The more I flew these motors, the more I started to think there was something different about them. I dunno -- maybe I should do a blind A/B test. What do you think?
@DroneAcharya93 жыл бұрын
Yes you definitely should
@OwenBeresford3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@Bill148863 жыл бұрын
Yes ,blind test . But add a 3rd and see if you can name all 3 . Woooo
@Quick-Flash3 жыл бұрын
Stick the uav tune on it. See how it handles.
@sunol12123 жыл бұрын
Yes, but please use the lower pitch props Bob recommends on both A and B.
@sugasheeze3 жыл бұрын
"He sent me these motors but I don't know the size because he wouldn't tell me." None of us believe that FPV's resident nerd didn't pull out the calipers and measure the stator.
@tb66383 жыл бұрын
That was my first thought. Seemed more like he was challenging JB to figure it out.
@AndyDreadFPV3 жыл бұрын
^^ THIS on thousand times
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
Just because I won't say doesn't mean I don't know.
@Moonsauc33 жыл бұрын
It just means if a manufacturer wants to copy the motor, they'll have to at least buy a few from him to figure out the motor size
@Quick-Flash3 жыл бұрын
Hes let some of us know the size. I figured the size out without seeing on in person and he confirmed it
@sugasheeze3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite parts about this hobby is how hobbyist driven it is. People like Kabab, Dave C, Allesandro, and Ummagawd are the ones truly driving the hobby forwards--the companies selling this stuff basically serve to mass manufacture their innovations. Kabab is literally just a dentist doing this stuff in his spare time. The new 2.4ghz long range crazy wasn't started by ImmersionRC or TBS, it was started by some dude in Australia with ExpressLRS--and it vastly outperforms the professional competition. What a time to be alive man.
@definingslawek47313 жыл бұрын
express lrs 2.4 outperforms tracer/ ghost?
@truggles1202 жыл бұрын
Yes
@andrewnelson37253 жыл бұрын
Dude, you've gotten much better at flying. Seriously
@MadVultureFPV3 жыл бұрын
Yeah! I was thinking the same! Pretty impressive evolution JB!
@Romasu_3 жыл бұрын
He used to fly like a noob for years. But he knew so damn much. Now he knows it all and can fly it all
@JeromeDemers3 жыл бұрын
the fun thing with those motors is that the money you send Bob goes 110% back into this hobby.
@Politicallyhomeless9573 жыл бұрын
Kabab has done so much for FPV. I found him early but it amazes me how many peeps in CA don’t have a clue
@bugsy7423 жыл бұрын
I need a T shirt with “I watched Joshua Bardwell & learned something” on it! 😃😎
@JonE5FPV3 жыл бұрын
I found these what I call “cinematic motors” to be so incredibly smooth for the purposes of getting the smoothest dynamic footage it is a total game changer. Excellent work Kabab. Loved being able to show the exact type of shots movies capture that these can also do in my review.
@grizzlyfpv75373 жыл бұрын
I love how they corner like love love the cornering but also it’s the pilot flying so well. The motors sound smooth and less aggressive. But that cornering is heavenly
@bugsy7423 жыл бұрын
Totally agree mate - I can only dream of cornering like that, it was bloody majestic 😎👍
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic flying, Joshua!!! 😃 Thanks a lot for the review!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@jaujud3 жыл бұрын
I think you should stop leeching views from bigger FPV channels. Posting the same message on all well known FPV channels gets old pretty fast. I would recommend to keep your channel relevant by other means. It has been more than a year since you posted a video.
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
@@jaujud Dude, I watch those videos. That's why I comment in them. There's nothing to do with my channel. As you said yourself, I don't post anything for a long time! For what would I want views? It makes no sense. Worse yet, most of my videos are in Portuguese only. Why the hell someone who doesn't speak Portuguese would watch it? Forget that I exist, dude. Come on.
@jdsrcs80613 жыл бұрын
Love watching quads fly, especially with awesome pilots. I would have hit the barn, a few trees, a couple of sections of fence!!!!🤣🤣🤣
@gqp48003 жыл бұрын
Do it
@wrenchingvids3 жыл бұрын
I don't know what these motors are or the significance of them, but it's just a joy watching you fly.
@gammagonad16573 жыл бұрын
I think these motors fly great! Especially when carrying a heavy Hero8/9. I personally never had any desinc issues. Of course I already run all of my ESCs at the settings that he recommends. It improves the way all of my quads handle, plus I feel that I get longer run time as well. Another great product Kabab! Full disclosure... I am an FPVCycle fan boy though. Bob don’t make no crap
@hepstah3 жыл бұрын
Random question -- where is the throttle cut that is mentioned on the page set?
@WEEBER133 жыл бұрын
Currently putting these on my Glide... Thanks for reviewing, JB!
@ShebanFPV3 жыл бұрын
I got two 5" quads (Armattan Badger and Marmotte), both were running excellent on T-Motor F60 Pro IV 1750kv (6s). Replaced motors with the FPV Cycle 1880kv, have set the recommended ESC settings (demag/timing/rampup power as per FPV Cycle web site). They fly great, throttle control and resolution is excellent, so much power especially at low end, flying them is lots of fun, makes you feel confident TILL you get a desync, half desync and/or random wobbles/twitches during complex maneuvers like yaw-roll-flip which makes them unreliable and worthless especially if you fly bando and trying to hit a gap through the roof or flying miles away over mountains or over the water... Also I can hear something similar to bearing noise on a new motor! Nice but raw unfinished product. Sorry.
@_Brando_693 жыл бұрын
I love mine I have the white ones. I love the control they have.
@djilly753 жыл бұрын
You need to start bouncing off that trompoline when your flying. It's so fun. I mean bounce with the quad not you 😂😂😂
@divingfalconfpv46023 жыл бұрын
Liked it better when it was him bouncing with goggles and transmitter while flying
@bugsy7423 жыл бұрын
@@divingfalconfpv4602 😅 yes mate 😆👍
@djilly753 жыл бұрын
Also you can fly really low to the ground easier with these motors. The throttle control/ resolution is amazing
@AndyDreadFPV3 жыл бұрын
i've been able to get more low-end resolution by just changing props
@outlawfpv37923 жыл бұрын
FPV party at Joshua's....but you can't fly until you paint a cpl fence panels.
@grizzlyfpv75373 жыл бұрын
Lol I’m down let’s paint it sky blue
@konstantkrash3 жыл бұрын
He's gotta clean the pool first! And heat it.
@princesfpvdrones3 жыл бұрын
Because of these motors I was able to perform my very first power loop! Such awesome low end control!
@jodyking72783 жыл бұрын
Love Bob's stuff.
@gmivisualsjason37293 жыл бұрын
Great video as always Joshua. I definitely think Bob shouldn't of given you any info about "what to expect" so you could totally fly them vanilla!
@gqp48003 жыл бұрын
Like that shirt. Bought my son one that looked like ugly Christmas sweater with bot logo snd ringed with skull and bones. You the man
@mickyg023 жыл бұрын
Who is Bob and I'm already ordering the motor 30 seconds in!!
@GetOffYourAss3 жыл бұрын
Dig the Botgrinder shirt!
@terrorbirbfpv47323 жыл бұрын
no, but i respect bob for his innovation and pushing himself to try and find perfectly flying products.
@EnlightenedSavage3 жыл бұрын
From a physics standpoint a wider motor is going to give you more torque but also have more inertial mass to spin up. Making the motor thinner would counter act that but would also reduce the advantages mentioned. This is something you would have to probably plot out on a chart to really see what the differences are between the motors. You would also have to back that up with data acquisitions.
@babakzekibi3153 жыл бұрын
It seems like Kabab made a good motor. It looks like it has a different power characteristic
@afpv22253 жыл бұрын
Just made my maiden flight with emerald version of these. Tekko32 f3, 96khz stock settings w rpm working fine. No desyncs! I must say that there is definitely someting here... Also power is insane even compered to my 1800kv 2208 Xings.
@pippifpv3 жыл бұрын
Would like to try these motors.. But they are out of stock. And with the hype they are receiving now, most likely they will be, rest of the year, haha. Just like the glide frame. The glide lite, seems to be in stock 2 weeks, and then out of stock the next couple of months. I might be exaggerating now, but I might not be.
@PhantomFPV3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Durability, power, performance. I used to smoke through 2207's, 2307, and the like. Started rocking 2407's...game changed.
@ewan_young3 жыл бұрын
Nice navy blue ford mustang !
@Line-of-sight-cinema2 жыл бұрын
I have 3 vortex 250's from immersion rc ! I fly them all the time and I love them lol Its actually my profile pic thumbnail for KZbin.
@Cappurnikus3 жыл бұрын
I really liked all the tight freestyle around the fence. 👍
@cpfpv64103 жыл бұрын
You made a great point around the 3min mark about the Vortex from IRC as a bind and fly but I think its worth mentioning that the Vortex was $500!!! lol. Not only are BNF's much much better now but the price has come way way down from the days of yesteryear.
@slopeyfpv34123 жыл бұрын
Joshua bardwell your props are amazing I switched from using johnny juicy and pb&j props in love how your props handle on my quad
@butcher3 жыл бұрын
It seems to motors with higher torque tend to desync without lower startup power and high demag compensation. I had a lot of headackes about this with 10" quads.
@TheMadmacs3 жыл бұрын
i can't help wondering if slower quads are just easier to fly, i went from dys 2207 2750kv and dal 5047's to a heavier quad with xing e 2207 2750 kv with iflight nepal 5140's, its slower but more linear and that thing were my dys dal combo with a good battery was very different at the beginning of the pack than the middle and end vanished, i've since moved to cheapo packs and its even better, it turns out theres very few circumstances where i need a 0-60mph of 0.3secs, turns out 0.5secs is plenty.
@markcloudchaser8743 жыл бұрын
I'd like these on my Mini 2 lol.. what a great video JB, awesome flying 👊💯
@pkvillager3 жыл бұрын
I like mine alot on my 5" Apex that I used to run Mr Steele Stouts on. I LOVE the Stouts. However I run them with a 80% throttle limit and in a full throttle punch down my block I reach the top speed quickly and they stop accelerating. That is not a bad thing just something I notice. I run the throttle limit becuase I fly around my yard and want more low throttle resolution. Switching to the FPV cycle motors I run the same limit and on those down the block rips the FPV cylces keep pulling and I let off first. I have had no desyncs but I only have 6 packs through them and they were not very aggressive due to not wanting to dig my quad out of the snow if I crashed. I run them on a KISS FETtec stack. I "think" I notice a tad more low throttle control but my stouts are excelent and there isnt a big difference other than the down the block rip I mentioned. I also like the weight, my Apex was actuall too light for my tatse at 550g and the FPVcyles put me to about 561g and I like it more but still want to get closer to 580g.
@qpmkro3 жыл бұрын
add gps
@pkvillager3 жыл бұрын
@@qpmkro I actually have one but took it off before swapping motors. It’s the TBS one and it kinda sucks and doesn’t get a lock often. But the FPVcycle motors are bigger and higher kv so it makes sense that it has more top end.
@johncarold3 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh I have been looking at Bob's 2004 motors for a 4in I'm flying, but I'm liking these with the new tune. I will like to see more of them later to make sure that they don't dsink again. I would love to see them on a ultra light frame. Well Thanks for the video and information on Bob's motors.
@sylvanlight1203 жыл бұрын
Been waiting to see these motors fly... Man, I'm gonna have to build a 6s quad!
@markolsenzog3 жыл бұрын
That botgrinder shirt rocks
@moblades13 жыл бұрын
I see you have found ways to stretch out your content for more videos :) I don't blame you really. It makes sense with all the shorts and outtakes etc. I get that it helps with time etc and helps keep your YT standing with algorithms and views. I am taking notes on all this by the way ;)
@jhughes22863 жыл бұрын
I love all the new fence boards!
@JamesManimal3 жыл бұрын
I mean just look at his 1303 5000kv motors. they're just perfect. wider flatter motors give you speed and low end torque. its like a turbo charged 4cyl diesel motor in a jeep that gets 40mpg and doesn't' get caught in the weeds.
@whitmeade48342 жыл бұрын
I realize that this video was posted a year ago, but I have put lumenier zip 2407 1700kv motors on a 5inch quad, and I think they are some of the best motors you could get and put on a quad.
@permanentlygrounded77703 жыл бұрын
I have the 30mm motors. Love those things.
@AdroitConceptions3 жыл бұрын
Won't changing the motors mean that the PID settings would need to be changed also? If the motor has a different response, then it would change the response to the overall quad, which means the PID loop should be configured differently. To me, it sounds like a bench test would be a good way to tell the difference between motors - get thrust, vibration, power draw, etc. which then would be able to do steps/etc in the input speed, to see how it responds to the various changes. At which one could look at the response times, power efficiency, thrust, etc to figure out what motor would work best for a build.
@peterzingler62213 жыл бұрын
True. But not really true with bf 4.2 that flies mostly perfect on every 5inch
@AdroitConceptions3 жыл бұрын
@@peterzingler6221 when we are talking about possibly small differences in motor performance, 'mostly perfect' is probably not good enough. Also a specific tune is going to work better or worse on different setups (frame, motors, props, mass distribution on the frame, size of battery, go-pro or not, etc). I have no doubt that your correct that the base tune works reasonably well for most variations of the above, but when we are going 'this motor is better at x then y motor' using the same tune could be favoring one motor over the other, possibly significantly. Another thing is that different motors are going to be making different trade offs between response time, torque, max thrust, power draw, etc. So the best motor for one situation isn't automatically the best motor for another.
@leazyfpv55213 жыл бұрын
JB said wow 38 times. We have ourselves a winner. #BobRoogiIsGod
@leoponce82ponce3 жыл бұрын
3:47 ... what a wonderful world
@swg_fpv3 жыл бұрын
Glad it's good - Bob works hard and so his work had paid off
@brendand.22693 жыл бұрын
Not that good. Desyncs already and he’s already changing a couple things and redesigning.
@swg_fpv3 жыл бұрын
@@brendand.2269 If you use the settings he tells you to use, there aren't desyncs so what's wrong with them?
@inthetreefpvsemeglas73803 жыл бұрын
Would be interesting to see some osd overlay action 🦆 Killer fying
@jstagzsr3 жыл бұрын
Those dont look that big.. I use 2407 ethix konasty motors.. Those look like 2406 or maybe 2407, maybe even 2507.. Somewhere near there.. but I love the torque of larger motors. I gotta get my hands on some of these!!
@escobarfpv12753 жыл бұрын
Yeah......I’m just gonna stick with my budget motors.
@thorsten78682 жыл бұрын
#UPDATE: How to do a 3"-version of this video?
@edwright82793 жыл бұрын
How you supposed to know 4s, 5s, 6s??? Not a fan of kabob. Bardwell rules though!
@AGILISFPV3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss dude. So excited about these
@victorstr93963 жыл бұрын
There was a Racerstar 2403 motor back in the old days that was kinda similar in concept but the build and performance of that motor were terrible. Bob truly found something and made his motor right.
@rorycadorette84203 жыл бұрын
These look sweet.. another choice of motors to upgrade to... just great.. they seem to have tons of punch too.. wondering if the 4s version of the emeralds would have the same outcome??
@jaujud3 жыл бұрын
I don't think there's a 4s version of these motors. Bob recommends at least 5s on 2200kv to get high performance. Apparently 4s would be ok for cruising but not so much for hardcore freestyle.
@fairlyfunctional22363 жыл бұрын
seem like nice motors.super nice rip too.
@michaelmatthews64213 жыл бұрын
Ok, yes, wow is the correct response
@jlarson423 жыл бұрын
Curious how these motors would feel on the Mr Steele build. Happy flying. 🤓
@rutledgeking76523 жыл бұрын
Yep I agree buuuut I would like to see JB do a back tuck
@schnurrfpv45943 жыл бұрын
There amazing the low end throttle is insane. I had them on a apex. I fly the moongoat now but they are worth every penny. I got videos check them out. Schnab is my channel name
@jlarson423 жыл бұрын
@@rutledgeking7652 Joshua do a back tuck? Umm we need him in one piece to finish his ultimate build video. 🤓
@abhiramreddy48493 жыл бұрын
hey look,bardwell painted his fence for the first time lol,i think the motors are about 2504-2505 in size
@djilly753 жыл бұрын
They care great for pulling out of crazy dives
@kevinsmith94203 жыл бұрын
Rocking a Bot shirt! Nice.
@dronepilot260rc3 жыл бұрын
Awesome BotGrinder shirt 👍
@StantonLuke3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Bob would do a 2404.5 motor could be wrong though?!
@pippifpv3 жыл бұрын
You Could be close.. I. Think we are closer to 2505 or 2604 or something crazy like that..
@brendand.22693 жыл бұрын
“Secret” size? Desyncs? Special settings? Manufacturing problems? Annnnd he’s already redesigned these motors? Noooooo thank you!!!!!KOREAREA TOA LITE 2208 MOTORS ALL DAY
@geterdnboy3 жыл бұрын
Today I learned
@moblades13 жыл бұрын
By the way, I have heard these motors are really great at recovering from dives etc. They are supposed to be much smoother on the recovery.
@lockingpaul3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait till summer! Fxxxk winter! Any word on what’s going on with the R-I’d? Someone making a module or is anything over 249 strictly out of the question 2022
@captainsumtingwong3 жыл бұрын
What's a "D Sink" or" D Sync" problem? 🤔
@Lizlodude3 жыл бұрын
For an ESC to drive a motor, it has to know where the motor is (rotation wise). If it loses track of where the motor is, then they both freak out and stop working, which usually causes the kwad to freak out and fall out of the sky.
@captainsumtingwong3 жыл бұрын
@@Lizlodude Aaaaah! So it's really "desync" and has nothing to do with D in PID ;-)
@Mekanikern3 жыл бұрын
Joshua, isen’t this just a lower KV of your old lovable 2407-7 2500KV? I would love to see a back-to-back test!
@trajanfpv3 жыл бұрын
Nice flying. Noticed that you are wearing the Orcas not the Skyzones, any reason why?
@peterzingler62213 жыл бұрын
Kabab is the priest of motors.
@crazychange56353 жыл бұрын
I want the white storm trooper their so beautiful the 2207 1880kv I think.
@benjaminscordamaglia60313 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@BaliDroneServices2 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh, greeting from Bali Island, Indonesia. I have a situation here. I have 4 motors xing-e pro 2207 1800kv but the old stack (Foxeer F722 V2 ~ SucceX 45A) has been burnt somehow. And now I have another stack from Diatone (Mamba DJI 722 MK2 ~ F55_128K). The Q is: Can I use this new stack with the Xing-E Pro 2207 1800KV? Considering the Max Burst (Amp number. Kindly look forward to your answer. 🙏🏻😊 Thanks
@owensspace2 жыл бұрын
How have I not seen this video?
@charleshenshaw90993 жыл бұрын
At first you were like no real difference. Then later on as you were starting to rip it, then you were like Yes there it is......
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
Yeah for sure I think there is something to these motors the more I fly them.
@jimboloco5393 жыл бұрын
As nice as a motor it may be, not disclosing the stator size in the standard unit we all use isn't a very engineer-ly thing to do lol. Why should we trust his research if he wont disclose one of the most basic elements in the formula so we can test it for ourselves... Im sorry i just smell marketing.
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
The only way to really judge a motor's performance is to fly it and/or to bench test it. Telling you the stator size should not actually be necessary. If I give you a 33 gram motor that flies amazing, then you should ask, "what is the stator size, isn't that interesting." You shouldn't need to be told, "This is a XXXX motor," and then you think you already know how it's going to fly.
@jimboloco5393 жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaBardwell "The only way to really judge a motor's performance is to fly it and/or to bench test it." I fully agree, how else would you get enough data to verify that the changed parameters did in fact change the characteristics of the motor, in the intended way. "Telling you the stator size should not actually be necessary. " Not conducive to learning what parameters effect what changes. And then being able to use our standard units to compare. Surely most would agree mo data mo better? "If I give you a 33 gram motor that flies amazing, then you should ask, "what is the stator size, isn't that interesting." You shouldn't need to be told, "This is a XXXX motor," and then you think you already know how it's going to fly." Assumption on your part, could be characterized as ad hominem? Not trying to be a smartass, I'm genuinely interested in why people speak so highly of these motors. How many are simply won over by marketing sizzle? Maybe Kebab has cracked the nut though all the time/effort/money he has invested in research. He may have a very effective method of profiling a motor and doesn't want to share. Who knows.
@d6m6nk6ng63 жыл бұрын
I can't get tight tracking like when you corner around the light pole. If I tried that my quad seem to drift or keep floating even though I've moved the sticks.
@townc28243 жыл бұрын
Next time do a blind test :)
@biggfpv27213 жыл бұрын
They are nice but not until he fixes them i have 8 imperials and have tried 3 different escs and recommended settings and they sit useless now keep desyncing
@ShebanFPV3 жыл бұрын
Same shit ☹️
@skyweaver31993 жыл бұрын
Awesome man
@Sk8_FPV3 жыл бұрын
I got the green ones but the 1103ish size. I had desync issues and only flew 2 packs. Would it be the same for those or is it just the big dogs?
@helixinwonderland89383 жыл бұрын
Just grab a Pachymeter and measure it. Cheers
@scu-dub3 жыл бұрын
Also have my eyes set on the gep rc Cygnet what should I do!!!!!!! I'm about to get a kite in a min!!!!! Novice 2 has crappy radio Novice 3 has crappy goggles......like wtf!!!!!I wish I could make my own bundle I would take the Cygnet with the lite radio and cobra x goggles!
@brianlangford72783 жыл бұрын
Lol getting squirrely son
@MattyBluntz3 жыл бұрын
Hello JB! Mark Spatz blackbox tuning link? Please and thank you! 🖤📦
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
It's in the video description :-)
@mikespeedyfpv3213 жыл бұрын
One love Joshua bardwell
@franzferdinand12 жыл бұрын
so whats currently the "best" freestyle motor now?
@pooljunki12 жыл бұрын
wow
@chrismillersrcfamily3 жыл бұрын
@1:44 mustang out of its stable😉
@smooth_ops29423 жыл бұрын
What does a gay horse eat?........ HAAAYYYYY........😜
@chrismillersrcfamily3 жыл бұрын
@@smooth_ops2942 ? Enquirering mind is dien to know
@smooth_ops29423 жыл бұрын
@@chrismillersrcfamily Push the "read more" on the comment.
@alainassaf3 жыл бұрын
Hello JB. Is the advertised weight correct ? and if so, how ???
@sjoervanderploeg43403 жыл бұрын
A wider motor can spool the prop faster
@MrSabram073 жыл бұрын
I guess I'm just too new to notice any sort of difference between any of them
@ThePrankX3 жыл бұрын
Should let people know these desync with 6s batteries.
@JoshuaBardwell3 жыл бұрын
Did you.... watch? The. Video? I'm gonna guess no.