Do You Have to Build Extra Town Centers? ft. Hera

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Spirit Of The Law

Spirit Of The Law

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@HeraAgeofEmpires2
@HeraAgeofEmpires2 5 жыл бұрын
Was truly a pleasure helping out for this video! I hope I was able to shed some light on one of the more complex topics in aoe2
@roxyc7455
@roxyc7455 5 жыл бұрын
omg hera ima big fan thanks for helping us noobs in this game
@vytas5584
@vytas5584 5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis and explanation man. I think I can apply this knowledge straight away and improve.
@ivanweissbein5253
@ivanweissbein5253 5 жыл бұрын
Nice to know you have the channel!! Will subscribe
@Robert-vk7je
@Robert-vk7je 5 жыл бұрын
I fall into the "builds only one extra tc in castle age" category. I'll try to stop this behaviour and commit to an actual strategy. Thank you! :)
@TheChimples
@TheChimples 5 жыл бұрын
2 Canadians dropping the knowledge on the AoE2 scene!!
@corsairmechanic4129
@corsairmechanic4129 5 жыл бұрын
Interviewing pro players for this type of video is a nice touch. Edit: Case in point, trapping a whole scout rush in his wood line at 13:33.
4 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too! Looked in the comments to see if anyone else spotted it, was not disappointed.
@Ratciclefan
@Ratciclefan 3 жыл бұрын
Oh nice
@justincronkright5025
@justincronkright5025 Жыл бұрын
I hated seeing that 1 scout alive for a while. OCD brain... well OCD towards 'Killing' I guess!
@demoncard1180
@demoncard1180 5 жыл бұрын
Three TCS or one, we won't be any closer to learning how villagers procreate.
@chrisbandicoot9552
@chrisbandicoot9552 5 жыл бұрын
Villagers don't procreate. All town centers are equipped with cloning vats. Each clone requires 50 food. That's why you can produce villagers even when you don't have any.
@glitch3141
@glitch3141 5 жыл бұрын
Immigration. The food cost is the price to feed them and get them to join your side.
@tuxedomollusk
@tuxedomollusk 5 жыл бұрын
Every TC has a Dr. Frankenstein under contract to stitch new villagers together from an assortment of animal corpses, berries, and crops. The "Town Center" label is simply a convenient cover for his abattoir/lab. This also explains how the villagers get so swole, considering the monster had a superior physique in the Mary Shelley novel. Yeah, turns out AOE is actually a horror game. Who knew.
@RedB3aronch
@RedB3aronch 5 жыл бұрын
It s about feeding the enormous queen, like an hive.
@Bloodlyshiva
@Bloodlyshiva 5 жыл бұрын
At least they HAVE females this time. Poor AOE1 is mono-gender.
@HallyVee
@HallyVee 4 жыл бұрын
"Hm. Yes, interesting." *plays at 14 APM building pretty villages*
@m33a
@m33a 3 жыл бұрын
Lol..typical aoe newcomer
@HallyVee
@HallyVee 3 жыл бұрын
@@m33a Ha! Wrong! I played the first game quite near release! ... at 14 APM, building pretty villages.
@juanpablotavacchi5799
@juanpablotavacchi5799 3 жыл бұрын
Best thing about AI games is the town building aspect.
@aurawolf664
@aurawolf664 3 жыл бұрын
u r not alone in that lol!
@hannibalburgers477
@hannibalburgers477 2 жыл бұрын
@@m33a lol typical smoothbrain tryhard degenerate that should be flailed, and immolated for the good of mankind. I BUILD THE BEST VILLAGES DONT TALK SHT ABOUT CUTE VILLAGES!
@iwersonsch5131
@iwersonsch5131 5 жыл бұрын
"full knights with any civ with bloodlines" _suggests Franks_ This is why AI can't replace us
@TheStrangeBloke
@TheStrangeBloke 5 жыл бұрын
Because Franks have such a weak knight push lol.
@dantegomezbasualdo5507
@dantegomezbasualdo5507 5 жыл бұрын
They have bloodlines without even researching them, and better.
@chrisdaley2852
@chrisdaley2852 5 жыл бұрын
I'd say they know that.
@mrkirby8622
@mrkirby8622 5 жыл бұрын
@@dantegomezbasualdo5507 Not in feudal 😄
@dantegomezbasualdo5507
@dantegomezbasualdo5507 5 жыл бұрын
@@mrkirby8622 so best scouts un terms of hp doesnt count?
@zi8gzag
@zi8gzag 5 жыл бұрын
this guy answers the questions very well
@TheStrangeBloke
@TheStrangeBloke 5 жыл бұрын
Hera is a good teacher. He basically casts while playing on his twitch stream and you can learn a lot there. He's also IMO the best looking AOE2 pro, so there's that. ;)
@FirstNameLastName-tx6td
@FirstNameLastName-tx6td 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheStrangeBloke MBL for sure man
@200mccsa
@200mccsa 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheStrangeBloke Edie and Jordan are easy on the eye too
@lukefreeman828
@lukefreeman828 5 жыл бұрын
I've never really bothered with extra TCs... mostly because I suck at the game! Feel like doing a starters guide soon? Maybe for when Definitive Edition drops?
@Rushi486
@Rushi486 5 жыл бұрын
Same here. I never realy saw a reason to make them (since for farms i can just use mill i thought), unless my initial got destroyed.
@PartialViewmusic
@PartialViewmusic 5 жыл бұрын
There are a ton of those. Resonance22 is a great watch to learn the very basics of the game. While I agree that Spirit Of The Law does great videos I really don't think he himself is good enough to teach new players. He hasn't even managed to reach 1800 HD rating so 11 No disrespect whatsoever against SOTL though. I love his videos.
@NetherPrime
@NetherPrime 5 жыл бұрын
@@PartialViewmusic You do know that being 1800 does not qualify you to teach others, right? you could be 2.5k and still not qualify. Teaching and playing are 2 different things.
@RimaNari
@RimaNari 5 жыл бұрын
@@PartialViewmusic I think SOTL is entirely qualified to teach the basics. He knows the basics, so why shouldn't he teach them? However I agree thinking that his potential is better placed in the content he does normally, not beginners guides. Except of course if he reallz has fun doing them.
@jcpkill1175
@jcpkill1175 5 жыл бұрын
Sotl is quite qualified to teach as its technically what his channel is mainly about, which is teaching aoe2 indirectly (ie no build order guides etc) If he does make a beginners guide it should be something new and around his style of videos, instead of a build order guide which is probably the norm why not take a look at basic build orders and walk through why everything is done. Instead of people learning they comprehend it and progress further with a general understanding and ability to mold it much better than a normal build order would.
@mightybatillo
@mightybatillo 4 жыл бұрын
Im so glad DE came out, last time I played AOE was 10 years ago and we had to use Hamachi to play between friends...
@scritoph3368
@scritoph3368 3 жыл бұрын
Never played AoE back then, but I did use hamachi for minecraft and let me tell you, I'm glad it's gone. Fuck hamachi.
@animangovideo7375
@animangovideo7375 3 жыл бұрын
There is voobly for that. Once you set up port forwarding and use an ethernet cable instead of wifi it actually works pretty well.
@ihmpall
@ihmpall 2 жыл бұрын
@@animangovideo7375 thanks for telling him what he should have done 10 years ago
@AM-bo2ns
@AM-bo2ns 5 жыл бұрын
i'm regularly impressed by how helpful and friendly a lot of the AOE2 community members are. it's really refreshing compared to the poisonous atmosphere of rude, egotistical people who congregate around other games. love the video.
@erickcenteno7731
@erickcenteno7731 5 жыл бұрын
5, for maximum Supremacy effect!!!!
@RealLifeW0rld
@RealLifeW0rld 5 жыл бұрын
With Britons that's a very good idea!
@Raven305bal
@Raven305bal 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! shouldnt you emperically consider the cost of building more lumber camps or mine camps, which players with only one TC have to do? Because when I build an extra TC I put it in a place i would a build a lumber camp and a mine camp. Just a suggestion!
@Bart_Happel
@Bart_Happel 5 жыл бұрын
Fair point, but you should also consider the extra farms you need for villager production and your lumbercamps and mining camps get saturated faster with the higher villager production so you also need more of them faster. You are investing in your eco three times as much as you would do for one tc and your eco is therefor also growing three times as fast.
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 5 жыл бұрын
I think bart is right, you have more farms and mills to build, and more micro to do - all at a time where a one tc player is really pushing you. So i don't think it is an economy. I think it really comes down to attacking in AoE2 being quite challenging and risky - otherwise single tc would win every time (as they used to in the old meta)
@dariodimarziasalvatore971
@dariodimarziasalvatore971 5 жыл бұрын
I wish you did the math for my every life choice :D
@MarSHornetsandWasps-v26
@MarSHornetsandWasps-v26 4 жыл бұрын
Is a wife worth it?
@EdanZy
@EdanZy 5 жыл бұрын
Spirit of The Law with the content I need ♥️
@blue-competitivertsgamepla9984
@blue-competitivertsgamepla9984 5 жыл бұрын
20 min sotl video. *reschedule important doctors appointment*
@CharlesJ3
@CharlesJ3 5 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man. Your use of math to be objective is awesome. You are my AoE2 Yoda.
@periculum69
@periculum69 5 жыл бұрын
This video inspired me to look a little deeper at extra TC's and some less conventional strategies. Building two TC's does exactly what you think and splits the difference. I don't know why, but I was surprised to realize that it takes just as long for it to pay off it's investment though. You still don't surpass the one TC build until more than 9 minutes have passed, which is the same time it takes a 3 TC build to surpass either a one TC build or a two TC build. But the difference either way is only going be half what it otherwise would have been, so nobody is going to have as great of an army advantage during those ~10 minutes. Or after. So could be a good way to hedge your bets if you're not sure what your opponent may do, but it'd also be harder to leverage an advantage over your opponent once you find out what they're doing. You'll have less of an initial economy lead to disrupt them if they went for more TC's, and you're not going to have that much stronger of an economy than them after 10 minutes if they went for fewer TC's. Then for fun I looked at Indian players with their cheaper villagers specifically. Trying to replicate your math, I calculated that an Indian villager only costs 138.1 vill seconds to create. Thanks to this, the Indian player on three TC's will surpass the value of a Generic one TC build a full minute faster than other civs, at a bit over 8 minutes. A significantly shorter window. Another interesting option I looked at but haven't tried in game yet is an Indian player doing a four TC build. Since four vills for them costs nearly the same as 3 for a generic civ. The four TC build has the obvious and quite substantial drawback of a more expensive initial investment, basically bankrupting you at the beginning of castle age. However, it is never more than that initial investment behind a generic three TC build. Unlike the other comparisons, you're not falling further behind while making extra vills against a generic three TC build, so they will never have more than a 1237 vill second economy lead over you. AND that disappears surprisingly quickly after around 6:30 minutes. From that point forward, you're ahead.
@LeaderOfTheRedNinjas
@LeaderOfTheRedNinjas 4 жыл бұрын
On a practical note, 2 tc has the advantage of being much easier to execute and balance for newer players. I'm using it as a way into getting used to using more than one TC in open games and would reccomend it for other lower level players too
@sweetestperfection90
@sweetestperfection90 5 жыл бұрын
Please remake with an interview with Hoang, an expert in this field!
@segmentsAndCurves
@segmentsAndCurves 3 жыл бұрын
He would raid your economy before you even reach Castle.
@HazmanFTW
@HazmanFTW 5 жыл бұрын
When there's no intro music and it makes you feel sad.
@EngPheniks
@EngPheniks 3 жыл бұрын
just like the Goths technology allowing Barracks to train Huskarls other than from the castle, there ought to be a technology research allowing houses to train villagers other than from the Town Center
@aurawolf664
@aurawolf664 3 жыл бұрын
a tech called what, exactly? "Sex" ??
@redwastaken3363
@redwastaken3363 Жыл бұрын
@@aurawolf664 Yes.
@leow193
@leow193 5 жыл бұрын
Short answer : Yes.
@bdonaghu
@bdonaghu 5 жыл бұрын
Came for the insane archer micro in the clips, stayed for the analysis.
@kadirsar7637
@kadirsar7637 5 жыл бұрын
Why you never ask the viper. I know he is very busy and a shy person in general but plezzz man
@carbon1255
@carbon1255 5 жыл бұрын
Hera was the man to ask on this strategy, but it would have been nice to get his take as Viper was the best player back when one TC was the meta, he could explain why 3 tc became dominant and why. He also goes 1tc on occasion.
@TheStrangeBloke
@TheStrangeBloke 5 жыл бұрын
Hera is the guy to ask here, since this is one of his signature strats, and he's much easier to get ahold of since he's a canadian and consequently in a closer time zone. You have to see this from the pro point of view.PoVs too. There's little incentive for someone like Viper to weigh in; everyone who watches SotL knows who he is. Hera, meanwhile, is not, properly speaking, a 'pro' because AoE2 isn't his primary source of income, so this Q&A is a great opportunity for him where it'd just kinda be a chore for the Viper. In any case, SotL's "ft. pro" segments are a relatively new feature. He's only had this format for like three videos? I'm sure we'll get Viper at some point.
@rickychardzz
@rickychardzz 5 жыл бұрын
TheStrangeBloke i consider hera pro because he is top 10..... and being top 10 in a game makes you pro
@felipemonasterio6397
@felipemonasterio6397 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheStrangeBloke Ive just seen Tatoh and Hera so far, so yeah, i hope we get more pros commentaries. Id also like to point out that SOTL videos have a certain resonance. For example, when he uploaded the 1 tower and a villager vs 2 empty towers Tatoh explained it in detail to his twitch community, which i found great. So yes, i hope we get more of this. Cheers
@rickychardzz
@rickychardzz 5 жыл бұрын
TheStrangeBloke and being in aM makes you pro if we consider what you say we can count all pros from aoe 2 in one hand..... and t90 would be pro it doesn’t make sense i believe we say someone pro by the skill level they have to bring not the amount of money they make
@Helpful_Corn
@Helpful_Corn 4 жыл бұрын
I know I'm very late on this, but I think you forgot to factor in the lost resources that those 8 villagers missed out on collecting while constructing the TC's. By my math 8 villagers working for 75 seconds adds up to a not insignificant 600 extra lost seconds. But maybe it's not worth factoring that in because players will be constructing things anyway.
@nostalgicdouchebag1912
@nostalgicdouchebag1912 5 жыл бұрын
You got Hera, pls get Dave, another Canadian for a video pls 11...
@randomfluffypup9608
@randomfluffypup9608 5 жыл бұрын
Dave could teach how to stack gates 11
@Lampredi4
@Lampredi4 5 жыл бұрын
Slam and Heart: am I joke to you?
@CornBredCrusader
@CornBredCrusader 5 жыл бұрын
@@randomfluffypup9608 here ya go kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpPUp4umaryFmqc
@TriRemo
@TriRemo 5 жыл бұрын
@@Lampredi4 hearttt ? 11 he's Peruvian
@Rage_WinterchiIl
@Rage_WinterchiIl 5 жыл бұрын
he needs to get chris 11
@tommikoski7910
@tommikoski7910 5 жыл бұрын
Good timing with this video - In a recent tournament game Hera went like +6TC and upto 170 vills :) _lost the game though, but won the series_
@rickychardzz
@rickychardzz 5 жыл бұрын
In what tournament was it ??
@nategarrett8058
@nategarrett8058 5 жыл бұрын
@@rickychardzz mangrove shallows cup, probably
@rickychardzz
@rickychardzz 5 жыл бұрын
Nate Garrett 777777...... thought the maps where to weird so i didn’t check it
@nategarrett8058
@nategarrett8058 5 жыл бұрын
@@rickychardzz you missed out on some excellent games. I don't care for membs style of casting, but even with the weird maps and less than ideal casting, the viper/daut series was an instant classic, and Hera/Tatoh and Daut/MrYo in the semifinals have the potential for excellence
@rickychardzz
@rickychardzz 5 жыл бұрын
Nate Garrett damn daut beat vipa is insane ill probably check it out
@jadearrowgamer1762
@jadearrowgamer1762 5 жыл бұрын
Can't we sum up this whole video with t90depends?
@vytas5584
@vytas5584 5 жыл бұрын
Nope. 1TC is attack/upgrades, 3TC is boom, 2TC is weak attack, diet boom.
@bobincognito
@bobincognito 4 жыл бұрын
But my original tc is mostly idle, so i'll just use that one and safe the ressources right?
@GvF11
@GvF11 5 жыл бұрын
We definitely need more of this, keep up the good work
@Harley002
@Harley002 4 жыл бұрын
I typically go a little heavy on stone in the feudal age and place a castle soon after going castle age, then place only a second town center immediately after i have enough stone. I never go more than two tcs in my main town as i already have a hard time keeping up with tasking the vils coming out, without idling them too long anyway.
@alexandergrace5350
@alexandergrace5350 5 жыл бұрын
I learned so much from Hera. Thanks SoTL!
@shivdmanwii
@shivdmanwii 5 жыл бұрын
Really like the pro player feedback. I would realy love if you could get that after you did your tests so you could potentially discuss some of the results and see if that changes their mind on otherwise add to the conversation. E.g. in this case it would have been nice to have the 9ish min mark be discussed to see how that held up to real scenarios as well as the whole converting of resources into villager seconds. I think a pro player could really use that sort of information since they would have better knowledge of how long techs take to research and could potentially give further insight with the resources represented that way.
@mostwanted2390
@mostwanted2390 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite 2 AoE 2 players in 1 video!!
@nikitsaharan3223
@nikitsaharan3223 5 жыл бұрын
Spirit can you please make a video on how to download new version of AoE2 please
@jadearrowgamer1762
@jadearrowgamer1762 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Spirit, you have civ overviews, why not do player overviews where you take a look at top well known players' micro, macro, consistency, map control, late gameplay, and give them grade rankings for each just like your civ overviews? Or maybe a top 5 (or 10) aoe 2 players similar to your top 5 gunpowder, infantry etc. lists? I'd love that
@lexecutoomber
@lexecutoomber 5 жыл бұрын
*NOTIFICATION SQUAD PRESENT*
@ryannayr140
@ryannayr140 5 жыл бұрын
question: heavy plow before or after 4th tc in full boom? Feels like by the time my horse collar farms run out the wood is worth far less to me.
@kairos4486
@kairos4486 5 жыл бұрын
I always prioritise a second town centre as soon as I hit castle age. It's a simple strategy, but effective.
@kimckenzie6161
@kimckenzie6161 5 жыл бұрын
Been watching you for a while... I thought your accent sounded familiar, but I did not know you were for sure from Canada. Where about's? I'm from Alberta, 30 mins south of Edmonton myself.
@autronic9306
@autronic9306 5 жыл бұрын
Intro music?
@RealLifeW0rld
@RealLifeW0rld 5 жыл бұрын
What about the Britons? Their TC's are cheaper. So, we should have 5 TC's or just 3 or even 1.
@satyakisil9711
@satyakisil9711 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps 3 TC is the best. You can go to Imperial Age faster and get the long ranged Arbalests.
@amauriherrera6022
@amauriherrera6022 5 жыл бұрын
Everything in AOE2 is about timing. Therefore walling/map control determines this TC question. 3TC wins the long game, 1TC wins the rush. Black Forest is an example. Fast feudal, fast tower at the wall, fast Castle, fast knight to palisades GG. Low ELOs wouldn't even know what hit them. But if you fail at aggro the boomer will wreck you in Imperial. So it comes down to making your units really count, ergo micro and tactics. Good raiding practices.
@XyntXII
@XyntXII 5 жыл бұрын
One of your assumptions is mostly wrong: bow saw will be delayed only in very few games. Maybe it is a good idea to run your assumptions by a pro, that is working with you if there should happen to be one.
@bilythebest
@bilythebest 5 жыл бұрын
i'm so happy when i see a new video of yours :) a big thank you from Algeria
@sanal.abraham
@sanal.abraham 5 жыл бұрын
what if there is a population limit of 75...still go with more than 1 TC?
@mdmishfaqahmed8356
@mdmishfaqahmed8356 5 жыл бұрын
yeah u make 75 villagers and make towers everywhere
@sanal.abraham
@sanal.abraham 5 жыл бұрын
@@mdmishfaqahmed8356 good luck with that
@Emil-yd1ge
@Emil-yd1ge 5 жыл бұрын
I'm impressed how well Hera can explain!
@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge
@The_Room_2_Doggys_Revenge 5 жыл бұрын
Seeing the Conquistadors near the end of the video reminded me : for next video, top 5-10 unique unit!
@Gnordlan
@Gnordlan 3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested to hear how this stacks up against heavy fishing as your primary source of food, and whether fishing boats reduces or alleviates the need for the extra villagers/TCs.
@Undefined14
@Undefined14 5 жыл бұрын
If you use a "max villager" number of say 100, you could determine the maximum advantage of Boom (because eventually 1TC gets there too). It would be smaller with a later Castle Age. So later advance means that it might not ever be worth it to boom (max advantage of the long term investment being smaller than the max advantage of aggressive play seems bad). Thoughts?
@Carlostaco
@Carlostaco 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, Max population is also a factor
@matteo.pilgrim
@matteo.pilgrim 4 жыл бұрын
Hmpf. This time I disagree with you: this is how the pro's determine if something is worth it or not: After you clicked or engaged or decided upon something, you murmur "(Totally) worth it!" and that incantation magically makes it worth it. True story.
@xxlCortez
@xxlCortez 5 жыл бұрын
AI usually has 6 town centers and still outnumbers my military.
@bedirhandilen
@bedirhandilen 5 жыл бұрын
AI Cheats.
@fenix20075
@fenix20075 5 жыл бұрын
@@bedirhandilen No they don't. If you can follow their build steps.
@xxlCortez
@xxlCortez 5 жыл бұрын
They have some wacky micromanagement and I don't know how to counter it. Mangonels are useless against them and they can send swarms of troops, dodging projectiles while managing economy and sending reinforcements.
@bedirhandilen
@bedirhandilen 5 жыл бұрын
AI cheats,in terms of starting with extra resources.
@xxlCortez
@xxlCortez 5 жыл бұрын
@@bedirhandilen Only the original hardest AI. The rest and the HD AI aren't.
@ahbraveconscript997
@ahbraveconscript997 5 жыл бұрын
But Spirit, where are Top 5 naval and top 5 monk civs?
@emiskilrimusicproductions
@emiskilrimusicproductions 5 жыл бұрын
I play post-imperial age if I'm not in the mood for a challenge, but every time i start out, even in the dark age, I can literally never catch up. I take forever to build, only because I build last. I always end up winning with the most resources collected, etc etc. Even playing on "hardest" with either the Koreans, Aztecs or Teutons, I still manage to win, even with the weird bonuses and whatever. Overall, I'm a slow player. I save my games and quit when I'm bored. I used to play 400,000,000- (not really) games in one day and I- [sigh], I now play 5 minutes and I'm done
@Pecuniarly
@Pecuniarly 3 жыл бұрын
Set to 1.25x speed to hear the 2021 SOTL. (Okay, it's slightly too fast, but probably still closer than on normal speed)
@Eye_Exist
@Eye_Exist 2 жыл бұрын
it's fascinating that probably the game was never originally designed to be played like this and with this specific consideration and tactic in mind - this type of evolution of knowledge and understanding has only came from the competitive playing, which naturally forces people to actually study the game and its mechanics to rank higher.
@WodkaEclair
@WodkaEclair 5 жыл бұрын
So a question unrelated to the video: has anyone noticed any temporary bumps in popularity for civs/units/tactics in multiplayer games in the period after a video SoL or any other major channels?
@satyakisil4289
@satyakisil4289 5 жыл бұрын
First TaToH and now Hera. WolfPacK re-uinion confirmed.
@jnb894
@jnb894 5 жыл бұрын
So complete, so perfect video, so Spirit of the Law!
@kshithijkaran7657
@kshithijkaran7657 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Spirit! Great video. If possible, could you make a quick video about AOE2 DE? Something like predictions or a wish list. Maybe things you want and don't want to see when it releases. Anything 😂
@blessedbethelord4835
@blessedbethelord4835 5 жыл бұрын
Please to a quick update video for vikings who get free wheelbarrow + more villagers! ;)
@mustang19ms
@mustang19ms 2 жыл бұрын
So making villagers faster
@ssb201
@ssb201 5 жыл бұрын
I like your videos. Found them recently and they made me want to go back and play the campaigns again.
@sethkritarth
@sethkritarth 4 жыл бұрын
Love the video, but shouldn't you also consider the savings of 3-4 buildings that a TC is now doing the work of? (as a collection point for all types of resources). Eg. at 5:54 you now don't require 1 mill, 2 mining camps and 1 lumber camp. This means that TC= 375 resources + 150 sec and these 4 buildings = 400 resources and 140 sec. Additionally, there is an advantage of less villager walking time to resources (right after creation) and to safety (in case of an attack). I know the placement of TC at 5:54 one is pretty much ideal, but at the very least a TC does the job of 2 buildings. I would say that it pays off much earlier than you think here, but yes, depending upon the placement. I usually play with 2 TC strategy, but only drop the 2nd TC when I find the ideal location. If I ever build a 3rd TC, its usually in my allies' base.
@BoxiesAU
@BoxiesAU 5 жыл бұрын
Great video SotL as always - Loved the interview with Hera
@felipemonasterio6397
@felipemonasterio6397 5 жыл бұрын
This video will fill some gaps on 1 tc attacks. What an amazing piecr of information. Cheers SOTL.
@M3Marcoux
@M3Marcoux 5 жыл бұрын
@SotL could you do mass kamayuk vs mass jag video?
@SamNg311
@SamNg311 5 жыл бұрын
My favorite AoE 2 players in 1 video! :D
@TheLoneTerran
@TheLoneTerran 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I am stupid. I've only played campaign so I'm looking at all those dang farms in confusion; thinking "wait, I thought food workers were best". Jeez.
@windows95_de
@windows95_de 4 жыл бұрын
Always have a backup TC if you play against hoang, he will eat your TC.
@fidrewe99
@fidrewe99 2 жыл бұрын
The AOE2 learning curve is very flat, but these amazing videos let me soak up game knowledge like a sponge. I would say the lower the villager count at the start of the earlier the boom, the more vulnerable the boomer, will be since the advantage of the player going for military amounts to a larger percentage of the military budget of both players. The gap will be even greater when the aggressive player starts with a higher villager count or manages to kill a lot of villagers in the investment phase of the boom. A smaller relative disadvantage can be made up more easily by good gaming. Is a 2 TC boom really that pointless? A 2 TC boom will start paying off faster than a 3 TC boom - fast enough to have a window where you have an advantage over the 3 TC guy, which is prolonged because of your stronger enconomy compared to 1 TC. Moreover, you can outboom the opponent more easily later on in case you only manage to inflict moderate damage on him or her. Conversely, it should be more easy to fight off 1 TC players, which have a smaller advantage within a shorter time window compared to vs. a 3 TC boomer. I haven't done the math, but under ideal conditions I expect the 2 TC player to be well ahead of both the 1 TC and the 3 TC player around 9 minutes into castle age.
@KaoticPhoenix
@KaoticPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
So basically 3 TCs are universally the better option but I have to wonder, normally when your opponent reaches Castle Age before you, the default would be to 1 TC push them while they are probably booming in order to stay competitive, but what if they 1 TC push you instead? They have better units, why not invest a large amount into military first. I know this depends because walling and booming is easier than constantly attacking but would there even be a point to booming if this was the meta. Idk I guess I just need more experience at the game
@Ysereus
@Ysereus 4 жыл бұрын
I Wish i was better at Multitasking. I Like rts alot, but my inability to do multiple Things at the Same time holds me Back alot. I cant even concentrate on producing villagers from one TC, let alone from three. I do Well until 10 Minutes and then there is Just to much to Look at. *Feels Bad man*
@AaronJustice
@AaronJustice Жыл бұрын
Just saw this video, 3 years in 😆. AOE2 hit game pass and this video was very instructional. Thanks.
@robdaconquerer4125
@robdaconquerer4125 4 жыл бұрын
What about a 2 tc?
@Snowthree
@Snowthree 4 жыл бұрын
This has baffled me for a while and I really would like an answer for it; but why build extra town centers at all? I mean, if you're just gathering resources a lumber camp/mine is cheaper, builds faster, and does the same thing. Right?
@松菊诊所
@松菊诊所 5 жыл бұрын
Could you plz plz plz compare camel archer with mangudai? Is camel archer really a better unit than mangudai, then why is mangudai's training cost more expensive than camel archer?
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how that works against inca, if they drop 3 TC and q vils then you attack then their strong vils+ army can still fend you off? Cuz i'd assume their vils are as strong as military units.
@KaoticPhoenix
@KaoticPhoenix 2 жыл бұрын
Just do what I do any always add extra TCs regardless of what you're doing and hope your macro is better than the other guy Spoiler: this always backfires 11
@nilab499
@nilab499 4 жыл бұрын
So assuming that, you have 4 villagers building the 2 additional town centers each, you would have 8 villagers missing out of farming resources. so if you pass to the castle age with 28 villagers, you would have 20 villagers remaining in the mean time making resources, whereas in the other case, you would have 28 villagers making resources. so the resource gap should increase until the TCs are done, but in your table it stays constant. this should also shift the time for making up the resource gap further. am I missing something?
@thisrocks
@thisrocks 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video SOTL. Thank you for all your efforts!
@hbarudi
@hbarudi 5 жыл бұрын
I wish they would change the game to allow a max 2 town centers in feudal age but the game simply unlocks unlimited town centers in castle age. Also if you have a sweet spot with mining, food, and wood available, building a town center saves a house or 2 worth of wood and provide a mill, lumber camp, and mining camp worth of drop off point for resources and can make villagers and support population. That is a lot of benefits that come from building additional town centers. You don't have to have every town center always making villagers if you can't keep up with the food, make a villager, keep the town center providing its other benefits such as drop off, population support, and the ability to use the town bell if the enemy player bring their soldiers to kill your villagers.
@FizzleFX
@FizzleFX Жыл бұрын
"Is it worth it" Spirit *takes deep breath for several minutes*
@corneliocapronidelatesta5094
@corneliocapronidelatesta5094 5 жыл бұрын
Ok the mathematical explanation was this time TO FUCKING MUCH
@T3AMKILL
@T3AMKILL 5 жыл бұрын
Keep up the vids!!! Awesome stuff ❤️
@keeganbedell3327
@keeganbedell3327 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve found that for Black Forest maps where you wall up a lot, 4 or 5 tc’s is best
@GoodnotGreat88
@GoodnotGreat88 3 жыл бұрын
So why 3 TC? what about 2 TC, offers better long term economy without making you as vulnerable short term
@MsKepher
@MsKepher 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting video and very dinamyc interview. Congrats!
@MeTheOneth
@MeTheOneth 8 ай бұрын
Hera is #1 on the ladder when I'm posting this comment, at 2644 ELO
@the_troll2200
@the_troll2200 5 жыл бұрын
only 250 units can die on a tile at one time. If u for example have 1 thousand long bows on one tile stuck between walls and oneger them 250 units die but 750 units r invisible and still take up pop space the crazy thing is they r invisible and useless until an enemy unit comes by and the long bows start firing out of the wall still invisible. idk how to make them visible again or if an monk can still convert them idk even if they r visible to ur enemy/allies. if u could do a video on this or just test this and clear things up for me that would be very helpful. pls let me know if u get time or a are willing to test this.
@coreylewis1355
@coreylewis1355 5 жыл бұрын
A beginner guide would be spectacular my good sir!!!!
@cjc2010
@cjc2010 3 жыл бұрын
Ah-ha! He's Canadian. Now that I know it seems so obvious given the accent...
@khaledabdulkarimful
@khaledabdulkarimful 5 жыл бұрын
I love getting extra Tcs,the feeling of having that huge trickle of resources .....
@Katniss218
@Katniss218 5 жыл бұрын
More gameplay videos!
@twity1337
@twity1337 5 жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me the names of the music tracks that SotL uses in his videos? 🤩
@antelal
@antelal 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Would have liked to seen the 2 TC stats besides the others :)
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 4 жыл бұрын
Now I understand why farms yield less food than animals. Villagers sell the crops at the town center for meat.
@TomJerry12933
@TomJerry12933 5 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you got Hera to join you. do similar for future vids!
@UncoolNegated
@UncoolNegated 3 жыл бұрын
So if you stick with one town center then you need to attack quick.
@Alguem387
@Alguem387 3 жыл бұрын
Nooow you have to decide carefully when to 1 TC push, Haha horse goes brrrrrrrrrrr
@jeffsirloin2558
@jeffsirloin2558 2 жыл бұрын
where are the numbers for only 1 extra tc, what is the justification for 3 as opposed to two?
@TheFormHater
@TheFormHater 4 жыл бұрын
average villager time for resources is marxian economic value very progressive of sotl to calculate it that way and also proof that value theory of labor is universal since sotl came to it organically
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