Variations on Top wrap of a Tiger Wrap

[@LagunaMadreMadman]

Thank you for taking the time to try these different techniques.

[@blindabinda1234]

Any background noise there might have been is drowned out by how interested I am in the contents of whatever you're sharing in the video. The rod building community is blessed to have such a legend as yourself providing us with this material

[@docski377]

Thank you so much. I really now only care about helping others grow with less back steps. I hope to do much more this year.

[@kirkhalladay594]

Great video. I love watching and learning. Thank you so much.

[@haroldmoore3544]

More amazing work..!! Thank you so much for sharing your skill. I'm blessed to have run across your videos on KZbin.

[@gregthompson995]

thanks for the great tips and tricks. I have been building about 15 years now, not for productions but for friends and i love doing different things like this. I'll take all the help I can get.

[@kevinwright8353]

It's been up a while, but this video is such quality in terms of getting the mental juices flowing as I play around with these. A wonderful trove of knowledge on your page.

[@larrycowden2271]

No apology needed Doc! Your videos and dedication to helping us newcomers is superb! I would love to have every video you produced on a DVD collection for reference and education! I have subscribed to your channel.

[@docski377]

If I could figure out how to do that I would be glad to share them with you. I am a bit of a dinlosaur.

[@bradymcphail9690]

Thank you for sharing your hobby. I haven't fished or hunted since I was a kid, and just was injured with a career ending injury at work. With what's going on with the World, solo hobbies are my new passion. I have been a Welder/Fabricator all of my career, I believe that going back to the old craftsmanship way of life is a great way of life. Enough of my rant. Thank you very much for sharing, I am enjoying immensely your videos and learning greatly.

[@docski377]

Thank you for the comments. Sometimes the simple way of life is the best. Let me know if I can help in the future.

[@spencerbass7142]

I am just starting to build rods again after quitting for close to 10 years. It has changed a lot, your videos look great I will subscribe, thanks.

[@docski377]

I hope they help and you can alway contact me here or FB pages.

[@spencerbass7142]

docski377 I avoid Facebook, but thanks.

[@docski377]

@@spencerbass7142 you can always email me at [e-mail]

[@spencerbass7142]

docski377 Thank you, that is very nice. I am in the process of building my table, should be done this week. I just retired, I do a lot of wood working and fishing and am excited about getting back into rod making. I still have a lot of stuff.

[@jimwhite1557]

Really neat stuff you’re doing. Look forward to seeing more and learning more.

[@bobbyjoe6250]

I really enjoy your videos Doc. Thanks for sharing. Also the background noises adds a real personal touch. Thanks Doc

[@docski377]

Thanks for the kind comments and support.

[@brazillianbully1095]

Good practice. It shows your dedication for excellency and attention to detail.

[@TheD510addict]

Doc, Thank you for your time. You are one of the few who have crossed over to showing this art online. I've learned and am still learning alot from your videos.

[@docski377]

Thank you so very much for the positive comment. I am here when you need me.

[@sallybrown9194]

Love your video! Don't even notice background noises, focused on what you are doing. Thank you for teaching!

[@docski377]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@JohnPaul-ru2wb]

Great video!! The wrap came out great thank you for showing us your craft.

[@docski377]

You are welcome.. More to come this year.

[@richiecast9625]

You're a true artist and it's amazing to watch you and to learn your master skills for rod wrap extreme Excellence👍🏻💯

[@nancypagan4790]

Your a great artisan and really good teacher.

[@docski377]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@shawnweisenbeck802]

Just wanted to say hello from WI. Thank you for posting this and all of your other expert videos. I've learned a ton from you over the years. Keep on being a rod wrapping Ninja sir.

[@docski377]

Thank you Shawn. I actually consider myself more a Jedi with a lot of Padawans.

[@jonathancruz5729]

There's no need of improvements. Thank you for sharing. I'm a newbie to rod building and this video pushes me to it...

[@docski377]

I am here to help when you need me.

[@land2seaadventure562]

Your work is absolutely amazing mate. I have learnt so much through your videos and instructions. So thankyou. You have me trying to experiment with new things with my building :)

[@docski377]

Awesome, we need more people experimenting.

[@garykubit579]

Thanks for showing us this, I've tried a couple of tigers that turned out very good but your idea's and skill significantly help, keep knocking it out of the park.

[@docski377]

Thank you bunches. I really enjoy helping other become proficient at the craft.

[@wongsukri]

To me you already show briliant idea on new patern of wrapping fishing rod...thanks for sharing your awesome technique

[@Gasaraki]

The wrap with the mono looked really nice it's a different take on the tiger wrap I like it

[@docski377]

Thank you

[@qdenistanner8811]

I could watch you all day beautiful work and your inspiring me to get back into it.Gday from Aus.

[@docski377]

Gday, I spent 3 wonderful years at HEH, Exmouth Aust. in the Late 60s early 70s, miss it big time.

[@dennismills685]

Very nice video Sir! I really liked the method you use to get your threads lined up properly, great tip!

[@docski377]

Thank you.

[@russphilstrom5457]

First time I have seen this one and like every time I watch you work I have learned some ways to make my attempts work better. I will keep watching & trying to learn. Thanks from Northern Minnesota.

[@docski377]

Thanks Russ, this is a fun technique with TONS of possibilities.

[@thankfullife7968]

Thank you sir for sharing this. You’re a great teacher and a true pleasure to watch and learn from Mind blowing effect !!!!!

[@docski377]

Glad you like videos, hope they help

[@pastorreadmoreno574]

Thank you for the video, I have learned a lot from your videos. I have recently started to build rods as a hobby since I am disabled vet. Again thank you for taking the time to make the videos.

[@docski377]

A craft tailor made for disabled Vets. In fact that is what the entire Healing Waters Project is built upon. I work with them 3 months every year. Let me know if I can be of any help.

[@MrRODMAKER]

Pastor, thank you for your service. What state are you in? I live in South Carolina. Love to here from you

[@ZachMaurer-eq2qy]

You're the best! Nicely done

[@steelhawkeproducts9829]

Well, I'm 72 years old now and just discovered rod building, what an awesome profession, I just wish I had discovered this years ago, all this time wasted, I'm watching your videos over and over trying to learn as much as possible. Thank you so much.....by the way ...I hate Facebook

[@docski377]

Well Age is something we have in common. I turned 72 in Jan and to tell you the truth I dont feel a day over 110. Getting old sucks. Glad you are getting inspiration and help from the videos. I have accomplished about as much as I can in rod building so now it is just pay forward time. Didnt used to be like that when I started. FB can be a PIA but sort of a necessary evil for me because I can reach so many more people. If you are ever in California stop by for some rod building brain storming. Door is always open here.

[@paulbeaulieu723]

Good morning Doc.PAUL Back at you from last wk.I finally got some patterns working, your suggesting ideas worked trying different thread sizes and types.Thanks for those ideas.I Had trouble wrapping 3 threads at a time though,kept twisting.Thanks again Paul

[@docski377]

You might need to modify your tensioner to help keeping threads in place. Glad things are improving..

[@sharonwalgamotte9831]

This has got to be one of my favorites of your color combos

[@docski377]

Thank you.

[@lelandshanks3590]

I've done some but never with 3 sacrifice threads, but turned out great.

[@melissabreedlove8211]

I think u do a great job of explaining & I appreciate it!!

[@JamesLee-tt9oe]

Nice work brother

[@nekf]

Nice! Thanks for sharing.

[@ColeBergstrom]

Awesome video! I always learn something new while watching you do your work!

[@docski377]

Thank you, I always love it when I hear stuff like this

[@matthewdriggers2928]

Very helpful. Thanks for sharing Doc!

[@davidandloricasey7828]

Well done Sir. I always learn some creative trick or tip from your video's. I like the general "there is no wrong way" attitude. It has helped me to move outside the box and experiment with "what if"...thanks Doc!!

[@docski377]

Always love to hear comments like this. Glad I am having a small part in your growth.

[@stevesteves1384]

The effect using clear mono is impressive. I'm wondering if it will turn opaque with aging from sun exposure, or does the epoxy finish protect it from fading?

[@tobinlakeguideservices]

Love your work and your videos. Hello from Saskatchewan Canada

[@docski377]

Is it getting cold up there yet? Thank you.

[@tobinlakeguideservices]

docski377 yes it’s been unusually cold. We got about a inch and a half of snow about two weeks ago. It was nice today but windy. Hoping to get on the water in the next few days. I’ve been watching to a while but just figured out how to reply. ? Haha. I am a subscriber. Keep up the good work

[@docski377]

Figured it might be coldish up there. Much of the upper US is starting to show signs this is going to be a long cold winter.

[@TheRiverpro]

Great video Doc! Thank you for sharing your depth of knowledge in rod building.

[@docski377]

You are welcome Andy. Always just trying to share.

[@allen6903]

Amazing where do you purchase threads I would like to try this.

[@docski377]

Many I have had for years but now a days I use Mostly Fuji and Bullard.

[@johnbennett3154]

Great job. Really enjoyed the tip using monochrome fishing line.

[@dorflonnigan4413]

Thank you Doc, I always learn something from your videos, Thanks for sharing

[@docski377]

You are surely welcome.

[@thankfullife7968]

docski377 absolutely watch your videos Sir like a 10yr old kid intently sitting beside you at the bench. Email Sent Doc regarding PDF for your thread tensioner. I was thinking rather that using the clips with rubber glued inside ( obviously your system works and certainly not intended to be disrespectful Doc) why couldn’t the non ferrous shaft have some threads run down it just far enough to put a Nylock nut on it to tension against the magnets.hey just a humble thought

[@mindyburton6467]

Awesome video, amazing technique,

[@docski377]

Thank you so much for the positive comments.

[@cagonzal13]

Best tiger wrap ive seen so far

[@docski377]

thank you

[@johnnycortez46]

Love the tiger stripes. Awesome job. Saw another rod you did for service dogs. Came out beautiful. If I sent you a blank with guides and all trimmings to go with it could you build me a rod? Really liking the tiger stripe models

[@docski377]

Sorry Johnny I am retired from commercial building. Now it is pretty much for charities for veterans..

[@paulbutler101]

Great video, sir. I’m going to build my first rod soon and hope to incorporate some of the techniques I’ve seen you do. Tiger wrap is a must!

[@docski377]

Good Luck, be sure and post so we can see how things come out.

[@warrenedmunds6316]

It was very informative I have just started to do tigers and this is wild , don’t worry about the background noise or the human noise the people watching are just learning to do what you do!

[@docski377]

Thank you maybe some day I will have a studio to do this.

[@BeetleBuns]

wow, that's incredible!

[@davidworwood5516]

Thanks for sharing the knowledge!

[@docski377]

You are welcome David

[@mindyburton6467]

We like how you narrate the videos!

[@audnel1]

Thanks for the video. Always learning something new.

[@docski377]

Just trying to help others explore new things.

[@williamahlson3794]

I recently tried my first tiger wrap and it turned out pretty cool before I put finish on it. I liked how it looked with the mono wrapped opposite of the base thread when I put the finish over the mono it went under the line and distorted the patern and you could really see the line and not through it. Any thoughts?

[@docski377]

Two things if you are doing a mono tiger. 1. you must put a thread in the grooves of the mono and 2 you might put a coat or two of CP so the finish cannot get under the mono or3 dont put finish over the mono. It will last a good bit of time and then all you need to do is strip the mono and do it with new mono.

[@williamahlson3794]

@@docski377 thanks for getting back to me I'm going to try that. I didnt think to color preserve over the threads I think that would have been the ticket. Much respect keep doing what you do man

[@darronmecak5720]

i see you have some older wooden gudebrod thread spools,i have too,very nice effective pattern.

[@docski377]

Been stockpiling for years. Probably could become rich if I sold it all.

[@darronmecak5720]

@@docski377 the spools i have are from the 1980's ,and still are 100 PERCENT

[@christophermckinney984]

Thank you so much for this video! It is probably the most informative on Tiger Wraps that I have seen as of yet, and you are the only one I’ve seen do the loop on the top wrap so that you could easily get at the thread to cut them and get them started. I will still probably go back and rewatch everything before attempting myself, just so I am better prepared and can more easily anticipate issues. What sizes of thread do you use for doing tiger wraps, and/or what size do you prefer? Would you stay away from mixing sizes? One question on the mono (well, actually probably a couple...). What size mono are you using to create your lens, or do you look at it with several sizes of mono (and if so, which is your “go-to?”)? Also, if you are using the mono to check out what the colors below will look like, could you wrap the mono over the bottom wrap before it has epoxy applied, or does it need the epoxy to help create the lens that the mono amplifies? (Sorry if you explained this and I missed it, I am going to rewatch it, as I watched overnight while my wife was at work and kept falling asleep). And lastly (for now), if you wanted to keep the mono because you liked the look of it, what a would you need to do to prepare it for epoxy? (I think I read somewhere in the comments about putting a black thread in the cracks to help seal it and then adding CP??) Also, if wanting to keep the mono, what is the best way to tie it down and anchor it, as what you used looked pretty large? Thank you again, I have a feeling I’m going to be bending your ear a lot, as after tiger wraps and getting more proficient in guide wraps, I want to attempt to get into attempting weaves and I’ve heard that you are one of the best. Christopher McKinney

[@christophermckinney984]

(If it’s easier to respond on FB messenger due to how many questions I asked, just let me know and I’ll send you a message there, or I can send my email address or phone number if you’d rather talk one of those ways...thanks Doc)

[@docski377]

@@christophermckinney984 I have tried to answer you twice and my big fat fingers keep losing my response after I write a book. I agree it is easier to talk on the phone or FB video chat. If we are friends on FB try a video chat or call me at 805 390 8724. Lots to answer.

[@mattgetchell8829]

Great video. Question when finishing with mono do you just epoxy over it and how dose it hold up? Thinking this would be better for a beach rod because it can get bulky. Thanks from a newbie

[@docski377]

First this technique is much better on Ocean gear where weight is of no matter. Do Not put finish over the mono unless you put small thread in the grooves.. Without a thread it will turn absolutely clear and you will loose the effect. The mono holds up pretty good but it is a simple task to remove it and redo when it gets trashy.

[@stevemurphy4217]

Im wondering how you would finish off the ends if you kept the mono. Would wrapping thread over the mono to finish it off work?

[@docski377]

yes, I flatten the ends of the mono with smooth jaw pliers and then wrap off then ends.

[@donaldseitz877]

i like your stuff could you show what it would look like if you used silver , gold and copper with black overlay all metallics thank you PS. i like the background sounds

[@samoosa1000]

Magic... ? What the hell just happened? Amazing

[@andrewgeib3743]

Man you do amazing work was just wondering if you could do a video of how you start and finish the mono on a rod your gonna keep. Thanks keep up the videos big help to us beginners

[@docski377]

I am planning something for the new year. Stay tuned.

[@turntbyhi-lo3516]

Your work is amazing Doc. Where are you getting your twist thread? I've not been able to find the combinations you're using.

[@docski377]

Most of it was made by Holland Thread company. I see some show up from time to time on line but I used to by mine in Bulk on four ounce spools. I used to use it a lot n weaving for fins.

[@Puuchu]

Doc, you're the best!

[@docski377]

Thanks but maybe just been around longer than most LOL

[@Jason_Wheeler]

so awesome. thanks Doc. Grateful.

[@frankfrok1265]

Hi Doc, when you use twisted threads do you use cut lengths prepared beforehand or are they unwrapped from the spool!? Thanks, Frank

[@docski377]

I have a variety of methods I use but mostly right off the spool and they come twisted but when I am doing JTOBs I hand twist everything as I create the pattern I want.

[@LeeandMira]

Great tutorial! Thanks!

[@blindabinda1234]

How exactly would you terminate or tie off the mono if you were gonna use it perminently?

[@blindabinda1234]

Have you ever tried using colored mono on the overwrap?

[@docski377]

Heat the momo and press it flat with flat plyers and snip it to a point so you can wrap thread over it is the cleanest .

[@utfadhlan8651]

In addition to what adhesive resin can we use to make it look clear ??

[@docski377]

I use either Flex Coat or Diamond II

[@georgewood4430]

Thanks for Sharing Doc .

[@newellnham5796]

How do you start the wrap with mono when you want it to be permanent? Do you put finish over the mono.

[@docski377]

I heat the end of the mono and flatten it with a pair of smooth jaw pliers. Shape it a little them wrap over it Like it was thread. Some of my friends have had success with super glue.

[@ricker1in1]

Size of mono?

[@docski377]

The size varies with many factors. Size of thread in tiger, numbers of threads in Tiger, Diameter of the rod and more. Basically I Start with 40 or 50 then work out from there. When I find something I like I then put a thread in the grooves of the mono before applying finish.

[@docski377]

Yes after I put a thread in the grooves of the mono.

[@samornzerbe8127]

Nice work

[@marcosrico9558]

Doc thank you for the great video, another lesson in my notebook. Great camera work as well. My question is in reference the thread size for tiger wraps, I have done one with size A and for the first time I think it came out OK. The pattern was not as intense as yours it was more mild. Which size thread do you recommend for more narrow blanks?

[@docski377]

I have good results with all sizes of threads. Seems the smaller and fewer the threads the more precise the pattern. However I love the diffuse look it quite attractive to me also. My go to combination lately is with 3 A threads base and two D thread top but depending of the thread company I may make changes.

[@ronmurphy9819]

Another great video 👌. All those extra things in the background only proves your human. I wouldn't change a thing.

[@buddyparrot1]

So, what difference does it make what color the thread is, if your just going to get rid of it?

[@docski377]

Actually none but the size of the sacrificials can be. With people trying the technique the first few times I recommend they use the same threads just to keep the spacing right.. Good Question.

[@derrickbatts1940]

Do you ever use color preserver on the first wrap.

[@docski377]

Depends of what thread I am working with but yes I do sometimes.

[@SongwritingJoe]

So what is the purpose of wrapping the thread around the mini at the end?

[@docski377]

Not entirely sure what you are asking but let me give it a try. One thing is I have to wrap over the ends of the Mono to hold it in place. Secons if I want to put finish over the mono I have put a thread in the grooves of the mono to keep the effect, if I dont do that and put finish on I lose the entire effect.

[@SongwritingJoe]

@@docski377 that is incredible, I meant to type ‘mono’ rather than mini yes. I’m interested in building custom rods; just finished the c. Boyd pfieffer guide to tackle and rod making book but this is a while ‘nother level. If you had to guess how many rods have you built?

[@docski377]

@@SongwritingJoe Somewhere in the thousands but no way to give an accurate total because I started so young. Since the 70s it has all been top level and a lot of bling.

[@jermos6224]

Those both came out sick man. I really liked the camo type one. What colors were those?

[@docski377]

thank you. I really dont have a camo I like other than the navy camo look

[@peteranddorothybowles5428]

Man its all so different to rod makers in the UK I am going to watch more of your stuff By the way the shark tooth is the nuts All I can manage is a tiger shark in silver Mate Stay healthy matey

[@docski377]

Thanks for the comments. I hope to produce more vids this year when things get back to normal. The shark tooth is from a 3 grander.

[@joeneary1]

Hi Doc, what do you have to watch for when applying finish to mono, if anything?

[@docski377]

First make sure the mono is packed really tight, after you put the thread in the creases of the mono I like to put some CP on it. Try to avoid letting the finish get under the mono.

[@bobbyjoe6250]

Hey Doc, How is a four sided diamond wrap done?

[@docski377]

I would refer you to Bill Vivona for that. He and his group specialized in diamonds/cross wraps.

[@gbcustomrods5429]

Thank You for great info and insight.

[@docski377]

you are welcome. Hope they are of help.

[@59wags]

I've learner alot from your videos Doc, thank you for doing them. I do have a question. Do you burnish the wraps that you do using the twist thread?

[@docski377]

Yes I do, actually I burnish both top and bottom layers which is a bit different than Scott Throop(designer of the technique). When burnishing the top layer I am careful to maintain an equal distance between threads.

[@bobbyjoe6250]

That’s great, I really enjoyed the video. Cool ideas. Question, how well does the mono work under the epoxy? I’ve been thinking about using mono on some of my wraps. Thanks again I always enjoy your videos.

[@docski377]

I have only used it in conjunction with Tiger wraps and only put finish on it when I have layed a thread in the grooves but I seems to hold up well.

[@russellpeters21]

First time rod builder here. So the colors of the top wrap are irrelevant. The bottom wrap colors are what make the pattern?

[@docski377]

Actually the top color influences the over all a lot. I am prone to using a dark color on top because it seems to outline the other colors but experimentation is the key to everything.

[@russellpeters21]

docski377 that’s what I’m not understanding. How do the top colors influence the wrap if you are removing them? Or are you talking about the color that is not being removed?

[@docski377]

@@russellpeters21 Just try this 1. wrap 3 threads from left to right, 2 light ones and one dark one. 2. next put at least 3 coats of finish on. Let last coat dry 3 days. 3. Next wrap the same 3 threads from right to left and remove the two light ones leaving the dark one. See what you get. Remove the dark one and repeat step 3 this time leave a different color threat. That should help you a little.

[@15Galpoly]

Get a safe for those rifles behind you. Great demos.

[@docski377]

You are right about the safe.

[@thisfool89]

Is that mono over the bottom wrap only?

[@docski377]

Yes, the mono acts as both the top layer of thread and the lensing of the finish at the same time.

[@socaltuna2726]

Beautiful work. Should get a patent for your creation

[@docski377]

Not really my creation, Just building and improving the work of others like scott Throop

[@baturchannelbirdfarm9828]

Thanks you very much ,amazing nice vidio

[@nelsonricardodias7682]

good night I still do not understand how it is with this color gradient effect I think it's very beautiful but I did not understand it yet

[@docski377]

Confused, do you mean with Mono or just tigers in general?

[@nelsonricardodias7682]

@@docski377 thanks for the contact I did not understand the process from the beginning to give this effect

[@docski377]

@@nelsonricardodias7682 It is a fairly simple technique of thread art utilizing what is called the Moire Effect. A base layer of 2 or more threads is wrapped on the rod simultaneously. Then several coats of finish are laid on that to form a lens. A second layer of thread is wrapped on the finish with one or more threads removed forming a gap in that layer. The upper layers thread intersects with the base layer forming patterns. These patterns appear to shift when viewed from different angles. With the Monofiliment variation of the technique the mono serves both as the upper layer and lens. Hope this helps.

[@nelsonricardodias7682]

@@docski377 Thank you so much for your attention. I'll try this technique.

[@joerobles7703]

thanks for the video appreciate it

[@docski377]

You are welcome.

[@MUSNifeb021978]

Thank you sir doc I want to learn how to make tiger wrapping

[@ronnyalgorjr8132]

Thank you for teaching us

[@docski377]

You are Welcome. Fun stuff

[@elonmust7470]

It's the voodoo!!!

[@flokijhdfjkvnhsdfjkl]

Awesome Thank u

[@docski377]

you are welcome

[@mrthreewiggle1]

would like to contact you if possible

[@docski377]

What can I do to help you and how do you wnat to contact me?

[@mrthreewiggle1]

@@docski377 i have an obscure project id like to pick your brain about, im computer stupid so how can we get in touch

[@hamiltonbeaniecat2826]

i love what u did, but stop smoking, protect urself from covid by staying home.

[@docski377]

Stopped smoking almost 30 years ago and I have self quarantined since before the guidelines came out..