experince things, if there was no lintelligent life to precive them they would cease to exist. the problem with xenos isnt nessasarily wanting to lable that experince (i have a newer, much less shitty-old-video, on that) but its that by calling it a gender, you are labling your own personal feelings, aesthetic, or intrests as being in the same catagory as the physical stucture of your brain and fetal development. its misinformation. and consideirng how much misinformation already exists around trans people (although also really just in general too) theres no such thing as harmless misinformation.

[@ghoste3991]

👍

[@AutisticEdgar]

As an autistic person that has gone through this, no, thats NOT a gender. Yes its okay for you to be confused and have gender dysphoria but random things CANNOT describe your GENDER, they can describe your personality! That's why xenoidenties are great! Cause they're just silly labels you can play with but they dont actually mean anything (just like xenogenders, but at least xenoids admit it)

[@3cheers4sweetrevenge.]

Bro the salary of a clown is good money why you doin it for free?

[@godlesssnowshoe]

proving my point that yall have no arguments

[@3cheers4sweetrevenge.]

@@godlesssnowshoe why don’t ya squeeze ur silly clown nose? It makes a funny sound

[@lumerii8559]

Kanins not the one whose community is literally a joke using "clown gender" and clown pronouns.

[@3cheers4sweetrevenge.]

@@lumerii8559 so many red noses for an already existing circus, y’all should make one yourselves bc there’s too many of you

[@godlesssnowshoe]

@@3cheers4sweetrevenge. if you have a real argument use it, otherwise youre just proving yall cant do anything but insult people