Do You Really Need a Shoulder Plane?

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Let Rob show you how to sharpen a Shoulder Plane blade here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHvPdYacbZh2i5I

[@rcfreeman11]

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[@tintansigloXXI]

I'm pretty sure I need it, but I'm completely sure I want it

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

I know exactly how you feel

[@jeffgriffithsmusic]

I make a lot of mouldings for hardwood frames for my wife’s artwork and find my medium shoulder plane invaluable for cleaning up and fixing any issues on the narrow rabbets. Saves many hours with chisels and less awkward than the skew block.

[@acalciu]

You really need to learn how to do close-ups. You could see nothing of the blade setup from 600ft away. Is this a fresh cameraman you are breaking in? There was a lot of camera wobble.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Nope this is Jake who has been on the camera for years and years

[@southernblueblood5402]

I watched this video to find out if a shoulder plane could be used to cut rabbets, you answered that and so much more. Your videos are absolutely jam packed with information, Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us, if I have any questions on hand tools like this there only two people I trust to give the information I need, you and Paul Sellers. Your videos are longer than others but the information is very detailed and useful.

[@csimet]

I'm not, nor ever will be a furniture grade woodworker, but I love just watching these videos by Rob. He is an excellent teacher of his trade. I can only imaging the value of his hand tools behind him in the rack. I admire any quality tool, hand tool or otherwise... you get what you pay for.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

I totally agree with you

[@1deerndingo]

Everybody can be a furniture quality hobbyist. You just have to throw out the failures until you are just left with the good bits. And you need plenty of timber, good tools and patience. And do what Rob says.

[@ef2b]

Usually, I only need the shoulder plane on shoulders when I've messed up paring with the chisel and need help getting back to straight. I use the rabbet block plane (not skew) quite a bit and for all the reasons you showed. I'll level and true a tenon with the router plane at which point I'm usually just a couple shavings away from fitting. I'll use the rabbet block plane to take those off rather than resetting the router plane each time. My mortises are hand cut, so they aren't absolutely perfect. The rabbet block plane lets me take an extra whiff off of the side of that needs to be hair thinner than the other end. Ideally, my mortises would be more perfect, but in the mean time, this works. I absolutely could do all of this with just the router plane, but I'm glad I have the rabbet block plane. If I could only have one of the two, it would be the router plane, no question. I don't know if it is just me, but there is something about rabbet planes and their kith and kin that I _always_ manage to nick my finger on the protruding corner.

[@andrewbrown8148]

Great demonstration~! I purchased my WR 3/4" shoulder plane a few years ago. It's an invaluable tool~! Also love the versatility of my router planes. Three members of my hand-tool dream team~! :-) Thanks, Rob~!

[@barrydoxseyuk]

Another great video packed with little comments. I have most tools, but seeing anothers view on a tools use is fantastic. Example, Setting the blade flush to the side of the body, thus no cutting into the check of the tennon, a point easy to forget or miss. Thank you yet again.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@jwm6314]

I absolutely love mine for fitting tenons, especially long tenons. I have 0 regrets about buying it.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Its a good plane when used correctly

[@SimopsAus]

I actually hardly use mine…….tend to use my skew block and router planes mostly…….love the router plane…..have a few

[@davidpisarski5620]

The skew block plane is a must have on my list. It's been out of stock since you first started showing how versatile it is. Hopefully Lie Nielson will be able to resume production soon.

[@barrydoxseyuk]

My supplier of Lie Nielson here in the UK, is just starting to receive some products. The skew block plane is fantastic, yes you will love it. They are hand friendly, and will become a go to tool.

[@williamn01]

@@barrydoxseyuk where is getting stuff back in ? Do they still make the bronze version of the skew block ?

[@barrydoxseyuk]

Classic Hand Tools, but not the scew block plane. Suggest you contact Lie Nielsen direct for advice. Hopefully they will be put back in production as PHP will need some.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

LN tells us they are slowly coming back to full production

[@natalirivero467]

If I don't have a block plane yet, should I get the standard one or one of these rabbet block planes?

[@brucejohnson1264]

I have a small shoulder plane, and I love it for cleaning up small tenons, but for larger tenons and tenon faces the rabbit block plane is what I usually grab.

[@JM-sz4oi]

Well structured, excellent presentation. Convinced me that I should have all of them. 😀

[@thelwood]

I love watching your work! I am not great at setting up the few planes I have. I aspire to be 10% as good as you someday! 👏👏👏 Great teaching style too

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

You can do it! Keep at it

[@thelwood]

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thanks Rob, I am in my shop working on some mortise and tenons right now. Hoping to not mess up this expensive walnut! I really appreciate your expertise! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with the rest of us 😃

[@jaayjones5937]

Admire your life and your skill. In a humorous vein this video shows how one tool, the shoulder plane, replaces multiple tools.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

I was trying to show different ways of doing the same operations to give folks more knowledge

[@surfinchemist1]

I've been using the Lie Nielsen rabbeting block plane for 4 years and rarely reach for my shoulder plane anymore. If you are just starting a hand tool collection, my recommendation is to start with it. Hands down my favorite tool, power or hand. Its so often used that it lives in a belt holster inside and outside the shop. It does everything a small block plane AND a shoulder plane will do. I even use it in trim carpentry since you can run it along the drywall.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for sharing! Its a great little plane

[@hardnox6655]

Rob, beautifully explained and demonstrated.

[@J.A.Smith2397]

Last plane I got, only yet to grab a scraper plane

[@petrpribyl1694]

And I've spent quite a while thinking why doesnt my hand plane work, even after proper sharpening. Just now I learned it is a bevel up kind of plane, not bevel down. 😂

[@kg3225]

I bought a LN shoulder plane as one of my very first hand tools. With some chisels and a few other things. And I barely ever use it. LN rabbet plane gets used 99% of the time instead. Same goes for bullnose planes. I restored a Stanley no. 90 and I think I’ve used it once. But idk maybe I’m not being creative enough.

[@geeborg6912]

Hej Rob, I have watched most of yoyr videos but I have to say that this particular video was one of the most interesting, informative and useful videos you have produced so far. Med Vänliga Hälsningar.

[@brianhawes3115]

What, no chisel plane?😂

[@devo196047]

But you have so many tools. Seems like the shoulder plane can do all 3 jobs fairly well.

[@escapefelicity2913]

I think it was James Krenov Worker in Wood who told us we could "cut a joint together"

[@r.parker1933]

Very helpful. Makes me less certain that I really need one. I love a good router plane. But I still kinda want one.

[@grantwilliams630]

Hey Rob, would you recommend I start with a rabbeting block plane as a double-duty plane for both a block plane and a shoulder plane? Eventually, I'd love to get more of the joinery planes, but trying to find my "core tools" right now.

[@jeffbourne6015]

A really useful demonstration and explanation on the uses and merits of shoulder planes. The alternative types of planes and strategies for truing up tenon shoulders and cheeks including the use of an extremely sharp chisel was most useful too together with comments on other uses for these different planes. Most grateful for ongoing highly informative videos on ALL THINGS WOOD - we fully appreciate the time and work by all concerned in their production!!

[@DeeegerD]

No, I have a router.

[@DON112751]

Would you agree that a difference in whether you choose to use a shoulder plane or a router plane is the surface you want to reference: the shoulder plane references the vertical edge, while the router plane references the face?

[@GearheadDaily]

Short answer: Yes. I use mine more than I thought I would.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for sharing

[@felipehuibonhoa7338]

Congrats on hitting 200k. Now for the 1M mark. 😁

[@TheTranq]

The thing I hate about shoulder and rabbet planes is that every time you mess with lateral adjustment you also shift the projection from the plane side and vise versa. I especially find the rabbet plane+knicker difficult to get set correctly

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Yes its a bit like patting your head while rubbing your belly

[@37south47]

I need that marking gauge and a rabbiting block plane asap!

[@robertbamford8266]

Excellent, balanced discussion. Those shoulder planes are beautiful, but …. . Thanks for the video.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@wickedwoodgaming1486]

I just finally pulled the trigger on a woodriver medium shoulder plane. Couldn't be happier. My projects have all been slightly better sense I bought it

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Sounds great. Thanks for sharing

[@mgoohgoo7664]

The amerikan shoulder plans for me are looking like a staple gunn. I'm yoused to a klasik german wood shoulder plane. But works the same.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Never thought about that but it does kind of look like a staple gun...works good though

[@k9six185]

I like your K9 patch…

[@mikdin1]

Are yours Clifton?

[@timothywozniak6952]

Wood River

[@timchapman5553]

Nobody needs shoulder pain

[@davidcampbell2845]

Superb demonstrating and knowledge exchange again.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for the shout out

[@SwearingenTurnings]

After my block, my shoulder plane is my most used plane.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Its a great plane

[@kiwdwks]

Awesome video/information! Thanks Rob.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@mikeherbst1825]

Shoulder plane? Is that like a hang glider?!😄

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

more like a head helicopter!!!!

[@FearsomeWarrior]

Do you like tools? If yes, buy all the shoulder planes.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Yes I do like tools...yes I have them all

[@jeffdutton1910]

I don't use mine every day but it sure has come in handy sometimes.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

I agree

[@pauljackson5525]

Could you feature some of your wooden planes in a video sometime?

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

The only wooden plane I use is my Drawer Bottom plane

[@bearthompson6506]

Where does a fillister plane fit in amongst this assortment?

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

A filister is another word for rabbet plane. Originally designed for door makers.

[@mgoohgoo7664]

Aktualy I have a question. Why the metal shoulder planes are beveld up? Because my German wooden singer iron shoulder plane is beveled down.

[@chrisc4527]

Bevel up usually allows for a lower angle than bevel down. Lower angles tend to cut end grain better.

[@mgoohgoo7664]

@@chrisc4527 is a interesting point. You kn.know which angle a mate touching lane have? A german 45°

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Actually the angle difference between Low angle and standard angle is very littel. In my oppinon not enough to matter between the two if your blade is sharp. Easier to manufacture a bevel up, no frog needed

[@mgoohgoo7664]

@@RobCosmanWoodworking ja if it cuts well and its sharp enithing els is not important.

[@jimcooney9019]

very cool thanks for sharing your video

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

You bet

[@julienpaquette9433]

Thank you Rob you are very inspiring

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for watching

[@MANJITSINGH-ko2oi]

THANK U rob very good advice.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

you bet

[@dpmeyer4867]

thanks

[@Franco.Ar.]

I have shoulders, I need that plane.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

There you go, makes sense to me

[@vigrue-kingofscrew4804]

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[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

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[@deezynar]

You nailed that, I think.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for watching and Commenting

[@darrenb4324]

Would you use a shoulder plane to clean up the bottom of a dado?

[@Exo594-b5v]

If it fits, sure thing! A router-plane is also an option.

[@robertbamford8266]

@@Exo594-b5v Router plane is probably a better option to ensure the bottom of the dado is clean and depth is uniform.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

I would not, I prefer a router plane. When cleaning up the bottom of a dado I want to ensure the Dado is of uniform depth along its length. The way to do that is with a router plane

[@danhusker1413]

Thanks for a good and instructive video. I am just finishing an end table where the sides used mortise and tenon joints. I kept saying, I've go to do this better. Your discussion of shoulder plane sizes helped narrow down which one I'll buy first. Maybe others later. I very much appreciate your input. Thanks again.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Thanks for watching and commenting

[@TigerCarpenter]

The title of this video could be "Does Shoulder plane cause shoulder pain?" [just kidding] I can see that Lie Nielsen block plane looks almost identical to the Luban, I would bet they come from the same factory, and just the lever cap carries different branding. And the Lie Nielsen has additional scoring wheels on the sides. My theory is, the factory quality checkpoint selects the best ones, and brands them as Lie Nielsen, and adds the scoring wheels, and sells the slightly lower quality as different brand (Luban, Qiansheng, Juuma, Irwin Record, Stanley and others). Interestingly Huawei has won the court case and registered the Luban trademark in May 2021, which might end Luban brand name for the Qiansheng factory. PS Luban is a name of an ancient famous Chinese carpenter.

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

Your theory could be correct, with the exception of Lie-Nielsen. I know from personal experience that they are made in the USA.

[@TigerCarpenter]

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Lie Nielsen might be assembled in USA after some parts touch up. I own Lie Nielsen rabbet block plane and just 2 months back bought the "same" but Luban. To be honest Luban quality and looks win in this particular case and I have not a shadow of a doubt they must have come from the same factory. I am a patriotic conservative white Polish man and I wish Lie Nielsen was made in the USA and VolksWagen Golf was made in Germany. With the great sadness I'm observing that everything is made in China. They are getting very good indeed. But that's the end of the world as we know it. Our dependence on China is simply terrifying. Anyway I could rant without end. I really enjoy watching your content!

[@RobCosmanWoodworking]

I can confirm that LN planes are forged right here in the USA and meet the criteria to be called "made in America" which by law means no foreign components. All of there stuff is locally made in the Northeast stat. of the U.S. Go visit their factory and watch things being built (Once COVID is cleared)

[@TigerCarpenter]

@@RobCosmanWoodworking thanks for confirming that. I take your word for it, and I believe you. I will drop by their factory just for fun and out of interest, when I visit my US Army good friend. that would also confirm that the Chinese copying skills got so much better, which could be a good thing in short term, when you are happy about buying a product that is almost as good or in some aspects even better than the "original", but in a long run, we are all doomed.