Do you need a gigantic motor for five inch freestyle | FPVCYCLE FIVE INCH MOTOR

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The more I flew these motors, the more I started to think there was something different about them. I dunno -- maybe I should do a blind A/B test. What do you think?

[@DroneAcharya9]

Yes you definitely should

[@OwenBeresford]

Absolutely

[@Bill14886]

Yes ,blind test . But add a 3rd and see if you can name all 3 . Woooo

[@Quick-Flash]

Stick the uav tune on it. See how it handles.

[@sunol1212]

Yes, but please use the lower pitch props Bob recommends on both A and B.

[@sugasheeze]

"He sent me these motors but I don't know the size because he wouldn't tell me." None of us believe that FPV's resident nerd didn't pull out the calipers and measure the stator.

[@tb6638]

That was my first thought. Seemed more like he was challenging JB to figure it out.

[@AndyDreadFPV]

^^ THIS on thousand times

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Just because I won't say doesn't mean I don't know.

[@Moonsauc3]

It just means if a manufacturer wants to copy the motor, they'll have to at least buy a few from him to figure out the motor size

[@Quick-Flash]

Hes let some of us know the size. I figured the size out without seeing on in person and he confirmed it

[@sugasheeze]

One of my favorite parts about this hobby is how hobbyist driven it is. People like Kabab, Dave C, Allesandro, and Ummagawd are the ones truly driving the hobby forwards--the companies selling this stuff basically serve to mass manufacture their innovations. Kabab is literally just a dentist doing this stuff in his spare time. The new 2.4ghz long range crazy wasn't started by ImmersionRC or TBS, it was started by some dude in Australia with ExpressLRS--and it vastly outperforms the professional competition. What a time to be alive man.

[@definingslawek4731]

express lrs 2.4 outperforms tracer/ ghost?

[@truggles120]

Yes

[@andrewnelson3725]

Dude, you've gotten much better at flying. Seriously

[@MadVultureFPV]

Yeah! I was thinking the same! Pretty impressive evolution JB!

[@Romasu_]

He used to fly like a noob for years. But he knew so damn much. Now he knows it all and can fly it all

[@JeromeDemers]

the fun thing with those motors is that the money you send Bob goes 110% back into this hobby.

[@Politicallyhomeless957]

Kabab has done so much for FPV. I found him early but it amazes me how many peeps in CA don’t have a clue

[@bugsy742]

I need a T shirt with “I watched Joshua Bardwell & learned something” on it! 😃😎

[@JonE5FPV]

I found these what I call “cinematic motors” to be so incredibly smooth for the purposes of getting the smoothest dynamic footage it is a total game changer. Excellent work Kabab. Loved being able to show the exact type of shots movies capture that these can also do in my review.

[@grizzlyfpv7537]

I love how they corner like love love the cornering but also it’s the pilot flying so well. The motors sound smooth and less aggressive. But that cornering is heavenly

[@bugsy742]

Totally agree mate - I can only dream of cornering like that, it was bloody majestic 😎👍

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying, Joshua!!! 😃 Thanks a lot for the review!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@jaujud]

I think you should stop leeching views from bigger FPV channels. Posting the same message on all well known FPV channels gets old pretty fast. I would recommend to keep your channel relevant by other means. It has been more than a year since you posted a video.

[@MCsCreations]

@@jaujud Dude, I watch those videos. That's why I comment in them. There's nothing to do with my channel. As you said yourself, I don't post anything for a long time! For what would I want views? It makes no sense. Worse yet, most of my videos are in Portuguese only. Why the hell someone who doesn't speak Portuguese would watch it? Forget that I exist, dude. Come on.

[@jdsrcs8061]

Love watching quads fly, especially with awesome pilots. I would have hit the barn, a few trees, a couple of sections of fence!!!!🤣🤣🤣

[@gqp4800]

Do it

[@wrenchingvids]

I don't know what these motors are or the significance of them, but it's just a joy watching you fly.

[@gammagonad1657]

I think these motors fly great! Especially when carrying a heavy Hero8/9. I personally never had any desinc issues. Of course I already run all of my ESCs at the settings that he recommends. It improves the way all of my quads handle, plus I feel that I get longer run time as well. Another great product Kabab! Full disclosure... I am an FPVCycle fan boy though. Bob don’t make no crap

[@hepstah]

Random question -- where is the throttle cut that is mentioned on the page set?

[@WEEBER13]

Currently putting these on my Glide... Thanks for reviewing, JB!

[@ShebanFPV]

I got two 5" quads (Armattan Badger and Marmotte), both were running excellent on T-Motor F60 Pro IV 1750kv (6s). Replaced motors with the FPV Cycle 1880kv, have set the recommended ESC settings (demag/timing/rampup power as per FPV Cycle web site). They fly great, throttle control and resolution is excellent, so much power especially at low end, flying them is lots of fun, makes you feel confident TILL you get a desync, half desync and/or random wobbles/twitches during complex maneuvers like yaw-roll-flip which makes them unreliable and worthless especially if you fly bando and trying to hit a gap through the roof or flying miles away over mountains or over the water... Also I can hear something similar to bearing noise on a new motor! Nice but raw unfinished product. Sorry.

[@_Brando_69]

I love mine I have the white ones. I love the control they have.

[@djilly75]

You need to start bouncing off that trompoline when your flying. It's so fun. I mean bounce with the quad not you 😂😂😂

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

Liked it better when it was him bouncing with goggles and transmitter while flying

[@bugsy742]

@@divingfalconfpv4602 😅 yes mate 😆👍

[@djilly75]

Also you can fly really low to the ground easier with these motors. The throttle control/ resolution is amazing

[@AndyDreadFPV]

i've been able to get more low-end resolution by just changing props

[@outlawfpv3792]

FPV party at Joshua's....but you can't fly until you paint a cpl fence panels.

[@grizzlyfpv7537]

Lol I’m down let’s paint it sky blue

[@konstantkrash]

He's gotta clean the pool first! And heat it.

[@princesfpvdrones]

Because of these motors I was able to perform my very first power loop! Such awesome low end control!

[@jodyking7278]

Love Bob's stuff.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Great video as always Joshua. I definitely think Bob shouldn't of given you any info about "what to expect" so you could totally fly them vanilla!

[@gqp4800]

Like that shirt. Bought my son one that looked like ugly Christmas sweater with bot logo snd ringed with skull and bones. You the man

[@mickyg02]

Who is Bob and I'm already ordering the motor 30 seconds in!!

[@GetOffYourAss]

Dig the Botgrinder shirt!

[@terrorbirbfpv4732]

no, but i respect bob for his innovation and pushing himself to try and find perfectly flying products.

[@EnlightenedSavage]

From a physics standpoint a wider motor is going to give you more torque but also have more inertial mass to spin up. Making the motor thinner would counter act that but would also reduce the advantages mentioned. This is something you would have to probably plot out on a chart to really see what the differences are between the motors. You would also have to back that up with data acquisitions.

[@babakzekibi315]

It seems like Kabab made a good motor. It looks like it has a different power characteristic

[@afpv2225]

Just made my maiden flight with emerald version of these. Tekko32 f3, 96khz stock settings w rpm working fine. No desyncs! I must say that there is definitely someting here... Also power is insane even compered to my 1800kv 2208 Xings.

[@pippifpv]

Would like to try these motors.. But they are out of stock. And with the hype they are receiving now, most likely they will be, rest of the year, haha. Just like the glide frame. The glide lite, seems to be in stock 2 weeks, and then out of stock the next couple of months. I might be exaggerating now, but I might not be.

[@PhantomFPV]

Yes. Durability, power, performance. I used to smoke through 2207's, 2307, and the like. Started rocking 2407's...game changed.

[@ewan_young]

Nice navy blue ford mustang !

[@Line-of-sight-cinema]

I have 3 vortex 250's from immersion rc ! I fly them all the time and I love them lol Its actually my profile pic thumbnail for KZbin.

[@Cappurnikus]

I really liked all the tight freestyle around the fence. 👍

[@cpfpv6410]

You made a great point around the 3min mark about the Vortex from IRC as a bind and fly but I think its worth mentioning that the Vortex was $500!!! lol. Not only are BNF's much much better now but the price has come way way down from the days of yesteryear.

[@slopeyfpv3412]

Joshua bardwell your props are amazing I switched from using johnny juicy and pb&j props in love how your props handle on my quad

[@butcher]

It seems to motors with higher torque tend to desync without lower startup power and high demag compensation. I had a lot of headackes about this with 10" quads.

[@TheMadmacs]

i can't help wondering if slower quads are just easier to fly, i went from dys 2207 2750kv and dal 5047's to a heavier quad with xing e 2207 2750 kv with iflight nepal 5140's, its slower but more linear and that thing were my dys dal combo with a good battery was very different at the beginning of the pack than the middle and end vanished, i've since moved to cheapo packs and its even better, it turns out theres very few circumstances where i need a 0-60mph of 0.3secs, turns out 0.5secs is plenty.

[@markcloudchaser874]

I'd like these on my Mini 2 lol.. what a great video JB, awesome flying 👊💯

[@pkvillager]

I like mine alot on my 5" Apex that I used to run Mr Steele Stouts on. I LOVE the Stouts. However I run them with a 80% throttle limit and in a full throttle punch down my block I reach the top speed quickly and they stop accelerating. That is not a bad thing just something I notice. I run the throttle limit becuase I fly around my yard and want more low throttle resolution. Switching to the FPV cycle motors I run the same limit and on those down the block rips the FPV cylces keep pulling and I let off first. I have had no desyncs but I only have 6 packs through them and they were not very aggressive due to not wanting to dig my quad out of the snow if I crashed. I run them on a KISS FETtec stack. I "think" I notice a tad more low throttle control but my stouts are excelent and there isnt a big difference other than the down the block rip I mentioned. I also like the weight, my Apex was actuall too light for my tatse at 550g and the FPVcyles put me to about 561g and I like it more but still want to get closer to 580g.

[@qpmkro]

add gps

[@pkvillager]

@@qpmkro I actually have one but took it off before swapping motors. It’s the TBS one and it kinda sucks and doesn’t get a lock often. But the FPVcycle motors are bigger and higher kv so it makes sense that it has more top end.

[@johncarold]

Hi Josh I have been looking at Bob's 2004 motors for a 4in I'm flying, but I'm liking these with the new tune. I will like to see more of them later to make sure that they don't dsink again. I would love to see them on a ultra light frame. Well Thanks for the video and information on Bob's motors.

[@sylvanlight120]

Been waiting to see these motors fly... Man, I'm gonna have to build a 6s quad!

[@markolsenzog]

That botgrinder shirt rocks

[@moblades1]

I see you have found ways to stretch out your content for more videos :) I don't blame you really. It makes sense with all the shorts and outtakes etc. I get that it helps with time etc and helps keep your YT standing with algorithms and views. I am taking notes on all this by the way ;)

[@jhughes2286]

I love all the new fence boards!

[@JamesManimal]

I mean just look at his 1303 5000kv motors. they're just perfect. wider flatter motors give you speed and low end torque. its like a turbo charged 4cyl diesel motor in a jeep that gets 40mpg and doesn't' get caught in the weeds.

[@whitmeade4834]

I realize that this video was posted a year ago, but I have put lumenier zip 2407 1700kv motors on a 5inch quad, and I think they are some of the best motors you could get and put on a quad.

[@permanentlygrounded7770]

I have the 30mm motors. Love those things.

[@AdroitConceptions]

Won't changing the motors mean that the PID settings would need to be changed also? If the motor has a different response, then it would change the response to the overall quad, which means the PID loop should be configured differently. To me, it sounds like a bench test would be a good way to tell the difference between motors - get thrust, vibration, power draw, etc. which then would be able to do steps/etc in the input speed, to see how it responds to the various changes. At which one could look at the response times, power efficiency, thrust, etc to figure out what motor would work best for a build.

[@peterzingler6221]

True. But not really true with bf 4.2 that flies mostly perfect on every 5inch

[@AdroitConceptions]

@@peterzingler6221 when we are talking about possibly small differences in motor performance, 'mostly perfect' is probably not good enough. Also a specific tune is going to work better or worse on different setups (frame, motors, props, mass distribution on the frame, size of battery, go-pro or not, etc). I have no doubt that your correct that the base tune works reasonably well for most variations of the above, but when we are going 'this motor is better at x then y motor' using the same tune could be favoring one motor over the other, possibly significantly. Another thing is that different motors are going to be making different trade offs between response time, torque, max thrust, power draw, etc. So the best motor for one situation isn't automatically the best motor for another.

[@leazyfpv5521]

JB said wow 38 times. We have ourselves a winner. #BobRoogiIsGod

[@leoponce82ponce]

3:47 ... what a wonderful world

[@swg_fpv]

Glad it's good - Bob works hard and so his work had paid off

[@brendand.2269]

Not that good. Desyncs already and he’s already changing a couple things and redesigning.

[@swg_fpv]

@@brendand.2269 If you use the settings he tells you to use, there aren't desyncs so what's wrong with them?

[@inthetreefpvsemeglas7380]

Would be interesting to see some osd overlay action 🦆 Killer fying

[@jstagzsr]

Those dont look that big.. I use 2407 ethix konasty motors.. Those look like 2406 or maybe 2407, maybe even 2507.. Somewhere near there.. but I love the torque of larger motors. I gotta get my hands on some of these!!

[@escobarfpv1275]

Yeah......I’m just gonna stick with my budget motors.

[@thorsten7868]

#UPDATE: How to do a 3"-version of this video?

[@edwright8279]

How you supposed to know 4s, 5s, 6s??? Not a fan of kabob. Bardwell rules though!

[@AGILISFPV]

Yesssss dude. So excited about these

[@victorstr9396]

There was a Racerstar 2403 motor back in the old days that was kinda similar in concept but the build and performance of that motor were terrible. Bob truly found something and made his motor right.

[@rorycadorette8420]

These look sweet.. another choice of motors to upgrade to... just great.. they seem to have tons of punch too.. wondering if the 4s version of the emeralds would have the same outcome??

[@jaujud]

I don't think there's a 4s version of these motors. Bob recommends at least 5s on 2200kv to get high performance. Apparently 4s would be ok for cruising but not so much for hardcore freestyle.

[@fairlyfunctional2236]

seem like nice motors.super nice rip too.

[@michaelmatthews6421]

Ok, yes, wow is the correct response

[@jlarson42]

Curious how these motors would feel on the Mr Steele build. Happy flying. 🤓

[@rutledgeking7652]

Yep I agree buuuut I would like to see JB do a back tuck

[@schnurrfpv4594]

There amazing the low end throttle is insane. I had them on a apex. I fly the moongoat now but they are worth every penny. I got videos check them out. Schnab is my channel name

[@jlarson42]

@@rutledgeking7652 Joshua do a back tuck? Umm we need him in one piece to finish his ultimate build video. 🤓

[@abhiramreddy4849]

hey look,bardwell painted his fence for the first time lol,i think the motors are about 2504-2505 in size

[@djilly75]

They care great for pulling out of crazy dives

[@kevinsmith9420]

Rocking a Bot shirt! Nice.

[@dronepilot260rc]

Awesome BotGrinder shirt 👍

[@StantonLuke]

I feel like Bob would do a 2404.5 motor could be wrong though?!

[@pippifpv]

You Could be close.. I. Think we are closer to 2505 or 2604 or something crazy like that..

[@brendand.2269]

“Secret” size? Desyncs? Special settings? Manufacturing problems? Annnnd he’s already redesigned these motors? Noooooo thank you!!!!!KOREAREA TOA LITE 2208 MOTORS ALL DAY

[@geterdnboy]

Today I learned

[@moblades1]

By the way, I have heard these motors are really great at recovering from dives etc. They are supposed to be much smoother on the recovery.

[@lockingpaul]

Can’t wait till summer! Fxxxk winter! Any word on what’s going on with the R-I’d? Someone making a module or is anything over 249 strictly out of the question 2022

[@captainsumtingwong]

What's a "D Sink" or" D Sync" problem? 🤔

[@Lizlodude]

For an ESC to drive a motor, it has to know where the motor is (rotation wise). If it loses track of where the motor is, then they both freak out and stop working, which usually causes the kwad to freak out and fall out of the sky.

[@captainsumtingwong]

@@Lizlodude Aaaaah! So it's really "desync" and has nothing to do with D in PID ;-)

[@Mekanikern]

Joshua, isen’t this just a lower KV of your old lovable 2407-7 2500KV? I would love to see a back-to-back test!

[@trajanfpv]

Nice flying. Noticed that you are wearing the Orcas not the Skyzones, any reason why?

[@peterzingler6221]

Kabab is the priest of motors.

[@crazychange5635]

I want the white storm trooper their so beautiful the 2207 1880kv I think.

[@benjaminscordamaglia6031]

Awesome

[@BaliDroneServices]

Hi Josh, greeting from Bali Island, Indonesia. I have a situation here. I have 4 motors xing-e pro 2207 1800kv but the old stack (Foxeer F722 V2 ~ SucceX 45A) has been burnt somehow. And now I have another stack from Diatone (Mamba DJI 722 MK2 ~ F55_128K). The Q is: Can I use this new stack with the Xing-E Pro 2207 1800KV? Considering the Max Burst (Amp number. Kindly look forward to your answer. 🙏🏻😊 Thanks

[@owensspace]

How have I not seen this video?

[@charleshenshaw9099]

At first you were like no real difference. Then later on as you were starting to rip it, then you were like Yes there it is......

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Yeah for sure I think there is something to these motors the more I fly them.

[@jimboloco539]

As nice as a motor it may be, not disclosing the stator size in the standard unit we all use isn't a very engineer-ly thing to do lol. Why should we trust his research if he wont disclose one of the most basic elements in the formula so we can test it for ourselves... Im sorry i just smell marketing.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

The only way to really judge a motor's performance is to fly it and/or to bench test it. Telling you the stator size should not actually be necessary. If I give you a 33 gram motor that flies amazing, then you should ask, "what is the stator size, isn't that interesting." You shouldn't need to be told, "This is a XXXX motor," and then you think you already know how it's going to fly.

[@jimboloco539]

​@@JoshuaBardwell ​"The only way to really judge a motor's performance is to fly it and/or to bench test it." I fully agree, how else would you get enough data to verify that the changed parameters did in fact change the characteristics of the motor, in the intended way. "Telling you the stator size should not actually be necessary. " Not conducive to learning what parameters effect what changes. And then being able to use our standard units to compare. Surely most would agree mo data mo better? "If I give you a 33 gram motor that flies amazing, then you should ask, "what is the stator size, isn't that interesting." You shouldn't need to be told, "This is a XXXX motor," and then you think you already know how it's going to fly." Assumption on your part, could be characterized as ad hominem? Not trying to be a smartass, I'm genuinely interested in why people speak so highly of these motors. How many are simply won over by marketing sizzle? Maybe Kebab has cracked the nut though all the time/effort/money he has invested in research. He may have a very effective method of profiling a motor and doesn't want to share. Who knows.

[@d6m6nk6ng6]

I can't get tight tracking like when you corner around the light pole. If I tried that my quad seem to drift or keep floating even though I've moved the sticks.

[@townc2824]

Next time do a blind test :)

[@biggfpv2721]

They are nice but not until he fixes them i have 8 imperials and have tried 3 different escs and recommended settings and they sit useless now keep desyncing

[@ShebanFPV]

Same shit ☹️

[@skyweaver3199]

Awesome man

[@Sk8_FPV]

I got the green ones but the 1103ish size. I had desync issues and only flew 2 packs. Would it be the same for those or is it just the big dogs?

[@helixinwonderland8938]

Just grab a Pachymeter and measure it. Cheers

[@scu-dub]

Also have my eyes set on the gep rc Cygnet what should I do!!!!!!! I'm about to get a kite in a min!!!!! Novice 2 has crappy radio Novice 3 has crappy goggles......like wtf!!!!!I wish I could make my own bundle I would take the Cygnet with the lite radio and cobra x goggles!

[@brianlangford7278]

Lol getting squirrely son

[@MattyBluntz]

Hello JB! Mark Spatz blackbox tuning link? Please and thank you! 🖤📦

[@JoshuaBardwell]

It's in the video description :-)

[@mikespeedyfpv321]

One love Joshua bardwell

[@franzferdinand1]

so whats currently the "best" freestyle motor now?

[@pooljunki1]

wow

[@chrismillersrcfamily]

@1:44 mustang out of its stable😉

[@smooth_ops2942]

What does a gay horse eat?........ HAAAYYYYY........😜

[@chrismillersrcfamily]

@@smooth_ops2942 ? Enquirering mind is dien to know

[@smooth_ops2942]

@@chrismillersrcfamily Push the "read more" on the comment.

[@alainassaf]

Hello JB. Is the advertised weight correct ? and if so, how ???

[@sjoervanderploeg4340]

A wider motor can spool the prop faster

[@MrSabram07]

I guess I'm just too new to notice any sort of difference between any of them

[@ThePrankX]

Should let people know these desync with 6s batteries.

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Did you.... watch? The. Video? I'm gonna guess no.

[@1baggy0dodo4u]

To the moon!