Do you Need a Multibit DAC? The Schiit Bifrost 2 DAC Review

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@lastwhtknight3002
@lastwhtknight3002 3 жыл бұрын
The World may be going to hell in a handbasket, but dammit I get another 18 min of total enjoyment again. Thank u CheapAudioGuy.
@stephencosta6814
@stephencosta6814 3 жыл бұрын
💯 percent ❤️
@stevezeidman7224
@stevezeidman7224 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of what balanced means and what it does. One of your best reviews yet! Keep the content coming!
@robsandler1818
@robsandler1818 3 жыл бұрын
I just purchased my BiFrost 2 and I absolutely love it. I too am using it with the Freya+. Using the Emotiva XPA-2 Gen 3 amp to power a pair of Vintage Dahlquist DQ10s that I tech refreshed. Sounds incredible. Thanks again for another great review. Two things to point out are that BiFrost includes a remote and Denafrips has no evaluation period. So once you purchase it, it’s yours.
@JayGreezy
@JayGreezy 2 жыл бұрын
Denafrips doesn't have a return policy at ALL?
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 Жыл бұрын
@@JayGreezy Nope
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 Жыл бұрын
That is an epic vintage-meets-new setup! My new setup will include BF2/64 and the XPA-2 Gen 3
@ohgerald
@ohgerald 3 жыл бұрын
Prob the clearest explanation of ‘balanced’ I’ve heard. Thx 👍
@JohnScheppler
@JohnScheppler 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of what a DAC is and balanced connections. Plus a nice review of the Bifrost.
@welderfixer
@welderfixer 3 жыл бұрын
Randy, as always, thanks for another great and honest review. DAC: Bifrost 2 $699, PreAmp: Saga $399, Speaker Amp: Vidar 100 watts/ch $699 = $1800. Add speakers $??? and sub woofer $???. If only the funds were available........ However, my $150 Klipsch ProMedia computer speaker system plugged into the back of my old Dell desktop sounds pretty darn good and will just have to do until I hit the lottery.
@mikecees2230
@mikecees2230 3 жыл бұрын
I had the original ProMedia speaker set (the ones with the on/off switch placed very inconveniently behind the sub). I always thought they were incredible VFM especially when compared to my 10K main system. After owning them for about 20 years I finally gave them to a friend at work. Every time I walk through his work space and hear them I question my sanity for all the money I have spent on high end audio gear. He just says to me (grinning): these things sound pretty good, you should have kept them.
@welderfixer
@welderfixer 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikecees2230 Exactly! I enjoy my "first gen" set everyday.
@jonuiuc
@jonuiuc 3 жыл бұрын
Glad the approx ceiling is now $1k, vs $600, opens it up a little. Still relatively cheap, compared to 65" tvs, top tier mobile phones, and gaming graphics cards.
@jakedw25
@jakedw25 3 жыл бұрын
I was on the fence between the Aries II and the Bifrost. I went with the Bifrost, because I'd rather buy American. It's been fantastic so far. I absolutely love it.
@losriosprofundos2113
@losriosprofundos2113 3 жыл бұрын
I hear ya. I prefer to buy American hifi. I've got a Rogue amp and Revel speakers, but whether it's valid or not, I don't buy audio gear that measures poorly (Audio Science Review).
@m4nc1n1
@m4nc1n1 3 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@ChuckD6809
@ChuckD6809 3 жыл бұрын
I have one too and love it.
@user-bc6ok1yh4s
@user-bc6ok1yh4s 3 жыл бұрын
I too prefer U.S. made audio gear, and I've never had any regrets after the purchase.
@soulfulfool
@soulfulfool 3 жыл бұрын
I went with cheaper topping d70, Ares 2 is double the price of D70 and bifrost not available in EU anyway more expensive
@johnnixon2504
@johnnixon2504 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I’m running bifrost2 > saga+ > Vidar into b&w CM9s2 and I really like the synergy. My speakers have felt thin and bright and the bifrost seems to fill in the mids and lows. The b&w brightness seems to recover some of the “lost” highs so it all works. I dropped my EQ after I got the bifrost.
@jimashby43
@jimashby43 3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the saga for my basement system, it has Laser Disc and Dac cassette recorder, LP, and PC input from the dac, that's 4 inputs, I'd have 1 left.
@fletchermunson6225
@fletchermunson6225 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see that you have sidled up to the kilobuck range of audio. I think this is the real sweet spot on great value for $$$$$$$
@AndyP126
@AndyP126 3 жыл бұрын
The cheapest way to try out Multibit, is to buy an old 80s CD player. The Philips TDA1541 DAC comes highly recommended and can be found in wide range of old CD players.
@user-bc6ok1yh4s
@user-bc6ok1yh4s 3 жыл бұрын
Why did you suggest that??? You just drove the price up on better made eighties CD players.
@RasheedKhan-he6xx
@RasheedKhan-he6xx 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about balanced internal signal paths. There are 2 places where it converts to single ended. Everyone knows the speaker out is single ended, what many people don't realise is the volume control is also single ended. So in your lovely balanced pre-amp with balanced inputs and balanced outputs, deep inside it converts to single ended and back again.
@VintageVic93
@VintageVic93 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, Randy. You just keep getting better.
@chriseggroll
@chriseggroll 3 жыл бұрын
My Freya+, Vidar, and Bifrost 2 are coming today, very excited! Schiit as a company are very cool, their livestreams are funny and interesting usually
@donstockman2531
@donstockman2531 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Randy. This is one of the best value-for-money purchases I've ever made in my life. Keep up the good work Buddy
@SantanKGhey1234
@SantanKGhey1234 3 жыл бұрын
hi Randy, great review... I really enjoy my Denafrips Ares ii
@gg0297
@gg0297 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, Sir! Keep 'em coming! I'm glad you extend your "gear pool" beyond 600$, up to 1k, which is not that far, still in the affordable territory. 👍
@losriosprofundos2113
@losriosprofundos2113 3 жыл бұрын
You're a good man, Randy. Love you
@orelove
@orelove 3 жыл бұрын
I put a Bifrost 2 into my system about a month ago, replacing the SMSL M300 DAC that I previously had in there. Oh, yes! It was the right thing to do, absolutely!
@lukeselker5175
@lukeselker5175 3 жыл бұрын
Are the audiophile salsa screws kept in an Andrew Jones salsa jar? I hear it adds a touch of refinement
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
I missed an opportunity on that one
@PlaybackMansion
@PlaybackMansion 3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you spending time on how it feels. Funny delivery throughout
@odwatchguy
@odwatchguy 3 жыл бұрын
Great review Randy, really enjoyed hearing about the Bifrost 2. If I could just hide the purchase from my wife.
@THEmatthewone
@THEmatthewone 3 жыл бұрын
I’m only one minute and twelve seconds into this video, but I’ve already determined its your best video yet. I put a “Hi-Fi Audio” sticker on my phone and it sounds worlds better than it did previously, I might need to check out your audiophile screws.
@edverbeek6292
@edverbeek6292 3 жыл бұрын
I totally agree, your video’s are not silly AT ALL 😀
@mmf-d7i
@mmf-d7i 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, friend! I’ve been eagerly waiting for this since your DAC Attack.
@5FWS5
@5FWS5 3 жыл бұрын
RANDY: Its the LG V20 I have and it is the best sounding phone I've ever heard. I also own the Bifrost 2. I gotta tell ya as far as "value" goes - I have the Bifrost2 into my vintage Yamaha CR2040 with a pair of Elac Unifi's with my vintage Velodyne sub as my small living room setup and its crazy good
@fatelvis5791
@fatelvis5791 3 жыл бұрын
great review - reminds me of your older reviews. you do not miss on longer reviews
@maestro0428
@maestro0428 3 жыл бұрын
Love Schiit products, love your show. Keep it up.
@MrKarlengel
@MrKarlengel 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, spot on. Less hyped than the ares II but a pretty good performer with very good timbre and satisfying slam. Also future-proofed in a couple of ways.
@kinglear5952
@kinglear5952 2 жыл бұрын
Which ways?
@MrKarlengel
@MrKarlengel 2 жыл бұрын
@@kinglear5952 From Schiit’s website: “Turn Bifrost 2 around, and you’ll see that this DAC is completely modular. Not only that, the modules are designed to slide in from the back of the chassis, meaning this DAC will never have to come back to Schiit for upgrades-you can do it yourself. Firmware updates? Sure, if there are firmware updates, just use the external MicroSD card slot-again, no need for it to come home. Compare this to other DACs, even DACs costing many times more. Only Bifrost 2 provides complete hardware and firmware upgradability, without sending the product in for service.”
@kinglear5952
@kinglear5952 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrKarlengel Fantastic, thank you.
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 3 жыл бұрын
The Xduoo 604 is now my main headphone/ IEM amplifier…however, my DAC output ( balanced) is too much ..my solution was to put a Little Bear balanced passive preamp in the chain prior to amp ..and setting the 604’s volume at noon ..but controlling the input with the 604 ..so the 604 controls are used as the true balance controls and the preamp as the master volume. Btw, current DAC : Drop / Grace Balanced DAC. As usual a great review, thank you.
@jaykabel
@jaykabel 2 жыл бұрын
I recently got the 604 too, and also dealt with the input running hot. Seems like a design flaw. I ALSO got the Little Bear to solve it - worked great
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaykabel I’ve since gotten an IFI Go Blue and now run my IEM’s on that ..however the 604 is now my dedicated amp for my Sen’s 650. The high impedance of the 650’s ( 300 ohm’s) brings out the most of the tubes characteristics 🥰 Btw, have a great weekend and enjoy Father’s Day.
@SteveHolst
@SteveHolst 3 жыл бұрын
I've had a Bifrost 2 for about a year now and I love it.
@hudo
@hudo 3 жыл бұрын
Small correction: Chord is still delta sigma design just implemented in fpga chip for digital part and separate analogue section.
@EdwardRaybould
@EdwardRaybould 3 жыл бұрын
I just discovered your channel today, but I'm now subscribed. Less than a month ago, I bought the Modi (the delta-sigma version) and the Magni to use with my Beyerdynamic DT1990 Pro's. I'm certainly enjoying music a lot more now than I have in the past. I quickly decided that I did want a bit more headroom in the amp, so I've got a Asgard 3 on the way. Figuring that would be it, I ordered the delta-sigma DAC board with it (the ESS ones; they've apparently exhausted their AKM stock). Then yesterday after reading reviews and watching videos, I ordered the Bifrost 2. So I'll have a DAC in the Asgard 3 that probably won't get used.
@smckinnon
@smckinnon Жыл бұрын
Did you ever try the Bifrost 2 with the Asgard?
@homerjones3291
@homerjones3291 3 жыл бұрын
I really like that you don’t make the first “t” in “important” silent.
@lastwhtknight3002
@lastwhtknight3002 3 жыл бұрын
Small victories indeed.
@spinachhandsjklolsmh9053
@spinachhandsjklolsmh9053 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a jab at Ron LOL
@homerjones3291
@homerjones3291 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve just started to notice people doing that, not just Ron. Don’t know if it’s a regional or generational thing, like people not using the long “A” in front of a word that starts with a vowel. “I ate a egg” or such.
@homerjones3291
@homerjones3291 3 жыл бұрын
Had a lady in my accounting class from long ago pronounce dividends as “divy-dends”; I twitched every time I heard her say it. Perhaps I was drinking too much back then - or, possibly, not enough.
@mwcarde
@mwcarde 3 жыл бұрын
I am new here and I subscribed. To Schiit or not to Schiit. That is the question.
@davidsmithson9236
@davidsmithson9236 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had my Bifrost 2 for a couple of months now, and I have to say that I am VERY happy with it. No second thoughts or regrets. No looking back. Worth saving up for. My smartest (luckiest ?) audio purchase, period.
@grahamagnew
@grahamagnew 3 жыл бұрын
😝 4:45 talks about Delta-Sigma DAC and shows block diagram of a Sigma-Delta ADC! Too funny! 😝 But seriously I really like your reviews Randy. You’re a breath of fresh air on the audiophile scene.
@amarichalprego
@amarichalprego 3 жыл бұрын
I love you t-shirt! Alien, what a saga!. Thank for the review, I am considering add an external DAC to my Parasound 200Pre, maybe with aim put (in the future to come) in the Freya+.
@CriPPleR_HD
@CriPPleR_HD 3 жыл бұрын
Own both the Ares 2 and the Bifrost 2. Both sound fantastic. Which one sounds better changes depending on speaker / headphone / and even track parings. It is worth noting that if you plan to use the Ares 2 for gaming or editing, you will suffer signal delays. The Bifrost 2 is better when it comes down to handling latency as their USB Unison is awesome. Unlike the Ares 2 the Bifrost does not require you to download a driver. It is plug and play which is nice. Bifrost also has Roon support that even has an icon for the DAC. I use the Ares 2 on a speaker system that is reserved for 2 channel music only. This is where it shines. Multi purpose use? Not so much. Bifrost 2 is used on my PC for gaming and music paired with the Hifiman Ayre headphones and topping A90 amp.
@mistermatsuda
@mistermatsuda 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know, thanks!
@JayGreezy
@JayGreezy 2 жыл бұрын
Is the Ares II "veiled" or overly warm? I keep hearing the Denafrips described as warm and I like lots of air and details. I'm afraid the Denafrips may end up sounding (to me) like other things described as "warm" which to me sound less detailed and like a big blanket is over the speaker
@noumanintown
@noumanintown 3 жыл бұрын
When I first stumbled upon you channel, I thought your style was too meandering and took too long to get to the meat and potatoes. Now, I watch for 30% audio knowledge, 70% analogies involving violent butchers and vegan bacon.
@josexavierjr.5633
@josexavierjr.5633 3 жыл бұрын
Good review, as usual, Randy. You’re slowly slipping into the not so cheap audio world……but it’s OK because you keep it grounded with those cheap Sony bookshelf speakers that sound so great!
@JayGreezy
@JayGreezy 2 жыл бұрын
Cheap is a relative term. Relative only to ones budget, and everyone's budget is different
@Yessssz
@Yessssz 11 ай бұрын
I have had the Schiit Gungnir for many years now with the McIntosh mc275 and c2200 and JBL 4429 speakers. Never liked the sound. Went from gold lion kt88, tungsol 6550, sovtek 6550 and settled on JJ kt88 power tubes and all other tubes gold lion. The Gungnir upgrade eventually became available so I upgraded and added the usb port. It sounded better but the highs sound artificial and irritating. The more I turned the volume up, the worse it got. I got the Denafrips Ares and it’s now an enjoyable system. Not as detailed as the Schiit but it’s enjoyable. I decided to try the Gungnir with another system with the VTA ST70 for power and the SP12 preamp and the old version Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Baby Grands. This system sounds really good in that it has a very fun and musical presentation with euphoric detail. The more I listen to it, the more I want to listen. All this with a Dragonfly red dac and the Schiit Mani for vinyl. I tried the Gungnir and it did the same thing on this system. I wonder if it does not play well with tubes?
@Vercus100
@Vercus100 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the Weyland-Yutani shirt. I didn't even know that was a thing, and now I want one.
@edzak7257
@edzak7257 2 жыл бұрын
Resurrecting this older video...... I've had my Bifrost 2 for roughly 1-1/2 years and still love it! My system is pretty much all American: Schiit, Parasound P6(though made in China), Van Alstine M225 amps, Ascend Acoustics Sierra-2EX, and dual Rythmik Audio F12's. I do have a MiniDSP 2X4 HD in the system, but that's the only non-American piece.
@ChicagoRob2
@ChicagoRob2 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a great system. Have you heard the new Sierra LX? They’re insane.
@edzak7257
@edzak7257 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChicagoRob2 No, haven't heard the LX. I don't know of anyone in my area with them. A friend out West has them, going from Sierra-2's. He is quite happy with the LX's. I don't have the budget to try them and am very happy with the EX. Have to lay low with the purchases for now after inciting a civil war with the recent purchase of the new mono amps.
@NeilBlanchard
@NeilBlanchard 3 жыл бұрын
The USB section is also replaceable / upgradable, too. A possibly important difference between the Bifrost 2 and the Ares II - is IF you use a DAC for sound editing, you will want the Bifrost 2. For whatever reason, the Ares II has a fairly significant buffer delay that would make it hard to use. But for music, this has no effect; other than you having to wait a bit longer for the music to start. Once it is playing, there is no difference.
@MiemoPenttinen
@MiemoPenttinen 3 жыл бұрын
Or movies & TV, for that matter…
@NeilBlanchard
@NeilBlanchard 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiemoPenttinen Right, if you are not needing to sync things exactly, like during editing, this doesn't matter. I only mention it, so that people will know, that if they are going to be doing editing, then the Ares II probably would not work.
@mtnmankeith9069
@mtnmankeith9069 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a delay if you use optical out?
@NeilBlanchard
@NeilBlanchard 3 жыл бұрын
@@mtnmankeith9069 I don't know for sure, but I would think this is just how it works. I heard this information from Golden Sound.
@Koopagamelouda
@Koopagamelouda 2 жыл бұрын
This ruled the Ares 2 out completely for me. Made me look to either the Bifrost 2 or Audio GD R1 instead.
@jaykabel
@jaykabel 2 жыл бұрын
For $600 you can get the awesome new Hifiman EF400 amp DAC, which has BUILT IN Himalaya balanced R2R DAC. It has XLR out, so it might be interested to compare its DAC-only performance. It has enough power to drive Susvara! Crazy deal. Sounds fantastic
@audiorick841
@audiorick841 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for comparing to the Ares!
@anthrobug
@anthrobug 3 жыл бұрын
You are god damned the best audio reviewer on youtube - Enjoy that coffee brother!
@TheHammerofDissidence
@TheHammerofDissidence Жыл бұрын
Just got a used one for a great deal.. This is the closest I've heard digital come to analog in my system. Very very fun DAC.
@thomasward00
@thomasward00 3 жыл бұрын
Randy I have 2 Modi 3+ DACs and I go with American made products whenever I can.
@joseph-ow1hf
@joseph-ow1hf Жыл бұрын
Randy, I might might be completely wrong (not the first time!) but as far as I know, balanced lines are to reject outside noise picked up by the cable which tend to act like an antenna. This is primarily AC 60 hz hum and stuff like AM radio signals. They do not act as filters to remove noise inherent in the signal, say from noisy USB circuits. Also it does little good to have a balanced DAC when most pre-amps have single ended inputs. The only tube pre I can think of that offered balanced input was Audio Research and that was outside and definition of cheap.
@joseph-ow1hf
@joseph-ow1hf Жыл бұрын
Or BAT, but those pre amps were 5 figures. But yes, Schitt makes balance preamps and one of those does have a tube stage......my mistake. Sorry.
@joseph-ow1hf
@joseph-ow1hf Жыл бұрын
Oh...of course Schitt themselves have balance pre amps, inc one w/ tubes. And then there was BAT.....but the antithesis of cheap audio.....those things were 5 figures.
@jonathanr2830
@jonathanr2830 3 жыл бұрын
Exceptionally good review of Bifrost 2. I recently gave my beloved Schiit Heresy/Modi 3+ and Sennheiser HD 600's to my audio-deprived big brother (who is blown away by that rig) and I am setting my sights on getting a replacement Magnius/Bifrost 2/HD 600 rig for myself. This review has helped me cement that plan. Thank you very much! BTW, where can I get one of those Weyland Yutani tee-shirts (hopefully, intact without any xenomorph damage)?
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
6 dollar t shirts or something along those lines
@jonathanr2830
@jonathanr2830 3 жыл бұрын
@@cheapaudioman Thanks!
@felipedantas4666
@felipedantas4666 3 жыл бұрын
Randy, great tô see you with that many gear. Great content ahead for us. Schiit is really making some buzz in the Market. In my opinion only few top reviewer not looking into them. Ares II and bifrost what a match up that might have been. Based on your review I believe I lean more into the ares II. Top end sensitive but I listem to low volumes, so extra details would not turn into ear piercing nails. Make sense?
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. That’s the right call
@alondite215
@alondite215 2 жыл бұрын
This was already a great DAC, and now there's a new upgrade they're calling "2/64" that, by all accounts I've read so far (don't have my upgrade card yet so I haven't been able to listen myself), is a pretty noticeable improvement over the original. Also comes with new firmware with a NOS mode if you're into that. Don't quote me on this, but I think you can install the new firmware and get NOS on the original Bifrost 2 without needing the upgrade.
@mlgerardi
@mlgerardi 2 жыл бұрын
yes, you can update the firmware with the original/old card, I did it, works fine, will get the new card next month
@ChicagoRob2
@ChicagoRob2 3 жыл бұрын
There is a world of difference between the Modi 3+ delta-sigma DAC, and the Modi Multibit DAC. My Modi 3+ was super bright and forward, so I returned it for the Multibit. No more delta-sigmas for me. The improvement in neutrality, soundstaging, and overall presentation was not subtle. I would assume the Bifrost 2 is even better, but if you don’t need balanced outputs, the $250 Multibit is an absolute steal.
@1mctous
@1mctous 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a Modi Multibit shortly after the late 2016 product launch and never looked back. Compared to most delta-sigma DACs you lose fine detail but also lose the rough treble and gain a sense of ease, coherency, and rhythmic drive.
@michaelkaiser5994
@michaelkaiser5994 3 жыл бұрын
Would you consider the multibit an improvement over a Dragonfly Red?
@ChicagoRob2
@ChicagoRob2 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Dragonfly Red and it’s a great DAC. I use it primarily to run my ATH M50X headphones. The Multibit is in my dedicated main system, which I use with my iPhone, Yamaha integrated, and B&W Matrix 805 miles monitors. I did use it for a short time to drive my phones and found that it delivered a very natural, smooth sound signature, with great depth and space, and lack of hardness. So, I would have to say that it’s definitely better than the DFR.
@michaelkaiser5994
@michaelkaiser5994 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChicagoRob2 I use it with my IPhone /Android in my main system. Not much into headphones. Streaming Amazon HD at present. Prefer vinyl/sacd.
@ChicagoRob2
@ChicagoRob2 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkaiser5994 I use Tidal HiFi, FLAC lossless format as my streamer. The quality is amazing, especially with the Multibit.
@Jsmtjso
@Jsmtjso 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't going to speak up, but as an LG V60 owner I thought I should. Playing music through my phone on battery power sounds fine, but once you try charging it you'll get tons of noise added to the signal, definitely would still recommend getting a separate dac.
@scottlowell493
@scottlowell493 Жыл бұрын
Two things: Without exaggeration, an alarmingly high number of topping products arrive DOA or die in short order. They have the lowest reliability in the DAC market. They have extremely poor CS. The other thing: I have a modius maximus and have been considering going to a BF2/64. I have not yet seen ANY direct comparisons, except for a quick blurb about treble. I have, based on YOUR review, ordered a BF2/64.
@BellTunnel
@BellTunnel 2 жыл бұрын
I was so close to buying the Ares II. Had great communication with Alvin. But at the end of the day, I’m not comfortable with having to perform firmware updates with a Chinese company. Simply a security issue.
@YoYo-uh3xj
@YoYo-uh3xj 2 жыл бұрын
Facts
@Shoebutie
@Shoebutie 3 жыл бұрын
Very good explanations
@joseph-ow1hf
@joseph-ow1hf Жыл бұрын
Just gone mine, only been in system for a few hours. Yeah.....impressive low end. Acoustic instruments sound more natural, esp. piano. I'm most impressed by the USB input. Have never heard music from KZbin videos sound so good. They did a superb job with their proprietary module. I can't say it trounces my old Stan Warren modded Dacmagic, which is less of a knock on Schitt, than a testament to the genius of Stan. Right now, I'm feeling like vocals sounded actually a bit smoother on the DacMagic when using SPIDIF in from the Audiolab CDT6000. I don't notice a a significant difference between Audioquest Forest optical vs coax. I'm still waiting for the R2R chips to thermally stabilize. I have a Blue Jeans optical SPIDIF I will try. But this thing rules on USB. BTW: Gen 5 I got for $312 on the 'bay. I can upgrade to latest 2/64 board, and still be all in for less than a new one. Oh.....the case work is beautiful. Solid bit of kit there.
@joseph-ow1hf
@joseph-ow1hf Жыл бұрын
I have a nagging feeling that the front end has become so revealing that maybe I'm bumping up against the limitations of using a 90's Pioneer power amp, while my Odyssey Stratos mono amps are out to factory for upgrade. I may buy the Schitt desktop power amp, as I'm running my Merlins as my desktop rig. They are fairly inefficient, but I think in this situation that amp will be an upgrade. And it's $300 for an amp using a linear PS with discreet output devices, not some Class D toy. Now kinda sold on Schitt. This build quality, for these prices and made in USA? Hell yes.
@michaelpeters1719
@michaelpeters1719 11 ай бұрын
In your 2022 recommended dac video you did not list the Bifrost 2/64. In this video you compare it to the Denafrit Ares II. However in the recommended dac video, you chose the Geshelli J2 over the Ares II. How does the Geshelli J2 compare to the Bifrost 2/64.
@jameus4
@jameus4 9 ай бұрын
Bifrost 2/64 vs Denafrips Ares 12th-1 ?
@rothgartheviking858
@rothgartheviking858 3 жыл бұрын
great review.
@sidesup8286
@sidesup8286 3 жыл бұрын
If you decide to repeatedly run the tune A Taste Of Honey by Herb Alpert through your mind while doing life's ordinary things, adopting it as the soundtrack of your life, be aware; somehow it may eventually make you feel like a Secret Agent. If you really are a Secret Agent; it's best not to tell anyone. But you might already know that.
@MrAyrit
@MrAyrit 3 жыл бұрын
Good review / comparison
@James-ye7rp
@James-ye7rp 3 жыл бұрын
Your "Sponsors" are fake? Outrageous. Love your work, brother.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to believe. But yes. They’re fake
@dennishaley4443
@dennishaley4443 2 жыл бұрын
I have the Ares2 and the Bifrost2 Both Fantastic.....R2R DACS are the only way to go if you want your Music to sound like Music....Period !
@GreybeardMO
@GreybeardMO 3 жыл бұрын
Is the 'cheapaudio' version... the Schiit Modi Multibit? Love to hear a comparison between the two.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been trying to get one for a while. They’re backed up
@alexgarcia1251
@alexgarcia1251 3 жыл бұрын
@@cheapaudioman I'll send you mine if you do a comparison and send it back. I'm considering the Bifrost 2 right now and just don't feel confident that I will notice the difference, so I'd be curious to hear your take.
@davidsmith9407
@davidsmith9407 3 жыл бұрын
Strange. I have both the Ares II and the Bifrost 2 and for me, I came to the exact opposite conclusion as Randy. For me, the Ares II is just next level when compared to the Bifrost 2. While I think the Bifrost 2 does sound better than all the other DS-based DACs in it's price-range (especially in the mids and treble), the Ares II is the most dynamic, punchy, realistic sounding DAC I've heard so far. Honestly, I can't imagine it getting much better overall than the Ares II, just more refined. The only weakness of the Ares II that I've heard is that sometimes it can sound a bit TOO dynamic and raw sounding whenever the music starts to get really dense and powerful. But they are both great sounding DACs, that's for sure. Just my $0.02.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
If I gave the impression I don’t love the Ares 2 I should have done a better job. It’s great. I did a comparison review on the DAC attack video. I love the Ares 2
@zenithcric1171
@zenithcric1171 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve not heard either but have a plethora of cheap $100-ish DACs and prefer an FX-Audio SQ5 with a Burr-Brown chip to the various AKs I have (Modi 3, Sanskrit 10 mk2, Breeze ChiFi 4493). Saving for the Bifrost 2 and figure that the five year warranty & made in USA is worth it vs an Ares with all those resistors & what warranty I don’t know. I’ve a single-ended only Saga + with RCA-to-XLR cable to my balanced-only VTV Hypex made across town Ohio amp. Cable runs are short. Q-Acoustics 3050i speakers & almost endgame for me. The Saga has two SE outputs so i could send one to a headphone amp. Can hardly wait. Thanks CAM for the timely review; just got paid & put a hundred towards more Schiit. About a month or so to go.
@Leo-yn5fx
@Leo-yn5fx 3 жыл бұрын
The only upgrade is the holo may or the denafrips terminator plus. At this point i would upgrade speakers.
@locmanw1583
@locmanw1583 3 жыл бұрын
@@Leo-yn5fx Do you think Holo Spring 3 better than Ares II and Bifrost 2?
@CJNooberson
@CJNooberson 3 жыл бұрын
Please review the Modi Multi-bit. I could actually buy that one ($250).
@VeeHausen
@VeeHausen 3 жыл бұрын
Are you able to source any Old Theta DAC's? I'm lucky to own a few and they are by far my favorite sounding DAC's! Mike from Schiit use to work for Theta as a side note.
@bwithrow011
@bwithrow011 3 жыл бұрын
The best sponsor is Charleton Heston's Compressed Air at $129.99 per can! 👌
@arena_rock_man9030
@arena_rock_man9030 3 жыл бұрын
I like Hanks Free Range Pomeranians
@bwithrow011
@bwithrow011 3 жыл бұрын
Would those happen to be Tom Hanks Range Free Pomeranians? Randy's latest sponsor is a bass port lubricant. I have to get me some of that. He has the best sponsors 😆
@ytvideos101
@ytvideos101 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, helping me get back in the audio game! Question: Looking at your setup, I understand the better DAC you have the better your chances of achieving soundstage imaging. However, I've found adding an EQ helps dial in sound as well. Do you use an EQ somewhere in your setup? If so, please share and if not...help is understand why not? Keep up the great job! 🔥🙌❤️
@breckisaac5378
@breckisaac5378 3 жыл бұрын
In Randy’s other video’s he promotes schiit loki and another EQ that I can’t remember. So yes he does like EQ.
@filovirus1
@filovirus1 3 жыл бұрын
weyland-yutani shirt - immediate upvote
@TheHope12322
@TheHope12322 3 жыл бұрын
You should make a video about all American audio manufacturers made in the United States.
@1munafo3
@1munafo3 3 жыл бұрын
I'm liking this Schiit. I just need a DAC to take the optical audio from my TV and send it to my analog Marantz integrated. Is it worth shelling out the money for the Bifrost or is it overkill???
@meltonboroughcouncilaresht4292
@meltonboroughcouncilaresht4292 3 жыл бұрын
Absolute push to shove...Bifrost or Denafrips Area II?
@MrOzkarlopez
@MrOzkarlopez 3 жыл бұрын
very cool shirt !!!👍
@Mad.Maxx.77
@Mad.Maxx.77 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, mate! I had the Gungnir Multibit, but sold it after about 6 months. The audio always sounded kinda "muffled" to me. I tried a few other DACs and finally went with the Topping D90. I'm curious about the Border Patrol DAC and might give it a shot.
@oldgary57
@oldgary57 3 жыл бұрын
I have a cheap stereo. A FX Audio Tube-03 MK II with GE 5654W. tubes, and Aiyma A07 Amp pushing a pair of Sony SS-CS5 speakers. Love the sound. The thing is, I would like to hook up to the optic out on a TV. I don't want to change the sound. I just want a good CLEAN signal and as you see I am trying for the best I can get for the least out of pocket. I'm not new to this game, I once had a Pioneer Spec 1 & Spec 4 driving HPM 150s ( in my case 1500s). What do I need, cheap!
@Foxrock321
@Foxrock321 2 жыл бұрын
More and more I’m becoming a Schiit fanboy..I too like the USA made vibe..and you can alway add the Schiit Loki or Lokius EQ, and pump the highs a little….I personally own the Modi + and the Magni headphone amp to connect with ,y iMac..so nice!
@SignorFreeze
@SignorFreeze 9 ай бұрын
I would like to dive into the world of tubes and get a valhalla. I see schiit recommending the multibit, would it be worth it over a regular modi?
@mikaelsjogren6315
@mikaelsjogren6315 3 жыл бұрын
Hi and thanks for the review! I have a warm sounding poweramp (Vincent) and a pair of Dynaudio emit 50! This is nice but I need a DAC with volume control that is better than a the NEO iDSD wich I using now, what would you recomend? Best regards Mikael
@rajendrabiswas
@rajendrabiswas 3 жыл бұрын
Randy how would the jotunheim ess or multibit do ?
@bomt697
@bomt697 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, thanks for this review. I was lucky enough to be able to pick up a pair of Sonus Farber Lumina V tower speakers. In your opinion, do you think the Bifrost 2 would pair well (would be in a chain of Bluesound node2, Freya S, Buckeye Hyper X NC502 500wpc amp)?
@jaykabel
@jaykabel 2 жыл бұрын
You should try the Musician Pegasus R2R DAC - supposedly very similar to the Ares II.
@Keithwithfever
@Keithwithfever 3 жыл бұрын
Randy, will you review the Vidar? I would love to know your take on it.
@grillmeisterflash
@grillmeisterflash 3 жыл бұрын
Im missing a Schiit Modi Multibit review from you, would be great.
@grillmeisterflash
@grillmeisterflash 3 жыл бұрын
or even better compare the new E50, Zen Dac Signature V2, Schiit Multibit - all are arround 250$ would be a very interesting review
@FriendToToads
@FriendToToads 3 жыл бұрын
“It also comes with a remote control”, said in your best Carnac the Magnificent voice… “Exactly what time did I lose control of this show?”…
@shreddherring
@shreddherring 3 жыл бұрын
This has been particularly intetesting as I have been considering the ares ii and bifrost 2, and have the wharfedale evo 4.1's. I'm thinking maybe I will wait to see if schiit manage to recover from the covid hassles (the uk distributors still have no stock) and see if they bring out a bifrost 3 at some point later on
@honestlyforreal6304
@honestlyforreal6304 3 жыл бұрын
This is all so confusing. I'm at the point where I watch reviews 10x more than I listen to music. I just want to get a setup that sounds good and looks awesome. I have the rp600m, and want a matching set of whatever to power them up. Waiting on the new intagrated Emotiva, but if they make me wait much longer, I'll be going a different direction. I wish there was a store I could go to and really browse like the "old days". It was a lot easier to impulse buy when things were in hand.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
True statement.
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
If you can find one the Denon pma600ne would be a nice combo with the Klipsch
@amb3cog
@amb3cog 3 жыл бұрын
Yea I wouldn't go Emotiva with those speakers myself either. Plus it's crazy to wait for the latest thing, when the technology isn't anything new anyway. I would be much more concerned with getting the options you want, and getting a sound signature that matches your speakers (warm to neutral, warm is best though IMO, unless you really want forward, bright, lively, and detailed). Unless you're source is absolutely dark sounding, and your room is very well treated. Bright speakers with a bright amp is usually a really bad idea. And unfortunately Emotiva is usually on the bright side, as are your speakers. I think Denon would be a great choice myself. But if you really like a lively type of sound. And want a neutral amp. Go with the IOTAVX Sa3. Or a Rega IO would probably make you very happy too, but cost more. As well as a Yamaha A-S701, or A-S801, if you're willing to stretch your budget even further. But want to stick with the warm anp/lively speaker type of combo (and I recommend you do in most cases). Personally, if it were me. I would go with the Denon, or the Yamaha depending on my budget. For a few reasons. But the main ones being that they're both coming from very well known, and very good companies. Plus they can both be ordered at places that will allow you to return them for free, if you're not happy. Plus they both have lots of options built in. I think Amazon has both for instance, and I'm pretty sure Crutchfield does too. And will do the same return deal. But read the fine print first of course. And honestly, I wouldn't worry about having enough power with either of them. Especially the Yamaha, but that little Denon will surprise you. There's a reason it's Steve Guttenberg's reference for a low budget integrated amp. And if you don't like it. Box it back up, and send it back (tell Amazon you weren't happy with how it sounded/worked, and they should send you a free return shipping label). No big deal. I bet you keep it though. 😉 ✌️ BTW just to let you know. With the Yamaha you're going to get a little better sound obviously, a much better build quality. A better resale value, and likely a quicker sell, if you ever decide to upgrade later. And of course more power. Plus the ability to add an aftermarket power cord. But it's also bigger, and heavier. On top of being a lot more money. But if you have the money, and the room. It is the better choice IMHO. Either way, good luck.
@mm-tg8oo
@mm-tg8oo 3 жыл бұрын
I had the Klipsch RP 600M set in my bedroom, run off a SMSL M400 and the cheaper Yamaha Aventage receiver set on Pure Direct. That was the cleanest and most impressive music that i have ever heard in my life. When my Iota VX stack came in, I moved the speakers and deck to the living room to hook to the stack. It sounds...ok.
@davestevens4193
@davestevens4193 3 жыл бұрын
@@mm-tg8oo It's about the sound, not how the gear looks.
@rayfriedman6107
@rayfriedman6107 6 ай бұрын
Curious: I have the standard Jotunheim V1. Wondering if I should buy the newer Jotunheim V2, OR just pair what I have with the latest Bifrost? Emphasis will be on headphone listening. What say you?
@midnightsocean2689
@midnightsocean2689 2 жыл бұрын
Bifrost all the way. It's just plain smart design. Once I found Schiit DACs, I never went back.
@MAELOB
@MAELOB 3 жыл бұрын
And unlike Denafrips it plays nice with MACs
@valkyrieorion7200
@valkyrieorion7200 3 жыл бұрын
Torn between buying the Bifrost 2 or the iFi Neo to use with Adam A5x and HD 660s. Would still need a pre amp/hp amp with the bifrost 2 but get a 5 year warranty and support North American manufacturing with Schiit.
@DjRjSolarStar
@DjRjSolarStar 3 жыл бұрын
You should test my FiiO X7 mk2, best DAC I've ever heard from a portable device. Only reason I haven't gone multibit yet, the ESS9028 in the X7 is so damn good I really don't feel like there's much room for improvement.
@jsloan5216
@jsloan5216 Жыл бұрын
I'd buy that schiit
@janwillemkuilenburg7561
@janwillemkuilenburg7561 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, however I am a bit surprised there was not comparison to the Modi 3. Any idea?
@cheapaudioman
@cheapaudioman 3 жыл бұрын
I have the modi 3 but I thought it was more appropriate to compare this to other balanced dacs in the same price range
@charlesclifton1006
@charlesclifton1006 3 жыл бұрын
I've been on the fence between the Bifrost and Aries. After this review, which is in keeping with many others, (I love continuity**) - it seems, for now, the Bifrost is the way to go. I live in BC, Canada so if, big "if" - something goes wrong with the unit then Schiit is just down the road and I can send it across the border without proof of vaccination. I bought the latest Modi (with an Eitr) and then recently, a Modius. They're just fine - no complaints but a Bifrost will be added and yes, I do have three separate applications for each. ** Schiit has some new Continuity circuit magic they've introduced and I'd love to hear your take on this "Schiit-newity thingy" I'm going to get a coffee and research those salsa-screws. Thanks Randy.
@marzcapone9939
@marzcapone9939 3 жыл бұрын
Do I need a higher quality USB cable to connect Windows 10 to Bifrost2? And, I guess I'll be using the volume on my powered monitors? I suspect the computer's volume adjustment is only for the RealTek output?
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